ramble hey Stevie here you’re gonna want to check out the latest episode of best friends back all right where we sit down with our friend Jason Siegel to talk all things High School okay Jason I pulled up your Wikipedia page so I know like supposedly what your nickname was in high school Dr Dunk doctor so the newspaper called me Dr Dunk because I had a particularly nice game or something and uh or something my dad like my Dad loved the nickname Dr Dunk so he went and got me this hat with Dr Duncan broider but because it’s cursive and the guy wasn’t that good it looked like Dr Dirk so I I would wear the hat around because it meant a lot to my dad but everyone thought I was wearing a doctor Dirk hat so I had like kind of a branch off nickname you can catch best friends back all right everywhere you get podcasts what’s the difference between a barbecue and a cookout and why doesn’t anyone invite me to any of them you know why oh my God that was one time this is a hot dog it’s a sandwich ketchup is a smoothie yeah I put ice in my cereal so what that makes no sense hot dog is a sandwich a hot dog is a sandwich Welcome to our podcast a hot dog is a sandwich the show we break down the world’s biggest food debates I’m your host Josh air and I’m your host Nicole anayadi and Nicole this like all good ideas came from a stranger on the internet complaining at me Oh I thought it was just you no well okay this is a topic that we talked about discussing because the term barbecue it is it’s a little bit confusing people think they know what it means then if you actually press them for a definition and this happened because I I think we were doing the busting hot dog myths episode on the mythical kitchen YouTube channel okay and I said yeah when I go to a barbecue I like to and somebody said stop calling it a barbecue that’s a cookout but for me I grew up calling any sort of outdoor grilling large Gathering a barbecue but if you were to actually ask me what does barbecue mean I’d be like well obviously it is a an indirect cooking method of low and slow heat using live fire that generally you know dates back to a lot of black American Cooking innovation in let’s say like the 1600s but I’m still going to a barbecue and Grilling up some dogs on a propane grill and drinking 19 Coors Lights baby yeah finding the definition is going to be difficult but I’m glad we’re on this journey together just you and me Nicole I think it’s going to be complicated well what do you think it is if you had to just make a definition of barbecue right now a bar well a barbecue or barbecue let’s just say barbecue I know I agree going to a barbecue and eating barbecue are two different things if you mean if you go to uh somebody is Manning a propane or womaning a propane grill or non-binary English and you can do anything to a propane grill you want to do um gender not specific but in somebody’s like grilling up hot dogs and you got a bunch of chips and potato salad out there what do you call that event a good day at the park I don’t necessarily I personally in my like lexicon I don’t use the word I’m going to a barbecue later I just say I’m gonna go hang out at a friend’s house and chances are they have a Traeger grill interesting or two but you don’t you don’t have a name for that specific event you wouldn’t we’re just gonna go kick it yeah I mean like the word barbecue is not in my in my it’s not in my vocabulary as much as it should be but if I’m gonna say let’s say I’m gonna go to like a barbecue spot like a barbecue joint like blood cells or a slab which are two very delicious barbecue spots that’s different like I’m going to eat barbecue I don’t go to barbecues it was funny when you said kick it that run I got into a debate once about the difference between quote a kickback and a party this is a great okay okay Segway I am down to also dissect this if you would like because a kickback and a party a kickback and a party and there’s one other one what is the other one there’s one other one I don’t know I only go to Kickbacks and buddies and sometimes you go to a kickback that’s actually a party a pre-game pregame free game yeah and then the pregame turns into a kickback game and that evolves into a full full party but no okay so barbecue if we break down the root word of it because I think this is really important this to me is a very historical one um the etymology it comes from the Arawak language uh which is from the Taino people that were all across the Caribbean and South America you go to Guyana Suriname uh that’s where they speak in this language but on the island of Hispaniola uh they had a word uh barabiku which referred to a framework of sticks that they would set next to an open fire so you know like you ever see the chef’s table episode with Francis malman old guy that cooks over like a flame only yeah yeah and he’ll like build a fire on like the ice sheets of Patagonia and just like stick a lamb it looks like the lamb is crucified and just puts it like next to the fire yeah does he like have young lovers yeah he’s like yeah he’s one of those guys making love to a woman she’s exactly like I’m gonna fire yeah yeah dude I don’t know from your Nicole is a woman yeah is that stuff cool or is that weird because I got to keep it I was watching it okay cool but I also think Khal Drogo is like the essence of manly so I don’t know my barometer is off well he’s hot he’s hot that’s you know uh him so the the the Taino people they would make these barabikus and then the Spaniards got there they’re like yo that’s a pretty goddamn good way to cook up an animal and so the term Barbacoa in Spanish which yeah which you know go to Chipotle the most autentico Mexican restaurant uh no but like uh Barbacoa literally refers to digging a pit generally filling it with coals covering like a whole lamb say in uh the Mage leaves the the agave plant sure uh and then cooking it directly over fire so like that’s where they get that from uh and it’s funny I was actually on the rest I was on the website of my favorite Barbacoa Restaurant which is what it’s called aquias Tex