ramble josh i have a business opportunity for you oh is this another shark tank pitch let’s open a hot dog stand do you mean a sandwich shop oh my gosh this is a hot dog is a sandwich or is it ketchup is a smoothie yeah i put ice in my cereal so what that makes no sense hot dog is a sandwich a hot dog is a sandwich welcome to our podcast a hot dog is a sandwich the show where we break down the world’s biggest food debates i’m your host nicole initially and i’m your host josh sharer and today is part four of our quest to determine once and for all our official podcast stance on if a hot dog is a sandwich or not or if it is we don’t know hold on official podcast stance like we’re we are presupposing that you and i can feasibly come to a conclusion i would like us to eventually we’ve done what 100 some episodes and despite all the debates we’ve had how many times has the other person actually truly swayed the other person you sway me like all the time you’re talking about well i gaslight you people people talk about you you do brain warfare on me and you really make me feel small josh i just did god do it really i’m sorry i don’t mean that you’re uh but yeah today we just had an incredible conversation with morgan walsh she is the first person who actually has a real connection to hot dogs a close connection close connection we all have a connection hot dogs but she has a close connection because she is the business owner of cupid’s hot dogs we found her because she went viral on tick-tock uh she saved her family’s long-standing hot dog business by roller skating super cool out there yeah uh went big on tick tock and that’s how we found her uh it was really incredible conversation and this is the first time that we get to one of the subjects that a lot of people bring up in this debate which is that hot dogs are friggin special totally yeah we get an emotional kind of uh perspective which is really really nice instead of all the strict like rules and confines you know it’s really interesting we get emotional with it yeah so if you were sick of us talking about uh what socrates would have said about hot dogs or talking about supreme court cases which i still find very fascinating uh i mean this is it this is you know food isn’t all just about weird academic theory it’s some freaking things that people eat they put in their mouths to make themselves happy uh and remind them of good times and nourish their bodies uh and so this to me this is a very formative conversation in my life totally uh morgan is super super cool and so enjoy buckle up [Music] morgan walsh hello again hi for the show thank you so much for joining us yeah thanks for having me i love it yeah this is the first guest we’ve had in person which is very special to us um yes yes so nicole and i are on now our roughly fourth hour of debating whether or not a hot dog is a sandwich so do you mind if i give you a little rundown of what we’ve discovered over these four hours yes please do perfect because this is important to get the context of where we’re at now and where we are going with this so first up we talked to a historian ken albault and he said a sandwich is defined as it was defined when the term was originally created in 1762 which is to say it must have two distinct slices of bread however he does admit you get into a sticky situation when trying to describe the food commonly known as a sausage sandwich he straight up says a hot dog is not a sandwich and even though we say sausage sandwich that’s also not a sandwich we just don’t have the words to reflect that so that’s our historian’s perspective and then morgan yeah i hope do you know what you got yourself into on this uh no but i’m excited to find out yeah let’s do this i’m ready then we talked to a philosopher this is a cartesian metaphysicist calvin normore he said since sandwiches are a human-made artifact there is no truth to them a tree for instance long predates us there’s a truth to what a tree is but a sandwich was made by humans so they exist on a continuum of the perfect sandwich say a ham on rye to a vast aberration like an oreo it’s up to humans to decide where we draw the line much like how we define a car right like is a golf cart a car probably not depends on who you ask yeah if you’re all if you’re my nana’s retirement home in florida that’s all they drive why isn’t that a car uh but he also admits that it’s a judgment call so you’re gonna get a lot of weird bias going on and then we talk to a lawyer this is the person who would draw these lines in society on what is or isn’t a sandwich and he said a perfect legal framework for what constitutes a sandwich will never exist it needs cases and precedent to refine a common sense definition so you can come up with a framework but then there’s always going to be some exception to the rule that you’re going to have to litigate and argue over uh he also said though if you classify a sub as a sandwich something say from subway a hero a grinder a hoagie you must classify a hot dog as a sandwich however he admits that seems inherently wrong to force a unique cultural food such as a pita john being a crepe into the framework of a sandwich so here we are morgan we have gone through so much academic hot dog theory but at the end of the damn day i have i have had outlines on my computer talking about supreme court cases that i’ve researched from midnight wow screw the computer screw the outlines right hot dogs aren’t about academic theory it’s not about breaking down every single minutia of it hot dogs are freaking hot dogs they’re about people we want to talk to somebody who a large part of their life is actually selling hot dogs and that’s you yeah i was gonna say you called the right person yeah uh my family’s been in the hot dog business for 76 years so we know a thing or two about hot dogs at this point in the game i’m feeling pretty passionate about a hot dog not being a sandwich okay yeah but i’m also very open to hearing what you guys have to say because you’ve clearly like dove into this a little further than i have my first initial thought is like well if you go to subway a hot dog isn’t on the menu it’s a sandwich shop if you go to a sandwich shop there’s no hot dogs there and if you go to a place where the menu has multiple things there’s a sandwich category and the hot dogs not gonna be on there well i will say sometimes sometimes a hot dog is in the sandwich category and i’m gonna give a very stupid example right this is the first thing that comes to mind when i went to las vegas when i was like 13 with my dad we went to planet hollywood despite the fact that we’re like from southern california and didn’t realize that was for like the folks from kansas to go to you know what i mean but they had a sandwiches category and in the sandwiches category was a loaded pink’s hot dog um that was they were selling for probably 19 dollars how do you remember this you were 13 and you remember being like the hot dog was on the sandwich category yeah yeah i got a weird yeah one thing i know about josh is uh he doesn’t remember like what he had for breakfast but he can remember facts from like 14 years ago that he learned maybe in school by one person don’t know where my car keys are right now if anybody finds my car that would be rad i gotta drive home eventually and so occasionally it will but that also doesn’t feel right it doesn’t right and you remember it because it didn’t feel right whereas if it felt right you would not remember it today that’s very true my other thought was condiments right so if you’re making a sandwich your condiments are going directly onto the bread you’re making a hot dog your condiments are going onto the meat oh shoot do you know what i’m saying yeah that’s a distinguishing characteristic similar to like a taco right because now you’re opening the floodgates a hamburger sandwich is a taco sandwich attack you look pretty similar with like the tacos like you’re putting the meat first yeah then you’re putting condiments well taco is okay so if you can see the shirt that i’m wearing