Great news. I got the best reservation in town. So that new Japanese Peruvian raw bar and the waitlist is crazy. Great. What time is the reservation? 5:30. Ew. This is A Hot Dog Is A Sandwich. Ketchup is a smoothie. Yeah. I put ice in my cereal. So what? That makes no sense. A hot dog is a sandwich. A hot dog is a sandwich. Welcome to our podcast. A Hot Dog Is A Sandwich. The show where we break down the world’s biggest food debates. I’m your host, Josh Scheber. And I’m your host, Nicole Enayati. And today we are talking about the moment that Japanese Peruvian cuisine is having in the greater Los Angeles area. Shout out to Matsuhisa. It actually really is blowing up. It’s called Nikkei cuisine. They say Peru is the origin of fusion food. You go to the Chinese arena, it’s called Chifa cuisine. And then Nikkei cuisine is Peruvian Japanese. That’s not what we’re talking about at all, though. I mean, should we just talk about that? It’s really fascinating. We’ll do another episode, but today we are talking about What is the best time to eat dinner, which is so funny. It’s funny because we brought it up in conversation where like, this is dumb. And then it’s spurred all these arguments and you realize there are so many. Cultural differences, so many generational differences. So many. Across, if you are in a relationship with somebody who does not eat dinner at the same time as you. Oh my gosh. That’s like an actual road, roadblock to overcome. And you live together? Ugh. Ew. Terrible. That’s more disgusting than a 5:30 reza. But I will say, let’s, let’s just start off. Me and you, we’re both, we’re similar. We’re what, 31, 32? Yeah, the same person basically. No, no. No. No. Both love bodybuilding, both start our day with creatine and pre workout. Show them the vascularity, Nicole. I have no, can I tell you something? My veins are so hard to find, literally, my doctors, like, they take my blood like six times because my veins are really hard to find and it’s always been that way. I was more vascular when I was doing CrossFit, and now I’m, now I’m just floating through time, you know. What was I talking about before you made me flex? You and I are the same people. You’re 31, I’m 32. Yeah, yeah, like we both love food. I mean, we’re very, we’re very similar, you and I. And I feel like you and I have similar eating habits, kind of, at this point. Cause we have kind of melded into similar people. So, tell me if I’m wrong, like what’s your average, like, what time do you eat dinner typically? Like Monday through Friday? I’m not gonna tell you. I’m gonna make you guess. No, I don’t want to guess. I want you to guess. I want you to be correct. I’ll guess what time you eat dinner. Okay. I say you try and hit 7 o’clock on the dot, but you’re generally between like 6:45 and like 7:20, depending on prep. How did you know that? It’s, you know what part of it actually is? It’s you talking about your own anxieties about making dinner. You’re like, oh my god, it took so long to make dinner. And I didn’t, when you get home, and I know what time you, I know what time you leave work. And I know how long it takes you to cook. Josh, that is literally so So on the nose, it is ridiculous. How did you do that? Uh, we’ve spent so much time. We’ve been doing this podcast for five years. That’s like a lot of time to really get to know someone. We don’t hang out outside of it. Uh, that’s not true. She came over for dinner. Saturday, and I made something weird and I was pretty ashamed about it. It was so weird. I know, I was, I experimented. I did not eat the topping on your casserole. I saw that, I did see you leave that. I’ve been trying to make Kugel topped stews, which is something my grandma would make. Yes. I’m trying to make it, like, good and cool. So Kugel in this application is basically like a latke mixture. It’s potato. Anyways, it wasn’t great. Okay, but yes, you got it right. 6:45 to 7:15 depending on what time David gets home. Yeah, that’s what I figured. — What time do you think I. — Cause I’m a wife! What time, I am now also a wife. What time do you think that I eat dinner? Me and Julia. 8:45. You’re not far. 8:45. You’re not far. 8:30. We almost never eat dinner before 8pm. Why? Uh, so a lot of this comes down to, and this is dinner times around the world, it comes down to general lifestyle, right? Yeah, but that’s so weird because David and I, Persians love to eat dinner at like 10 o’clock. Oh, interesting. Like, yeah, like, like, across the board. Especially for like Shabbat. Like, Shabbat dinner doesn’t start typically till like 9:30, 10. Depending on how large it is and how many people you invited. So a lot of it for us is simply like, Julia likes to work out after work. And like, I don’t get a lot of, I wake up at 5:30, 5:45 in the morning. Yeah. I’m at the gym for like two hours before work, a lot of it’s rehab work, I’m not lifting for two hours. I’m trying to stretch out my hips, my psoas muscles, I look all creepy, I look like I’m just humping a wall, but I’m actually basically doing kegels in the gym for an hour. This me humping the wall. But anyway, so I eat like five meals throughout the day. So for me, like, breakfast, lunch, dinner isn’t a thing. Okay, so me and you do not have similar eating structures then. No, and so I eat, I wake up, I eat a protein bar at like 5:45. A bar? A bar, just a bar, 20 grams of protein. With a coffee? And then I come into work, uh, pre workout, yeah? Oh, yeah. And creatine. Oh, okay, okay. So this is throwing everything a little bit for us. And then, and then at 9am I roll into work, I make a protein shake, generally drink it at 9:15. Blueberries. And then I’ll have first lunch at, like, noon, second lunch at 3, and then dinner’s at 8. And so that’s what my meal structure is. Julia, on the other hand, right, so we’re trying to syncopate all this. She eats nothing, like a bird. So she like wakes up, starts working, and then she nibbles on cheese. And then by the time, uh, you know, 5:30 comes around, she’s generally going to a workout class or like doing something. She has an active life. Love it. And so she’ll come home from that workout class at 7:45, and I have dinner on the table at like 8:15. Wow. And that’s just how we eat. It’s become very natural for us. We’ll eat a bowl of a little dessert, sometimes fruit with cream. Right. Right, because we’re just 30 years old now, so we live a very boring life. Yes, so boring. So fruit with cream is what we look forward to. And then, uh, at like 9:30. Then we’re in bed by 10:30, and we hit the sack by 11. Wow, really? Is that early or late? I don’t know what your lifestyle is. What do I do? So I wake up at 7, I make myself a coffee with collagen peptides, I love collagen peptides. And then I come to work and I make myself 2 to 3 eggs every morning. What time? 9:15? So you’re starting breakfast, you call that breakfast? 