ramble before you get into today’s episode it’s me trevor everts the host of the podcast trevor talks too much here to tell you about a very special episode we have uh it’s gonna be all me solo not only will i be talking too much by my darn self but i’ll be giving you all a closer look into my mind the window into the inner workings of the mythical swag lord uh so i’ll be talking a bit more about me this particular episode is all about some of the struggles i’ve had coming out of the pandemic social anxiety and how some of these new connections have me kind of looking deeper into my inner self and doing some reflection so don’t forget to be on the lookout for this episode next week by subscribing to trevor talks too much on apple spotify or wherever you get your podcast [Music] cosmic crisp apples cotton candy grapes sugar kiss melons pet cuties are these brand name fruits really worth the extra money or is it just clever marketing designed to sell more the same thing this is a hot dog as a sandwich ketchup is a smoothie yeah i put ice in my cereal so what that makes no sense hot dog is a sandwich a hot dog is a sandwich welcome to our podcast a hot dog is a sandwich the show where we break down the world’s biggest food debates i’m your host josh sharer and i’m your host nicole hendi-zadeh and today we are getting to the bottom of the issue around designer fruit now for those of you unfamiliar this can range from simple selective breeding of different plants something farmers have been doing since the beginning of farming to full-fledge genetic modifications in labs to create downright alien albeit delicious fruit-like objects in a variety of shapes this trend in produce has been the source of price gouging as well with some species selling for hundreds of dollars i know i have a lot of feelings around them but first nicole what you think okay so as a girl who enjoys designer things okay listen if i can okay i’m gonna break it down for you i could buy a pair of black heels for like 20 bucks and be happy about it or i can buy a pair of christian louboutin heels for 800 and no one can know that i’m wearing them other than me and feel good about it same concept with eating a regular green grape and a cotton candy grape my guy okay wait are louboutins the red bottoms that cardi b refers to yes that’s okay i understand that reference um i am someone who my entire wardrobe is exclusively from target an old man this shirt that you see me wearing and you can’t see my shorts they were both for under 20 at target so i am not someone who understands the designer appeal of literally anything except for designer fruits yeah christian louboutin not a sponsor yet we’re getting there nicole we’re going to get you free pairs of red boxes oh my gosh don’t just keep saying that into the universe i will be a happy woman so i’m i’m not you know i’m bougie in my own specific ways i don’t understand designer labels designer fruit don’t you i do understand designer fruit i love them and the reason we’re even talking about this right now is because for whatever reason during quarantine you know how um this is going to take a weird turn you know sometimes pregnant women eat dirt yeah it’s called pica pica right it’s like your body recognizes that it’s missing a certain nutrient and you kind of start eating weird things that you probably wouldn’t eat because say there’s like iron found in soil and stuff like that yes that has been me but with designer fruits in quarantine times for whatever i don’t know if it’s the fact that like since restaurants are closed i suddenly have you know more money that i’m not spending on restaurants so i go to whole foods and i see not only cotton candy grapes that you mentioned are absolutely delicious so they are like green table grapes um i actually did some research on this they were a simple crossbreed of two different grape species and the botanist who developed it is actually trying to recreate original grape flavors that were lost due to like monolithic cultivation and so it’s really fascinating but you eat them and it gives you this kind of like aroma of cotton candy and they’re sold in this neat little package that says cotton candy emblazoned on it and they’re like three times as expensive as normal grapes i run up my cotton candy grapes at whole foods and it was just like a normal sized bag of grapes and it was like 9.50 oh yeah and i was just like well these are my louboutin heels of grapes i mean it’s just it’s just really good marketing but also do you remember learning about punnett squares in school about how like we like like they cross bred like one stalk of peas with another stock are they pea stocks yeah dude we totally had the same textbook i i remember that exact page yeah the scientist named linnaeus yeah and it’s a it’s it’s a square cut into four quadrants and uh it’s the green green green and then in the bottom left corner was a yellow pea stock and then from that like the world changed forever so this is just that times a million billion trillion i just think it’s so interesting how people are willing to spend three times the amount of a regular bag of grapes to buy something that’s designer but aside from the size of this designer it tastes really good and it tastes really unique and i think as humans we always try to find something that’s unique and new and interesting that others haven’t tried before because we just want to be better than everybody else it’s true i agree with that and that’s been like the history of farming in general right like everyone talks about the the bananas that we eat today sure are one specific cultivar because that was what was growing best in guatemala at the time so if you take a banana 100 years ago it’s gonna taste nothing like the bananas i eat today ditto with tomatoes right we talked about this