(music) – Welcome to Ear Biscuits, I’m Link. – And I’m Rhett. This week at the round table of dim lighting, we are doing something totally new for us. – Experimental. – We’re going down the rabbit hole. – Mmm hmm. – And what I mean by that is. We asked you guys a question on Facebook and Twitter and we said. – It’s not a hole on a rabbit. – No. – It’s a rabbit that a hole goes into. – [Rhett] Right. – Well it’s not that either. – Yeah, it’s a conversation that starts from something and turns into whatever it might turn into with no agenda. – And then turns into something else and then turns into something else. – That is the rabbit hole. – Oh my goodness. – Now we’re gonna go down that rabbit hole and let me, so we asked you the question. “What are you thinking right now?” And then Cody and Jacob actually collected. – Well they put one in this envelope. – They collected one answer and we don’t know what it is. And it’s in this envelope and so we’re just read what one of you was thinking. And that’s gonna be the thing that starts us down the rabbit hole. That’s what the meat of this Ear Biscuit is gonna be. Just an experimental format, just to try something. – Yeah, I’ll talk more about what I think about it and why I’m excited about it. – But we’re not gonna start there. – When we’re on the edge of the hole. – Yeah, wait til we’re on the precipice of the hole, we got one foot in the hole. – I can see the hole from here, we gotta walk up to it and the way I wanna walk up to it is just to give you an update and also to give you an update. Today is one of those rare days, right. Where we don’t see each other until right now. – Yeah, we need more of those. (laughing) – You read my mind. You see, you can’t take that as if I had wanna not be with you either. No, I miss you a lot today, Rhett. I’m very curious what happened when we were apart. – I thought about you. – We did a divide and conquer day of work, so. – I went to the beach, man. (laughing) Can’t you see my tan. No, I did work. – No, okay good. – I’ll tell you what I did. – That is kind of what I’m ask is like. Prove that you were working at hard at me. – Oh I’ll show you. – Without me there. – Oh I’ll show you. – Yeah so we, we got some catching up to do. We can’t go a day without catching up on that. – You want me to tell you what I did? – Well in general we split up for me to go to Buddy System Post. And for you, I presume to lay in more of the details associated with our live show. – While laying out. At the beach. – The tour of Mythicality. – Right, I wasn’t laying out at the beach. I was here at the office. We’ve got a pretty good idea of what we’re gonna do on the tour of Mythicality. I’m just filling out some of those details and writing some different suggestions that we can explore together and land on the specific creative. But I’m excited about it. It’s gonna be a good show. – I saw your guitar by your desk and it’s usually near the GMM desk. Not your office desk. So does that mean you were working up the tune that we discussed? – I may or may not have come up with a really great way to extend a song that is an old song. That’s very fitting for that night that we’re gonna sing. For a song that we’re gonna sing unless things change. – Okay yeah. – And it’s updated. – Nice. – Most of the update is on you though. I made the update but I gave you the responsibility for the update. – Right. – And you’ll understand what this means later. – Okay, you don’t want to go ahead and tell me? Well I was let’s see. Today I watched the final episode of season two of Buddy System for the first time. So that means I’ve seen the whole thing now. As of today. You have not. – Nope, I’ve only seen one through seven. – Yeah so episode eight I watched and boy. I’m just like. – Did you cry? – Uhhh, I was in a critical giving feedback mode. You know how it is. The first time you see it. It doesn’t wash over you like you’re an audience member because you’re already thinking too critically about. Okay, this is not what I expected. This is what we can tweak. This is how we can make this better or reedit it to make it deliver in the way that we want it. So, I will say yes. There was a lot of emotion involved. A lot of that comedic emotion. Which is always good that it was funny. But oh yeah, I think it’s gonna work. It’s not quite there yet but I’m really excited. But the first thing and I say this after the first time I watch every single episode. Is what have we done? (laughing) This is so nuts. I mean, we’ve said this throughout the whole process. But it was weird because now that I’ve seen it all. It’s like okay. I do feel like it’s getting close to being over. But it actually ain’t. – There’s a lot of steps. – Then I had to go back to episode one because that’s in the final stages of putting it all together. Sitting in like this theater and finalizing the sound mix. This is tedious work. You would hate it. – That’s why I don’t do it. – That’s why you’re not there and I’m there because I relish the details. – Right. – So I have to keep perspective and make sure that I’m giving notes on the right things and not taking too long. I mean it’s so tedious man. We listen to the whole mix. And the whole point is to get every little sound the right level and emphasize the right things and making sure you don’t loose comedy. We listen to the whole thing and we started giving notes and we realized that the background track was muted the whole time. And we didn’t fully realize it. – What do you mean? – They add room. – Room tone. – Room tone and ambience. Like if you’re outside you add like. Oh we’re in a park so there’s park noises and stuff like that. And it adds a level of scrutiny to everything else, that’s a little unfair. – So if it doesn’t seem right without room tone. That seems like the way to do it and then to add the room tone in after that. – Except then you got to watch it all again. And so, and watching it again is not just 22 to 30 minutes. It could be an hour of watching again. Because, I don’t know. There are frustrating moments. But it’s a lot of work. I mean once you get in there. But we shouldn’t both be doing it. – Well of course not. – And I do enjoy it. Don’t get me wrong. – What I enjoy is what I did today in terms of Buddy System is I enjoy looking at the cut. Putting down time code and making all my notes and sending it in email. Knowing that you are going to be the one that. If I’m like, we really need another take of this. I don’t want to be the one watching the five takes of that. I want you to be the one watching the five takes of that. But I know when we need a new take but I don’t want to be the one finding it. – And I got your email and I immediately counted. I was like one, two, three, four. And I counted all the notes he had. – Quite a few notes on this episode. – My heart kind of sunk. But I feel like if I would have sent you that email you would have like hit trash. And be like oh I got this. (laughing) And none of this really matters. At a certain point you want to talk yourself into that. Then it’s like. – I did, episode six. I think the reason I gave so many notes is because. I like all the episodes. I just feel sorry for you guys who don’t have YouTube Red. I know some of you are in places that you just can’t get it. Can’t even buy the shows individually. And then some of you are just in a situation where you’re just not gonna pay for it. I wish it was something that every mythical beast could see. Season one and especially season two. – It’s becoming more and more accessible. I think that problem is gonna diminish. – But episode six. – You’re excited about that one. – It’s the most different and so I just kind of. I just need to give every thought I’m having. Some of the times I’m like, I have a thought about this but it doesn’t really matter. And somebody else is gonna catch this or it’s not worth talking about. But is was like I’m gonna dig into this one. So I probably gave you about five more notes than normal. – It’s fine, I like the notes. I mean they all can’t be addressed perfectly. – Did you address all of them? – Yes. To the best of my ability, yeah. I did, of course I have a lot of notes myself. So it all comes together. So, I’m very excited about that. I feel like I was shot out of a cannon into this space. But I think the thing that really set my day off right if I’m gonna go back and give you a full update is. First thing I did was I went to the dentist. – Mmm, that’s not a good day. – It was just a routine cleaning. It had been six months since my last cleaning. They wanted me to come in six months later. – Well that’s typical. – Oh it is? – Yeah, that means there’s something. – I used to go every year. – Every six months is the preferred schedule for cleaning. – Well that explains why it hurt so much six months ago when it had been a couple of years. – Right. – This time was so easy. And I’m just getting praise from everybody. Like your teeth are good. – Oh really. – Even the wisdom teeth, I don’t think we have to pull them. Now if you want to address the crowding I can give you an orthodontical consult. – That dentist, he’s a complimenter though. I go to the same dentist. He gave me so much praise about my teeth and I was like, dude. You