Hey, we have a podcast, this is it. It’s called Ear Biscuits. – Hey! – And it’s now on this channel on Saturdays. There’s a number of things that we’re gonna clarify about how Ear Biscuits works, if you don’t know. – And first of all, I mean, if you’re already been watching and listening to Ear Biscuits, great. If you haven’t, just a quick tidbit about it. It’s not us eating weird stuff. It’s talking to each other most often about things that we care about. – At this round table in a dim lit. – In a candid, open way. Sometimes we don’t know where the conversation’s gonna go, so it’s a little more raw. Sometimes we just eat raw meat. No, I made that up. – No, we don’t. – That’s not true. – We don’t. – We just talk about raw things. – We bake ear biscuits, and we invite you in to this forum where you can hang out with us for an extended period where it, because this is the place where we can catch up on things, we can be candid about stuff. – This is the only time we actually speak to each other candidly is on this podcast. – It’s just a different complexion from Good Mythical Morning, but it does make sense for it to be on the same channel, so that’s what we’ve decided to do. Every Saturday, this video version of the Ear Biscuit podcast is gonna be released on this, the Good Mythical Morning channel. – Right, but this one that you’re watching right now that was released on a Saturday was actually released in audio form, this past Monday because there’s a fresh, new audio-only Ear Biscuit every single Monday morning available on Apple Podcasts and then on the following Saturday, we (babbles) birth it right here on the internet in audio and visual form on the the Good Mythical Morning channel. So, if you do something like, you go jogging or you ride around in your car or you different things that require– – Headphones. – The use of your hands and you can put headphones on or put it on the radio in your car– – Take us with you. Or you wanna go to sleep. – Yeah, that’s– – We’ll help you. – Audio podcasts are great for that. – We’ll help you with that. So, Apple Podcasts, check that out, get it fresh on Monday mornings. And then the video version… You can look at us talk at each other. – So we make arm motions sometimes for emphasis. – Like a chicken, on Saturdays. So does that clear it up? – I think it does. Can we actually get into it now? – Let’s do a podcast. – Okay let’s do it. (upbeat music) – Welcome to Ear Biscuits, I’m Rhett. – And I’m Link. This week at the round table of dim lighting, we’re going into unchartered territory. I see the hole, its shaped like a rabbit. And we’re gonna dive in after it. – Leave it right there. – So there’s an envelope here… – That has a question or a statement or something from a fan. From a mythical beast, and we use that as a jumping off point to go where the conversation leads. Follow the white rabbit. – No. Is that what we’re doing? – No. No, no we don’t follow the white rabbit. – It’s not a white rabbit, its just a rabbit. – I thought the rabbit… – Its a rabbit hole, its a rabbit trail. – But in Alice in Wonderland, its a white rabbit. – Yeah that’s true. – I’m not being racist, I’m just saying that’s what it was. – I thought that was a drug reference, I just wanna make sure we weren’t making any of those. – I do think it is a drug. But we’re not making the drug reference. – No, we’re not. – You can make a drug inference, that would be you doing that. – Yeah, that’s your problem. – We don’t make references, you make inferences. That’s what makes the world go around. – But before we do, we should catch up a little bit. – Yeah let’s catch up. – Being as this is the only time we have legitimate conversations with each other. – That’s not true. It’s not true. We talk to each other. But we do save conversations for this forum. – I mean, what we haven’t talked about is we’re at that point in the year, in the fresh year, when it starts to dawn on you that the resolutions that you made and the paths that you well laid are not being well trodden. Or are they? You know, I just wonder… Did you fall into a New Year’s resolution trap? – I don’t make resolutions. – And are you in it or have you escaped. – I don’t make resolutions… – I thought… No. – I don’t call what I do resolutions. – You did the most cliche thing, right? – I started going to the gym? I’m already… – You resolved to get back in the gym. – Let’s clarify things here. I’ve been going to the gym. I’ve been going to Pilates class. – Oh that’s right. – For two days out of the week for about a year now, consistently. It’s been great for my self image to say that I’m a Pilates man. (laughter) – Its been great for my back. But the one thing that I have noticed is that its great for like your back but I feel like… You know, I turned 40 last year, I’m not doing anything to get the heart rate up to some place that does good things for your body. – There’s no cardio in Pilates? – You can work really hard but no. You may get an elevated heart rate at times but its more about core and balance and