(upbeat music) – Welcome to Crew Biscuits. I’m Stevie. – And I’m Kevin. – And today at the round table of dim lighting, we are talking all about Kevin. Kevin-related topics only at this table. Kevin, thank you for being here. I didn’t give you much of a choice. – Yeah, thank you for having me. Kevin-related topics are my favourite topics. (Stevie laughs) – I must disclose. I just walked into the studio and said that I wet my hat. And that’s because I literally put water on my hat and you can see it and I don’t want comments about what that could be. It’s water. I don’t know what else it could be. – I said I’ve been sweating like a pig, so. – It’s hot. It’s a hot one. – It is hot. Yeah, it’s really hot outside. – We were shooting yesterday outside in downtown Pomona, the entire day and at a certain point, your brain like ceases to work. Like my emailing ’cause I sit at video village in a chair and they have a portable Wi-Fi and I just have my computer and I’m just reviewing videos and watching Buddy System at the same time and at a certain point I was just like, cannot, cannot process the notes that need to come out of my body onto this. That sounded gross. (laughs) And that is not what’s on my hat. – I usually go for walks to get a little exercise in here at work everyday. – Like around the. – Like around the like, Burbank area. Just around this area. – Oh, it’s beautiful in the Burbank area. – It’s beautiful, yeah. And yesterday I went out and it was like a hundred degrees or close to and I went around the corner here. Like a hundred feet that way to the left. – We don’t want to disclose what corner you went around. – No. – No. – But the one here closest to the door. – Yeah. – And then I went about another 200 feet and I saw Mike sitting down on a brick wall like in a tiny patch of shade. – I’m putting my phone in my back pocket, sorry. Yes. – And I said, he said, hey Kevin and I said, hey Mike and I was like, what do you do and he’s like, I try to go for a walk and this is far as I made. – I’m just sitting here in the shade. Also another fun fact before we go any further. There’s a graphic on the mic right here that looks like a little butt. Do you have one? – Oh, yes. I do have a butt graphic. – Do you know what that means? – Uhm, hey. – No. – Oh (laughs). – Good guess but it means like that is where, in order to get the best sound out of this mic, you have to talk right into the middle of it because the other butt area that’s not in the crack, slash hole, is a bad butt area to talk in. – Okay, well I will aim straight for the crack of the butt and I’ll talk into it. – Thank you. So, I said this last time on Crew Biscuits but just to reiterate, we are doing Crew Biscuits and other crew-themed podcasts while we’re in production on Buddy System. We’re also in production on various other things. There are always so many things going on. This morning, you participated and what was almost a brawl outside of my office door to get into meet with me ’cause I’m very popular. – Yes. – You won. – I did win. I had to bypass Annie though. – Yes. – See, normally what we do is we go to Annie and we say, Annie I need to talk to Stevie and then she says, she looks at the schedule and then she says, I can get you in at this time and sometimes when Annie is not looking and I see your door open, I just charge full speed into it and I did that today and it worked because Annie couldn’t stop me. She was just like, no! – But she screamed, no! – She did and then I slammed the door and she could do nothing about it. – But that’s why Crew Biscuits exists. As I said before, I have no time. We all are busy and I am the worst at having a moment to sit down to talk to you guys. And so that’s why I wanted to take this opportunity. I also realized like half an hour ago, the amount of stories that I know about you. I think the percentage of the ones that are appropriate to talk about on the show, that percentage is very low – Small? – But we’ll get some of the stories out. So, instead of going back to your birth story. Let’s not talked about your birth story ’cause that’s seems like odd. Like we’ll go back to like when you were a kid and where your from. – It’s more about my parents anyways. – But like, yeah. I wanna talk about when I first met you because I went back through my inbox and you had sent an email to us in December of 2014. We’re looking for a producer and editor for Ear Biscuits which is this podcast, kind of. And I have your resume. – Oh, no. – And I also have the cover letter that you wrote. So, Ear Biscuits. I mean I feel like, and you know so weird is that I was like, Kevin is an OG Mythical crewmember. Like, I feel like you’ve been here – I feel I like too. – for a very long time. – I think there was like eight people that worked here when I started, roughly. – Yeah and it feels like forever ago. It really does. – It does. – And we were at our old studio studio. – The old studio. – Which was not a studio at all. – No, it was like a house. – It was like a weird, like the back part was like someone’s apartment and then the front part was like, it seemed like a really bad dental facility or somewhere. – Yes, that is what it felt like. – Where they like gave you drugs or something. – Yes, it was definitely a drug facility of some sort and you open the door and there’s it’s a wall and you’re like, oh. And there’s like a staircase that goes up and you’re like, okay I guess I go that way. – My biggest memory of that like specific little entry room that you’re talking about and I don’t mean to throw the person under the bus but I doubt that they’re listening to this. We had someone that was working for us for a very short period of time that mailed a package to herself. – Oh, yes. – And I just, in my mind like, I see that entryway and I just see the package leaning out against the door. Because I was the one who found it and I was like, from Mythical to Mythical. Weird, anyway so then I was like, well but when did Ear Biscuits start? I looked at the wiki page for Ear Biscuits. – Oh, yeah. – September 2013. And that origin story. According to the wiki page, the origin story of Ear Biscuits is that they wanted to like, tape their marriage counseling sessions which don’t exist but they wanted to have them on the podcast. I don’t even remember that being even a joke. But according to the wiki page, that’s how the origin story is. But it was more like, I was like, hey we should do a podcast and they were like, nah and i was like, come on, we should really do a podcast and they were like, nah and then they came in one day and we’re like, remember how you were asking if we should do a podcast? Let’s do it. – We’re gonna do a podcast too. – Anyway, so from September 2013, all the way until January 2015 when you joined, our editing system was a little bit odd and so, like I was producing the show, booking the guests, doing the research for people and then I was paper editing the show and I remember I have an Instagram post from Harley, Epic Mealtime’s episode and it’s every F-bomb that he said on the show, the time code of it. Like there were some like inventive curse words and it’s just a sheet of paper with just like, really