AHDIAS 112: We FINALLY Decide If A Hot Dog Is A Sandwich: LIVE From Smorgasburg LA (Part 5)

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live from smorgasburg not anymore we’re in the studio right now we are but last week we spoke to business owner morgan walsh about whether or not a hot dog is a sandwich and we said that we were going to bring the debate to the streets that’s right to try and get as many perspectives as possible nicole yeah we got a lot of perspectives we had so many differing opinions people came with notepads people came with pieces of paper just ready to fire off information and i was i was pleasantly surprised i was dressed i was really surprised too uh save for the several people who are like i don’t know if you’ve ever heard this one but a hot dog is a taco like listen to the old episodes of the party talk about that the cube rule does not exist but no we’ve been locked in her own little echo chamber with all these supposed experts so we wanted to get as many rapid fire opinions what do you mean quote-unquote you doubt do you think dr normore forged his doctorate nicole no no i just like to use quote-unquote when i can doesn’t need to be right i just like to use it showing the seeds of discord and doubt no but we wanted to get as many rapid fire opinions and i had my mind change well i’ve changed my mind several times you changed your shirt three times i believe i changed my shirt last week with morgan because i was so wrapped up in the emotions of all of it right and nicole you were very convincing talking about the iconic status of a hot dog and how we need to protect it we need to protect its sanctity as not a sandwich because it’s such an american institution it needs to be like yosemite we need to pretend somebody throws a natty light cannon in the river near 70 nicole you know what we do to them we find them 75 dollars it’s probably more it’s probably more than that okay it should be a substantial fine i got i got fined when i was like 18 for hiking off trail in laguna b anyways who it is you need i’m a criminal uh you need to have you need to have some sort of protections for the things in cultures that you hold very dear however however i got wrapped up in the emotions and i lost sight of the fact that there is universal truth in this world because i was thinking a lot about dr calvin normore this is going back to that thinking about the sandwich spectrum sure okay and you need to draw a line in the sand as to where a sandwich exists based on different properties and if you go from say a ham sandwich on rye to an oreo cookie to me a hot dog meat with leavened bread is so far towards the left it’s so far towards the archetype of what we agree that a sandwich is here in america because again we have to analyze it through that yes it’s only fair that i believe that a hot dog is a sandwich so that is the point that i came into smorgasburg starting with but then like you said i changed my shirt several times so yeah who knows but you ready to get into it i was born ready [Music] jump in jump in jump in okay so tell us your name hi hi i’m shali hi charlie so tell us how you feel do you think a hot dog is a sandwich or not um i tried to think of it and my mind goes blank whenever i do but if you had to explain it to an alien i think i would start off by using a sandwich really so you’re using the alien method to to describe a sandwich that is actually like a very good way to think about it and something that i never thought about so if you were to describe a hot dog to an alien you would describe it as a sandwich right wow is that compelling to you nicole yeah because i freaking love aliens man i never even thought about it that way but does that change your mind right now oh my gosh does that change your mind that a hot dog is or is not a sandwich it doesn’t change it but if i was an alien i might i think because aliens don’t have any like societal norms they’re just here so maybe maybe society’s wrong maybe i’m wrong well we don’t view food inside of a vacuum right that’s the thing no no food is not alien food is culture it’s connection it’s things that have been around for hundreds of years you know but that said conventions of language exist for a reason and the fact that you would explain that to an alien as a sandwich that to me is compelling that a hot dog is a sandwich nicole you are dead wrong i don’t think i’m dead wrong i think i might be swayed a little bit towards the sandwich side because i mean you made it very compelling the alien argument is a very compelling art the alien argument is a compelling argument yeah but i’m not swaying one way or the other i’m saying no all right next up who we got wow we got a palm heel strike shirt ladies and germs nice to meet you what’s your name hi i’m joe joe thank you for coming here joe joe i’m josh i’m sorry i’m eating a hot dog right now it’s fine if i got here sooner i would be too yeah yeah well tell us how you feel do you think a hot dog could just say you’re not 100 a hot dog is a sandwich a man of reason 100 because like y’all have covered in your podcast the national food the sandwich council states that meat on bread sandwich okay meatloaf but what about veggie sandwiches what about sandwiches off sprouts and carrots and that’s in there caramelized are just those those are accoutrements to the sandwich you’re saying that sandwiches without meat do not exist that’s what that’s what you’re trying to say interesting the vegan community because if it does not have meat and cheese it’s just sad really i disagree bro we got a veg there’s a vegan uh deli over here and i i i respect my vegan homies out there yeah also who’s funding the national sandwich council is it the hot dog society do you know i mean who’s who’s backing them thank you for the ice cream we’re also eating salt and straw ice cream shout out wow okay so that’s so interesting so you think vegetarians don’t deserve to call whatever they eat between bread and sandwich well that sounds shady so let me retrace my steps a little bit so veggies yeah they can be sandwiches right but per the definition it says meat between bread it’s an easy way to define it it is a hot dog is first and foremost a meatloaf if life was easy then we would just be defining anything that life is not why can’t we have things simple life is difficult i hereby denounce the national sandwich council their their opinions do not reflect that on my own nor do they objectively reflect the thought of this podcast we are anti-national sandwich council we are pro-associated sandwiches of america i respect the opinion though sir i do respect your opinion although it’s wrong is this your cute face i know you’re on my side and i’m still arguing with you family hi fam hi come here come here come here jonathan do you think a hot dog is a sandwich no what is a hot so what is it [Music] because so you have bread here and then [Music] um toppings here and then another step and then another piece of bread it’s just like so you think a hot dog is iconic is what you’re trying to say yeah jonathan i think you would you would get along great with our historian ken albala because he said the same thing that you did two pieces of bread with something in between them that’s a sandwich but not a hot dog jonathan i would i disagree with your assertion but i respect you me too and i like you thank you for coming on our podcast thank you for coming out nice to meet you you guys have a very beautiful appreciation guys thank you thank you all right hello let other people sit down who’s that step up and challenge us oh wow come through yeah how did you like the hot dogs i like the cold’s better fair enough fair enough more importantly it’s a hot dog a sandwich right so you think it’s very simple you said that very self-assuredly but why do you feel that way what makes you feel that a hot dog is the same exactly that i feel that way that is just like it seems right it seems right yeah and that’s you’re just you’re just like it doesn’t matter if i get swayed one way or another the rule is a hot dog is a serum well it’s not a rule it’s a feeling people cannot feel that way but it’s like it’s not a distinctive meat like there’s no meaning in that definition there’s no okay interesting there’s no way there’s no meaning in the definition of a sandwich in terms of like like categorizing hot dog as a sandwich even though it to me it is true it’s not meaningful because no one’s going to call it a sandwich in day to day life but there are laws that specifically dictate sandwiches differently from other things though so that’s where in practice impact in law sure like in finn’s in ireland or something subways yeah is considered cake not bread like that’s that’s the government what are all the governments get the government out of our hot dogs exactly well keep food safety laws the thing is i don’t have a bias in hot doggery i wasn’t born in america i don’t have that experience i don’t have the ballpark experience i’ve never been to a baseball game in my life yeah yeah yeah yeah you don’t need to go they’re fine no go once and they’re fun i like them i went i went to like a backyard barbecue once but there’s hot dogs and i’m like oh that’s weird um but yeah in china like we call things like that’s the word for sandwich sand means so it’s like literally a loanword kind of deal and we use that for like cookies we use that for like like the manto the clamshell mento you put like chinese cold cuts in it though that’s sandwich so like there’s no really there’s no cultural definition of sandwich or hot dogs so for me it’s so ambiguous that hot dog might as well be a sandwich so like a hot dog in china that’s just that’s using the same word as like a lot of just different big things china now is called zugo which literally means hot and dog that’s fine okay so now so the definition has sort of shifted because it’s become commonplace yes okay so ergo a hot dog it’s not a sandwich because it has its own name in china thank you so much that doesn’t define it but it does for me well thank you so much hello hello what is your name my name is thomas hi thomas how do you feel about hot dogs being sandwiches so