(music) – Welcome to Ear Biscuits. I’m Rhett. – And I’m Link, this week at the round table of dim lighting we are discussing embracing immaturity. And we wanted to bring on some people to talk with us. It’s like hmmm. Who can hang out with us on Ear Biscuit discussing immaturity? Embracing immaturity. – Who’s the most immature in the office? – So we’ve got Mike and Alex. – Is that a compliment? (laughing) – [Rhett] You should be honored man. – Yeah, we’re gonna talk about that. – That is the thesis. By the end of this conversation I think we will thoroughly impact the fact that absolutely it’s a compliment. Welcome to the fold boys. We’re never gonna grow up. (laughing) – Excited to be here. (laughing) – Really? – In the realm of never growing up? – Not me. – Sorry we made you wait. Sorry Link made you wait. – No, it’s good man. We’re here now. – I had to eat a salad and I had to get salad out my teeth. – I had to sit there and listen to him eat a salad which is always an experience. (laughing) Okay, so we are gonna talk about embracing immaturity which is a chapter in the Book of Mythicality. We’ll talk all about that. We’re gonna talk about your guys show, Ten Feet Tall. I’m wearing the T-shirt. – [Guest] I see it, looks great. Right on the pocket. – You have a derivative Ten Feet Tall. – You got the OG shirt. – We’ll talk about that a little bit too. Because you’re guys show kind of embodies that. But before we do that. You just passed another threshold. (laughing) – [Guest] I did, yeah. – As in you had a birthday. – [Guest] I did. – How old did you turn? – We were gonna celebrate your birthday. – Well yeah. – And then all of a sudden. – That’s right. – You weren’t there for it. I mean it was. – I missed my own birthday celebration here at the office. – Here at the office because you left sick. – Yeah. – Did you? – Was I planning on that? – How old did you turn? I didn’t mean to, that was the next question. – Aw man, this is kind of hard to say but 28. (laughing) – Yikes. – [Rhett] Why is 28 hard to say? – For me that’s scary, that’s a spooky number. – Okay, yikes. It’s a good number. – [Rhett] You turn 28. Mike, how old are you? – 24. (laughing) – [Host] Dang. – Dang, young buck. – Soon to be 25. – Yeah, you turn 25 soon. – One month. – We’re all crossing thresholds here. – Yeah, everybody has birthdays. (laughing) – I think you genuinely forgot though. – What? – Cause you told people to get you cheesecake and then you just left and didn’t tell. – No, no. – Is that what happened, were you sick? – No, I didn’t forget. – Cause they told me you were sick. – I was sick. – I mean I still ate the cheesecake. It didn’t matter that you weren’t here. – I was happy for everyone who enjoyed my cheesecake. – What happened? – I mean I came into work that morning and then it was like. I don’t know, you were there. It was like 9:30 and I was looking at Mike like there’s no way. Like we were supposed to shoot that day and I was just like I feel like I could throw up at any second. – You looked rotten. – [Link] Green like green. – That’s the best I can describe, you looked like a sewer boy. – A sewer boy. I felt kind of like a sewer boy. I just felt horrible. Like I was sweating. – I’m gonna have to look that up on Urban Dictionary. (laughing) – It should be added if it’s not in there. – I was just sweating and also freezing at the same time. – Ohhh. – And I was just like. I lay down on our couch up on our loft and was like Mike, there’s no way I can shoot today. And then I was just like. I had a flight out at 4:00 a.m. that next morning. – [Host] That night. – That night, yeah technically. Well, my flight was at six but I had to get in an Uber by 4:00. And so I was just like, I have to go. So I went into Cody’s office and I was just like. Nothing good is happening. – [Host] You vomited in there? – No, I vomited when I got home. – You did? – Yeah, oh yeah. – But didn’t you, was it the day before that you shot that censored food thing? – Yes. Oh yeah, we didn’t even put that together really. – We sort of talked about that. – Well Stevie was the one who said that. Cause the interesting thing was. That video is out on This is Mythical. So you did the censored food video where everything that you’re eating. You’re making is censored visually but everything that you’re talking about is also censored verbally. – [Guest] Yeah. – But she was explaining to me, she was like. Alex is sick and I think it’s probably because of that. – [Guest] I think she might be on to something. – And the funny thing is is that they make gross stuff and they put dirty mop water in one of the dishes. And they didn’t mean to because the whole thing was censored. – Yeah, funny how that works out. – You got to make it real huh? – Yeah, it wasn’t as authentic. I mean I appreciate leaving that recipe out of it. It was censored for a reason. (laughing) Mop, okay now you guys have one of these. – That’s on me that I did that to you. – Yeah, that’s right. – I knew we’d see color. I supposed they could have changed it out in post. But I said we need something black. – That’s right, we always get something black in the mix usually. – But you don’t think it was food poisoning? – No, I felt horrible. I was in New York that weekend with my girlfriend and it was just awful. Like that whole weekend. – [Guest] Oh, so that’s where you were flying to? – Yeah, yeah, yeah. – Being on a plane sick is not good. – No, well I remember. This is awful, cause I essentially just was sick that whole time. And then I got on the plane and we’re about to take off and I was like. Wow, I’m gonna throw up right now. And then I was like. – There’s a bag for that. – Well, it wasn’t in front of me though. So I was like how could I get to the bathroom while the plane is taking off? I was thinking like you can’t. Is that physically possible. – [Guest] No. – I don’t think it is. – You probably could do it but you would be tackled. (laughing) – Are you telling me? Well did you look for the barf bag? – No, they’re not in the thing anymore. – Is that real? – Yeah, it’s real. – Yeahhh. – It’s in the thing. – In the 90’s it was real. – No listen, there’s a barf bag in every. – Not in the seats anymore. You got to get them from the bathroom. – What airline were you on? – [Guest] Delta. – Delta’s saving money not. Oh we’re gonna save money on barf bags but we’re gonna lose a lot of money having to clean up barf. What did you do? – I toughed it out. – You got to go deep into the pouch though man. – Really, so it’s not in the pouch. – It’s down deep. – It’s like finding a baby kangaroo. (laughing) You got to pull it open and stick your hand way down in there. – Or just barf into the actual. – But then we’re taking off and it’s coming back at me, you know. – No into the magazine holder. – Oh, yeah I guess that was an option. I don’t know, I was in a catatonic weird state. – You staved it off while taking off. – It was a mental battle. I was just focusing. – Breathe out in through your nose and out through your mouth. – It was and