horrible curse words all over it with time codes. – Doesn’t surprise me. – But anyway, you started at January 2015 and you took everything over from me and it was amazing. – I did, yes. I have to tell you how I got the email. – Okay, yeah. – But I don’t know if you want to talk about the email first. – No, I would love for you to. – So, it’s a bit of a long story but I’ll keep it to the highlights. So this might step on some things you’re going to ask me soon though. Are we going back? Are we going back into like. – We’re going back but you can go back before I go back. We can go back together. I don’t have to be the back that goes back. – Let me line up this crack here and we’ll go back. – Okay. – So. – Are you gonna have a different voice. – No, I’m gonna keep it same. I don’t have other voices. I only have one voice. So, that email went through like five people. – Wait, which email are you talking about? – The email that you sent out looking for a producer of Ear Biscuits. – Okay, okay. – It took, I went through like four or five people before it got to me and it went through two of my friends before it got to me. – Really? – Yeah, you never knew this. – No. – I kept this secret until now ’cause I knew one day, I’d be on the Ear Biscuits podcast, telling you. – Crew Biscuit. – Crew Biscuit. So, I had been doing some editing work, some freelance in Los Angeles and when the work. It was always like, out here it’s always feast or famine so I was in famine mode and I wasn’t getting any work so I started putting out feelers to a bunch of my friends and I was saying, hey if anything pops up in line of editing or anything just let me know and I started getting desperate because like nothing was coming up. – Oh, thanks. – Yeah, no, like I had a Trader Joe’s application in the trunk of my car and I was also collecting unemployment at this time. So I went through great feast times and I just hit like this slump and I was also kind of itching to get back into working with the team as well instead of freelance editing by myself. It got kind of tiresome and lonely. So I was also looking for something specific too. And then I finally got a forward message from my friend. There was this email from Stevie and the friend was. So when I came out to Los Angeles. See now, I think I’m taking over your questions here, probably. Like going back in time? – I’m not precious about my questions, please. – Okay, so I moved out to LA like eight years ago? And just wanting to do something in the entertainment industry. – But okay, okay. Yeah, this isn’t a question but you’re from Lancaster. You’re from a very close place to LA just to establish that. – Lancaster, California. It’s like an hour outside of Los Angeles. If you’ve ever seen like a car commercial where it’s all desert and like Joshua trees, it’s Lancaster. I mean they have, basically, just like seven Walmarts and it’s a lot like. – Seven Walmarts? – Yeah, they have a lot of Walmart’s out there. – Wow, it’s just Joshua trees and Walmart? – Joshua trees and Walmarts. – Okay, we’ll get back to Lancaster. I just wanted to set it up for the people that like, you moving out to LA was that type of moving situation. – Yes, born in Pittsburgh, moved to Lancaster, California, three months old. So raised in Lancaster all up till I was 20 and because you’re only an hour outside of LA, I knew at a very young age that I wanted to be in the entertainment industry. In fact I knew when I was in the seventh grade because my neighbor across the street, his aunt lent us their video recorder and it was like one of those old-school. I always call them call Flintstone cameras but they’re the ones you like put a VHS tape in and put it in your shoulder. It was like the IPs and you have to do like in camera editing where you stop and rewind and since we got that camera, we started making little funny sketch videos and it’s the only consistent thing I’ve done my whole life. Is like make videos. So I knew then that that’s what I wanted to do but I had no connections in LA. I had no family in the business. My family was always lower middle-class, relatively poor growing up. So I couldn’t even, they couldn’t like buy me a camera to do stuff so this was all off of someone’s like borrowed camera and like a borrowed computer that a neighbor had that they were making these videos but I was very passionate about it and. – Like let’s dive in to one of the videos. Let’s get an example ’cause I’m thinking like, the only time I ever used cameras like that, it was always Barbies. Like, and I was always Ken but there was always Barbies and they were talking to each other and then, you know, there was no other possible videos to make. – It was just that? – It was you could shoot Barbies and then that’s all you could do. I have two. – So as Barbies, right? – It was all Barbies. In fact, we did use some Barbies but I have two VHS tapes at home that are just labeled commercials on them because when I was a kid, when we started doing these, we started making. – You made local commercials? – We made commercials. Yes, basically. – Oh, my god. A feat. – So we did a, we did a Got Milk commercial and we did a Mister Rogers commercial and we did a lot of action figure stuff. – Aww, Mister Rogers commercial. Like in earnest or like it was making fun of Mister Rogers? – Totally making fun but also like an homage ’cause I loved Mister Rogers growing up. So it’s kind of both. ♫ It’s a beautiful day int the neighborhood ♫ A beautiful day in the neighborhood ♫ Won’t you be my neighbor Well, today’s kids, we might be going to ice cream factory and look how they make ice cream. I guess we have a visitor. (claps) Oh! Stop. Kids, call, ah! – It’s a bloody day in the neighborhood, isn’t it Mister Rogers. (screaming) (thuds) Everyday, we beat up a neighborhood. Not my neighborhood. Help, help. – And we started. The older we got, the kind of weirder they got. I went through a wrestling phase where I was really into wrestling. So, we have buried somewhere some wrestling videos where I have like characters of the wrestler that I was ’cause I swore that I was gonna be a wrestler one day. – Wow. – Yeah. (slow music) – [Home Video Announcer] Throws Bob against the rope, uh, oh. Suplex! Picks up a chair, oh! Danks him in the head. Brings it, oh, right to the head, oh. Home run by Mark McGuire! – I went through a wrestling phase. In fact, I met The Rock. I met Dwayne Johnson. During my wrestling phase, my mom let me ditch school one day so I could go and wait in line for four hours in downtown LA to meet The Rock at a book signing. – [Stevie] Wow. – And I told him that I would see him in the ring one day. (laughs) So we ever get Dwayne Johnson on the show, you have to let me tell him my story. – I think we can manage that. I think we can make that happen. – I have his book signed, it’s proof. – I thought that you were just like, in fact I met The Rock and then you were going to stop there and like. – Wait a minute. – It was like a bragging moment and I was like, I don’t know where to go from here, Kevin. – I was bragging but no, this will this will all get back to the email here and it all make sense, I promise. – Okay, so you’re you