don’t, I mean. I haven’t been there for a couple of years either. – Don’t deflate my praise. – You just said everybody was singing praises of your teeth. I’m just saying that I’ve been to that dentist one time and I noted, I made a mental note. He’s really telling me lots of things about my teeth that I know can’t be true. Cause no one has ever said them before. – Everything he said about my teeth I believe could be true. – Oh you’re doing a real good job, wow. – Kind of hurting my. – Did he say things like that? You’re doing a great job. Looking really good. – Thank you Rhett. I know longer feel like I’ve been shot out of a cannon. I feel like I’ve crawled out of a just a pipe. Which I thought was a cannon but turns out it was just a drainage pipe. – Well the funny thing is is I already knew that you went to the dentist because when I got in my car today. And I plugged my phone in and my what do you call it? Apple car, what is the? – Apple Play? – Apple Play car play. Apple car play. – I don’t have it so. – So I plugged my phone into my car and then the Apple Car Play interface comes up along with any places that I need to be. And apparently the first place I was supposed to be was Link’s dentist appointment. (laughing) – Yeah, I put it on your calendar. I was hoping, I was looking for you. What happened? – So when I woke up and got in my car. I was like 12 minutes from your dentist appointment. Traffic was light, I could have made it in time. (laughing) But I didn’t, I didn’t follow the computers. I actually, I navigated to work. – Well, hold on. Did you just say that when you woke up you were 12 minutes away from my dentist appointment? – No, I’m saying when I got in my car. – Oh okay. – So the first time I really registered anything on my phone was when I got into the car and that was when I found out what time your dentist appointment was. Where it was. How long I had to get to it. – It’s on my personal calendar but there’s some weird alert shared calendar alert thing that’s happening. – I don’t know how I had your calendar on my calendar. I don’t add anything to my calendar because I don’t use. I don’t properly use calendar functions. – That’s like on Monday I was like. Oh yeah, I went and got a massage yesterday. – Oh I get your massage appointments all the time. – I’m like that’s weird. You know, your not supposed to know when I get my massage. – Every time I get one of your massage updates, I’m like. I should schedule a massage. But that would require scheduling. – You could just show up five minutes before me and say you’re me. You could have gotten your teeth cleaned this morning if you were five minutes early. – That’s true. – If you were out of bed. – In know everywhere you’re gonna be. When you’re gonna be there. – Just show up a little earlier and just get in the chair. (laughing) The thing I felt besides really boosted. – What did they give you at the dentist? – A cleaning. – Oh they didn’t give you any drugs? – I sat in the car and I thought to myself. This is the cleanest my teeth will ever be in my life. – Mmm hmmm. The way it feels when you put the tongue. – My teeth. – On the back of the teeth. – Will never be as clean as they are right now. And I just sat in that moment for a second. My teeth will never be as clean as they are right now. – And what? So I’m gonna do something with them? I’m gonna get them dirty? I’m gonna eat a biscuit, I don’t know. How do you apply that? You’re just being in the moment? – I was just trying to be. – Like a zen thing? – Yeah like a zen thing, like perspective. Like you know what, my moment right now is the cleanest my teeth will ever be. And I’m gonna acknowledge that. – I don’t think the Buddha ever commented on teeth hygiene. I don’t think the Buddha ever said anything about that. – Because you know right now. Can you say that right now? – No, my teeth have been cleaner, definitely. Like way cleaner. – My teeth have been cleaner. – This morning. – I’ve eaten a couple of meals. It was recent, I can remember it. But it’s not right now. – [Rhett] I would say. – Not this moment. – But your teeth were cleaner at one point. Like when they were first formed. – My teeth will never be as clean. – As they are right now. – Again, as they are. – [Rhett] Yean, that’s true. That’s still true. – No, it’s not longer true. The moment has passed. – Yeah, yeah it was a moment. And you savored it. – It was a moment that I savored, alone. – It sounds like it was a great time. (laughing) I’m glad you had it to yourself. – And I’m trying to do that. Because my water dispenser on the front of my fridge is fixed. Cause that used to be my moment. You know I talked about it on here. I’d push the water. I’d push the cup and then the water wouldn’t come out and there’d be a delay. And that was my moment to take stock of life. – Okay and how long is that moment again? – Just a few seconds. – That’s not enough. – But now it’s instantaneous and I’m not even grateful about it. That’s my point. Now that the water works perfectly. I got to find something else. – I could say that you might want to share that moment with somebody though. Because I feel like if you left the dentist office. Especially a dentist that has complimented you so much. Even though it’s just he does it with everybody. If you realize that when you’re in the car. Just say you know what? Go back into the dentist office. – Just bust back in? – Open the door and say you guys. Attention! – Hey everybody! – My teeth will never be as clean as they are right. What does it the saying? – I think that’s it, yeah. – But they will be though. They’ll be clean again. – My teeth have never been as clean. No that’s not true. – No it doesn’t make sense. – What did I say? – My teeth are as clean right now as they will be for a couple of weeks. (laughing) Doesn’t have quite the impact. – That’s not what I said. I said my teeth are as clean right now as they ever will be. That’s not what I said. (laughing) See it’s gone, I can’t even say it right. – Right. – When the moment passes it’s gone. Six months from now, cause I’ve already made my other appointment. You’ll get an alert. I’m gonna bust in after I exit and I’m gonna say. Guys, and I’ll say whatever. I will listen back to the beginning of this podcast so I’ll know what to say. – The problem is if you go in and you say that to the dentist. He’s gonna make it his slogan. So then you’ll go back and he’ll have it printed on the window. It’ll be your teeth will never be as clean as they’re about to be. (laughing) And then he’s gonna put that on the back of the phone book. – That’s a long bumper sticker. But a good one. – [Altogether] Your teeth will never be as clean as they’re about to be. – Again. – That throws it off. That makes it too long. One word too long. – I think the reason why we like it is because it’s a paradox. Your teeth will never be as clean as they’re about to be. Well, no they’re about to be that clean. – Yeah. – So yes they will be that clean. – And then when you come in. – Right. – Oh, no, no this is it. – Your teeth will never be as clean as they’re about to be. – And then on the inside. On the inside of the dentist office. On the exit door from the office. That’s where it says, your teeth will never be as clean – [Altogether] As they are right now. – That’s what I said. – Until you come back, please make an appointment. (laughing) – Unless you come back six. – Unless you come back in six months. Yeah, I think we should have just been dentists. – I wonder if this is all wrong though. – It’s definitely wrong. (laughing) – If I go to the dentist again. If I show up there tomorrow morning. And I say, and they’re like. Mr. Neil? – We cleaned your teeth yesterday. – Why are you back? – And they were great. – They were the cleanest they’ve ever. They were as clean as they’ll ever be. And we’re like well, maybe not. So, I’m like I’m back. Clean them again. – They’d be cleaner than they were today. – Will they be cleaner today than they were? Yes, I think they will be. – They definitely would be. – This whole thing has been a sham. – Exactly. – My moment. – That’s what I was trying to say a couple of minutes ago but I couldn’t quite wrap my mind around it. – Again, you’ve ruined a second moment for me. – I’m sorry man. Just don’t tell me about your dentist appointment. – Dribbling out of the drainage pipe of life thanks to you. – I’m gonna give you a second to recover. While I let the people know about the products that we have before us on this table. We’ve got the Ear Biscuits jar and we’ve got the boiled for safety mug. Yes we are both drinking out of two different containers. No, I’m not actually drinking out of the boiled for safety. – You can drink something to stain your teeth. – Any beverage that you want in there. It’s totally up to you. We don’t sell beverages, we just sell the containers for the beverages. At mythical.store. – This has got a good, listen to that. (clinking) – Its a, what do you call that? Enamel? Metal? – I call that a tingy sound. (clinking) – Tin, I would call that tin. But it’s not. It’s nice whatever it is. – Support entertainment. Mythical.store and this thing is like a hard batter of biscuit. – Okay. Are you ready to go down the rabbit hole? – Here’s the