9:15? Yeah, 9:15. My coffee doesn’t count, my coffee is just like a So no calories and coffee doesn’t count as breakfast? It doesn’t count, it doesn’t count. And then I come to work and then typically, there’s lunch at work, so I eat work lunch, and then I like have like maybe a handful of nuts here, maybe a little beef stick here. But what time is work lunch? Do you care? No, I don’t care. It’s whatever. This is going to come into play in a discussion later. From 12 to 2. From 12 to 2. Okay. Is that okay, 12 to 2? Yeah, yeah. There’s no okay or not okay. I’m eating like five meals. I had to call it lunch one, lunch two. And then, um, the smart thing about me is I like to make myself little menus, as you know, Monday through Friday. I’m, I’m very extensive. And I get very detailed, as detailed as I can without losing my mind, like being very hyper focused on it. So we get some little menus and I’m like, okay, whenever I get home, I’ll do this and the other. And then I, David’s schedule is different right now because he’s in school, but typically he comes home like from work. at like, he leaves work at like 5:30, takes him about 45 minutes. I feel like we’re, I feel like this conversation is just like a lifestyle conversation. It’s a day in the life, yeah, yeah, yeah, and then I’m doing laundry and so I fold the shirts with the sleeves tucked in first and I know what you’re saying if you’ve worked in retail. So funny. And then, well David gets home at like 6:30. And like I’m already like going in the kitchen doing a lot of things and then we eat at like 6:45, 7 while he watches a football game probably. Yeah, they have been putting this is a real thing. Um, this is not necessarily gendered. However, if you’re going by statistics, there are a lot more men who tend to watch football than women and so there are a lot of spouses and partners who have noticed that their partners are seem to be watching football on more days It’s true, it’s happening. I don’t know if you’ve thought about that. Oh, yeah. They’re putting football on more days. Well, also, we have, what’s that thing called? A red, um, red zone. We have red zones. Yeah, so he’s watching seven games at once. Oh, yeah. Sports all the time. But now the NFL, they’re trying to put, uh, games on Tuesdays and Wednesdays. They’ve had Thursday Night Football for a while. It’s happening. And I kind of don’t know how I feel about it. I feel like I need to not watch as much football. Because I will watch whatever’s on. Yes, yes, yes. So that’s happening. Um, this is all to say that whatever time you’re eating dinner, is meant to suit your lifestyle. Yeah, and that’s, and that suits us for now. I think it makes sense for us, yeah. And so if you’re looking at, like, dinner times around the world. Uh huh. It tends to suit people’s lifestyles. Okay. So there are some fascinating things that we can glean from dinner times around the world. Like, if I said, uh, Spain, what time do they eat dinner? What time do you normally think? I think 9:45. Right? That’s like a thing that we know. It’s not every Spanish person is eating at 9:45. No, no, no. But Spain tends to eat later. Do you have a guess why? Um, does it have to do with siestas? These, these MF ers are taking two hour naps in the middle of the day. I want to do that! If I was taking a two hour nap in the middle of the day. I know! Life would be so, you know how, how much better our skin would look if we just napped for two hours? You know how carefree we would be as people? Bro, I am napping. Every weekend day. Do you nap during the weekend? On Saturday, I nap. On Sunday, I nap. I’m so happy for you. Is this new? Tough with football! Is this new though? Um, yeah, well it’s gotten more. Every time I would experiment with the lifestyle of napping. Okay, yeah, you love experimenting. Yeah, but then um, now it’s like, it’s a necessity. And I love it, I catch up. I’m so happy that you nap now. 100% I, I push dinner back probably on those days because you’re sleeping later. Right? Right. And then also if you look at warm weather, climate countries, Spain, quite warm weather on the Mediterranean. And you see a lot of Mediterranean countries follow this pattern as well. They’re eating dinner later because it’s oppressively hot for a lot of summer. I was, I was in, I was on the Mediterranean this summer for two weeks. I was in Greece. I was in Sardinia and you would go out in Sardinia at 8 pm. and it would be like, you know, the sun had just set. Yeah. And it would be 95 degrees. Oh, no way. So, was it, was it bumpin or not? No, like, we, we went to dinner at like 9pm and there was nobody there. And we, and we just ate and we drank, it was a cool cocktail bar, we stayed. 10:30 comes around, it’s packed for dinner. No way, that’s awesome. Yeah, it was crazy, it was like something I’d never experienced before. Um. But that said, like you are in America, what is the best time for a dinner reservation? Like when you’re going out. So this is why I asked what you do during the week, because I think that has a correlation with what time you like to go out for dinner, because for me and for David and I, we love to go to dinner at like 7, 6:30, 7. 6:30, why? Explain yourself. So, for Saturday nights, why I like to go out to dinner around 6:30, 7, is because we’re gonna go out later. So we want a nice base of food and a nice, you know, strong, like, food base. So we can go out and drink and party with our friends. Wait, but how late are you staying out? Cause if you’re eating, are you getting late night food then? Probably. Not always, not always. We’re not always late nighters. We used to be bigger late nighters. But then, we were like, it’s not, we’re not holding it well. If, if, if you all, the listenership, the grand listenership out here has followed us for the last five years. Hi. We have changed so much. Have we? That used to be like, I would only go out so I could go on a late night food adventure. Oh, no. That was my thing, I loved it. Well, I used to love exploring. Like a lot, like I would love to go like out in K Town and then go to like a random taco stand at like 1. 