ramble hey before we get into today’s episode we want to tell you about good mythical evening for one night only we are bringing you good mythical evening streaming exclusively on moment house get your ticket for a most indecent sloshy and random show that takes our classic good mythical morning favorites and torches the rule book the show is live september 1st to jump start the labor day weekend tickets are on sale right now at goodmythicalevening.com [Music] these salty sizzling strips aren’t just for the smiley part of your breakfast plate anymore bacon has made its way onto every section the menu and bacon buffs are zealous and proclaiming that it makes everything better but are these truly innovative flavors or simply a fatty familiar tune today we explore is bacon overrated this is a hot dog as a sandwich ketchup is a smoothie yeah i put ice in my cereal so what that makes no sense hot dog is a sandwich a hot dog is a sandwich welcome to our podcast of hot dogs the sandwich the show where we break down the world’s biggest food debates i’m your host josh air and i’m your host nicole hendy’s audit and today we’re talking about a very sensitive subject nicole because this you say that every part did you know that you always start the podcast but this is a blank yeah you i say this is a blank stuff what are you gonna be like this is a crappy subject no you’re a crappy subject that we’re not gonna discuss you say deeply controversial wow what a garbage podcast today’s gonna be with our very simple no this is the most controversial thing and if we get cancelled over this nicole then it will be it will be all totally worth it because we’re talking about bacon uh enough for the stupid pretext we’re talking about bacon yeah we are which we could consider ourselves part of the bacon industrial complex why do you say that right because i mean if you think about retinlink so much of you know their kind of brand before was this like we literally did one of the first episodes i worked on here was just does bacon make everything better oh and we made burger buns out of bacon we made the actual burger patty which is a whole bacon bacon alia is i believe what denny’s yeah makes sense and then he’s called her baconfest that which was part of the bacon industrial complex but what we’re talking about is is bacon overrated has it grown too big for its bacon britches i think it’s overrated at this point it’s been it’s just been put in so many things that it doesn’t need to be put in and you know there’s there’s bacon chocolate bars there’s bacon cookies there’s bacon gum like i don’t need this stuff you know just give me a slab of bacon with my eggs some toast and a squirt of ketchup like that’s all i need like this is just too crazy i agree i’m fascinated with the idea of these vintage cookbooks right you go like these 1970s recipes like stupid jello molds or like a whole salmon those i love them too but they’re very anachronistic right like we look at them like who would make that today that’s absolutely ridiculous i always wonder how our current culinary moment is going to be perceived by generations after us and what the things are going to look at and be like mom and dad that’s so embarrassing i can’t believe you just turned a bacon strip into a straw to drink a bacon milkshake with bacon caramel that’s right i can’t believe you guys made a taco bell lasagna yeah hey yo that taco bell lasagna that was your kids are gonna be very confused by that my kids are gonna be very confused by a lot but i i will love them just the same little tour build and ham those are their two names ham ham ham is a biblical name it was one of noah’s children isn’t it hamish was he it was ham short for hamish did they give him a nickname genesis are you being serious ham is a name and yeah ham shem and japheth were the three children of noah what do you have a child yeah it is ham ham shem and david why is pig not kosher but noah’s kid’s name is ham explain that connect the dots sheeple noah’s kid named him can’t eat ham for groceries that’s our book the jews we got that one that we wrote that one i think i believe anyways what i’m saying is there is certainly a point in time in which our bacon sins we will have to answer for and i’m fine with that but right now i think we’re actually in a very healthy relationship with our bacon now like in general like at the current moment i don’t believe bacon is overrated and like in like 2009 and 2011 like it was bacon everywhere i couldn’t i couldn’t even walk down the street without seeing bacon no i i think we had a somewhat shameful culinary moment yeah yeah which i think is tied into a lot of things like like everything in life i blame toxic masculinity for this problem uh but no there was god what did there’s a a food writer named i believe jed portman wrote for garden and gun um but he coined a term hold on he called it like the lard and liquor era where it was all just about culinary access yeah like think about the popular restaurants in l.a like animal is a big one that defined you know for you and i especially living in the city you know define a certain culinary moment the whole thing is they cooked and whole animal from nose to tail and they had these like crispy pig ears uh that were you know fried and tossed in a chili thing and then i remember going there and eating like a fried buffalo pigtails with emulsified frank’s red hot vinegar vinaigrette like that and we were like so into this idea of you know just eating pork fat and bacon and excess and putting bacon in literally everything the maple bacon donut is such a big so popular so popular it was popular but i don’t think i do think bacon is losing its allure with people but my question i guess to that end is should it because like i mentioned it’s not bacon’s fault right bacon didn’t bacon didn’t ask bacon lobbyists fault the dang bacon lobby the the the rich the match brothers they’re they’re trading in pork belly futures and they’re selling us all down the river all jokes aside we love the poor the pork board we do we do love the oh yeah we bought anything for a while um let’s talk about one of your culinary heroes that abused bacon abuse bacon harley morrison we’re talking about we’re talking about harley morrison i owned and what once again have nothing but respect for millie