envelope. I’m gonna turn it over so we can see the part that we would rip open. I noticed you used a piece of scotch tape. You didn’t lick it. – You didn’t use your own spit. – I appreciate that guys. There’s a risk associated with this. I’m a little nervous but to me this represents. I mean, just what we like which is something new. That you go out on a creative limb and you might fall and rack your nads. The tree limb itself may break and then you may rack your nads on something else. – I thought you were gonna say this is something that we like, talking. And that was gonna be it. Cause that would also be true. – No the principle of developing a device which then makes us be creative in a new way. It’s like what’s gonna happen? Is this gonna fail? I’m a little concerned about that. – Oh, I’m not concerned. Dude, we just talked about your dentist appointment for 20 minutes. And came up with two slogans for dentist that would both be great. I’m not nervous at all. – He’s opening the envelope listeners. And he’s pulling it out. Alright, you’re going to read it and then we’re just gonna, we’re gonna go. I shouldn’t build it up so much. – We asked you what are you thinking about right now? Frank Nieves said, “I’m thinking about the first guy who ever shaved. And how many times did he shave before the second guy caved? (laughing) – Now here. Now you guys picked this. What you probably didn’t know. (laughing) – And this is what makes it great. – Was this is a lyric. These are our words. We wrote this. – This is from the Rhett and Link archive guys. This is from a song called I Am a Thoughtful Guy. And I think this was your line in a song. Cause I don’t remember rapping it. – I’m thinking about the first guy who ever shaved. And how many times did he shave before the. – [Altogether] Second guy caved. – I’m pretty sure that was your line. – Really? We both think that it was the other guys line. Which, that’s something to explore. – We haven’t watched this in so long. Now you guys didn’t know that. You just thought that Frank C. Nieves came up with like a really good thing that he was thinking right then. That’s what you felt. All he thinks is Rhett and Link lyrics from back in the day. See you guys don’t know the archives. – Well, there’s too much to know. That’s too much to know. – We don’t want you to know it. We don’t even know who sang the lyric. (music) ♫ I think about the first guy who ever shaved. ♫ And how many times did he shave ♫ before the second guy caved? ♫ Think about if a friend were choking on ice. ♫ Just be patient would be the best advice. – Here’s what I’ll say though. Let’s go with this. – That’s good, yeah let’s go with it. Because we wrote it as a thoughtful thing to think. – But we didn’t explore it. We actually didn’t think about it. That’s the ironic thing about that song. Is that we actually don’t think about any of the things that we wrote in the I Am a Thoughtful Guy song. We just thought this is funny. And it will rhyme. – Yeah. – And I would like to think about this. But I’m not gonna really think about it because the exercise at hand was to write a song. – About things to think about. – It wasn’t to actually to think about. Which means that the whole song is a lie. The whole song is full of lies because we’re saying I think about this. I’m a thoughtful guy. When the reality is I’m just a song writer. Not even thinking about these things. So let’s actually think about it. – And I think we should. Before we do it is interesting that I remember. I’m not trying to take credit for coming up with the concept for this song. – Sounds like you might be. – But I that’s a by product of what I’m saying. And that I distinctly remember where I was when I thought about writing a song about deep thoughts. I don’t know if I pitched it as I’m a Thoughtful Guy. But, maybe I did. But I remember I was at the Fat Burger in Sherman Oaks. – Owned by Queen Latifah. – She owns that one? – I like to think that she does. – I know that she owns one or some but I don’t know that she owns the one. – I heard that she owns half of all the ones in LA. So 50 50 chance that she owns the one in Sherman Oaks. – I’ve never seen her there. I’ve only been there once. Well, I might have been there more than once. But I was there alone, you weren’t there. And I was sitting there eating. – At the Fat Burger alone? – I was at the, yeah. It looks depressing. – That’s a little sad. I was in the car too. – Oh gosh. – I was in the car eating alone and I was thinking about songs. But I don’t remember much after that. Except how good that burger was. – Don’t get the turkey burger there though. – I’m almost positive that I did not write this line. And I’m pretty positive that you performed it. But I’m also pretty positive that you wrote it. So do you remember writing this line? – My memory is not that good. – Cause I remember how we write this song. We both independently wrote a whole bunch of thoughts that you could think. And then we kind of pitched them to each other and then we organized and we put it to the song. Then we wrote some together and figured out. Oh there needs to be some shorter ones in the beginning. And by the end of the song there’s gonna be some more involved ones. I remember all of that. So I’m putting this on you because I believe firmly that you wrote. You came up with this line. So I think that you thought it up. Why? Just put yourself back in that place even though you don’t remember writing it. – Well, I think maybe an easier exercise is just to think about. To actually think about the first guy who ever shaved. Because I didn’t think about that guy. – This is not the type. This is the type of thing that you would have thought of. You’re saying that you didn’t. You just thought of it in the context of the song. So you didn’t actually, you have no further thoughts besides what we’re gonna come up with right now. – It’s okay yeah. I mean shave rhymes with cave. You know you just come up with some rhyming pairs and then your like. Oh the first guy who ever shaved. Oh and the second guy caved. You know, I can’t explain the process man. – I know that you talk in like neanderthals. Or is it neanderthal. – Well, I think. – Are hairy in the face. – Most scientists say neanderthals. Even though we used to always say neanderthals. – There is an h. – Yeah but you can say it however you want to. I mean they’re all dead. But they have been talking about bringing them back. – But they’re relics of their DNA are within all of us of varying degrees. – That is a controversial. The scientific community is currently split on that. There are some people who. – 23andMe isn’t. – Yeah, 23andMe takes the side that basically. It’s fascinating, I’ve talked about this book multiple times. The Sapiens, I cannot remember the authors name. But Sapiens, New York Times best seller that basically tells the entire history of humanity. And he talks about all the different people that existed along side all the. Basically humans, humanoids in humans. Not homo sapiens, not specifically our species. But the other humans that were sort of branch off of homo sapiens basically cousins. And that we weren’t so far separated from them that we had lost the ability to inter breed. So there are some people. He made it sound like it was like 50 50 right now. But one side of the coin is we separated and millions of years passed. And the population sort of isolated. And then they came back together and we took them out. But of course. – They meaning the neanderthals. – The homo sapiens took out the neanderthals but we also inter breed a little bit. Enough to get like one to three percent of their DNA into our DNA. And so it varies from person to person. I think I was pretty high. I think I had a lot of caveman in me. Although the cranial capacity of neanderthal was either the same or a little bit more. So the whole idea that they were stupider is just something that’s in popular culture. But there’s no reason to believe that they had less intelligence than we did. But then the other camp thinks that that didn’t happen. We didn’t, we just wiped them out. And we didn’t really inter breed with them. – Inter breed. – But we shave too. – But do they all. – Why are we talking about neanderthals? – I’m just talking about pre homo sapiens. Or homo sapiens before you shave. I mean, cavemen. – Do you thing they’re like homo erectus shaved? The first person to actually shave? – That’s a good question. That we can’t answer. First of all, we’re assuming that they had hairy faces. I mean I’ve seen all the renderings. I guess that’s a safe assumption. – Well, we still have hairy faces so they definitely had hairy faces. If anything we’ve been getting less hairy. When you go back six million years to our common ancestor with chimpanzees. Of course at that point we probably got a lot of hair. And then slowly you loose body hair for lots of different reasons. But you retain it in a couple on places. And one of the places is on your faces. And then some guy decides. – It’s interesting that before that one guy decided to shave it. That from an evolutionary perspective that the places where the hair stuck around. I tend to think more about the eye brows. Why is there hair still up here? You