strength. And you’re not gonna put any muscle on, you just gain strength and peace. – Peace? I gained some peace from it. – There’s a… – That’s what the P in Pilates stands for. It’s actually an acronym. Peace, intentionality, love, affection, tension, exceptionalism, and Socrates. Because the whole thing is based on Socrates. I made all that up on the spot. That’s the kind of thing that happens on an Ear Biscuit. – When you say… None of its true. – It would’ve been great if you wouldn’t have said “I made up all…” If you don’t brag… You bragged at the end and it just shriveled away just like your resolution to get in the gym. – No, no, no, no, no so its not a resolution. Well one of the things that happened is I… – Have you seen my wife in there, by the way. – No we…different times. – Cause Christy started going to the same place because she… You know, with her head injury… I don’t know if I’ve ever talked about her head injury. Its weird that I’ve never talked about it but she has… She’s suffering from post-concussion syndrome for having… – You make it sound like its Head Wound Harry or something. You remember that SNL character? Head Wound Harry? – Yeah well who was it? – I think it was Dana Carvey. Wasn’t it? – Well I think that, I immediately thought… – No, or David Spade. – Will Ferrell, but I have no clue who Head Wound Harry was. – Head Wound Harry, it was a guy, he would just be in public… – Jacob let us know who Head Wound Harry was played by. – And it was just, he had a gaping open wound on his head that part of his brain was showing. And he got it on things, like he would go to a party and he would get it on things. They probably only did it once but it happened at a certain point in my childhood so that its iconic in my memory. You know, you have those things where you’re a certain age where certain changes are happening in your life and the entertainment that you were enjoying at that point in your life becomes this iconic thing that you would never ever forget and Head Wound Harry, that era. – Dana Carvey. – It was Dana Carvey, my first guess was correct. – My doppelganger. Yeah. Yeah and so Christy has a gaping, oozing, bloody head wound she’s been walking around – It’s embarrassing. with it for over a year. – And Pilates really helps. – Its a story for another time except to say she was… It was just like an innocuous… She stepped up on a curb and those few inches was all it took for her to hit the very top of her head on a tree limb – Yeah, there was no blood. It wasn’t, just to clarify the joke, it wasn’t a gaping wound it was a concussion. – It was a concussion, and no bleeding on the brain certified by the emergency room. But, low and behold, over a year later she has post concussion syndrome symptoms which is like… Anyways, she can’t go to the gym that I still go to, because its too loud, she has sensory issues, and she can’t move her head around and throw it around all over the place so it turns out Pilates… – Cause you do jazzercise right? And there’s a lot of this. – A lot of head bobbing. Its like Night at the Roxbury, another SNL reference. That’s what I do, every morning. I just start bopping the… So she goes to Pilates. My impression of Pilates is people who have problems… – The P is for problems. – (laughter) Yeah. – And the I is for intelligence. – She has the sensory brain issues, you have the back issues, and you’re all there like the island of misfit toys on some weird informer, what’s it called? – Informer is the guy, the song by Snow. (babbles) ♪ Informer ♪ No its a reformer. – And you never see her there? – No because I go to the men’s class. And she’s a woman. – Oh. They don’t mix the men and the women’s at Pilates. – And I used to work out with your wife, Jessie. – They do, they just don’t at this particular place. – And then she bailed on the gym so I’m the only one left of all three of us who went there, you went there too! – Yeah we all did. Now let me clarify, because I feel like you’re crapping on Pilates. – I have an impression that its the island of misfit workout toys. – And I’ll say is that you could say the same thing about any sort of exercise that’s low impact and could be considered therapeutic. Because yoga could be the same thing. People who are having issues and can’t do high stress exercise, Pilates and yoga, but Pilates is really, really, really difficult. It’s basically as difficult as you make it because you’re using your body weight on this reformer, not informer. ♪ Informer♪ – And its, I don’t know, it’s great. And if you do it enough… – I don’t know, its great. – If you do it enough, and you do it long enough, you can get ripped doing it, but I’m not doing it to get ripped. I’m just doing it because I want my back to be functional and I don’t want to be like an 80 year old man in a 40 year old’s body. 40 year old man in an 80 year old’s body. – But you want cardio so you resolved in 2018 to go to the gym… – Resolved is the wrong word cause I don’t like resolutions because resolutions fail. What I decided I was going to