ramble before you get into today’s episode it’s me trevor everetts the host of the podcast trevor talks too much here to tell you about a very special episode we have uh it’s gonna be all me solo not only will i be talking too much by my darn self but i’ll be giving you all a closer look into my mind the window into the inner workings of the mythical swag lord uh so i’ll be talking a bit more about me this particular episode is all about some of the struggles i’ve had coming out of the pandemic social anxiety and how some of these new connections have me kind of looking deeper into my inner self and doing some reflection so don’t forget to be on the lookout for this episode next week by subscribing to trevor talks too much on apple spotify or wherever you get your podcast jack the ripper jeffrey dahmer john wayne gacy truth be told the biggest serial killer isn’t any of these guys it’s an inappropriate milk pour in a big bowl of cat and crunch today nicole and i answer a very important question before the milk or the cereal first this is a hot dog is a sandwich ketchup is a smoothie yeah i put ice in my cereal so what that makes no sense hot dog is a sandwich a hot dog is a sandwich welcome to our podcast a hot dog is a sandwich the show we break down the world’s biggest food debates i’m your host josh sharer and i’m your host nicole handy zada and today nicole i know i say this every week yeah yeah no but this is honestly this is a classic debate this is a classic culinary conundrum does it have to be i don’t think it should be it’s shocking because there are ones like pineapple on pizza where where i understand right there yeah i get that yeah uh should boneless wings be called wings those are ones that i understand but do you pour the cereal or the milk first i had no idea it was a debate it shouldn’t be a debate because there’s only one right answer it’s the cereal first and then you put the milk and nicole a week ago i would have agreed with you my whole life i would have agreed with you but like when we talked about doing this podcast you and i are both lifelong cereal first poor of course because it to me it seems intuitive to do that yeah why would you it doesn’t make sense like ergonomically mathematically even spiritually does it make sense that’s the thing a lot of we always talk about people implying some sort of moral purity about different food things like when people talk about you should only eat a steak medium rare there’s some sort of like elitism about it the cereal first versus milk first thing takes it to a whole new level where it’s not about moral purity it’s just like you’re an actual psychopath you have bodies in your closet chaotic evil chaotic evil if you pour the milk first so i decided [ ] like what’s that show mind hunter right the dude hannibal pannable yeah it goes in the minds of the serial killer or whatever that’s hannibal is that hannibal uh hannibal doesn’t i thought he just eats people yeah but no it’s it’s the guy that works alongside hannibal i just finished cannibal no who’s watson that’s that’s the point is i decided i decided nola and nola homes and no the homes i’ve heard it’s a good one anyways i’ve decided to get into the mind of the serial killer and go into the belly of the beast and for a week i bought i bought some nice whole milk and i and i mixed it with protein powder because that’s how i eat my cereal and i got a box of special k red berries wait back up you put protein powder in your milk yeah yeah i like because i love eating cereal but i want to get the macros it’s bulking i get that so the protein so i mix protein powder with milk and then which is a whole separate that’s cereal what protein powder is cereal what do you mean the cereal doesn’t have protein like if they made protein infused cap and crunch that that’d be a huge hit for the bro community the bro community and and i think i can speak as there’s protein infused cereals you know they do make protein in a few cereals there have been a couple uh cool companies out there but the problem is they don’t like absorb milk which we’ll get into later milk absorption functions but anyways in my special gate red berries i poured my protein milk sludge which we can just call milk first for the first time in my life i’ve never done that before and i did it every day for a week how did you feel tell us i felt more adult i would tell you why i think that i think i have ascended to a certain galaxy brain spiritual plane so there are a couple argument like what is your main argument for why you pour the cereal first it feels incorrect it feels wrong but the thing is pour the liquid into a bowl before solids you know what i would have said the same thing until about a year ago i started changing the way so a lot of people actually say that not a lot of people like six wackadoos on twitter have been like hey cereal is a salad because the milk is addressing this is not the prompt i do not want to know this is going somewhere this is going somewhere how do you put your salad dressing on top of the salad then toss it yes how else are you supposed to do it i do it the complete opposite and there’s the dressing in the bottom of the bowl of course i do that way you get a much more even distribution when you toss it and also this doesn’t necessarily apply to cereal and milk this is going somewhere i like to make my vinaigrettes in the bottom of just like a big old mixing bowl and then however much regret i have i add the salad to fit the amount and then i toss it by hand massage the dressing into the lettuce a little bit my hands are washed so i make salads this is how some of the best salad makers yeah i know make salads okay yes i agree with you on that but the ratio of salad dressing to lettuce versus milk and cereal are two totally different things you can’t see this but i’m doing the conspiracy theory hand movements but it’s not about the ratio necessarily it’s about process right we’re talking liquid first no you have to consider all fronts whenever you’re doing something you can’t just isolate one variable what’s the point of isolating variables whenever you need the whole ent i’m talking i reclaimed my time you can’t you can’t