know, and I think it’s prehistoric sunglasses. It absorbs light, it allows you to see. To see easier when it’s sunny. It’s like why baseball players put black under their eyes. – That’s part of it but it’s also. So you’ve got one guy who’s got eye brows and you’ve got another guy who doesn’t. This is a vast over simplification of natural selection when it comes to a trait like this. But you got one guy. – Trying to catch baseballs. And another guy trying to catch baseballs. – But the funny thing is is that. So there are multiple processes and I’m not an expert that lead to. Some of it was climate and that kind of thing. But leading to us shedding the majority of our hair and not needing all the hair. But then the problem is if you go too far, you loose the eye brow. And all of a sudden you’ve got sweat in your eyes and like you said. You also got sun in your eyes. And so the guy who got sweat in his eyes and sun in his eyes is less likely to survive and reproduce than the guy who doesn’t get sun in his eyes. – But they don’t, I mean. Maybe they made it more in the sun. – Maybe the ladies thought that the eye brows or the men thought that the ladies eye brows were more attractive. Is that what you’re saying? Cause that also is a driver of change. – It could be but I’m just saying more simply. You got to, I guess you don’t have to see in order to mate. So I’ll throw that out. – But it helps. – It does help. – It helps quite a bit. – For certain parts of it. – In those times, back before. In today’s, in modern society. You can have lots of different disabilities and it doesn’t effect your ability to reproduce because this is a modern society. And people are supported in all kinds of ways. But you go back to more animalistic times. There are still cultures that they’ve observed. Some of these isolated tribes, this is also in Sapiens. Like isolated tribes that are still around and we can talk to the people who descended from these folks. Their parents and grandparents. There are cultures where when somebody get weak. Like when somebody gets too old. Somebody comes up behind you and kills you with a rock. – Ohhhh. – Yeah so there’s a culture, I don’t know where it is in the Amazon Rain Forest or something. But there was a dude and he was the designated killer. – Rock dropper. – And so typically when an older woman got too slow and was holding everybody back. He went up behind her and killed her with a rock. And he might do it to his mom. He might do it to his grandma. Everybody was related and it was just this understood thing in the culture. So if that’s an indication of what it was like hundreds of thousands of years ago for all humans. You didn’t want to be somebody. You didn’t want to be the blind person. Because you might get a rock on the head. An obviously for very good reason thankfully that kind of stuff doesn’t happen anymore. – Yeah, that’s pretty horrible. – So, yeah I would think that that would have been a disadvantage. – To not have eye brows when mating. (laughing) – But why did somebody decide to shave. Cause first of all, anybody who is. – Well what I’m saying is that your body from an evolutionary perspective decided to shave. – No, your body doesn’t make any decisions. – You know what I’m saying. The evolutionary process blindly decided where to shave a lot of our bodies, okay. So all this hair on my body. Like some people have more chest hair than others. Like back hair, back hair is more of an anomaly from an evolutionary perspective. But we evolved the ability to still keep hair right here just around this part. Under the nose, in front of the ears and down below the jaw line connecting if you’re a real manly man like me. – For some people. – Connecting down below the goosum to the chest hair. Which is the superior and upper happy trail. As I like to call it. – But what is your point? – That evolution stopped there and then man had to make the decision. So before why didn’t they make the decision? – Well, first of all you don’t know. Evolution happens, is so slow that you don’t know that the evolution of facial hair isn’t continuing. We just can’t perceive it. – Which is why aliens don’t have beards. You ever seen an alien with a beard. – Right, that’s a good point. But we have the distinct advantage. Very, very small. Very small minority of people who’ve ever existed on Earth have the ability to know that there was something different before us. Cause you could come to the conclusion that this dude somewhere a couple hundred thousand years ago was like. I see the pattern here. It seems like we’re progressing towards less hair so I’m gonna go ahead and do the work that evolution is gonna do and shave. No, obviously he didn’t do that because he didn’t perceive that. We perceive, we may perceive really hairy people as more caveman like. When you see a really hairy dude at the pool right. Like a dude with just like crazy back hair. – Shoulder hair that you could land in. – And you might look at that guy and say that guy seems more like a caveman. In what I imagine a caveman to be. – We’re talking about my dad here, so gentle. – Your dad seems more like a caveman than my dad. (laughing) That’s what we’re saying. So then you would come to the conclusion that that’s a negative thing. But that’s only coming from a modern scientific perspective. Everybody else who before we had this understanding of our past would see a hairy dude and wouldn’t think anything about. Well he’s more cave. They didn’t know what a caveman was. They didn’t understand human progress. They didn’t even understand time in the way that we understand time. But this dude who decided to shave had to think that the hair was somehow less dignified. And maybe it wasn’t comparing himself to previous humans but it was comparing himself to animals, right. So you look at yourself and of course humans. The natural instinct of every human is to think that you’re special and your separate from animals. That’s why there are so many people who still don’t believe in evolution. Because they choose to believe that how we can’t be related to all these animals because we’re special, we’re different right. And so that’s totally natural instinct of humans to think. – Side note, I think it is possible to believe that your special. Indeed I believe that we are. People are special in terms of conscious, a soul. Whatever you want to call that. – But to be separate. – The process of evolutions does not negate the specialness of me as a conscious human being. I think there’s a difference between. But I put that more on consciousness than I do on body hair. – Well, that’s complicated. That’s a complicated conversation. But what I will say it that we tend to think of ourselves. We’re not animals, right? Even though all the evidence points to the fact that we are, we want to say we’re not animals. And we’re obviously better than the animals. We’re obviously smarter than the animals, right. We’re obviously smarter that that chimpanzee. You have no reason to believe that he’s a cousin. I’m just talking and so. You’re like well, I’m gonna make myself less animal like. Or, maybe. – So in that sense it’s like. And that could even be subconscious. Like if you’re picking up a sharp rock and shaving your face. Or I don’t know, was it a knife? Shaving your face for the first time, you don’t even know why you’re doing it. It could be a form of self expression that deeply rooted is to enhance your separateness and specialness. So even if it’s subconscious I could see it going back to that. – I’m taking all this back now though. Because I don’t think that the guy was thinking of. People don’t do that. They don’t zoom out and think about them compared to the animals. They admire themselves in the context of their local community. So now you’re talking about men and women. – I think it’s still on the table if it happens at a subconscious level. Yeah, I don’t think anybody’s saying I’m not a ape. Look at my face, I shaved it. You know, it’s something that you just feel. You want to feel different and special. But it might be rooted in something to separate yourself and enhance your. – No doubt the first dude who shaved was interpreted as doing something very feminine. That’s what I think we’re actually talking about. Now you could also say. You know some people have less facial hair than others. Maybe, maybe before the first guy with a beard shaved there was just a guy without a beard naturally. So there’s two possible scenarios, multiple scenarios. One scenario is you got a guy who just has less facial hair. My father-in-law for instance. He cannot grow a beard, he can’t even get close to growing a beard. He can grow like a very, very slight mustache and a very, very slight goatee. But for all intensive purposes. – Like some patchy areas. – No patches, he doesn’t have anything on the cheeks if he doesn’t shave. So you got a guy like that and let’s say that that guy who has less facial hair is for some reason powerful. Maybe he’s got all the woman. Maybe he spread his seed around. And so now you want to compete with that guy. And you’re like well I’ve got a big beard. Maybe the difference is I got this beard and so you shave it off. That’s one possible scenario. Because the other scenario is