do is I said I would like to get up at the same time every day because I keep hearing so many people say that you need to get into a rhythm, you need to get up at the same time every single day and I’m getting, I’m actually only getting up once a week for Pilates because my other class is an evening class. And I’m like, well what if I got up at the same time, six a.m. every single day… – Walked to the couch and went back to sleep. – And I was like, I can’t do Pilates every single day. And I don’t really want to go back to the place that you’re at because I hurt my back at the place that you’re at. I just want to go to a place that’s got some classes but its also got some machines I can get on and put my headphones on and listen to other podcasts besides ours cause I don’t listen to ours cause I’m listening to it now as it happens. – It goes out of your mouth and into your ear. – And so yes I did join a gym and… – Wait have you ever thought, we’re the first people that listen to our podcast, nevermind go ahead. Its just a stupid self-serving thing… – Well everyone else in the room right now is also. I mean, Kiko and Jacob are listening as well. – Yup well I question that sometimes. (laughter) – But, I made it one solid week getting up at six a.m., getting to the gym, I sweated like I’ve never sweated before. – Out of what? – Uh pores… – You’ve never done that before? – I haven’t sweated out of pores in a while. I’ve been sweating right out of my mouth. – That’s drool, brother. – Just my nails and my mouth. No and I took a shower at the gym, I was in the shower… I was one of those dudes, I was showering at the gym and them I was fixing my hair in the mirror at the gym, I was a gym guy for a week. – (laughter) Five days. – And then I got, I pushed it too hard man. I got sick, I this cold and… – Well you don’t get sick from working out. – Yes you do, read up on the internet, Link. – What do you mean? – Are you crazy? – It may weaken… – Stressing, you don’t get sick… – You can’t blame it on that… – Yes you can. – You get sick from viruses. – You stress your body out and it becomes… Your immune system is busy trying to repair your muscles and then you get exposed to a virus and you make yourself weaker. I worked myself too hard, too fast, five days in a row. – You became susceptible. – I was sore, I became susceptible to the virus, the virus got me. – Its the gym’s fault. Is what you’re saying. – And so now I’m two weeks into this and I’ve only got one week of the gym under my belt but I’m gonna have to just get back up and start again. Because getting up at the same time that one week that I was doing it was very helpful. – It is very helpful. – I know you started using that Apple Bedtime app, – Yes. – Which tells you when to go to bed. If you would like to get seven and a half hours of sleep you need to go to bed now. – In ten minutes… – I go to bed at ten thirty. Which is like so early for my household. My kids don’t go to bed at ten thirty. I’m the first one going to bed. – Oh wow. – I mean, my kids do, they’re supposed to but our family… The McLaughlin’s are not like the Neal’s. – Yeah, yeah, yeah. – We don’t… – I’m not gonna ridicule you for that. – We’re not on a schedule. – I’m embarrassed to say that I now go to… I’m in bed at nine thirty. I’m actually embarrassed by that. – Yeah, yeah you should be embarrassed. There’s so much life to be lived. So much T.V. to be watched, so much food to be eaten late into the night. – And I get up at eight forty-five. I’m just kidding, I get up at five twenty. – My goal is to work my way to five thirty. Because I would like to, because I’m cutting it close. I’m cutting it close sometimes getting here a little bit late, you know. – Yeah I’ve noticed that. Well that’s the other thing that kind of, you know it was a blow to my routine that like, I’ve got to go to this gym so we can’t carpool anymore I’m a little concerned about that. – Well we had carpooled three out of five days probably. – I can still call you. – Yeah, yeah you can call me on the way in. – The times that we don’t carpool we end up talking on the phone on the way in. – Cause we just can’t get enough of each other. – Well its, once you get in here and we’re in execution mode, and to be clear we’re like killing people, like cutting their heads off. – That’s really the 2018 Rhett and Link, is just killing people left and right. – You just can’t have idle conversation. You can’t talk about things that you know, the stuff that flutters through the gaps. – Flutters through the gaps. That’s my resolution for 2018… – Don’t let things flutter through the gaps. – Don’t get anything flutter through the gaps. – So, yeah, you’ve gotta do it more than a week to make it a habit. – But let’s get into the rabbit hole in just a second but first, we want to let you know about something very exciting that is Amazon.com/mythical, yes. Amazon.com/mythical, the place… – We’ve got exclusive merch dedicated to that location that whatever size you need these designs in, rest assured you can get