experience. I’ve never had a flight like that. The guy next to me probably thought I was on drugs because I was sweating. – This guys obviously in withdrawals. – You were contagious man on a plane. – But in love, you know. Had to get out there. – [Host] Had to get there. – Had to get out there. – [Host] Did she get sick? Later, eventually? – I think she is alright. – Ahh, she’ll be alright. (laughing) – She already knew to keep her distance, period. (laughing) – Exactly, yeah. – So, did you vomit anywhere? The only time I threw up is when I went home after work. – [Host] Not in the plane? – Not on the plane. – And then you got better while you were in New York? – Yeah, then I just hung out in New York. – Well, happy birthday. – Yeah, it was great. – Cheesecake was great. – Yeah, well I missed it but it sounded great. – Now, you guys are roommates in real life. That’s not just for the show. (laughing) – [Host] Alright boys, live together. Make it happen. – I mean we may have done that anyway. So when he leaves what do you do? – Get separation anxiety. (laughing) No, I mean. I tend to leave too I guess. (laughing) That makes it sound like. – [Host] I tend to leave too. – It makes it sound like I can’t be alone. – Well, we do that because for scheduling obviously. If one of us. The only other time anybody else can do that. – [Host] So you went back home? – I did. – Oh you did? – I did go home. – Your lives are getting in sync just in hours. (laughing) – Yeah, that’s what happens man. You have to take simul vacations. – Menstrual cycles. The whole nine. (laughing) – Everything begins to sync up. – It happens. – Well. – Well. (laughing) – Your cycle has come in? (laughing) – I’ve been synced up with you for years. – I’m not old enough. (laughing) – Okay, we’re gonna talk about your show. But I thought a good way to get into this whole embracing immaturity. Was to bring up this article. – And it is a whole. – Yeah it is a big. It’s just like the pouch in the back of an airline seat. (vomit sounds) Okay, back in July of this year. We were featured. (laughing) Well, we were mentioned in a New York Times article. – [Guest] Do you know about this? – [Guest] No. – By Jennifer, was the Weiner or Weiner? – This is the best part about the article because I don’t know about. – I don’t want to be. I’m already being immature about it but I honestly don’t know. Because you can say Weiner. – Jennifer, Weiner. (laughing) Last name is. (farting) – You can say Weiner or Weiner and I’m sure that she absolutely. She absolutely hates this conversation. – Oh yeah. – I went to school with a couple Weiners. And it’s Weiner. – Jennifer Weiner wrote an article. An op ed in the New York Times called The Men Who Never Have to Grow Up. And the big picture that is featured here is Donald Trump Jr. laughing in a field in a flannel shirt and baggy jeans. (laughing) And the premise of this article is basically that there is this sentiment that runs deep in American culture that says. Boy will be boys and therefore men can get away with anything. You know we’ve got men who are in their 30’s who mid to late 30’s who should be grown ups. But act like kids and we excuse their bad behavior. So she talks about Teddy Kennedy and the whole bridge situation with the girl that drowned. – Tactful. (laughing) – The way that. He’s 37 years old at the time and he was kind of excused for that. Cause boys will be boys and then they talk about. Then all of a sudden they start talking about. – But that wasn’t. That’s not current. She seemed to be talking about a current trend that Donald Trump Jr. is the poster boy. – Yeah, she goes on to say and this is when we get mentioned. And then she gets back into to Trump here in a second. But we can laugh but we should also recognize that Americans have a soft spot for our troublemakers and scamps. Scamp, I didn’t know that word. Who are as Wallen Jennings saying of Bo and Luke Duke. Good old boys never meaning no harm. Start with YouTube which is crammed with fellows in their 30’s and 40’s. Who have declined to put away childish things and have instead made their fortunes by singing love songs to their pillows or performing trick basketball shots. – And then the love songs to their pillow, there’s a link. Is that us? – Yeah, it is. – That is us, oh good. They linked to the video, more views. – Millions of subscribers watch Rhett McLaughlin and Link Neal, that’s us. Both 39. – Ohhhhh! That’s that number. – Both 39. – [Guest] Not for long baby. – Eat bugs or play will it taco with pine needles. And then they talk about this other dude. And then Colin Furze, the 37 year old inventor with his 360 degree swing and his wearable wolverine claws is also huge. Moving on to Ryan Seacrest and then Chris Hardwick and then Billy Bush. Oh okay, we just escalated. Now we’re in Billy Bush territory and then she comes out of the Bush and then she brings up Donald Trump Jr. again. – And Ryan Lochte. – Yeah, right. So and the idea and she brings up the whole Russia scandal and in this point. Everyone is talking about his meeting that he had and so. Her point is is that this pervasive and culture. But then she brings up scamps and troublemakers and throws us. And by the way Ryan Seacrest and Chris Hardwick. Doesn’t make sense. (laughing) – Ryan doesn’t fit, he’s no scamp right. – So I mean. – But you think we fit? – No, no, no. – You can say it. – No but. – First of all, there’s lots of comments on this article and thank you to all the mythical beasts who came in to comment and came to our defense. And kind of pointed out some of obvious. Now first of all, credit to Ms. Weiner because she. – Sorry, yeah I’m not laughing. (laughing) – She did the thing that you need to do when you write an article. And that is you got to get people talking about it. And I tweeted about this. I said I’m not sure why we were included and then Chris Hardwick responded to that tweet. And he’s obviously more popular than we are. He’s tweeting about it, so congratulations Jennifer. Because people talked about your article, mission accomplished. But. – Thanks to you. – I think one of the things we’re gonna talk about is the difference between being a trouble maker or a scamp and being somebody who’s young at heart and likes to have a good time. And I think she conflated those things. – Well can we just get out of the way the fact that we are professional comedians. Whether you’re a man, a female. No matter who you are. If your job is to be an entertainer and a comedian. There’s a long, long history of. In respective of your age embracing immaturity as part of. – The job. – Part of the job. – Right. – I mean, I’m not a freakin politician or the son of one. – Yeah, and we’re no getting away with things. Morally questionable things because we’re having a good time acting like fools. – But the accusation is that we are contributing to – A culture. – A culture where, you know. Boys will be boys, it’s just harmless little scampage. Just let them off the hook kind of thing because this is the example that we