right now it says a hot dog is a sandwich and i have very staunchly been a member of team hot dogs as a sandwich for a long time i mean i tried to go into this with an open mind and i heard everything that the historian had to say but to me it wasn’t all that compelling especially when he said well sausage sandwiches and a sandwich but that said when you start talking about tacos being a sandwich to me i have a visceral reaction that like abso freaking lutely not yeah because a taco is something that i mean it’s thousands upon thousands of years old right i mean corn tortillas date back literally ten thousand years to the aztec empire and so for me like if you’re trying to put that into the category of a sandwich like i’m like offended but how old do you know what i mean how far does the sandwich go by so the definition came along with earl of sandwich correct yeah so that was 1762. however it’s like kind of silly to believe that people weren’t taking meat and putting it in bread like that’s a universal human experience but so it at least dates back let’s say 500 years that’s just uh and then sausage making dates back thousands of years right but the modern hot dog probably not until let’s say early 1800s coming out of either vienna or frankfurt um wherever you you think it came from but now are we distinguishing it all between a sausage and a hot dog i think we have to yeah and it’s interesting because hot dogs are is a sausage sausages are hot dogs certainly yes and i think you would have to differentiate between it’d be tough to find a scientific definition right like you know um but uh i mean a hot dog it’s made with like a wet batter like the forced meat is like very very loose and wet and it’s uh incredibly not even fine ground i mean it’s like fully emulsified and liquefied you know and so i think like that doesn’t date back all that far but then the reason the taco example gets me so riled up is because that’s such an important cultural institution so are hot dogs that’s right yeah hot dogs are pretty important yeah i mean cupid’s cupid’s goes back to 1946 can you just like kind of like tell us about like the origin of cupid’s and how how you ended up there and also how you ended up here because we found you on tick-tock right i don’t know how i end up here you can tell me that part yeah i think it’s like the 118. i actually lived down the street so it was very convenient for me so thank you for that yeah um yeah my grandparents started cupid’s in the valley right here it’s actually the first location it’s not too far from here awesome um 1946 and my grandma said that like no matter whatever happened to the economy people would always buy hot dogs so seven years ago years later we’re still here hopefully we can keep going um my dad took over i think in like the early 90s late 80s his parents passed away really suddenly i never met them and then my dad passed away really suddenly a couple days after my 21st birthday so my sister and i hadn’t like planned on taking over the stores at all we didn’t know anything about the business it was just like your dad’s dead payroll’s due on monday that’s a great memoir title your dad’s dead payroll’s your mother yeah um so now i think we’ve been going i don’t know 12 or 13 years and we haven’t burned the stores down yet right on and i think we knew when we took over that we were selling a lot more than hot dogs yeah the stores have been around for a long time yeah we haven’t really changed much and so people come to us really for like the nostalgia you know legacy exactly people come and they go i came here you know with my dad in the 60s after little league practice we had people who came like after their wedding for like their first meal and i have one customer sue who’s i think in her early 90s now she still comes every week she’s been coming since she was a little girl and like remembers ordering hot dogs from my grandparents youth hot dogs yeah exactly you want to live till you’re 90 come have a cupid so i think we just like even though we hadn’t really planned on taking over the stores we knew we had a bit of a responsibility and that like it meant a lot more to people and it was about more than hot dogs of course yeah why do you think the hot dog has such specific memories for people because i think we probably have our own nostalgic memories of hot dogs right like what do you think is so special about the hot dog that like i don’t i don’t remember at least i don’t want to remember the last time i had a subway sandwich you know what i mean right what is it about hot dogs it oh man that’s a really good question i don’t know maybe it’s just like the simplicity of it and really too i think hot dogs are often associated with like a barbecue and a family get together or baseball games americana everything that like comes along with the hot dog it’s not something that you go to a sandwich shop and buy it’s not true you know what i mean what that says to me is uh it’s it’s ritual and it’s culture as opposed to necessity right certainly there are sandwiches that have that like a thing that’s big for me and nicole and i are both jews and so like getting a deli sandwich with my grandmas she’s like you know telling me old stories like there’s one time i traveled to new york and it was the first time i had proper rye you know she just she’s from south africa she just sounds like that but anyways you know getting that sort of ritual that sort of culture that the hot dog has that more than maybe any other food in america and it’s for sure because it’s associated with like just fun happy times right yeah barbecues baseball games movie theaters and like i mean i can’t camping nicole you i mean you were talking about roasting hot dogs over an open fire yeah i felt so american right i just felt i just felt like i i belonged i don’t know hot dogs great belonging to me i don’t know it’s very very weird it’s like family and comfort and it’s so iconic which is why i firmly believe that a hot dog is not a sandwich at this point of my career i flip-flopped i was like all over the place i was thinking it’s not it is it might be who am i to say but at this point it’s just like it’s an icon the hot dog is an icon and who are we to sandwich it in between yeah don’t lump it in with everything else what are you doing yeah it’s tired of lumping as it has lump and mo problems as a business owner like would you be say personally offended if somebody were to let’s say right into law that well actually i think california the law yeah do you have tax breaks because you you sell hot dogs i wish let’s make that a thing i’m bored with that i would not be offended by that i’ve decided that we are going to have an intense political lobbying career after this so like we’ll figure it out first on the list first on the list no i mean like does does that you know um i don’t want to say in regi you seem like a chill person but is there like something offensive if somebody’s like oh this is just a sandwich like does that denigrate it i no i would not be offended but i mean when you guys first meet us asked for me to be on this podcast and i was talking to one of one of my friends and he was like well what do you think like is a hot dog sandwich and i was like obviously not i was like i don’t even know what the debate is of course it’s not a sandwich like it just kind of blew my mind that that would even be yeah considered and then i was like talking about i was like okay i can see all right i get it there’s meat but between two pieces of bread whatever but there’s just like something special about a hot dog that i think we can’t just like lump it into another category like you were saying you know yeah and i think part of that is the simplicity of it i think that’s part of why cupid’s has survived for so long too is that like we don’t have a million different toppings it’s just like it’s one thing we do it well and there is something to like that nostalgia i remember when covid first started and obviously everything was like crazy this is when people couldn’t go to grocery