making little videos on this VHS Flintstones camera. – Editing them on, remember those old Macs? The big like huge Macintosh Apple computers that were colored like neon purple. – Remember those? – Yes, those were really cool. – My neighbor had one so I would use his ’cause again, like my family was kind of poor and they couldn’t buy me a computer. – How would that work? So, does the video camera have like a cord that connects it to the computer at that point? ‘Cause I only did the miniDV like, many DVs were, when I, yeah. – Right, so the first phase of making these videos was VHS tape editing on camera so if we messed up at tape, you rewind so you’d always see like a short clip of the mess up and they would like scramble and then cut to the new take and we had, my friend. I did it with my friends Brian and Sean. They were like my best friends growing up across the street and one of them who’s a musician would be on a keyboard doing like music and sound effects as the background. So that was the first like installment of videos. As time went on and they started the VHS tapes, tapes started getting smaller and smaller and then we got the computer they had like a, I think it was like a FireWire cable or something. You plug right in and that was like, oh. – Good, I just wanted everyone to know what the setup was. – The program we use, yes. And that was like a revelation because then, I remember being able to put in a song in a video was like, in titles. That was the coolest thing in the world to me. – I remember the first time I edited anything in that way. I was in the edit bay for like. I must have been like over it overnight at some point and it was like a 60-second fake intro for something that had a music track behind it and I remember being very excited but also like, very frustrated that it had taken me that long to get to that place. – So long to do? Yeah, I don’t even know how we did it. It’s just all self-taught. Everything I’ve ever done editing has been self-taught and just learning off of people that are really good at it like Morgan. – So you ditched wrestling. – Ditched, yeah, there is a. – And you decided the video thing was where you wanted to go. – Yes, ’cause there was a phase in the wrestling, got over that phase and we continued making videos and it sort of attracted all of the friends that I had. Like the older I got, I would take whatever video. Like in high school there was a video class like the school show that they did every morning, like the announcements. So I took that class and we got to make sketches for that and then junior college, I went to Antelope Valley College which was a mile from my parents’ house. – Shout out. – Shout out to AVC. Had some good teachers there and I took a bunch of film classes there, I did a bunch of film projects there and made some good friends there as well and then after that, I applied and went to San Francisco State University. I went there for two years and I went there for creative writing because I was also, as I was a filmmaker and I was writing sketches, I really liked writing too and so I thought for school, I had two friends, my two best friends. Not Brian and Sean, other two best friends I made. They’re all my best friends. They actually were all my groomsmen at my wedding. – Oh. – Yeah, which is kinda cool. – [Stevie] You’re not even trying to be nice. – I’m not even lying. They’re literally all my best friends. – I was like, Kevin’s so nice but like, Kevin’s really nice. – So, oh, they told me to stop, not banging on the desk. I’m sorry Maggie, I keep banging at this. – They’re always telling us what not to do. – You don’t control me, Maggie. So, I went to school for creative writing and I went with Benny and Tony and I was there for two years. – [Stevie] You went with friends from home that also went in. – [Kevin] Friends from home. we all like applied together. – Oh, that’s awesome. – And we got in like, it’s just in the nick of time ’cause we were short three credits for a math class and we had the one teacher there that everybody said, is easy ’cause I am terrible at math. Horrible. I took one math class my first semester and it was something like embarrassing like, algebra 2 or something that I was failing. I was like, oh, gosh so I took statistics. If you ever are bad math and you need the credits, take statistics. That’s a great advice. We had to take a Saturday morning class. It was the only one available and we took that and barely passed but got the credits we needed to go to San Francisco and I was working for, I was working at a movie theater ’cause you know, the whole movie thing and I was also working at Technicolor film lab which is in Burbank. – That’s cool. – Or North Hollywood. And I got that job because I was a projectionists at the movie theater and a friend of mine said, hey do you want to come and do projection down at Technicolor, it’s a union job and I was like 18 years old, finishing up school, wanting to go to University and I thought, sure why not and it was great. It was like 32 bucks an hour job and I was a youngest person doing projection at Technicolor. – The youngest person at Technicolor, go figure. – The youngest person at Technicolor and my job was to, as I’m going off in little side tangents but I promise we’ll get to this email. My job there was to run. Like after they printed the reels for movies, I would thread them up in a projector and then play them for color timers to make sure that the prints look good. I think now they send out DVDs and stuff to theaters or like discs or something to theaters that, using film is not as much anymore so, I knew that being. – I’m don’t know if that’s true but I will just nod my head to what you’re saying. – The theater that I worked at, Cinemark 22 in Lancaster, shout out, California. – [Both Hosts] Shout out. – Oh, we do shoutouts on Crew Biscuits. We made that up last time we shouted out. Who do we shout out last time? I shouted out a Jennifer Lawrence. I just, you know. So you can shout out The Rock and Antelope Valley High School. – Antelope Valley College, yep. Lancaster High School is where I went. We don’t have to shout them out. – Okay, no. – No, they’re great. So then, we passed the math class. I was working for Technicolor. I was working at the movie theaters. I was working two jobs and going to school, full-time pretty much and the Technicolor job, I would thread it up play it for the color timer just to make sure the print looked good so they could send it out to the theaters and often you would be running them for, you would be running dailies for the cinematographers, sometimes the directors would come in. It was like high-profile people like Clint Eastwood would come in. And I remember doing The Terminal, the Spielberg movie and the, I don’t know if it was one of the producers. I threaded it up upside down and I didn’t know and it was like my first week. Every projector in there was different. I was 18 years old. I’m pretty sure I developed acid reflux from nerves being there and I hit, start ran it and I went to the other projector to thread up the next reel and apparently they were trying to call me on the phone but the phone wasn’t