30. I would end up eating like a baseball steak and an artichoke omelette at Pacific Dining Car at 3 in the morning. When you said baseball steak, I knew it. On the regular, shout out to training day, Denzel orders it from that restaurant. That’s right. But I would be at BCD Tofu House eating, uh, eating tofu soup. At like 2 am, At 2 am and now I’m like 11:45, I’m like, oh, if I get home and I wake up at 7am on Saturday, I can prep the most beautiful breakfast sandwich. It’s gonna be so, I’ll dress the arugula, I’ll, like, I can roast the tomatoes off, I’ll have time. But like, I think, I don’t know, but it’s weird because we live in LA, we live in such a city, and I think that people are doing later and later dinner reservations. Places are staying open later. No, false, false. Since COVID, since COVID, places have started. I have been to, okay, let me, let me back up here. To me, going out to eat and eating at home are almost two fundamentally different purposes. Yeah. Yeah, going out to eat, it’s like, I’m never worried about the macros, the calories, or whatever. Yeah, you’re there for good times. I’m there for a good time. I’m there to be social. It’s an event for me. It’s like an amusement park. Yeah. And so, I’m like, not worried about general lifestyle issues when it comes to that. Um, I would love to get like an 8:30 dinner res. Like, especially if you’re going out on a date, if you remember the single days. Go on a date. I don’t remember what being single is like anymore. If you go out on a date, and you have like an 8:30pm Friday res, you go pregame it with a cocktail somewhere at 8. That was never me. Sun is set, it’s like sexy vibes, you know. I love you, that was never me. No? I think it’s cause I dated geriatric men. That adds up. That were like 12, 13 years older than me. They’re trying to get the senior discount! Early bird special, No, I literally taking you to denny’s I literally I think it’s because I dated guys that were older so most of my dinner reservations going out was around the seven o’clock. Oh funny time regardless, but like if we’re going out with friends like let me tell you if we go with friends and like we’re going to like a cool place in like North Hollywood Like a thai place like we’re gonna try to assemble the avengers at like eight o’clock so we can go out at night, but like, like I, it depends on the friend group I’m with. Like I have some friends that are like, I need to eat dinner at five o’clock so I can go to sleep at a reasonable time. I’m like, I don’t want to hang out with you that much anymore. So then I start to go more towards like the people that want to eat a little bit later. Since COVID, I’ve noticed more like. What would’ve been kind of late night ish party restaurants. Restaurants that kitchen closes at 10:30, 11, restaurant closes at midnight. Right? That Like clubstaurant? Not a clubstaurant, no. Clubstaurant is like you’re partying at the restaurant till 3 in the morning. Which I’ve never been to. Oh my god, oh my god! You haven’t I know Miami is big on that. You go to I just went to Miami. Did you people know about this in Miami? Let me tell you. So David and I went to Miami in Christmas and we literally went to like three club stronts in the span of two days. What a crazy culture difference it is. People just get up and dance on tables and I’m like, your foot is in the guacamole. It’s crazy. The economics of this is fascinating because I don’t ever partake in this, but you go there and you have to spend a minimum on. food to then have that table that you just ate a steak and onion rings at to party at till four in the morning. That’s disgusting. I don’t want to do that at all. You should do it once just as a culture, just, just, just to understand the culture of Miami. But now I feel like anyways, whenever we’re like 70 or whatever, we’re getting to, we’re getting a condo. We’re going to get duplex. One of us lives on the top, one of us on the bottom, and then every now and then we’ll switch. We’ll go to Naples or Ocala, maybe, uh, You can go to Naples, Florida. No, but I’ve noticed so many restaurants, they are closing their doors a lot earlier. You’ll go to like a legit restaurant, and they’ll be like closed at 9 on a weekday. But I think that’s an economic reality of people having to get their books a lot more secured for restaurants, right? That’s, I understand that. But every time I try to look up a reservation on like Google or Yelp, those, every single restaurant I want to go to, The 5, 5. 30, and 5. 45 are wide open. And then everything from like 6 to 10 booked solid for like months. Yeah. So I don’t know. So I don’t get it. I’ll, I’ll, I’ll ask you then. I don’t know. Cause I’ve, I’ve certainly eaten at a lot of restaurants at five o’clock. So it was the only time I could go. And then it feels like lunch. And then I’ve eaten at 9. 45 and I’m like, well, my next day is ruined. Right. If you have the option. You should say excuse me when you burp. Excuse me, I’m so sorry. Um, if you have the option between, there’s only a 5pm 10pm res. Ohhhh. Which one do you take? Oh my gosh. Let me set the scene. It’s, it’s Friday, but. I can’t go out. It’s been a tough week at work. Oh, so it’s Friday, okay, Saturday, sorry Shabbat. It’s Saturday. Oh my gosh, Shabbat just ended. You can labor again, you can push buttons. Shut up. You can drive a car. Um. I do all that stuff anyways. It’s Saturday night. You had like a tough work week, but not the kind of tough work week where you’re like, oh, I need to de stress, like the type of a tough work week where you’re like, I just need a little bit of solitude, but you already agreed to go out with friends. Uh, and then Saturday night res 5 p. m. or 10 p. m. 10 p. m. Why? Always. Why? 5 p. m. it’s still sun out. What do you mean? What do you mean? I’m gonna, I’m gonna make myself a light bite around 7. Uh huh. And then maybe make myself a cocktail at home. And then go out with my friends at 10, and stay out till like 2 or 3. The fun thing that, if you’re not planning on going out after that 10pm dinner, The fun thing about that, is that you can, then, the dinner is the social nightlife event, right? That’s fun for me. Well, it depends what restaurant you’re going to. Yeah. It can’t be, it can’t be just like any like, Pija Palace, the new hot Indian, it’s not that new, but like, Uh, it’s really hard to get a res there still. It’s really hard to get a reservation there. It’s like an Indian sports bar