it. – This is a Rhett and Link mixed tape which actually doesn’t exist, which is cool. Because you have to have the shirt to make it exist on your person because we actually never made a mixed tape that looked like this, this is just a graphic. But this is one of many different exclusive designs… – Well we made many mixed tapes… – Yeah but not one that said Rhett and Link on it. – But we didn’t write Rhett and Link on it. – They said things like Minnie Pearl goes to the race or something like that. – Our first comedy recordings in any form were audio recordings and that’s what maybe we’re commemorating… – Interview with a bed, interview with a sleeping man, I can’t remember, we talked about this on GMM a long time ago, but… – There’s other designs at Amazon.com/mythical so check those out and we’re rotating different things in and out of there and as I said, on demand, – Print on demand. in your size. If you want it come get it, its there for the taking. – Yeah and I think a few of our other products – For purchase. are also there, right? We’ve got the grooming products, Beard and Lady stuff, the beard oil, the lip balms, and all that’s also on Amazon so… – Thanks for supporting Internetainment and repping your peeps, which is us. Rep your peeps. Amazon.com/mythical. – Right, let’s get into this. Link, you wanna do the honors of opening this up? – Okay, where is this gonna take us? – Who knows, that’s the whole point. – Its got a little number five on the outside. Wha-bam! Nutsa Koreli commented, What would happen if you took a guy from middle centuries and just dropped him somewhere randomly in this century. What would his reaction be? I love how this question is, you know like, like we know this. And like we can talk about this for like 40 minutes. Of course we can. – Well we don’t have to talk about this, we’re gonna talk about whatever this makes us talk about. – If you took a guy… – What do you mean… – From middle centuries… – From middle centuries, you’re going back to the beginning of time. – Let’s just say the Middle Ages. Is that what we’re talking? – The beginning of humanity, you know, a couple hundred thousand years or whatever. No, we’re not talking about that, hunter-gatherer. Cause the hunter-gatherer would be paralyzed. It would be essentially the same as dropping a chimpanzee in the middle of New York City. – Well it would be like putting me, putting a virtual reality headset on me for the first time. Which, when we were at Sundance and they had this whole expo where they have the latest virtual reality technology and short films that people have made, experimenting and pushing the genre, and when Rhett and I went we waited in this line, signed up to come back and still waited in this line and we put on all of this garb so it wasn’t just the headset but it was gloves and shoes and… – Shoes, pants, shirt… – Thigh… I put on underwear. – Thigh things. I didn’t put on underwear. – Like torso things. I had underwear on, don’t get me wrong. – The guy was dressing me and I felt like a knight from the Middle Ages. So at this point if I was from the Middle Ages… – Oh so you’re saying we are considering the Middle Ages, not the middle century… – Well we can consider whatever you want… – Let’s focus on the Middle Ages. – So I’m saying Middle Ages. It was like I was a knight and my squire was putting all this VR stuff on me and then you right beside me. And he puts all this stuff on except for the headset and then he puts, and I’d never done VR before, I had never had an oculus rift on. This was a couple of years ago. – Two or three years ago. – I was just, I had not been interested in it. I don’t wanna do that VR stuff until this. And then he finally puts the VR headset, he’s standing right in front of me, on my face, like brings it down. And immediately I’m in a world, I’m in the future, immediately. – Well you’re in VR. – And I was ecstatic and he first thing I did instinctively was both of my hands just thrust up in front of me so I can look at them. And the moment I thrust my hands in front of me, I felt that my index finger and my middle finger from my right hand had been forcefully thrust into the mouth of the guy who had dressed me. And not only into his mouth but it went in front of his teeth and behind his lip like my two fingers were jammed up in here. – Yeah you almost did dental damage. – Its like I could’ve broken through to the sinus cavity. – Yeah, right you could’ve killed him cause if you go up high enough you hit the brain. – And I did it so forcefully, and I said whoa, and then I was like I’m sorry. And I moved my hand down, of course I never saw the guy. He wasn’t in the future with me. – Right, he didn’t have all the gear. – And I said “Oh, I’m sorry, I didn’t know you were there”, and he said, “don’t worry it happens all the time”. And he was literally, it was like he was in my ear, he was that close, he didn’t back… “Don’t worry it happens all the time”. – Well let me just say, I don’t believe that it happens all the time… – I felt horrible! – The same