ramble before you get into today’s episode it’s me trevor everetts the host of the podcast trevor talks too much here to tell you about a very special episode we have uh it’s gonna be all me solo not only will i be talking too much by my darn self but i’ll be giving you all a closer look into my mind the window into the inner workings of the mythical swag lord uh so we’ll be talking a bit more about me this particular episode is all about some of the struggles i’ve had coming out of the pandemic social anxiety and how some of these new connections have me kind of looking deeper into my inner self and doing some reflection so don’t forget to be on the lookout for this episode next week by subscribing to trevor talks too much on apple spotify or wherever you get your podcast [Music] jacques cousteau once said the sea the great unifier is man’s only hope but does that mean that man’s only hope technically lies in a giant bowl of soup what the heck are we talking about today this is a hot dog as a sandwich ketchup is a smoothie yeah i put ice in my cereal so what that makes no sense hot dog is a sandwich a hot dog is a sandwich welcome to our podcast of hot dogs the sandwich the show we break down the world’s biggest food debates i’m your host josh air and i’m your host nicole handy zada and today we are joined by science communicator book writer youtube crash course co-creator vlogbrotherer and the guy that all of tick talk turns to for answers hank green hello welcome to the show hello hank thank you for coming absolutely thank you for coming thank you for coming on my podcast uh yes yeah you’re officially a co-owner of the podcast that happened it was that’s part of the terms uh so you know the reason that we wanted to have you on here is we we have had is the ocean of soup on our list for so long and i think since the beginning and there was pushback from both of us at different times any time we’d actually meant to schedule it um primarily for the reason of is too dumb not done we we treat all these questions with a certain amount of seriousness sure we always do yeah but ever since we asked the question of when you eat a hot dog does it technically become a hot dog inside your own intestines we were like maybe let’s dial it back on the bigger things but hank we saw your tick tock where someone asked you the question is the ocean a soup and you had a very what i think is a profound answer i mean most of your answers to anything at least seem very profound to me um and so we wanted to have you on to to discuss it to flesh it out i mean can you kind of paraphrase your views on it yeah i mean i think i like ultimately and that this gets to kind of the root of what you do here and i don’t want to like uh say all right we’ve done we finished uh but but that uh you know all language is created by us and every you know in some way every word means a slightly different thing to every person and who gets to decide what a word means is of course us and uh but also we get to disagree about that so in addition to us it’s me and it’s you and it’s you it’s uh and so so we uh so if you want the ocean to be a soup then it’s a soup man you did it you could just do that in your own brain you could make that decision uh but of course uh that that’s it that’s that’s my way of being like oh god please don’t don’t don’t involve me in these conversations anymore and yet i have decided that i do want to come on the podcast and talk uh in a in a deeper way about whether or not the ocean is a soup and also if if that makes me a soup like what soup is is a strange idea straight up but like if the ocean is a soup then i’m definitely a soup just in a big a big skin bag i think more of like a tartar with like the raw meat yeah if we’re going on the culinary classification we were actually very worried that you wouldn’t want to talk about this primarily because the tick tock answer it was a bit of like it was a somewhat of a punt it was a very like linguistically philosophically uh you know ethical sort of punt like look we all collectively decide as a society what words mean uh but it also isn’t that simple right like there there are a couple different um theories in linguistics on when a word sort of becomes virtualized there’s there’s like the populist idea that once something becomes popular enough and this is what you know merriam-webster is like very active on twitter sort of deciding absolute delay yeah um that you know uh what was the irregardless was a big one that people were you know sort of mad about that miriam webster officially uh real recognizes it irregardless as a proper word and then you get a bunch of old-school copy editors and english teachers being like there have to be rules in a society we need gatekeepers weirdly i was in the conversation about this this very morning where uh there was a person who i don’t know uh but their tweet went uh through a couple of cycles and arrived at my eyes and they were they had been criticized for using snuck instead of sneaked um because sneaked is the create word like you know the past tense of peak is not puck um and and this is like you can look all over the place and this doesn’t have this hasn’t happened to very many other words uh but snuck just sort of snuck in which is lovely and but but also i think for good reason because snuck is so much better than sneaked yeah yeah sounds so much better so they had been basically criticized for using snuck because that’s the more uneducated uh past tense of sneak and uh and the person was like oh gosh uh what what do i do when i’m getting emails like this uh the answer is of course ignore them uh and then declare yourself to be 100 teams nook which i am yeah i i think i’m willing to put all my support yeah well this this happened with with my grandma who um is 99 years old she she’s almost she’s very almost getting the centenarian yeah but she is also from