working. So then I turn around and the guy has a phone in his hand and he’s banging on the window with it. And he’s screaming at me but they’re soundproof so I can’t hear him. So I see that it’s upside down and I’m like, oh god so I had to call the chief projectionists to help me and he ran down, he held me. When it was over, the guy came out and basically just talked crap about me for a while and. – To you? – To my boss, wanting to, basically, say fire me. – What more can you say? Other than like. – I know. – He put it in upside down. – Yes, yeah, sorry. And it’s the chief, my boss is really cool. He just came in. He’s like don’t sweat it. That was all he said to me. – I liked the idea of someone of using the chief about something. – He was like chief projectionist. Always just call him chief. Chief. – Okay so, how does it all tie in to the email? – So I ended up making some money from that job. Enough to where I could go to school in San Francisco or join the union and be a full-time projectionist. I went to school ’cause San Francisco was ways more enticing to me. – Good choice. – And. – Because I always go to school, kids. I always go to school. – Especially in San Francisco, it’s so expensive now and it was at the time I was there but not nearly as bad and I had a great two years there. It was an incredible experience and then I moved back home as you do after college. Not knowing what to do. I just had a degree in creative writing which, I mean what are you gonna do with that? – I was gonna asked you if your parents. If you were pushed into creative writing because they don’t want you to go into video or one of the families that are like, no you can’t get a degree in that but you have to get a degree in this but before I get that answer. Am I in the shot? I wanted to let you know about this t-shirt that you could get at rhettandlink.com/store. It doesn’t come with hair or with a flannel over it but it does come with ultimate coolness. Can you see this Maggie? Can you see how cool it is. – It’s very cool. – Or my computer blocking it? – I can vouch for Stevie. It is a really cool shirt. – It’s I want my GMM. That’s a reference to MTV for the young people out there who don’t know that. You will wear this and you will be very cool. Oh, my gosh Kevin. What is that? – Oh, well Stevie. I’m so glad you asked because this right here is a once in a lifetime only mug. The Boiled For Safety mug. – I thought you said, I thought you’re gonna say, this is the one and only and I was like, no. You could get. – I totally didn’t say that but the same effect. This is a great mug. I drink out of this mug every day. If there was liquid in it right now, I would be drinking out of it. There’s not but. – But show ’em how you drink air out of it – I’ll show you how. – Because some people love air. – I’ll do it to my camera also. – That is great. Hey, look at the bottom of that mug. – Do you see that? – There’s a hidden little logo in there. It’s for a show called Good Mythical Morning, as is this t-shirt and you can get the t-shirt and the mug at rhettandlink.com/store. Wow. I am, again, just struck with how great that ad was and my general ability, I mean and yours. – Oh, thank you. – But it was the second time for me to do it so I’m just saying, to sell. – It was a good ad. – Things at rhettandlink.com/store. – Solid ad, great product. So you’re asking me. – So, the teaser was, did your family bully you into a one degree or another when it when it came to college? – And the answer is a very simple no. My parents are really awesome. I was very lucky with great parents and great brothers. Great family. So no, they supported me in any endeavor I have ever wanted to go on. They would back it. For me it was just always a balance between I love writing and I love editing and filmmaking and the two are mutually exclusive but when you go to school, you got to pick one or the other and I just chose writing. I was just in the phase of it at the time. – I am just to talk about myself for a second. – Please. – I too knew that I wanted to be in the entertainment industry but when I was a kid, I either wanted to be an actor. That is not something that as I grew older, I was comfortable with. In fact that was the other thing I wanted to talk about is as soon as the cameras start rolling, I get very self-conscious which people have commented on GMM. Like why is Stevie always hiding behind something. Well it’s a lot easier that way. I wanted to be an actor, an entertainment lawyer or a producer. – Okay. – And I feel like my parents were like, please don’t be an actor, please don’t be an actor. And they were like, please be an entertainment lawyer but I chose them between the two that I could’ve. Anyway that’s. – That’s good though. – And now, back to Kevin. – Hey, back to me now. I’m gonna keep on rambling. So after school, I move back home as you do and I was trying to figure out what to do and I bounced around a lot of random jobs. I have worked a lot of random jobs. A lot of retail jobs. – Such as? – So, general ones are like Blockbuster Video. – Ugh, it’s so cool. I was just thinking about when I was little. I would go to Blockbuster at least once or twice a week but it would get to the point where I had seen everything on the shelves. Like as soon as I saw a movie that I hadn’t seen, I was like, is this appropriate for me to watch? Because I haven’t seen it and it looks good Anyway, that’s very cool. – When I worked at Blockbuster, they let you have five free rentals a week. – That means no social life. – That means no social life. Lots and lots of movies. As I worked at the movie theater, I worked for Tower Records for a brief time. – You had really cool jobs. – Yeah, those were some of the coolest. – I worked at Build-A-Bear and I feel like if I looked at myself, I would understand that as well and but that’s, I mean you’re a lot cooler than I am, so. – Well I also worked for T-Mobile for a while and I worked for, I hung posters for a local fare once for a while. Got my first paycheck doing that. I wrote music reviews for a website called Prefixmag. Shout out. (laughs) And I got my first check as a writer from Prefixmag for six dollars. – Six dollars for one article? – Six dollars for one article, yes. But hey, it was kinda cool. I was like I got paid for a writing. That’s cool. – Yeah, that’s nice. – And then I worked for a hotel company for a long time. – I saw that on your resume that I have. – A very long time and that was like. I chose that because I thought about going to grad school but this job popped up and I thought, I can travel with this job and I did. Like I got to go to Holland, I got to go to Ireland and I had my first trip to New York and I went to Napa Valley. Had a lot of cool trips from that job. So it was good for what it was and then finally, my friend Benny, who I went to college with. Tony is still there. – One of your best. – Yes, Tony is still in. – Tony’s still in college? – In, no. He’s still in San Francisco. – Because that is financial state problem. – A long student, yes. No, Tony’s still in San Francisco. – A long student. – That make sense, right? Sort of. So Benny finished grad school and then he