Coco where is that and it started in Mexico now it’s like a mini chain and they open one in like Chula Vista that I’ve been to but they just specialize in rad and there’s one in LA but it’s like kind of deep cut place but they do whole lamb Barbacoa the OG way and they’ll also do like whole rabbit Barbacoa it’s pretty cool I love the idea of of someone coming from a foreign country and just like expanding same expanding into the U.S dude El Pollo Loco like like El Pollo Campero Pollo Campero from Guatemala like there’s there’s so many stories like that that just bring me joy like truly and the fact that they make rabbit and lamb do they do beef Barbacoa I don’t think they do beef because like no because who does beef only Chipotle does beef and like pretty much other people actually barbecue it does mean in other regions a whole cow’s head that is cooked yeah that’s true yeah right and so it’s a regional thing yeah Barbacoa just has a bunch of different uh but Barbacoa just mean barbecue Barbacoa barbecue yeah no it makes sense it makes sense and on Ikea’s text Coco’s website it literally said uh mole is the OG barbecue sauce and I was like yo that’s pretty rad because we’re so used to eating it on like boiled uh boiled chicken that’s kind of like how I have it when I um but we’re used to having but like cooking animals over fire like if you were to Define what barbecue is a lot of people would say that right using smoke using indirect heat to cook animals if you use that definition then like people have been barbecuing for literally over a million years apparently is when humans started to cook their food I believe that humans became more human once they started cooking their food there and there’s reason for that did you did you read sapiens we talked about this I did not read sapiens but my dad sends me Snippets of sapiens in order for me to become a marginated person but I don’t really listen to I just kind of skim through and if I see like I don’t know like some image that interests me I like stay on it I’m like nine hours into the book on Jacob sapiens it’s it’s it’s very fascinating should I start reading it I’m also falling asleep while I’m driving and speaking of my safe Hazard but that said uh what I learned from sapiens is that the reason humans started cooking meat was because one we got Big Brain energy yeah sure physically we have bigger brains than every other animal right and brains really yeah and it takes a lot more uh Power to just fuel the brain so you need more food comparatively to other animals the reason Lions can eat like once every four days whatever and we gotta keep shoving food down our gullets every day yeah the reason I eat like meatballs every three hours you know just keeping brain going because it’s so big but if you cook food you’re effectively pre-digesting it oh sure and so like if you were to just suck down raw meat it would literally take longer it would cause more energy to expend while you’re digesting and so cooking was literally just a way to start breaking the food down getting it and getting more of it in US faster so barbecue makes us more evolved barbecue literally helped us evolve that’s incredible and you see I mean you see a barbecue represented in the Bible you know what I mean every they’re talking about uh uh burning um carcasses to uh sacrifice to God you know like the Leviticus has Leviticus literally barbecue or is that just a second question here that’s the question no but they would do you eat the sacrifice well no but the point is you’re not supposed to eat it because it’s a sacrifice but you’re making the best parts for God that’s what I that’s what I believe that’s my version of Judaism when does he come up and get it when do you think no but they literally I think describe like the the pleasant Godly Aromas floating up Frozen grilled me really interesting yeah yeah I had no idea that barbecue was in the Bible yeah I mean like they don’t use the exact word well you said it so now I believe it uh Welcome to My Life Josh you say it and I believe it but now and then there’s a you know massive tradition of predominantly black American pit Masters dating I mean centuries ago and you know continuing now I’m thinking like Rodney Scott for instance cooking a whole hog barbecue and Caroline is doing incredible work uh and so you know you now have this modern interpretation of barbecue uh which is very regionally specific so you’ll get Daniel Vaughn from Texas monthly he is a full-time barbecue editor so cool what a cool job what a cool freaking job but he wrote an article that was just called what is barbecue and he was talking about how pit masters from North Carolina are like the the only barbecue is Whole Hog cooked over an open pit and then people in Texas like no no it’s got to be cow meat it’s got to be pure beef and it’s got to be cooked in an Offset Smoker huh so even if you’re like not one of the people who thinks that yeah cooking hot dogs on a grill is barbecue and you know there’s still a lot of like uh hardliners who think that their style is the only way I guess we call it grilling when I think about it like we’re gonna go Grill stuff sure is grilling stuff barbecuing stuff well so uh What uh I was reading um his name is Meathead Goldwyn he’s just a legendary barbecue is that his Christian name it doesn’t his name’s Craig but if you if you get a moniker like meat head and you’re in the middle yeah yeah you’re not doing that what’s what would my nickname be but he was also known as like one of the worst flops in NBA history so but it was meant as a he would say it very excited he’d be like big country and I’d be like hey Rob good to see you so why do you just call you like I don’t know like uh Botswana that’s a big country that’s a big country I do have a Botswana tank top because I love their four by 400 meter relay team you do yeah I call you Botswana Nigel Amos came back from injury this year Isaac McCoy great don’t care God dang it don’t freaking care [Music] Josh I have something crazy to tell you oh my god what it’s crazy that most people literally