this is a question that shook me to my very core yes it kept me up at night laughter is cheap we want gasps [Laughter] anyway so i thought back to what i like to eat and i thought about a cheesesteak because i’m originally from philadelphia so i i like cheesesteaks and i’m like is that a sandwich and i would say it is a sandwich i would say it is technicality a hot dog is a sandwich but don’t you think that a hot dog deserves a level of like class and like iconicism like it is what it is like a hot dog is americana like when you think of hot dogs you think about red white and blue baby patriotic era see here’s the one thing that kept me up though okay if i tell you to bring sandwiches to a picnic and you bring a hot dog i mean i’ll eat it it’ll be fine but yeah i’ll be like i told you to bring sandwiches but what if somebody brought what have you what have you said bring sandwiches to a picnic and somebody brought cheese steaks would that yeah would you be confused then that’s that’s good you know what i i think i would but i would roll with it oh yeah i mean yeah i would think cold which makes me it’s dependent on the place it must be dependent on the place depends on your mood yeah but the thing when somebody says i’m going to bring sandwiches if there’s a more specific word for something we use that right it’s true if somebody’s like i’m going to bring tea sandwiches i’m going to bring a hoagie yeah yeah yeah and so like cheesesteak is a specific word for a type of sandwich hot dog i believe is a specific word for a specific type of sandwich i don’t think so even though it is probably the highest example of something that we have a more specific term for even though it can still be within the category i think i think it it just it’s i think it extends out of the definition and flowers i mean i used to i thought that a week ago i thought that a week ago and then i did soul-searching you did soul-searching so did i look but i think cheesesteak is in that same category hot dog is the one more extreme from that but still again under the category with leavened bread i think they’re close but they’re not the same ah and that’s how i feel so nice thank you so much guys enjoy the rest of your time this is like the best ice cream yeah this ice cream is day oh my god does anybody have a lactate pill i’ll give you 35 for it hey how’s it going it’s going good how are you guys doing good what’s your name state your name and your position on whether or not a hot dog is a sandwich my name is emily and i am a firm believer that a hot dog is a sandwich thank you wow why because i am a fair believer that if you put something between two pieces of bread that it could be considered a sandwich now i feel like a sandwich there’s also many different types what about a frisbee though you put a frisbee in between two pieces of wheat bread crispy sandwich i feel like that would still be classified as a sandwich but not an edible one sure so okay yeah see but like my feel my the way i feel is um everybody is just like ganging up on me and like i don’t know maybe it is sometimes but no it can’t be i can’t it’s not an easy question a hamburger is a sandwich because it’s two separate pieces of bread yes the hinge and the meat too makes it too iconic for it to be anything else i’m sorry i’m just not going to change my mind i feel like you need to believe if you say a hamburger is a sandwich i don’t think this is necessarily true our philosopher homie would say this is not necessarily true however i feel if you classify a hamburger as a sandwich you should also classify a hot dog as a sandwich why because hamburgers are hot i’d say more iconic than hot dogs right we’ve exported them across the globe no i think hot dogs are more iconic because then you’re just on the how many words do you have for hamburger what do you mean how many words do you have for a hamburger how many words you have for hot dog you have glizzy there’s like so many different things you could call a hot dog because it’s so iconic but hamburgers just say a steamed ham maybe shout out to bill yeah shout out bill oakley from the show but yeah i think hot dog it just can’t be the tube the tube just speaks to me in a way that a patty that a slice of turkey that uh i don’t know sprouts can’t it just can’t do it for me nicole you’re going to be convinced by the end of the day that is amazing i think it’s going to take a lot of work from a lot of people to try to get me to change my shirt if only we had a line of a lot of people i know it was a big line so i feel like there’s a chance it’s only what 10 45 what time is it am i 10 40 very good very good the sun dude step on up oh my gosh okay hi hold double jab what’s your name what’s your position what’s your sign my name is elijah and i have no idea i’m very frazzled at the moment i kind of rely on you guys to tell me this so like not i don’t i don’t what’s your sign my sign yeah i’m a cancer okay nice we love that i don’t know what that means i’m really emotional i guess it doesn’t really matter no you seem proud okay hold on this is good this is a good primer this is good for us to now check our own beliefs because i’m gonna run this down for you okay so we talked to a historian who he he is what i would call a sandwich originalist that’s right he believes the sandwich was invented as two pieces of bread with something inside of it ergo that is all a sandwich asian can be uh okay so a hot dog is not a sandwich to him but he then had to agree that subway does not sell sandwiches because it is only one piece of bread right okay and so like it’s a tough pill to swallow isn’t it that’s a very hot dog bun isn’t that like i know it’s like one piece of bread technically but you split it down the middle isn’t it kind of like it’s a hinged piece of bread it’s a hint okay i know i believe it is two separate pieces but i don’t know if i think that that is necessarily important for the debate sure there’s so many so many you go to france right yeah a baguette a jean bone burr you know you get a sandwich on a baguette that’s not a sandwich you know what i mean parisian hot dogs but it’s because they’re served in a baguette that’s because it doesn’t have a a beautiful forced meat liquid batter called a hot dog in it josh i wrote down at our sandwich would you like to hear our hot dog yes it must contain liquid batter for me no size parameters must have a ratio parameter must be able to be reasonably eaten with your hands that’s true must be a land animal with legs no gators no gator dogs no gators okay anything made out of fish is not a hot dog one contiguous piece of bread if it breaks throw it away unless it’s accidental intentionable intentional 50 75 fine oh okay condiments go directly onto the dog if some gets on the bun no big deal no yeah and josh’s special tornado hot dog topping method is not recognized by the council so those are our hot dogs when we wrote this down i feel like it made sense and now it means nothing yeah right drunk edit sober i think what we need to do what we need to do is we need to draw a spectrum right of sandwiches from the perfect stereotype of say a ham and cheese on wheat bread whatever all the way down to say like an ice cream cone because that could be considered a sandwich if you ice cream cones okay yeah that’s what i’m saying you need to draw the extremes and then you need to start inching towards the stereotype with what so you go from an ice cream sandwich to say you know an oreo cookie i think a hot dog is up here i think i think the spectrum is here and the hot dog is on top wait can i throw a scenario with you guys okay so say you have like a really nice hot dog right yeah really like the works you know you do the whole thing it’s really like it’s hot dogging and then the bottom of the bread falls out well but it’s still intact is that not now just a sideways sandwich no i i’ve heard that argument a lot and to me it’s however the dish was intended to be served sure right if you drop a taco a hard shell taco on the ground is it now nachos yeah it’s a very slippery slope that’s a broken yeah bro i think i think it’s intent that matters okay where do you where do you stand now do you believe a hot dog is a sandwich i think so and i can’t tell if it’s because the podcast is called that so i feel like i’m leaning now towards it because it’s called that i don’t know tell me how’s your beeria sandwich tasting it’s really good is it actually good it’s really good thank you so much dude i appreciate you this is so cool thanks so much thank you enjoy the rest of your time here [Music] here at hot dog is a sandwich it’s no secret that we’re fans of toshiba days and all that they have to offer our butts are squeaky clean and we’re proud of it so join us in 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the bread hinge that you talk about okay okay but then i think largely the bun is inconsequential because when you talk about a hot dog even without the bun you’re still thinking about the kc inside chocolate can you get a hot dog pizza it’s going to be the slice of wieners if you get hot dog and spaghetti it’s going to be cut up in there and there’s so many other sausages that we do categories all these other sausages as sausages but you know when you’re getting a hot dog it is only one flavor profile it is hot dog and you know you’re eating a hot dog that is the flavor of hot dogs it’s hot on flavor but so here’s what i think neither a sandwich or anything else a hot dog falls into its own genus and species right a hot dog is a mono dream a hot dog is a platypus i literally monotremes feed their young by secreting milk through pores in the skin not with nipples that’s what monotremes do and they are separate hold on sorry i’m very convinced by the platypus monitor i was just talking about monitoring the other day and i don’t remember why but what a hilarious coincidence incredible incredible and somehow i have now been swayed by the platypus argument wow that hot dog is not a sandwich also the bow thing because i was very resolute in that it is a sandwich for a while i’ve been wobbling the thing that trips me out the most is the bow argument because i would never