said, I’m moving to LA and I want you to move in with me and I was like, I want to do that too but I’m working at this hotel job and I you know it’s a long commute and I don’t know if I want to do it but, because Benny was in the same boat. He wanted to be an actor and he knew I wanted to do work in the entertainment industry so he was like look, I’m gonna move now and I think my recommendation is for you to move out here with me and then you can start looking for what you really want to do ’cause you’ll be here and you just won’t keep putting it off and it was actually really great advice. So I didn’t have to commute for a while but I was actively looking for stuff here in town ’cause I was trying to figure out how like, you know the infamous saying of like getting your foot in the door somewhere. Which is the hardest thing to do when you have no connections and no family members in the business. – I mean, but you worked at Technicolor. – I was at Technicolor, yes, as the youngest projectionist ever there. So I moved out here and we joined a sketch comedy group called Good Form Peter. A shout out, they’re dead now. They no longer exist. Not like physically dead but the group is dead. – That was going down the path I did not think it was going to go down. – And we did a few sketches and it kind of lit the flame of like this is what I have been doing my whole life and this is what I wanna do and we realized, the two of us, we should just start our own. We were doing it with a group of people and we weren’t really doing what we wanted to do so we started our own sketch comedy group called Joy Camp. And shout out, Joy Camp. And this was, it was like, I was applying for job to be an editor or a writer. Nothing was working and when we started this, it was the beginning of everything for me. So, the two of us got together with a couple of other good friends. Our friend Delman who is Lee Newton’s now husband. Who’s one of the funniest guys I’ve ever met my whole life. My friend Nick and and my brother. My brother would do all the shooting for us. And a few other friends and so we started this group and we started making videos for YouTube and they they did okay, they did pretty well. We got like up to like 17,000 subscribers and we found our little niche audience and it opened all the doors for me in this business because first of all, it taught me like, to get better editing, better at writing. Just more efficient in general. Lighting, all the stuff that it takes to do like what we do here, basically. And so I built my resume doing that and then that’s how I started getting my freelance editing jobs, was from that and I did a, I worked for Roseanne Barr. – That is noted in my notes right now. Should we go. I’m sorry, you go to your email but I do want to talk about your resume and your cover letter, okay? Because it’s funny how directly it is. – So I’ll get to the email and we’ll come back to that. So, it got me a lot of jobs including this one here at Mythical Entertainment because your email you sent to Studio 71, I believe. My friend Mitch was working for Studio 71 in the New York office. I don’t think he does anymore but he was at the time so they sent it to him saying, hey, do you know anybody that will fit this? – That is so nice that they were spreading the word like that. – Yes, Mitch sent it to Nick. They’re in a YouTube group called The Kloons which are great and Nick knew that I had been putting feelers out for a job so he sent it to me because Nick were doing Kloons stuff and he didn’t need a job so he sent it on to me and I read it and as I was reading it, I was like, this sounds great. Like this sounds like totally right up my alley. So I drafted up my email that I sent to Nick or to Mitch. Mitch said he’ll sing my praises and I got really excited and like I said, it was very exciting for me to get that email because I was on the search for a couple of months and my bank account was depleting, living off of savings. I was getting nervous. The holidays were coming up. I’m went the Trader Joe’s. I got an application. I was like I can do that for a little while till the work comes in and my unemployment. So, this is how crazy this is. I came home one day. Like kind of beaten down from just nothing panning out and I open the mailbox and I had my last unemployment check. Literally like, literally the last check that I got from an unemployment. I go inside and I’m like, okay, what the heck am I going to do. I got my Trader Joe’s application, open up my laptop and I had an email from you. – Oh, my god. – On the exact night. And I just thought like, it’s too good to be true. So, then you basically set up an interview for me at the old office. Which I came into. I was very excited about it and very nervous ’cause it was like the three of you guys in the room. It was like, Rhett and Link like never met before. – I always forget that about interviews period. Whenever I have the guys in an interview, I always forget that for whoever we’re interviewing it. It makes things even more like, you know, heightened. Like the anxiety level is so much more heightened. – It was a long time. – Also, they’re very tall. – They are really tall and it was shocking like, they were sitting, Link on one side of me and you are like on the other side of me. So I was like flanked. – I need to be better about like interview etiquette. I remember even when I interviewed with them way back when we met at a coffee shop and we we were standing in line to get food and I was trying to talk to them. I knew who they were at the time but you know and I was like, like I literally, I was like trying to. It was this situation that I was like I’m not used. This is, ooh. I hope I’m coming off okay but like, anyway, sorry. So, interviewed. I also have a, when you came in for your interview, it was such a small studio and I think that you were really excited so you were talking in a volume that was. – You could hear me? – Louder that you talk in real life. And I remember thinking like, this guy talks so loud but I was like, he’s so nice and he totally gets it and he’s a podcast fan and I really wanna have him and let’s hope that he doesn’t talk that loud in real life and then you didn’t. That was like, okay, good. – It was probably the nerves. Just like, you kind of like put under a microscope in those situations and like the natural action’s just to talk really loud because that’ll make me better for some reason. I was dripping sweat when I came out. I didn’t know if you guys knew that but I walked out, The first thing I did when I go home and take a shower but when I close the door behind me, I could hear you guys. – Oh, no. – Kind of. But I couldn’t tell what you said and it made it even more nerve-wracking ’cause I either thought you guys said, well he was awesome or well he was awful. – Oh, no. – Yeah. I didn’t know which one. So like the whole time I’m like, that was awesome. They said awesome. – We also probably didn’t say either one of those things. – You probably didn’t say either. It’s probably something unrelated, yeah. It was all in my head but like the whole drive home like, they think I’m awesome. No, they probably, they think