ramble [Music] with a world full of snake oil salesmen tinder swindlers and countless anna delveys is the real scam wagyu beef this is a hot dog is a sandwich ketchup is a smoothie yeah i put ice in my cereal so what that makes no sense hot dog is a sandwich a hot dog is a sandwich welcome to our podcast the hot dog is a sandwich the show where we break down the world’s biggest food debates i’m your host nicola iady and i’m your host joshua and today we’re talking about wagyu beef and if it’s a scam it’s a scam if we’re talking about if it’s a scam it is a scam first of all that was nice i i started this is the first time you were started how does that make you feel um i think it’s a really good move yeah you like it it’s kind of like moving to a more like egalitarian yeah you know model i think it’s been a long time coming you know um my point is wagyu beef it’s everywhere yeah we can’t we can’t avoid it not only is it big at like restaurants it’s big on the old tic tac on the youtube so many people are making videos we cooked a whole wagyu cow we made can we dry age wagyu beef and marshmallow fluff oh my gosh you wag your wagon scam artist you’re talking about my boy google whoever i’m not smacking on google yeah because the national hero we all make garbage content to get by sometimes you have to and that’s totally fine um but no i think there’s a lot of misconceptions about what wagyu is and what it actually means right the etymology of wagyu um hua means it’s like a prefix that literally means japanese and gui means cow meat oh it means cow yeah so meat i don’t know what cocoa means but yeah giu means cow right uh giudan beef bowl et cetera et cetera and so wagyu is a type of japanese cattle um there’s actually four different breeds that go underneath the umbrella of wagyu they are all native to japan comes from wild cows that you can trace the genealogy back thousands upon thousands of years they were cross-bred with other ones how wild is that that we as humans decided to trace the genealogy of a cow and kept that record for us to remember to eat it well hilarious the weekend we can we can trace that back 35 000 years or whatever uh i don’t know where my grandparents are from you don’t remember i would rather know where my cow came from than grandpa because what if my grandpa is a bad person what if he was on the wrong side of historical conflicts i don’t know where he was during the boar wars nicole you know what you mean like boring wars no the the bower burr the the dutch in south africa are called the boars oh i did not know that like have you ever had borders yeah i don’t know how to pronounce it yeah it’s a it’s like a sausage [Laughter] people think it means kobe beef right like a lot of people yes that is a very common misconception the two are very very different right yes kobe beef is something that is legally protected it’s like champagne is to sparkling wine um but even then there’s misconceptions about kobe beef i keep talking about misconceptions why don’t we talk about some damn conceptions here right okay so the real expensive stuff is a5 wagyu right olive said olive fed is the most rare yes of all of these right but i think even that is a separate branding thing oh that is similar to like kobe beef was like the big branded one right kobe beef has to be branded with a chrysanthemum flower on it yeah and raised in the hilgo prefecture i believe um and but now it’s been dethroned by the olive fed a5 wagyu yeah it goes like 200 a pound it’s insane it’s insane have you had olive fed wagyu i have had all of them and do you love it i yeah it’s cool man i don’t know no josh food person to food person uh yes it is a spectacular experience um among there with any other like luxury cool experience right sure you have a very expensive caviar it tastes very special because it’s a luxury item yeah fresh shaved truffles it tastes very special because it’s a luxury item um it’s very very delicious i don’t love it almost doesn’t have a beefy quality to it in a sense because it’s so fatty yeah right it’s like eating fat if you’ve ever had the fattiest of like say bluefin tuna belly what’s it called yeah uh sometimes it’s just like damn i want to taste the tuna this is just like fat melting in my mouth so it’s very cool and it’s a very prized item that i’m very grateful to have eaten but that’s not even the stuff that i’m calling a scam here because what are you calling a scam i’m calling a scam the biggest scam is when you go to a dang food truck and for 12 they’re saying wagyu beef burger you go to like an umami burger and they say we got wagyu beef chili and the term wagyu has been so so so deluded that at this point it’s damn near meaningless and that’s actually backed up by the science and genealogy because nicole i don’t know if you know this i’m kind of an amateur cow genealogist are you yeah dude i go hang out with the cows all the time i learn something new about you almost every day i swab their cheeks you swallow the cheeks of the cows yeah then i go put in a mailbox and say government find out where this cow’s from nobody gets back to me that’s so funny okay well so you think it’s just a lot you think you think the big corporations are using the word wag you to push product yes and i think there’s i don’t think they’re like completely mislabeling it i think people are misunderstanding what the label means okay so japan stopped