martinez i love him great guy and we certainly it was funny when we did this taco bell lasagna on on tick tock um like it was obviously a sort of homage it was definitely inspired by the original fast food lasagna yeah but like a bunch of people like stop stealing epic meal time ideas and i was like okay statute of limitations also we love and respect the epic meal time guys and they honestly taught us they taught me at least a lot in the like viral food world 100 people if it wasn’t for them okay the epic meal time guys walked so we could also walk could also walk just at a slightly quicker pace epic meal time walked so we can walk six years later so we could hoverboard uh no but i mean i’ve actually talked to to harley yeah a little humblebrag uh no harley harley was on on gmail a couple years ago and stupid like fanboy me brought him a copy of my cookbook and was like hey man i i never would have written this if it wasn’t for you i never would have had this job if it wasn’t for the groundwork that y’all laid out because i mean there was certainly cooking content on the internet before that but nothing turned it into a spectacle quite like epic meal time sure and a big part of that spectacle i mean the single sound bite that i remember most from that is bacon strips and bacon strips and bacon strips of course and i own muscles glasses and muscles glasses he muscles glasses alex he is a vegan personal trainer now hot yeah oh he’s yeah still so hot so hot he would oil himself up with all that bacon grease um no but you know they turned cooking to a start cold bacon was a huge part of that i owned the bacon strips and bacon strip shirt and i don’t think that’s like a shirt i would wear now yeah you know because it had its like i said it had its moment it had it it had its explosion but now i just think it’s overrated like if i see a like a bacon chocolate chip cookie like yeah it had its time in the limelight but now it’s just over like that flavor com that flavor composition doesn’t do it for me anymore but what what exactly about your palette would have changed between then and now well let me tell you i used to hate mustard i used to hate mustard seeing mustard would make me audibly gag like if it was on my plate i would just i hated it and then after seven years i love mustard put mustard on everything like sun-dried tomatoes i used to love sun-dried tomatoes now when i see a sun-dried tomato i wretch sun-dried tomatoes are an interesting thing to bring up because sun-dried tomatoes worth of bacon of the late 90s early 2000s really well i mean as far as a thing this is something that like a lot of food writers look back on that era and will kind of cringe right every single dish at every fine dining restaurant had like a sun-dried tomato and roasted red bell pepper [ ] ugh so exhausting right so it’s so exhausting and like not to be a fancy lady but oh i’m exhausting a [ ] with sun-dried tomato come on first of all let’s go to the next one like i’m such a oh first of all let’s go to the gastropub where they’re putting arugula under the bacon burgers because now it is 2007. uh but no there’s certain i would call them i don’t know what the word shibboleth means but i feel like i remember it from a linguistics class it’s like the one super salient feature of a thing maggie’s laughing at shibboleth do you know what shibaleth means someone look what do you mean no hang it up a shibboleth is any customer tradition usually a choice of phrasing or even a single word that distinguishes one group of people from another yeah so i would say there are certain culinary shibboleths from different eras what don’t let them shibble it there’s certain culinary shibboleths it sounds like you’re saying civil shepherd who’s symbol shepard uh the lady and taxi driver no i never saw a taxi driver that’s the one where robert de niro or al pacino robert robert diccino i actually re re-watched it last week but you were saying good idea that you can look at different eras right you look at the 70s you see like jello molds or whatever um certain areas that you can look back on and be like man people were using and abusing that thing and bacon is just kind of caught in that but again the taste of sun-dried tomatoes never changed the taste of bacon never changed just now but you changed changed we changed the culinary canon changed now it’s all about spec spec the new point rather coming to bacon burgers near you do you want your burger wrapped inspect you want speck and chocolate do you want spec flavored vape juice you were not expecting smackdown it expects like a slightly worse german bacon right yeah it’s like prosciutto a little bit i like to think i’m starting to think back to like that era of dining this uh lard and liquor eras when i started like going to nice restaurants like my brother would like save up his student loan money and like take me to a nice restaurant and i remember getting just yeah shout out to john johnson johnny rock uh introducing me so many cool foods in l.a in a time when i was like kind of looking to to what i wanted to do and it really inspired me a lot but i remember going to restaurants i believe salt’s cure was one of them you know i would always drive by it and i’d always say you know what i’m gonna go to brunch one day and i’m gonna do it by myself and just sit and read a book and go to brunch at salt’s cure never did it never did it never did it never did i do it but boy oh boy did the nicole in my head really want to i love that there’s always the person in your head that you wish you were you know like oh i’m totally gonna be the girl like i’m gonna step a single french 75 and like read a novel and a man’s gonna come up to me and go like what are you reading i’m like listen sir i’m here by myself and nicole is enjoying a nicole day and you never do it i never do it i did it once and you know what i had a good time and the lady even came up and was like what are you reading and i was like some garbage pretentious book there’s power in solitude especially during this time when everyone just wants to be a part of a collective it’s like i’m gonna rebel and eat bacon and read a book during brunch by myself making yourself available only to yourself is a power you know despite like well why would you go do that in a crowded bar actually to