I’m awful, they think I’m awful. I’m not getting the job. But then, I don’t know. it’s a few days later, I got another email and I was so pumped ’cause it was like a little trial run thing that you guys gave me. Which I did and I think I did really well on it and then you offer me the position and it was like the beginning of December? But I wasn’t starting till January but it was the best Christmas gift ever because it was like, I know I have a job in January and now I get to enjoy the holidays. Like with my friends and family so it was like, I mean you should have seen like, when I told Kate, she was like, jumping for joy. – Well, let’s jump to Kate for a moment ’cause I have a good Kate story too. Well, I mean that’s really amazing. – You do have a good Kate story. – That fate which is a word that rhymes with Kate is amazing and I’m glad that you’re still here and I feel like you’ve been here for a very long time. – I know I’m old school. – Kate is your wife your now. She used to be your girlfriend then she was your fiancee. – Yes, girlfriend for like 10 years. – Really? It was that long? – On and off for 11 years and then we got married and we’ve been married for almost a year now. – How’s it going? – People always ask how’s married life and I’m like, it’s the same. It’s literally exactly the same but it’s great. – But Kate has a secret that’s not actually a secret. Kate has a twin. – She is identical twin. – Can we talk about that for a second? – Yeah, sure. – How does that the like, so how did you guys meet? How do twins meet other people? – Actually I made a video about how we met for. – Sorry, I didn’t see that one. – For, no, I meant to slack it to everybody after the wedding and then I forgot. But I made it specifically for the wedding and it’s one of those, it’s like a spoof of like the Drunk History thing with her sister and I but I recorded them. The twist was they didn’t know they were being recorded. I just got audio of them and then I had Delman and my friend Benny play their parts and reenact the whole story but it’s actually. – Wait, and you piece together audio clips from them that told the story without them knowing? – So Em, and it was one night she. – We got to put this somewhere, by the way, now that we’re talking about it or just cut to a clip. – I’ll be happy to share it, yeah. – Let’s cut to a clip. – [Kate] So they were walking to the campground and also I see Kevin and I (gasps). I’m really excited so I would sat next to them and. (mellow piano music) And I was like I’m so sorry Kevin ’cause having a really fun. We’re talking about movies and books. I was like I gotta go. I gotta go find my sister and says like, we’ll can I come with you? And I was like, okay. And so we walked to this awesome rock right on the river. He’s like, well, let’s sit here and so we sat there and talked for a while and that’s where our first kiss. – It’s the only public video of my personal YouTube channel ’cause I use that for like, when I’m sending drafts of editing thing to people. But that tells the whole story, pretty much in full but we met in high school through my girlfriend at the time, Cassie. – Ooh. That’s my girlfriend’s name. – Yes it is. She’s awesome too. Cassie is the best. – My girlfriend? Or your Cassie? – She was cool but your girlfriend’s awesome. – Yeah, she’s pretty awesome. – And we kind of knew each other often on high school and then one day I moved to San Francisco and my first summer after living there for a year, I went camping at the Kern River and the Kern River is not far from LA. Most people don’t know it’s a couple hours away. But it was something that I did with my guy friends frequently and unbeknownst to me, it was something that she did with her family for a long time and we just so happened to be there at the exact same time and just so happened to have a mutual friend that was there that knew that we were both there. That brought everybody together and that’s pretty much where we hit it off and then kind of dated on and off ever since. – In the river. – Yeah, the Kern River. And there’s a lot more to the story but it’s all in that video that I’ll be happy to share. – Okay, we’ll link to it and we’ll cut to a clip. So in high school you were like, oh, there are these two, there are these twin girls that are. – Yes, twin girls, yeah. – But they’re identical. – Identical twins. – Like isn’t there a story where they did fool you ones or you almost were fooled. – They did, that’s like a very common twin question for them is if they ever like traded places and stuff and they did but never. – What specifically did? I remember a story about them. – They’ve done it like on the phone, you can’t tell who which is which. It’s very difficult so there’s been many times where I’ve called and Em’s picked up the phone and I’ve talked to her for 20 minutes. (laughs) So little things like that. – Wait, like she’s actively trying to fool you or she just want to talk to you for 20 minutes. – Like actively trying to fool me. So there’s been a lot of things like that one way but never anything like super crazy. – I, this is my Kate story. And I can’t remember, was it after VidCon? It was after some kind of convention in which or some trip I was taking with Rhett and Link whenever I’d go with Rhett and Link anywhere, they get approached by a lot of people and then I am standing there so they have to say something to me like, oh, Stevie we know who you are too. And so I was in this mindset where, that we had been, a lot of people approaching me and talking about the show and I was feeling pretty good about the show but like I had a business lunch in our neighborhood in Los Feliz. That’s as specific as I’m gonna get. And I was on the phone on the way to a meeting and I like glanced to my side. I was waiting for the light to change and for me to cross the sidewalk. There was a really pretty girl who was like in her 20s and she was wearing a GMM hoodie but she’s also wearing sunglasses and a hat and I was like. My first thought was I really don’t wanna like, I don’t know what this interaction’s gonna be. Like we’re waiting to cross a sidewalk and I don’t know she’s going to say to me. I’m on the phone, I had to go to this meeting. This is really like, I just panicked when anyone approaches me I just like, I panic. And did you teach me the technique, I think, of like asking somebody what their name is? – Yes, I think I is tell you that. – Yeah, ’cause that’s what I use now. It’s like I’m immediately go to what’s your name? Because I’m like, oh, that’s a sentence I can complete right now at this moment. And so here I am thinking like, well, I feel really good about our show because we’re in this cool neighborhood and this cool girl’s wearing her sweatshirt and I’m standing right here and we have fans and then. Wait, how did I find out it was Kate? Like you. – You texted me, the same time that she texted me. – Because I thought that, I had thought about it and then was like, oh, wait, like I had to rationalize the situation to myself. – I think she was like saying hi but you were like kind of a nervous like reaction to her and I think it came up to you and your mind, it came off was like