call a ballot sandwich never yeah but it’s phenotypically very similar to a hot dog and the fact that you made the platypus comparison i think it i i know i know a hot dog is i no longer believe that a hot dog is a sandwich take your shirt off i believe that a hot dog like a platypus or monotreme is in a separate genus entirely take your shirt off change your shirt i need a new shirt ryan i need a new shirt right right we need a new shirt he’s a large but he wears a medium oh my god you did it you sickles incredible first of all you guys are a great team i did not see this happening the way that you guys argue i feel like we can learn yeah they did you see how nicely did you come prepared did you like yeah where are you guys we’re team burgers if we’re being honest and we are a team the way that you guys came together and that was one of my favorite things i’ve seen today thank you so much we’re so excited to be here we saw your comments where we literally screamed we’re so excited we’ve listened to you for years we just love you thank you so much you swayed old man that means everything to us we’re going to be feasting on that for the rest of the day i don’t need food now it’s incredible so nice meeting you too very impressed by the argument they get up everything y’all are rocking it oh yay it is now the official position of a hot dog is a sandwich podcast that a hot dog is not a sandwich it’s about damn time hi hi how are you i’m great remind us of your name again jessica jessica nice to meet you so how do you feel about a hot dog being a sandwich well i brought notes with me today wow wow break them out so i’m going to break them up so i recognize that the merriam-webster’s dictionary their definition does kind of classify a hot dog as a sandwich however i i believe that a hot dog is not a sandwich thank you welcome to the club that i’ve been a part of i don’t even have a debate now so it’s great but my argument is there’s sandwich shops and there’s like hot dog chops that’s what i’m saying they they don’t sell hot dogs at a sandwich shop that’s right like would you do but they don’t sell well hold on like just to be a little old prickly devil’s advocate here you know they don’t sell pb j’s at you know sandwich at all sandwich shops um that is true okay what do you mean do you mean that a sandwich house that has to sell all kinds of sandwiches no but that’s what i’m saying the goal is that no i’m telling you oh no she’s beautiful you mean to tell me that mouth beautiful weird so you mean to tell me that the summer scent sounds like i don’t know like jersey mike’s are they supposed to have pb and j’s and grilled cheese sandwiches and cream cheese nutella sandwiches which are my favorite sandwiches that’s right no way no cream cheese that’s gross you should fill the sour with the chocolate in between okay that’s fun i mean i believe that like a hot dog has its own thing like a burger’s not a sandwich a burger is a burger well i think a burger’s a sandwich if i if i told you hey would you like a sandwich and i brought you a hot dog i’d be mad i’d be pissed off yeah but if you asked me if i wanted a sandwich and you brought like i don’t know hummus ketchup and iceberg lettuce i’d be like i’m pretty mad but that’s still a sandwich i still do actually it sounds kind of good ketchup iceberg i’m in also yes yes my last argument they’re in the same a similar category okay like fruit oh okay apples and oranges an apple is not an orange but they’re both fruit that’s fair they taste different they look different there’s apple pie but you say well there’s no orange pie no wait but that’s maybe there should be an orange pie but that’s an argument for a hot dog being a sandwich right so if you’re saying that apples and oranges are different but they’re both under the category of a similar category there is a similar category like what do you say they’re both fruits merriam-webster’s dictionary definition so it’s bread like a sandwich no i disagree i don’t think so but it’s a hot dog okay but but but but you said the apples and oranges are fruit so are you saying hot dogs or burgers or sandwiches no i’m saying they’re in the same category of bread okay with stuff in the middle bread with stuff in the middle okay sorry we’re a little on edge you know we’re a little tired we’re like water hot dog that’s the sunscreen yeah i got it it was really nice thank you for coming out nice i respect your opinion y’all want to step up to the debate jump in jump in you guys are both so tall and long-legged what’s it like jealous there’s less oxygen oh really never mind i’m not jealous if you faint we’re not legally liable from the lack of oxygen so what are your names kimberly kimberly sebastian kimberly and sebastian so how do you feel is a hot dog a sandwich yes or no my gut says no my logical chain that says yes tell me about the logic that led you to believing that because i was in your position uh less than eight minutes ago oh i’ve switched i’ve now switched to the dark side no but i this is why we wanted to talk to people because we’re looking to be convinced i’m looking to believe in anything i will join any cult right now i love that if somebody has it i’m i’m not honorable so vulnerable easy mark i think so i started with a um a parallel argument about a tomato being a fruit because because we were talking about like colloquially a hot dog is not really a sandwich like no one goes to a sandwich shop and he’s like i want a hot dog and no one is like oh my favorite fruit is the tomato but there are like certain characteristics of a sandwich or of a fruit that make a tomato a fruit and i think the characteristics of a sandwich could make a hot dog a sandwich even though i still wouldn’t refer to a hot dog as a sandwich because that’s like not culturally what we’re accustomed to but interesting if i think about like bread and something in between bread and a bread not necessarily having to be two pieces because there’s subs and things that are sandwiches and i think a hot dog could be a sandwich wait that’s a really good argument because so we’ve had the tomato is a tomato a fruit debate and one of my problems with it is that it’s a fruit fruit is a very botanically specific term yeah correct but it is a nebulous culinary term there’s no botanically specific term for vegetables vegetables don’t exist botanically they’re you know you have tubers and bulbs and stalks and all that but fruit does so we would never put tomatoes in a fruit salad however we understand that there’s a need for for a botanically specific term yeah so for like sandwich there may be a need for a say a legally specific term for a sandwich right if you’re doing tariff law stuff like that sure you have you need a legal definition of it however you understand that that can completely be separate from your life yeah like that almost exists for a very small group of people tomato is a fruit for a bunch of botany nerds or people who want to be an a-hole at a party you know ketchup’s a smoothie no it’s not but you understand that the terms can be split yeah no that’s what i think there’s like there’s there’s kind of the practical way of referring to things and then there’s like okay well we need to have some like definition that’s more like scientific or logical so that we have like a concrete understanding of what something is but obviously there’s going to be like looseness to that depending on which circle you’re in if you’re in the botanical nerd circle then find your you have like invitations there but otherwise you’re gonna be like oh yeah a sandwich a hot dog they’re they’re different i understand that but a hot dog is a sandwich we live in a society we need rules a hot dog is a sandwich hey hot dog is a sandwich where’s my other shirt oh my gosh she’s searching again i can believe that it’s a platypus and also a sandwich my job here is done the shirts are sticking to me so hard thank you so much for coming on thank you you have swayed josh you have not sweeped me young maiden that’s okay got half so nice to meet you guys again meet you thank you that is a genuinely compelling argument no hello hello hello hello so remind us of your names again por favor uh rising grind gamers my name’s tim i’m haley hi tim and haley so how do you feel is a hot dog a sandwich yes or no uh i have over 26 years of experience eating food so i think i’m qualified to say a hot dog is a sandwich let me bring up the cousin the meatball sub thank you yes yes see just like the meatball sub a hot dog doesn’t have to refer to a hot dog in the bun but it is still a sandwich we don’t call it a sandwich but we also don’t call hamburger sandwich that’s just a quirky hamburger sandwich but it is it is what yeah we could call it a hot dog sandwich but we don’t because that’s just how english like which works so you think a hot dog sandwich is the official name of a hot dog it’s like an implied sandwich yeah it’s a silent sandwich at the end so yeah we’ve dropped off because we don’t need it anymore so you have to tell me madonna needs to be known as a singer madonna singer no no but i’m saying when you say beyonce there is an implication of knowles she’s yeah wait no did she keep that or no i don’t know maybe she’s wait no maybe mrs carter mrs carter no she didn’t take carter beyonce carter no does beyonce still have a legal last name does anybody believe say his real name beyonce giselle knows caller thank you michaela i’m so glad you knew that is our is our local uh beyonce expert but no guys i’m telling you hot dogs are so iconic and they’re so unique and they just define so much that calling it a sandwich is just rude it’s just disrespectful what i mean it’s hot dog history is it root to call like a tomato a fruit you know no because it’s correct a tomato is a fruit that’s what i’m saying i think i think there is a normal use of language in terms of you would never say hot dog sandwich and then there is specific and necessary use of a language to define and categorize we don’t need to define entities i think we do everything i think if we want to protect hot dogs we need laws nicole to protect hot dogs pizza the hot dogs fly free josh if you love it let it go