consider one thing and not consider the other thing because you’re eating a whole meal cereal’s a meal cereal is a dessert like can we just get that out of the way to me not for me do you eat it for breakfast i eat will you eat old man i eat old man cereal so no it’s not a breakfast it’s not a lunch it’s not a dinner it’s a meal it does not have a time frame you should we should because i’m inserting myself into your business properly let’s just create a cereal called old man cereal you ever been to that barge called old man bar no do you know about it oh no is it on the east side no it’s west side it’s attached to hatchet hall i’ve never been to hatchet hall damage well there’s like a bar within this restaurant that’s like a separate entrance and everything and when they described building it out they were like we want it to just be a bar where you can just go sit in a dark room enjoy a nice whiskey drink and we want to feel like an old man bar not like a party bar so they just called it old man is it in between finn tapas finn asian tapas and hatchet hall no it’s like in hatchet hall but you gotta go around the back to separate damn there’s a bar in santa monica called the bukowski bar which has like three things on the menu and it’s a dark lit room and you just order your drink and you leave that’s how i enjoy drinking no not me i’m more of a social animal you you go to like one of the the giant margaritas have you ever been to bar lube [ ] is that how you say it yeah i lost a jack an expensive jacket in bar lube oh really i used to go in the back in the karaoke room was that yeah that was a good time well i miss people’s people i’m missing social media our stupid arguments torturing our own thoughts and loneliness right now what i was saying you need to create just a brand of cereal it’s called old man cereal that’s the ultimate yeah old man cereal the ultimate like unflavored but like new like just flavored enough to make you happy cause she go lean kosher golden crunch no it doesn’t make it but you need an old man cereal that makes you happy but anyways point is what i like to do in the same way that i pour my salad dressing first in the bottom of the bowl and toss the lettuce in it yeah because i love full milk coverage so i used to think that i like well you’re saying you don’t like full milk coverage no i eat my cereal really fast and i eat it like really crispy and crunchy then you’re the perfect candidate for pouring the milk first no i’m not because that’s the one because it cascades over the whole entire cereal no you pour the milk first and then you pour the cereal and cereal floats on top oh but you’re eating dense cereal aren’t you yeah see this is the issue i’m not eating beautiful fluffy gorgeous no i’m not doing that that’s a game changer in this whole discussion isn’t it yeah i’m a little bit of an i’m an outlier because that i i’m also an outlier in the sense i put a i use a pretty thin protein um but anyways uh the one huge argument that a lot of people use for pouring milk first is that the cereal floats on top so you for me but not for you because you’re eating just like the the crunchy gravel i’m eating grapefruit i love grape nuts whoever hates grape nuts just doesn’t have a distinguished palette there’s nothing i love more than those little wheat pebbles and then some of them are like crunchier than the other ones because i think they mix up their batches i don’t know i’m not sure sorry post um but like sometimes there’s like really large kernels that get really really hard and they no matter how much time you soak them in milk they just stay hard and then sometimes it turns into mush and i really enjoy that as a member of the soft teeth and community not only am i only eating fluffy cereals what’s a fluffy cereal like like kicks think about kicks right they’re like you could you could create a life jacket out of kicks they float so hard they hit the milk and they bounce i used to love kicks wow yeah so many series i love they’re good there’s a lot of pleasure in like the kids fluffy cereals yeah but the big proponents for milk first are that your your cereal can stay crispier because it floats on top but like you don’t eat fluffy enough cereal no i never have that be a factor no because what i like to do i like to let my cereal i will pour a bowl of cereal and then i’ll like make my coffee then come back to the cereal five minutes later this is how i enjoy cereal i like it to be like we talk about the the fried texture of food soaked in sauce like buffalo wing uh etc i like that texture of like crispy yielding to sog i like to get it in that in between schrodinger schrodinger in state right right no way where it’s like a little bit of christmas cold it’s too cold to be and that texture’s not as enjoyable when it’s cold will you have sensitive teeth yes yes i do more variables i have sensodyne and this is not sponsored by sensitivity what i love but it ascension works um i use sensodyne once a day and then i use a regular minty fresh toothpaste once another everyone asks for people’s skincare routines so few people are like bro give me your tooth care routine okay it’s really simple uh do you do have you heard of oil pulling yes i’ve never done oil okay so it sounds like i’d throw up so i did oil pulling for like a week and my dentist friends were like you need to stop doing that and i’m like why they’re like that is horrible for your oral health that is disgusting don’t do that anymore and i said okay so now i just use act what’s the argument for oil pulling the phrase draws out impurities i don’t know like releases toxins but those aren’t real well you’re just spooning coconut oil in your mouth and you’re for like 12 minutes in the morning anytime anyone brings up the word toxin they’re like oh you gotta do a juice cleanse it’s gonna get all the toxins out you just go name a toxin uh uh dioxy ribonucleic acid that’s what dna stands for it draws out your dna uh right what word did i say roxy nioh deoxyribonucleic acid no no one can name a toxin because they don’t exist it’s just snake oil salesman uh i don’t know any toxins by name in the funny the new snake oil which i think is hilarious and again there