thing happened to me and I didn’t infiltrate anyone’s mouth. – Did you, well where did your hand go? – I knew there was a guy in front of me putting the thing on me cause I could tell he was putting it on me. – I just forgot! – So I was maintaining an awareness in VR and in real world at the same time. – Can’t do it, that is crazy. – It’s not one of your strong suits. – No, well I’d never done it, I mean, how can one maintain a dual reality? – We’re doing it all the time. But let me just say, this is an interesting question because you tend to think about things like well, any technology that is introduced too soon, there’s a famous quote, probably by Isaac Asimov, which essentially says any technology that is not understood is just magic to people, whatever, I know that’s a horrible paraphrase, he probably didn’t even say it, and correct me in the comments. – Isaac Hayes maybe. – But, essentially is, you immediately just think that something is coming from the supernatural if you have no category to put it in. And so, especially if you already have a mindset that is predisposition to believe in the supernatural which everyone in the Middle Ages believed that. So, every single thing that this dude would be seeing, whether it was the screen of a phone or a television or a car, the sounds, all the technology would be immediately interpreted as… – Hell. Magic, and it would either be hell or heaven, I think he would immediately think that he was in hell or heaven. Because again that would be the predominate… – There’s no way there’s that much advertising in heaven. – But he wouldn’t interpret it as advertising. – Or even screens, he wouldn’t interpret it as screens. Just like I didn’t interpret the screen on my face as a screen, I interpreted it as another world where there was not an open mouth in front of me. – Well its…Arthur C. Clarke, “Any sufficiently advanced technology is “indistinguishable from magic”, thank you Jacob. I was wrong about the science fiction writer author, Arthur C. Clarke, author. But, you know what I was saying, anyway, but I think the more interesting thing is not just to think about the immediate technological things that would be interpreted as magic, because that’s easy, we know that. But the things that we take for granted. The way that we see ourselves, the position that we see ourselves in the world based on the things that we know about. Things like, very simply knowing that we’re on a rock that’s hurdling through space. I think we underestimate just how much that impacts the way that we think about things. Whereas, if you go back to the year 1000, everybody just thought they were the center of the universe and everybody just thought they were on a flat disc or whatever, even though, there are still people who think we’re on flat disc now. But I just like to think, just conceptually the way we think about things and how different it is and so many of these things we take for granted. We don’t keep having the same sort of conversations about these things because you’re just born into a culture where you take all these things for granted. Like the fact that there’s bacteria. You know? – Mmhmm, you wash your hands. Is that what you mean? – He would need to wash his hands. – Maybe he didn’t know that. Well, it makes me think, are we at a point now with he revolutions that we’ve gone through, technological revolution, the Internet revolution, that are we prepared for anything. So I think the question is if you took us and plopped us as far into the future as the Middle Ages would be til now, I feel like we wouldn’t freak out. Its so different, you know? – You’re wrong brother. – I feel like I wouldn’t freak out. – No, no, no, no, but I believe you’re wrong because of a principle called the acceleration of change. We talked about this many times before. And that is the difference between now and the year 1000 is much less compared to the difference between now and a thousand years from now. – But things would change a lot more but our mindset and ability to be open to it is different, and the enlightenment. Before and after the enlightenment… – What you’re assuming by saying that, first of all, its pretty presumptuous, maybe a little bit arrogant. – Well its the future, we have to presume a lot. – Because what you’re saying is that we have learned more than there is to learn… We’ve learned more in the past 1000 years than there is in the next 1000 years. – No, no, no, no. – How can you not be saying that? – I agree with what you’re saying about the acceleration of change, but there’s a mindset that’s like, you know what, I’m up for anything. Anything is possible. – Well, okay. – We can conjecture about AI and stuff like that… – Well okay, here’s where you might be right… – There’s people whose lives are dedicated 110% to conjecturing about the future and all the different things that can happen. – What you’re saying is now that we’re in the middle of a quick changing landscape… – Yeah, its like nothing can surprise me. – Well, in other words, if you go