use paper to clean themselves after using the bathroom that’s like so disgusting and like a bit Antiquated I mean think about it do we ever use paper in paper alone to fully clean and disinfect other things that have literal feces on them that’s what I’m saying it’s crazy that in 2022 we have high-tech Innovations like sous-vide machines and yet people are still cleaning their butts the way our Victorian brothers and sisters did with toilet paper some people still use corn cobs that’s dumb get with the program and upgrade your bathroom routine and start washing your butt with hello tushy bidets whenever I use my Toshiba day I feel like I’m living in 30 22 or at least my asses it feels great your ass girl in The 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some could consider direct Heat versus indirect heat right so like grilling for instance right you take the coals you’re burning wood down until they’re coals they stay hot and you put a grate above them yes and you cook the meat directly on that grate yeah right that sounds a lot like grilling but that’s also what an open pit in North Carolina looks like well there you go you know what I mean so it’s like but it is kind of direct heat but you move the meat away from that yeah you keep it you keep it real low heat so if you want to call grilling just like high heat high heat cooking okay but then if you think you ever grilled like bone-in chicken breast of course and it just burns on the outside you can’t grill it on a high heat so you got to grill it on low heat and at that point it’s like are you barbecuing but you’re still grilling is does barbecue equate low in slow cooking I think that’s what a lot of people would say which like it makes sense if you are cooking like especially a whole animal which there’s some people who believe that barbecue only means a whole animal yeah you know what I mean it’s accessible it’s not accessible if you do that no but then we also find ourselves you know uh I grew up eating barbecue chicken right like three times a week yeah sure which was we would throw Chicken in an oven and put some Bullseye Barbecue Sauce never heard of it on it and so it’s like there’s still a far cry from that but that’s actually how we ended up in this weird place where barbecue became a word that yeah I mean like well not even a verb but like just a term that everybody is very casually familiar with sure yeah barbecue flavored potato chips yeah we know what that is yeah we know what that is we know what barbecue chicken is we know what barbecue chicken is and a lot of that comes from like the proliferation of outside grilling mm-hmm which I’m really fascinated by because I I don’t know I always kind of assumed people were always grilling on a patio and then like thinking back to the past I’m like I don’t know that that was actually the case well it depends that you grow up in like a house place or an apartment place because you can’t have apartments with grills all the time yeah but yes you still can if you just don’t care about your landlords I’ll tell you what because I have smoked entire racks or ribs oh my God uh no no that’s nice the only time I felt guilty doing something on my patio in an LA apartment was deep frying a turkey on a just on a patio on the second floor it didn’t explode but like there were some tenuous situations where I was like yo if this falls on Ronaldo downstairs I’m screwed why didn’t you just do it on the ground like in the parking lot because Ronaldo was down there and like he he wasn’t doing so hot um and he he sometimes was just like naked oh very old man and sometimes he just wander around naked and he’d like want to talk to you but you wanted to put hot oil over here no I’m saying I didn’t want to like go down there and start deep frying a turkey and then Ronaldo comes out naked and starts like yelling at me you know like like balls out sometimes he just had uh shopping carts just filled with I mean hundreds of wine bottles and he would just like keep them he was one of those old men yeah I love old men but not that kind of he just you know he was trying his best he lived an interesting life you know he his family owned Apparently one of the first Mexican restaurants interesting neighbors you have sometimes I have very interesting when you need to find a very cheap apartment okay but like no like see like I never see what we did we never like we never went to barbecue we would just literally package our Burger and our hot dogs and maybe some chicken and then we would also take cap of meat and then put that on a grill too so like we were like are you talking like in a public park yeah yeah that’s the way we like to do it that’s where I had barbecues growing up yeah but I don’t know if I call them barbecues I know it feels rude and disrespectful I agree with that I agree Masters that are in there they’re in deep and like they’re their whole lives are dedicated to smoking delicious meats and it’s like me and my mom are just like putting oil on a side no I know I know like but but I guess it is barbecuing right is it barbecuing or is that just Grill it some people would say it’s not some people would say it is but if you like what’s a carne asada yeah carne asada is the best freaking time is that grilling for barbecuing well okay so that’s really interesting right because barbecue is despite coming from Spanish despite coming from the Arawak language barbecue is I would argue the most American food right it’s our deepest American food tradition what other food could you say is uniquely American I don’t think America has anything uniquely like mac and cheese even though the first word in that is very Italian no no the I mean I mean indigenous food sure yeah I mean like cornbread and what goes better with barbecue than cornbread right like for real like yeah no barbecue yeah and a lot of Thanksgiving dinner that’s the most American thing I can think of yeah pretty much and then that kind of didn’t come to later and that was a very like sort of politicized barbecues like the OG American food so whatever wow okay but now