south africa and she also you know south africa obviously um very politically divided and you know especially you know also between the dutch and the british and so she was in the era where it was like you spoke the queen’s english if you wanted to be in a certain national on society you had to speak the queens uh and so i used the term dove as the past tense of dive to dive and she was like whoa what it’s dived what are you talking and i was like granny that sounds straight up ignorant you saying dived like that i don’t know if you know i say dived you say dive yeah i dived into this i dove no i also i also dove i have dove dove british aristocratic grandmother raised you my mom sheila and my dad morris i guess i don’t know i say dived but that’s one of those things that they’re yeah it’s like um the spelling of judgment whether you add an e after the g it’s very much a it’s just you know british commonwealth american split twitch there’s no there’s no right answer one might look intuitive to you but not to another person who grew up with another set of rules now how does this apply to the ocean of soup because we’re talking about whether or not okay because the the general sort of claim that hank made of you know who decides if the ocean is soup it’s you if the ocean is soup to you it is but i think that there may be we need to reach some sort of consensus some sort of societal consensus to decide right and i’m like so so the soup i think one of the main things about it is it is nutritive and i feel like if i if i drink ocean it is definitely not nutritious it is not like i’m not going from like okay i i have a i have a physiological need that must be satisfied ocean is in a very deep way not going to do that not only is it not going to provide me calories i’m sorry i’m coming down i’m coming down hard and early calories it will make me sick like it will dehydrate me you can’t drink ocean uh because there’s so much salt in it that it’s like sucks the water out of your cells and then you need to you need to go and uh you know if you ever dove into the ocean [Laughter] and swim around for long enough you know you need to get on on shore and have a drink have a pina colada so what you’re saying is the ocean is a condensed soup the way that campbell sells condensed chicken soup hold on so the ocean is both condensed and dilute soup so one you need to you need to dilute the salt but you need to condense the nutrition well it depends on what part of the ocean there’s definitely calories in the ocean like there’s there’s fish that’s something that comes that is often in soup but there’s also like algae that maybe i don’t know if we can get any any any of the chlorophyll out of that and make that into into uh energy for ourselves but yeah i mean we certainly can yeah well i mean there’s tons of vegetables in the ocean lots of vegetables i mean people eat tons of kelp you have you have kombu i mean you have so many different seaweeds that people have been eating for generations that do provide a lot of nutrients you can’t just list one seaweed spear i mean we can we got we got spirulina what’s that logo from uh ogo from hawaii that’s my favorite seaweed that’s a good one you got sea grapes you got sea fennel literally you just put this has been so this is a big thing in the aquatic foraging movement that ended up in fine dining restaurants where they would put the word sea in front of like a normal land vegetable uh-huh and then assume that we would know what it means so there’s a do you remember sea grapes i love sea grass sea beans i’m very passionate about sea lettuce these were all things that ended up on menus and it was just like a green crunchy salty thing you guys remember menus i didn’t realize restaurants are all just doing qr codes on your phone yeah they are which is my first restaurant experience back in society was um at a bj’s brew house with my with my 99 year old grandmother fully vaccinated first time leaving you know the home in in a year and she wanted pizza so we took her to the bj’s brew house and then when she asked for the menu and they said oh hello 99 year old woman this is a qr code i was like no society has already changed so much since he went into quarantine um blown right past us all okay but if we’re talking about taking the general proportions of the ocean and then compressing that into one microcosm right you know one tiny microcosmic bowl of soup then you’d be right and that it would be both condensed too salty to eat but also nutrition nutritionally dilute yeah but if you took the right slice of ocean if you if you just simply dipped a pitcher this is the lengths that we are going to hear right if you dipped a pitcher and you got a couple little like mud crabs this is these things do not all live in the same tertiary level of the ocean you got some nice kelp you got some nice little mud crabs yeah you got a stock got a sardine yeah you got a little seahorse you know you could under seriously seahorse soup that’s one of my favorites i really wish i could go back go back to the old days when i could go to the restaurant and get seahorse soup the worst thing is that if if any show were to create it it would be gmm that would be yeah and i’m i’m so grateful every day that they have not asked me to procure us i will eat a seahorse i that’s hardline next i almost want to cut this in the podcast so rhett and like don’t eventually hear that but if you took the right proportion of ocean and you were too boiled okay i’ve googled can you eat a seahorse no and and you know how google like now is making it so you don’t have to click a link it just like appears like yes and it says that it says unfortunately seahorses are edible and i’m like who decided that it was unfortunate i mean unfortunate for the seahorse certainly i suppose yeah like uh but but fortunate for for the for the e.t the person doing the eating um but