haley do you have any thoughts yes okay so i’m of the other belief i think a hot dog is not a sandwich okay yes because i think a hot dog refers to the meat and not the bun no that is a wiener without the bun it is simply winner time i don’t think so a hebrew natty is still a hot dog i know amen i think you can’t go into any sandwich shop and pick out your meats and say i want the hot dog on my sandwich well that’s begging the question i say weiner schnitzel is a sandwich shop you can’t just kidding me okay so it’s a hot dog place it’s it’s it’s like subway it’s to say that it doesn’t sell sandwiches is baking the question because you have to decide if it’s a sandwich first you can’t just say it’s not a sandwich top because then you’ve already decided i’m sorry i don’t know yeah now i disagree with you i don’t agree with you mcdonald’s is in the sandwich shop mcdonald’s is a fast food restaurant restaurant we need to deliberate we need to we need a sidebar we need a sidebar so nice meeting you guys what’s your name jonathan hi jonathan nice to meet you this is josh i’m sorry i mean hot dog it’s okay it’s okay so i think a hot dog is a sandwich someone has to say like okay a sandwich is just like a categorization that like generally people can understand and like this is coming from a lens of like okay like there’s a lot of taiwanese foods that i don’t know how to explain to people like there’s certain things that i would call like a burrito to people just to like explain the general consensus of like okay this is like you’re talking about like the beef roll beef roll and like there’s like some like there there’s this specific like dessert that i’m thinking of like two scoops of ice cream there’s like candy peanuts and like cilantro and like they wrap it up oh yeah we’ve made that before it’s fine oh that’s excellent yeah i love it but like it’s like i would call that a burrito to somebody who’s like never had it because i’m like okay well then like what’s something or even like guava like you know i would say like okay that’s a sandwich to somebody who’s never had it so the gua bao thing is what originally tripped me up where i was like one if i’m not from taiwan i feel like it’s not my place to categorize that as a sandwich or not however the fact that you said it’s actually very helpful to be able to explain things to people i mean that’s the function of language right that’s right words exist to be able to explain concepts the fact that you would call gua bao a sandwich to explain it to people who were like what is it if you’re like well you take a bun and then you see me and then it’s like no it’s like it’s like a little tacoy sandwich foldy pork but delicious you know yeah i that actually really gave me the confidence to say that a hot dog is in fact a sandwich so thank you that’s huge that’s a gorge i have nothing to say to you i have nothing to say to either of you i appreciate the perspective i don’t have an instant answer your your uh position was very very intelligent and i appreciate it but i need some time to think sounds great so give me some time to think hey nice shirt hi thank you what is it it’s the avatar sick what’s your name avatar is blue no that’s the that’s the wrong name actually everybody knows i know that you’re bender thank you very much yeah i watched no his name is jake sully i watched her he’s into a large blue guy no and then he does a little bit of come on he does some colony avatar was so good where’s avatar too four seasons of avatar yeah yeah they’ve been making one for like 10 years no no i saw a preview of it in a movie thing and the blue chicks look hot sorry guys what’s your name what’s your name i’m fritz hi friends how do you feel about a hot dog vegan sandwich yes no maybe so i okay so things can be more than just one thing right yes like a hot dog can be a hot dog while also being a sandwich dualism hot dog duality of nature there cartesian dualism right yeah exactly yeah so like sort of shapes right like a rectangle is a square but a square is not erecting in the same way a hot dog can be both a hot dog and a sandwich like if a rectangle is a rectangle and a square who’s to say that a hot dog can’t be both a hot dog and a sandwich i agree with that that’s that was one of the things that changed my mind to fully believing in a hot dog is a sandwich because the fact that on normal use you understand that it is not however there is also specific classification that is needed you know right and so it can be both things like your heart as a hot dog but it lives in the legal system as a sandwich yeah i’m not trying to diss the sacrifice of a hot dog like of course hot dogs yeah but they can also be sandwiched i’ve eaten like four hot dogs today i’ve had like two and a half i this is my first one i’ve been too nervous to eat it i love i love the opinion man i respect you all right guys zach oh exactly we got zach brooks market manager smorgasburg los angeles and what does he have here what do we have is a sandwich holy crap that is a sandwich that is a sandwich this is a hot dog sandwich okay this is a sandwich zach tell me about what you think you’re saying listen i mean you’re serving hot dogs today correct you got a reuben hot dog a video hot dog those are hot dogs yes you will not find you go to any you find me a menu in any restaurant in this country that has a sandwich section of the menu where a hot dog is listed in that section josh is about to pull one up no it’s fine i i’d like to see that i think that helps your argument but it yeah here’s papa jacks and where’s the jacks someone tweeted is it on a hinged hot dog bun i bet it’s on a hinge i don’t know you don’t know listen i want to see what that looks like i guess if i saw something on a menu that said a hot dog sandwich or a hot dog listed under a sandwich this right here is what i would expect to see right right which is not a hot dog it’s a hot dog sandwich two different things the bread is cut up the hot dogs are cut up it’s cut up no no but i’m saying there there is necessity for say you’re a diner right because i’ve seen hot dogs on the menu under the category of sandwiches at a diner they got 200 items on the menu is they need to separate them by something is it on a hot dog bun or is it on two pieces or no it’s not a hot dog bun i mean listen i think you can obviously come up with a definition for a sandwich sure that a hot dog fits under yeah that’s right that is the argument for but to me i feel like if i order a hot dog i want to see what you’re serving in a bun if i order a hot dog sandwich i want to see this which is hot dogs in something that is commonly accepted as sandwich bread and i feel like a hot dog bun is not commonly accepted as sandwich bread you ever had a lobster roll if you yeah listen i can admit damn it i can admit when i am not i mean not wrong basically what i did so at this point i’ve eaten everything there is to eat at smorgasburg um and so i um i do every week what’s called a smorg hack where i take food from one vendor and bring it to another vendor and have them mash it together into something and it’s always of course thoughtful and intelligently planned it’s not you know i mean yeah yeah exactly and so today or my smorg hack was to take your hot dog to one of our sandwich vendors and have them make it into what is clearly a hot dog sandwich and everyone who recognizes the hot dog sandwich but now you know that we’re both sandwich vendors out here man we’re both sandwich vendors just making sandwiches uh this is a true honor a real honor hey go listen to food is the new rock stop on up not too bad man how are you doing hello hey there so state your name my name is cameron how do you feel about a hot dog being a sandwich yes no hot dog’s not a sandwich okay what is it a hot dog is a sausage oh so but you’re saying that the bun is not included in your definition of hot dog if you make a three-year-old a hot dog and they don’t want the bun you’re chopping up a hot dog you’re not chopping up something other than a hot dog so i i would call this the equivocation fallacy to me to me there is a where a social contract there is an understood implication that when we ask the question in good faith cameron is a hot dog a sandwich that we are talking about the version served inside of a bun i believe you are a bad faith actor and you have come here to stir the pot and no but i think i think that we we are talking about that and i i would even go so far as to say that we should not call a bunless hot dog a hot dog that we should exclusively call it a a wiener a frankfurter you know yeah okay okay i agree so that is my official position i agree with that too a hot dog is a wiener yeah but you can go to costco and you can get the hot dog or the polish that’s true and you’re just swapping out the meat but it’s the same dish they both taste really similar they’re both the same i know damn now we gotta consider costco in our decision making i hate when you go i always do well no they switched they’re they’re not using kubernetes anymore what do they use now didn’t they switch they’ve always been their own i don’t know before they used to advertise back in the day i had to give them the same price they had to 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first person to say that um can you extrapolate for me who hates shapes i hate shapes i’m definitely not a shaped person either but like i feel like it’s like a classification it’s like the animal kingdom like there’s yeah all that it’s like the same kind of thing you know yeah so you’re saying that all hot dogs are sandwiches but not all sandwiches are hot dogs in the way that all squares are rectangles not all rectangles yes exactly i believe that i believe that to be true and i think that is the most basic way to illustrate the necessity of categories right why but why are we so hungry categorize hot dogs and sandwiches like what do we gain from it what do we as a society benefit from that i will say that i was very convinced by our dude from taiwan who was saying that it’s easy for him to like even explaining to people back home what a different dish is where he’s like blah blah yeah it’s like a