all the men had beards. And first of all, I mean again. We’re just completely talking out of our butts. We don’t know why this happened. But for some reason the women lost their facial hair before men. There was a point in which we all had facial hair. But so then, assuming that the women lost it before men. And then all men had beards. Then some dude made a decision to become more like a woman and maybe that was his motivation. Or, maybe it was an accident. Did fire come before shaving? Because shaving involves very specific tools, right. So which came first? Fire or tools sharp enough to shave? – I’m going with fire. But if you’re saying that somebody got their beard burned off and then it was like whoah. – You know when you’re grilling and you singe some. I mean it smells bad then you’re like oh. – Grills definitely came before knives. I do know that. Okay, dude burns his beard off and then what? He’s a leader? He’s a fashion forward kind of guy in the community? – I don’t know. I mean again, it could have been as simple as one powerful woman preferred the guy without the beard. The guy with the half burned beard who is like I got to make this thing symmetrical. I’m gonna see if I can get the rest of this off. Or maybe it was somebody who had to get into something. Like slip into something and they needed to. – Yeah, face first. – Maybe there was a functional reason like some guy needed to. Maybe there’s a guy that was a designated guy that stuck his face into a beehive or something like that. Of course that guy would need a beard. There’s got to be a functional reason why you wouldn’t need a beard. – You know I think you’re good at coming up with things you don’t actually believe. (laughing) You’re doing a good job. I’m just wondering if there’s a. When you’re talking about people who genetically they don’t grow full beards. I think at first they would grow less beards and it would become patchy. It wouldn’t just be all of a sudden. – Yeah it’s gradual. – Yeah so, at some point when it’s gradual it becomes patchy to the point where it becomes more embarrassing than desirable. So you’re like I’m taking. – The drastic measure. – I’m taking this drastic measure of like. I’m shaving the patches off. I’d rather have nothing than have a half beard. All my boys are grunting and making fun of me. I hear their grunts right now. Those are divisive grunts. You know, so I’m just gonna take it all the way. And then something cool happens to that person. Maybe they were cool for other reasons. So it became, culturally it became something. – Cause it’s complete. Cause obviously the ability and desire to shave is not. That’s not in your DNA. That’s not something that’s passed down to your DNA, that’s cultural, right. – Yeah. – So it’s not like oh the guy who shaved had more kids and so his kids shaved too. That’s not how it works. – Yeah, it’s all about. – You have to infiltrate the culture. – Yeah, it’s all about fashion. I mean sexuality, fashion, power. I think you’re thinking about power as pretty. Like being associated with a powerful person or a powerful person making a choice. – To influence culture. – Yeah. – But I think we maybe. We’re thinking about. You know you’re talking about divisive grunts. I think we’re thinking about it too. – Too prehistoric. – Too prehistoric. This is probably. – We’re talking like the Romans were the first people to shave or something? – I mean the Roman Empire was several hundred years BC definitely right. When it got started. I’m saying the historical. Historical humanity, like recorded history. So like post stone age. Not prehistoric but historic. That my guess is that the first person who shaved was in historic times. Which makes me think that we could have just Wikipedia this. – I think at some point were gonna have to crack open the internet in this. I think we have to do that in this podcast. We can’t sit here and blow smoke for tens and tens of minutes. – Like the history of shaving. – And then just leave it. We can’t leave this open ended. People are already cracking open the internet or they’re frustrated if we’re not gonna give a definitive answer at the end of this. I think we need to find that answer by the end of this conversation. – There’s an interesting. – But I think we need to agree before we crack open the internet. I think you and I have to be like this is what we believe it is. – But an interesting thing that you have broached here. And that it the purpose of conversation. This is something that I’ve been thinking about a lot. I’ve actually been thinking about this in the context of. – So if you’re expanding the conversation, do you agree that we are going to. – I’m coming back to that. – We’re gonna find the internet answer to who’s the first person who ever shaved. So hang on. But yeah, go with this. If the rabbit hole can go anywhere and come back to that. – I’m still in the hole. I’m not leaving the hole. – Oh we’re still in the hole. – In talking about. One of the things that we’re doing for the tour of Mythicality for the show is we’re bringing different parts of the book to life. That’s sort of the backbone of the show. And you know that there’s a chapter written from the future in the book. We literally had ourselves from the year 2075 write an entire chapter of The Book of Mythicalities. Fascinating, we can’t tell you how it’s done. But it’s absolutely fascinating. – It wasn’t legal. – No, broke many different international. – It wasn’t legal then but it’s not illegal now. It’s legal now cause there’s no law now yet. – But we’re bringing that potentially, that section of the book to life. And one of the things I talk about. One of the things we talk about in the chapter that I was trying to find a way for us to talk about it in a show today. Is the idea of time passing and information processing. Even as it relates to entertainment. So let me explain what I’m saying. With Good Mythical Morning you sit down and you enjoy Good Mythical Morning or Ear Biscuit. Or any form of entertainment. Doesn’t have to just be something that we make. For an amount of time. You set aside time and of course if you’re listening to a podcast or an audible book or something like that. You might up the time 1.25, 1.5. Whatever, how fast you want to move. But there’s a limit to how quickly your brain can process information. And if you were a computer. If you were a perfectly functioning computer you don’t have to take time to tell a computer a story. You can take a file that has a story on it and put it into a computer and the computer immediately processes it. And is familiar with it in all the ways that it needs to be familiar with. So in other words. – It has it. It either has it or it doesn’t have it. – We’re recording this podcast right now and it’s making a file. That the computer is immediately. The computer doesn’t see it as something that has a beginning and ending. It just sees it as digital information that it can access any time. – It has it or doesn’t experience it. – Right. – Over the course of time. – And what’s happening with artificial intelligence is really interesting because we are headed lightening fast to some sort of intelligence that will immediately. As soon as there is something that can be as intelligent as a human, emotionally. It will be infinitely more intelligent already from a mathematical standpoint. Because your phone is way smarter than us mathematically already so. – Sure. – So assuming there’s gonna be. And then there’s probably gonna be a time in which we’re able to figure out how to have an interface between our brains and a computer. In the same way that right now our lives are sort of supported and propped up by these memory devices. Like the reason I knew you were going to the dentist and you knew you were going to the dentist. It wasn’t because you remembered but because it was on your phone, for all intensive purposes. – Cause my phone new it, it had it. – If you expand that out and you say well this phone is now attached to my head. It’s inside my skull. Now entertainment becomes something that you can simply download. – So you become like a character in a roll playing video game that it an walk into a shop and buy. – An experience. – The ability to wield a sword instantly. – And it’s not just abilities. Abilities, that’s a real interesting conversation. But I’m specifically talking about experiences. So it might be like I want to know what it’s like to climb Mount Everest. I want to know what it’s like to have Kobe beef. I want to know what it’s like to have. – So in that case, you would be implanted with the data of a memory. – So then you could say have you ever climbed Mount Everest? And you be like yes, it was amazing. And you could talk about it extensively as well as. Even better than if you actually experienced it and then remembered it. Because of the fault associated with memory. – Right, it raises the question. So about the book. We talk about how the future of Good Mythical Morning is that it will not be enjoyed as a linear experience. Over time it will be enjoyed as data that is simply injected into your brain. That’s the future of Good Mythical Morning. That’s the future of entertainment. – Sounds depressing doesn’t it? – As it