allowing exports of the wagyu cattle breeds of the four main wagyu cattle breeds which are like black black red short hair short horn a short horn and pole something though and something yeah there’s there’s four main breeds um and they have stopped the exporting of those to america just to protect the japanese industry right and make it so you have to yeah rightfully so yeah you know uh isolationist japanese politics led to some bad things in the past you know um i totally get that that said there was a herd of i believe about third not a single herd there was about 30 000 head of wagyu cattle in america when they stopped importing them wow and so what we did is we done took them and we said hey we’re gonna cross breed them with the angus cattle to create american wagyu which you enjoy question mark which i don’t know what that’s the thing it’s a scam i enjoy it but it’s a scam i enjoy it but it’s a scam i’m trying to get you to admit that you enjoy it so then you can prove that it’s on a scale i do you see that do you see how i’m trying like you like it right you enjoy it right it’s luxurious right it’s cool it’s unique to the experience me enjoying it means it’s not a scam though why is that right that’s like seeing does therapy work do you enjoy it do you feel better i’ve done it because it scares me and i don’t want to go into the deep recesses in my brain and figure out what’s wrong with me what’s a great example it’s like is acupuncturist scam do you feel better afterwards maybe so it’s not a scam for you after you eat a piece of wagyu don’t you feel a little bit i don’t know a little lighter on my feet yeah my cheese been balanced a little bit from the pressure not the chi being balanced but like you know it’s like it’s like is it a scam i really enjoyed this experience it’s something i’m probably not going to do as often in in my life so maybe it’s not a scam maybe it’s just a mindset for you hmm you’re just a pessimistic you’re a pessimist man stop being so pessimistic no but then it’s the opportunity cost of that scam right so say you take acupuncture as an example if somebody is um foregoing what could be a let’s say more conventional medicinal treatment that has you know proven data to show hey this works two get acupuncture um and they’re not getting the actual palliative treatment that they could you know possibly i don’t know anything about acupuncture maybe what i’m saying is offensive who freaking knows man i have people i have friends who’ve used acupuncture they really enjoy it but if somebody’s like hey here’s an antibiotic that would really help you uh and they’re like well i’m probably gonna go acupuncture instead because it makes me feel a little bit better it’s like well the opportunity cost there you know that’s significant yeah i didn’t cause if an american won’t use technical josh i got a great it’s four dollars acupuncture isn’t the right it isn’t the right um comparison how about this i like to get my eyebrows done okay i think it’s important they look fantastic thank you so much for watching so good thank you like little caterpillars like eugene levy but let me explain so threading my eyebrows it makes me feel good and i enjoy doing it and i like to think that the people around me are grateful that i don’t have a unibrow now is threading a scam maybe because like the patriarchy is like women have to be hairless or maybe i’m middle eastern and it’s just a thing you know but is it a scam if it’s doing good is it i think it’s doing bad you just said that it’s a patriarchy it’s upholding it’s negative beauty standards yeah but it don’t look good no that’s the thing you you look great frida kahlo my god oh my god she’s like dead that doesn’t work that totally you’re saying you won the war against frida kahlo because you outlived her no what i’m trying to say is like the idea of scam the notion of scam what does that mean for you josh what does scam mean for you i would say a scam is inventing a problem that does not exist that convinces people to pay money to solve it you having a unibrow nicole is never a problem that’s just how your body is maybe because you don’t care no exactly you know i and so i’m saying that the beauty industry invented that problem and said hey having hair i’m staring at the bridge your nose right now having hair going linking one brow to another is bad and makes you less worthy as a person they did that so you could pay them money to go thread you now throw that bad thing that’s a scam you gotta rail against it now throw that with meat with wagyu beef so they said that the normal american beef you’re eating this isn’t gonna take a patriotic turn i swear okay but but the scam is that hey the normal beef you were eating that wasn’t good enough you know why because you’re a fancy boy you’re a fancy little victorian boy and you deserve only the best in japan i’m fascinated with the area of both japanophobia and japanophilia i think we have japanophilia i think now certainly in like in the 80s it was really big right collective we this collectively as far as like america um our western culture is sort of like idolizing this idea of like oh in in japan you’ll even see it in like the precision walking videos people be like oh the japanese are just so well organized and they say a bunch of weird kind of it’s like that kind of this is a weird term positive racism you know it’s a model minority model