sandwich you know explaining foods to people by using normative language like yeah but normally to you is through an american lens and that’s not fair to do that no that’s not that’s very fair and so i think though in every different community right that’s why i struggle with the universality of the phrase is a hot dog a sandwich right because there’s always an implied whenever you’re speaking of to me to my in group right to the people that i normally spend time with is a hot dog a sandwich because obviously different languages have different conventions you go to britain uh anything on a round bun is a burger so a fried chicken sandwich here is a chicken burger yeah in england and i would never say that they’re wrong about that but i think we can only we are currently in america we can only look at it through an american lens and i think our homie from taiwan earlier talking about that that really convinced me that there is a necessity to categorize it i agree for nothing else to be just helpful and clearly and communicative i hate being amen final thoughts it’s not a sandwich yeah listen logic only gets you so far emotions are what really matter yeah options yeah honestly yeah yeah that’s a good point thank you yeah i do have an emotional connection to hot dogs today step up guys can just sit on top of each other too yes like russian like toddlers in a trench coat oh or russian nesting dolls we’re a huge fan i’m huge fans of you thanks job i’m gonna cry oh we’re the tears do you have mascara on no okay nicole don’t look at her progression what are your names what are your names what are your names i’m chris chris esther esther nice to meet you are you all are you do you have a consensus on whether or not a hot dog is the same this is actually a quagmire in our relationship interesting okay let’s do some relationship counseling right now stay here take your cases we’ll see if you need to break up or not eight years down the drain leave her leave i believe a hot dog is a sandwich in the same way a bunny is a sandwich it’s cut open but there’s still like an intersection of bread meat and stuff a sandwich is a huge umbrella term like why we got to be so like you know strict on the rules fair fair okay i don’t think that it’s a sandwich because well it’s a lobster roller sandwich we just i i believe that a lobster roll is a sandwich it’s a roll it’s a rule right right yeah sausage rolls in england that’s a roll um well a sausage roll is a pastry that’s fair but then sausage in a roll is what i would call a sausage sandwich what’s the wet soul so you’re you’re like old dog i think you’re right but i think i think we have to we’re talking about this earlier where it’s almost unfortunate because we have to sort of view this through an american lens i am fascinated by the term bun in vietnamese because it is it’s a very very broad term right totally and vanme does specifically refer to the baguette right like is he you can get a plain bun me and it just it’s just the baguette it’s called the bun me fair fair and then when you fill it with other things it’s ban meat nung you know whatever you’re naming it but then you have like i’m thinking of like bun flan right they use the term bun to describe flan even though it’s not a pastry really so i mean do you have like any insight on to what the term bun could actually like mean literally translated okay first of all i can tell you’ve been to garden grove a lot grew up fountain valley hold me a little saigon all day yeah yeah no um i i cannot be an authority on this figure because i’m only happy enemies but okay and i hear you i i really do however we are talking about hot dogs right now hot dogs i don’t need to change the subject it’s okay i i see where i see where this this derails a lot nicole for you what happens whenever i have a bun me and i put a hot dog in it ew what’s it now hey man i would eat it here and that’s this is actually the crux of my argument my argument is that a hot dog is a purely american phenomenon it’s true and there’s interpretations of that phenomenon throughout the world there’s mexican hot dogs there’s polish dogs you know it’s become its own universal global genre it is an icon everyone everyone wants to say a hot dog is an icon a hot dog is an icon and i can agree with that and believe it is entertainment oh you two are so cute you should you should stay together you should stay together step up come on over scoot in hi so nice to meet the two of you what are your names uh i’m chyna hi chyna and i’m evan what up china and evan hey so tell us how you feel the hot dog is sandwich yes no maybe absolutely absolutely person of reason yes why why well i mean the big question is is a bun a piece of bread and it is of course not a of course it’s two pieces of bread two pieces of bread that is stuck together together it’s just in a hot dog bun is a loaf of bread cut horizontally right instead of vertically and so therefore you fill it with meat and it’s just it’s just a little flappy piece on the bottom that stuff falls apart all the time is a twinkie a ravioli okay i like i like this line of questioning it’s a dumpling okay um a sandwich no because it’s sealed all the way around you and i would get a lot we do get along we’ve known each other for 30 seconds but i agree with everything you’re saying okay i want to hear evan evan how do you feel yeah so i believe a hot dog is also a sandwich so our marriage is safe yeah don’t pick the fights no but i i think you have a very strong grasp of grouping things together by certain i’d say like phenotypical similarities because i agree with you that a twinkie and a ravioli both obviously have something in common yeah wait wait wait no they don’t twinkies are filled after they’re baked therefore they’re not dumplings i’m sorry oh a twinkie is oh beans no the whole thing’s done okay you think a cake is a lasagna tiramisu’s dessert lasagna oh my gosh y’all are crazy i do agree with you though that i to me slicing the bread a different way is such a flimsy difference to to draw don’t i don’t believe it i believe that you put anything else in a hot dog bun you put turkey cheese tomato that’s a sandwich beautiful amen families can you hide these from me so i don’t keep eating the cold wet beef it’s delicious though nephew oh heck yeah what’s your name oh my name’s jacob hi jacob yeah what’s up man can you tell us if a hot dog is a sandwich or not i believe it’s a sandwich okay why do you think jake first of all how old are you i’m turning 11. turning 11. okay so you are one the future and so i feel like we are looking to be impressed right here because you might be interviewing for a job with us in what what four years when we do we hire 15 year olds we can okay so consider this a job interview is a hot dog a sandwich uh i believe it is because with a sandwich i mean it’s literally just meat lettuce and all that and two pieces of bread a literal hot dog is literally just that it’s a bun as a wiener inside a hot dog it’s simple yeah it’s simple but life but but little young jacob beautiful 11 almost knowledgeable life isn’t that simple okay life isn’t simple you’re gonna keep getting involved in different definitions of things and what a thing is and you’re never going to know you’re never going to know you’re going to get your heart broken one day and then the next day it’s like oh my god it’s not that anymore and you have to be ready for that okay yeah you’re gonna have to figure out how to file 10.99 tax yeah do you know how to file taxes i don’t i’m saying you’ve done a w-2 life’s not simple jacob no i have not but i mean it depends how you see it because yeah a hot dog could be just its own thing because it depends how the bread is too because uh interesting sandwich it’s just it’s two pieces of bread that are not connect the two different pieces well you ever been to subway yeah that bread is connected you say that’s a sandwich right with a hot dog if the bread’s connected it could be its own thing i mean you could call a subway sandwich that’s connected with bread you could call it like a hot dog but jacob you are the future it was so nice meeting you it’s nice meeting you hi sweetheart come on down jump in hi there oh thank you oh we have two people divided on their opinions based on the shirts i’m seeing i love it actually she’s got she’s gotta tell you something josh okay well i’m wearing this in support of you even though that you’re wrong oh yeah i’ve been hoodwinked i’ve been bamboozled i love that guys this is the most important talking i have all day because i have a whole new perspective to bring to the table okay interesting um i hope no one’s done this yet hot dog is not a sandwich as you can see i picked up one of your yes i picked up one of these this is clearly a taco oh okay okay i will say i will say are you gonna reference the cube rule of food sorry do you know the cube rule of food have you ever heard of this before i don’t okay because there are a lot they’re a fair amount nobody’s brought it up today and i’m glad you did because we need to address the falsehood that a hot dog is a taco okay let’s see because this was propagated by something called the cube rule of food we did a podcast we did a podcast literally called noah hot dog is not a taco oh no i miss it go back and listen but i’ll reiterate so to me tacos tortillas pre-date lemon bread by almost 10 000 years that’s right right and also a vast majority of tortillas in the world are made from corn and so for me a taco must be on unleavened bread you could argue that say navajo tacos have a little bit of leavening um like texas style flower tortillas have a little bit of lemonade but those are still flat breads sure and so i believe that once you leaven the bread you are no longer in taco town you’re in sandwich sandwich city baby i was gonna say sandwich bill oh man yeah are you gonna say the same thing for something like a mexican pizza taco bell mexican pizza taco bell’s a lasagna no mexican pizza is a uh it’s a mulit yeah have you been convinced against the fact that a hot dog is a taco you have some compelling evidence i wasn’t prepared for that yeah i need to ask you guys and mythicon are you guys