provide. There’s a disconnect there. But, I don’t know what it is. (laughing) I don’t get it. I don’t get the connection. – I can’t remember what Hardwick tweeted but he basically said something like I am a responsible adult who owns a company or whatever. We can say the same thing. Married with children, father’s of teenagers at this point. Running a media company in Los Angeles. So there’s that mature part. Like we’ve taken responsibility. – Responsibility. – Responsibility for our own actions and our own. – I would even say influence. – Yeah but that is unrelated to acting like a fool for the sake of entertainment. I think and you guys act like fools pretty much nonstop. – I mean we say one of the tenants of mythicality in the book is tom foolery. Bringing that back. – Yeah exactly. – As a term. – Curiosity, creativity and tom foolery. – I mean your building a whole show around it. – Right. – Yeah, absolutely. – You feel guilty now? You guys second guessing? – No, it think it’s weird to. I just think it’s a weird thing to call people out for. Also it’s just like, I feel like people want to discredit things. So they see there’s a fun goofy thing and they want to discredit it as it’s silly and dumb. When in reality as people who work behind the scenes on a bunch of shows here. It’s like there’s so much creativity and things that go into all the work here. And I don’t know, people just want to discredit that without giving it any credence. For a reason I don’t understand. – We say this all the time, it’s like. We try to be very smart about being stupid, right. We try to do stupid things in a smart way. So and that’s what you guys do. So you have your. The reasons that you come up with on the show to do the things that you’re going to do for the sake of entertainment. Make it seem like you’re just a couple of guys who kind of sit in the loft all day. And just wait until something inspires you. But you guys also produce the show. – Yeah. – Right. – Yeah, we do everything with the show. I mean, it’s a lot. I wish that we could just sit down in the loft and come up with the things that we come up with. – It’s an element of that. But we’re not that person 24 hours a day seven days a week. – Yeah, exactly. – The show wouldn’t get done. We’d never be able to do anything. – We’d just be doing really stupid stuff. – So I say naturally, sure we’re imbeciles for maybe a 50 50 part of the day, sure. (laughing) But we do sit around and we talk about why do we want to do this idea? – Okay, that’s a good question. – Why? (laughing) – What goes through your minds when you come up with the things that you guys want to do on the show? – I think the main thing. The first thing that drives us is has anybody done anything like this before? And I think that drives all the shows here for the most part. – Yeah. – Especially Jim man. I mean it’s like the main thing. We’re always cross checking everything to be like has anyone done anything even like this before? And so I think we have a little bit more pull to kind of do way out the wall. – Not even off the wall. – Out the wall. – People have said off the wall. So you made a choice right there. – Yeah, exactly. – I gonna say out the wall. – People are saying off the wall, it’s out the wall. – Right. – For Ten Feet Tall, which rhymes. (laughing) – Out the wall with Ten Feet Tall. – Yeah, exactly. But we’re always trying to do just different. We want to be different. Anybody can be weird and stupid but you got to do it in different more creative way. Which is what we try to do. – Does something you’ve shot stand out. Like as a moment of just another day. I always say when we’re in the middle of something really stupid that we’re doing. Again, we’re talking about we fully calculated why we’re doing it and how it’s gonna be fun for the audience. But then when I’m doing it, it’s just like. Man, this is another day at the office. (laughing) Doing something totally stupid. And you can see these things and then when you’re in it. Or dangling from it. Or trying to sell it or whatever it is. I mean if you’re having those moments then you’re doing something right. – Yeah. I think moments like. – What are the best moments so far? – The moments of like pure creativity that you can see us figuring out as we go are the ones that I like the best. Like we did this thing with two giant teddy bears. Where essentially, there was no game plan like how we were gonna make that work. (laughing) We were just like we want to do a battle with two giant teddy bears and so you can see us figuring it out on camera. And like discovering what everything was gonna be. Cause we had no idea if any of that would work at all. Or if even if we could get inside of it. – That’s when you can tell we’re having. I think that’s what people love is when they can see we’re actually having a ton of fun doing something. Exploring something we didn’t know would work or not. Then when it does work. – It’s incredible. – It’s insane. (laughing) – Right, like there was this curiosity. Like well, how do I? Can we get a bear big enough? How do I get in it? How do I get out of it? – How do I fight in it? – Of course. – And documenting it is super important to us. – Yeah like capturing those moments where it’s like you guys discover something. – So every one across America can do it as well. (laughing) – Yeah, yeah. – Hopefully. No it’s weird too. Because I think that’s what we were talking about earlier. It’s like going back to those childhood moments where you’re with your friend and you have two giant teddy bears. Like your sister’s or something. Like we’re not doing anything today. We should do something weird with these teddy bears. And like that’s what we want the show to be like. It’s like you’re there with your best friend and just like trying to figure out something to do. And then you make something totally crazy happen. – Yeah and I think the interesting thing is that. You know, your show in the same way that GMM has a broad audience in terms of age. Kind of the peak demographic of people who watch GMM is 18 to 24. The second highest group is 25 to 34. And then it’s actually 13 to 17. The youngest kids, that’s their third. So, the interesting thing is while we’re doing really dumb stuff. You guys are doing really dumb stuff as well. (laughing) But. – Let’s say silly. I don’t even want to say dumb. – Silly. – Like it’s silly. – It’s mythical. We can use the term mythical because it’s hitting the trifecta. You know creativity, curiosity, and tom foolery. – It’s not dumb, it’s not stupid. It’s tom foolery. – To finish the point. To finish the point. Adults are watching this and I think because it appeals to people, right. Seeing grown people do silly stuff. It appeals to people because it’s not. When we kind of lock ourselves. This is where I kind of take issue with Ms. Weiner’s article. Or at least being included in it. I’m not saying that the thing about the culture and the boys will be boys is wrong. I’m saying that including us as an example of that. Where I disagree