minority it’s like when anybody talks about japanese cuisine they go like what i love about it is it’s so pure so refined it’s so refined it’s like they’re eating fish cakes stuffed with like every culture has dirt bags every culture wants to eat gross fried things and every culture also has their beautiful uh you know areas of refinement and whatnot um but to like isolate japanese anything uh craftsmanship um auto making food to one thing is i think messed up and i think that’s where the term wagyu comes into like this sort of scam idea where people like oh it’s japanese it it must be the best yeah and the cows in japan are raised to certain conditions so there’s a lot of you know actual um truth to that i suppose but then you’re watering down the bloodline so much and just raising them on america’s ranches to create what’s called the wengus cattle wangus wengis venus it’s a poor mantel of wagyu and angus yet wangis and then they’re just you know getting people to pay a surcharge for something they think is fancier because it’s japanese and that really doesn’t have a ton to do with the actual enjoyment or flavor or whatever if people are have nicole if people are happy and they’re american wagyu and they’re paying the money that they have you know and they’re not like taking food out their baby’s mouths to eat their wagyu cheesesteak or whatever that’s totally fine but yeah but but you can say it’s a scam if you’re fine spending money on beauty products just know that you’re getting scammed i mean but think about it josh like you watching these videos and like these instagram feeds of just like this beautiful marbling it’s stunning and then you see them cooked in me and you’re just like wow how is this like oh my god it’s just like it’s like porn it’s beautiful it’s like oh my god that doesn’t like that doesn’t like trigger your brain to like want to enjoy it i’m ant i’m anti-porn nicole i’m anti-food porn because because food porn it is defined by the erasure of process it creates it creates unrealistic expectations for society our job is to make only no no i want the option out i want our job to show the full reality of cooking now all of our 20-minute food videos on youtube they’re all brightly lit now it’s just going to be how i actually cook at home which is me just like muttering doing dishes and like spitting into the garbage disposal i don’t know why i do that you do that here and it’s gross have you ever made wagyu at home or is that something that you just enjoy out i don’t know if i’ve ever made wagyu at home i don’t know if i’ve ever made it outside of this all i mean we’ve made it for the show and to be clear what i’m talking about like a5 wagyu that stuff is like very real that’s great legit yeah you know um but it’s it’s these kind of watered down especially ground wagyu beef because the point of wagyu cattle especially a5 and the grating scale is the beautiful fat marbling it’s so gorgeous and i know and so when you drop that into a grinder you’re destroying all of that intramuscular marbling and that fat it’s just disintegrating it’s disintegrating and you just turned it and it’s pointless um the fat character of wagyu beef is a little bit different the taste is gonna be a little bit different of course it is a different cow assuming you’re getting purebred wagyu which if you are that would be a little bit of a crime to grind that i mean we’ve probably done it i’m sure i don’t think we’ve ever oh have we ever ground a5 yeah some fancy fast food where we made a burger yeah but that’s fun that’s for the lols and a lot of it tastes good yeah but at the same time we also very rarely cook something on fancy fast food and then we’re like was that worth four hundred dollars absolutely most of the time we’re like no that was a little bit of fudgery that was a little bit of tom fudgery right there i want to go back to what you were saying about umami burger and how they make a wagyu chili i don’t know if it’s actually them somebody made a wagyu someone made it and it was like a chain might have been barrel and ashes the old barbecue restaurant up in studio city okay now my question is do you think they’re using like five percent wagyu 10 wagyu zero percent wagyu what do you think goes on in the kitchen if i had a guess yes i would say they are getting the bare minimum of what could reasonably be considered wagyu cattle from a farm that tried their best to make sure that one cow nicole in this lineage of cows love makery over the last generations that one of them was wagyu beef i think i think that that’s what it is and i think that’s what a lot of it is i think it’s probably a cow that was crossbred with angus or longhorn or what have you and it was just all wangasee i believe the steak was probably eight percent more expensive than a normal steak and yeah charge and get thirty percent more for a cup of chili they had the term wagyu on there so wild [Music] how do you feel about snake river farms i like it oh they’re so good though i know right snake river farms has such they’re hot dogs oh the wagyu beef hot dog yeah talk about that speaking of grinding meat they can grind their meat all they want as far as i’m concerned i i love snake river farms they make a lot of really fantastic uh i mean just their steaks are great and they are also like one of the first like american wagyu producers out there there’s another one called lone mountain