relates to this conversation. This is really interesting. Because you’re saying here we are. Two guys who don’t really know what they’re talking about but like to talk. – Yeah. – And can talk about the first guy that ever shaved and you’re talking about. Saying well listen, we could just go to the internet and get the definitive answer. Maybe we can, maybe we can’t. We don’t know, they probably don’t know but we can get the best answers from the best people. But then we wouldn’t have had this conversation. So the question is is there. Is being implanted with the experience the same as the experience? If you perceive it in exactly the same way and one second after you get back home from Everest. You feel exactly the same way as the guy who didn’t go and simply had it implanted in his brain. So you both feel and perceive exactly the same thing about your trip to Everest. – Absolutely not, that’s not the same thing. – It’s not the same thing but. – You would believe you’ve done it except you knew that technology existed that it’s possible that you didn’t climb Mount Everest. You just believe with your whole heart and mind that you did. – You can control that part of the technology. You can say part of the. – Flag this one. – I will think that I did this one. This is not one that will be implanted in my brain that I know definitively that I didn’t do. I want you to convince me that I did this. – But do you know how they would do that? They would do that by tapping into the part. They would subvert that part of your brain. The neurons that are associated with pathological lying. And I’m not comfortable with that. Like the people who can lie. They lie things they believe. I don’t want to alter my brain in that way. And I think that’s how science would do it. – Oh they’ll have a way to do it man. – It’s lying to yourself. – Yeah and then what is your reality? Cause you can be like. The most immediate application for this technology is trauma. Is people who’ve been affected by horrible experiences. People have been abused and been through horrible experiences. Who developed some sort of Stockholm syndrome or whatever. – Well I think that’s a noble twisting on neurons. – Right and so in those cases you can say we don’t want to add experience but we want to subtract experiences. But once you figure out how to do that then you’re like. Well why aren’t we gonna add experiences? But I don’t want to get into that. That’s a whole different conversation. But my thing is I do value the conversation that we’re having. – Yeah, because I think if you’re questioning getting back to this is. Would you just like to know the answer? What’s more valuable? Knowing the answer. Who was the first guy who ever shaved and maybe why? Or all the details that the internet would offer. Or would you rather have the experience of listening to two idiots trying to seem really smart but potentially being totally off base for an hour. – We are comedians. Let us not forget that. – And I hope that’s very valuable. But instinctively I felt like it wasn’t valuable enough. So I was like we got to put this thing on the end. I presented the conundrum here. It’s a hard question to answer. – You’re talking about short circuiting. – If you had to choose one or the other. But you could also have both. – We’re gonna give both. We’re gonna find out the answer here in just a few minutes. But if we didn’t this would be a very frustrating podcast and that was my concern in why we said we need to come up with an answer. Does that give us an answer to your larger question of would you rather know something and believe you experienced it or never know it? If it was a lie. Would you rather download the experience of Everest but never actually go or either go or don’t go? Would you stay old school? Would you take the pill, the climbing Everest pill? – Well first of all, there are people who think differently about. There are people who are very scared of technology and putting anything into their body. You know there was that company that. I think they were in Sweden or maybe it was America. I know it’s happened in Europe but there was that one company where they lined up and they gave people the little chip in between their thumb and index finger. – Oh yeah. – And it was according to the company it was optional and they paid for it. It was like 50% of the employees signed up for it and it was basically their security clearance to get into the building. Was built into their thumb. – Okay, so basically just a key. Something as simple as a. – But. – That’s a big choice for just the convenience of not having to loose your keys. I don’t know if I would get an implant just to get in my work without my badge. – But obviously this is just step one of many. Right, because at some point we’re gonna be like. Well why can’t we also have my social security number, my personal information, my medical records on me at all times. So there are people for good reason. Let me just be one of the first people to say there’s very good reason to be very cautious about that kind of thing. You know, lots of people from particular backgrounds and particular understandings are like this is the mark of the beast that is foretold in the book of Revelation. And that’s what these people are getting themselves into. This is a real bad thing. And even the people who don’t think that and just believe that you should have some sort of privacy and the government shouldn’t know all this stuff. There’s good reasons to be scared of the technology. I on the other hand am like. I feel like this is all inevitable and we’re gonna have to just move forward with the technological advances and be very cautious as we embrace them. But realize that ultimately there is. You can’t hold back this flood that’s going to happen with us becoming one with machines. I don’t think you can actually hold it back. – And while you were talking I concluded. I will take the climbing Everest pill. – Right. – At first I’ll say with the flag on it on the file that I know that I really didn’t do it. – So you can experience it but then. – Yeah, I don’t like the idea of lying to myself. I’m not comfortable with believing like a pathological liar or worse. Like lying to myself. I don’t think that’s healthy. But I think I might be comfortable with like I’m sitting in a chair. And I’m like you know what. I took that pill two years ago. I’m gonna relive climbing Everest right now in my own mind. Like a prisoner would do in a cell who thinks about when he used to walk on the outside. – And then you can delete it too. Maybe it’s a free trial. Maybe there’s a seven day free trial with the Everest thing and you just do it for seven days and you forget about it. – Just zone in and out just thinking about man. Once I got up there it was tough. I had to really alter my breathing cause I ran out of the oxygen. – Cause I think what you’re talking about is if you can’t separate yourself. Whatever it is that yourself is from the memory that’s been implanted. Then who are you, right? Cause at that point you can give me a completely new identity and that could be a different self. Which is the whole crazy thing that. You know you talk about traveling across the universe. Well we’re always going to be able to send information much faster than physical matter. We’re always going to be able to send information faster than matter. Because matter has got to get up to. You know there’s all kinds of limitations with propelling matter across the universe. But information moves pretty fast. – And when that information becomes yourself then you can put yourself. You can travel in space. – So at that point if we find a way to represent the self as a collection of digital information in which obviously we’re getting into lots of philosophical questions about is that all you are. Let’s just say for this argument it is all you are and you can be implanted in a cyborg that never gets old and you can just change yourself out. Oh I broke my arm I’ll just put a new arm on. And so now you are this self. – Hey, you show up in. I want to show up in Sweden, right now. – You shoot yourself to a different cyborg. – Or Mars. – Or any place else and ultimately. If there are aliens and statistically speaking there probably are. It would be very difficult to believe that there aren’t. – Beardless by the way. – Definitely beardless. I don’t think that they’ve come to visit us yet. But when they do come and visit us, if they come and visit us. It will be in that fashion. It will be. – Through the internet. – It won’t be beardless beings showing up on space ships. Suddenly you’ll look down and there will be matter assembling itself next to you into a being that has found a way to shoot information across the universe. And take the matter from your planet and assemble itself into a coherent being. That’s how they’re gonna come. – I don’t think that will happen. I think they’ll have to be a conduant. So they’ll be shells. They’ll be avatar shells like physical shell people. – Well that’s the movie where they shot but basically planted themselves. – They have to have containers. They have to have bodies. You can’t send it through. – I disagree. – You can’t email it through the internet. What’s that matter