cocktail bar that serves Penne alla Vodka with Indian spices on it. Mala, yeah, yeah. So because that place is so damn busy and I’ve been there before and I know what to expect, I would go early. But if you give me another restaurant, it might be later. Like, Budanoki, I’ve never been to Budanoki. Oh, go late night at Budanoki, for sure. Don’t go early at Budanoki. Their cocktail program is so good. See, that’s what I’m saying. It’s all about what your intentions are. It’s about what your intentions are, and about what kind of day slash night you want to have. Josh, should we tell people about what a Bang Bang is? We could talk about the Bang Bang. Because, so, you and I are both referencing, um, There was an Instagram video of Prue Leith. Yes. Right, she was talking about what the ideal time to eat dinner at was. Yes, yes, yes. She said 9:30. She said 9:30. Which is nuts. And she said her husband likes to eat at 7. So I don’t know what her deal is. There was another video though. With Jose Andres. With Jose Andres. That’s right. Jose Andres talked about the bang, bang, bang, bang. Well, that guy knows how to party. That guy knows how to party. Also, he is Spanish. Spaniards don’t get to the club till 3 am. How do I go to Spain so bad? It sounds like fun. But the Bang Bang is where you eat one meal at one restaurant. We’re not talking appetizers. We’re not talking about shared small plates. You eat a full [bleep] meal. And then you go to another restaurant and eat a full [bleep] meal. That’s called the Bang Bang. But ideally, it is walking distance. The two places are walking distance. You could Uber or taxi to the other place, but half of the fun is walking off the food to go eat at the other place. I love doing Bang Bangs with the right people. I did a Bang Bang at Budonoki. Wait, and then where’d you go? Butanoki was, no, Butanoki was the second location of my bang bang. Butanoki is this incredible, like, Japanese izakaya, but like, really playful food. Just incredible cocktails. Yeah, no, I ate at a chain event and then went to Butanoki right afterwards. Oh, nice. That was fun. Nice, nice. I love the bang bang. But that’s good because then you stretch it out, you know? I like, you’re eating dinner for free. But see that’s fun like eating like that with like the right crew that’s down to like Kind of like indulge and gorge and do all those fun things every now and then is it’s actually really really fun and I think it’s more fun than like going to eat at like nine o’clock and then going to like a party I have a dinner reservation tonight. Where are you going? And I gave the option I was given the option Of what time to choose, as, as often happens. I don’t know why I said that as if that was like a new thing. Um, I was given the option of what time to choose. What time do you think I chose? What time do you think I’m getting dinner tonight? Well, I need to know what I am going to Gela Getza. It is maybe my favorite restaurant all time in Los Angeles. Shout out to Bricia and how many people are you going with? Four, total, double date. Okay, and you made this reservation on your own? I did, it is actually, no, I made this reservation on my own, but it is a special collab dinner with her and her boyfriend who is cooking Oaxacan food in New York Oh! Flying out here cooking Oaxacan food together. Oh, okay. I, what, what are my options? Can you give me three options? I’ll say, uh, 6, 7, or 8. 6, 7, or 8? Hmm, I think that you, cause it’s a four person, cause it’s a double date, and I’m guessing that people that you’re going with work. I’m gonna assume that, bold of you to assume I have friends with jobs. I’m gonna assume you went with 8. 8 o’clock? Oh, but what, what about when the anxiety for the next morning, cause we’re shooting, uh, Mythical Kitchen tomorrow. What about when the anxiety of that pre shoot day night hits? You’re still gonna go to 8 o’clock. No, 7. Okay, what do I, do I lose? Do I win? I don’t know, I don’t know. But no, for me like weeknight res, 7. Okay. Weekend res, 8:30. That’s the move. Okay, that’s okay. That’s okay for you, but for me, listen, my husband’s a busy man, he has, he works a lot, he goes to school, he’s multifaceted, he’s ambitious, I gotta listen to what he’s saying right now, we gotta go eat at 6:30, 7, and you know what’s great? Our friends are also really understanding of that, and they’re also foodies too, so they get it. The other thing here is children. Oh, we don’t have any. We don’t have any. No. When you do have children. Either together or like separate, like we don’t have kids. We don’t have definitely, we thought about adopting one together. Meggie is like our, are you parents? Meggie’s more like an adopted parent, like, we adopted her as a mom. Oh, like the um, the big, big brother, big sister program? Yeah, you’re Meggie’s big sister! You’re doing great, kids! Aw, thanks, mom. I’ve been calling Meggie mom for a long time. No, when Me too! Every we’re at that early stage in our lives where friends are having kids, um, but I was making like a lunch plans with a friend and I was like, great, like 1. like, that’s way too late! Yeah! I was like, what? And they’re like lunch is 11 am now. I was like, dude, I don’t think the restaurant’s open. Literally all of I told you how like I have a group chat where all of my girlfriends are parents now, but me. So I’m like, okay guys, we’re all gonna go to brunch this Sunday. What time is best? And they’re like, anytime around like 9 or 10:45 would be great. And I’m like, you got it. I’ll do it for you. No problem. I don’t wake up on the weekends till like 10 sometimes. I’m up at 6:30 and I’m, I am waiting outside the gym for the doors to open. Sometimes I get there too early and I just take a walk around Studio City. But so this is from a very childless perspective. For those of you with children. Eat whenever they’re not screaming or when they are. I don’t understand what you do yet. I sleep when they sleep That’s what people say. Yeah, that’s what people say. That’s what people. Um, okay there is an actual large difference across states in the US. We have real data here on the average dinner time Tell me some data points, buddy data points earliest earliest time and again There are a lot of cultural reasons a lot of religious reasons even for when people okay dinner and I don’t know if this has exactly anything to do with it, but I saw Pennsylvania is the earliest eating dinner state at 537 p.m. Five, what time do people get home? From