might be science behind it that that is not super super available but is anything using the term gut health oh yeah probiotics there there are 35 bajillion probiotics per square milliliter whoa that’s a lot of probiotics probiotic cereal oh i’m sure it exists we should make it we should make it we’re this is the whole podcast lactobacillus we remember the first time we talked about a cereal soup and we wanted to make chicken cereal yeah remember i made it we made chicken cereal one time it was good the point is i like my cereal completely doused in milk and so what i used to do is i would pour the cereal first and then i would like do you drink regular milk yeah do you like do you do you have cereal with almond milk i do i i like it i don’t find because i’m already like mixing protein powder and gross things sometimes i’ll do protein powder and water and put it on my cereal i’m not picky if i had a a choice it would be ice cold two percent milk i think a little bit thinner soaks into the cereal a little bit better than full fat milk but i only keep full fat milk in my house because i use it for cooking so often and if you do a recipe i try to make mac and cheese with skim milk oh my god when i was just like i don’t want to go to the store and i was at julia’s house and like there was skim milk there i think it was lactate too and it was just like disgusting the cheese sauce broke um there wasn’t enough fat to bind it was absolutely terrible um but anyways i i would pour the cereal first uh special k red berries are my go-to because it’s like in between sugar kid cereal and adult cereal yeah and then i would like spray the milk over the top trying to get what is the top layer wet i would i’d like to like shake the milk bottle because the top of a milk bottle is large and round yeah you would put my thumb over it no i wouldn’t like do the rachel ray olive oil thing but i would just try and make sure that the entire top layer got wetted by the milk i’m trying to visualize this right now it’s kind of like a thing like a swirl like when you um clean a toilet bowl yeah just like that i don’t you’re supposed to clean a toilet bowl why don’t you clean the place that you poop you’re just gonna poop in it again you have to clean your toilet bowl yeah you sound like julia now it’s so important to clean your toilet bowl actually anytime julia comes over i like five minutes before she’s there i immediately run into the bathroom and i’m like clean the toilet bowl yeah yeah get the gross like toothpaste scum out of the sink you leave toothpaste in the sink not like a lot but i mean like you know when you spit it out you don’t rinse it out with water we’re never going to live together you don’t know what circumstances are going to happen there’s a high possibility i could live with you why not mythical kitchen gets cancelled in like a botulism scandal in two years hey buddy knock knock gonna come in like you can’t make fermented cereal you got room on your futon i need a place to go i got beanbag i got beanbag not a futon it’s not one of the nice ones either hey hot doggers we wanted to tell you about our exciting upcoming event mythical heck yeah we do mythical is our first ever immersive weekend experience with the mythical kitchen rhett and link and a big old bunch of the mythical crew there’s a carnival a dance party live podcast it’s gonna be huge it’s on october 28th to the 30th in austin texas for one weekend only so you don’t want to miss it check out mythicontickets.com for ticket availability event details and any updates tickets are on sale now including packages chalk full of super exclusive merch and a very special sunday brunch with your favorite mythical crew members and we all know your favorite mythical crew member is nicole over to mythicontickets.com right now to check out availability what cereal would you be if you could be any cereal would i be yeah what cereal would you not what cereal would i eat no no what would i be yeah what cereal are you like the essence um probably uh lucky charms like you know really yeah yeah i mean they’re culver i like that they imply a certain you’re not benefit to your life i’m incredibly cold i’m so cold look at me i’m so wild and wacky you’re wearing beige yeah well i i exclusively wear shorts and black t-shirts and like you know i’m not gonna apologize for that no i think lucky charms i like that they imply a benefit to your life you know no no it’s like it’s like this is a charm it is lucky your life will be improved by the cereal whereas you know stuff like blueberry is just like i’m gonna frighten you so i prefer you know something that benefits other people’s lives because that’s me i’m a giver yeah okay yeah yeah yeah what cereal would you be completely insane question it’s not it’s not an insane question barbara walters asked audrey hepburn if you could be a tree what kind of tree would you be yeah it’s absurd but what did she answer i feel like she’d say like i’d like to be a douglas star um probably douglas for probably some sort of or like an oak um i would be oreo cereal oreos void you get canceled and then you come back two years later no one really wanted you a void of all nutritional value no substance no substance i just taste good and then people get nostalgic about me because they miss me but they don’t realize what they got till it’s gone you’re the toxic friend you’re the toxic friend in the group that like people don’t appreciate because she doesn’t bring anything of value they’re like nicole doesn’t make me a better person no it’s so true but then you leave the friend group and everyone’s like oh i miss her because you’re like the instigator yeah my group chat is drew bone dry your friends are sending fantasy football memes that’s like our men be sharing fantasy football memes instead of going to therapy what’s up so how did you feel putting milk first i will say i i mentioned this 20 minutes ago i meant to talk about it but then we started talking about some other things uh i i i felt the same way that i did when i started making my dressings first okay in the salad which to me it felt more adult it felt more professional i don’t know if that is just a rejection of the