i guess i guess probably that they uh have put pressure on them through the harvest of seahorses so that makes sense maybe maybe be cautious about future sea horse consumption everywhere yeah i’m not to be clear this is a thought exercise i don’t intend to eat yeah yeah no i sure do i don’t we got i already uh made a video of eating octopus and everyone who watched my octopus teacher really did not seem to enjoy that yeah and i apologize a octopus sustainable seafood anyways point is you could in theory take that perfect slice of ocean and then boil that down uh you could even potentially desalinate it a little bit we’ve all had soup bases that are too salty right sure yeah and i always run it through my my pocket desalination plant but i like to keep it in my home yeah that’s there but i mean uh literally so the way that bouillon is created right uh chicken bouillon if you ever use that in your home it is literally stock that has been just dehydrated until it’s a powder so this would take a certain amount of culinary skill for the home chef to do but you could boil that slice of ocean down until you created a sort of bullion right that you could in theory right to space and just and then take some of that out i mean ultimately to me it only has to have a little bit of nutrition and it has to not be poisonous that’s yeah that’s a soup but if you have to take so much if you have to do so many steps to get it to that point then it wasn’t a soup to begin with you made the soup at what point did i create the soup so the thing is well cause okay it has to so now now i’m like backing up and i’m saying okay i think a soup can be so salty that it dehydrates me that’s okay like i’m sure that there are soups like that that are yeah so as very salty soup if i so the ocean is not a soup because if you just like took the ocean there’s just way too much water and not enough food but if i if i like dip a spoon and in that spoon there is a sardine yeah and then i eat that at that point i feel like it’s soup because it’s it’s nutritious it’s salty and it’s wet and that’s just a wet sardine no sardine you guys are not accounting let me tell you let me stop you guys right here you are not accounting for how horrible we treat the ocean it is full of trash where did we get no these it is you know sorry pollution denial i’m saying i’m saying the the hum the human species we pollute the ocean there’s so much oil in the ocean there’s so much trash in the ocean there’s so much sewage in the ocean if you had a bowl of ocean soup you would die no you would have to go to the doctor and you just like get a mouthful and you swallow it well cause i asked i feel like you would have to go to the doctor if you ate a bowl of soup from the ocean oh the ocean is the ocean is so big look there’s a saying in environmental uh work dilution is the solution to pollution um you can’t you can’t get rid of pollution but and look there’s always been uh stuff like there’s always like in certain parts of the ocean you can’t drink it like you can’t go down to a hydrothermal vent and like take that and that’s that’s going to be that’s going to be poison nasty that’s just hot soup but it’s pre warm but but you know all of the fishes and whales are drinking the ocean and they’re okay i mean drinking drinking they don’t have to drink really but they’re the ocean is in and around them and uh and they’re okay i’m not worried about the poison i’m worried about the salt but there are soups out there that are so salty that i would i would cut i would compare them to the saltiness of the ocean but i do i do like that’s just a wet sardine i think there’s a case to be made that that’s just a wet sardine thank you do you think you’re more likely to dip a spoon into the ocean and pull up a sardine or dip a spoon into the ocean and just hit a bp oil spill honestly which one is more like neither it’s a wet cigarette yeah that is much more likely it’s a yoohoo bottle it’s a it’s a drinking bottle growing up in the american public education system i was raised to believe that the ocean is 90 percent the six-pack rings yeah the rings that the six packs of soda come in it is 90 dolphins stuck in those yeah and now also turtles with the straws in their noses those are the only creatures in the ocean yeah as far as i’m concerned based on the youtube content that i consume but to go to the wet sardine i i think people are talking about the wrong food when it comes to the ocean because i i personally don’t believe it’s soup if you have to take so many steps to it to make it an edible soup i agree with the fact that if you get one sardine in that that is just a very weak sardine-filled broth but still it doesn’t have to be a good soup it just has to be a soup i would argue that the ocean is a giant jar of pickles because if you think about the salinity of the ocean if you put cucumbers into just straight up seawater they would lacto ferment and they would become delicious jewish half sour pickles oh my gosh the ocean is a giant thing and also if you eat certain certain seaweeds if you eat i mean certain sea creatures think about oysters right oysters have such natural salinity to them because they’re swimming in pickle brine well yeah so i think that the ocean is the ocean is certainly has pickles in it the ocean is definitely brined some things but not all of the things and so like uh now now i get to be myself and tell you that that lots of organisms in the ocean pump salt out of themselves so that they are not as salty as the solution that they are in and the whole point of pickling is that you have salt and vinegar and you like get it to seep into the pickle but that doesn’t happen to all living organisms in the ocean though some it does that’s actually because i mean i i was wondering about that because certain shellfish taste really sweet like certain certain by valves you know i mean clams are