with that is the fact that people get locked into quote unquote normal jobs. You grow up and you’ve got real responsibilities. And it can become very easy to just be consumed with those responsibilities and never have any outlet for your fun. If you’ve got a job where. First of all, lots of people have jobs where they’ve got to be serious the entire day. And those people are. And I don’t want my doctor in a teddy bear suite. (laughing) You know what I’m saying. So, but that doesn’t mean that he or she is not gonna have an outlet for tom foolery in their life. And I think that your show is an escape from that. And it’s not. To Link’s point, it’s not just one thing. It’s not just tom foolery, right. If it was just stupid and that was all it was. Which there are a lot of YouTube videos that are just stupid. But it has an originality, creativity and a curiosity factor to it that I think kind of redeems. And makes you feel, as a responsible adult. I can get into this, I can laugh at it. And not feel like I’m just wasting my time. – Well, you know I think when we talked about starting Ten Feet Tall and what it was gonna look like. In addition to also saying, okay. This is a starting point. These are some ideas. Let’s agree on what this is and then you guys go and make it happen. And make it your own and it will morph over time. Even with that being said as a side note. I remember talking early on about some of the first ideas. And we talked about Jackass. About how we’re not just gonna make another version of Jackass. If you guys want to do weird things. These are some other elements that I think you guys were interested in including that we’ve already talked about. But then I actually don’t even want to throw Jackass under the bus. I didn’t watch it a whole lot and I haven’t watched any of the movies. We’ve talked about the movies because you’ve watched them. And you’re like you actually need to watch them cause there’s a level of creativity that went into a lot of the way that they did those stunts. So even something like Jackass you may say well that is just plain stupid. I mean just getting hit in the balls. I mean that gets old. – It keeps happening. – Getting hit every where else. – It happens over and over. – But even that, there’s a level of creativity that went into what they did. Again we want to do something different. I think mythicality includes some other things besides that. But I can’t even write that off. I can’t even point to Jackass and say that’s kind of base level. – Right and we’re gonna keep talking about that but first we’re gonna take a short break to show some love to our sponsors. Well, first of all. We’re wearing the merch that we want to talk about. I mean we got Ten Feet Tall T-shirts. I got on a Ten Feet Tall pocket T. You got on the Goth Dogs T-shirt from your Goth Dogs video. That was one of the earlier episodes. One of my favorites to this day. – Mikes got on a striped prison T. – [Host] We’re not selling that yet. – [Host] Not a good T. – [Host] Not selling that yet. – [Host] Matches the couch. – But you can get those T-shirts. – I got a dog shirt. – Can’t get that T-shirt but you can get the two gray T-shirts at mythical.store. You can also preorder the Book of Mythicality at BookofMythicality.com and again. This whole conversation is related to and inspired by the chapter, embracing immaturity. Where Link and I talk about the sort of the spirit of never completely growing up. Never letting yourself fully grow up and we talk about how we kind of connected. And then how we’ve used Good Mythical Morning to explore that and some of the peaks of immaturity that we’ve experienced together. BookofMythicality.com. But let’s continue this conversation. – Well, I mean the fact that we wrote about. We dedicated a whole chapter to embracing immaturity in The Book of Mythicality. I think the reason why we did that is because we wanted to tap back into the experiences we had when we were just becoming friends. And I guess, over the years. And even with GMM the way that we stay in touch with our inner child. You know and I think that’s what you guys bring to Ten Feet Tall and what we bring to GMM is the. We channel viewers into their inner child. I remember I used to feel that way. I wish I could jump head long into a bowl of cereal. – Right. – Or dangle from a crane. (laughing) You know. – It’s a lot more painful. (laughing) It’s not very comfortable, but. – When did you guys realize that you both were? You obviously had to connect as friends and then realize that you’re both willing to act like fools. It isn’t for everybody, right. Acting that way or appreciating adults acting that way isn’t for everybody. So you have to find somebody who’s willing to think that way. What was the initial. Because you were already here. Alex you were working here. – Yeah. – I remember it. – And you started as a PA right? – An intern. – As an intern, yes. – It was probably. – Oh I know. (laughing) – Do you remember? – Yeah. – Are you sure? – Yeah. Does it have anything to do with e-cigerettes? – Oh, okay. I think that’s where it really hit it’s peak. – He’s got an earlier one. – When we really know we had something there. (laughing) – We’ll come back to that one. So you’re going in early. – That was probably like three weeks into my internship. I’m fresh out of college and really nervous. Like first job in the industry. – We thought Mike was a mute. – We got to make a good impression. (laughing) – All your professors are like if you screw up the first one you’re in trouble. – You were thinking that. – This is their impression of you. – It’s hard enough to even get an interview anywhere. – The thought of you trying to not screw it up would be so funny to me now. – Well, I learned that. (laughing) But I remember there was an instance. – So you interviewed him? – Yeah. In the theater across the hall there. (laughing) – Really. – Sat him down, yeah. – That’s funny. – Remember we were loading a van for something and we were carrying a table. And you asked me if it was too heavy or something. I don’t remember exactly what I said but I know it was very inappropriate. And I don’t remember why I said it. But you laughed so hard. And I was so shocked. – It was like meeting somebody for the first time. After being around them for like three weeks. – A, he said something. And B, it was funny. – Yeah, very funny. – There were questions about Mike, right. – [Guest] Sure. – People would be like he doesn’t talk a lot. I remember Link asking him one time is he upset about something? (laughing) And then Stevie was like. – I think the question was is he upset about everything? (laughing) – And then Stevie was like no, no, no. Mike is actually really funny, ask Alex. (laughing) The application was that Mike is really funny. You just hang out with him for a while, no just go straight to Alex. (laughing) – He’ll tell you. – He’ll tell you what is funny. (laughing) – Well, what was the e-cig thing? – Eddie was going through a period where he was vaping a lot. And