we’ve exported the idea of barbecue elsewhere I have a question you say it’s the most American food but didn’t everybody do that kind of cooking anyways all around the world so isn’t it just right so calling it American is kind of like dumb no no I agree no no I agree no no but everyone did it so why are we calling it American whenever like people were doing it all over the place I know that’s that’s why I wanted to explore this thing okay correctly because like so okay so um mini Kebab one of our favorite restaurants in London God shout out to the the martirosians um uh Armin he started a uh Taco pop-up they make the best flame grilled kebabs that I’ve ever had probably um in the wood they cook it with you’re talking about you know a very American tradition of barbecuing you take the Trees of the area right Texas uses White Oak sometimes they use pecan wood Mesquite in the southwest very Regional you barbecuing Cherry I guess like Cherry would smoke stuff yeah okay what that’s the older one but uh Armin from Armenia he was like yo in Armenia we would typically use uh dried grape Vines and he’s like I couldn’t find him anywhere here until I like found this Armenian farmer who was growing them and we drive up an hour to like literally clip grapevines let them dry out a little bit and so like and he’s cooking dark meat chicken it’s it’s Kebab but like pretty freaking low and slow and tender over live burning Grapevine finds the terwar of Armenia and I’m like bro that’s barbecue that’s barbecue does he call a barbecue certainly not no let’s call it there’s a kebab dude he’s making kebabs yeah you know what I mean see it’s just so hard like this whole podcast whatever we discuss like what things actually mean like if a hot dog is a sandwich what is barbecue is the ocean of soup like we’re just looking at this all from being like two American kids I know sure sure which makes it so insular and hard for me to like accept but also for me really beautiful because you kind of like look you extrapolate the things you grew up with to the rest of the world what I’m fascinated with okay so we’re talking about barbecue being a very American very artisanal art the best barbecuers are like they’re Gods in my mind not sure you know deify people in the food industry more than they already have I mean they just they just practice their craft for years and years and years and they know what they’re doing yeah and it’s and it pays off in your freaking mouth oh my gosh yeah whenever I went to Texas I Terry Black’s Barbecue and it was so good dude when I when I went to snows I mean Franklin La Barbecue Michael um but it’s funny if you look at a majority of Americans there was a poll from yougov they asked about 8 000 American adults quote what main dishes are part of your ideal barbecue plate select all that apply what do you think the top two dishes were oh potato salad or mac and cheese no like Meats pulled pork no uh ribs no no chicken nope on the top two fish burgers and hot dogs baby oh shoot so most people when they think of you know part of your ideal barbecue yeah they think a barbecue is cooking you know Burgers oh well yeah that’s because that’s their definition of barbecue sure and that’s just the American definition I was trying to find out like where this idea came from and I found an incredible article from 1956 food writer Clementine paddleford she traveled to the West she like yeah right Clementine paddleford is the most 1950s journalist name yeah you’ve ever heard um but she traveled to the west coast of the U.S to like I don’t know sort of catalog this new like American Home Ownership Domesticity and what it looked like in the west coast okay uh and she said everywhere the barbecue no longer a new thing once a fad now a solid in the way of Home entertaining I doubt if ever again fried Meats will be in the running almost every Western Home has an outdoor barbecue and usually a second built in the kitchen for cold weather use now the barbecue moves into smart dining rooms and restaurants charcoal oiled meats are featured served from the barbecue centered in the dining room presided over by a chef and a high hat this is in the 50s so it was like you know this proliferation of the outdoor barbecuing thing that kind of took it away from say the public Barbecues in Fort Worth Texas in 1885 or they’d just dig giant pits and cook whole animals to the town they were like trying to sort of sell this um I don’t know kind of outdoor kind of rugged thing more men were coming home from the war learning what their role in the house was of course this is during the madman era so there’s a lot of marketing behind the barbecues bottled barbecue sauce in 1940 Nicole just came out from Heinz give me that and so yeah I got Jesus like guzzle down bottled barbecue sauce yeah you really do um but I’m saying like uh that to me is when this sort of definition switch to just yo we’re cooking outside we’re barbecuing we’re putting barbecue sauce on our on our Burgers on our chicken that’s barbecuing so it like doesn’t you know isn’t necessarily faithful to what I’d say the OG definition from all these beautiful Artisans making their delicious foods but it is something that’s like in the Lexicon well my question messages again again with the international definition like Korean barbecue I know that’s another big Japanese barbecue freaking Yakitori let’s talk about Korean barbecue oh I love it because that one I do love it if y’all to describe Korean barbecue to people who may have never had it okay so uh you go with your number one you have to go with your friends okay yeah you gotta roll deep and you gotta go with the crew of at least four or more and you just sit around a table and there’s a grill in the middle of your table and you are given raw meat to cook normally raw meat I mean yeah and uh you are told to cook it yourself and you do at a high heat sometimes you can go lower but it’s normally just the servers always try and turn the heat down for it and then and then you say no yeah yeah yeah no it’s a it’s a battle Yeah and then they and then um