incredibly sweet whereas oysters they’re they’re natural i guess they’re what we would call their liquor in the culinary world is that just sea water i mean what are they that’s a great question i don’t know uncle hank how do oysters work boy i don’t know what a liquor is so it’s a term for when you when you crack open a fresh oyster i don’t know if you’re a fresh oyster guy but if you crack open a fresh oyster there’s just a residual like pool of liquid that is sort of surrounding the oyster flesh and that’s referred to as like the oyster liquor and it’s like very prized because it kind of has that sea water quality but i don’t know if it’s the oyster you know just it’s natural juices and secretions i think oysters open when they are doing their like stuff um and so that would that would i imagine but i don’t know if that it may be that that like there’s space inside of it that is just like the sea water gets in there or it may be that they are processing seawater and that the liquor is a some kind of excretion from from the oyster i don’t know yeah google.com is saying it’s the natural juice that you find inside of raw oysters so 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podcast but we’re we’re not ready to get into that but one thing that people do often say to us is a hot dog is not a sandwich it is a taco and it got me researching the word sandwich in taco because everyone knows the foundational myth of the sandwich right the earl of sandwich was playing a poker game this is in the mid 17th century i believe didn’t want to get his cards dirty and he was like ah bread has been around for 4 000 years meat has been around for 10 000 years never before now has a person thought to put them together except i the earl of sandwich and so thus the sandwich was created but before the term sandwich people were obviously putting meat they would have been fools like they discovered the heliocentric model but they couldn’t discover red meat bread and so once a term gets created ditto with tortillas been around for 10 000 years the term taco only dates back to the mid-1800s but certainly they were describing the earl and it was the earl of earl of taco that is that is exactly what i’m saying but uh but what i’m saying is you know uh words the concepts have existed forever but the words are very new so ditto even for soup the term soup is constantly changing the the original etymology of soup it comes from all germanic it’s specifically referred to a dish of broth poured onto bread to rehydrate i didn’t know that yeah which i think is really interesting so even the original definition of soup has changed uh which is why i argue that soup does not exist much in the way that there is no such thing as a fish because it is a sort of broad meaningless category that we have only used to like ascribe to things that kind of live in the ocean uh and don’t give like live birth uh that is to me what soup is it just doesn’t exist it’s just wet food but then some wet foods are called sauces some wet foods are called stews and there’s no defining characteristic so part of me doesn’t even want to entertain the is ocean of soup then what’s the point of the podcast i don’t know anymore man i’m super good time all right first of all some some fish do give live birth which continues to confuse our whole situation including uh uh seahorses really seahorses yeah but the males give life birth which is even weirder as a feminist that’s hot that seaworth really gets my juices flowing the uh yeah but but so ultimately it comes down to the to the to the utility of a word i think that you can’t say that soup doesn’t exist because there are because i need a word for my wet foods why why do you need to because i can’t i can’t go into a restaurant and and like have the section of the menu with soups on it to say wet foods why but why why come why come hang why come you can’t say that you know just point to it you’re on the qr code all of them it’s not that i have to say it out loud it’s that it’s that the chefs of the world need a good they need a good brand for that category of food and just like salad you know like apparently a potato salad is a salad for some reason like no it’s not it’s mayonnaise and potatoes just like that’s that’s more a soup than a salad yeah depends where you get it from but no i totally agree well talking about the soup the soup breakdown on menus a thing i’m all sort of fascinated with is uh at especially a lot of chinese restaurants there’s a section of soups that will be you know if it’s an american chinese restaurant hot and sour egg drop yeah sizzling rice corn yeah and then you will go to the noodle section and a lot of those noodles are also coming in soup right right and so curry is all also often soup like you like in the curry section you’re like oh that’s i you know that’s a curry soup to me a marriage i i would agree but yeah again these are these these cultural lines where everything’s very blurry on what a soup is and if we want to create what is it like the kantian world state you know i don’t even know i read that i heard that in one you know like if we want to all come together we need to create a one defining you know sort of modality for soup and i don’t think we have the ability to do that right but i also don’t know that we i don’t also don’t need that we all we do need to come together in one world that in which all like everybody agrees that because part of the part of the joy and the beauty of being a human is this diversity where like suddenly you’re like well i don’t know is is that curry a soup uh like it’s like if it was if it was on the menu at an american like steakhouse they probably would call that a soup but like but like we are so diverse as a species that like hey like like we have such cultural diversity that it’s not gonna like that word isn’t gonna apply in the same place every place which which brings