wagyu that is 100 percent dna tested um 23 and me the capital they 23 and me the cows and they make really fantastic stuff i’ve had their what is i guess technically american wagyu because it’s raised on american soil i’ve had their like american wagyu whole cut steaks and they’re a really fantastic product yeah it’s different than a5 wagyu because you’re getting a much meatier experience from it um but it’s also significantly better than usda prime it’s just really really good stuff snake river farms i think they make really great product too their hair just report great i don’t love their hot dogs everyone’s obsessed with their hot dogs i don’t love them you don’t like the hot dogs make the case for the hot dogs oh my god they have this beautiful snap they’re juicy they’re the perfect amount of fatty i don’t know what kind of they put like some weird spice i don’t know what else some weird spice it’s just a gorgeous sausage they’re too big the hot dog the ones that are too big wieners are too big you need a wiener that big they give you the thick they don’t give you the log you want the lawn you make it you want a bigger wiener you make a longer you don’t make it like you i’m telling you the longer the weave i mean i’m so i’m sorry they say most people care about the wind i’m a length man uh no but that that speaks to the thing we’re talking about though right like do you think that that hot dog would have been any better or worse using non-wagyu oh man see and this is this is the definition of the scam here i like to think i don’t know because if i was if i was blindfolded and i ate that hot dog and there was a similar size hot dog that was not made with wagyu beef i don’t think i would know the difference i don’t think i would maybe i would but you’re fine with that just like the way you’re fine with the patriarchy dictating your your duo bro yeah i guess it’s called a duo no there’s a duolippa josh but yeah you do a leaf that sounds like you missing for something else no i mean maybe i wouldn’t you know i’ve never done a side-by-side comparison like that i’ve never i’ve never sat there and said this is a regular piece of meat and then this is a wagyu piece of meat i’ve never done that before but i would love to do that you know who did do that who kobe bryant oh yeah alright kobe bryant you guys did the most amazing amazing episode with that guy yeah we we did an episode where it was can kobe tell the difference between kobe beef uh and we actually had to we shot with him like in orange county in costa mesa and i had to prep all of the food up here in burbank drive like 60 miles down with it all in like coolers and thermoses wow and then at like a hyatt hotel conference room set up my like prep station as our old showrunner darren was like do you need do you need me to like put lettuce on tacos but we made what we made a cheese steak we made hard shell tacos with ground beef we made i wasn’t here this was long before i know i’m trying to remember what exactly we made though but we made a bunch of you know kind of standard convenience foods um yes we also weren’t using like legit kobe beef because we kind of got away with a little bit of the name trickery here we were using so you scammed we scanned the people you scammed the people well but we were using 100 dna tested wagyu from america we used lone river or sorry lone mountain wagyu from new mexico um to to do that and so man maybe we’re the real scammers yeah that said kobe bryant he’s from philly he said i made him the best cheesesteak he’d ever had not to make this day about me kobe love you love you kobe that’s amazing but he could tell the difference and i tasted him and you could tell the difference but most of the difference was kind of just it was greasier and then when you add salt to beef grease it makes it taste better yeah you really know you make a good cheesesteak man i’m like i listen i don’t know what it is man it’s just you know it’s in the philly blood you made a really good choice silly my family’s from allentown it’s not even in philly that’s not even how they talk in philly what other food scams are out there that you just completely buy into and you feel totally fine oh so many oh my god uh like the hand rules you know the hand rolls the hand roll bars yeah those are whack why i love them so much so dumb there there’s a new type of restaurant that’s sprung up around la that i love and i oh my god nicole on saturday after the ucla basketball game i went and i tried to stand in line to people love when we make very specific la references yeah i live here sorry i stood in line at kazi nori for 15 minutes it did not move and i was like i’m out of here but there’s restaurants that you go and uh they’ll just make you a nice little sushi hand roll and they’ll like hand feed it to you while the nori is still warm yeah and it’s really a delight what don’t you like about it i don’t know it’s a scam making people stand out there pretty cheap no i don’t i think it’s a scam making people see it i just don’t like the long lines i’m not a long line i pass out in long lines it’s not either i stand too much in one spot and everything goes i ordered a drink at the bar the other day same night because we we left we left the scam sushi restaurants just go to a real crappy bar um and uh i ordered a tequila soda and they were like oh what to and i just instinctively yelled whatever’s