and then you just pick up the meat and you eat it yourself and it’s really Damn Delicious Japanese barbecue is also very similar to gyukaku shout out I love it like like those like what are those if those aren’t barbecue then what is right so yeah that’s what I’m fascinated about the word barbecue and how it’s now right when like transposed around the world yeah so when I ordered lunch from a Thai restaurant we’re getting it catered for a shoot I ordered the Thai barbecue chicken and it was chicken that had been cooked for a long time low and slow over an open flame just stained with turmeric and galangal and God dang it it’s so good but it’s like is that technically barbecue it’s El Pollo Loco barbecue Alpha Pollo al Carbon I mean is it low and slow over live fire over coal if we say it is it gonna be okay and then but again like the Mexican term for barbecue like someone when we were talking about is a hot dog a sandwich and people are like hot dogs a taco and people like yo you know in Mexico we got like thorthas we got sandwiches we literally called sandwiches we have samitas we have pambassas we have all that and so like in Mexico it’s like yo their barbecue is literally the OG word Barbacoa right and so for them like putting chicken that’s an asada right so what’s the difference between asada and Barbacoa asada is just cooked on a grill Assad is like cooked on an open grill and Barbacoa is cooked in what’s typically a Dugout pit I mean now if you’re in a restaurant you’re probably making it you know in a more efficient easy way to make money for a restaurant yeah but so like if once you go even just one country south you’re getting entirely definition different definitions of what barbecue is that’s so fun too so you can but then you get Korean barbecue which you know they’re not calling it barbecue in Korea what do they call it in Korea I don’t know Maggie can you look it up like what is Korean barbecue called in Korean I have a feeling that whenever my husband went to Korea with like all his homies it’s kbbq do they call it that I guess to the Americans they do so it translates to it literally translates to to grilled meat I suppose but then even the term grilled is right really open-ended like a kind of like a grilled cheese that’s just cooked in a pan grilled cheese isn’t even grilled I know some people confused grilled and griddled they’ll say fried to mean something in a pan a lot of these terms of nebulous the interesting thing with Korean barbecue is you’ll go to some places um I think it’s a place called suitable Jeep I believe in L.A I’m sure sure where they do it with live coals I think really I think you do it with a great and live coals that’s right uh and so you’re actually cooking on live coals but then a vast majority are it’ll either be you know a gas flame and then like a just a metal plate with a little bit of grapes in it sure some places I want to one place that was like a slightly slanted cast iron wow I like I like the ones I like the stones that they come and yeah with the radish yeah like that are my favorite yeah this place had the cast iron they also they had an all-you-can drink option oh yum um for like 60 like you can eat all you can drink and turns out you do not need you do not need both it should be one or the other it should be one of the I went with Kevin rig and we were and he and I can can eat and drink like freaking crazy and that was a bad time that sounds like excess oh man we just wanted just blindness that’s crazy but then okay so we’re talking what’s up sorry I like this topic I do too I’m so I’m so intrigued I’m trying to find the light but I don’t know we don’t have that much time in this podcast to find the light maybe I don’t know I don’t know if there is any light to be found I think maybe this is just a celebration of all the cultures that like to grill meat over live wow I love the way you frame that you know honestly you’re right and I’ll stop all need a barbecue yeah what is it we don’t need to I’m not married to it what is with us constantly defining crap like maybe we just gotta let things be as they are and just you said celebrate them like I freaking love all these examples of barbecue that we have on our on our sheet like but you know you know what I like about this what is that this is a way to find commonalities sure right to say like what is barbecue let’s look at all the cultures that do stuff Dory chicken yeah it’s live coals in a in a clay uh ceramic oven is you’re just a good ass tandoori chicken of course off-road unreal but I don’t know if I would call that barbecue that’s that’s being probably not oven baked no that I mean that that’s that’s Tandoori baby okay but that said one of my favorite don’t call it barbecue it’s live cool nah man you cook it in a Tandoor a Tandoor is a Tanger sorry uh Yakitori yeah I just said yokitori you said it oh my bad so I mean Yakitori is I mean it’s cooked over really high heat which is part of it but like experiencing the pure flavor of like a binchotan Japanese charcoal you know that is special that’s something really special brushing out the soy and my favorite thing about all this is now you get people because American barbecue the thing we’re really talking about is something special whether it is absolutely cooked over an Offset Smoker which is to say you have the wood smoking in a separate component that is then moving the air over the meat in another chamber sure you know which is Texas barbecue I believe is big on offset smokers um or you’re using the live wood over an open pit doing that low and slow and getting a ton of smoke penetration which to me is the biggest difference is the penetration of smoke yeah you don’t get that everywhere no and I’m trying to think of other and some people may not exactly like that um but that to me is like a defining characteristic and now America being the Melting Pot that it is you get a bunch of like diverse pit Masters who are like yo we make this sausage in Cambodia right with like fermented pork and chilies and galangal and lemongrass and yeah thank you thank what