going to be serving because we’re going oh yeah awesome yeah are you guys going to be serving some classics like that in and out mac and cheeses we don’t know yet we’re definitely going to so we’re partnering with like food trucks and stuff and we’re going to put some mythical dishes on the menu but we still have to like hash out exactly what they are but exactly what it is it’s going to be dope fingers crossed we’ll put some guys we’ll see you there in a couple months hello hello hello how are you nervous oh my gosh what’s your name andrea andrea hi hi so tell us is a hot dog a sandwich yes no maybe how do you feel yeah hot dog is the same yeah it’s simple it’s very simple do you want to sit next to josh because he feels the same way as you i’m just kidding why do you feel that way um because it’s got two pieces of bread and then you got the filling did you say has two pieces of bread i’m so sorry i believe that a hot dog bun is a roll split down the middle don’t let her bully you don’t let her bully you on here it is two pieces of bread uh a hot dog can can you confirm that oh yeah i a roll split down the middle is two pieces of bread because a loaf is two pieces of bread but like no it’s not a loaf is a lot of pieces of bread yeah exactly but like you take two of those from the loaf and then you have hold on this is this is asexual reproduction right this is how you have a loaf it is one entity it is one piece of bread but it has the potential to split into multiple right what do they call this like mitosis or something yeah it’s what’s it called yeah mitosis is mitosis i’m sorry uh halitosis no that’s like amoebas amoebas no amoebas are are uh what i’m sorry mono monocellular organisms what i’m saying is i don’t agree that a hot dog has two pieces of bread it’s one piece of bread that is put down in the middle creating two pieces no you can make a sandwich with two separate pieces like i saw somebody made like a concha torta with like two conchas or you can have like it’s it still counts as two because it’s i disagree i agree i agree with you i think once you cut it you have created two pieces and i think it’s important so nice to meet you hello what are your names i’m jess matt celine nice to meet the three of you never like to say vegas out here thank you vegas we woke up four in the morning oh my gosh let’s go well you got one shot to wow you’ve already wowed us with your dedication now you gotta wow us with your opinions about hot dogs yes tell us how do you feel sandwich sandwich sandwich how do you feel celine all of you three are sandwiches have you indoctrinated her she does you like hot sauce almost always hot oh yes is that like your favorite food ever oh my gosh so maybe i should switch well let me let me ask you something it’s the hot dog connoisseur you seem the most passionate about hot dogs you have the most to gain and lose here do you think there’s anything like offensive do you think it cheapens your experience if you call it a sandwich you’re confused welcome to my life do you think calling a hot dog a sandwich makes a hot dog less of a hot dog you think so interesting interesting why do you feel so strongly that you had to drive from vegas to here to tell us if a hot dog is a sandwich or not well i don’t actually have that strong opinion it was mostly just you guys have been an amazing part of our relationship as a marriage we see you that we watch you guys all the time oh my gosh uh and also to congratulate josh in his first win in the kitchen battles hey to many more to many more sore spots or spot i will repeat what josh said in one of the episodes like everything that could be put in a sandwich could be put in a hot dog so a hot dog is a sandwich i agree you are people of reason i think i gotta change my shirt i will say nicole is the best so her guy matters her opinion matters nicole you are valid thank you all so much for having me out truly i’m honored thank you so much so nice meeting you guys enjoy smorgasburg enjoy l.a have the best time ever hello hi i’ve met you yeah is your name no chris no hey andrew you had the same conversation last time you’re really close did i call you chris last time i think so is there a shirt of smosher yeah nice yeah the only hot dog thing i had so tell us your name please hi i’m mandy hi andy tell us is a hot dog a sandwich yes or no um i’m gonna have to go with yes okay why are you so wrong um nicole’s getting bullied because i’m arguing with you nicole goodbread is good response very good response um well the way i see it it’s literally i would describe it as like the wiener being sandwiched in between the two halves oh so verb sandwiches nicole not this is not any sort of euphemism nicole is sandwiched between us right now yeah are we a sandwich yeah we’re people sounding we’re a people sandwich you are a sander a radical sandwich inclusionist yes and i respect that i i respect my rsis out here does that have another meaning rsi i hope there’s nothing i’m not googling maggie’s too busy she keeps like is it like a terrorist army somewhere called rsi i really hope not i really hope not i hope not to it was really nice meeting you hello hi how are you all doing i’m fine hello hello i’m jeff this is my wife michelle hello hi how’s it going oh it’s hot it’s hot out here for a while where are you all coming from today we’re from orange county down to disneyland hey wait what about orange county i grew up there yeah yeah we brought some gifts what out of our out of our garden oh my gosh i am so stoked so these are like an hour off the plants oh my gosh wait what is it i can’t wait uh we’ve got mix uh mad hatter peppers santa fe ground what we got a little bit [Laughter] more importantly it’s a hot dog a sandwich i’m going to sit there and say no it’s a taco i believe in food you’re a food we are at odds with the food cubists i’m sorry i respect your culture but i do not like it sir well i respect your opinion [Laughter] [Music] most people do most people divided household i believe it is thank you okay and he just likes hot dogs that’s a perfectly valid opinion and that’s the best opinion i’ve heard all day [Music] well that was a lot to take in i’m tired and i’m sunburned shout out to the people who actually brought me drinks because i instagram bring me drinks and somebody brought me a beer and i opened it on a card table yeah someone brought us like a 12-pack of coke thanks that was really nice coca-cola thank you we really do have the best fans we have the best fans we have the best fans we also have the most intelligent and inquisitive fans ever they sat down with us and they spilled out their hearts to tell us if a hot dog is a sandwich or not and you know me i’ve been a staunch hot dog autonomous this whole entire time i flopped a little bit with dr norma because he kind of made me think a little bit outside of the box made me think outside of the spectrum and for that i’m very grateful but also i was totally behind ken obama’s side and i believed in him and i believed his message that a hot dog is iconic and should be treated as such a hot dog is madonna that’s what i kept saying to myself the whole time that i was at smorgasburg hot dog is madonna yes madonna’s an artist but she’s also a philanthropist she’s also a dancer she’s always also an artist she’s a million and one things so that’s what my whole entire like basis was on a hot dog deserves its own its own name it deserves to be its own thing because it is its own thing but we had this couple they had team hamburger shirts remember them i sure do they were decked out in hamburger gear do you know what that was about no heck yeah dude i didn’t want to dig because it was it was a hot dog day not a hamburger day you know what i mean they did bring your book and i signed your book actually which is the funniest thing in the world and they sat down and they argued in such a refreshing understanding way they were just firing on all cylinders one of them would talk the other would listen and quip and kind of like how you and i talk which i loved and they brought up something that really changed my mind and really made me get a little bit introspective about this conversation i was you know this whole time i’ve just been one way the whole time but they said something they said a hot dog is like a platypus and that completely changed my mind that just completely made a complete like brain aneurysm of sorts for me where a hot dog is a hot dog 100 but it is a sandwich for all intents and purposes you know a platypus is a mammal it’s not the first mammal you think of it’s not the first mammal anybody thinks of but it is a mammal it’s classified as a mammal sure it lays eggs sure it has a bill sure it has maybe a tail well who knows who cares it is what it is a hot dog is a sandwich and it really sucks to say that because this whole time i’ve been thinking one way but you know facts or facts and facts are are in front of you and yes it’s a slightly emotional argument and i get that and people’s livelihoods depend on this hot on hot dogs i get it vendors people that do taxes all these things have to do with a hot dog being its own thing but it’s really not it’s really not its own thing it is a sandwich it sucks to say it really like breaks my heart to say it like i’m literally banging the table right now because it shouldn’t be that way it shouldn’t be that way but it is nicole the platypus people were the entire reason that i switched my vote to a hot dog is not a sandwich i’ve since come around because a platypus exists without their they’re mammals sure but they’re also monotremes they’re mammals they’re monitoring they don’t feed their young from nipples they feed it by secreting nutrients to their skin meaning they have enough differentiating characteristics to be outside of several parts of the order and classification they literally got me to change my shirt nicole they got me to change my opinion josh but so i don’t care i don’t care if you’re right for the wrong reasons you know as if you get the right answer on a math test and you show your work improperly it don’t matter you don’t have to show your matter not only you just erase it no no stop saying that