de-stress from shoots when we first started shooting here and i was all like nervous every time we do it i used to go to black market liquor bar great place great place and it’s very it’s it’s dark and it’s very loud and it’s cool beautiful yeah and just really delicious cocktails single favorite penicillin in the city and i would go there and i would sit alone at the corner of the bar and i would just let the sounds of studio city watch over me that’s really cathartic what i was saying about saltscare yeah is that in this lard and liquor era i remember just getting a tub of whipped lardo oh my god don’t talk to me about lardo oh my it’s literally like you get bread and butter except it’s bread and pork fat oh my god so i don’t even think it was bacon as the most overrated thing this is just this era where everyone was trying to put pork fat in everything and i’ll tell you what’s more overrated than bacon pork belly oh yeah pork belly is dumb i don’t understand how first of all bacon is pork belly obviously it’s just bigger it’s well i mean yeah but i mean bacon is it starts off with a whole pork belly that’s that’s sugar and salt cured and then smoked yes and then typically sliced into strips but then you know pork belly is just unseasoned bacon yes and it’s just cut differently yeah it’s kind of like you can cut pork belly into strips you go to korean barbecue you get pork belly it’s cut like american bacon you know but so many places started advertising especially after bacon went out the window in say like 2010 2011 or something people started advertising pork belly burgers and everyone’s like oh my god pork belly is so indulgent it’s so good i’m being bad today do you know that pork fat’s actually better for you than olive oil because it’s like bro you’re just putting unseasoned you’re putting plain flavored bacon on that burger oh no but they would like they would alter it a little bit they wouldn’t just say they wouldn’t take bacon and call it pork belly they would take pork belly and say it was pork belly and add like a half-assed bacony sort of glaze on it yeah yeah no yeah yeah i agree with you kind of yeah because well everything every single dining experience i’ve had it’s like pork belly sliders or like yeah pork belly freaking i was going to say omelette but nobody makes pork belly omelets but i should make a pork belly oh no this is actually a perfect example of like someone trying to make a fancier version of bacon and calling it pork belly i had a you know the hang town fry sure with the oysters yeah hang down fry it’s like one of the coolest dishes it’s a california original from like the you know pioneer mining days up in san francisco miners would take their like you know gold riches of the day and they’d want to buy themselves a fancy meal go to the saloon and they’d get an omelette that was studded with bacon cheese uh fried oysters and maybe hollandaise i think but anyways i got a fancy version of a hang town fry and they put poor they advertise pork belly instead of bacon and i thought it was going to be bacon because you need that saltine to switch the eggs you already got the salty oysters but i want both of those double saltines it’s like minerally salt and like yeah fat salt exactly you get like both you get sea salt and then land salt yeah sure this is just like unseasoned pork belly just thrown on there and it like ruined the dish for me completely was this that salt cure no this was somewhere else yes okay you want to tell me no i’ll tell you after i’m not just going to flame this random person but they are now kind of big on media and it makes me mad um they seem really nice uh i hope they don’t hear this uh but uh but anyways you know that was like an issue where bacon would have been the correct choice but because bacon is passe and pork belly will eventually be passed eventually but it was now kind of in the moment then they used that and it made it a worse dish so there’s part of me that thinks that us reacting so strongly to the bacon being overrated is putting us back in an even worse hole like bacon hat bacon is delicious no one is denying that here bacon is delicious it was just overused whenever i was beginning my culinary career it was just in everything and it really boggled my mind i’m like is this really what it’s all about like baking this making that bacon whatever and bacon bake remember the bacon wrapped avocado with the egg inside of it from estrella from mrexcel like that was like upper echelon amazing stuff that was happening and then it was like people just like putting like wrapping everything in bacon it was just tiresome i mean i remember going to an event and they had a mason jar on every single table filled you know it was going just filled with strips of bacon and it was a hot day and the bacon was just sweating in the sun and there were these like rich fancy people these rich fancy people just like grabbing fistfuls of bacon covered in grease their wine glasses are stained with grease oh my gosh i mean truly this thing like marred by a different kind of excess right not like a not like a rich excess almost a sort of pedestrian excess yeah where it’s like look i can eat pork fat like the commoners you know that’s kind of what it what it reminded me of yeah but what was i going to say i don’t know we’re going to compare it to like uh like the greeks and how they had like yeah that was like the downfall the downfall of the roman empire was there access yeah that was us that would be a very ironic way for america to go down like not because of you know political infighting and widespread corruption and a distrust in media and distrust and institutions distrust and democracy in general but like bacon just gives everyone heart disease exactly we do have the don’t have the highest rate of heart disease in like the world we got a lot of hypertension in america and i think yeah bacon gives americans hypertension unless the pork board is bad lean pork exists and is good well all i’m saying is bacon is delicious i love bacon i eat it often but i just think it’s used too much use other things use prosciutto use guanciale use other ways of pork hey hot doggers we wanted to tell you about our exciting upcoming event mythical heck yeah we do mythical is our first ever immersive weekend experience with the mythical