if I cooked that in an offset smoker and made it a hot link right I’m thinking of the best maybe the best barbecue I’ve ever had was there were these uh Vietnamese houstonian pit Masters who came and cooked with Mexican American pit masters from Heritage barbecue cool also a daughter of the Heritage barbecue fam fan of the show big shout out to her I’m sorry I forgot your name but next time I’m at Heritage barbecue but they did this like pop-up together and they were making like smoked brisket like five spice smoked brisket bun me they were doing um punning curry with you know smoked short ribs and they made this like the Cambodian hot link or no no it wasn’t a Kim oh my God no it was a lot oh my god oh Vietnamese like ground beef roll that’s wrapped in Beetle leaf huh and the beetle Leaf gives it right Beetle Leaf they were doing Beetle Leaf smoked sausages Nicole in the American barbecue tradition that is the beauty of this right you know I don’t care how many like uh barbecue flavored things that make no freaking sense you get around the world I don’t care about how many people think that a hot dog you know equates barbecue or how many times I have said that I’m going to a barbecue and I’m really just grilling up some pork chops that I got on manager’s special at the Ralphs yeah yeah the fact that American barbecue is such an institution and is now like inspired people from around the world yeah it’s cool dude dude in L.A right now is making uh besterma cured American smoked brisket is he I want to go to that he hosts like private dinners like can you just take me places you talk about them but you never take me and it makes me sad because you’re always it’s all a Shabbat I’ve known you I do things I do with it Liz I respect your religion it is all well it’s not my it’s my culture but and I don’t listen if I was a better Jews just take me to these damn I go on Friday night and Saturday morning take me good morning I I touched electricity on Saturdays I want that kind of joke bro so what do we learn from this beautiful conversation Josh okay if if you really are to Define barbecue right I want many people have tried who are a lot smarter than me uh I’ll quote Meathead gold one here he said there are many legitimate definitions including verbs nouns and adjectives there’s even a legal definition which we didn’t even talk about but I’m sick of talking about legal definitions after the freaking hot back because we’ll talk about food uh one definition that uh one definition won’t do the job when you cut through the haze ultimately it is smoke that differentiates barbecue from other types of cooking there are forms of barbecue all around the world but it’s the presence of smoke that unifies them all so listen though if you’re closing a charcoal grill you know spray it down a little bit you’re getting some smoke on there if you want to consider that barbecue you can uh I don’t know if I necessarily would that said cooking meat over open fire uh or with the beautiful perfumey power of Lone slow smoking baby one of the most pure pleasures of life smoke means every day [Music] when you hear high quality meals certain ingredients a particular price range do you think of dining out or cooking at home well if you chose quality ingredients with an affordable price that you can 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right first up we got Mary cassette five uh onions are the best vegetables so misunderstood so versatile yeah yeah I love onions I even like onions there’s a lot of you Emily Fleming does not like onions what she says they’re rude what like raw ones raw ones can be intrusive I agree sometimes you get a real stank onion and like you put it on a bagel with locks and you’re like yo that onion is like a little too stank to be here right now um but if you know how to treat onions yeah they’re like literally the best vegetable I agree with that yeah I have a funny story about onions do you want anything oh my God so much please so whenever uh so I had like a big like group of girlfriends and we would all go to Westwood after school okay and then uh one of my friends was gonna meet up with a guy and kiss him for the first time I got away oh yeah and then and then we like like French style okay we’re gonna kiss at the Western parking lot and he was an 818 guy and we were through right now and so it’s kind of like a little bit of an impassioned romance you know what I mean oh my God Montague isn’t capulets man right okay so we all good and now and then uh she she orders her her uh Burgers she goes can I get a burger and then she looks back at us and then looks at the cashier and says no onions please Jesus so that was my onion story did you like listen I will I will beat tongues deep in another person after eating kimchi and just ferment that I do not care I want to be yeah do they kiss of course they kissed I don’t know at the Westwood parking lot back when you were a kid though that was like the kick it spot that’s where you would like hook up no you’d be like one for nine though I’m like bro dude he’s gonna bro he’s gonna kiss her today and then he like you know come back and then be like you kiss he’s like nah dude time wasn’t right so for me I don’t know if it’s different having a group of guy friends you were like one for nine dude I hung out with a bunch of like brutish like Persian boys listen they don’t don’t know what that means they don’t understand like social cues very well they learn the older they get they get better but still really like the social cues are not there um so that was my onion if you soak onions in ice water it can take out the astringency and I really like this Scott Conant is that his name yeah Scott County he doesn’t like red onions um Aaron leasley says beef is not that good and inferior to Wild game such as elk and venison I don’t know what I don’t love elk and venison that much um but I will say I would rather have lamb nine times out of nine than beef lamb to me the more I get older Nicole the more my tastes refine I realize that I just vastly prefer lamb I think the meat is