work. Is it like, do the Amish in Lancaster County skew it? Cause like, they’re waking up. So much of this, right, is just how late are you waking up? Right? You’re going to eat dinner earlier if you are going to sleep at 8pm and waking up at 4 to 10 to farm and raise a barn. I don’t think the Amish population is actually skewing it that hard, um, but maybe, because the next one is only 3 minutes later at Maine, which makes a lot of sense. Because old people live in Maine. Well, uh, darker, darker, colder. Oh, I just thought it was old people living. Dark, cold, you eat dinner early. Okay. That’s how it works. Warm, hot, light. You’re gonna eat dinner later. Okay. That’s a lot of the data you see across the world. India also tends to eat dinner quite late, past 8 p.m. The data suggests, um, because anytime you mention data, somebody will be like, I’m from India and I eat dinner at 6. And you’re like, Outlier! Great, there’s a dude eating at 10 that’s averaging you out because that’s how numbers work. Um, but anyways, latest, latest, this makes sense to me. It’s not a state. And that should give away everything you need to know, because it’s the only thing that would be listed on a state list that is not technically a state. US Virgin Islands! No, that’s Puerto Rico! No, think inside the Newfoundland! Newfoundland’s just Canadian. Aww. Uh, think like There’s a thing inside the contiguous United States that’s not a state, but East Suatini! East Suatini is, uh, an, an, an intranational Lesotho! Lesotho! Um, D.C District of Columbia, Washington, D.C Oh! Yeah, I kind of forgot about that one, huh? It happens. 7, 10 p.m. Well, it’s because they’re making laws. They’re making laws. I veto. I filibuster. I I My Hello, my constituents. You do not have a supermajority. I I am I am the whip. I am the Senator Whip. Did, did you have inappropriate relations with that woman? I did not inhale. I did not inhale, but I do play the saxophone. Okay, so in D.C they eat at 7, 10 it looks like. Yeah, and I think a lot of that has to do with like why people would, yeah, you’re working later hours. Um, Japan also tends to eat later dinners. Yeah, that’s true. Um, one thing though, When you mentioned earlier that like, I’ll eat lunch anytime, I don’t know, between noon and two, I think a really interesting thing about America is how few inset cultural laws and taboos we have about food. And I think there can actually be a lot of negative effects when it comes to that. Do you think it’s like a free for all? I think it’s a bit of a free for all, and I think when you have a food culture that is a free for all, you become, like, uh, rife for demagoguery, right? People marketing, uh, you know, slogans can then shift the way that an entire population eats. Sure. Because you don’t have, like, hundreds year old traditions locking you in. I remember hearing a story, this is anecdotal, but about somebody who, uh, an American went to work in France, and this is not just me. Paraphrasing Emily in Paris on Netflix, but it is a fun show. Um, but they went to work in France and they would eat lunch at their desk. Whenever. And they would have co workers literally shame them out of it. They would straight up go up to them and be like, Don’t you dare eat your lunch at your desk. Take your lunch break. We’re going out. You’re eating with us. Okay. Because otherwise all these other cultural norms start to erode. It’s kind of a really weird thing and it’s not always great to just grasp on to cultural norms. Okay. But in certain things like We eat lunch at 1. 30, and we take that full hour, right? I think there is something kind of powerful about that, you know? So you’re saying bullying works? Bullying works all the time! Don’t, oh my god, don’t, I’m sorry you have your own traumas with that that I didn’t think about. I’m not foreign, I was born in the United States! I know, yeah, and you also went to a pretty fair, and now I’m, now I’m racist on multiple levels, that’s my bad. Oh, it’s okay, you’re not that bad. Um, well Josh, I wanted us to run through some foods. Okay. If that’s okay, like what’s the best time to eat these specific foods? Does that sound like something you want to do right now? Absolutely. Are you ready? I’m very ready. Okay, okay. What’s the best time to eat salad? Uh, 1245 p. m. Okay, agreed. Uh, cereal. 1130 p. m. Oh my god, yes, me too. Cereal’s dessert, it’s not breakfast. Yes, you don’t eat cereal in the morning. I agree. Uh, salami. We’re talking about sliced salami, not chopped salami. 530 p. m. Oh, I disagree. I would say that’s more of an 11, 11 a. m. Mm, I’m a salami is an appetizer man, cereal for dessert man. Cultured. Alright, carne asada burrito. Uh, 230 p. m., but that’s also your dinner. Seven. P. M. Mmm. Okay. A banana! 9 a. m. 9 a. m. 9 a. m. Yeah, I eat a banana almost every day at 9 a. m. Bagged, shredded cheese. That’s like, four in the morning, you, you just awoke from sleep paralysis, you wander to the fridge, nothing can shake you from that demon except for the cakey shredded Mexican blend cheese. Not the good stuff. That’s it. Yeah. So 4am for you? 4am. 3am witching hour. The witching hour. Eggs Benedict. Noon. Noon. Noon brunch. Eggs Benny, come on, what’s better? Oh, this is great. A mint Milano. A mint Milano. Not a regular Milano, a mint Milano. 1. 47pm, you just ate lunch, you need a little sweet palate cleanser to get back to work. 6. 45. 6. 45? When are you eating a Milano at 6. 45? That’s post dinner. After dinner! You finish dinner at 6. 45? Okay, 7. 30. That’s weird to me now. Okay, Philly cheesesteak. Philly cheesesteak. Oh, this is 9pm after you just left the 4pm birds game. You get back to Angelo’s on Tuesday. South Street, I don’t even think Angela’s on South Street, you get a hoogie, you get a pizza, you’re going to 12 Steps Down, you’re drinking some Twisted Teas, you’re getting some Philly Special, you see someone walking by in a giant jersey, you go, hey, hey you mother [bleep’, get the [bleep] out of my [bleep] city bro, [bleep] you. I’ve never had Sorry, do we have to bleep that? Yeah. I’ve never had a Philly cheesesteak in Philadelphia, so I feel like I haven’t lived, so I can’t really answer that. We gotta go on a full cheesesteak tour. Take it to John’s Roast Pork, take it to Angelo’s. We should just go to Bradley Cooper’s Cheesesteak Shop in New York. I wanna go, he looks hot. It’s from the Angelo’s people, they’re making Angelo’s Cheesesteaks in New York. You know, I saw the bread. And you’re like, that’s Angelo’s, yeah. I saw the bread and I’m like, that’s Angelo’s bread. Yeah, you know it. I have two more yogurt. Sarcone’s. It’s Sarcone’s bread. Shut up, I have two more. What’s the best time to eat yogurt? Uh, 10 15 AM. Oh, the same. And, and finally Spaghetti Bolognese. Spaghetti Bolognese, romantic, 8. 