things that i grew up on you know like you grow up certain ideas and then you like kind of like you’re like i want to branch out on my own you create different ideas you go sure yeah that’s how i felt pouring the milk first uh i think i don’t think there are a lot of valid arguments to why you should pour the cereal or milk first i think this is a lot of these arguments come from a very emotional place one of the things that people say and this i i can’t agree on if you’re someone who cares about the amount of food you eat which i am not i’m pretty indiscriminate you know i just kind of uh eat things till i don’t want to eat them anymore yeah but you like the cereal is the main dish if that makes sense right and the milk is essentially the condiment you say you’re like eating a bowl of cereal like the nutrition despite cereal not having much the nutrition’s supposed to come from that and then the milk is like eating and abetting yeah so why would you make it completes the the dish you are consuming correct but in theory like you should be measuring i know people don’t measure the amount of cereal but you should at least be like guesstimating the amount of cereal that you want yeah as opposed to guesstimating the amount of milk that you want yes so the milk should be dependent on the cereal i do understand that however i like to think of it like how you make pasta in a way okay because like again this is like growing up right this is like uh me realizing that i should be making the vinaigrette or salad dressing first and then tossing the the vegetables the lettuce and that when i realized that you need to like sauce pasta in the pan okay yeah right like you’re you should in theory have the same amount of noodles and sauce that you want right but since you’re finishing no i’m saying like when you make pasta at home right you’re finishing the the pasta in the sauce yeah like then they had the water yeah and then yeah the pasta water etc but like you’re making the amount of sauce first essentially right the amount of sauce determines how much the pasta how much pasta you use no i gauge my no no no i always gauge my pasta first and then i make my sauce based off of how much pasta i’m gonna eat interesting i always just make a giant batch of sauce uh-huh not necessarily a giant batch of sauce i will make whatever sauce that i’m making and i will have that in the saucepan and then i will add enough pasta to that interesting totally opposite and so i generally end up with like leftover pasta that’s like cooked and that i just kind of put in the fridge and then i eat it’s like a rainy day just like need some food in my body put some pasta in yeah you’re making the sauce to fit the pasta yes always i always make my i always measure out my pasta with my hand see how much i don’t even know what the measurement is i just say that’s good give me a fist to scary yeah i’m like whatever this fist of sketti is enough and then i make my sauce based on that i always make fresh fresh sauces so i never used jar sauces yeah no i mean i mean there’s a couple jar sauces that i do love i heard rayo’s is good yeah rios is like 12 dollars who’s got rayo’s not eyes no i don’t have not i no i’m buying like it’s just called it just says classico on it you know and it’s like a dollar seventy nine and you can see no it’s not prego it’s like a it’s like it’s on the shelf shelf below prego but about kroger but above kroger yeah yeah i love kroger sauces turquoise is great they like come in their alfredo sauce comes in handy many many times in this kitchen because you just need like white creamy to a dish yeah just toss in some alfredo sauce it works in it it literally saves my my behind on like 85 of mythical food stuff but josh i’m upset because because you say that you put milk first and then cereal and you feel more like an adult but isn’t cereal supposed to take you back to a time when you were just learning your fine motor skills and knowing that hey you can use a spoon to put food up to your mouth and it gets a little messy and it gets a little wet but it’s like don’t you want to feel kind of youthful and young when you’re eating cereal nicole i’m glad you asked that because i contain multitudes and i think food no this is this is real this is gonna sound stupid and convoluted but food is meant to invoke several different things right food can invoke nostalgia enjoy food can evoke sophistication and elevation yeah and i think it just depends on what you want i mean you’re eating old man cereal right so you’re kind of like rejecting the nostalgia no because i was raised on old man’s cereal the most the only sugary cereals you would have in my house was maybe once in a while my mom would feel bad for me she’ll be here eat some oreos and then or honey nut cheerios i never grew up with sugary cereals at home in my hand so for your nostalgia is old man yes old man nostalgia yes benjamin button factor yeah also i don’t have i don’t eat my cereal out of a bowl i eat it what are you never eating cereal on a plate no you’re weirdo you serial killer you’re a psychopath no no you’re delusional [Laughter] why pray tell why do you eat your cereal out of a blue solo cup i know those because we used to exclusively buy the blue ones at ucla because we hated usc so much so we wouldn’t even buy the red ones um first of all easy cleanup second of all though oh how hard is it to rinse out a cereal bowl you don’t even need soap you know what you know what i’ll tell you why because i used to eat cereal exclusively out of those little sippy bowls remember the sippy bowls yeah bowls with the straw so you could slip up all the extra milk that your mom would pour for you even though you said stop yeah so it kind of reminds me of that because it’s a really bright blue color and then i eat it with a spoon i had that same blue sippy bowl though yeah i i did too and that’s the 99 store yeah yes of course but it was a pack of three because it also had yellow and orange and then so it had like a it has a white mouth so it’s almost like a bowl but it’s deep and then the grape notes get stuck on and it’s really enjoyable for me what we’re learning from this is that the world is cereal eating