more tender I think I love that strong gamey flavor I love that it smells like blue cheese and grass out the pack I just I really what and I’ll have like like uh right I’ll have beef birria and I’ll be like man this is just significantly less good than uh lamb or goat which are both popular Beauty I mean yeah I just I’m I’m kind of on this I I do not eat that much beef anymore in my own home if I’m cooking red meat I’m cooking pork or lamb I don’t cook a lot of red meat at home but I love red meat and I love eating it so much what’s your what’s your favorite way to prep red meat like what’s your go-to you’re just like just Bistro steak pan seared butter up to me I could eat a steak a day and I would be a happy girl but like my body won’t allow that I did eat like a pound and a half mignon on set the other day and that it became like weirdly trendy and foodie circles yeah yeah well no but I also ate like a pound of dates and so that evacuated everything real fast um but anyway it became like a weird foodie thing to be like filet mignons no good rib eyes are the only way screw that I don’t know man I’m kind of sick of rib eyes I it’s just there’s so much intramuscular fat yeah and there’s sometimes the meat’s pretty tough I love the decal on the outside that little outer ring sure everyone is great um but also the best application of beef is catalog not well no because I would rather have lamb kebab no no they’re fish cabbage no no no no more than beef yeah I do are you kidding me it sits there and people don’t know how to no I hate lamb cows no dude American Boy Texas barbecue that’s all I mean that’s the best expression we get a big old barbecue beef rib oh the dinosaurs I mean Korean barbecue too that’s a great expression of beef that’s really fantastic but I think I think it’s just my rejection of like the American Steak I love I love a good prime rib though dang maybe I do like I love if I could okay I would eat prime rib every day I go I go prime rib over pretty much any steak wow I love primer I love reminding me Sumptuous but not lamb I in Wild game it’s just it’s too lean it’s too lean for my blood I like every now and then changing it up and having like like a bison burger or like you know like having a little bit of a you know venison carpacci like stuff like that is incredible venison tartar is a lovely time yes I do I’ve had oh venison’s great I love it and more people should be eating it you know because it is delicious but nothing beats beef in my house all right add zafrika by Toto cheese and chocolate yeah like what I used to I used to actually um curate cheese and chocolate boards I don’t know remember to have Nicole talking about curating a cheese and chocolate board yeah four dollars and it was four times I’d have four dollars I’ve talked about this four times this is the fourth I don’t know stories all the time and I don’t keep count of your stories but you always repeat let you express yourself must be nice okay yeah I would just pair like cheeses the chocolate Manchego works really well with a 67 dark from like from like you know Madagascar just does I don’t feel like I’d enjoy that that combination it’s not for me and that’s totally fine I love cheese and chocolate together more people should do it I don’t even like a chocolate in my cheesecake that’s me and listen that’s fine you can have your own things um I feel like it should make sense in my mind but it doesn’t I guess I don’t even like because cheese has Umami right yeah it’s acid it’s fat solid tsunami yeah I mean but chocolate has all of those notes too I don’t know chocolate is Umami I don’t think I like Umami chocolate definitely has a source of a mommy in it yeah I believe you but like miso and chocolate I don’t even love I love and a lot and a lot of people like that I like salt and chocolate I love salsa is good but Captain underscore ramius says beer can chicken is the biggest gimmick of all food things I’ve never done this before Oh my God okay so I have written recipes for beer can chicken um I wrote a guide on how to do it at maximum and I think I even called it a gimmick but I was like it’s a cool gimmick yeah so beer can chicken for anybody who doesn’t know I also made a recipe for Malt Liquor chicken which I took a 16 ounce tall boy what Malt Liquor has a lot more sugar in it so it caramelizes nicely but what you do typically you could pour some of the beer out you could brine the chicken in it marinate it whatever but you take the the beer can you shove it in the chicken’s cloaca yes and then you put that on a grill or a barbecue or whatever and so the chicken’s standing up so it has the opportunity to cook and drip down and it’s actually kind of good to stand a chicken up like that and cook it because the breast is getting less heat right because it’s near the top and so that’s actually pretty good but what happens with the beer can people say that oh the beer steams the chicken from the inside and no because if you know anything about the temperature which steam is created 212 212. which like if you’re grilling a whole chicken you would never get to get to 212 you never want to get to the point where you’re boiling that so all it’s doing is insulating the heat wait what are you cooking the chicken what can’t coals get to like freaking like 400 500 Degrees no they definitely can but if you’re cooking a whole chicken the temperature at which it would boil beer wouldn’t make sense hmm I don’t know actually because like chicken’s internal temp right should only get up to what one should is the worst five sure for sure who the hell is making sure their chickens at 155 when they’re grilling bro because you and I are anomalies we’re not the average American we have the average American the only cooking tool you should get is a meat thermometer use your bare freaking hands and get them eat thermometer because my chicken breast is dry there is one way to fix that and it’s temp check you freaking Meats yeah I agree but people don’t do that they don’t do that uh so the beer literally just stops the inside of the chicken from cooking