in the pizza episode where people in europe thought tomatoes were poisonous because i remember the nightshade family and i’m sure they looked vastly vastly different than they do today even including the heirloom varieties like they’re nothing like the tomatoes that were grown before yeah watermelons used to be like a quarter of the size full of seeds and like full of like their own little like holes and stuff weird looking weird-looking fruits yeah so like the history of human farming innovation has been from this cross-breeding stuff but like the real innovation for all this is like you said the marketing which is crazy because it my big question if you tasted the cotton candy grapes without the branding of cotton candy if you just bought like normal ass green grapes would you have tasted them and gone ah that’s cotton candy i’m like a kid at the carnival again where i threw up on the tilt-a-whirl and i kissed my best gal on the whatever whirlybird ride no of course not i probably wouldn’t taste the difference in a blind taste i just like these grapes are sweeter yeah i just feel like oh weird grapes yeah these are some weird are these old grapes that’s probably what i would say to myself are these like over ripened grapes oh i have a question for you actually um do they genetically enhance the sweetness of fruits recently is that something yeah well that’s that’s part of the crossbreeding like literally you take the sweetest you know variety of a fruit and then you crossbreed that with another sweet variety of fruit and then you just kind of perfect that technique and you see that a lot with uh with apples actually it’s totally cool what’s your favorite honey crisp honey christmas christmas honey crisp are the best apple on the market and it turns out honey crisps were invented in like 1991 they were a crossbreed of two like somewhat obscure apple varieties and then they found out that when you cross bred them they created a sweeter fruit but not only that they created a juicier fruit because the size of the cells were actually bigger so you’re getting like bigger cell pops in your mouth you eat them but the problem with honey crisp apples is that they don’t ship well and i think it’s because of a large cell structure and the thin skin which makes them so delicious but that’s why the most the most fascinating story in this designer thing and we’re getting to an actual point about society at some time of this but right now i like this to me is like an album hype drop what happened with the cosmic crisp apple so this is an apple that has been in development for the last like 20 years at the washington state it’s literally like an apple husbandry lab they’ve invested almost half a billion dollars into planting these cosmic crisp apples that is a crossbreed of the honeycrisp apple and the enterprise apple they took the sweetest apple in the world and then they took like the sturdiest apple in the world and they’re like what if we can crossbreed them to create a sweet apple that’s sturdy enough to ship and hold and not brown and all that and they put 10 million dollars into a national marketing campaign they called it the cosmic crisp apple which just like sounds absolute fire and i remember going to whole foods and seeing it and i was just like it was like it was like when yeezys dropped yeah you know when everyone was waiting in line at supreme that was me at whole foods except there was no line because i’m the only weirdo who was like stoked on this new apple yours i ate it you were camping out outside of whole foods is what you’re saying yeah hey bro you heard the new cosmic crisp drop i heard i heard that apple sturdy a.m uh and i ate it and i was just like yeah that’s an apple and it was like it was this kind of disappointment that like we have built up nature using you know uh marketing and hype and all this and packaging and it’s like we’re trying to like build just natural things that grow in the world up to this you know incredibly vaunted item and then you try it and you’re like yo that’s just an apple exactly it’s just a fruit but is it worth it is what we’re saying you should talk you know what we should talk about we should talk about the culture the fruit culture in japan yo yeah because they they sell like like million dollar millions million yen that’s a million yen is like nine dollars i don’t know how money works so i haven’t done my taxes the most expensive fruits ever we have a list in front of us the densuki watermelon sold at the sembakaya flagship store in tokyo for 121 dollars can you imagine buying a watermelon for 121 dollars my mom would beat my let’s see sakai ichi apple 21 for a single apple can you believe it i’d do it i would absolutely do that i would i would be that person who was buying a 21 apple and i would feel i would feel no qualms the only way i’ve seen these strawberries that they make in japan yo that’s the only fruit i would spend over fifty dollars to eat twelve of that’s it why what is it like actually try and psychoanalyze yourself what is it about those strawberries that would make you spend fifty dollars to be honest i’m not the biggest fruit person i don’t love fruit i much rather prefer to eat vegetables than fruits but there’s something about pristine beautiful strawberries that are huge and the leaves are green and they’re packaged like in a lovely way and they’re just sitting in this foam that you know it’s good quality foam and just picking it up and like just numbing on a strawberry that was worth more than like i don’t know a steak dinner is like something else but i’m not gonna spend 120 for watermelon never die i would no you don’t want okay here’s my thing so wine right wine people have no problem spending hundreds of dollars on a bottle of wine it’s become like this huge culture but the value of wine it’s