me back to fish to put this in and like uh for for people who aren’t aware of the there is no such thing as a fish uh argument um we are more closely related to some fish than other fish are to other fish so the the sort of like common ancestor of all fish also includes cats wow so so if you’re if so either i’m a fish or taxonomically some fish are not fish but we also look and we say okay fish are a certain thing they look a certain way they behave a certain way and and just because like just because taxonomically there isn’t a there isn’t a way that we can uh sort of define fish in the ways and by the way we can do this with like birds for example like birds are a thing birds are all commonly related to it’s like they they all share have a shared ancestor whereas like so it’s it’s not always this way but but we still need the word fish like we still need to we still need a name for that thing that looks like a fish even if they aren’t closely related to each other they just like converged upon the right shape to be a good water animal boy it’s like you sort of you sort of have to make concessions for the convenience and communicability of it in a sense you have to make certain like scientific concessions this this happens a lot with the concept of of red meat versus white meat right when the the pork board had the single greatest most manipulative advertising campaign of all time in the 1980s the the pork the other white meat yeah uh campaign um that you know it got people to believe that pork is quote unquote white meat they literally bred pigs to be leaner to have less red flesh interesting to look white but i mean the split between white and red meat was typically to describe you know nutritional value levels of saturated fat uh white meat is always had a connotation of being healthier and so for people to you know now think that pork is quote-unquote white meat which is i mean almost entirely limited to like poultry and yeah and birds right it was a great way to sort of trick people because it physically looked lighter and they were like well that can’t be red meat because it’s quite grayish pink it must be good for me yeah but i was like no the you’re misunderstanding the point of the taxonomy yeah just to describe levels saturated fat etcetera right so it’s a way that like the you know the literalism was taken over the side of like utility right right so you take a word that has a utility and you want to associate with that utility and that’s the like very specific goal is to associate with a particular utility even though it actually doesn’t apply to that thing and at that point it’s a trick of like of of advertising of marketing uh but this can also just happen like like that that is a thing that was kind of done done intentionally but it’s also a thing that could just happen and especially when you have a word uh uh i’ve lost my train of thought oh dang it welcome to the podcast the hot dog is a tangent so i think i think we can all i don’t mean to speak for the group but i think i think what i have noticed in summation of the argument of you know is the ocean of soup is that the ocean as it stands right now uh is is not a soup you would maybe need to transmute it using some sort of culinary skill to get it to be an appropriate soup there is the chance that you could get a bite at that point you’re making a soup and like you can’t make a soup out of the soup i guess you’re correct it’s true yeah well actually you have the right amount of water to condense cream of mushrooms i was just about to say yep yeah all right okay hank so you you you are i i use the term the patron saint of sagacity on tick tock and people have been coming to you for answers for so long uh we have discussed many other questions on the show i i want to do a quick lightning round just to get your initial thoughts on some things we’ve discussed in the past do you feel prepared for that i do all right cool so uh i mentioned many of them are soup related one is cereal soup no okay are pop-tarts ravioli definitely not correct on that uh if you eat a hot dog as it travels through you and your intestines does a part of you actually become a hot dog think about it like i’m the bun yeah we also call bundles hot dogs hot dogs yes that’s correct you just eat a hot dog so low i ate hot dogs out the pack well then am i not why am i not just a hot dog all the time then like what well i mean i think it’s a tell me so actually there are legal requirements for uh so a hot dog has to be at least 50 plus meat and no more than 30 fat to satisfy the fda requirements for a hot dog so it depends on the contents traveling through your intestines at the time so if you’ve eaten a balanced breakfast of oats etc uh that’s filler and hank you’re trying to cheapen your intestines uh to sell to consumers i’m definitely not a hot dog i’m not a hot dog i’m not a hot dog i’m a hot dog a part of me is a hot dog okay i mean a lot of this that’s fine it comes down how you view yourself you know i do like when things are actually legally defined my favorite uh one mendeleev the man who made the periodic table you may remember him from chemistry class also worked for the russian government and he legally defined what vodka is so vodka is always the exact same thing now there are people who will tell you that they can taste the difference between different vodkas but legally they are the same they are 60 water 40 ethanol that’s what vodka is intro but also vodka is like the uh i i didn’t know that about mandalay that’s really fascinating but vodka is um everyone thinks it’s made from potatoes but a vast majority of the world’s vodkas it’s made from just grains yeah so there’s like very few legal protections just outside of mendeleev well it’s yeah i mean it’s just that he defined it that way and so it just sort of like stuck and so the like you can make ethanol out of a number of different