stores whatever and someone ordered cupid’s on doordash and she called me and she goes i just ordered from you guys on doordash and i went oh crap what did i do today she’s gonna yell at me and she was crying and she said it’s been so stressful and having like just smelling the cupid dog like brought me right back to my childhood like thank you so much and i was like oh my god so man okay there’s you can’t get that feeling with the tuna you can’t but hold on the debate is not all about feelings all right let’s bring ourselves back down to reality here it’s bread and meat you savages all right the words have meaning there are laws okay statement i have a statement what maggie has wanted us to bring up this point this is the beginning of the podcast the beginning of this from from session one the way you orient and eat a hot dog oh yeah some people i don’t know like when you eat it it’s like you eat it straight right you don’t like tilt your head and eat it unless there’s a lot of toppings but like the way you orient it might be dude i definitely tilt my head it might be the way well sorry i’m like trying to like mimic it i’m imagining yeah we just ate hot dogs last week hot dogs um no but like the way you orient it might make people think that’s a sandwich too you know what i’m saying that’s interesting yeah like you know like how guy fieri does the hunch when he eats his sandwiches maybe are you saying the orientation of a hot dog means it’s not a sandwich that’s what’s different but maybe some people who do till their head maybe they do think it’s a sandwich you ever had a lobster roll yeah served a hot dog bun is that a sandwich no it’s a lobster roll what if it’s a lobster okay well this is where we get into there are not small restaurants dedicated to lobster rolls uh yeah no god do you remember was it was it lobster no it’s called knuckle and claw it was chloe dahl and her partner and she was roald dahl’s uh niece she’s defined by her own career and her delicious lobster rolls and all that but i just remember it’s roald dahl’s niece but she made the best lobster on la and i don’t believe they serve it anymore but that’s actually been a new thing that like lobster rolls have sprung up as this like kind of fattish cultural institution i mean there’s there were at least five or six just food trucks devoted lobster rolls true they were hot which one as somebody who loves getting seafood from trucks and i mean that unironically listen a truck is a great way to get fresh food to people you’re driving around it’s not sitting in a walk-in you know what i mean let me go to my moriscos trucks all right they’re fantastic you got to go before noon that’s when it’s the freshest gotta go before noon but anywho i mean that’s that’s another sandwich like at what point because now i’m being swayed i’m being you morgan you have just emotionally swayed me to now thinking i mean honestly the taco comparison that i could see how somebody would uh define it as a sandwich in the state of new york actually does the state of new york their sandwich law which has to do with tax breaks and all that you know what i mean they consider like damn near anything that is wrapped up in some sort of starch and eaten with your hands as a sandwich so tacos burritos lafa wraps pitas hot dogs hamburgers all of that that’s just a sandwich in new york well like if you were talking about the lobster roll right so they’re calling it a lobster roll sure to me like the word roll is another word for like a sandwich right i would say whereas like a hot dog and no matter what the dictionary says what new york law says no one’s ever called it a hot dog sandwich no one’s ever walked into cupid’s and said can i order a hot dog no there are actually historical records of it being called a hot dog let me see um there is an obituary 1843 uh hot dog roll baker ignatz fritchman this is dead serious uh where in his obituary in his obituary they use the term dog sandwich and there’s actually several other records dating in the early eighteen hundreds of it being called a hot dog sandwich wait he said dog soup dog sandwich but because that was a predecessor something else that could mean something else well that was like because the term hot dog i mean the term hot dog is fascinating there’s a historian named barry popek who we haven’t talked to but maybe we should because he he’s got some strong thoughts about this but he has at least five different historical receipts of it being called a hot dog sandwich and so he’s at the forefront of this like of course hot dogs or sandwiches and i actually thought stupid narcissist me thought that everybody was on the same page as me and barry that’s what i thought i was like who were these people like you know hot dogs i was like how could it not be a sandwich like if you put if you put ham and cheese and lettuce into a hot dog bun that’s certainly a sandwich i ate a lot of those it is you know what i mean and like i’ve certainly taken a hot dog and put that into a slice of white bread times are tough growing up the ketchup soaks into white bread a little too much and it gets squishy but that’s still you know a hot dog to me and all of them are just sandwiches but then there’s a hamburger a sandwich to you too of course i think a hamburger is a sandwich i think a hamburger is a sandwich but there’s something no i’m telling you the iconicism of a hot dog allows it to be its own damn thing which i think is similar to what you’re saying about tacos exactly tacos then applies to hot dogs tacos got 9 900 more years wait that’s true but my question is whenever those hot dog sandwich references were made when was that like you said in the eight 1867 yes yes yes no and that’s a good point well now at this point of history at this point in time at this point of society maybe we don’t need the sandwich we don’t need it anymore we’re just we don’t it doesn’t need to be there anymore you’re talking about oh the sandwich doesn’t relates to hot dog or just sandwiches in general no no no hot dog sandwich okay yeah the what is it the statement hot dog sandwich no longer needs to exist yeah because it doesn’t add anything because it’s no longer even a sandwich it is maybe back in the day in 1876 when the references were all you know jumbled they’re trying to explain to people what it was they had to add we don’t need that anymore we have progressed as a society i would like to think yeah that we no longer need to to define it as a sandwich it has its own it has its own thing it’s it’s own creature at this what you’re saying is the term hot dog sandwich historically is what’s called a retronym sure yes so this is great he loves retrograde this is one of my favorites one of my favorite things like the term analog clock they used to just be called clocks right right so it wasn’t until the invention of the digital clock that we had to go oh snap now there needs to be another term for it right uh electro acoustic guitar is another great example like you know until i don’t know who was it uh chuck berry started shredding on the electric guitar i’m sure there were tons before him you know they were all just guitars now you have to differentiate between acoustic so back then they had a need to differentiate between a hot dog just a sausage served because they weren’t always served in roles but they were dating back a couple hundred years they needed a way to differentiate it by going hey it’s a hot dog sandwich yup you know like you’re gonna get this enroll you know what to expect that’s the function of language right to communicate ideas like that but then now like if you’re going somewhere and ordering a hot dog you know what you’re getting right it’s coming in a bun except for when my dad was stationed in thailand i remember him telling me that at the movie theater there they were uh serving it let’s talk about my dad’s fun times in vietnam but uh he went to a movie theater there uh and he ordered a hot dog uh and he was so excited she hadn’t had one in in years and and they just gave him just a cold hot dog straight