like the value of fine art or jewelry or something where it’s literally just it’s nothing it’s like if you set a price i mean certainly there’s you know uh different labor costs that go into wines and different marketing and bottling and all that but like the value is largely completely subjective and as i feel like why not why isn’t fruit treated with the same value as something like wine you know i think i know why i think it has to do with like food scarcity maybe or like the actual like labor that goes into the fruit picking that could be it i think that’s that’s why we might have a little bit of like a what’s it called a stalemate like is that what it’s called like it just doesn’t it doesn’t the value of the fruit and the actual labor that goes into cultivating and foraging the fruit does not match and i think that’s why i’m a little bit resistant to designer fruit but i do love cuties and i’ll eat a cutie okay so you said you’re not a big fruit person i when i was a kid i thought i legitimately hated fruit yeah like that was the thing it was like one of those things i grew up on like i thought i hated salmon and steak just because my parents didn’t know how to cook so i’d only eaten like well done london broil until i was 15 years old gross and like did it with salmon right uh but same with fruit we’re like we only we didn’t have any fresh produce in the house growing up because like my parents were total boomers where they were like excited about the idea of canned foods and prepackaged mayonnaise and stuff and so i only ate canned mandarin oranges for fruit i would eat six cans at a time just packed in sweet syrup and i would take the syrup as a shot afterwards because i was like it’s healthy it’s fruit i’m sure now we know it’s all just packed in sugar and all that but the only fresh fruit i would eat would be like from the school lunch line and they just have the crappiest red delicious apples possible and the like pithiest reindeest oranges that like you’d have to i remember in school just like digging my thumbs into the orange to try and peel it until my thumbnails bled you’d have to bite the outside of the orange to get to it yeah yeah it’s terrible and i think my biggest concern and i’m i want to know if there’s actual like practical application to make the world a better place i guess on designer fruits right and cuties i think are the best example of this in my own life i literally thought i hated eating fresh oranges because of the crappy oranges i got from school and if you know you’re a kid who you’re getting all your information about nutrition and diet and all that from school and you’re like well they’re telling me i got to eat fruit but the fruits they’re giving me like completely suck yeah i don’t want to do it sure but then i remember going to like uh going to ralph’s with my dad and seeing you know these little cuties the clementines which are just a breed of mandarin orange that were originally grown in algeria and they’ve been around for a long long time i didn’t know about them until they slapped like this happy smiling orange mascot that you know might as well have been a kid’s cereal mascot and i was just like i’m a cutie eat me i’m good for you small impressional young boy and then i got him and i was like holy crap these are easy to peel and they’re delicious and i feel good about buying them because there’s an orange freaking smiling at me on the package and so like i don’t know can we use manipulating children to get them to eat healthier i suppose we well we manipulate children to make bad decisions like you know toucan sam on the froot loops box and you know yeah the captain it’s not even captain crunch it’s cap and crunch right captain yeah cap apostrophe did did cap and crunch i did he actually attained that military rank all i know is he’s the face that launched a thousand ships wait is that like a tagline that they have i know i think it’s from a movie about sirens i might be wrong though no i think it’s joan of arc is no some woman had a face that launched the helen of troy thank you joan of arc from potato potato from the iliad from the iliad by homer you were confusing classical greek poetry with like breakfast series oh that’s so me that’s so you that’s so us ryan said although cap and crunch is allegedly a cap and he wears an admiral’s hat that’s stolen yeah he can go to jail he can go to jail for that yeah there needs to be like some sort of doxing campaign on cap and crunch to get him to stop wearing that stuff out there yeah because let’s start an online petition josh we need to strip captain crunch of his military equity to tie him up in the break and get him to answer for his war crimes put him in the brick oh my god captain morgan and admiral nelson will be there on the tribunal to judge him hey hot doggers we wanted to tell you about our exciting upcoming event mythical heck yeah we do mythical is our first ever immersive weekend experience with the mythical kitchen rhett and link and a big old bunch of the mythical crew there’s a carnival a dance party live podcast it’s gonna be huge it’s on october 28th to the 30th in austin texas for one weekend only so you don’t want to miss it check out mythicontickets.com for ticket availability event details and any updates tickets are on sale now including packages chalk full of super exclusive merch and a very special sunday brunch with your favorite mythical crew members and we all know your favorite mythical crew member is nicole over to mythicontickets.com right now to check out availability but like you said we manipulate kids through packaging all the time i remember when i was a kid uh the the biggest thing um toby maguire spiderman we can all universally recognize that that was a fantastic series yeah and well cast and well made and it was fantastic they came