you can make it from potatoes you can make it from grains um interesting but uh it’s it’s sort of wherever the ethanol comes from now there will be very very small impurities that are probably different from in potato vodka versus grain vodka but i i cannot imagine a person who could taste them but maybe that person exists i have lied to a russian waiter at a fancy restaurant and said that i could taste the difference between their vodka flight but i was just having a really great time i was i was cool that sounds good okay i have one more i have a few more questions for you if you stack one lasagna on top of another lasagna does it become one lasagna yes that’s a good one are cheetos chips no is tomato really a fruit yes tomatoes absolutely a fruit i don’t like that both both i think both botanically which is definitely but also in terms of how i consume them they are fruits in terms of how you consume yeah i feel like putting fruit sandwiches what well i was just saying i could put a pineapple on a sandwich that’s delicious i just realized after i said that i ate a banana sandwich this morning so i’m like okay dummy let’s let’s back that one up all right is kitkat technically lasagna uh no is cheesecake a pie yes are muffins unfrosted cupcakes yes i love it i love that you you look like a kid in the spelling bee who was like reciting you know trying to like mouth out the words he’s not allowed to write him p-r-e-s-t all right uh hank i i feel not only great about the is the ocean of soup but also about a lot of our previous discussions not that we needed your validation well the only one the only one i feel uh that i’m sort of moving back on is cereal being a soup and i’m sort of now i’m sort of more on the table of potentially cereal being a soup this is where we ended up too that was a long and emotional one for us we both cried after yeah when it comes to your journey hyundai is thinking of every mile that’s where the new 2023 hyundai palisade comes in the palisade offers all the technology safety features and comfort a family needs for the journey ahead and boy does it really have so many tech safety and comfort features stay connected with the palisades wi-fi hotspot capabilities so you can keep the kids entertained on a long car ride or help a friend work on the go if you want to start that weekend trip early and if you’ve ever been clipped or had a mishap or you opened the door into a vehicle behind you the class exclusive safe exit assist the hyundai palisade has is a lifesaver it prevents the rear doors from opening if the vehicle detects traffic approaching from behind the palisade also has available third row heated power folding seats which is perfect for people who run cold and it can fit up to eight passengers comfortably taking this car with this much capacity would be a huge asset on that next group cabin you can say that again nicole it’s your journey learn more at hyundai usa.com safe exit assist is not a substitute for driver passenger attentiveness always be aware of your surroundings and attentive of approaching vehicles [Music] all right nicole and hank we’ve heard what you and i have to say now it’s time to find out what other wacky ideas are rattling out there in the twitterverse it’s time for a segment we call opinions are like casseroles [Music] we gotta standardize if it’s a song if it’s just a sing song we get we’re going sing songs sing songs sing song okay all right first up nicole you’re on rocket sure card underscore tag says cream cheese is great on pizza with ground beef the cream cheese will melt but retain its form little pockets of melty cream cheese make for an interesting textural experience okay take it away hank uh i’m sorry i got distracted and i got confused i was like i heard the beginning and i thought that i would understand what was going on but then then i like lost my train of thought in the middle and i felt like a spell had been cast on me i i appear that’s what my voice does on people it’s not the first time it would appear they’re making dolloped pockets of cream cheese on their pizza yeah with ground beef yeah that’s what it sounds like any cheese belongs on pizza like the first time i had a barbecue pizza it was like cheddar cheese and barbecue sauce i was like this is an insane idea and i had and i was like well turns out cheese on bread uh is good so i think yeah i think you i think doll so one of my favorite uh pizza toppings in the world is goat cheese and this seems very similar to that i just think cream cheese might have an advantage to goat cheese in certain in certain forms only because goat cheese when you bake it it gets it gets chalky on the top on the top yeah it kind of it loses that moisture and there’s so much acid in goat cheese that it kind of almost curdles and gets chalky and you lose that creaminess so if you’re gonna bake it on top if hot cheese is important to you yeah cream cheese is a great way to go and you get more flavor than ricotta yeah i to me this is this is a beautiful like very american innovation on pizza yeah i put cream cheese in my italian esque recipes a lot i kind of throw a dollop of my pasta sauces yeah and it helps with the texture 100 the first time i realized that the the line between cream sauce and tomato sauce didn’t have to be a hard line was like i’m free yeah this happened this happened to me in italy i was in italy and i got a i got like this amazing lasagna that was uh you know creamy tomatoey sauce and i was just like what are we doing in america and this was the 90s so um we have we have learned since then the less liberty 90s all right at jbush53 my grandmother in southern alabama would serve us a dish called pear salad it was a canned pear half with a dollop of mayo sprinkled with cheddar cheese on a leaf of iceberg lettuce because it’s still a salad hey you were talking about the salad term earlier hilarious ah i don’t