kitchen rhett and link and a big old bunch of the mythical crew there’s a carnival a dance party live podcast it’s gonna be huge it’s on october 28th to the 30th in austin texas for one weekend only so you don’t want to miss it check out mythicontickets.com for ticket availability event details and any updates tickets are on sale now including packages chalk full of super exclusive merch and a very special sunday brunch with your favorite mythical crew members and we all know your favorite mythical crew member is nicole over to mythicontickets.com right now to check out availability i’m trying to think of what the current moment is doing to excess you know what is the bacon of now uh i mean we went through a kale phase for that big thing everyone doing a kale caesar salad especially because i mean the thing massaged kale massage kale because the big thing with bacon was that like it was just places where it just didn’t belong yeah right like um i mean pepper aleppo pepper is the a lot of peppers on everything oh shishito peppers no i like pizza you know what i think the one most overrated kind of thing is right now that people fetishize to a degree that they fetishize bacon uh can i guess yeah grilled cheese sandwiches no i do love grilled cheese no it’s kind of in the opposite spectrum of bacon a juice it’s well juice is part of it but uh i’d say beans rancho gordo b rancho gordo beans dude what is up with this what is up with these weird one rancho gordo they make like they make nice beans they’re good beans yeah right it’s good beans but when quarantine hit especially you had all these people especially people in food media who are like part of this bean club and part of the monthly bean club at rancho gordo and rancho gordo i follow uh i believe his name is steve sandow who like you know operates it and he was like sending out instagram messages all the time like i’m so sorry we have like a thousand people on our bean club waiting list and it’s like i don’t know it’s i don’t want to go so far as to saying it’s virtue signaling as a response to the bacon epidemic that we had in 2008 okay because i think like when i talked about masculinity i do think that that plays into this i think there is some weird politics involved in this are being masculine no beans are feminine bacon’s masculine got it not like actually but i’m saying you know um talking about the way that i don’t know say masculinity etc politics your sort of beliefs and empowering that effects down to your food choices right if you were to ask like like people who uh swear by red meat so for instance there’s a football coach named john harbaugh okay right john harbaugh is a little bit of a wackadoo he is the coach of uh university of michigan okay jim harbaugh one of the harbaugh brothers but anyways he tells his players not to eat chicken because it is a nervous bird chickens are too nervous and skittish that you if you try and get the protein from chicken meat you will be nervous and skittish so you gotta eat beef beef is a resolute animal and like with how important beef is to texas and pork is to the south i think there’s this kind of thing where like you think you’re a big tough guy if you eat a bunch of bacon and i think you can see whenever i would post a picture of vegetables because again i’m complicit in this whole bacon alia thing because i wrote a food blog called culinary bro down right make a bunch of bacon stuff yeah i was gonna ask you how much of your book is actually baking not even that that that much uh there’s certainly like a fairy amount in there um and again i do love bacon yeah but you know i would post a picture of any vegetables and you get so many like meat heart oh guys in your dms being like that’d be better wrapped than bacon and it’s like there’s no moral virtue you’re not a tough guy for eating bacon or it’s the same people who are like you post a video of you cast iron searing a steak and they’re like the only way to cook a steak is outside on a fire with your bare hands you need to kill a bear and then make a spatula from its bones kill a bear that got dramatic real fast no but i mean that to me is like the kind of psychology behind this and then you know the response to this like all bake and everything is like hey everyone we should be eating plant-based beans are a source of good natural protein and fiber we should all be eating beans but now let’s completely fetishize them and make a waitlist a thousand people long to get the finest beans in the land yeah beans are invoked did you know there’s something called cranberry beans i recently found this out they’re so pretty they look like a tie-dye t-shirt oh my god scarlet runner beans oh my god yes unbelievably gorgeous [Music] i don’t know a bunch of fancy beans from rancho gordo and i also love beans and again i like we’re both susceptible to trends yeah as well for sure um but i just like to eat my rosarita beans give me some ortega black beans sir give me that’s a little like the cane refried bean stuff yeah but i just always wonder where the natural end point of these trends is going to be you know what i think the next food trend is going to be cool peppers we’re talking bell or chilies chilis yeah i think chilies people are going to want to look for cool ass chilis it’s starting yeah it’s already i um and i almost ruined my shot with my girlfriend at julia whom i love very much no on our first date i must have told you the story i had to have told you the story tell me tell me we went to nightshade by maylin one of my favorite restaurants oh my god i went to nightshade and what a fur that’s a big first date movie that’s a bold first statement that is right there and just weird fact tim duncan and greg popovich the san antonio spurs were dining wow like what a good sign and we order some like crudo dish or something and the server goes oh and that’s served with habanado peppers they are a habanero which the capsaicin has been removed they’ve been bred that way okay so you get all the bright flavor of a habanero without the crushing heat and i go oh my god what farm are those peppers from oh yeah okay to me it was a very normal question especially someone that used to write about restaurants in melee and also write about agriculture i was like okay this could be from kung tao up in fresno or it