out the pack just sitting on in like a napkin and like no bun no nothing because they were just like oh we know there’s an american they go to hot dog this pack of food says hot dog there’s a hot dog it is what it is yeah the meat is the the definer the meat tube is what defines the the product yeah it’s not the bread it’s not dependent on the bread i firmly believe that what what hold on hold on okay okay let’s talk about let’s talk let’s talk about let’s talk about the bread let’s talk about the bread i mean if you served a hot dog in a piece of white bread hot dog it’s not a hot dog right it’s a hot dog it is a hot dog i think that would make it a sandwich to meat would be hot sandwich that’s valid if you took sliced bread and like sliced up some hot dogs and put it in there and not in a bun i’d be like oh you made a hot dog sandwich what if you take one piece of white bread and you fold it over it it’s still a hot dog in my opinion if you add another bread sure it’s a hot dog sandwich whatever but if you just take one one and you’re gonna fold it it’s what’s a hot dog every every latch key kid grew up eating it’s very awful if i take an eggo waffle okay and i put a hot dog link in there and i put a little bit of maple syrup that’s good how stoned are you dude that could be good actually that could be it i don’t know so you know that you take the waffle acts as a bun and therefore it is acting as a piece of bread which is a hot dog so using meat tube plus any leavened bread tube is the definitive but to me that defies the idea that a hot 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to people i like to think it’s because people burn their buns on the grill so you no no you’d have even less bugs inside of the bread like the way that like yeah you just get one real hungry man like a double cheeseburger you have a double dog yeah which i think is never a good ratio it’s not always like way too much meat it’s just like not a good way to do it i will say um as i’ve boiled down my taste and they’ve refined as an adult the the ratio of hot dog to bun because like when i was like especially like a beefy teen i was like give me the biggest hot like you mean that foot long quarter pound wow big boy from costco rex it’s a dollar twenty five and now i’m just like too much too much especially if you’re doing chili and cheese i’m gonna wanna be doing chili and cheese which also you don’t put chili and cheese on a sandwich so again the condiments poppy joe being oh that’s true no sloppy joey no also nicole never had a sloppy joe until like a year ago she i had a teacher she thought you know the cans of manwich yeah yeah in the store nicole thought that the meat came in the can and we needed to like make we need to like make a sloppy joe for the show and i’m like yo where’s the ground beef and she’s like it’s on the there’s a picture of ground beef on the can i’m like no the can is just the sugar sauce i’m sorry i’m learning every day okay okay so the hot dog iconic system i i buy this as an argument that a hot dog has superseded the need to be classified as a sandwich oh do you buy that i do buy that wow i will say now we need to get to the nitty gritty and start drawing lines of when that happens right a lobster roll for instance when you’re saying there aren’t there aren’t restaurants dedicated lobster rolls maybe 10 years ago they weren’t and now there are i mean i think for me the defining factor is if i said hey guys i’m gonna go make us some sandwiches what kind do you want nobody in this room is gonna say oh hot dog you’re gonna say turkey you’re gonna say roast beef you’re gonna say tuna nobody’s answering hot dogs but i mean that right there what the people are using to me is what really defines is a hot dog a sandwich that’s fair i think that’s fair i mean we we talked to the philosopher about this and he had a very he had the most round about philosopher answer which i absolutely love because that’s their business he actually brought up the uh you know that’s how they get paid they speak in riddles um like like modern day leprechauns and i really love it also i don’t mean to denigrate calvin he is like an especially steam caller he was like any of him uh he was saying if he pulled up to a gas station and uh he asked his friend hey can you grab me a sandwich and they brought him a hot dog he said that he would not have made that decision himself but he would also have no right to complain because he didn’t specify right and i think that’s inter if you said if we’re at your home you’re like hey i’m gonna make you some sandwiches and you brought out a hot dog i would be very surprised if you brought out a full ass reuben sandwich i would also be surprised if you brought out a banana mayonnaise and peanut butter sandwich like they eat themselves all the police i’d be surprised you know there’s a lot of surprising things that i think still fall under sandwiches even though they don’t satisfy the archetype right well no right to complain people bring you food you have no right to come i know that’s my whole thing i’m like whatever you’re giving me you’re going to the gas station yourself yeah and so i don’t i don’t know that that is necessarily the barometer right mm-hmm like i’m just not sure because there’s a lot of surprising sandwiches out there if you had lobster rolls that would be equally surprising but but i would be surprised like if i walked into subway and i saw a hot dog on the menu that would surprise me sure i mean i would be like oh of course hot dog is a sandwich of course it’s on the menu here but so that’s surprise for us would they just put the hot dog inside a six inch italian herbs and cheese and call it a day like that’s just rude like what’s the point i mean okay so talking about the hot dogs cultural relevance and there’s a sticky subject in this whole debate where it’s that we’re in america we grow up in america we can only really analyze this from an american lens that’s right and a great example is have you all ever seen a fried chicken sandwich in say like uh britain and what they call it you mean the naked one no i’m talking like a fried chick like a you would go to say mcdonald’s popeyes howl and raise and get a fried chicken sandwich it comes on effectively a hamburger bun uh if you were to get that in britain they call that a chicken burger yes and so for them everything on a round bun like that is a burger no matter what is in it whereas we would call a chicken burger right a ground chicken patty that you know someone just really trying to be healthy uh is eaten and then you’re like this is chicken just dude like a veggie burger at that point um and so like there are different cultural lenses that you got to sort of view it through and so think about hot dogs right you go to uh i mean think about a sonora dog right like uh if you’re a really good sonora dog it’s on a large bolio really similar to a french roll and there are beans on the bottom of it it’s probably bacon wrapped it’s got the chiles toriados on it you know and and eight different sauces if you wanted avocado it is delicious and so yeah look at snore dog and so i mean is that you know a hot dog we have to view things somewhat outside of the american context as well i think the bread is it’s like okay the the dog itself is what makes it a hot dog but i think the bread is what makes it a sandwich or not hold on i like that framework i actually really like that framework yeah especially if you’re arguing that the differentiating factors the fact that a hot dog is a special case of sandwich that is superseded right it’s sandwich hood i think then you need to have rules not even rules i think we need to go soviet with it the soviets were free i don’t want to yes okay so this so let’s talk about soviet russians on this journey thank you so much so they were obsessed with like codifying everything and writing laws about what foods had to uh have certain characteristics okay and so if you were making ice cream in the soviet union it had to have at least like 30 milk fat by volume and no