back to the Middle Age knight, he had no contemporaries like writing science fiction at the time predicting what was gonna be next. Sure there might be a Leonardo Davinci down the street that was jumping off of a building and trying to fly, but to think that oh, one day there’s gonna be this thing that flies around that has this thing called a camera which is like an eye and its going to be able to send the thing that its seeing back to a little device that a man has and he can look and see, talking about a drone… – You talking about a drone here? Let me get this straight, you talking about a drone? – And we also are constantly being bombarded with things that are impossibilities because of CGI. So we can watch movies, not only can we read books and imagine things that are impossible, we can actually see those things come into physical reality, VR as an example, or movies for an example. Not physical reality but you know, visual reality. – Yeah. And so we can see things that aren’t real. We’re actually, we’re used to seeing things that are clearly not real and not thinking they’re magic because we know technology can product those things. That is a pretty good point, but I still think that you’re underestimating… Like think about how crazy of a technological movement that the Internet was. You realize there’s something that’s not in the predictive capabilities of people that’s gonna happen. There’s no chance that that’s not gonna happen. – Well, I think about this… If you plucked me from now and then plopped me in the future on the precipice of a chasm, and then beside me is… – Did you see that movie? – No, is that a movie? – Chasm? What you talking `bout? – Isn’t that a movie? It’s a horror movie, isn’t it? – Well then no, I haven’t seen it. And then beside me on the precipice, is Indiana Jones. – Harrison Ford or Indiana Jones? – Indiana Jones. – The character? Yeah. And he says, “Walk out there, just like you saw “in the movie that I was in. “By the way, I’m not the guy from the movie, “I’m the real guy, in the future, I exist.” Now, if I believed I had been plopped into the future, I could believe the Indiana Jones part. I’d be like, okay. Somehow, in the future, I bet you’re AI. You could be a hologram, you could be real, you could be flesh and bone to the core and if I ask you and Indie and you told me how you were produced I could buy all of it. And I would just be like, okay. I’m not freaking out. I’m like wow, somebody was right. Somebody who predicted this was right. I didn’t read their book but they were right. But then, I don’t know that I would walk out like he did in the movie without throwing the dust out and even if I threw the dust out and I saw that there was some sort of invisible path across the chasm. But if you dropped me, if you plucked me from here and then plopped me out on that path, I would have a visceral emotional response. I would freak out, I would go into shock. Cause I would think I should be falling through and I wasn’t. So I’m not saying that you couldn’t freak me out, I’m saying if you sat me in an office chair and you like, informed me and educated me on these things – Office chair (laughter) – I just think my mindset would be different. – There’s no such thing as an office chair a thousand years from now. – I just think we’re that… Our minds are that open. – Is this another way of saying what you’re saying, that we have crossed some sort of threshold of possibilities, of openness to possibilities that didn’t exist before. And you don’t think that there’s another threshold that we can’t even foresee that then would just be so mind blowing that then you would conclude things, you would be trying… Again, in the same way that the Middle Ages man takes what he’s seeing and he categorizes it, right? You only can categorize things according to categories that exist in your own mind. And so if you’re from the year 1000, and you see the modern day, you’re like I’m in heaven or hell. There’s no other possibility. I’m obviously not in Earth, I’m not on Earth. But you think that you’ve got enough categories now. You think that you’ve got categories of like it might be parallel universes, it might be some sort of simulation, it might be something where my brain is being manipulated in a way. This may be a hallucination induced by a drug. There’s so many different possibilities that you as a modern man, can appreciate. – The level of trauma, because I think that’s the answer to this question, what would his reaction be if he was plopped here, would be utter trauma. It would be permanent damage. – And you don’t think that you would be traumatized. So what you’re saying is, and you may be right… – Not in the same way, unless I’m floating over a chasm. – So you don’t think that there’s not another game changing technological threshold that will happen, that will fundamentally change… – You make a good point cause this is a trap, right? If I say no, there’s no new category that, there’s no new box that I don’t have that I could throw whatever I would experience