you dissed her and to her in her mind, she came off as someone creepy. So I got both these. I got a text message I went in from Kate that said, I just creeped out Stevie and one from you, I think I just dissed your girlfriend. (laughs) But then we resolved it and it was all good. – Yeah, but the day that I do see a cute girl in her 20s wearing a GMM sweatshirt in Los Feliz, it was not your wife. I think that’ll feel pretty cool. – Now, I do have one story that I have shared with you at the time but with not with any of the viewers, which is my proposal. And I don’t know. How much time we got? Are we good on time right now? ‘Cause, we’re okay? Okay, so again, I’ll keep this one to just the highlights. But this is like one of my favorite stories ’cause it involves me almost dying. As well as Kate too, and her whole family. So this is my proposal story. Story book proposal story. We were camping in Wrightwood which is a great camping place outside of LA but not a lot of people here know for some weird reason which is what makes it great. It’s been a ritual that we go there and we go on these long hikes up this thing called Mount Baden-Powell. This thing, it’s a mountain. We hike up a mountain called Mount Baden-Powell. It’s a very steep, long hike. It takes like two and a half to three hours to get up and a little shorter getting down. But it’s very steep and we’ve done it pretty much every year that we’ve like been together. – This doesn’t sound like, like at the top, is there like this oasis where you’re like everything’s beautiful here. – Yes, it is. It’s once you get to the top, it’s so rewarding that you’ve made it to the top and then you can kind of chill out. – I’m with you then. – Eat some food and there’s a log up there that we like carve our names into years and years ago and so I thought that’d be a great spot to do that and since I. – And her whole family knew that you were gonna do that. – They did and it was her whole family and me and her and then one of our friends was with us too. We were just all like a big camping group for a couple days on there. – Does she have any idea that this was coming? – She kinda had an inclination, yeah. She kinda knew. Wasn’t positive but she kinda knew and so what I did was as long as I’ve been with her, I’ve always made what I call like video albums of like pictures compiled together of our time together but I edit it to cool music. – Like virtual, like digital scrapbooks. – Yes, exactly. And I’ve been doing that forever. It’s a. – Did you know that the iPhone, the new. – Does it have like an app that does this? – It is crazy. – Really? – Yes, like you can, you go to your camera. Should I, okay maybe. – Should we see it? – I just wanna show you. – I want to see it ’cause this will save me a lot of time in the future. – I was like I was playing with this for a very long time ’cause it’s very creepy. Okay, so here is, let me see if it does it with this one. Okay, so here is the photo I just shared on Instagram. One of the scenes in Buddy System I really like. So when you’re in the your photos, you just scroll up and then it has related albums. I don’t know if you’ve seen this feature. – I have. – So then, let’s say I wanna click on July 13th which also looks like season 1 Buddy System. Then I can press play right here. – And it starts doing a slideshow. – Not only does it do a slideshow. – With music? No. – Let’s see. – Oh no, there’s music. Is it from your library? (light happy music) Oh, my gosh. Well, I’ll never have to make one of those ever again. – And no, and look at this. Also there’s choices for what you want the music to be. So dreamy, sentimental, gentle, chill, happy, uplifting, epic. Let’s see epic. You just go to epic and. – I bet it’s gonna play epic music. (fast paced epic music) It is, it’s like a, it’s a trailer. And it’s kind of in sync too. Well, now I’m not gonna be as cool if I make another one of those videos. – How that, like c’mon, you cannot not play with that feature for hours. I’m gonna admit it, hours. – Oh, I’ll be playing with that for hours tonight. After this podcast for sure. – Okay, I’m sorry. So that’s what you did. – I did a lot, so. – But like putting labor into it and like making it a cute thing. – Yes, so I made that for the proposal which I could only show on my laptop so I had to bring my laptop up on the hike which was a long hike like I said and it was much harder to get there having a laptop backpack on you but we made it to the top, I opened it up, showed the video to everybody, did the proposal. It was beautiful, like sun was out. – I’m guessing at the point when you took out your laptop as one she really knew something was up. – Yeah, she was like, huh, we about to watch a movie or something? – Not that we’re up on top of this mountain. Let’s watch a movie. – So, that went great. We all kinda celebrated and you know cheers and all that and then we made our way. – Did she cry? Did you cry? – Everybody did. – Everyone cried. – Yeah, everyone cried. And then we made our descent down the mountain and we noticed in the far off distance, there was this big plume of smoke coming up. – Oh, yes, I know this story. – It turns out that there was a big accident on the freeway which was like not terribly far from the campgrounds but far enough. And it just kind of had to gave this like sort of like ominous gloom to everything in that direction and then we made our way back to town where we usually stop and have dinner after the hike and we saw it on the news. There’s this big accident and this fire and then it got really windy. Out in that area, there’s like high winds that are intense and we go back to our campsite and the campsite is completely destroyed. The tents, everything blown over, toppled over on the ground. So we start cleaning up and putting things away and putting our tent back up. And during that time, Kate starts feeling really sick so she comes down with flu and she’s now throwing up. So she’s throwing up and the camps like back together but it’s really windy and she says, I’m gonna go to bed early. It was like eight o’clock. So I said, okay we’ll too, tired from the hike. So I go to bed, she’s kind of intermittently getting up to throw up and then to come at. Sorry, Kate, I know it’s a little embarrassing but coming back in the tent and then we finally fall asleep. Everybody falls asleep and then I’m awoken by the sound of our friend Shannon saying, guys, guys, guys and then I hear sirens. I’m thinking oh, my gosh. I thought I was dreaming. Opened the tent, Shannon is leaning in. She’s like, the mountain is on fire and we’re being evacuated. I was like, come again? So it’s like. – Cheerio, pip pip. Nice seeing you, goodbye. Zip. – In a total daze, you know, you get out of the tent and I look around and it’s everything’s like kinda coming to me and I see a cop coming around with sirens going and he’s on his loudspeaker saying, everybody must evacuate the mountain. The mountain is on fire. This is not a drill. I repeat this is not a drill. And I see all these campgrounds like rushing, packing up and me and Shannon are the only ones up in our campground. So I like have to wake Kate up and the thing about Kate