not all teachers make you share your work yeah and you know in life you don’t have to show your work because i’m called you you i’m not in front of a i’m not in front of a jury of my peers i’m talking to you josh you’re not going to get railroaded into this right now i’ve literally lost my voice from yelling at so many people no no this is where we’re at right now i literally changed my mind because of them but then then i have now come all the way back around because i still believe that a hot dog is a sandwich and i and i am very proud of you nicole for coming to that conclusion coming to the right side of history because there are reasons that we classify things you’re right in general right it is because language is meant to be used foods are meant to be understood and consumed the reason we say things it’s not a random designation we’re not saying that hot dogs are only sandwiches and they’re not special we’re saying that it is helpful to be able to use the conduit of a sandwich to communicate what a hot dog is sure there was one person who changed my mind entirely and i’m talking about jonathan from taiwan sure yes jonathan was also very very very helpful in my decision making one of the reasons that i didn’t want to call a hot dog a sandwich especially after last week talking about cultural significance with morgan walsh was that i was unwilling to call guabao from taiwan the taiwanese steamed pork belly bun i was unwilling to call that a sandwich i talk about how if people call a taco a sandwich i’m viscerally uncomfortable with it and i still don’t believe a taco is a sandwich because i don’t think it’s helpful to call it i don’t think a taco is a sandwich either it’s an um it’s unleavened bread is a sandwich exactly yeah and most tacos are made from corn tortillas if you look throughout history a corner flower doesn’t matter they’re still they’re flatbeds they’re unleavened breads they are their own classification however gua bao that is a leavened wheat bread it’s steamed many hot dog buns i mean they’re baked first but then they’re steamed guabao taiwanese pork belly buns have so many similarities to a hot dog but i was completely unwilling to call them a sandwich partly because i didn’t think it was my place it’s a taiwanese dish in separate history right but then jonathan said when he first moved here it was incredibly helpful to be able to use words and concepts the ice cream rolls oh yeah with the cilantro yeah that’s in a creep though so it’s in a crate but he said that being able to say it’s like it’s an ice cream burrito yeah he said that was just a great way to be able to communicate what it is and so if you were trying to communicate there’s another person who brought the fact if you’re communicating to an alien somebody from mars the alien it’s a thought experiment if if they came here and they’re you had to explain what a hot dog is from scratch right which i guess you would have to also explain what a sandwich is from scratch but to be able to compare those two concepts by saying hey these things are very similar they have leavened bread there is meat again not all sandwiches have to have yeah but meat is part of a stereotype of a sandwich sure that that is close enough to be able to describe that concept to somebody from another culture and so understanding the usefulness of being able to communicate the fact that a hot dog is a sandwich because it shares so many characteristics to a sandwich yeah and then combine that with the idea of definitional dualism that kimberly brought shout out kimberly annalise’s friend yeah yeah because she really messed my mind on this because she brought up the classification of tomatoes yeah i remember that which you and i have talked about on the podcast before i didn’t really vibe with that sorry kimberly and sebastian you guys are great but i just couldn’t really vibe with that the reason that it really jived with me is that i used to be unwilling to call a tomato a fruit because i was like you know the botanical scientific definition of tomatoes i know they have seeds i know they are literally the fruiting part of the plant but yeah when we are talking about tomatoes when you and i are talking about tomatoes we’re talking about it in the culinary aspect of it right sure because it changes right i think it changes but you can also believe both there can be those multiple truths you can believe that in the botanical scientific sense that a tomato is a fruit but you can also understand that in the culinary sense it is classified as a vegetable the latter to me does not necessarily negate the former you can understand that a hot dog has so many differentiating characteristics from what you might think of as the stereotype of a sandwich however you can agree that in a technical taxonom in a texas jesus christ but you can agree that in a technical capacity especially when you’re talking about laws like alexander said that they bear so many similarities to what we call a sandwich that they deserve to be within that category however you can have as many caveats as you want you can have as many lectures about the history and the cultural importance of hot dogs as you want is a hot dog a sandwich yes but followed by five minutes of me being annoying however that yes afterwards is not negated by the following lecture yes a hot dog is a sandwich i’m a throw up i believe in the schrodingerian hot dog hypothesis nicole okay a hot dog is both a sandwich and not a sandwich at the same time depending on who is analyzing it that’s the gut if you are nicole if you ever are a lawyer really not making your hands but they are both true is it a hot dog a sandwich yes is a hot dog not a sandwich it is it is a for the sake of the argument it is a sandwich but a hot dog is a sandwich but a hot dog is not a sandwich no however that also means that the first one is true josh delete delete that delete that a hot dog is a sandwich but that’s that’s it that’s it hot dog is a sandwich butt dot dot dot but that still means a hot dog is a sandwich yeah exactly that’s beautiful okay well we can we cracked the code we cracked it for over six hours do we get there no we don’t get anything for this what did we get this was like willy wonka pride oh what do you want do you want the the ticket to the oscar maya hot dog factory you are free cupid’s hot dogs that was literally in my contract i just get 30 minutes alone at a single wienerschnitzel the one in burbank that serves craft beer oh yeah you told me about that and i can do some damn it 30 minutes that wiener schnitzel oh i’m going right to the beer tap let that kick in over 13 minutes and then it’s right to the chili veg it’s going to take a bath in the chili bag i’m just going to wade my feet in like i do with the hot tub nicole what have you learned over the last five weeks okay i’ve learned that if i allow myself to absorb information i can have the right answer if i just stop if i just open my ears and listen to people and you know i can stay true to my convictions sure i can stay true to myself but also there’s no problem with listening to other people and seeing what their opinions are and being swayed that’s fine and that’s okay you don’t need to think of yourself you need i need to think this way 100 of the time no that’s not a way to live that’s not a way to function in the society you need to listen to other people’s opinions take them for what they are and create your own hypothesis and if it wasn’t for five to six hours of constant hot dog information being smushed into my ears then i wouldn’t have come up with a hot dog being a sandwich i again i hate saying it but it is it is what it is a hot dog is a sandwich it frustrates me but it’s true and that’s what i learned i learned that i can do anything i set my mind to did we come up with an answer that’s going to satisfy literally anybody no i don’t think so but did nicole you’re satisfied nicole grow personally yeah yeah she does that’s the whole that’s why i’m here this is a personal thing okay anytime i do anything chances are i’m doing it for myself okay welcome to narcissism 101. i’ve learned that if i don’t start a cult i’m going to join one and so it’s almost in my best interest to just start one now yeah yeah because anybody that convinced me of one fact i immediately switched my mind see ya but then when left alone for half an hour i went no i’m the one that’s right my ideas are best um and i don’t know but i mean honestly a very big thank you i learned so much from every single guest that we had from every person that we sat down except for the people that talked about a hot dog being a taco i learned nothing from you they have they have their reasons for their thinking i don’t agree with it but they have their reasons anywho i learned a lot from people uh like you said this really was a personal quest totally and i’m incredibly grateful nicole for you being here by my side oh thanks pushing me anytime pushing my boundaries pushing boundaries of this podcast yeah i’m that’s it i’m a pusher i push people josh and then incredibly grateful to everybody who listened but you know nicole what’s up this wouldn’t be an episode of a hot dog as a sandwich without opinions are like casseroles [Music] hi nicole first up we got at papa sasquatch sonora dogs also known as mexican hot dogs are the best no discussion and yes i believe hot dogs deserve mayo it’s a match made in yummy heaven i don’t mind mayo on my hot dog are these bacon wrapped yeah chances are they’re bacon wrapped yeah if they’re talking about sonora dogs which are a cousin to the hot dogs they serve on the streets of l.a outside of concert venues bars all that but sonora dogs are typically served they’re big in uh tucson arizona i mean also they come from sonora mexico of course sure but they’re in a boleo it’s like a big um i don’t know almost like a french roll very crusty not a hot dog bun they got a scoop of beans in the bottom oh yum yeah oh and then the top like uh hot dog avocado cabbage i mean salsa verde mayonnaise ketchup mustard whatever you want uh they’re really fantastic but when they got to la people started making them in hot dog buns the hot dogs are bacon