out with pop tarts that were like wild spidey berry flavored or whatever okay i had toby mcguire’s face which for me apparently it was very important to buy podcasts with toby maguire’s face on it and they were just these like artificially dyed blue and purple had a vague web pattern on the frosting you know yeah but what if they would have taken toby mcguire’s face and i don’t know slapped it on a head of cabbage i would have i would have bought toby mcguire cabbage when i was 10 years old yeah i think i i mean i think this is a chance where like we need to shift over from advertising for think sugary children foods like pop-tarts and toaster strudels and move it to you know cabbage and broccoli because kids really don’t eat isn’t there like a study that says that kids don’t eat as much vegetables as they used to yeah yeah no it’s just like consistently dropping and that’s you know there’s there are so many reasons yeah for that like as more people enter the workforce there’s just like less time to feed kids totally you know the school system doesn’t actually educate people about you know i remember getting so many lessons about nutrition and like here’s what you should eat and here’s what you shouldn’t eat but there was never any like practical plan sure i’m just like here’s how to cook fresh vegetables here’s how to buy them here’s literally any usable information they’re like hey you should eat fresh fruits and vegetables all right now go to lunch and suck down this melted chocolate milkshake and a piece of pizza and that was like all the instructions that we got isn’t pizza of a vegetable pizza is okay so there is a pizza lobby in america which my backup plan is just to become a pizza lobbyist i don’t know them hold on hold on don’t you dare judge me all right you over here rocking your louboutin heels that money could have gone to charity i don’t have any uh this is the plan there’s the sponsors the pizza lobby in america their primary focus for a period of time i always thought it was to get pizza classified as a vegetable and then i actually started researching this it was already classified as a vegetable the pizza lobby’s job was to get it to be classified as two vegetable they wanted they were so greedy that they wanted pizza to be classified as two servings of vegetables so kids didn’t have to take another serving of vegetables at lunch because that was part of michelle obama’s healthy hunger-free kids act that was like kids have to get at least two servings of vegetables at lunch and the pizza lobby was like yeah that’s a slice of pizza that’s two vegetables and they were like how do you figure and they were like well tomatoes is a vegetable which we’ll talk about that in a different podcast but they were like tomatoes as a vegetable and we used pure tomato paste on our pizza so we’re concentrating the tomatoes into two vegetables oh my gosh that’s really wrong that’s actually so incredibly wrong it makes me physically ill it’s diabolical it’s really what it is that’s screwed up on like another level why don’t you put some mushrooms on the pizza and then it’s a serving of mushrooms that’s how it’s two servings of vegetables you dummies because kids won’t eat it i mean that’s this is it’s always a chicken or egg situation though right it’s like do kids actually hate vegetables or have we made kids hate vegetables by giving them crappy vegetables see i don’t know maybe it’s just well i always think about brussels sprouts whenever i think about gross vegetables because they taste like uh green farts you know wait do you still hate brussels sprouts no i like them a lot now because i learned how to cook them and i learned how to eat them to be honest and you know i think it’s it’s we just don’t teach kids how to enjoy vegetables and i think that’s the issue which is why we just take the easy way out and say pizza pizza two vegetables not one waxy apple enjoy i have this theory i have to say that if we were to especially in the school system but also a lot at home cook vegetables the way that we cook meat and then cook meat that the way that we cook vegetables we could flip the entire perception that kids have about them so you want to boil chicken and roast veggies you’re crazy man not even roast no i want to get even deeper on this i want to because if you think about the meats that they serve in school right they’re all processed formed all the stuff coming from tyson and cisco and all that like the only chicken that we had at school was pre-formed breaded chicken patties that are you know super salted and mixed with fillers and all that what if we did that both vegetables and you just took like cauliflower salted the hell out of it turned into a patty deep fried it served in a bun kids would have no idea that it was even vegetables but you could say this is a cauliflower patty and then you serve them a side of just boiled plain beef and then you’re gonna rewire kids brains nicole i am pro brainwashing children let the records state that i think it is our it is our moral imperative as adults to brainwash children because they are constantly being brainwashed by alternative factors so like you said like with toby mcguire’s face yes you know every kid wants to be respected and loved by toby mcguire that is a fact of life that i know so when you put his face on pop tarts that is brainwashing kids to want tobey maguire’s love like the love of their own father to buying you know sugary processed foods so you want to make cauliflower patties with some sad processed beef on the side and a cutie that’s what you’re correct that’s what you do to me that is what an imperfect but practical future of american school lunch looks like so you’re trying to deter kids from liking me so they can have vegetables more so their diets can include more vegetables you know that’s