15, dinner out. 8:30, 8:30. You’re at Osteria La Bucca, Nick Jonas just walked in. I love, do you know what, Osteria La Bucca is my favorite Italian restaurant in Los Angeles. Really? I ate there on Friday. It’s Nick Jonas favorite too. Really? He wasn’t there. I love all the Jonas Brothers. Shout out to Frankie, Kyle, Kevin, and Comment below what time you eat dinner. Jarvis Jonas. We have to start doing that. We have to start telling people. Comment below which Jonas Brother is your favorite. Have a good day. Josh, I think 2025 is a year for personal growth. How do you feel about that? Speak that into existence, sister. Yeah, I mean, like, everyone’s like, oh, I’m gonna start working out, I’m gonna start eating better. But me, I wanna learn a new language. I think it’s just gonna expand the way that I see the world, and the way that I can communicate with other people. I think it’s really important. Well, how do you plan on learning that new language, Nicole? Rosetta Stone, obviously. Obviously, the thing I love most about Rosetta Stone, listen, I took foreign language in high school. Same. You did. You listening out there probably did. I’m not great in a classroom setting. I need an actual immersive experience, and that’s what Rosetta Stone gets you. You can actually practice as if you were a native speaker. Rosetta Stone is the most trusted language learning program available on desktop or as an app, and it truly immerses you in the language you want to learn. They offer Spanish, French, Italian, German, Korean, Chinese, Japanese, Dutch, Arabic, Polish, and so much more. There’s no English translation, so you really learn to speak, listen, and think in that language. It’s an intuitive process that’s designed for long term retention. With Rosetta Stone’s built in True Accent feature, you can get feedback on your pronunciation so you can perfect your accent. Mmm, esta bien. Their lifetime membership has all 25 languages for free. 50 percent off, that’s a steal. Start the new year off with a resolution you can reach. Today, a hot dog is a sandwich. Listeners can take advantage of this Rosetta Stone’s lifetime membership for 50 percent off. That’s a heck of a deal, Nicole. Visit rosettastone. com slash hot dog. That’s 50 percent off unlimited access to 25 language courses for the rest of your life. Redeem your 50 percent off at rosettastone. com slash hot dog today. Your hairline looks different. Thank you. I use different products in my hair. I didn’t mean to I forgot my normal product. Maybe I’m losing my hair That’d be cool. Be a good bald man. All right, Nicole I’ve heard what you and I have to find out whether Wacky Eddie is rattling out there in the universe! Time for a little segment we call Opinions are like Casserole Let’s get to that first opinion Josh, Nicole, I love you guys. What’s so funny? Your podcast is amazing. Thank you. And Maggie, hello as well. I love what you do also. Anyways, best way to eat cornbread. Put it in a waffle iron. I’m telling you it’ll crack the crevices and you do a can of chili or you know, if you would make your own But yeah, you do chili poured over a cornbread waffle It’s amazing. You’ll thank me for it. I love you. This has been In oregon. All right. We love you. Ben in oregon Sounds dank. Geography matters here. The fact that he’s from Oregon Does it?! And not somewhere in the South I know, listen. Plenty of Southern people probably puttin Waffle Puttin cornbread in the waffle iron. But I feel like this is one of those things that you can do when you didn’t, like, grow up eating good cornbread. Oh, I see. Like, store bought cornbread. I grew up eating Uh, I swear to God, I haven’t crunched the numbers, but I think the box of Jiffy cornbread may We’re the cheapest calories in the grocery store because growing up we would eat that every single dinner. It would be 79 cents We’d take the little aluminum disposable pans. Yeah, mix it with water bake it off It was just like delicious delicious, but it’s not like good cornbread, right? And so like you take that you put it in a waffle iron that is going to improve it Sure, because it’s getting crispy and craggly and yummy and there’s no like there’s no like crumb to preserve You know cuz it’s just a box mix. It’s perfectly fine So I think that’s great. Do you like cornbread with little pieces of corn in it? Like, it all depends, but like, probably no. If I’m eating like a proper hot water cornbread, like I kind of just want it to be good cornbread. I like buttermilk cornbread. Buttermilk cornbread? I like it buttermilky. There is a fancy restaurant in LA, one of the best, Dunsmore. Oh, yes. Been there before. Had their cornbread. They also have it at the previous restaurant, Brian Dunsmore. Hatchet Hall. But they make a cornbread there. That is one of the better things I’ve eaten in my life. There’s. Probably two full sticks of butter in the entire thing. I have a very sexy video of butter drizzling down it. God, I can’t imagine a better thing than that. Dunsmore is one of the best restaurants in Los Angeles. What a great restaurant. Brian Dunsmore, you do fantastic work. Oh, his name is Brian Dunsmore? He named it after himself? That’s how they got the name, or it was just a huge coincidence. Well, that’s crazy. That’s like opening a place called Sharer’s. I wouldn’t call it that. What would you call it? La de Pique, it means the Ace of Spades in French. La de Pique? La. La. De. De. Pique. La de Pique. Might be called Umbra. Wow. Which means shadow in Latin. That’s sick. Yeah, we both, we both had these names for like 15, 20 years. It’s never gonna happen. It’s never gonna happen. I did that for a project in French class. I did that for a project in culinary school. Really? That’s so funny. I crunched the numbers. It’s good. It’s viable. You just gotta give me a space, man. The name is only French because it was in French class. Uh, but yeah, we came up with a whole menu. And most kids were just like, Omelette, Deux Fromage, Jambon Beurre. And I was like, looking up how to say razor clam. Aw, sweet. Yeah, so we did like a crudo of razor clam. Um, at Lande Peak. This was a good opinion. Good opinion. Hi. I’ve