is so varied and wide and vast and people eat cereal for different reasons using different techniques out of a plastic solo cup despite being like an adult and culinary professional which i guess like the fact that chefs are just like you know they’ll be drinking like uh krog champagne out of you know a deli cup and stuff yeah it’s actually very fitting for chef i will say i did not like those sippy bowls because to me okay so there is a reason uh liquids taste more when you don’t drink them from a straw yeah like beer tastes more out of a can than a bottle because you’re getting air flow to juxtapose that’s true i read like one article that said this i don’t know if it can be like absolutely verified but it’s something that i believe right because you’re getting like think about when you tilt a glass up to your nose or whatever you’re like you drink it through your nose think about when you tilt a cup up to your mouth you’re like smelling the soda the coffee the juice whatever you’re drinking and that adds to the amount of taste so for me i don’t like to you know slurp my cereal milk through a straw because i want to get all those aromas and i want to go crack and get all that airflow in like i’m slurping down a bowl of ramen i don’t know it’s again it’s that nostalgia factor for me like also do you know that christina tosi made a whole entire line based off of cereal milk yeah that she she like claimed to have invented like the dude who delivered me ice cream on his bike in westwood eight years ago didn’t invent it shout out to chul who used to bring me ice cream dude that guy was a mad man he would just drive you just like bicycle around with like a cooler full of dry ice and ice cream plants and deliver it to people from instagram orders wow anyways he was doing cereal before christina toasty but i just want to say that okay well i wish i met him but she made a whole brand based off of cereal milk so cereal milk is like a big thing so i feel like the only people that would enjoy cereal milk are people that pour their milk first because it soaks faster does that make sense if you pour your milk first you’re saying this the cereal soaks faster yeah because you are in whenever you’re pouring your cereal you’re making a mountain yeah and you pour it over the mountain but i’m such a child i’m so juvenile in the way i speak sometimes am i 27 years old no you’re not so it’s like a cereal mountain and then you pour the milk over the cereal mountain and then it pulls at the bottom but on the inside until you like take your spoon and you break up the mountain it doesn’t get wet no but either way you’re not getting wet until you break it with a spoon until you go in with a spoon again as someone who’s done this no because because you don’t think about the fluty cereal exactly you don’t have the flatness of the bowl or solo cup you don’t have the flatness so it’s suspended in a liquid and it slowly starts to sink into there and then the other layer starts to sink in there it’s like um it’s like the water cycle josh uh you’re talking about ricky raindrop you grew up with ricky raindrop right you didn’t grow the ricky ranger you don’t know about ricky raindrop ricky raindrop was an anthropomorphic raindrop that shamed you into turning the faucet off when you brush your teeth he was a part i thought he’s a part of the whole california state school curriculum i don’t remember we had like a dude show up in a raindrop costume every year okay kids i’m rookie raindrop if you don’t turn off the fossil you brush your teeth you’re a piece of crap you want me to die no i don’t remember that at all oh man well anyways well this is all like this is all about like it’s we need to get the physicist in here yeah yeah we just need the physicist in here to tell us what the saw grade is from from my perspective and again as someone who who lived inside the mind of these serial killers pouring the milk first what i have seen is that you get less even milk distribution when you pour the cereal first because like i said i like to slosh the milk around the top yeah but that’s weird it is weird and i understand that people might not do that right they probably pick one spot to pour it in so you’re getting like partial milk coverage on the cereal and then when you pour the milk first you’re getting almost no milk coverage on the cereal because you’re creating a layer that rests on top are you going to continue doing this i was getting to that oh i am i am in fact i am now a milk first pour if not ever for well i’m not about fair i changed my mind on things like all the time um but for now i’m going to keep doing it until it no longer serves me which is i suppose what you should do with any sort of custom culinary or otherwise but the reason that i will keep doing it is because there’s a part of me might be related to adhd that needs like order and ritual yeah and so what i realized i love to do is pour the milk first then the cereal goes on top and then the top cereal is virginal untouched by the milk and then i can use my spoon to push it down like the way that i toss a salad in dressing and i can uniformly then cover the cereal and milk got it you know what i mean yes i do know and then i let it sit then i go take a meeting in my bathroom and then i and then i come out my cereal is perfectly distributed among the milk and sogged up i understand your viewpoint and i respect your viewpoint but i will never do that myself that’s fine do you think i’m a bad person for doing it of course not why would i think do you think i’m a bad person for other reasons i think this is a uh this is a psychopathic tendency you have and i’m sorry but i think it is it makes me uncomfortable i watched a really cool episode once i think it was amy schumer’s show uh at full front not full frontal what’s it called inside amy schumer where she like interviewed a psychopath like someone who actually or no uh um sociopath sociopath she interviewed a sociopath and the guy was like hey look like despite not really being able to understand human feelings we don’t all just kill people some of us are just like kind of confused i still understand how to be a good person i know that i’d like to