more than 20 percent sugar and could only be churned for this long so there’s not too much air into it and people still say that the soviet union had the best ice cream in the world were there other problems certainly but their ice cream apparently was rather nice in ditto we’ll have good ice cream too listen communism of all of its faults apparently they’re nice with the dairy yeah with the dairy but i’m saying like you know i think if you are arguing that something uh should have its own status then we need rules and i think to me talking about iconicism that bun that cartoonish hot dog bun that to me is key to it being not a sandwich yeah because if you have just the dog right so you say okay well this is a sausage yeah you put it in a sliced bun we now have a hot dog you put it on sliced white bread you have a sausage sandwich i agree with that i agree with that but then we’re talking about an actual sausage sandwich like you go to sports bar you get a sausage sandwich it’s a bratwurst in a roll i think that the sausage is finer though like at the same time but i think it’s a combination of but is the sausage technically only has to have a natural casing oh we’ve had we’ve had this debate at all you don’t open up a can of worms here i don’t i don’t we use a natural casing we use a natural casing so that’s what makes like is it lamb casing by the way yes then i think i think we just need to start writing the new rules of hot dog hood it’s gotta have a natural lamb casing well no but most hot dogs aren’t yeah yeah they’re synthetic fake go back to the ways our grandfather did it like a cupid dog has like a snap that’s why people really like it because of the natural casing but most hot dogs oh is that is that what makes the snap is just a natural natural casing oh interesting yeah did you think it was like the actual force me well no i just i just thought it was like i didn’t realize that any hot dog that doesn’t have a snap which are a lot of hot dogs especially we used to buy like the bar s brand oh which i don’t even know if people know that brand no not here not in this part of town it was like 89 cents for a pack of 10 and they just it could have been just like erasers that had been ground up with salt and water and put it and there was no snap it was a little bit of a sort of sponge to it you can like suck the juice out if you want because it was mostly water and fat um and so yeah that doesn’t have that but you know what i mean about like having to sort of write rules now of what makes a hot dog if we’re going with the argument that it is a protected iconic status like a national park like yosemite there’s so many rules what dogs are you yosemite hot dogs are you seventeen yeah yosemite no they are i agree with that it should be a protected institution yeah okay fine do we need to write the rules like now i mean if we want to yeah okay maggie can you open up a pages document please uh yeah where’s the court stenographer let’s get this in writing yeah well the good news is we know a lawyer we just talked to one yeah so we can get this like uh taken care of what’s hilarious is he’s just like a mergers and acquisitions lawyer now he took time out of his day at his big mergers and acquisitions firm probably the best part of his day i’m sure yeah it’s the most fun you’re ever gonna okay let’s define it people hot dog it must be a uh liquid batter force meat okay okay we’re not making this no more okay listen this is just for those for the lawyers to decipher this ain’t like an external marketing document like if you want to put liquid batter force meat on your menu not posting that on our instagram for sure liquid batter forced meat no more than one inch and no more than three quarters inches in diameter what i think once you get too big it’s no longer do not put those kinds of parameters on it josh why if we’re if i think there need to be rules too have you seen one that’s bigger i mean it’s exciting you are putting the hot dog in a corner nobody puts hot dog in a corner a big hot dog nicole when are you going to get a hot dog bigger than that what about length though what if you made your own i think hot dogs would be as long you made your own hot dog what what if you made your own hot dog what you’re talking about like a giant hobby yeah yeah what if that were to happen josh i mean you could do that diameter is more than 1.5 do you think that would still break a record you could break a record let’s see if you can make the longest hot dog ever nicole you down we we have to do we have broken a guinness record in here before yeah josh ate a bunch of baby food one time yeah it’s true i i was not not to brag you know but i did hold the world record for most baby food eating in one minute yeah that’s kind of impressive only about six months yeah no not just some guy andre ortol from stuttgart i forgot your friend yeah we were talking smack on instagram um but no that’s what i’m saying would a gigantic hot dog say uh what’s the world’s biggest hot dog 70 pounds maybe 70 pounds is that even a hot dog at that point yeah but like what else would it be you don’t need it if you put your kind of parameters on it then it’s not i’m saying we need to talk about size and length and girth and whatever let’s not talk about those no size parameters no strictly a ratio parameter there must be a ratio parameter what about meat content like 50 well no but like beef pork can you have like a fish hot dog oh if you do could that be a thing that sounds great though i’m in i mean i’ve had a lobster corn dog before i don’t think the meat no land animal we can’t have a fish hot dog i’m throwing the line there a turkey dog listen as jews we grew up eating turkey everything oh my god so much turkey bacon so much turkey pastry dog is a thing i’m on board turkey yeah land animal must be land animal must be a land animal yeah yeah okay i think gator is the farthest we go okay fine okay snake maybe not with legs laying animal with legs no no what are they called skinks is a gator a land animal though oh they’re amphibians they’re a little bit of both of you this is so funny strictly land animal you know what i mean yeah yes okay no more gator no more gators no gators [Music] there are few better foods to eat during the summer than a nice juicy grilled piece of chicken or steak or salmon that’s right whether you have a go-to favorite or you like switching up what you’re 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definition of a hot dog i think it has to be like the dog must be able to be fully enclosed by the bun is that fair or not right are there hot dogs where like if you really pinched if you really pinched purely pinched the bun because i don’t want to live in a world where a hot dog can just be this giant bologna log sitting on a little bitty bun well is this just our personal preference here or are we just like defining what well because i think part of part of what makes a hot dog and what makes anything including a sandwich is its use right like how is this actually used you know a sandwich like if you can’t so nicole for instance got a uh the wettest sandwich i have ever seen he will open for because that was hilarious for the rest of my life i’ve ever seen i’m so i’m never going to any sort of deli with you ever the most old school advertising and she got like a hot beef sandwich and it was a slice of white bread just covered in the thickest gloopiest brownest gravy with little chips of beef on it uh a sandwich i’m just gonna order something that’s right and one was it delicious hell yeah dude you get that powdered beef gravy in there that is scientifically designed to make you love it so i’m in i think it must be able to be eaten with your hands reasonably yes yes reasonably reasonably can be eaten with hands uh-huh i think too the bun has to it can’t be split all the way through no it has to be one piece yeah one contiguous piece of bread yeah with an intact once the hinge breaks you have to throw it away if the hinge breaks accidentally not intentionally an accidental tear it is still