got an opinion. Both are Bobcat related. The first is also a smear on Paul Hollywood. We’re ready. We’re ready. We’re ready. Who? Thank you for the preview. Think that it’s possible to make a bob in less than five hours and also had the gall to insinuate that it was better than a Brooklyn Bob. Nothing than a Brooklyn Bob B. Need minimum 14 hours. to prepare and really for the best kind of babka, it’s going to be at least 24 hours. Okay. Um, the second part of that thought is that, you know, babka being an enriched dough, you know, has a lot of the similar properties to making like cinnamon rolls or doughnuts or brioche. And so if you kind of use a base babka. So, you can make all those good, delicious items just from one dough. Yeah. Thanks. Bye. Yeah. A lot of similarities between, you even look at a lot of Mexican pan dulces, right, conchas, like a lot of them, they come from a sort of, uh, brioche, which isn’t like a classic bread dough. Like a bread dough in France, right, is flour, yeast, water, a brioche is an enriched dough with a lot of fats added to it. Mm hmm. Five hour babka, like, what’s the best babka in five hours? You can make a babka You can make a babka You can make a babka in five hours. The best babka is a babka that has been made with love and care and attention to detail. Sure, but this is a competition show. It’s a competition show, Great British Bake Off. I mean, they’re setting them up for failure if it’s only five hours. Listen, I judged a Try Guys cinnamon roll cook off where All the dough was blood in it, yeah. It was raw. There was blood and it was raw. Uh, so I get it. But competition, you know, it doesn’t reflect reality. But you could make, like, a passable serving babka in five hours. You could, but it’s not gonna be the best babka in the world. The best babka Love you, Zabar’s. 20 minute prep. Two hour rise, 20 minutes more prep. You’re, you need to do an additional rise. Two 40 additional rise for 30, get in the oven. I don’t think it would be, get it in the oven for an hour 15, I don’t think. Let it rest for, and then you 40, you gotta put like a little, like laise on the top and let us sink. I don’t think so. That’s so tight. Five hours is really, really tight to do that. Yeah. 10 and a half hour process. I’m just casually saying 20, but like, you have to roll, you have to fill, it’s a labor of love, then you braid and shape, and then there’s a lot of active time, you don’t have to, no, you don’t just braid it, you roll it, you cut it, striations, braid it, put it in, it’s very, very labor intensive, but it is so good, and nothing’s better than, I want to try the five, try the five hour box of challenge, okay, try it, try it, see what I can come up with, it’s gonna be bad, try it, I’m gonna eat it, and then if it’s really bad, Here’s the best thing to do if you really mess up like a bread or a baked good or whatever. You just bread pudding it. Yeah, of course. You just take anything and you destroy it and then you mix it with eggs and milk and maybe sugar or whatever. And then you just put it in the oven and then it’s a perfectly edible dessert. Correct! Even if I lose, I win. You know, uh, yeah, no, thank you for the Paul Hollywood smear though. Stodgy. Stodgy. It’s a little stodgy, but I have blue piercing eyes. Hi, uh, Josh, Nicole, Maggie, I’m a British A, an American 6. I’m Jojo from Georgia, and I’ve been a long time fan of Sanson’s Day 1 of the pod, and I learned to make fried rice. Because of Josh’s video during the pandemic from his home kitchen, he taught us all how to make fried rice and I’m eternally grateful. I make it for my partner all the time and they love it so much. Um, but my hot little tip, not a take, but a hot tip is, um, the best way to season a fried rice. Is everything bagel season? Oh, it doesn’t have to be the Trader Joe’s kind. They sell that at the grocery store. Now, any grocery store, you can find everything at bagel seasoning, and it has everything you would need for a fried rice. Sure. Who doesn’t want two different types of sesame seeds and poppy seeds and the onion and the garlic and the flaky salt? Who doesn’t want that in their fried rice? It’s perfect. So, um, it’s like a one stop shop. It is amazing. And, um, I’m so grateful to Josh for teaching me how to cook fried rice, but you know, maybe, maybe try this little hot tip next time you make fried rice. And, uh, I’d love to hear what you think. That’s so cute. That’s actually, that’s just a really sweet thing. I remember making that. And I remember, I remember a lot of people, it was like the early days of TikTok got really mad because I. Boiled the rice. I was trying to teach as many people to cook as possible in a really difficult time. Oh, that’s right I remember you got so much hate and I was like hey If you are not comfortable steaming rice if you think you always burn it because I hear that from a lot of home cooks um, you can just boil rice I said like pasta which A lot of people know how to cook pasta may not know how to cook rice and you can just strain it when it’s cooked and then a lot of people were like this is stupid And racist, uh, it’s not because Persians do that all the time. That’s and we are known for having some of the best rice in the whole entire planet. Fluffy basmati Persian. Right. But there’s so many different ways to cook rice across the world. Like, amen. Right. And so, uh, but anyways, yeah, that video is like really special to me. Uh, and that’s really special that you. Remember that and do it and actually learn something from it. That’s so awesome. Um, I don’t think i’ll do this. No terrible idea Really bad. Um, I mean in addition to a fried rice sure. I don’t think it should be the sole Seasoning of the fried rice. I think it can be in addition to the fried rice with all the other stuff in it The through lines she’s drawing though Sesame, garlic, onion, yeah, those are all great seasonings for a fried rice. Carraway seeds and poppy seeds? There’s no carraway in everything. There’s no way they’re putting carraway in the uh, in the Trader Joe’s. Mine has carraway. Oh, maybe not the Trader Joe’s one. Probably not the Trader Joe’s. Oh no, mine has carraway. It’s probably just chunky, and I think that Let’s find out. The thing about everything, people just realized they like chunky garlic and onion. That’s great. I grew up with dehydrated onion flakes. Like, they’re like little toenail clippings and they’re delicious in your food. They’re so good. You put them in