cheapest i don’t even say the well is fine i just say give me the cheapest i’m sure tequila’s a scam big time scam the bottles it’s all the bottles it’s all the bottles it’s all in the branding don julien 1942 get the heck out of here it’s actually really good you ever just sip on some sometimes like i’ll sip on cuervo baby i ain’t proud i am proud that literally just made my nose you put two drops of bleach in cuervo and it makes it taste like 42. um no way i mean there’s reason that liquor does cost more money than the other ones outside of branding and it’s ditto with wagyu beef like there are reasons that typical wagyu beef costs as much as it does the typical uh wagyu cow especially if it’s a5 will go for like thirty thousand dollars where an american longhorn will go for like three thousand dollars at the same year that is so nuts to me do you know one of my friends actually asked me if i wanted to go like on a cow did you i didn’t hebrew for 50 50. in case we have new listings sorry you say that he literally was like hey i’m gonna get a kosher wagyu animal and we’re to slaughter it and then we’re going to cook it do you want to split it and i’m like hmm not right now maybe later wait what would make it kosher exactly that’s the way you kill it i mean yeah it’s one one clean cut across the throat gotta hang it up let it bleed out and then do you have to salt the meat yeah salt the meat to dry out yeah the blend impurities yeah yeah but like why would you do that to wagyu that’s so like criminal yeah how is it kosher meat’s expensive so expensive it’s probably more expensive than american wagyu the new american wagyu is jewish meat oh my god people don’t know this i keep kosher in my house like i don’t buy any meat that is not kosher okay it is so expensive being kosher it is nuts you guys as someone who loves food i’m like i could get this steak for five dollars i’m spending 20 on it it’s insanity how often do you cook meat at home do you has it made you stop eating meat i mean a little bit i mean i eat more meat here i definitely eat more meat at work than i do at home but sometimes i make a nice steak dinner for my husband a nice stew but yeah no it’s very it is like wagyu yeah with no other payoff would you i mean would you ever spend your own money on wagyu say you went to like a nice steakhouse for would you you know i feel like it’s now more popular than ever uh at least in l.a you go to a steakhouse and they’ll have steakhouses are already so expensive yeah so you’ll see their uh six ounce filet for 56 dollars 12 ounce fully for 84 and then they have their special like american wagyu menu and then it’ll be like zabaton yeah six sounds sabaton 149 and then it’ll be like a5 market price yeah market price i’m like i’m too poor to ask yeah market price gives me like hives but do you do you ever go to that um that wagyu menu on i look at it longingly yeah but then i realized that i want to buy a house one day so maybe once in a while like maybe once a year we’ll do it yeah it’s like you know or like if we’re abroad you let’s do it but typically no i’m not going to spend my cold hard cash on meat like that i’m not unless of course it’s a special occasion yeah i um i was trying to yeah i don’t know if i was trying to impress her on a date um this is during my fun single time that we worked together um i went to parks barbecue which is a a very fancy korean barbecue restaurant delicious it’s not like ultra fancy but it’s you know that’s high end um and they had an american wagyu thing it was like screw it it wasn’t even that expensive it was like 40 bucks for whatever but that was part of the meal um could not have told you the difference between the american wagyu and they’re normal just like good prime meat you know yeah so crazy i mean i’ve been to some steakhouses and i’ve gotten some a5 wagyu yeah and it has been an incredible experience yeah it really is i mean i don’t know of course no not everyone in the world is going to be able to try wagyu and i understand that it’s definitely coming from a place of privilege and a place of luxury yes yes let’s acknowledge your privilege for eating the very fat count of course apologize to the cow for dying as well i’m sorry cow i love you his name is george was not george japanese name wasn’t george but he was taking no way his name was george man like it’s it’s it’s so cool and it’s so interesting that it’s like the commodification of of this product and the way that it’s packaged the way that it’s sold to people how they say they massage the cows who knows do they actually massage the cows uh yo i can tell you i haven’t been there for every cow that they’ve raised despite me doing some amateur genealogy work on that as a cow genealogist i’m going to give you a c um but no that is that is something that they do at least in the hilgo prefecture that was the thing with kobe beef couldn’t tell you about the olive fed kagoshima prefecture cows probably better i’ve had both and i like the kokoshima more i think it tastes cleaner like the fat isn’t as buttery okay sorry no listen i haven’t had enough to say i will say that these scams are what kind of make us human right yeah everything is a scam remember we said that with your brother here yeah about wine like wine culinary school ron graves culinary school’s a scam maggie is a scam uh but these are the things that make life worth living like when