classified as a hot dog because it was not in your hands it was it was a mistake it was altered afterwards it was all afterwards at cupid’s by the way we steamed them that’s the way that more people got to know about steaming i hate whenever the buns get like crunchy in the toaster oh well that’s the nice we have like the snappy dog with the soft steam fun so good the key it’s incredible it’s like a dumpling at that point that’s why i love hot dogs like just the steaminess mm-hmm throw it away because it’s no longer a hot dog it’s useless if it breaks also for people at home yeah if your buns are breaking when you open them straight out the pack because that to me is the worst thing that happens yeah you can steam them easily by just wrapping it in a wet paper towel microwaving for like nine seconds it’s not gonna be the best steam you ever got on a bun uh but it’ll prevent your hand from breaking it will make a better hot dog than toasting it i fully believe that what are the rules we got you talked about condiments earlier i mean i think condiments need to go on to the dog we do occasionally have like one person who comes in the store who’s like i want the mustard on the bun really we have one guy that’s the mustard on the bun his like daughter comes in orders and she says and i need three pieces of onion we have chopped down and they’re a little tangy because there has to be three on top of the chili or he won’t eat it well ocd yeah that’s just fine we’ll do it very very empathetic of the business owners it’s so nice for you to accommodate that’s right but so most people you know i feel like the condiments need to go directly onto directly on the bun you got that directly on the default case is hot dogs go directly no directly on the dog not on the bus well i have a special gets on the bun no big deal i call it josh’s special tornado topping method and so what i do is i put the toppings on to do this all the time you put the toppings on the dog and then you uh you grab the the dog and you rotate it spin it okay it’s all around okay what’s nicole laughing about this feels messy the thought of you pinching yeah i think annelise watched me do this like four days ago like a like a like yeah but then but then the condiments but then the condiments kind of merge all together it depends how much chaos you should stop doing that yeah i feel that you’re the expert i’m gonna stop i hereby renounce yeah uh can we put an addendum maggie cleo josh’s special tomato topping method uh is not recognized at a hotdog castle [Laughter] thank you so much all right so we got that what else do we got here i mean is this a good framework for what i think this looks fine right i mean this is this is literally like a yosemite no no no if if this holds up and i’m not saying that it’s not a sandwich i will say this is really convincing and i don’t know if i can argue myself out of this if i believe that we’re right is what you’re saying yeah that’s what i’m getting at a little bit well i don’t know i don’t know i’m not willing i’m not willing my hands are behind my back i will not if i the minute i high-five somebody then the argument is officially over and i refuse to concede because i do believe i do believe there are objective truths and categories in this world right sure and i think um i’m trying to think of it like yeah i don’t think penguins are birds you know i don’t think tomatoes are fruit i don’t think tomatoes are fruit right okay that’s the thing a botanist would say a tomato is a fruit but i think when we say fruit we’re talking about the fruit vegetable dichotomy and that is a very important distinction in my life right in the sense that you wouldn’t make a fruit salad with tomatoes in it tomatoes are a vegetable they act as a vegetable and that is to say the reason we have categories is they act as a vegetable as opposed to acting as a fruit no matter what a botanist says so you know you got a historian in here talking about originalism and it has to be two slices of bread because whatever i’m like listen a hot dog looks really close to a sub sandwich it’s got the same relationships in theory i mean i’ve gone to europe and i’ve gotten a sub sandwich that has you know a very finely ground sausage processed sausage in it okay that looks very close to a friggin hot dog you know and that’s a sandwich you know so like i still think that there are categories would you call that a hot dog like when you were there you’re like oh i’m getting a hot dog right now no i’m getting this sausage sandwich it was something different you wouldn’t call it a hot dog i keep coming back to just like how were people using the word yeah again if i’m like yo i’m gonna go make some sandwiches what do you want humans man no you’re not answering hot dog nobody’s answering nobody so like how do you come back from that i mean you don’t i think you know i think once right like what separates a national park from just a parcel of nice land you know what i mean it’s just it’s a champion that’s what it is it’s a champion it’s somebody it’s somebody to champion that land teddy freaking rough rider roosevelt going out there and being like this is a nicer waterfall than that piece of crap we’re gonna protect this you know it’s a bit of an arbitrary line right but it was drawn i am now morgan your story of cupid’s hot dogs has now riled me up yeah i want to champion a hot dog that’s not a sandwich it’s his own thing it deserves the hot dog legitimately deserves like special protections under the law yeah i think i think hot dogs we’re going to nationalize hot dogs it’s going to become a public utility all hot dogs will be free it’ll be like water okay let’s not do that no you’ll be picking up i’m going to need oh god this will be so corrupt you’re going to get so many kickbacks oh no it’s going to be great it’s going to be great but no i mean that’s that’s where i’m at right now and i i never expected myself to to to get to this point i didn’t think i’d give in to emotional arguments that’s because this debate is not just based on facts jobs right it’s based on emotion it’s based on experience it’s based on people that sell hot dogs for a living yeah there’s so many different factors that go into making this decision and i think we’re getting really really close which is what’s so special about food right yeah it’s an emotional thing that’s right dang well nicole shoot we got we got one more one more episode yes we did after this and are we now solidly both on the camp of a hot dog not being a sandwich time for you to change that shirt young man i don’t know i’m so sweaty i don’t think i get really sweaty when i not not when we normally record podcasts just when we’re talking about hot dogs being sandwiches because it’s a big deal it’s a big deal yeah it’s something like you say to me not to you you’re like i’m just [Laughter] all right so so in summation let’s go over our hot dog laws a hot dog must satisfy all these requirements for me to agree that it is not a sandwich it must be made of liquid batter force meat correct there are no size parameters but there’s a ratio parameter it must be reasonably eaten with hands however there’s no rule on how big your hands are so that’s a bit of a meaningless distinction must be a land animal with legs no gators exist in the water as well uh i i don’t think it’ll be very good it’s kind of got a weird fishiness to it yeah uh one contiguous piece of bread the hinge must be there if the hinge breaks you must legally now throw if it accidentally breaks it is not your duty to change out the bread it was an accident but if you purposely do it you will be fine you can’t intentionally make it that way yeah no special duty exists to either throw away the hot dog or eat it yeah it’s but it’s like a parking ticket you don’t actually have to pay it you have to pay parking tickets what do you mean do you have a boot on your car or something is that the yellow thing i thought i just ran it over my car stopped working all right condiments must go directly onto the dog there are rules folks if someone