because it’s insulating heat and it’s sucking all of it up trying to get to that 212 and it never does I think we need to do a test on this I agree I don’t mean with your with your with your science Josh this is an alternative science fact it is just it’s such a fun thing though yeah you know to see a beer can shoved in chicken cloak so I get the gimmick okay Josh this is gonna blow your mind did you know that beer can is if you see it in a Jamaican accent it sounds like bacon did you know that you know that I speak in a Jamaican accent I I’m telling you I’m just I never told you to do it I said dude you know that if there was a website devoted to it you’d click on a Rastafarian man’s face really and and one said beer can and one said bacon and he said the same word you never went to that website no there’s another one too it’s the whole website and that’s what we did for entertainment as kids because we didn’t have Tick Tock we just we’d go click on the Rastafarian man and it’s a beer can and then he would say bacon but it sounds the same I just remember badger badger badger mushroom mushroom but that’s just remember that oh sorry okay all right I had scoliosis 07 bananas covered in Sriracha and fish sauce best way to eat bananas oh my God oh my God less and lesson lesson lesson lesson bananas the way that we eat them in America are not is not the only way to eat bananas you know what I mean I don’t know if this is an actual recipe if this dude’s free silent but I watched a video yesterday of a Savory banana Roti being made in Thailand and that was the thing it was just it was bananas and eggs they were making a banana egg Roti and that’s part of it I think we need to you go to Sweden you got the banana Pizza America they’re wrapping bananas and hand Nicole you see what they’re doing with the bananas in America they’re wrapping them in ham that’s what I’m saying it’s not just with peanut butter it’s not just you know in banana pudding and fish sauce isn’t it we’re gonna go try it Josh no why not the sweet the sweet you know playing off this the salty fish sauce it could be good really screwed up in my mind an audible gag for hours just just oh I can’t well I can’t even yeah listen if I actually imagine doing it and I’m trying to put myself in that place that is not a pleasant experience I don’t know what what I would dip cucumbers and fish sauce you know and Sriracha yeah the banana what’s a banana but a yellow mushy sweeter cucumber Nicole I’m going to throw okay hold on composure you got this wolf Jen says I dip my peanut butter and jelly sandwich and chicken noodle soup my friends hate it but it’s the best sweet salty combo I feel like someone else did this too yeah this is a yeah I don’t like it yeah I mean it’s okay I feel like it’s just your childhood like it’s like that’s your comfort food yeah it’s the grilled cheese and tomato soup yeah transposed uh at Tristan h172 I like this one is cheese a loaf of milk absolutely what do you mean of course it is no it’s not to turn meat in a meatloaf you loaf it and you cook it it’s all you’re doing cheese you’re cooking it and then you’re loafing it your lemon said sorry you know with a loaf of milk milk with gelatin in it that’s a loaf of milk because I love milk that’s that’s that’s that’s milk Jello yeah what’s the same thing because milk Jello can’t stand up at other temperatures foreign Mr Morgan blazing says Somalians make everything up yeah no they’re just they’re just they’re like David they’re like magicians they’re like David Blaine out there just lying to your face and David Blaine the first David should you think of I think Copperfield of course I feel like David Blaine lies less than David Copperfield too David Copperfield is so charged the beautiful in his old age he’s incredibly handsome as well David Blaine he made the Statue of Liberty disappear that’s messed up who did that is David Copperfield Man David blade like swallows glasses together yeah see that’s different David Blaine’s just like I’m gonna survive 90 hours submerged in a block of ice and then he just does it that’s not even a magic trick that’s just him being a freaking mad man yeah Copperfield is just like I’m gonna have editors I’m gonna have editors scrub out the Statue of Liberty and that’s the kind of line that sommeliers do to you at restaurants no they’re trying to upsell you on lines are like oh that one that’s really nice but you know if you really want to do one you pay me 70 dollars more David David Copperfield looks like John Stamos except a little uglier look at him oh he’s hot dude he’s a dark featured handsome man angular um no I think somaliers I think they lie a little bit Yeah they lie as much as anybody like you see this tastes like um dandelion from New Zealand and you’re like uh-huh well no here’s the thing I believe that they’re not lying when they say that what I believe they’re lying about is when you go I think I really I think I really taste the minerality and they go yeah that’s when they’re lying to you is when you say wrong stuff and they’re trying to get you know their tip and trying to sell wine so they’re not going to tell you that you’re wrong but again all wine is subjective um but moreover zombies are scamming you in the same way that uh mechanics dentists jewelry salesmen teachers gosh with their gofundmees no I’m kidding fun public education what what’s wrong with you well in that note thank you for listening to a hot dog as a sandwich if you want to hear more from us here in the magical kitchen we got new episodes for you every Wednesday if you want to be featured on opinions or like casserole sorry I didn’t say it last time uh if you can hit us up on Twitter at mythical Chef or and Hindi Zada with the hashtag opinion casserole or if you want you can leave us a voicemail which is really really exciting give us a ring and leave a quick message at 833 dog pod one yeah and for more mythical kitchen check us out on YouTube where we launch new videos every week [Music] here at mythical we’ve been through a lot 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