could be dan barber row seven seed company cause both of them are doing really cool things with peppers uh and uh the server i thought would immediately have the answer ready because that’s the type of restaurant where they go to yeah exactly they know everything they should know everything on the back of their hand i totally agree with that but in also julia was a restaurant publicist at the time and so i i didn’t think anything of it i wasn’t trying to impress her i was asking out of my own curiosity sure but she was just immediate she literally went like i’m gonna leave as a joke but i was like oh my god no no no like i’m not a dick i’m just you see and the server was like i don’t know what you’re talking about and then it comes back and goes like oh it’s like row seven seed and i was like it is dan barber i knew it dan barber’s breeding these peppers that’s the same dude that literally just fed chickens a diet of only chili peppers to see if it would turn their yolks red and it did it did it did wow like how red i don’t know like like fire engine red or like opaque i’m sure we can go like maybelline lips lipstick red really important i need to know i can’t tell you but all i know is i now in the same way that i wanted bacon in 2008 i want to eat these stupid chickens with the red yolks oh eggs eggs is a big one fancy egg fancy egg what kind of fancy eggs are going on you know people are gonna i you know what people are gonna start feeding their eggs blue sour straws and then the yolk is gonna turn aquamarine this is what i think the limit does not yeah that’s that’s the next thing do you say the limit does not exist we are gonna make egg yolks every color ladies and gents we got red from the chili’s we got blue from the sour straws what’s another unnatural color ah you got purple from skittles you’re gonna give them the purple skittles you’re gonna feed them a whole box of froot loops no skittles are white in the middle sometimes i’m sorry and then in 25 years we’re going to be looking back on this being like our rainbow eggs overrated here’s the thing the shibalits of the rainbow eggs i’m telling you it’s chilies and rainbow eggs you heard it here first on the podcast a hot dog is a sandwich and we are going to be equally ashamed of that in 20 years you know what i think nicole hey here’s the thing of what i think basically buddy bacon’s fine bacon’s fine bacon’s good right and we enjoy bacon it’s salty it’s crispy it’s all meaty sausage has always been the superior choice can i ask you a question about your bacon preference do you like your bacon floppy or crispy floppy okay see because i like mine floppy too but sometimes i like to microwave it and then it gets really crispy like like teeth shattering crispy that’s really really good too but i went to this really great restaurant what was it called um uh the rose have you been to the rose in venice i love the rice i had a big piece of bacon like like you can’t see my hand right now but it looked like a i don’t know like like a vape like a vape the size of a vape of a vape oh the big old vape rings that yeah yeah you see them just pouring out of cars and you’re like oh god yeah you know like the extension packs of digimon and stuff gameboy like a gameboy extension pack but a vape yeah so so does that knows bacon and my friend worked there and we got to eat their paragratis which i really really enjoyed that means free oh yeah i thought it was a i was like yes the pate made from the liver of the songbird of the galapagos so i’m familiar with that dish no way they’re powdered teas which is free in spanish and then and then uh it was just this big old vape size slab of bacon and then the outside was crispy the inside was like this beautiful soft gorgeous like meat and then it was glazed in this maple and then they put like alder wood smoked salt on it oh sorry just salivated you just drooled on the table this is a nice to put a coaster down if you’re going to draw you have a coaster right here it is a multi-purpose coaster that’s that’s a situation where the bacon is the star of the show right yeah bacon gets to take precedent yeah whereas like in all these other things they’re trying to shove bacon in places where it doesn’t belong and i know something about shoving things where they don’t belong what why are you laughing but okay what do you think the best application for bacon is if bacon’s overrated and now there’s been this whole rejection of bacon where do you think bacon should stay what’s the best application for it i like bacon cut up in my pancakes yeah yeah that’s nice you get the little studs of salt yeah yeah even like a breakfast sandwich i always prefer sausage over bacon but that said a blt for me is one of the most perfectly constructed sandwiches of all time sometimes when i feel really i have a blt like once a year what’s the special occasion for your once a year because it’s pure unadulterated pork yes and i feel bad about that oh that makes sense you have a bit of the pork shame yeah i do of course i do it’s intrinsically within me i’ve seen you shove a lot of fistfuls of prosciutto in your mouth there’s been a too much just pursue you like huddle you like go into the fridge and try and hide behind the door but i see the little fat flaps of prosciutto hanging out as you’re shoving it in your mouth i love prosciutto is different for me it’s because my dad showed me what prosciutto was when i was 14 and he changed my life forever bacon is different bacon is still really naughty for me so i have it once a year i have a blt once a year to remind me like you this is your industry like you work in food like you’re allowed to eat this it’s a part of your job that’s really beautiful i think that’s very beautiful thank you in conclusion yes bacon whether we like it or not it has cultural weight to it like you said you have more shame about eating bacon than prosciutto that’s more cultural weight when people say that would be better wrapped in bacon everything’s better wrapped in bacon no one says everything’s better wrapped in ham or prosciutto so whether we like it or not bacon is i do agree with that bacon has become such a huge intrinsic part of our culture and i do agree that for a time it was overrated there was a about a five year period that we’re going to look back on with a lot