gets on the bun it’s no big deal josh’s special tornado hot dog topping method is not recognized by the council this seems very clear to me we’ll have alexander park look it over our lawyer uh shout out to shout out to his mergers and acquisitions firm for officially taking on this case uh being the official law firm of hot dogs uh thank you so much for ballard spar um legally we could say that we don’t i feel like you can only jokes much of law firm and delivery yeah yeah be careful um all right so that settles it for me at least a hot dog is not a sandwich according to this very simple easy to understand framework there you go um but we do have we do have one more debate nicole and that’s with the people so morgan we are literally we’re going out there because we’ve heard experts your testimony was very brave thank you so much thank you any time um and genuinely it moving and uh like actually i mean sweet me um but we now need to go out and hear the listeners so we’re just gonna set up a card table location tbd follow us on instagram to find it uh and we’re just gonna debate people and i i didn’t expect to go into it with both of us believing a hot dog is not a sandwich but can you like arm us with any more ammunition for this i mean do you have any like closing words oh man you know what just like think with your heart yeah do what your heart tells you do what your heart tells you food isn’t facts foodism food isn’t facts what is emotion food is love cheese and rice all right well morgan thank you so much for joining us if you want to plug anything uh tell people about can you just talk about the the car hop service yeah cupid’s you know to get us through kovid we repaved our parking lot and started doing carhop services cool and i remember i kept telling my sister because i got really into skate and i was like if we could do skating stuff like this is the kind of stuff that goes viral and weekend one we went viral on tick tock and it just like blew up so we actually just took a hiatus from carhop because it’s got a little hot out and we’re in the valley it’s like 100 degrees but if you follow us on instagram cupid’s underscore hot dogs we do car shows we do skating events we’re actually doing a big skate event at the receda park here in the valley um july 9th and 10th so yeah follow us on instagram we got lots of cool stuff always going on oh yeah check out cuba’s hot dogs and incredible hot dogs by the way no one’s bringing you a turkey sandwich on roller skates that just don’t happen that’s right thanks again morgan thank you so much for having me it was great [Music] [Laughter] 76 years yeah cupid’s hot dog has been around for 76 freaking years all in the family yeah ellie institution man ellie institution her her dad died and suddenly she and her sister were faced with a decision do we keep the family legacy do we keep going on good for with our own lives yeah the start the 90 year old woman that’s sweet oh my god has it brought her back to her childhood the relationship with the customers the guy who wants three pieces of onion you know honestly you ever go to a subway and try and make like any sort of request and it’s like and it’s like you hurt their dog or something yeah they’re just not having especially something close does mean subway employees so that’s fine you know not everybody has to be nice to be good at their job but they’re also not good at their job uh but anyways i mean those connections right that’s like who the hell am i to go up to a person like morgan walsh and say no no that’s 76 years of business nah they’re just sandwiches yeah you are not the authority and neither am i except when uh we agree that’s i i think that was genuine that was genuinely powerful to me that’s great i’m glad you feel some type of way this is awesome you’re changing everything you once knew in it i think it if anything i feel released good i love that okay so i i was um and still kind of am that like a whole kid who like argues everything but i’m thinking when i was like 15 you know and like growing up jewish this is where this is going right now so bear with it growing up jewish in like a very evangelical christian area and i was always had this big chip on my shoulder where somebody would be talking about god and religion and i i you know had read that stupid richard dawkins book and i’d be like well did you know the historical records and that is a flying spaghetti monster if you would believe and then like suddenly i had this flip switch where i was just like stop being a douche yeah stop being a douche bag just like add anything to your life it subtracts through your it subtracts from your life me holding on to this idol that no a sandwich is leavened bread with filling and a hot dog is that me being able to release that and just say that this is a special food that has a lot of meaning to a lot of people and i already think that way about stuff like tacos you know or a lot of the other cases that we talked about with with alexander that’s right lean in that’s right the hot dog is special it sure is food is not about academic theory you don’t need to classify it it’s not an animal no exactly yeah and whatever whatever states want to do with their laws because like there are reasons to classify things i suppose with tariffs and blah blah blah whatever they do doesn’t freaking matter to me it doesn’t matter you know nope if i’m paying it you know uh 279 or 314 for that hot dog i i don’t even know prices just change all the time and all i know is i want that tube of meat that reminds me of the times of say leaving the rose bowl right and going getting an la street dog or they’re cooking up on the sheet pans it reminds me that in a way that has a distinct connection separate from what a sandwich has this is an emotional debate by definition of course it is i’ve been saying that since day one man is there anything that can slay you though at this point i don’t know the people might have some really really strong feelings and those feelings might counter what i’ve been saying this whole time i don’t know yeah i’m curious to find out how people think because you and i have like locked ourselves right now into this very sort of linear debate right yeah like we’ve gotten like very distinct perspectives from the historian the philosopher the lawyer and the business person to me that’s all followed the same path but i think we’re getting a lot of curveballs from the people on things that we didn’t expect so looking forward to it yeah i am i am not holding on to my beliefs very tightly right now i understand that they may change but i will tell you there’s no way i can leave that conversation with morgan and say that a hot dog is a sandwich based on something that i consider objective truth which as we learn from calvin don’t freaking exist when it comes to human-made artifacts like that there is no objective truth that’s right god dang well i swear during this one more than maybe any any other one good for you and this is the first time we have somebody in person so this is the first time a guest could smell me did you notice anything did i smell bad no josh you were fine okay why are you so nervous i don’t know dude it just happened son it’s okay it wouldn’t be an episode of a hot dog it’s a sandwich without opinions are like casserole [Music] first up we got retin amc i’m sad to admit that putting mayo on a hot dog is simply the best way to eat it no matter what other toppings are that little extra bit of fat is just perfect on there hmm i don’t love it just mayo on its own are they talking about other putting other toppings on it too no they’re saying no matter what the other toppings are no matter what the other thing so i think you’re saying that like adding mayonnaise to anything also gets you there yeah it helps i mean if it was just solo mayo i can’t do it but like may if it was just mayo and onions i also couldn’t do it i i but but but if you end up with like chopped cabbage potato sticks corn and mayonnaise on there that sounds good then that’s good yeah i think mayo because