oh so first of all i don’t think that’s a solid second it sounds look i don’t know it sounds like a food that you eat when necessary yeah it sounds like you know there are rations we don’t know exactly what foods are going to arrive at the house and so we will put canned pear on iceberg lettuce yeah it’s like the food that launched a holiday for like you know a major religion it’s like look and look times were hard this is all we had this is what we made now we make it every year just don’t get it i just don’t get it guys i don’t understand this i i think so part of this i mean my my dad sort of grew up in that like baby boomer post-war like a space race era where they were so fascinated by modern food production technology and so there was this huge fascination with commercial canned items there’s a huge fascination with uh preserved mayonnaise that was shelf stable and so that’s how all this stuff ended up in these recipes where you’re like the canned pear half covered in mayonnaise that i bought at the grocery store and now i’m starting to enter the workforce there’s a sort of fascination with all these foods um i’ll also ditto with tropical fruits because of american neocolonialism and hawaii and guam and puerto rico so that’s why we see all these weird quote-unquote banana and pineapple recipes and so this i don’t know if it would taste good but it’s kind of a cool slice of history for sure canned pears i feel like do have an advantage which is that they last for more than in 12 hours yes between being not ripe and being too ripe i’ve given up on paris i’ve given up on fresh pears i love fresh pears they’re so good they’re worth it if you can make it happen you just have to pay a lot of attention you burn too many how do you how do you ripen a pear appropriately i don’t i just buy them and then i touch it and i go okay i can eat it now it’s very simple for me you push it if you push at the top next to the stem so you don’t bruise it and then you’re like quite hard i just kind of cradle it and i slightly see how much give there is get the suppleness of it uh canned pears remind me of hospital food oh yeah definitely or yeah or like uh like cafeteria lunch yeah well they remind me of a very fancy pear preparation that i love and you hate though poached peas the the poached peas that’s very close to a canned fare but you’ll pay 18 for it at a restaurant i like i like hot fruit like a bananas foster oh my god i love hot fruit but poached pears just taste like wine wine soaked i don’t like it no i can’t i can’t i can’t luke of the tory says sous-vide heaters are great at keeping the bathtub a comfortable temperature this is some big brain stuff and are you familiar with the the sous-vide movement uh yeah you like like seal up a meat in a bag and then you heat it up and that that way the water never touches it but it still gets cooked i guess yeah so so the the i guess supposed proprietary technology of the immersion circulator is the name of the actual tool and some people are very pedantic about not calling it a sous vide cooker someone slid in my dms the other day and they were so mad that i said sous vide cooker instead of immersion circulator interesting but anyways uh all it does it’s a stick that you put into a water bath and it circulates the water at a controlled temperature and so that’s the big thing it circulates the water so it heats evenly but a lot of people have found out that if you kind of just like heat anything to a consistent temperature it’s gonna keep that food at that temperature so if you just find the right setting like between the three and the four on your stove and you basically got a souffed cooker without any of the mess so i think this person is kind of uh taking the piss a little bit and being like souffy it’s great for keeping the bathtub at a nice time could it would it that’s a lot there’s a lot of water in a bathtub would it be able to i guess it it might so like you got your heat loss because the water is you know warmer than the environment so you got your heat loss to the air and the and the tub and etc and so like once the the water is at a temperature it’s easier to keep it at the temperature so you just have to fight against the heat loss you don’t have to heat it up yeah and but it seems like that would be hard just because there there is quite a lot of heat loss and also sheer volume yeah there’s a lot there’s a lot of water to to try and keep it the right temperature but i don’t know it would definitely help we actually did something at mythical before before my time where they tried to cook something sous-vide in a kiddie pool interesting and i believe they had about eight suvi eight immersion circulators strapped around the side right yeah but still you’re fighting a big i mean we’ve we’ve tried and failed at a couple uh big construction things that is not our strong suit we tried to turn a whole uh gutted car into a pizza oven and that did not turn out well um i mean it was a very fun episode we just had made a bad pizza i still ate it oh i like this one at our la dorell our whole lives are just looking for ways to justify our consumption of dips and sauces i i mean i think sauces are deeply underrated even even at their current level of like i think they’re more highly rated than they once were i like it you you know how everybody hates arby’s my dad loves arby’s my dad’s favorite restaurant i’m familiar with the general [Applause] so there was an arby’s in my wife’s hometown that uh in connecticut and and i like if all arby’s were like this i think everything would turn around for them where there was a sauce bar so arby’s right now has more sauces than the average restaurant they have a horseradish sauce which is called horsey sauce and they have arby’s sauce which is like a weird not very good barbecue sauce um like uh and then they have ketchup and mustard and and so that’s like