of shame for what we did with bacon but bacon is a spectacular product i don’t need to convince anyone of that of course but it should be treated with respect and also restraint respect and restraint respect and restraint things that we do none of what’s wrong with us i’m learning it’s a process this is the pot calling all the kettle’s black yeah i’m trying man okay nicole we’re back nicole we’ve heard what you and i have to say now stop laughing now it’s time to find out what i i’m just kidding keep laughing nicole your laughter brings me so much joy it is like the laughter of a small child it’s like when you fall down and you see the smile on a baby’s face looking at you playing the buffoon this is what your laughter does to me nicole we’ve heard what you and i had to say now it’s time to find out what other wacky ideas are rallying out there in the internet all these stupid opinions sign for a segment we call opinions are like casseroles [Music] uh no these opinions aren’t stupid they’re controversial hold on i want to go back to the thing that we’re talking about what we’re talking about like like culinary trends that go overboard it’s funny seeing that in other cultures uh-huh right and that like they don’t necessarily affect ours like i remember i went to a very fine dining restaurant in israel it was i believe from oh fun yeah yeah yeah um very well known like uh should have a michelin star if michelin traveled to israel but they don’t um but anyways their whole thing like mexican food just hit israel at the time i was when i went it was sushi that’s why yeah i was like a little a couple years after the sushi craze remember that like vietnamese immigrants were like opening sushi bars cause people really wanted it in the desert um but anyways uh mexican food they don’t just find dining restaurant and like one of the dishes was like you know like a the what do they call them they call marquitas in in cuba the thinly sliced plantain chips but they’re like long uh-huh okay there’s one of those with like black bean puree oh yeah and like a tomatillo puree dotted on it okay but it was literally just like a plain black bean puree but if you’ve never had black beans right if you’ve only eaten you know thinking about like uh what’s in fool chickpeas not chickpeas lentils no the other one i don’t i don’t know what flava oh flavor beans like fava beans and chickpeas and lentils and stuff like that you see like a black bean you’re like holy crap it’s just like a pureed black bean on a plantain with some like bad salsa verde it’s okay man they’re learning it’s a process and it’s a completely different taste to other people but i’m like yo growing up in southern california like this is yeah this is laughable it was like child like and all the rest of the dishes i was blown away by this is a good segue into this they had like a fish dish with like a horseradish and lemon you know uh nitrogen frozen buttermilk ice cream they like pounded on it and spread it over the fish hey speaking of fish and ice cream opinion casseroles some nerd zack says fried catfish dipped in soft serve vanilla ice cream is delicious no joke this is joe this is joke some nerd zack this is a joke right he’s gross no but hold on i think you know what i’m going to say here well you took a bunch of tartar sauce and you just spun that in an ice cream maker no i thought you were going to say you dip french fries and ice cream why not accidentally pick up the fried fishes on the side of your fish and chips i thought that’s what you’re going to do that is that is uh a bridge a bridge quite far i’m not gonna say too far i’m not gonna roll it out the thought of fish and vanilla ice cream makes me feel a little bit not great yeah a little bit sick you know what’s good oysters and vanilla really yes that’s one of those things they both have that kind of like um very perfumey yes yeah yeah what’s it called uh it’s uh thorium no this is like one of those like stupid perfume like words uh i i i i no i’d ida hauls idahos it’s like idaho no you know girl that one no aldehydes aldehydes thank you i’m also yeah aside from being a food nerd i’m also a perfume nerd they both have similar aldehydes which is why when you put in your mouth it tastes good together should we start a perfume podcast yeah you like don’t tell me that because i will drop everything and i will do a peer preview podcast it’s going back down so it smells pretty good there’s notes of juniper jasmine it smells like a sexy sexy ladies wearing it but like dignified huh like a sexy dignified lady what’s that sandals one sandals and wood okay f fsu lacks 22 says avocado is overrated and tastes like cardboard what kind of cardboard are you eating can i have some because i love avocado they’re either eating really bad avocados are really good cardboard and i want to know which one i don’t i’m not ruling either of them out you could be right but bro give me some of that cardboard yeah if your cardboard tastes like avocado sign me up i i get why people wouldn’t like an avocado like there aren’t a ton of other plants like it right but yeah that’s the good part it’s like the added cream it’s like natural creaminess i agree with that those are the reasons i love it but i could see how someone would be freaked out by it but i could never see how someone would think it tastes like cardboard also uh there’s a big florida state lacrosse fan fsulx22 go go knoll’s lacrosse team but your opinions are bad at busby oh good good little segway here nicole white rice with ranch and bacon bits is delicious and oat milk is much better than almond milk two opinions one opinion per casserole not much of a casserole at all i suppose at that point white rice with ranch and bacon bits yeah that sounds good that sounds like a thing i would have eaten growing up that that sounds like what my mom’s signature dish would have been had she had a signature dish got it it would have been that you think it’s real bacon bits or fake bacon fake it’s it’s bacon it’s bacon it’s bacon okay it’s the thing that look like the the fish food yeah they’re vegan they’re vegan they’re great it’s just like little rice crunchies with liquid smoke in it and salt yeah i love them cool uh yeah this is cool i also agree that oat milk is better than almond milk but oat milk has more fat than