not a bad idea it’s not a bad idea no that’s right that’s a bad idea at all i think your your brainwash technique will actually be very very useful the only issue with that is is that we don’t have as much money going through the lobbyists of cauliflower as we do for beef chicken pork that’s the issue no that that totally is the issue and that’s like why we find ourselves in you know this whole dietary crisis that we have in america and i understand you know food is a personal choice and all that and i fully believe like as an adult you’re free to do what you want but like when it comes to you know kids making decisions there’s a moral imperative like so many other countries have passed anti-junk food restriction anti-junk food advertising restrictions to kids like during you know saturday morning cartoons you can’t advertise any foods that have over a certain percentage of calories from sugar that’s a great idea why don’t we do that here frick because we like we value profits over lives uh is the general consensus on that gross but there are some people that like star wars or i guess uh disney now own star wars disney and the dole corporation in 2017 disney launches the unite for a healthy galaxy campaign with dole so they launched it in congruence with the premiere of the last jedi and they took like you know uh bb-8 stickers and slapped it on cuties and they took they took other star wars like darth vader or whatever and like put it on some iceberg lettuce and so they’re actively trying to fight fire with fire and trying to brainwash kids in the right direction is it great for us to you know uh want to have parenting duties put on the dole and disney corporations no but i think it might be you know not the worst idea at this point yeah i also think it just starts at home you know like just make your kid like do what my mom does my mom cuts me to this day a big bowl of fruit and puts it in front of me goes eat disney cord it’s good for you and honestly i used to hate it i just like yeah i’m wise gross i actually used to throw away all the fruits i’m such a bad child i used to take my mom used to cut me apples and like carrots and cucumbers and i would just throw it in the garbage but now i’m so thankful that she did that because i now know how important fruits are even if i know i don’t like them i’ll still eat them because i know that she made it for me so it starts at home i’m all for it no no if cotton candy grapes make you happy if more kids if you can trick a child into eating more fruit by telling them that it is cotton candy grapes there’s also another one that just came out super hype grape drop called gummy berry grapes so they’re literally trying to make it sound like the word gummy bear but adding the name of another fruit to trick kids into buying grapes i’m all for that i am pro designer fruit i will spend five dollars a pound which albeit is not great for getting low-income people to you know eat fruit and all that but i will spend five dollars a pound on designer fruits designed to brainwash children into eating more of them that is my official party stance on this i will not waver more brainwashing kids more delicious designer fruit that vaguely tastes like candy insofar as your influence to believe it does i’m gonna go set up a tent outside of whole foods so we can get those red gummy grapes let’s do it i’ll bring some beers all right nicole we’ve heard what you and i have to say now it is time to find out what other wacky ideas are rattling around there in the twitterverse it’s time for a segment we call opinions are like casseroles everyone’s got one and they smell like onions you’re very proud of yourself aren’t you we make me giggle i hope we make you giggle too [Music] first up we got at synthwise warm spaghettios with meatballs eaten by the chip full specifically kroger brand spaghettios and chipotle tortilla chips is greater than the sum of its parts okay one chipotle tortilla chips they used to be better i swear i i cannot verify this but i swear they used to be better and they would fry them fresh in the stores and they would put the lime like fresh lime juice and salt in the bags and shake it and so chipotle tortilla chips used to be the best tortilla chips in the game they’ve taken a hit recently in my opinion um probably after the e coli outbreak they’re still pretty good i love the idea of a warm dip for chips like a warm tomato based dip so i can really see this working i’ve never done it also i may go tostitos scoops instead of that and i don’t particularly like spaghettios yeah but i like this idea i like this idea i think this is a great idea i for one hate canned spaghetti i think it’s an abomination beyond the mental sphere of my brain but like do you man and you know kroger has really really good like dupes for chips and stuff like that so i’m all for it oh yeah i i i i’ve been thinking a lot about my relationship to pasta yeah what about i don’t think i don’t i don’t think i like al dente pasta oh that’s okay every every time i’ve eaten like perfectly al dente pasta you know with that like slight kind of chew to it i’m just like you know i wish this was more overcooked and i don’t think it’s just because i have soft teeth i think it’s just a preference yeah it’s that’s okay you’re allowed to like mush your foods that’s your pronunciative dude mushy spaghetti yesterday with some leftover canned crab and it was delicious that sounds fancy i’m a fancy boy okay ringostardust37 says whoever’s horseradish mustard on fresh baked chocolate chip cookies are the best thing my dad ever discovered what i don’t i don’t i do not consent to this kind of weird horseradish on chocolate chip cookies okay you can okay so actually horseradish and wasabi in general works really really well with dark chocolate they really really accent one