forming? – If you can get to a place–. – Matter cannot be created or destroyed. – What I’m saying is that if you are technologically sophisticated enough to send matter across the universe. – Data not matter. – No, matter cause you’re talking about physical things being planted. – Yeah, yeah. The shell, they ship the shell. – Okay exactly. If you’re technologically sophisticated enough to send matter. Whether that’s shells or ships or seeds across the universe to another planet. You already have gotten to a place where you’re technologically and sophisticated enough to send data that can have information that then assembles the matter that you have access to on the planet. – Oh you’re saying that the data pulls resources from the soil. It doesn’t create or it attaches to the side of a skyscraper and pulls bricks off the side. Okay yeah, I believe in that. (laughing) – The whole point is that in. – I thought you were saying matter from nothing. That’s physically impossible. – I don’t read a lot of science fiction. – But you know their stories about it. – Somebody needs to make a movie about this. If not somebody we will. Somebody’s got to make a movie about that’s how the aliens get here. For you sci-fi fans who read a lot more than I have. You got to tell me that somebody has thought of this. That that’s how the aliens come. They come as information that assembles itself using the atoms in our Earth. – But we’re not gonna answer that here. – Because I’ve got to get back to the first guy who shaved. – But before we do would you take the climbing Mount Everest memory pill without a flag? – Without a flag definitely. I’m the guy who’s first in line to embrace all the weird stuff. – I would think I would take it with the flag. Again I’ve already told you why. I don’t want to fool myself. – As two different guys though. If you have the flag and I don’t have the flag. When we sit down to talk about Everest and you’re like well I didn’t really do it. But I’m like I did really do it. So by default I got a better story because I really did it. You’re gonna be like no, you forgot. You had the memory implanted without the flag, I had the flag and now we’re just in a argument about who’s got the flag. I’m like no I don’t have the flag. You’re like you didn’t get the flag implanted because that’s part of the package. I’m like don’t ruin it for me. I loved Everest. I lost this finger, now it’s back. – Right and then see how that ruins our friendship. – Yeah. – You see what you’ve done to us. – I think what this means is that friends have to do things together exactly the same way. We both have to go to Everest. – Take the flag or don’t take the flag. – With or without the flag. We got to make a decision or else you just loose friends. – I really think you’ll be. Even with the flag I honestly think you will be a better person. I think it can make you a better person to experience. I mean if you climb Mount Everest doesn’t that make you a better person? It impact your life. – It just makes you better period. If I see a guy that went to the top of a mountain. He’s better than me. – It’s like watching a movie. You can watch movies that make you better as a person and you can watch movies that I guess make you worse as a person. – Oh yeah, anything Tarantino does. (laughing) The other day I was sitting in my. – Tarantino was in the office. – In our office? – No not ours but where I’m supervising the post on Buddy Systems. – You’re kidding me. – The editor said I went to the bathroom. – No, no you’re kidding me. – And he said. – QT was in the building with you. – He said I, he comes back and he’s like. I was just in the bathroom with Quentin Tarantino. – Quentin Tarantino does posts at the same facility we do? – Yeah, we do, yeah we do. – I picture him doing it in a theater at his house in the hills. – He came to this place and he was at a urinal and he said it was really weird because he was. He had both hands above his head against the wall. – Of course that’s how he pisses. – And he was like. (laughing) He was leaning into the urinal. – That’s how I’m gonna do it from now on too. – Had no bend in the elbows, hands out stretched. Splattered against, splayed against the wall. – So we’ll talk about it. – I don’t. (laughing) Scott said I was like, that’s Quentin Tarantino. I can’t bring myself to say anything to him because of his posture at this urinal. – You don’t talk to Quentin Tarantino when he’s pissing. You don’t talk to him anyway. But definitely not in the middle of that. – And he said and plus he looked really disheveled. – When does he not? – He’s supervising the extended cut of Django Unchained which is going to be released on Netflix. – What? – Who would have thought that there was. Isn’t the director’s cut what Tarantino puts out period? Quentin Tarantino puts out whatever he wants. – Not in the days of Netflix when you get that little extra scratch on the side. – But now he has a even director director cut. – He’s thinking about all that money he’s making as he just pees all of the liquids out while pumping himself up. He’s peeing into that urinal man. So an even longer Django Unchained is coming our way. That’s the hot news that I got for you. You can’t put the flag on. But by the way, that was a memory that was implanted. What if this whole thing is a pill that we’ve taken? – Well, let’s not even get into the fact that it’s a almost a certainty that we are living in a simulation already. – I haven’t seen them, I’ll let you know if I see them. – So you take it with the flag or you take it without the flag? – With the flag, yes. – But you’re saying I got to have the flag if I want to do it as well. – So it’s like watching a movie but it’s a movie that’s my memory. And it has to feel different. It’s a memory trip, I’m taking a memory trip. Isn’t that a Merle Haggard lyric? Take is memory trips and fight the pain. Yeah cause he’s talking about he’s a prisoner of war. – Yeah that’s all you got when you’re in prison. Taking memory trips. – All you got when you’re in prison is your memory trips. – And think about there’s no doubt. – We could sell this technology to prisoners. For cigarettes. – There’s absolutely no doubt that when this is figured out if we don’t annihilate ourselves before we get to this point technologically. I’d say that it’s more likely that we annihilate ourselves as a species before we get to. – Technologically or environmentally or? – Yeah, yeah there’s like 15 different ways that everything could be blown up in the next 100 years. But let’s just say we get lucky and we make it through against all odds. Well, there’s no doubt that this technology is going to happen. I was listening to something on podcast the other day and we’re talking about how. If you were to bring somebody before the technological revolution to current date. They would not be able to process anything that they were seeing. Couldn’t even begin to process it. And to think about because of the principle of accelerated change that should things continue to change more quickly as they change. There’s no doubt that there’s gonna be a time that if we were to travel to the year 2075 or let’s just say 30 or 2175, whatever. We would encounter something that we couldn’t even process. And so we’re processing this stuff right now. We’re talking about implanting memories and trips to Everest and that kind of thing. But to think about the technological advances will be things that we can’t even. Couldn’t process or have conversations about right now. That will be more advanced than the things that we were talking about. Cause surely the things that we’re talking about are gonna come to pass. They’re just precursors to the crazy things that will come after. So you may think we’re just nuts right. This stuff is gonna happen guys. We’re gonna be faced with these questions. You’re gonna be able to look at a library and hit a button and get all the information and it won’t be an actual library. Those won’t exist but a library of information. – But there’ll be like a hipster retro. What’s it called, skin. They’ll be like a hipster library skin you can put on it. – And it will be. – What you choose it from. – It will be most likely based on how much money you have. That will be how you get the information. You know, unless somebody decides that. – That’s fine, the ultra rich can become self deluged and then it will be up to us to finally take control. – Oh okay. You’re gonna be part of the revolution huh? – Yeah. – Instead of the bourgeoisy? – Yeah. – I think I want to be part of the bourgeoisy. Just sitting up there thinking I’m on top of Everest with a Mai Tai in my hand. – Who was the first guy. – That’ll be a frozen Mai Tai. Well it’s a alcoholic drink it won’t freeze. That’s the beauty of what you said huh. What is a Mai Tai? Oh no, where’s the rabbit hole going? So he first guy who ever shaved. You guys have laptops, can we borrow one? Have you been looking this up or have you been doing your own internet? Cody was read, he’s got Google up. So first of all. – Jacob you go. – The first guy. – Backup Google this stuff. See if you can find something else. – Cody I’m having trouble. First guy who ever shaved has a parental warning. You don’t want to see