almond milk so that’s why you like it because it emulsifies better in your coffee no it has more carbs right it doesn’t lose much fat does it have more fat too it okay so oat milk needs an added fat to help it emulsify because almonds have natural fat in there and so it just mixes up but it kind of separates i don’t know if you’ve noticed that almond milk yeah yeah sometimes though they’ll put like carrageenan they’ll put some sort of chemical there guar gum yeah yeah yeah but with oat milk they use less of that because they use vegetable oil to help emulsify it yeah so you see a lot of the times whenever you make your own almond milk it separates and it gets weird but if you buy like store-bought or if you add a little bit of vegetable oil to it it helps with the combination it’s funny though that sometimes we we confuse like fat creaminess with carb creaminess if that makes sense yeah like risotto right risotto you people use the term creamy for risotto but there’s no cream in the risotto it just starts making creaminess so that’s the difference between almond milk and oat milk you’re getting starch versus fat except they kind of add more starch into one and add more fat into another yeah yeah i like almond milk i like oat milk more awkward oh it’s my turn you’re awkward you said i i smile like a babe baby like a bae like a young baby no i said you bring the same joy to my life as a baby are you for real that’s the best compliment you’ve ever given me other than when you called me your de facto best friend that was like two hours ago actually you called yourself my de facto best friend uh-huh yeah yeah that was a title you bestowed upon yourself yeah it sucks okay we neep nut has come up a couple times and we still don’t know how to pronounce her name okay nepe nut says i don’t know how weird this is but opinion casserole spaghettios with meatballs are far superior to the meatball-less spaghettios which are just sad they’re both sad sorry uh now spaghettios with meatballs was my favorite food up until i was like nine and it was indeed much fancier and better than meatball less spaghettios okay looking back now if you taste them side by side the meatballs does taste like dog food a little bit but not in a bad way like in a way that i really love canned meat products and they all smell like dogs like potted meat potted meat corned beef hash in a can is so much better than the fresh stuff didn’t eat more beef stew give me all that yeah is good but you know what that’s done is that i don’t smell those and go that smells like dog food i smell dog food and i go that smells like breakfast [Laughter] what why you do that i no i don’t pate pate this is a good example i eat a lot of canned pork liver and i don’t think there’s anything wrong with that no there’s a vietnamese brand of pork liver pate the same stuff you put on bun meats it’s really good i’ve had that it’s really good you crack it open it smells like dog food because dog food is just made up and liver yeah you know so i smell dog food and i’m just like mmm sandwich bread i don’t think there’s anything weird about that yeah dog food is just all dog food is technically human i’m getting it no it’s not stop you’re digging yourself into a hole okay i deserve to have like some of them are just like bison cranberries and barley and i’m like that’s a good snack for a growing boy too we have epic bars that literally have those three things in them those are dog food epic bars are as close to dog food as dog food all right at royal city rocco one i prefer barbecue chips with french onion dip over plain slash rich chips plain slash rich chips are good dipped in ketchup miracle whip or both it’s just kind of serious it’s like they were trying to get this off their chest yeah it’s okay to tell someone you gotta let it happen but this does bring up nicole a very controversial what is it and i know what you’re saying josh you say every topic but not this is wow what a controversy i hope that people if you know if you’re gonna come for us for saying this then it’s fine because we need to say this we have an obligation to call to the people i guess i don’t think you should dip flavored chips into a dip what i don’t know i don’t know even like dipping doritos and salsa doesn’t taste right to me this doritos and salsa we’re talking about dipping flavored chips into a flavor no no no okay have you ever have you ever dipped like you said a barbecue chip with french onion it don’t taste right to me the seasoning powder is the dip it is a dry dip it is a salsa already on top of the chip no no no that’s a no i don’t know you are wrong it’s been done okay what about you take a flamin hot cheeto and you dip it in cream cheese that’s the one exception the one okay what that said let me just hold up let me finish okay go ahead yes oh i thought you had something so no no okay so what i was gonna say is that um cream cheese is like a plain dip so you can’t take okay uh i think you get one mix in it’s like a cold stone where your parents go yeah one mixing wink i don’t have 59 cents for gummy bears you get sprinkles yeah one mix in but then anything after that you put a single speck of black pepper in that scallion cream cheese it’s no longer a plain dip oh my god scallion cream cheese okay what okay let’s think about something else uh what’s it what’s a dip what’s a dip you like guacamole no no one does chips and guacamole like who’s going to do blazing guacamole oh potato you said no one dips chips and guacamole like nicole you need to get out no no we’re talking about no we’re talking about like potato chips yeah potato chips buffalo chicken dip okay ranch oh dude but like are you saying just like ranch chips dipping ranch chips and bubble chicken dip i don’t think it would taste right to me well no it would you’re right what if you take buffalo chips and dip them in ranch ranch is a plain dip what if this is so silly this is so silly what if you took okay have you ever had the ruffles queso uh it’s a green and blue package yes yes yes yes okay what if you dip that in refried beans okay that sounds pretty good to me i think i’m just a fraud um but i’ll give you that one i’ll give you that one okay barbecue chips french onion dip that sounds like really it literally changed you doing that to me you doing this freudian sort of