and Em is when they get into deep sleeps, they do not wake up to the life of them. – Especially when they have the flu. – Especially when they have the flu. So it’s panic starts to set in and her dad and mom wake up and then I’m like trying to piece things together and I’m trying to wake up her sister who will not wake up. She is out cold. Em, Emily, Em, the mountain’s on fire. Wake up, Em and she’s just laying there, dead asleep and her boyfriend gets up and he was trying to wake her up and that wouldn’t work. And everybody’s kind of taking their time. Like putting like, like her mom was like folding the table and I’m like, no. Like the mountain is on fire. The cop comes around a second time, sirens blazing. I repeat this is not a drill. I look around, everybody else is gone except for us. So Shannon went into Em’s tent and she took to the air mattress and started doing this up and down with it and Emily is like flopping around like a fish out of water, still dead asleep. And then I get Kate up and she’s helping me and at this point I’m grabbing everything I can grab and throwing it into the car and her dad’s kinda doing the same. The cop comes around the third time and he says, this is your final warning. You have to get off the mountain now. The fire is closing in on the only exit on this mountain. If you do not get off you are stuck on this mountain and he’s very stern about it. – That doesn’t seem very helpful. – No, not at all. I was like, can you get up and give us a hand? He was just looking out for himself. – Like this is your final warning that your life is in jeopardy. Gotta go, bye. – Yeah, see ya. So I’m like, at this point, kind of yelling everybody just to get and we get Emily up. She immediately starts crying just because she’s like in a daze. Doesn’t know what’s going on, we’re yelling at her. So she’s crying, I put her in the car, I get Kate in the car, we get everything that we can get packed up and then Emily’s boyfriend runs off to his car. He has a flat tire. So he’s driving down the thing in a flat. – Oh, yes. I remember everything gets progressively worse. – I get in our car and then Dawn gets in the camper that we have. The truck that pulls the camper and he’s behind me and I still see Carolyn, her mom, trying to get stuff off the campground like folding up chairs. And I’m like leaning out the window like, Carolyn, get in the truck, let’s go. So she gets in the truck and we finally start driving off and we turned the van and they were not kidding. The fire was coming over the top of the mountain. We were driving into the flames. My my heart was beating like, am I going to be able to drive off this mountain? And if not. – And there was no one like in front of you or around you. – No one in front of us. No, it’s pitch black except for these gigantic flames coming over the hill. – At those moments, you kind of think like, isn’t there someone in the world right now that’s supposed to tell me what I’m supposed to do right now? – Kind of, yes. – [Stevie] You know? – It was honestly like in the moment. It’s fun to tell it now but in the moment, it was absolutely terrifying ’cause like the heart’s beating really fast, I’m driving into the flames that I’m thinking, is the exit gonna be closed? And if it is, what the heck are we gonna do? Turn around, ditch the car and run down this dark mountain in the middle of the night, probably. So we’re going to. – At least you had a plan. – Yeah, yeah. Running down a dark mountain away from the fire. We’re going down the winding road and we come around the last bend and I’m like fingers crossed please, please, please and sure enough the flames hadn’t quite hit it yet and it was open so they kind of waved us through. We drove down the street even Em’s boyfriend at the time, he got his car off with a flat tire. He parked it there and then we go. We pull off the street and now Em is come down with the flu so Em and Kate are on the side of the road. It’s like three in the morning, throwing up on the side of the mountain and I’m standing in the middle of the street seeing like her family on the street looking at this mountain has just engulfed in flames. Story book proposal. – That is a good proposal story. – Yes. – And I can’t wait to see the video that you used before the fire. Before the actual fire but after the romantic fire of your hearts. Well Kevin, I think that’s our time. – Okay. – Thank you, I mean I just arbitrarily determined that. – Yeah, that’s good. You have to stop me ’cause otherwise I could just keep going on and on forever. – Thank you so much for being on Crew Biscuits. – It was great to be here. – If you want more Crew Biscuits, let us know in the comments below and thank you for listening and for watching This Is Mythical and subscribing. You’ve been a great audience. – You’re the best. (upbeat music) (phone ringing) Why, hello Stevie. – [Stevie] Hi. – How’s it going? – [Stevie] So, everything’s going well except for the fact that I totally forgot to ask you to sign the table of dim lighting and I’m here on the Buddy System set, and I thought that if I did not get you to sign it, I would not be able to sleep at night tonight. So I was wondering if you could go in there and sign it right now. – You know, I would love to because I actually have not slept a single night since. So I’m gonna go ahead and. – [Stevie] You could have asked earlier. – I know. I’m just leaving Rhett and Link’s office because that’s where I work when they’re all filming Buddy System. And now I’m in the Ear Biscuits’ room. There’s a pen on the table so should I just sign anywhere? – [Stevie] I think that to be fair to Alex and the rest of the crew that I’m having on Crew Biscuits, you gotta go underneath. – Okay, that sounds good to me. Okay, I’m dropping down now. I’m gonna set the phone down ’cause I need. – [Stevie] Near the corner. – Okay, here comes the pen cap. Okay, you hear that? – [Stevie] Yeah, yeah. – Okay, listen close. I’m gonna sign. You hearing this? – [Stevie] Yep. – [Kevin] Okay, first name is done. Here comes the last name. – [Stevie] Oh, this is a long signature. – Yeah, my last name is kinda long but Stevie, you’ll be happy to know that I have signed the table. – [Stevie] Yeah, thank you. – You’re welcome. Thanks, Stevie. – [Stevie] Sleep well. – You too. – Bye. – Bye. (phone beeps) So it’s been two and a half years that I’ve worked here and I finally got my name on the table which is awesome. Now, Alex signed the table before me. He’s back here, you can’t really see it. It’s a little bit of a scribble. He kinda dramatically decreased the value of this table so I’m hoping that my signature has brought that value back up but in all seriousness, it’s an honor to be on this table here. Thanks guys. – [Rhett] To hear this Ear Biscuit in its entirety so you don’t miss a thing. Follow the links in the description to ART19, Apple Podcast, Spotify and anywhere else podcasts are available. – [Link] To watch more Ear Biscuits, click the video on the left. – [Rhett] To watch more from This Is Mythical, click the video on the right. – [Link] And don’t forget to subscribe by clicking the circular icon. – [Rhett] Thanks for being your mythical best.