Mike would tell him you can vape anything. So, this is such a stupid thing. We would pick like pick up a glass and be like. Like pretend vaping a glass and I was like Mike. Please don’t vape the building. (laughing) It’s the dumbest thing. – We went to. Eddie had a house warming party or something. – Oh yeah. – We went there and there was a guy there that was super hard core into vaping. (laughing) Really into the culture about it. – Talking about his box mods out of the vape. – I went there and I did the vape bit. – [Host] Meaning you? – He pretended to vape a pencil or something. – A scooter, I think there was a Razor Scooter in the room. – So you made fun of the guy to his face? – Yeah. – And I thought that was the funniest thing I’ve ever seen in my life. – That guy didn’t like it? – He didn’t get it. That happens a lot. – I remember. – That’s the best jokes. – Oh those are my favorite. – Only your friend gets it. – I’m a selfish comedian. – Making you go up and talk to him though. Be like hey, go tell that guy that you could vape anything. – I told him I was a sponsored scooter guy too. (laughing) – That you were with Razor? – Yeah. (laughing) – Sponsored by Razor. – That party was so wild too. – I wonder if he bought a scooter after that? – He was interested. – Vape culture is, they are very, very defensive. Like when we did that whole. When we brought the surgeon general on to talk about e-cigarettes. – Yeah. – Oh man, we had some people who were just like boycotted the show because we said. We let the surgeon come on and say scientific things about vaping. – I remember a guy made a response video and he did a beat for beat. Like every 10 seconds he would interrupt their video. – [Host] Here’s the problem with that. – Okay, you’re wrong man. And he’s ripping his little vape pen. (laughing) – Really. – I’m sorry for all the vapers we lost. – Is that why the surgeon general got fired? (laughing) Because that response video. – [Guest] It really took off. – Oh, we did it. – Thank you to all the vapers who are still with us. – Keep vaping, it’s funny to me. (laughing) – I can’t honestly say keep vaping. – We’re not gonna say that. – The surgeon general was fired but the science still backs him up. – Yeah. – One of the things that I want to talk about too was the. Speaking of science, I think we got science on our side. We do a job where we get to do a lot of foolish things. And I think that has kind of caused us to perceive ourselves as younger than we actually are. We were talking about earlier today. When I watch, I mean I’m gonna be 40 in October. But when I watch the NBA. They all seem older to me. (laughing) You know what I’m saying. – James Hardin is at least 45, right? No doubt about it. (laughing) – And I feel like they’re always. Like when do you start. – They’re also more talented than you in basketball. – Vince Carter is older than me but he may be like the only one, right. Now, at what point do you begin to feel older than NBA basketball players? Or just professional athletes in general. – I think the question is does the average 39 year old feel that way when they watch NBA? – I don’t know. – If they’re not in here, we can only ask ourselves. (laughing) I will yeah, I feel like they’re older than me. And I’ve seen them in person, man. – And they’re also athletes and you’ve been watching that since you were a kid. – Right. – There’s other things but then like sometimes you’ll just. You’ll meet somebody. You’ll meet somebody and then you’ll find out. That dudes 39. (laughing) That dude is the same age, that dude is younger than me. – I will meet people, it happens a lot. – I’m not talking about looking old. I’m talking about looking old. – No, it’s the total package, yeah. – Acting old. – Like I will meet parents of friends of my kids. – That’s one way to put it. – And, what? (laughing) Parents of friends, how else? – That’s one way. – Not friends, definitely not friends. – My kids friends parents is another way to put it. (laughing) And I just find myself thinking. Do they think I’m a kid too? (laughing) Like I literally think that. I’m wearing a hat. – I’m not a kid. – Like when their taking out juice boxes and they give you one. (laughing) – It’s like would you like a sliced orange? I’m most of a dad. I’m here to support the kids in their sports or whatever. Cause I’m wearing a hat or like a. I’m wearing a freakin T-shirt with a dog on it. And then I’m wearing a trendy hat. – And at some point. – I mean not that trendy Mike. – That’s always been weird to me. – [Host] That’s how I know when I wear hats. – No when, sure, sure. – [Host] When I walk through the office, it is a little weird. – I’ve never asked my dad but I’ve always wondered did he dress like this forever or did it happen at some point? – It happened at some point. – Cause that’s the question, when do you need to make the transition? – He got a real job. We never got real jobs. I mean it’s pretty obvious. – We dressed, remember how we dressed when we were engineers. – We had real engineers. – Khakis with polo shirts tucked in. – We dressed like 55 year old guys. – I dress like an 18 year old most of the time. And people have commented on that. – You were talking about switching up your wardrobe this summer after your experience on Vices. And you were like. I remember you talking to me and I was like. I had some chambray paints or something like that. And you were like, I had some chambray paints on that shoot and I’m thinking about changing everything up. – Yeah but for him that would be moving from being a youngster to being a hobo. (laughing) He’s skipping tracks. – I would get older though. – He wouldn’t get older, he would just get. – More comfortable. That’s a stepping stone to. – Or like a guru. Like all of a sudden Rhett shows up at work and he’s like why are you dressed like a guru? – But the funny thing is. – But not old. – It only works with the man bun and I don’t have that. (laughing) And I’m not gonna have that in real life and so it doesn’t really complete the look. – But a job, but a normal job. You start to assimilate. To do certain jobs, to be an engineer. When I had to walk out on the floor of the factory at IBM and tell them the conveyor belt goes here. Or you’re fired sir because a robot is replacing you. When I would do things like that and I would. My shirt better be tucked in if you want people to move that conveyor belt. – But it can’t be all about dress, right. It’s too superficial. – And my hairstyle. – Okay, hairstyle is part of it. – But it’s more of a mentality. – I’m not saying. I’m not saying anything about external stuff because I feel like this is more like internal age perception. I think it’s ultimately what we’re saying. We have the luxury in the town that we live in and the industry that we’re in. Specifically what our jobs are in the industry. We can kind of just never grow up externally. There will be this time, sooner for us than you guys. In which you sort of why is that 50 year old guy dressed like a child? (laughing) – Because