breakdown that actually did change the potential flavor of barbecue chips and french onion dip in my mouth you need to listen you need to see all options before you until you hate something that’s i’m a firm believer in that that’s a beautiful beautiful sentiment nicole okay uh nm zimmer xo says i eat peanut butter butter and cheese sandwiches i feel like i mean i’ve liked it since middle school or so lol um dressed uh hold on nicole i’m gonna jump in and just interrupt demand you right now um no we have not addressed i believe in the podcast since we did the live stream that we ate a bunch of your garbage peanut butter opinions garbage most of them were pretty bad right yeah a lot of them were really bad no offense i spent whenever we would talk about these on opinions like casseroles i would always give it the benefit of the doubt of like oh i could see how that works peanut butter and tomato peanut butter and avocado i can see this and then in practice they were almost all bad they were almost all inedible peanut butter and jalapeno it was good it was good you know i’ve had jalapeno peanut butter before and it’s really good it makes sense yeah that makes sense um peanut butter eggs and sriracha was maybe my second favorite uh i like the marshmallow fluff and the stuff top marshmallow fluff peanut butter and stovetop stuffing was a shocker that was yeah i really like that one but a lot of them the peanut butter and the hot dog not good peanut butter and salami not good so we’ve we’ve now given a lot of these a shot um and i can pretty confidently say to me peanut butter butter and cheese sounds bad um yeah bad bad bad yeah yeah bad you enjoy it that’s the only important thing you’ve liked since middle school lol you say that’s fantastic good for you bad yeah oh this is interesting at command tomb actual hazelnut spread and cream cheese is superior to pb j i’ve never had that but if someone who doesn’t like cream cheese frosting uh-huh i don’t know that i would like a they’re talking about nutella right uh i like to think that they’re talking about nutella why wouldn’t they just say nutella no latta okay leg ass nutella whatever yeah uh when i was growing up we would eat this on matzah this would be my snack nutella and cream cheese well it was kosher for passover oh yeah which was the weird growth i’ve seen that yeah the yellow top at the valley village ralph yeah yeah and then the whipped cream cheese and then matzah it was actually really good i really enjoyed it and this flavor combination i still enjoy to this day i grew up on cream cheese and jelly and that is a fantastic combo that i love no no no you don’t like cream cheese and jelly i mean i do it kind of tastes like a danish yeah the best part about it yeah it kind of tastes like a danish but i think nutella holds a very special place in my heart i love nutella i’m not the biggest nutella fan i i enjoy it on crips and things like that but i don’t go out of my way to eat it at captain fem shep cinnamon should be thrown back into the fires of hell from whence it came also when you say once you don’t need to say from once it’s actually just back to the fires of hell once it came uh okay shakespeare cinnamon is like the best spice though the best spice cinnamon’s like the best i don’t know about the best what would you what do you got over cinnamon i think we’re going to discuss that on a podcast a little later oh oh quite interesting uh but no cinnamon’s great um you’re just like kind of wrong on this i don’t know how much cinnamon is delicious maybe you just have a heavy hand with it or you just don’t know how to use it and like you’re just like you think listen a teaspoon of cinnamon in a recipe is actually a lot of cinnamon because it’s so fine and it’s so like concentrated the powder like it’s a lot of cinnamon i think people do just chuck it into too many sweet goods without any intentionality yeah i agree but i mean i i love cinnamon and savory food though me too like you i mean i mean like a flaw broth right you get that just like slight perfumey cinnamony in this yeah i get more star anise more acidity i one time i had i had broth from whole foods and it was so star and you see i was like yeah yeah yeah it tastes like a candle tastes like a candle okay leftover jared says i eat tamales with mayonnaise and it’s delicious josh this is the last time i’m telling you stop making burner accounts i’m not interested in your crappy opinions you can just say them to my face i would eat tamales with mayonnaise so yeah a couple days ago i had um tweeted a picture of what i refer to as white trash tamales and i know people might say josh you can’t say white trash anymore that’s that’s offensive it’s my people i can say what i want okay um i made yesterday what um someone referred to as uh guisados sorry guizados huero okay which is a white boy stew i believe um but widow means white boy yeah yeah i put green bean casserole on my taco and it was really was it good and so that to me is the perfect um fusion that leads into mayonnaise on tamales that’s great i’m proud of you thank you thank you thank you one more one more one more we got time for one more hold on i like this one i like this one at link roberts one cheetos aren’t chips and neither are freedoms i already debated this burritos not fritos they’re saying fritos aren’t chips in the same way that orzo aren’t noodles oh but she has a point you can’t that’s why fritos had to create a whole separate frito to make it dippable as a chip fritos scoops i agree fritos are not chips and that’s the final word nicole can’t respond because we are out of time thank you so much for stopping by whatever this podcast is called all right on that note thank you for listening to a hot dog as a sandwich if you want to hear more from us here in the mythical kitchen we got new episodes for you every wednesday if you want to be featured on opinions or like casseroles you can hit us up on twitter at mythicalchef or at handyzade with the hashtag opinioncasserole for more mythical kitchen check us out on youtube where we launch new videos every week and of course if you want to share pictures of your dishes hit us up on instagram at mythical kitchen see y’all next time i love you [Music] thanks for listening to this 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