rice, it’s great. That’s really vivid. Thank you. And so I think people found out they just like chunky garlic, onion, and salt. Okay, here. And then the sesame and the poppy seeds are just sort of there. Yeah, you’re right. I think. Sesame seeds, sea salt, dried minced garlic, dried minced onion, black sesame seeds, poppy seeds. You are completely correct. There’s black sesame in. She said two different kinds of sesame seeds. Oh, interesting. Uh, but anyways, the, the, the poppy seeds, Poppy seeds, unless you’re eating them in such high quantity, One, fail a drug test, Two, They actually have a flavor, but, Like, you’re not getting the flavor of poppy seed, I don’t think, In a lot of everything. Yeah. Right? I don’t think so. Sesame can come through a little bit, But, I would, My bagel order is just sesame, not everything. Love a sesame bagel. I love sesame seeds. I have, I love all bagels of all shapes and sizes and I also love fried rice of all shapes and sizes. But are you trying to tell me right now that a shrimp Hold on, let me do it. Are you trying to tell me right now, like, on, in this, Jesus is 2025, that a shrimp You’re trying to tell me? You, Nicole and I, yeah. That a shrimp fried this rice. Yeah, yeah, he did. Thank you. That was my dramatic reading of a shrimp fried rice. That was good. I want to make a video where we make a shrimp fried rice. That’d be pretty fun. Um, I want to make like an everything bagel tadig and then put Smoked salmon, cream cheese, that’s a really good idea. I think it’d be really nice. That’s a good idea. You should do it I think you should do it. Why? Your culture is not my culture. It’s because I’m persian. Yeah Wait, is it racist if I do make it or if I don’t make it? I don’t know. You’ve been racist like a few times now. I don’t think i’ve been racist When was I racist? You were racist earlier when you said i’m a child I said spanish people eat later because not all spanish people nap You said that, and then you also said that I was bullied, because I wasn’t No, I said you, you said that I said And then you said I need to make a food, a white I am an ally! A white guy said Cut this all. Cut it all. Maggie, one more. Leave my shame. Maggie, one more. One more. I don’t think you’re racist, I think you’re raced full. I think, I think you love everyone. Yeah! So I just love some more than others. What’s your favorite? What’s your favorite Filipino name? It’s interesting. I like Filipinos. Okay, I thought you were going to say Cambodian. friends. I have a couple of Cambodian friends. Hey, what’s up? What? It is I, Optimus Prime, leader of the Autobots. In my time on your planet, I have done much research into your cultures and customs. And in my humble opinion, chopsticks are a superior utensil to forks. Megatron disagrees. The fate of the world rests in your opinion on this matter. Now, transform and rule loud! That was pretty good. As someone who’s never watched, is it Transformers? Yeah, it sure is. I’ve never watched a Transformer. I would like to think that that impression was really good. Was it? It was really good, but it did have elements of Shane Topps The Chosen character as well in there. The vocal affectation of Optimus Prime was kind of here. Sounds like Napoleon Dynamite. Um, I was so. You have to take their opinion seriously. I was so taken aback by the voice that the opinion didn’t really hit for me. Chopsticks over forks. That’s it. That’s the whole opinion There was so much build up and it was incredible. Josh has been saying this. It was really really well done I enjoyed it thoroughly. Um, I I I mean Josh has talked about this like 45 times like it’s not the most interesting subject matter for me so I’m gonna let him take it. I have no opinion on it. Chopsticks thousands of years old. Forks? Dating back to what, 1400s Italy? Even then they stayed in Italy for a reason. Nicole, if you believe in competitive market structures, the fork would have been invented long ago for eating food. It was meant to eat spaghetti. It’s a one trick pony. Even then, chopsticks way better for eating spaghetti. You know, Italians say you shouldn’t slurp your noodles. It’s simply because they know the fork is a less good version of an implement to eat pasta with than chopsticks, and chopsticks lend well to slurping. Uh, that’s my only thing. There, there are so few foods. That can be eaten better with a fork than chopsticks. And people going, I don’t know how to use chopsticks. If you were born using chopsticks, you know how to use chopsticks. What about peas? What about peas? Peas? Spoon. Spoon. Spoon. Oh, okay. Spoon. Spoon. Again, no. Give me, give me a food that is best eaten with a fork. I don’t want to fight with you right now. Spoon, spoon and chopstick. Knife? No knife on the table. Knife cutting should be done by the person who’s best at cutting food. That’s called a chef. Thank you for listening to our podcast, A Hot Dog is a Sandwich. We got new audio only episodes every Wednesday and a video version here on YouTube every Sunday. You’re probably saying, like, forks have certainly been around. The devil had a pitchfork. You’re saying he was never depicted with it. But no, the forks were tools, they were tools, but not meant to be at a table. And then the French came in, that was Louis XIV. I mean, he was literally just trying to create all of these dining laws to stop his aristocracy from rising up against him. Because if you’re trying to figure out which, if you’re trying to figure out which fork to use for your salad or for your oyster or for your dessert, you’re not thinking about how to overthrow a bloated monarch. If you want to be featured on opinions like casseroles, hit us up at 833 DOG POD 1. The number again is 833 DOG POD 1. Tell it, how am I gonna eat it? Chopsticks. Just, just, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you learned how to use chopsticks from a young age, you would be very deft with them. Your fork is a crutch. Four times on a fork, four fingers on the hand. It’s an affront to God. For more Mythical Kitchen, check out our other videos. We launch new episodes every week. We’ll see you next time. Eat with your hands for crying out loud. So many people, they see a video of someone eating biryani with their hands and they’re like, this is disgusting. It’s like you would eat pizza. Where, where is the line? I’ve had wetter burgers, wetter pizza than biryani. Is it simply a moisture issue? Wetter burgers, wetter pizza, Papa John’s. Shut up.