you talked about those special occasions and eating wagyu at a restaurant having some fantastic bites you know one of the best feelings is when you order something expensive and again it’s a privilege and then when you order something expensive and you take that slow bite oh yeah don’t like you put it in your mouth and kind of like yeah i was i that happened to me for a different reason i would julie and i went out for our anniversary to middle east nice just to michelin style and we they had they’re featuring wild scottish game and we got grouse breast oh grouse love grouse love grouse delicious and then uh the server comes up to us and goes make sure you chew extra slowly because this is wild game and there may be some bird shot in there and julia was like bird shot julia was like aren’t you a chef shouldn’t you be the one to make sure there’s no bird shot and i was like what’s bird shot it’s the the the bullets that they use to kill birds it like fires small it like sprays small amounts there might be bullets in my food straight up and and and that made you chew it slowly and one it made it fancier and cool because some old scottish man was just bird shot in these grouse and it made you chew extra slow and so every bite was a revelation in your mouth and also i asked the server i was like how many times has someone chipped a tooth and you all gotten a bad yelp review that you have to say this he goes oh no one’s ever found bird shot in the grouse he’s scared he scanned me by telling me there might be bullets in my bird to make it extra special in some weird roundabout way oh my god i know and so we’re just we’re all rife with scams in the fine dining world fish all fish taste the same no no no that’s not that someone who has swordfish rock fish and monkfish currently just sitting in my fridge that’s a lot of fish yeah i went a little crazy i went to whole foods really hungry and spent too much money on fish happens happening monkfish was like 10 bucks a pound though do you think one day we’ll be eating wagyu beef the way that we as i say it or deliver do you think we’re gonna cover our faces in shame because it’s just so damn expensive i already cover my face and shame when i’m eating except instead of doing a towel over my head i bury my face in the trash can and that’s my version of hiding from god i’m sorry no apologies necessary i have a rad time in conclusion yeah yeah yeah a little bit kind of kind of but but it’s a scam well spent it’s a it’s a well scammed it’s a well no it’s it’s a it’s a scam but it’s worth it it’s a mutually beneficial scam yeah like everything else in life like a fun cult we’re not talking about cults i’m not talking about cause with you talking about calling we’re not talking about cults anymore josh [Music] josh we’ve heard what you and i have to say now it’s time to find out what other wacky ideas are rattling around that are in the twitter it’s time for a segment we like to call opinions i like casseroles [Music] josh what’s up nicole did you know that you’re my best friend you’re my best friend too you in deep knight and did you know that stevie has a new podcast out the first episode’s out already it’s called best friend’s back all right it is called that nicole and she was talking to her best friend from high school nadine yeah she you know lost a little touch with after graduation we’ve all been there yeah she’s persian she’s persian yeah there’s two mythical podcasts with two different persian girls we representation matters let’s do it and you know a handful of white guys sorry um anyways i’m pretty excited to listen to it yeah the first episode’s out and i have a commute home me too glad we’re on the same page then that’s pretty rash that was great that was good okay yeah whatever we got julie bean i believe this is a jewish jelly bean ketchup belongs on beef stew there is no belong there is no belonging there’s no belong in food there’s no belong i don’t believe there’s you know there’s simple you have a preference i have a preference maybe a majority of people have a preference to me that does not make belong would i put ketchup on beef stew no no i don’t think i don’t reckon i would i don’t reckon i would um do you put ketchup on beef stew you beautiful semitic jelly bean you the semitic gelatine here’s the thing tastes like rosettes oh man of course jelly bean i don’t believe in putting thick sauces on a stew i don’t even understand the french uh rui they put the rui on bouya bays what’s so worried oh it’s like a mayonnaise thing oh i’m kind of into it that’s like people that put sour cream on chili you’re not into it yeah i don’t put sour cream in my chili you don’t put you don’t put it on top i don’t think i put any sticky or sick sauce on listen i’m there for the chili all right i don’t want to temper it with sour cream i need some damn chili i don’t know that i put any thick sauce on any soup because i don’t understand how it’s supposed to exist interesting i wouldn’t do this i just don’t like the idea of ketchup and beef stew it doesn’t turn me off i like a little bit of sweetness but it’s made a little acid i like all the maybe in the beef stew maybe not on top i agree with that yeah glad you settled that fat barnett says i use blue cheese dressing on everything that josh would use ranch for i have a sickness wow oh no that was not a good attempt at doing that that was actually really good