more than you’d usually get more than necessary really no i disagree i like all of them oh i get all of the sauces i have so much horsey sauce at my house guys i mean more than like a restaurant is required to serve they don’t have to give you rights more than is required yes but but at this one in connecticut they there was a sauce bar and it was like with pumps and you could like choose and you could mix and i’m like this is the this is the revolution we need because like look there’s only so many ways i can enjoy a roast beef sandwich but if i have a lot of different sauces to choose from i can like mix it up every time i can be a connoisseur this could be like wine tasting so anyway what was the question that was it man you i mean we we have no less than like 35 hot sauces in our maybe not not like not like scorch your butt off hot sauces but i mean like flavors yeah just different flavors and you mix those with different mayonnaises and vinaigrettes and you know people say that you know the the arts are what gives life context and makes it worth living to me like you know the the meat the grains the vegetables are what gives your body nutrition it is the sauces that make the food worth eating some people like their foods a little saucier than others though have you ever hung out with somebody that just drenches their subway and like sauce or like when they go to sushi they just dip it in like spicy mayo ponzu eel sauce and a bunch of other sausages like what are you doing it’s like when i was a kid and i got all of the sodas in one cup yeah i think there’s a fine line when people are just like there’s too much sauce and then there’s some people that’s like not enough sauce i think we all fit in that category of the perfect amount of sauce i i don’t know i can go overboard my my favorite genre is i can go hard for sure my favorite genre of food are wet sandwiches yeah salads i like well wet salads when i’m you know trying to eat healthy but what i mean like a french dip oh my god philippe i was just gonna say philippe they physically drop the sandwich in the broth and then lift it out and it sops you can’t get it they have the spicy mustard it’s a sandwich or soup at that point you could potentially put a straw in it and suck it up gabriel iglesias has that whole bit about chico’s tacos he said it was the first taco that i could drink and if you look at it it is three taquitos floating in a quart of sauce amazing it’s like that is a soup sir that is a soup which is also the ocean man this podcast makes me very hungry i i’m also getting hungry what’s your favorite what’s your favorite sauce uh spicy mayo is my favorite sauce any sort of hot sauce plus mayonnaise is my favorite sauce all-purpose sauce yeah favorite sauce i mean i i have long been a ranch dressing fan um i grew up eating it putting it on pizza on chicken i would put it on spaghetti and lasagna but that said i think i’m now a sauce free agent um where you know i think you know uh actually there’s a vietnamese condiment called uh nook trum that’s like a prepared fish sauce it’s fish sauce lime garlic chilies and sugar and to me that’s probably number one on my death shirt what about you um i’m i’m between just melted butter because there i don’t know what we did when we made butter but it’s amazing and i think but ultimately really barbecue sauce i have a theory that ketchup is technically a barbecue sauce all right on that note thank you for listening to a hot dog it’s a sandwich to enjoy more you got to start talking so don’t respond to enjoy more hank green you can tag him in tik toks and follow him on youtube by subscribing to the vlogbrothers channel she also read his new york times bestselling books an absolutely remarkable thing or the sequel a beautifully foolish endeavor hank where else can the listeners check you out i think that’s i think that’s good i have a podcast called scishow tangents which is very fun and weird where it’s a it’s a it’s a science podcast that is not dissimilar from this where we uh hit each other with science facts and then we just make jokes about it that’s my new commute home podcast yeah yeah all right if you want to hear more from us here in the mythical kitchen we got new episodes for you every wednesday if you want to be featured on opinions like casseroles you can hit us up on twitter at mythicalchef or endhandyzada with the hashtag opinioncasserole and of course if you want to share pics of your dishes hit us up on instagram at mythical kitchen see you next time hank thanks again for stopping by man this is so much fun thank you josh thank you nicole this was so cool [Music] when it comes to your journey hyundai is thinking of every mile that’s where the new 2023 hyundai palisade comes in the palisade offers all the technology safety features and comfort a family needs for the journey ahead and boy does it really have so many tech safety and comfort features stay connected with the palisades wi-fi hotspot capabilities so you can keep the kids entertained on a long car ride or help a friend work on the go if you want to start that weekend trip early and if you’ve ever been clipped or had a mishap or you opened the door into a vehicle behind you the class exclusive safe exit assist the hyundai palisade has is a lifesaver it prevents the rear doors from opening if the vehicle detects traffic approaching from behind the palisade also has available third row heated power folding seats which is perfect for people who run cold and it can fit up to eight passengers comfortably taking this car with this much capacity would be a huge asset on that next group cabin you can say that again nicole it’s your journey learn more at hyundai usa.com safe exit assist is not a substitute for driver passenger attentiveness always be aware of your surroundings and attentive of approaching vehicles of approaching vehicles of approaching vehicles if