throw myself in that bracket okay benevolent psychopath i mean i don’t think you’re a psychopath i think we all have psychopathic tendencies or maybe it’s what’s the other word sociopath sociopaths i think there are tendencies that we all have like little like nuances of this is just yours yeah mine is looking up other serial killers for fun who’s your favorite mother was the wrong word favorite favorite serial killer it’s richard ramirez the night stalker he was hot i also like the guy i don’t remember his first i think it’s albert fish albert fish early early 1900’s did some weird stuff yeah yeah i’m a big fan of ed kemper oh it could be yeah if i was starting a starting five basketball team of serial killers the dude was like six eight i put ed kemper in the post um anyways enough about serial killers what we’ve learned today uh i mean honestly though cereal is something that is so connected to nostalgia and so many people have so much ritual built around we talk about that with things like pizza right it’s an identity food yeah like how you do this thing and especially finding out that other people don’t do a thing like you do it you know it’s like a really interesting thing to find and then people naturally go way too far and over the board and uh uh and performative in their hatred of the other on this performative hatred performative hatred that’s what it is that’s what this is it’s all performative hatred which again i understand why it’s like fun right that’s the whole point of this podcast kind of poking fun at the idea of performative hatred while simultaneously kind of doing it ourselves i can’t regret that not at all at all but no as someone who was a lifelong serial first pourer and switch to milk first i will tell you two camps you have more like than you think [Music] all right nicole i’ve heard what you and i have to say now it’s time to find out what other wacky ideas are rattling out there in the introvert interverse spider-man into the introverse oh whatever we’re running with that take it’s time for a segment we call opinions are like casseroles [Music] everybody’s got one and they smell like onions everybody and you’re pitching and you should be here and you’re here everybody’s got one okay first up we got vigil michael trail mix is a salad yeah no trail mixes trail mix yep trail mix is a yeah you ever had nuts you ever had waldorf salad yeah trail mix can be a salad ingredient which is technically in waldorf which is what like apples grapes mayonnaise and trail mix kind of walnuts and grapes well the ones are the trail mix yeah yeah this is trail mix is a dried salad i’m fine with that yeah honestly fancy trail mix like that’s one of those things that i’ve appreciated as i’ve gotten older yeah like fancy granola fancy trail mix um i’m into it but it’s still got to have generic m m’s in it ones without the m on it and they taste just a little bit worse melt in your hand and in your mouth nate henry12345 says i crush up my instant ramen noodles and make a ramen mush with salty chicken flavor okay yeah i love this i love it’s porridge it’s porridge you’re making uh uh guk in korean yeah this is just a noodle porch dude and i’m all for that one thing that i do think is strange is like the idea of chicken noodle soup in america because the noodles are just so over like it’s not like any like asian noodle soup right mm-hmm or even because like in you know ramen and pho whatever the noodles are like cooked fresh and they are served completely separately right like say you’re ordering takeout which i’ve done a whole lot with noodle soups during the quarantine right the noodles get added to the broth like at the last minute and that’s the point because the noodles need to have a certain texture sure whereas like american chicken noodle soup it’s just like i throw the noodles in there and boil it for nine hours till it’s a mush i think that’s interesting i’ve also gotten a lot of matzo ball soup and i do not like noodles in my mozzarella i don’t like noodles in my muscles i don’t like when they’re competing they’re called like in economics substitute goods right yeah they’re substitute goods like the other day i was just making a complete like mishmash of leftovers in my fridge and i ended up with beans and potatoes in the same dish and i got really mad about it because every time i thought i was getting a bite of potato i’d be like mmm potato and then i’d be like ah bean every time i thought i was getting a bite of bean i’d be like ooh bean and like ah potato oh interesting they kind of distract from each other you know what you should do cut your potatoes in a different shape than the bean oh oh oh nice little fun potato there you go cause yeah i would if it was like a baked potato like topped with beans that’s different i don’t like this because it tastes i can i don’t like that i just because i like long noodles all right we got at jolene joanne nicole i think you’re gonna like this one savory oatmeal is better than sweet oatmeal okay so i made a tweet recently about cream of wheat being a savory option and i do think it is i think we need to switch over from thinking things are automatically sweet or automatically savory i think that’s so whack carbohydrates are a blank slate oatmeal is one of them cream of wheat is another one amaranth is another one there’s just so many options it’s a blank slate it’s a normal flavor it’s all the same thing and i think that they should be sweet savory either either it doesn’t even matter i knew exactly what people are gonna we’re gonna reply to your tweet with when you because you said like you want like a coffee rubbed tri-tip a bowl of cream of wheat seasoned with something and i knew everyone’s gonna come in and be like why not grits yeah like bro cuz i want wheat i want we i don’t want corn and i also like sweet grits that’s like a huge debate among a lot of southern people is there some people who put butter and sugar and cinnamon sometimes yeah grits and a lot of people like it’s like the cereal debate where it’s just like you’re an absolute psychopath we’re doing that sweet grits are really lovely it’s just like a dense corn custard yeah uh and ditto with likes i mean