he’s still a YouTuber. – You have to find a way to make transition. And it will maybe be suddenly very awkward. – But there were people back in Harnett County growing up. I think Coach Brandell, my soccer coach. He never, he grew up but he never grew old. Like Peter Pan. He would wear a soccer jersey and soccer pants and no underwear. And if the light. – Hold on, that has nothing to do with age. – If the light hit his soccer pants just right you could tell he had no underwear on. It’s like, that’s not something that a responsible adult does. When you’re parading up and down like a sideline. – Nobody really ever goes commando. I mean going commando. When you’re born you are but soon after wear a diaper and then you transition to underwear. I think that it actually signifies really old. (laughing) But he was young at heart. – I’m scared. – He was young at heart. – And okay and science backs this up. This is a good way to live. This is a good way to think about yourself. Two researchers at University College in London looked at the responses of about 6,500 men and woman who answered the question. How old do you feel you are? The respondents were aged 52 and older with an average age of 65. Their answers, about 70% felt three or more years younger than their actual age. 25% felt close to their actual age and 5% felt more than one year older than their actual age. Then eight years after the study. Participants answered the age question. Oh, eight years after the study when they answered the question. Researchers went back and determined who was still alive. 75% of those who felt older than their age were still alive. 82% of those who felt their actual age were still alive. And 86% of those who felt younger than their actual age were still alive. So a 11% increase in longevity. Well not longevity but you know. People still being alive after eight years just because of the perception of their age. Then it goes into talking about what is that. If you think that you’re younger you tend to think I got more of my life ahead of me. You make better choices about your diet or whatever. But I’m sure there’s lots of connections that they’ll continue to discover. But there’s an argument to be made that when you grow up and start seeing yourself as your actual age. You actually increase your risk of dying early or on time. And you may be able to cheat death a little bit if you think that you’re younger than you are. – Well, let’s each get in our minds how old we actually feel like we are. And don’t say it out loud. Cause I don’t want, I don’t want your answer to sway me. Cause you know if you say an answer I’ll just copy it. So I got, how old do we feel? – Okay. – Got it. – I got an answer. – Okay, I got my answer. – You can’t change your answer. – Yeah, well I’ll go first. – Well, let’s start from youngest to oldest. – Okay. – So Mike. – How old are you again? – I’m 24. (laughing) About to be 25. I feel 19. (laughing) – [Host] Why? – I feel like, I don’t feel any different than the year I graduate high school. I know I am and I’ve done things to show that it hasn’t hindered me, I hope. (laughing) But I don’t feel like I think any differently. – [Host] From 19. – [Host] You don’t think any differently? – I know I do but I don’t feel like that. – You know you’re brain, of all of us. You’re the only one who’s brain is actually still developing. – Still going. – Still going. (laughing) – It stopped a while ago. – Your frontal cortex is still developing and will until the average age of 26. – [Guest] I got to be careful. – So you actually don’t become as cognitively capable as you will be until you’re 26. And then you peak and then it basically starts going downhill. – Which I why we haven’t given up on you. – I just feel like Mike’s might not be. I don’t want to. I don’t mean to undercut what you’re saying. – [Host] He’s been vaping too much. – But yeah, he’s been. – What does that mean? (laughing) – Yeah, you stopped when you baked that scooter. (laughing) – That’s very possible. – The cortex is like it’s a wrap. (laughing) – Uh uh, I’m out. – Okay, how old do I feel? Well, I’m old now. I don’t know, I feel. – [Rhett] You’re 28, right? – 28, I feel 23. – Not bad. – [Host] Okay, four years younger. – That’s because when you tell me it’s been five years since I’ve been in college. I just think there’s no way. I feel exactly the same as I did when I was a senior in college. I don’t know, I just feel like nothing has changed since that time. But I hope to God somethings have. Cause I, a 23 year old Alex was a mess. But still, I feel like mentally I’m pretty much the same. But that’s a big. Five years seems like a long time now that I say that out loud. – Yeah but you having changed and been through a lot in those years. I mean that doesn’t necessarily mean you don’t. You can’t still feel like that same person. I don’t know, you’re gonna be surprised but I’m going last though. So I think you’re gonna be surprised at my number. – Oh, I believe in my heart of hearts that I’m 26 years old. (laughing) – Yes, yes. – 26. – The 26 is it for me. Yeah, I’m younger than the real you in my mind. But not younger than the you in your mind. So you’re still younger than me on both accounts. If we compare apples to apples. – This is actually kind of shocking. Because I’m gonna give you my number and then I’m gonna give you the theory for why you feel how old you are and I feel how old I am and it’s the same reason. So I am 39 will be 40 in October. I feel 27. – [Everyone] Ohhhh. – That’s right, it’s proportionally correct. – No. – Yes, you’re a year older than me. – No, cause we’re both 39 right now. So in this moment. – But you’re about to be. You’re practically 40, who are we kidding. – But that’s not the reason. It’s not relative. It is the age that we were when we had our first child. – Yeah. – You were 26 when Lilly was born and I was 27 when Locke was born. And that was. – It was a milestone. – That was the last and listen. I didn’t come up with that. – That’s a good theory. – I came up with that irrespective, I was like. How old do I feel? I was like 27, I feel like my life. Well my life had changed drastically and being the father of two kids or three kids is different than one kid. And being the father of a teenager is different than being the father of a newborn. – But being a father. – But being a father is like the last great milestone. – That we’ve experienced. – And it’s also, after that magic 26 year old age where you’re fully cognitively developed. (laughing) And it’s like. – You’ll get there man. – I got to that point and it’s like okay. I’m married, I got kids, I’m a homeowner. I got a job, there was also. We hadn’t started Mythical Entertainment at that point. But we had all the trappings, right. The things that kind of define you and your life stage. And at that point you just kind of feel like. I haven’t really gotten any older since then. – I also feel like, I’m kind of cheating life that I have so many kids. That are as old as they are. Because out here in LA