when I was plopped into the future into. Well… That’s exactly what I’m saying. – Well let’s use music as an example. Cause if you go back to, go back to the 40’s, right? And play… – Post Malone. – Post Malone? Okay, we just… – Since he was just hanging around with us. – You play Post Malone for somebody in the 40’s, and what… Is there, okay… So we know what kind of reaction they would have to that, we can anticipate it would be like, I don’t understand what’s happening. I can vaguely recognize that there’s like, a beat. – A couple of words. – But I don’t understand why… They probably wouldn’t categorize it as music, right? – Right, right, it would be an alien language. – But you think that there is a music genre, that would be created, that would be surprising to us, in the same way that Post Malone would be to someone in the 1940’s. Or do you think its like… No, I mean, at this point, any combination of noises could be music because… – Yeah I think at this point any combination of noises would not surprise me if you told me it was music. – Because if you think about EDM – I wouldn’t be surprised. – Because this is a good… – I would be surprised by the sounds in that it was enjoyed by people and I have an opinion about it but I wouldn’t be surprised that it was music. – Right, because if you think about EDM, EDM, one way to see EDM, and I’m not gonna say EDM music because that’s like saying ATM machine. Okay, so I’m just gonna say EDM. – That’s good of you. – And why can’t we just call it EM? Because why do you have to dance to it? You know what I’m saying? Do you have to dance to it? Why can’t it just be EM? – I’m sure there are. – You think, I’ve never heard EM, everybody says EDM. – We’re not cool enough to have heard about it. – Is there just EM that you don’t dance to? – I hope so. I’ve never danced to EDM. – We’d probably like it. – But, I would say, without a doubt, that there are probably albums out and there’s a song out right now and probably this is what the composer was thinking when he or she put the song together, “I’m going to create a song that “has every single frequency that can be understood “and perceived by the human ear to be in this song”. That’s an easy thing, right? And even if EDM producers haven’t done that yet, get on it, right? – Catch up with the EM producers. – So basically every single sound for a lack of a better way to put this, encapsulated in one song, at least every frequency. There’s only so many frequencies that we can hear and with the technology that we have right now we can generate every single frequency in any given song. – And I’ll go one further, and then scrunch it down into a millisecond. – Whoa whoa whoa, now you’re into mathematically, mathematical territory because what is the minimum amount of time required for the human brain to perceive every single frequency and can you just do it all at once? In one split second. – And there’s something about our brains and our ears in the future… Are we in the future or the present, by the way? I don’t want to throw off your thought experiment, so finish your thought. – I’m using music as an analogy, to try to ascertain whether or not your perspective is correct about… You’re basically saying that you cannot be surprised, you can surprised, but you would not be traumatized by the future because you’re open to all possibilities because you’re a modern man that is on this side of the technological revolution. – Yeah. – And more specifically the Internet revolution. – Yeah. – And so I’m saying that music… – And I would say on the precipice of the artificial intelligence revolution. Like, I talk, I talk to things that aren’t listening now because I talk to the freaking Google Home and the Alexa at home… – They are listening. – They are listening but now I find myself wanting to talk to my sink. – We’ve got a fact here, a team of neuroscientists from MIT has found that the human brain can process entire images that the eye sees for as little as thirteen milliseconds. – Yeah so then you start writing a song and then you scrunch it into thirteen milliseconds and in the future, somehow, our brains have been tweaked… – Tweaked? – Or they’ve been added onto with technology so that you can experience like a world of song in thirteen milliseconds. I mean, it wouldn’t traumatize me. I wouldn’t be like, “oh my gosh, “I must be burning in hell right now”. You know, what I was saying was I talk to my refrigerator by accident now. I’m like, “Okay refrigerator, make me a smoothie”. You know, its like, I haven’t actually said that but I, in the same way… – But you should, we really need that. – My kitchen sink, I touch the faucet and it turns on. I don’t have to turn the faucet on. – You know what, I’m constantly touching faucets now, because you got that faucet because I had that faucet. – That’s right, I touched your faucet and water came out of it and I was like, I’ve gotta have my own faucet to touch. – And now we’ve got that faucet at the office but you have to touch the base of this faucet where