i obviously love savory grits just doused in hot sauce maybe put some smoked gouda in there yeah top of the shrimp um some creole sauce but no i love the idea of savory oatmeal like you said carbohydrates are a blank canvas do whatever you want with them yup uh oleski01 says i like floppy bacon and can’t stand getting bacon that shatters when you bite into it i’m the same way i like my bacon nice and soft and supple and squishy girl hard sam i like i like a little bit of crisp than yields suppleness of the fat yeah just a little also i went to the rose in venice and i had a really beautiful block of bacon oh like a whole a whole piece of pork belly that had the bacon treatment yeah with some with some grainy mustard on the side and some garlic rubbed bread it was delicious yeah i love when people take like pork belly cubes like they don’t cut it into right bacon is just made from pork belly but it’s sliced lengthwise to keep that fat striation i love when people just make like thick nuggets yeah me too out of it and then just give it the bacon treatment of sugar salt curing and smoking yeah bacon’s fun it’s overrated we’ve talked about that but it’s still so fun all right add carrie kacharski a grilled cheese with ranch is the best combination no one can change my mind yes sir absolutely yeah dip all your sandwiches in ranch i don’t even need it to be a sandwich just bread and ranch anytime i go to a restaurant i’m serving bread and butter i i throw the butter on okay off the table okay i throw the butter off the table nicole and i say you see sir a bowl of your finest ranch okay this is only acceptable at cheesecake factory if you’re eating the brown bread anywhere else it is shameful and you should go to food jail immediately but at cheesecake factory you take the brown bread and you dip it in the ranch and then if you’re feeling freaky in the studio late night you ask for the santa fe dressing on the side too and you dip your brown bread in that after i don’t think there’s any problem with that i mean salad dressing is just a delicious condiment bread’s a blank slate i want to taste the salad dressing oh my god it’s so good but uh yeah i don’t agree with grilled cheese in ranch i like ketchup and grilled cheese because i don’t like it josh have you ever like spread ranch on okay no hold on hold on hold on i’m thinking about because the idea i love i love like bad red sauce italian food right you’re paying like eight bucks for spaghetti yeah um and they always give you like the garlic bread that you’re like i think you just bought the frozen stuff from out yeah that’s cool i i love just getting a side of ice cold ranch that comes straight out of you know the freezer that has like the two-year-old expired and i love getting the ice cold ranch and dipping the garlic bread in that but i’m wondering could you take that ranch spread it on bread and then broil that and what would that taste like oil yeah but i mean like you think a big proponent right now in the grilled cheese community is to mayonnaise your bread and then get that extra crispiness so you’re thinking instead of mayonnaising the outside you’d be ranching the outside yeah huh ranch it up in the words of eric andre i love eric andre i have a big crush on eric andre i would ask him to come on the show but i am afraid don’t be afraid there’s nothing to fear but eric entree itself uh chocolate ping-pong boy why haven’t you been in mythical kitchens except in the corner i’m i’m present in mythical kitchen episodes but yeah i like being in the corner because that’s my little comfort spot you’re my corner man you’re like mixed to rocky no that’s not true we are equal equal partners mick cut me mick all right at hey it’s me isaac craft singles oh my gosh they are purely plastic chemicals and disgustingness let me educate you hey it’s isaac everything is chemicals what do you mean chemicals name one of those chemicals if you want to get myopic on it you can do a soy lecithin in it but what do these things actually do right like everything i don’t think we should put all of our trust in the fda but if we look at foods that are actually dangerous for you to consume yeah it’s uh red meat right the world health organization put out a report that said that you know uh eating red meat especially processed red meat twice a week increases your probability of having cancer by like 30 times or something at least 10 times uh and then all these people want to come in and just be like this those chemicals it’s bad for you because i don’t understand science glyphosate glyphosate right roundup the the chemical that’s in roundup they’ve had to pay billions of dollars in settlements for actually giving people cancer it’s yeah it’s a monsanto problem and then you know all these things are like actually bad and actually hurting people something as simple as red meat and people come in with like craft singles or chemicals because i don’t understand that all they did was melt milk with an emulsifier with cheese and then put it in a freaking wrap of plastic educate yourself craft singles are my favorite snack yeah you should see when i’m sad or not when i’m just neutral it’s just there and i just go ham okay debbie knows my mom would have minecraft singles but debbie’s on my bike craft single so what i would do is i would go to debbie’s house and i would eat a craft single and i would feel so satisfied and to this day whenever i’m feeling weird i eat a crap single and i feel better yeah i like to place it on my tongue and then you go yeah yeah i slurp it and it kind of flaps around it’s also martha stewart’s favorite snack it is yeah it is yes gwyneth paltrow has a single cigarette martha stewart has a single craft single it’s a single single single single kelso 89 the heel of the bread is not for sandwiches it is to keep the real slices from drying out heel of the bread that sounds like a metal band like a goth metal band welcome to the stage heel of the bread uh anybody think that’s uh no i thought that was a poor reference to someone who does listen to if it was like i thought it was funny in here something like enemy of the dead or something you know a lot of these bands are really just told like