you start to feel like people who have kids my age are a lot older. So it’s easier to believe that. – Oh yeah, out here. – Hold on, wouldn’t that make me feel older? – No, it makes you feel younger. – Yeah, that’s the point I was trying to make. – Kids, friends, parents. – Their older than me. – And they’re all 10 years older. Cause if you’ve got a 13 year old out here. When people are like a 13 year old is like what. (laughing) You’ve got a 13, you guys. Well, when did you have him? Thirteen years ago. (laughing) – Yeah, you figure that out. But the theory of applies to you guys. – [Guest] Yeah I was just gonna say. – Cause what you were saying about the college thing. – That’s the last major milestone I’ve had in my life, honestly. – Well leaving, maybe graduating from college was the milestone. – Yeah, that’s what I mean at 23. – Once you cross that threshold. – Yeah, and then I mean. The next chunk is like post college and then I started working here. Which has actually been a while. Three and a half years. – But Mike you feel like in your mind. – I know what you’re getting at. I think there’s a reason for that. – Oh yeah, I probably know yours too. The reason why. – Cause when I graduated high school I immediately within a month moved to Nashville. And then a year after that I moved to Chicago. – [Host] You were going to be a country music singer and we didn’t know about that? (laughing) – I was gonna be a audio engineer. Which is what I originally wanted to do. That’s a whole other story. (laughing) – I bet that’s a sexy story. (laughing) – So I lived in Nashville. I lived in Nashville for a year. Then I moved to Chicago a year after that for three years. Then I moved to LA right after that. So I feel like I’ve just been going since I graduated high school. Nothing has been. – Your college experience is very correct. – 18 years of stability. – So you’ve been itinerant. Itinerant, how do you say that? – Couldn’t tell you. – Iditarod. – Yeah, Iditarod. I did the Iditarod across America. – So immature of me, sorry. (laughing) – Wow, we’ve really. – We just discovered something. – That’s scary. – Yeah I can divide my life in the end of college and then post college. And that’s how I feel right now. I’m developing as a person kind of. Through college trying to figure things out. And then after that you’re like real world. – But when does it change? – What is the next milestone? – We’re talking about identity in terms of like when you meet someone at a party. And the first thing you ask someone is what’s your name. But besides the name it’s like what do you do? Or you know, do you have a partner? Do you have kids? That type of stuff. You know, so it’s like these very simplistic over simplified ways to think about. To associate who am I? Am I a dad? And once you’re a dad there’s no going back from that. No recovering from that one. (laughing) And then it’s associated with a certain, this is what I do. I think a lot about, in terms of being a dad. I think about being young. Not just for myself now but for my kids. Like I like to, it’s a great way to connect and bond with the kids. When I’m at the dinner table and Lincoln still got that. What’s it called? Cast. – It’s called a cast. – He’s got a cast on his arm and people are signing it now. And I’m like oh, it’s like. These are people he’s meeting in school now. And I’m like who’s Gina? (laughing) – Who is Gina? – And I was like don’t write a VA in front of that. (laughing) And that’s my joke at the dinner table. – Virginia Gina. (laughing) Gina from Virginia. – Virginia. – Oh God. – That’s a stupid joke. That’s not a joke a dad should make. – Well a good dad. – Unless you’re a really good dad. – A good dad will make that joke. – I could get on your level man. – This is funny cause. So, Locke was getting ready to go to school. First day of real school, you know. And we were talking about what he was going to wear and he had sweat pants. – [Guest] Oh come on now. First day of school. – And then I’m like you’re gonna wear sweat pants? They were these. But they’re not. They were cool sweat pants and they say like. – Drop crotch. – Drop crotch joggers. – They weren’t even drop crotch but they were like. He kind of dresses like at any moment a basketball could break out. – You got to be ready. – And he’s really into basketball but he also was like. Dad, 70% of the kids will be wearing sweat pants. Cause I was like why don’t you just wear skinny jeans and a button up? – Ohh yeah, very cool. – And he was like cause I’m not of your generation. – [Everyone] Ohhhhh! (laughing) – Wait how old am I. I was thinking yeah, good call right there. (laughing) – I’m literally wearing skinny jeans. – I’m not saying that there aren’t kids at his school who wear skinny jeans and a button up. But he’s basically it was the first time where I was like. It that an older guy thing now? Kids like not millennials but whatever the teenagers are now, whatever that generation is. They’re thinking differently about that and they’ve gotten more casual in their clothing. At least in California. I was like, oh. Cause I’d kind of like to take pride in the fact that I know whatever music they want to listen to. We can enjoy it together. It’s not like I want you to listen to Elvis son. I connected with my parents music but it was very much. Okay, I’m gonna listen to Elvis, I’m gonna listen to Chuck Berry. I’m gonna listen to the Four Seasons. Because they listed to those records and they had them. But I was connecting with kind of a throw back but they weren’t listening to. In the 80’s I was listening to Michael Jackson and Weird Al. (laughing) I was listening to Michael Jackson singing a song and then Weird Al sing it again. But they didn’t know or care about any of that. – I’m doing the same thing. I’m very into music so I’m like. I’m trying to teach Lincoln how to appreciate Kendrick Lamar. And I’m like listen, there’s some. And help him process past foul language. And say okay, there’s. – What’s he really talking about? – What’s he really talking about here? So we started to break this down and then one morning as I was trying to connect with him. I was playing Outcast. So this was like in 1996 or maybe 95 song. And Lincoln walks in I’m like. Lincoln, there will be no Kendrick Lamar if it wasn’t for Outcast. So you sit down and listen to this. And I realized as hip as I thought I was. This is now the new old man thing to say. Me talking about there’s this group called Outcast. And there wouldn’t be Kendrick Lamar without Outcast. – I got one that’s even more embarrassing than that. We were driving along and I was like I want you kids to listen to what I thought was the best music when I was your age. And I played Young MC. – Ohhhh. – Do you guys even know Young MC? – No. (laughing) – Bust a Move, you don’t know that song? – Oh yeah. – Bust a Move, right. – So I was like we’re gonna listen to the whole album. – The whole album? – And we couldn’t. – Were you on a road trip? – Yeah, we were. It’s so bad. Outcast in contrast holds up. – Oh