hot dogs if you’re eating a proper hot dog it should already be incredibly fatty right you don’t need like the fat is the hot dog that’s why mustard goes so well on it that’s why even to me ketchup goes so well on it because those are both very acidic condiments totally yeah you know onions are good because onions cut through fat the pickles cut through yeah relish i’m sorry yeah sweetness in the sourness yeah and so no i think mayonnaise is an aberration but but but on the right hot dog boy do i love mayonnaise on a little squiggle turns it into a salad i like that banshee ranch says i genuinely don’t understand the hate for ketchup on a hot dog why do people get mad about it so many people say that only kids do that and apparently the real rite of passage to adulthood is mustard weird why well i agree i used to hate mustard and then about uh three years ago my taste buds changed because taste buds do change every seven years i think they have every seven years yeah that’s the thing like your taste buds like regenerate or something uh i think i read that on reddit so it must be real oh no but yeah so um i hated mustard but then i was like let me try and then i really really liked it so it is a rite of passage to like unique weird foods that you didn’t like when you were a kid but that being said ketchup on a hot dog is delicious and i don’t understand why people think that’s childish i don’t get that yeah no i don’t either and we’ve talked about how delicious and complex i think ketchup is but i think this opinion gets to something really unique that ties into exactly what we talked about where has anybody ever made these claims about like a condiment on a sandwich right nobody cares about condiments on sandwiches no this is also why hot dogs are so unique yeah this is why they deserve autonomy because people are so passionate about it people don’t care what you put on your ham on cheese whatever what do they call it ham cheese sandwich what do they call it you know people care so much about him cheese and this economy you know what i mean like people don’t care what you put on your ham and cheese your bologna sandwiches your turkey like people don’t care about that but for some reason hot dogs are so much freaking like emotional and like physical like people just care so much like it’s an identity food it’s the same with pizza right it’s something where you have regional identity locked up in this you have nostalgia and all this so there’s a lot of like gatekeeping and a lot of people see that as bad but to me that’s also just part of being passionate about it totally and the old me before this episode would have said like it doesn’t matter what you feel there’s still objectivity to it but now i’m just like listen you have you have your fiery hot dog opinions you get out there you throw stones because you love it so much everyone in life just wants to feel something nicole josh sounded like matthew mcconaughey in the beginning did you guys catch that time is a flat circle everything you’ve ever done he’s gonna do again all right at uh okay this one i’m about to make some enemies at whiskey woe my boyfriend will only eat a hot dog smothered in ranch no ketchup never mustard not even chili just ranch ew i want to make a nike parody shirt this is just ranch it i have a feeling eric andre already did that fine sorry i’m gonna host a podcast with eric andre no what are you talking about don’t do that you want me to do it or you do it what hospitality has air conditioning yeah you do it okay cool i have like a little crush on him so that’d be nice um a ranch on a hot dog there’s only one way in which this works hear me out coleslaw what oh coleslaw dogs are uh north carolinian thing i’ve had slaw dogs before at pinks real good yeah i like [ __ ] they’re not my go-to but like slaw and hot barbecue sauce on a dog there’s a thing okay west virginia slawdog is a thing i think north carolina no north carolina i think it’s a burger they put salon um there’s something in cleveland ohio that it’s called like a polish boy i think polish boy polish boy where it’s a kielbasa so it’s not a hot dog but it’s a sausage sandwich that has i believe coleslaw and um maybe swiss cheese and french fries on it yeah and that’s a treat real tough to eat but if you just are just slopping it in your face holy crap the polish boy yeah yeah buddy that’s what i’m talking like a crime scene uh ranch on a hot dog to me is one of the few situations in which i will say not an appropriate case for ranch if you were to panko crust and deep fry that hot dog and then i think you can ranch it and i’ve had a panko crusted deep-fried hot dog huh uh i was like a katsu dog nice had a oh you need a chicken fried hot dog chicken fried hot dog yes yeah that’s good stuff you know what the only way i could eat ranch is if it was cut up if the hot dog was cut up and i dipped it in ranch that’s the only way to make it had something we didn’t talk about at all which probably there’s probably no reason to talk about it you ever have currywurst yeah yeah it’s a weird food it’s not it but weird yeah there’s nothing related to autism yeah yeah but it’s a very it’s a very fine uh sausage right like it’s yeah kind of a wiener yeah it’s a wiener and then it’s just like a hot ketchup and a little bit of curry powder and it’s it’s kind of like toothpicks yeah yeah i don’t even think it’s french fries oh i always get it with this well i’d get with a side of fries certainly certainly but it’s like not part of the dish that’s this is a nice little size currywurst is one of those things that i’m like i i don’t love it i’d just rather have a good sausage like i respect the fact that it exists but it’s one of those things like poutine where i’m just like the combination doesn’t entirely josh i’m going to be honest with you every picture of creators has french fries but look at that one no there’s one and that’s the worst looking one on google images and it doesn’t have fries all right one more one more one okay um let’s see jimmy genome says it’s offensive that not every hot dog is bun length who failed to appropriately collaborate on the size of hot dogs and the buns to ensure that they were all the same i think we need to go back and rewrite our hot dog laws because i tried jimmy genome i tried in our hot dog laws to write this into the into the law i didn’t let you it would have been punishable by death i would have let you i wouldn’t lie if you did not have some appropriate ratio because i agree it’s like when people make burgers that are you know they got they’re like eight inches tall and one inch wide and it’s on a full-length bun you’re like i don’t want to freaking eat this you gotta smash it down you gotta smash it down but no i agree uh getting getting an inappropriately ratio hot dog not great i don’t care that much i’ll just eat the tips yeah and chew it off like a cigar yeah no i won’t spit it out finish it wasteful and then just walk around with a hot dog you ever see people in like a restaurant where they got a cigar in their mouth they’re not smoking it they just got it there uh-huh i mean i know i haven’t i’m not from like the 20s truck dude i saw us like a modern man no you did it i swear to god i swear to god walking around with a cigar in a red cigarettes i mean restaurants are all not smoking no but he wasn’t smoking it it was just an unlit cigar oh it was unlit yeah it was a prop i want to do that with a hot dog just walk around the hot dog in my mouth just so i can look important you won’t look important what do you mean nicole what this is a man who means business you will not look important you will look troubled and they will call you sir are you okay listen here see don’t think your frankfurter’s just got a nickel uh man hey nicole cool shirt you got cool shirt i got too huh i think people people can buy them uh check out our hot dogs as a sandwich and our hot dog is not a sandwich t-shirt and you can buy them at mythical.com right now vote your values we will be 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