another and it’s similar to spearmint and peppermint and that like it kind of opens up your nasal passages and it allows for more air to pass through so you can get the true essence of the chocolate but this doesn’t work for chocolate chip cookies man this is this is stupid i don’t know dude i’m i’ve never tried this particular combination but i do agree like you said like it kind of opens up you know the old factory senses and gets you to experience chocolate in a different way the best dessert i have ever had was at providence i was not paying there with my own money as a very fancy restaurant in l.a and the pastry chef comes out and she’s like this dessert is simply called honey mustard and i was like okay cool so inspired like mcdonald’s honey mustard she was like no i was on this pastoral hill in the rhone river valley and i noticed that there were wild mustard flowers growing and bees would have pollinated them and i thought you know to replicate nature but anyways it was just like this kind of spicy mustard ice cream whatever with honey and like the combination of a horseradish mustard and sweet is actually really really good i’ve never had it in chocolate chip cookies uh this is another part of the spectrum to that pastoral rhone river valley thing but i really want to try this it sounds good all right at doctor211 dipping doritos in mott’s applesauce like salsa is a great snack and flavor combination it’s sounds like a cheeto apple pie which you can watch on mythical kitchen oh wait that is true yeah this is essentially the same thing literally this though it seems like a scene from something like uh what was that will smith movie where he’s fighting the zombies it’s not irobot because that was about will smith fighting robots uh i i zombie no no no no zombieland no no world war z ryan’s probably typing it in slack right now i am legend i am legend i was gonna say bad boys for life you thought will smith fight zombies in bad boys yeah martin lawrence is a zombie in that movie is that like a deep cut analysis of it that i didn’t get because i thought they were just two bad boy police officers doing anything they needed to do to take down the bad guys you were saying i was saying dipping doritos and mozza applesauce seems like a scene from like i am legend where the apocalypse has happened and they’re like remember chips and salsa all we got now was doritos and motts but not bad not bad oh i take it yeah this makes sense to me in the way that cheeto apple pie makes sense to me and that it doesn’t make sense but you can enjoy it razzle dazzle yeah says my guilty pleasure food is grape jelly and puffy cheeto sandwich on wonder bread the sweet of the jelly soft bread crunchy cheetos it’s delightful i know it sounds gross but just try it josh nicole try it i love when people talk like that in in in these comments because it’s like they’re really trying to get us to try it but they don’t know that like the adverse will happen if you mention our names so wait you feel that way i feel the opposite i feel so personally connected to razzle dazzle y’all that they mentioned us by name that i feel you know inclined actually no it’s because they’re trying too hard to get us to try it and i don’t need that in my life don’t try so hard just say it with confidence say it with say it with your chest and you don’t need to mention us by name and we’ll do it no nicole you’re saying that the harder people try and connect with you the more you push them away that’s right do you think that’s because you’re afraid of your own emotionally intimate relationships with people trying to talk about jelly and cheeto sandwiches right now don’t need to psychoanalyze your co-host um but all jokes aside this sounds good because i like doing trash things like this and wonder bread is like a clean slate you know you can do whatever you want to wonder bread so i appreciate it i don’t know if there is a better cake on this planet than a slice of wonder bread i fully i don’t know if you noticed this but on set the other day i was a hankering for something sweet and we had a loaf of wonder bread and i grabbed a loaf of one i grabbed a slice of wonder bread and i smeared duncan hine no pillsbury white frosting on it and just ate it and to me that is a cake it is delicious i love wonder bread it’s like scientifically developed to just make your brain happy with its texture and flavor it’s delicious cheetos and grape jelly salty sweet i don’t always agree with that combination or that logic but i can see this really working i’d enjoy i love throwing chips in a sandwich too that was the height of culinary innovation oh there’s an episode of boy meets world did you watch boy meets world of course i did there’s an episode where uh corey’s dad like they were supposed to go to a baseball game but then like things came up at work and they had to cancel and it was like this very special episode where it was like sometimes you got to make concessions in life you stupid idiot cory then his dad like pulls him out of school the next day to stay up late to watch a baseball game and he makes a sandwich with chips in it and that was like him showing his fatherly love oh that’s really cute i just go to bay cities and put my chips in my sandwich yo god that sounds so good right now yeah i’m going to go on a bay city sandwich can we go to base cities before we go to work okay you’re closer can you pick it up i’m serious if you let me come a little bit later to work i’ll get you a sandwich this isn’t part of the podcast this is just me and nicole coordinating our lunch this is being fat actually just order for delivery right now we’re not doing anything oh no i’ll go get it we’ll finish the podcast podcast okay okay we gotta get me a godmother okay sure um spicy godmother okay uh okay okay at bc krogoth i love them but