that. (laughing) You don’t want to see anything shaved. (laughing) – Give us the password. We’re gonna ruin your internet history. Alright, so literally just type in who is. No, type in the question. – [Rhett] I just want to see if we say the first guy who ever shaved and just see if our song comes up. The history of shaving. Moderngent.com. And then we got the Guardian. When and why did men start shaving off their beards? Lets just go with the history of shaving. – Now this is not. This does not look like a pro site. This is like a white site with black text on it and a very boring side bar menu where one of the items is ask the barber. – Egyptians shaved their beards and heads which was a custom adopted by Greeks and Romans 330BC. Shaving predates history but it was early Egyptian men and women who really established shaving and hair removal as a regular part of daily grooming. – Hold on, hold on. I said we were gonna agree before we started looking into this then we got this laptop and we didn’t agree. We got so over freakin zealous that we didn’t land. Well neither one of us said Egyptians so we’re both wrong. – What I said was I said it was after history so that’s different than this. I’ve already been proven wrong. Cause this says on predates history. I landed on after history that’s what I was thinking. – I wanted us to agree cause I was about to talk about the Egyptians. – Well let me implant that in your brain. – Right, as I was saying I believe it started with the Egyptians. – That’s what it’s gonna be like in the future man. If you two guys are having an argument and whoever gets to the implant faster is the one who wins the argument. I want this guy to agree with me. And then you say his little code and he agrees with you. – That’s wrong because in the age of Google in your pocket or in your glasses. It would eradicate all arguments. That’s the sad thing about humanity. – That’s another rabbit hole because I have a whole theory about using artificial intelligence and letting them rule us. I actually have a theory about why that would ultimately be better. But people are gonna hate me because. – I’m just saying why can’t arguments. The reason why Google doesn’t solve arguments is because arguments aren’t about being right or wrong. They’re about other things. – But you can program artificial intelligence to only be concerned with the truth and then let them lead. – Keep reading this crappy website. – Men scraped their hair away in early times. In early times man with crude items such as stone, flint, clam shells and other sharpened materials. So he later experimented with bronze, copper and iron razors. How do they know this? – They don’t, keep reading. Why though? Why when and how people started shaving? Read that. Out loud. – Being so clean all the time was associated with fanatical behavior by outsiders. The ancient Romans thought that a lack of major body hair was some kind of terrible deformity. But not in Egypt where priest believe that body hair was shameful and unclean. – Religious belief of body cleanliness. – That make sense. Wild animals and barbarians had hair. That’s what I said about wild animals. Not the sophisticated and advanced Egyptian civilization. Being hairless was achieved by shaving using depilatory creams and rubbing ones hair off with a pumice stone. Ohh gosh. – That sounds fun. Click on the Guardian article. – We’re resorting to the Guardian for truth. (laughing) I don’t know if that’s a good idea or not. I don’t know much about the Guardian. – Oh goodness, okay. – An analysis of fashion pictures shows that beardlessness began among young men in the 1890’s. Give me a freakin break. You going back to the 1890’s. I just went on Ancestry.com the other night and did my whole family back to the 1700’s. – What is this? Hold on are you reading comments or an article? – That was Dave Null from Claremont California. Yeah Dave, your whole comment is null. Because you said it begins in the 1980’s. – You’re not reading an article. You’re reading a form that’s titled The Body Beautiful. – Here’s Nora from Chapel Hill. The ancient Romans also shaved their beards. While I don’t know much about fashion. These people are just. These people are worst than us. – Click out of this. – The Guardian just gets a bunch of numbskulls to come in and just say what they think. That’s what this whole podcast is. It’s two numbskulls saying what they think. We need definitive information. Shaving Wikipedia, that’s what I said about an hour ago. Shaving is the removal of hair. – Oh now we’re on to it. Now we get to the good stuff. Shaving is the removal of hair. Finally. – History. Before the advent of razors hair was. – Put this where I can read it silently while you read it out loud. – Before the advent of razors hair was sometimes removed using two shells to pull the hair out or using water and a sharp tool. Around 3000 BC when copper tools were developed, copper razors were invented. Okay so they probably found copper razors. The idea of an aesthetic approach to personal hygiene may have begun at this time. Though Egyptian priests may have practiced something similar to this earlier. – An aesthetic approach to personal hygiene, that’s two things. That’s fashion, aesthetic and personal hygiene which is cleanliness. – Alexander the Great strongly promoted shaving during his reign in the fourth century BC because he believed that you got to look tidier. And some Native American tribes, at the time of contact with British colonists. It was customary for men and woman to remove all bodily hair using these methods. So okay, alright. – When was that? The earliest that we’re hearing right now is 3000 BC. No, 3000 BC copper tools. – Yeah, 3000 BC but I think the point is that if there was a custom that the colonist ran into with the Native Americans. And the Native Americans, it’s controversial how long they’ve been here. But maybe as much as 40 thousand years, probably more like 20 thousand years they’ve been in North America. So you have to assume that that custom originated way before we just showed up. So it’s probably one of those things of this thing happening simultaneously in cultures. Because it can be done, it will be done. – Yeah, because you can do something to your body to express yourself. Maybe it’s a associated with a belief of hygiene or spirituality, religion. – I think the bottom like is it happened because it could happen, right. It’s as simple as that. You’ve got something on you that can be taken off. Well okay let’s try that. – Yeah it’s no. – Enough people live these things happen. – It’s really no different than saying why do people configure their hair in different styles. – Yeah, we could ask that question about ourselves. – Right. – I still don’t have an answer. – Yeah we do, we were. – We got a whole chapter in the book about it. – We wrote about it in the book. – Yeah. – Well, that wasn’t the Earth shattering ground breaking answer that we were hoping for. It’s just pretty simple. It’s like if it can be altered on the human body as soon as you can think about it, it’s gonna happen. – Would you like a more fantastic explanation? – I think we’ve given those. But the one with the guy grilling is my, is what I’m going with. – I’ll give my alternative explanation and that is that an ancient alien species. But that was a technologically sophisticated enough to transmit data that had the ability to control matter. – And also had evolved to the point that all of their hair was gone which is clearly the path that we’re all on. – No, no, no it was much simpler than that. They were just practical jokers. And they’ve sent themselves to Earth cause they are so technologically advanced they just do things for kick now. They sent one of their dudes to assemble himself as some weird dirt man. You know, hundreds of thousands of years ago and he came out and he made this motion like. Shave. – But he was clean shaven? – Yeah, well I don’t know his method. I know now he got there. – He didn’t have a beard? – He did something to encourage the first person to shave and that’s why people shave. That’s my alternative theory. – And you know why he did it? – For kicks. – Because someone, right for kicks. Because someone in that alien race just needs to stuff for kick had to go do a new thing for kicks in order to create the data. That can then be instantaneously passed along to everyone else of his or her race. So that they could say you never guess what I did yesterday? – And they were like let me experience it. – I traveled to a planet, I assembled myself. And I made like a shaving motion, it was hilarious. – I’ve been shaving for thousands of years there now. – Like now whenever we go back I bet you those fools will be shaven. (laughing) – Yeah right. – Yeah, I did that. No you didn’t. You didn’t put the flag on. – That was the expansion pack. – And that’s what’s happening. – It all comes back. We’re gonna stay in this rabbit hole for ever. – Wow, we’re never gonna get out of this. – That was just one question, if you like this. – Thanks Frank. – We’ll do this again. I enjoyed going down the rabbit hole. And if you hated it let us know as well. Some of you probably did. 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