sorrow for suffering you know like enemies kill the beast he’ll love the bread it’s like a rejected weird al song um i like the heel of the bread sometimes i make my peanut butter and jellies on a heel of a bread and i fold it over the heel of the bread so i i feel like the life i want to give my children right nicole i i don’t want my chill one i want them to be like you know free from any debts and strife of course but most of all i want to be like you know prosperous enough so they don’t have to eat the bread heels so we can just afford to throw away the gross part of the bread okay well flipside i want my kids to be so aware of their surroundings and where they are that they are grateful that they have heels of bread to throw away if they wanted to but they still eat it because they know that it’s good no i i want to raise the same because i don’t want just entitled uh a-whole kids who are throwing away bread heels but i want them to know that we could afford to yeah uh but no but that said uh to me the bread heels what i do i do keep them as caps to keep the real slices fresh so i respect that yeah analogy but then when i get to the end and it’s just two bread heels i use them before i work out like i like to have some sort of carbs in just any food that’s all keep like random scraps of bread heal like i’ll keep a half of bread heal in a bag so i can just like eat it to get some sort of calories it’s the utility calorie it can go either in your body or in the trash i mean food waste is bad um but you know yeah i agree with this the heel of the bread it’s useless moiety 22 eggs are absolutely disgusting uh no they’re not like eggs at the base of cinnamon it’s delicious eggs are delicious get out of here get out of here dull face but the l’s are ones great name cabbage is so underrated josh i told you i always tell you this stop ghost writing tweets i don’t care nicole i have 12 to 15 burner accounts that i will use to forward several agendas online josh you can just tell me straight up you don’t need to keep hiding behind these these silly no i don’t be hiding behind anything like whoever doll face is could be anyone but now that we’re on the subject cabbage is the most underrated vegetable i run through a head and a half cabbage week and i know what you’re saying josh you buy a half out of cabbage no i buy three cabbages every two weeks and they gotta be at least two and a half pounds the cabbages and i put that on everything like i will you can salt the cabbage right and make like a kind of like coleslaw type salad you can use it fresh in salads you can top it yeah you can put it on top of soup you can saute it you can saute it in pork fat you can make top tacos it’s the ultimate thing and it’s so shelf stable like it keeps for so much longer than lettuce you don’t have to worry about bruising cabbage is the ultimate food it’s my favorite vegetable you can like roast it whole a lot of fancy restaurants have been like roasting a quarter head of cabbage no they’re not charcoal charcoal and venice no i remember i i that’s cauliflower silly man no no they started it went from cauliflower because avec knew started doing oh we get into such like weird uh internal l.a restaurants avec knew uh my boss at la magazine shout out to leslie suiter shane avec into stopping charging 48 for their whole roasted cauliflower because they used to do chateaubriand right which is a prestige protein it’s a beef tenderloin yeah uh they would carve at the table for two and it was like you know 80 bucks or something and then they had a like carved chateaubriand style cauliflower head that was 48 well yeah no you’re paying for the experience yeah but like that’s not actually reflected in any of the cost of the dish it’s reflected in the service of the person cutting i suppose but anyway she like wrote not even like a big thing just a small thing and we got like a straight up email it was like we’re dropping it to 32. okay well and it was like good i think i don’t know um i’ve had cabbage the way that you’re saying actually now that i think about it i don’t remember where but i’m pretty sure i had like a wood roasted simon simone at the restaurant jessica largey was open for a couple months i have no idea what you’re talking about demonstrated the dish on the chef show i can’t help you no i wasn’t charcoaled a bunch of food writers they uh he has this dish we’re in you know this is the chef from elise who’s like seven michelin stars he’s a fantastic cook and the food at charcoal was really good and so was the cabbage but he took like you know a quarter head of cabbage and he like charred it in the spanish wood burning jasper oven and then you know wrapped it in the foil with like olive oil or whatever and it kind of like steamed and charred and you know everyone tasted this at the table and gave it served it like a yogurt dip they’re like oh my god the pure essence of cabbages i was like bro is cabbage this is the food of the people this is blue-collar food yeah you don’t charge 18 bucks for a quarter head of cabbage that costs 16 cents yeah yeah i agree with you cabbage is the food of the people it’s the food of the every man it’s every it’s every man of vegetables i remember i was at a friend’s house uh when i was like a kid and not knowing anything about the world uh and i always thought that cabbage was like fancier on tacos you know his dad was from mexico i probably told the story before but i want to tell it again uh and he he made uh tostadas with like you know braise like chicken tinga uh and then he he like topped it with lettuce and i was like oh hey like you don’t do cabbage he was like hell no we we’re not putting cabbage on we’re not poor well and i was like this is a socio-economic food issue that i did not know the lettuce cabbage divide and i’m seven uh but now i know nice and we’re watching the disney movie um luck of the irish those two memories are fused you were the second person to bring up look of the irish to me today it’s a good movie sans for sarvas i’m getting shorter [Applause] on that note on what other note thank you for listening to a hot dog it’s the sandwich if you 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