sloppy joes are just beanless chili sandwiches this is what i like to call the chili equivocation paradox it’s something we’ve talked about it’s something we’ve talked about many times on the podcast that the word chili no longer means anything because it has been so far bastardized from the idea of chile con carne the original like mexican tejano recipe for it and so like if you take something like cincinnati chili which is a little bit sweeter a little bit more vinegary i can see how you would think sloppy joes or beanless chili sandwiches but i don’t believe that that’s like i i think sloppy joes are american uh larb sandwiches right you can you can spin them night market makes a hat that says i larb larb what okay well i guess we got to get that hat so i can add it to my really really cool restaurant merch collection that i’m trying to accumulate have you noticed that i yo julia just got me a genghis kohen hat oh my gosh uh david just got me an in-n-out t-shirt it’s so funny this is our me and nicole’s love language is just novelty restaurant merchandise that’s so true yeah i i love sloppy joes too but not any ground meat in flavor sauce can just be considered beanless chili no but this does make sense to me because that’s all the sloppy joe sandwiches remember that one time i opened up a can of man which had expected to find meat in it sorry about that oh yeah you had never eaten have you ever eaten a sloppy joe before that or you just never had never used man witch before but when you think about it that’s what that’s what chili is it’s manwich plus meat i mean ish like but man which is it’s super vinegary and sweet there’s like a ton of sugar in it but i guess there is like tomato and onion and bell pepper and spices so like i can see how you would think it’s being those chili sandwiches i don’t necessarily agree that said just putting chili in a bun with nothing else on it is really delicious totally it’s good stuff let’s see what’s next um logan underscore carlson 26 all sauces are condiments but not all condiments or sauces remember when we said all right what is it all squares are rectangles but not all rectangles or squares this is that same conversation and you know i agree with that statement because condiments you’re right you know a sauce is a condiment but a condiment is not a sauce a condiment can be you know like a dry have you ever heard dukkha spice uh egyptian that is i consider that a condiment but that’s not a sauce because it’s dry i agree with that yeah it’s like salsa like it’s like you know anything that can uh add flavor to a food yeah sumac sumac’s a perfect example too um but i don’t know if all sauces are condiments because would you consider like marinara sauce to be a condiment would you consider alfredo sauce but i don’t know if that’s necessarily true if it’s used primarily as an ingredient in cooking i don’t think you could like reasonably call it a condiment the supreme court definition of reasonable is varied invest go but you go i feel like i can no you can use it as a condiment you could use you could use marinara sauce as a condiment for a eggplant parmesan sandwich you could use alfredo sauce as a as a bread covering this is how i think of it if i can put it in a sandwich as a spread i consider it a condiment okay hold on but think about the eggplant parmesan sandwich example right if that eggplant parmesan sandwich does not have sauce in it already is it an eggplant parm sandwich no but i’m just saying the addition of the cold marinara sauce or hot marinara sauce adds to the sandwich aspect of it okay okay but hold on hot dogs is it still a hot dog if there’s no ketchup on it it is yes so what i’m saying is the the sauce is an integral part of an eggplant parm sandwich it’s not something you would add on top like ketchup on a hot dog the condiment does not define the sandwich it amplifies it but i’m saying an eggplant parm sandwich is defined by its sauce making it not a condiment well you know we can deconstruct this a little bit what is an eggplant parm it is fried eggplant cheese and sauce and if i want to add more sauce to it to make it more of a condiment what’s what if i swap out the marinara sauce and i put alfredo sauce on it so you’re saying that there can be endemic sauces and condimentary sauces for sure whatever endemic means okay okay i don’t exactly know what i mean yo i got i got um in-house suspension from school once where like they just made you sit in a quiet room for 10 hours to think about what you did i just like forgot to bring a note from i would i would fake six so many times uh from school that i just started writing my own notes and forging them and all that i don’t recommend doing that but anyways i so i studied like an sat vocab book for like 10 hours one day and that’s where all of my vocabulary comes from i don’t know what endemic means but i probably read it when i was 17 at some point so funny all right at shuakor i’m also from socal so i have no cultural reason for this but i have an unusual addiction to adding roughly a quarter teaspoon each yellow curry powder garam masala and cayenne to my chicken top ramen my wife laughs at it please justify me i think this is really interesting because so masala like curry powder doesn’t exist in india right like the term masala is just the term for spices uh and so all curry powders i believe this is correct uh desi followers please jump in and correct me all curry powders are technically masalas that are different you know uh mixes and all that yeah there’s garam chat bunch like x y and z there’s an endless when i left for college my best friend deep gave me and i believe his mom gave this to me as a gift a bag of something called sandwich masala oh yeah that is really it’s really popular in india just to like add as a condiment which i guess is