wrapped as well and there’s no beans in them typically no no there’s uh there’s peppers onions and peppers yeah peppers i like those yeah yeah i like those the ones like the hollywood bowl yeah those are the best ones so to me mayonnaise is not good on a hot dog mayonnaise is good on the toppings on a hot dog but if it’s a naked hot dog mayonnaise doesn’t go on but there’s a bunch of toppings the mayonnaise is good i just got chills all over my body thinking of just mayonnaise hot dog bun oh i tried it i tried it it was not good just got chills all the way they have the same flavor to them i don’t know how to describe it it’s that tang i get what you’re saying they have a very similar chemically taste like salt tang and cream cream salt and cream salt tang green new rmp man saltine cream get the money um god i’m too white that was gross jesus do you want to take that back oh yeah it was embarrassing you’re like 36 chambers right that’s what it is 36 chambers i don’t even know okay next up at dollar d-o-l-a-r says the only hot dog i’ll eat is 7-eleven spicy bite for everything else i’d rather eat sausage over a hot dog i’ve never had this never oh i’ve had it um and i have i have a thought this might be controversial i know we tried to write the rules of hot dog hood i believe that if it’s a spicy hot dog it’s no longer a hot dog it is in fact a different type of sausage uh link a hot link no i think maggie’s laughing at me but no i actually believe this because hot dogs they um someone brought up the uh what the supreme court or at least one opinion on the supreme court considered pornography which is you know it when you see it they brought that up in relation to hot dogs which some consider that to be just a miscarriage of justice and that never should have been written down it was wholly inappropriate from supreme court justice and i tend to agree with that but hot dogs the spicing is something that’s unique because there are other emulsified sausages right yeah you know you have not knock wurst for instance knock worse there’s an emulsified sausage but it’s a knock horse because it has its own internal codices on it right there’s different spices made with different meats then a hot dog i believe a hot dog once it gets spicy is no longer a hot dog and is another type of sausage i don’t agree with that chili pepper hits it no longer i don’t agree with that at all there i’ve never had a hot dog from 7-eleven oh yeah sorry i forgot what we’re talking about several one spicy bite pretty good never had it never had a hot dog i’ve never had a hot dog from 7-eleven good well they keep them they just keep them hot in little rolly bins for like 24 hours right and they shape all their other foods like hot dogs so they can fit on the rolls yeah i get that that makes sense i’m excited they got a fried chicken hot dog they have they have hamburgers that are in plastic bags they do yeah they eat but they used to have a hot dog shaped hamburger called the cheeseburger big bite oh see that sounds good it was pretty nice it’s pretty nice a lot of just gooey it it’s like a gusher filler it’s like a beef gusher filled with cheese do you know what i like wetzel dogs that’s a it’s a pretzel dog which is not a hot dog no it’s separately that’s a dumpling oh it is a dumpling yeah i agree yeah the raw the raw dough is wrapped around the filling it’s a dumpling wrestle dog’s dumpling good news eight part series coming next all right at white tip row says the amount of pork in a hot dog is directly proportional to the number of toppings that taste good on the hot dog more pork more good topping options uh example mango salsa doesn’t work on an all beef hot dog okay i agree with this entirely this is to mask the pork flavor well no i think pork is a more malleable flavor than beef it’s not to mask the pork flavor it’s that the pork flavor is already masking itself huh do you have mango like mango salsa on like i don’t like mango salsa don’t think about something else like uh salsa verde so um you salsa verde let’s say salsa i like salsa verde right imagine that on like a lighter colored lighter flavored pork hotdog as opposed to the very aggressive like hebrew national i wouldn’t do that i wouldn’t reach for that well on a pork or beef pork why i don’t like pork hot dogs i like i like all beef hot dogs no but if you don’t like pork hot dogs all the more reason to put mango salsa on them i don’t like mango sauce no one’s forcing you to eat the mango salsa don’t you guys keep bringing up mako sauce i don’t like it any mango sauce i don’t even like any mango salsa i don’t like peaches i don’t know i like pineapple salsa get out of here no it’s always a place that’s charging nine dollars for tacos serving in the little metal holders i very rarely had any mango salsa that i enjoyed yeah they put like corn syrup in it ew okay iron and license says there’s no reason for a double dog not to exist we have double patty burgers i want a double dog no there’s there’s like very good reason for a double patty burger to exist but double dogs not to exist i would okay why go ahead because tell us why the goal hamburger patties they stack right like they’re so good hot dogs no but they don’t they’re they’re round if hot dogs were say square then they would stack perfectly okay but like what if you just okay here hear me out what if you just slice every single hot dog in half and then you stack it on top like lincoln logs yeah you could do and i you know i probably had i want to do that well you can i mean nobody’s stopping you but i don’t know no one’s stopping iron and license either yeah i’m sorry is that insane yes you’re right i’m sorry it’s iron and incense not iron and license i don’t know how to read it i cannot read i would do this i love the idea of a double dog day well but there’s also a reason for double patty burgers to exist which is that you can get more cheese i understand that but what’s what’s the point of a double dog just get a bigger hot dog the whole point is you get your gushy seer see your gucci sear yeah yeah i get that hot dog center yeah it’s different i i see that i see that why don’t you just uh butterfly you can also butterfly yeah but i don’t think you need two tubes are there only two fallopian tubes i think i think there’s only two fallopian tubes all the women in the room are are ferociously because we don’t know i don’t know i i’m pretty stupid if i had to guess i’d say like i’d say seven to nine no they have to be even numbers where do they come because there’s one on each side yes they’re both lefties all right does anybody only have two annalise is drawing the path of fallopian tubes some people can have one fallopian tube they’re the thing that look like ears in the diagram nothing in the diagram the there’s it’s like a face in the fallopian tubes of the ears there was no face it is a vagina i know but the the bagina it it’s if you look at it sorry just say the word it’s a ginger it’s like a word yeah those are ears emily’s let the record show annalise is showing us a picture of a vagina and it has ears which are the fallopian tubes a drawing up not a picture what those are over wait which are the tubes the two the two the tubes are the cartilage the tubes of the cartilage god go back to the tubes of the top of the ears go back to seventh grade gosh listen i know about women all right absolutely not neither do the women in the room at photographic mem hot dogs must be grilled no boiling or pan frying sorry josh apology not accepted it’s the only way to get a ripper but it’s not the only way to get a ripper where it gets so nice and sharp the skin rips open for crevices no actually a ripper is a new jersey specialty where the hot dog is thrown directly into a fryer that is the proper ripper i renounce you um okay i like grill dogs i like i love to pan fry my hot dogs i don’t know what you’re talking about food graphic mem i love a pan seared hot dog yeah you got a ripper you can get a ripper doing anything do you know is does ripper mean something well the remember is where the skin rips oh i hope not i don’t know what you’re saying i don’t know it’s where the skin the the the casing bursts oh i mean i don’t look i don’t necessarily search for that in a hot dog experience i just kind of enjoy it regardless i love paying for my hot dog you can’t take that from nicole i read the next one what’s this shut up trevor m low says a mini corn dog is just an excel american ravioli okay uh oh uh oh i have an upsetting opinion oh no not again what is it josh corndog’s a tamale shut up on it’s a wet it’s a wet cold you’re wet you’re a wet i am wet this is the first podcast that i haven’t sweat well it’s because it’s pulling it’s pulling i was like you’re in a room with just me and i don’t make you nervous not anymore butterflies are gone that’s so sad i don’t actually think it’s a twilight well maybe it’s a tamale it’s not a ravioli because it’s it’s a 11 what better way i’m just going to let you do you just go ahead last one last one at nordic dove dove it could be dove like a nordic person dove into the waters of the hot dog debate you know nordic dove says my fiance feels a hot dog is wrapped in a tortilla is superior to a bun tacos con weenie nicole what say you me gusta make us to tommy con huevos puedo yo puedo uh huevo in [Laughter] okay no problem is that a challenge see okay gotta quickly go to babble.com no no no looking enough um gracias por tus escuchar a hot dog is a sandwich two carrots the mythical kitchen uh tango uh nuevo episodes wednesday no thursday no monday we gotta know how to say wednesday [Laughter] is right in the middle it’s okay and el emelio edermedio es medio e i love it you just keep going i think we should do one in english for safety and on that note thank you for listening to a hot dog is this sandwich if you wanna hear more from us here in the mythical kitchen we got new episodes for you every wednesday if you want to be featured on opinions or like casseroles you can hit us up on twitter at mythicalchef or at handyzada with the hashtag opinion casserole and for more mythical kitchen check us out on youtube 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