better than i yeah i think blue cheese it’s just extra ranch it’s just more things in a ranch let me tell you there was a period of time when i put blue cheese on everything blue cheese dressing yeah i loved it i put it like with salads chicken beef doesn’t matter i would eat it and i loved it and then one day i was like like i got over it real quick like me with folger’s black silk [ __ ] oh oh oh you consumed too much of a good thing and it eventually makes you guys it’s just so intense it’s too much but you know that that like two weeks where it was on every single thing i ate it was real good listen i agree if this person can just ride that lightning their whole life i respect that i will say i believe ranch is a more elegant form of blue cheese yeah you know i think the herbs nicole i think they sort of cut through that richness what herbs they’re herbs and ranch there’s little green specks one every four bites and it’s great uh yesterday i made a salad and i just put straight right i made like a homemade russian dressing and i was like this is what we’re doing today that’s yummy i love russian dressing oh it’s great at joyous88 whatever 88 in french is um we we don’t ask we don’t uh no it’s not we don’t hot sauce makes pancakes taste even better pancakes are just savory carbs in a circle i my signature dish nicole when i was 11 years old was i would put you had a signature dish yeah dude it was gross um i called it scallop risotto in savory spiced crepes and what i would do is i would make um i would thin out bisquick pancake batter with frank’s red hot hot sauce and i would make that and then i would mix pre-cooked rice with cream cheese and a little like these are still 99 cent packs of scallops yeah you know what i’m talking about they’re like the little frozen ones yeah yeah that was the thing they they they don’t exist anymore but i never bought them but i knew they were they had a lot of 99-cent store scallops um and then i would mix that in with the rice and then put that in these crepes and so uh i see hot sauce pancakes and i cringe at my 11 year old self we should remake that dish yeah uh we should that’d be very fun i think it’d be fun to eat the og and then have you make um a more elevated adult version of that um sorry we’re no brainstorming during a podcast i’m sorry um krilly ray cyrus my friend eats cheez-its and chocolate hummus together can’t tell how i feel about it yeah we can help you we can help you figure it out um chocolate hummus i don’t hate it i understand why it exists i don’t i don’t hate it it makes sense um using the aquafaba to kind of make it a little bit fluffy go for it um the cheeses throw me off yeah cheddar cheese and chocolate to me is one of the worst food combinations um white cheddar a white aged cheddar with a dark chocolate it’s actually gorgeous oh do you do that little cheese plates with chocolate sauce i used to make jams and put them on the gems [Laughter] uh i had i went to the place in new york that makes the dessert hommos the the dessert there’s like they started it and they made the homeless shake oh do you mean the tahini shake no it’s it’s i don’t know it’s got chickpeas dude they um they i think you think the tahini shake from zahav that is what i’m thinking of but no they straight they put like chickpeas and dates and a bunch of stuff into like a big old sausage yeah really really really delight so i like the dessert hummus yeah the cheez-its man the cheez-its are the bad parts pita chips yeah at mushroom beast my favorite snack is a tomato sandwich on white bread oh that’s good wait there’s more dipped into instant coffee what now if this was like a fresh pour over with like arabica beans you know i just no um yeah hold on this is reframing cheez-its and chocolate hummus in a better light to me oh no oh no i hate this so much i just i can’t imagine the flavor of white bread it’s not toasted they’re soaking it’s it’s gonna soak so much though oh it’s soaking in it and you pick it up and it’s limp it’s limp and then it’s like dripping brown liquid and it’s like the tomatoes there why is the tomato there this is hor i cannot even this makes me gag oh i want to know how this how this happens in the first place you know this literally makes me they just need a little caffeine boost they’re eating a tomato sandwich one of their favorite snacks they dip one of the other you know um but yeah i just i can’t imagine those flavor combinations in my mouth whatsoever no thanks moey brown says oatmeal raisin cookies should be dipped in ranch dressing josh have you tried this yet no what’s going on with all these opinions some people are are you people okay i think they’re on one and they’re having a good time has there been like uh they’re they’re here for a good time not a long time listen i guess that i just i mean i’ve did cookies and live dip cookies i’ve tipped my raisins and cookies and ketchup i dipped chops did chocolate cook cookies and barbecue sauce ranch dressing i don’t think so yeah i can’t do that i can’t imagine that nope no okay wait there’s another one we just keep going down the rabbit hole rafita says gas station sushi plus peanut butter is a winning combo oh no what days were this must have all been submitted at the same time and there was some like toxic airborne event that was like touching people on the head like the way that the salem witch trials all started with the spoiled