a good thing like literally just sprinkle it on a sandwich and so i would like sprinkle it on egg salad sandwiches it was delicious this person’s taken like multiple different very heavy indian spice blends and some cayenne for extra heat to your chicken top ramen i bet it’s really delicious garam masala to me though tastes like well at least a lot of the prepackaged stuff you get almost tastes more akin to like pumpkin spice i was just about to say that yeah yeah it’s totally a very warming um very very intense spice blend i would toast it before i put in my ramen actually i would just put a little bit of oil and add and just toast it up just to really awaken the spices and then i would add it to my top ramen but this is a good take that’s called a tadka i just read a really great article by nick sharma about making tadkas which is where you infuse the spices into an oil before you cook and it’s like the reason so many indian dishes taste so great so yeah make a tadka yeah and then add your top ramen to it that’s dope and also don’t let your wife make fun of you for it stand up for yourself yeah don’t make fun of people for for food preferences unless it’s funny and unless we’re making fun of you and then it’s okay that’s our job that’s our job kaylee cat underscore xo says i love salsa and a dash of sour cream to make it more creamy mixed in my mac and cheese hey like i s mac and cheese is like wonder bread it is a blank slate do whatever you want to it and it’ll probably be good just don’t be weird about it like this is acceptable a little bit of sour cream a little bit of salsa go wild that’s awesome but whenever it starts to get like really weird like i don’t know putting like i don’t know what’s a weird thing to put in mac and cheese raisins yeah raisins if you put raisins in your mac and cheese it’s questionable if you put apricot jam i’m gonna look at you funny this is good they forgot jamming mac and cheese hold on hold on that sounds pretty good to me no no it doesn’t well i forgot apricot jam would belong on a cheese plate why doesn’t it belong in mac and cheese because i said so fair yeah salsa sour cream and mac and cheese that sounds really great sounds lovely okay at charles iii i feel that the la restaurants featured in youtube videos are mostly overrated my girlfriend and i take little road trips and while the experiences are good the food rarely blows us away we found some faves can you recommend any good eats so i remember going to my first ever restaurant that i saw like featured on television and i was like oh my god this restaurant was on television it must serve the best food ever because that’s what television and media does it selects the best things possible and then i went there it was a place featured on diners drive-ins and dives and it was like just a normal coffee shop in fountain valley and i got an omelette and i was like yep that’s a regular kind of crappy omelette from a kind of crappy diner most food just kind of tastes the same in a way and also the idea of hype like you said it’s overrated not because it’s bad the food could still be good but you saw a youtube video about it so it rated it very highly in your mind people say that hunger is the best sauce i find low expectations are the best sauce go into every meal like it’s gonna suck and you’re gonna be blown away i agree with that sentiment i’ve always gone to places i’ve had such high expectations that i end up being let down i think that’s a fantastic way to think about it go into it without any expectations just because it was on tv doesn’t necessarily mean it’s good it just means that they got a pretty good break you know what i mean yeah yeah i had a good publicist if you what’s the one restaurant you steer people towards when they come to la i don’t know all restaurants are closed right now i can’t i mean in the in the pre-coveted times when restaurants were thriving if someone said i have one place to eat in l.a where do you tell them to go this is going to be so bougie of me should i just say it oh you gotta say it but you already talked about louboutin uh it’s the nomad hotel really yeah i think it’s fantastic food and i think the service is phenomenal and it’s beautiful and it’s i just really enjoy it i enjoy the whole atmosphere i went i got wine i got cocktails i ate i laughed i cried it was great nicole i hate that answer so much you have no idea how much it hurts my heart i told you they’re from nicole it’s a new york restaurant but they do such a good job here okay what do you want me to say capital burgers you’re entitled to your opinion i’m sure they’re fantastic i’ve never been though they did have a food truck where they served like a 12 truffle hot dog that was really freaking good dude yeah good stuff uh i would i’d probably tell people to go like go to gallagher yeah that’s a good one get oaxacan food they have really good like mezcal program too and it’s something that’s very unique to you know la and it’s like a really historical restaurant but no you go go get a bougie 90 roast chicken hotel you bully you’re a bully and on that note thank you for listening to a hot dog to the sandwich we got new episodes for you every wednesday if you want to be featured on opinions or like casseroles you can hit us up on twitter at mythicalchef or nhendizada with the hashtag opinioncasserole and for more mythical kitchen check us out on youtube we launch new videos every week and of course if you want to share pics of your dishes hit us up on instagram at mythicalkitchen we’ll see you next time nicole is going to be rocking the louboutin heels am i pronouncing that right louboutin oh yeah louboutins oh yeah [Music] thanks for listening to this episode of a hot dog is a sandwich and hey before you go we wanted to 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