well yeah. – But Young MC does not hold up at all. It’s so stupid. – Very segmented like oh you talking down on the street. – Yeah, exactly. It’s not quite like Parents Just Don’t Understand. I mean it’s kind of the same era but anyway. And that was the point, I was like this. – Bubble Gum rap. – This is getting my kids to listen to something and I kind of admitted in the middle of it. This isn’t good is it? This is kind of embarrassing. (laughing) – Yeah, that’s worse. I mean Outcast is a legitimate forefather to Kendrick Lamar. And my kids. – Young MC isn’t helping anybody. – It’s a valuable part of their education. But I just realized how long it’s been since that’s. We’re talking 20 years, that’s crazy. – I had a moment like that when I was in New York. Just on that trip. I was leaving, I had just left the hotel or something. And I remember seeing a pack of New York teenagers. (laughing) And I was like dang, these kids are so much cooler. You know, I think I’m pretty hip. You know, I know what’s going on with the kids these days. But I don’t understand, these kids were so much cooler than I could ever be. They grow up in New York. They’re all dressed cooler than me. They had boom boxes like people did in the 80’s and 90’s and stuff like that. But they were like cool new Bluetooth boom boxes walking down the street. It’s like dang these kids are so cool man. And also old and a little scared. They could beat me up at any time if they wanted to. It was kind of intense and weird. – There was a physical element. – Yeah, yeah. – Mike, have you ever felt old yet? Do you ever not feel 19? – Never no. I don’t know, have I felt old. – [Guest] Are you still the youngest person at Mythical Entertainment? – Chase is younger than you. – Chase is, I think we’re the same age. – Oh really. – Do I feel old ever? No, not yet. – But when it happens just ignore it like we do. (laughing) If you want to live for ever. – And I think the point is it’s also. It’s okay right. There’s nothing again, we’re making the distinction between someone who never grows up and never takes responsibilities for their life. And somebody who does take responsibility for their life but then doesn’t completely grow up and is willing to do childish things. It’s like I kind of feel like there’s something inside you that dies a little bit. And possibly yourself later dies when you just say. Alright, I’m putting all that aside and not ever gonna be silly. I’m not ever gonna imagine or do the things. The unreserved things that I would have done as a child. And again, some people are lucky and they get to do it for their job. We get to just act like fools and if you were to take and do the stuff that we do on our shows at your house. Or at your school you’d be expelled. (laughing) – Box boxing is no good. – One of the cool things that I have seen a lot of times is. I’ll see a fan video of a father and a son doing their own will it. Or doing something that we did on the show. – We had a kid who spent 24 hours in a box after we did our photo booth thing. And his mom sent us updates like here he goes. He’s about to start 24 hours in this cardboard box. – [Host] Where was the box? – Just in his living room. (laughing) He wasn’t really roughing it like we were. But still it was dope, it was cool. – Well even his mom just being a part of that. Her participating in that tom foolery, you know. – Did he do it? – He did, yeah we got a video of him coming out at like hour 24. He was stoked. Yeah it was fun, it was cool – [Host] Of course you guys didn’t actually do it? – It was all for the camera. – Actually did. (laughing) – Every time I showed up you were in there. – That’s why you were laughing so hard that morning because you couldn’t believe that we were still there. – You know it’s just coming up with something that’s ridiculous but then saying. Who knows what we’re gonna learn? Or how we’re gonna grow as people? Our brains, I mean. The science of it, you start to make all these. You go out on so may limbs. You’re brain grows man, it connects. – Oh you think the brain is growing and connecting? – It grows and connects man. It keeps you alive when you say, you know what. I’m gonna, I’m gonna jump in head first baby. Metaphorically speaking. Check the depth. – This is anecdotal but you know their just people who are like. I’m old. I can’t do that anymore. – Well that was something I was gonna ask actually is like. People, one of the few negatives notes that we always ever get is oh this is so mature or something like that. No how you guys kind of react to that or what you think about that. When people come at you there’s not much bad you can say about the shows I think in my opinion. But the only negative notes that’s we’ve gotten is oh that’s so dumb or that’s so immature. But I don’t know that’s kind of. It’s a little upsetting that people are so quick to discredit for that reason. It’s like yeah, it’s dumb but it took forever to come up with this. It’s like you didn’t come up with this. (laughing) It was a cool thing to do. – I just think that if somebody says that about one of your videos. They’re just not getting the joke. – Yeah, exactly. – It’s like do you really think that the main motivation here is to really figure out how to get inside of a bear. (laughing) That’s almost part of the fun that we’re legitimately asking the question. But it’s really for that moment that we can be two bears fighting each other. And there’s just a. It’s just like we talk about in the book. When we were inside of that cereal bowl and I actually saw on Facebook recently. They reposted it. Somebody had curated to five top moments of Link freaking out or whatever. And one of them is in this cereal bowl and there was this pure. I mean I was there too. Kind of a bigger moment for you than it was for me. – We were there as well. – Flashback. – But there’s this pure unadulterated joy and euphoria of just being able to do something like that. Without regard to anybody’s perception of it. And people are gonna be like this is dumb. I don’t get it, this is immature. Or this is a waste of cereal. (laughing) We get that a lot too. – We donated it. It was donated. – We gave it to horses. – It’s that moment. I mean it’s that moment. I remember the first time I successfully rode a bike. My Aunt Teasy was gonna teach me how to ride a bike and she did that thing where she was holding on to the back and running with me. And we were going around the house. And then one time I came around the house and when I came around the house I saw her. And I knew she couldn’t be behind me anymore. And I was like, I felt like I was flying. I felt like I was flying. And then I fell. (laughing) But before I fell, that moment was something that I felt when I came up out of that cereal. And I know you guys feel it. That’s the magic that you capture. It’s not just okay, they actually did it. But they experienced it. You experience life man. You grab it by the balls. You embrace immaturity. 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