rye bread you know what i mean yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah you’re all going to yes ergot yeah yeah there must have been something where it’s like all the water supply and you know had some sort of crazy hallucinogen in it wow people are just going wow i got a good one this one this one’s redeeming here we go m walters 27 says peanut butter toast with red pepper flakes is the best upgrade or with greek yogurt sounds good that’s nice compared to compared to the last ones it’s really great yeah good stuff at cohen cook for you korean bibimbap is way better than any fried rice i’m not the biggest babybop fan i don’t really love it i won you’re pitting two rice kings against each other because like there’s you know korean fried rice is probably my favorite zhong as the late alex fried rice like kimchi fried rice to me is really fantastic is is bibimbap kimchi fried rice no it’s not but i’m saying like he seems i don’t know why you would put bibimbap against all of the world’s fried races is what i’m saying they didn’t actually get against it that said korean bibimbap is incredible especially you get it actually served in like the hot stone yeah that’s a good time that’s a good time uh different dishes but i get fried rice one of those things that it’s never really taken to me i’ve never just like loved it as much as um say any like noodle dish or probably even a steamed rice dish um so yeah i suppose i agree with this although unfair comparisons yeah i don’t think it’s here to compare them um i do like bibimbap sometimes it depends um paul along the watchtower says white chocolate should be forgotten too sweet tastes like a dentist office smells now that is so specific and i think it’s the latex they’re smelling they’re smelling the latex do you think white chocolate smells like latex sometimes yeah i do but like a pleasant latex you know what i mean i’m not gonna go there but yeah yeah i know oh josh no i know what you mean it’s like you know gasoline smells good to me oh i love the smell of you get the smell of gas you’re still expensive we can’t tell the kids to i don’t tell anybody i i was saying huff gasps mean uh and so yeah if they’re like certain foods will smell like gasoline to me and i’m like that’s a good thing like what like beefs do with prunes that smells like gasoline you can’t just burp like that i’m not saying i ate so much tuna and cheese earlier i’m flying i had tuna cheese and then punctuated with a diet red bull and the burps are a weird today um but you’re horrible white chocolate’s my favorite we got some white chocolate snickers in the kitchen i’m gonna go eat some of them bad boys after this i do love white chocolate a lot at dutch in japanda sweet baby raise is the superior louisiana hot sauce because it’s got crystal flavor with thicker consistency i know what they’re talking about the sweet baby raise the hot sauce they started making a louisiana style hot sauce i don’t like thick hot sauces yes you told me this before but i do love frank’s buffalo sauce frank’s buffalo sauce is good but it’s a as a buffalo sauce not as a hot sauce and they’re different oh really i use them interchangeably really yeah like you would just put the frank’s buffalo sauce on like bites of a burrito yeah oh my gosh delicious are you kidding me i actually i thought i did that the other day and i was like i don’t enjoy this isn’t it for everyone uh but no i don’t like hot sauces with artificial thickeners same as ice creams with artificial thickeners i don’t mind it i don’t love it i’m like so i’m sensitive nicole on a sentence you got my i have my sensitivities uh brian hum says boba tea is a soup oh okay yeah carloof says cashews with cornichons is a great combo oh my god i love corn of shawn’s courtesans are my favorite wait can we go back to boba tea as a soup yeah what about it i agree entirely of course of course you do that’s natural um but we need more soups that are meant to be eaten with a straw like that huh like like imagine like alabama or italian wedding soup no no it’s so fun to spoon boba you spoon your bulba i mean i’m not saying i do but i could are you kidding me have you ever been to boba shop recently whenever they put all those cool little things in there and you have to use the spoon you don’t have to no dude like the egg custard yeah the coffee jelly yeah grass jelly you break it down really probably break it up with this with a strong girl and i slurp it up you’re on your own and that one buddy i don’t do that stuff i’m a lady but imagine like italian wedding soup and you just drink it with a boba straw and get little meatballs flowing up the straw that sounds gross why not for me you don’t know how to live you i i live in a very normal way and i like it i think we’re done now nicole’s mad at me i made a call mad i’m not mad at you you’re the best and on that note thank you for listening to a hot dog as a sandwich if you want to hear more from us here in the mythical kitchen we got new episodes for you every wednesday if you want to be featured on opinions or like casseroles you can hit us up on twitter at mythicalchef or at hendy’s audit with the opinion casserole and for more mythical kitchen check us out on youtube where we launch new videos every week and of course if you want to share pictures of your dishes hit us up on instagram at mythical kitchen we’ll see you next time [Music] you