you can just touch any metal part of our faucet. – I touch everybody’s faucet now. And I’m disappointed when it doesn’t produce water. – It’s like, this thing won’t cut on. – I talk to my children and I ask them to do things. “Okay Lincoln, take out the trash”. And I’m disappointed because he’s not like Google and Alexa and Siri. – He is in a certain way because often he does something that you did not ask him to do. I mean, that’s what Alexa does for me quite often. – And we can see the future that, and we know that they’re listening, you know? We’re being served ads based on conversations that we’re having with other people. It freaks me out. – So you’re saying that there’s absolutely no future that would ultimately traumatize you. – I don’t know. – Surprise you, because you may also, I mean what if somehow you would learn that the entire world was just a figment of your imagination. – As long as its mine. – You should look this up, cause some people, there’s a pretty good theory that the entire world is just Ed Sheeran’s dream. This is a really interesting theory. And just go with me here. And I’m sorry if you’re an Ed Sheeran fan, you’re gonna be insulted here in a second. Now, I’m not saying that I’m, I don’t consider myself and Ed Sheeran fan, I think he’s a talented guy, I think that he’s got very catchy music. I think that he seems like he’s a good guy, he’s got a few too many Shrek tattoos, but whatever, a lot of people make mistakes. But, if you were to go into a coffee shop and you were to see, you got something Jacob? – Now just to clarify, Jacob don’t get in the shot Jacob, because I’m about to say that Jacob is our AI. Its just a box over there. “Okay Jacob, hand me your computer “with an Ed Sheeran article entitled “scientist confirm we are all living in Ed Sheeran’s dream.” – Yeah so this is from the Daily Mash… – Was it like the onion? – Its a joke article, but the point of this is this, and I haven’t read that article, I just had a conversation with a friend who had seen that and he thought this was a really interesting theory. Put yourself in a situation where you go into a coffee shop ten years ago and you go in there and there’s Ed Sheeran. Ed Sheeran before he’s Ed Sheeran, he’s just a dude. – Before he’s famous. – And he’s playing an Ed Sheeran song on the acoustic guitar and he’s doing some like singing and some interesting rapping, sort of white dude rapping kind of thing. And you’re like, this guy’s pretty good. “Hey honey, we should give him a tip”. You know what I’m saying? That’s how you would respond to see Ed Sheeran ten years ago at a cafe, right? – Yeah I’m tempted to buy his CD but I know if I do, I’ll listen to it and I’ll be disappointed. – It won’t be as good as it was live, or whatever. – So this internal dialogue is going to end with me not buying his CD. – Right, now, go into the same coffee shop, Beyonce is in there. You’d be like, whoa whoa whoa whoa what, what. Who is this woman, why is she at this coffee shop? She’s got so much talent in her little finger. She shouldn’t be in a coffee shop, she should be on stage in front of millions of people. She’s amazing, this is crazy, this is a once in a lifetime talent. That’s how you would respond to seeing Beyonce in a coffee shop. But the fact is, is that Ed Sheeran, not Beyonce, was the number one most downloaded artist on Spotify last year. Isn’t that right? Look that up, I think I’m right about that. He sells out arenas just like Beyonce does. So many people are led to believe that a normal dude with a normal level of musical… Okay, he’s an exceptionally talented person… – Well you know what, Frodo destroyed the one ring. – Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah but that’s a movie. Exactly, that didn’t happen in real life, that’s a freaking story out of Tolkien’s mind. – It was really Sam, which was even worse. – Yeah so you’re playing right into this because the story that we all want to tell is that the underdog wins, right? The underdog we see in movies, that isn’t what you always see in real life. But Ed Sheeran is the classic example of just the normal dude dominating and so it could be true that this is just me and you and this whole conversation are just a figment of Ed Sheeran’s imagination in the world where he decided he was going to be the man. Most streamed artist on Spotify, Ed Sheeran. Confirmed fact! You tell me how we don’t know that we’re not a figment of Ed Sheeran’s imagination. – Well the most viewed channel on YouTube is a kid talking about toys. – I feel like I can explain that though. Cause a lot of children are left just in front of a computer screen and they love to watch unboxing videos of their peers talking about toys and parents just leave YouTube on just endlessly. That’s why so much of the YouTube algorithm, or not algorithm but what’s popular on YouTube is so driven by kid’s tastes. I can understand that, I can explain that. But I can’t explain Ed Sheeran. – But the only explanation is that he’s, this is his world. – I’m just saying that its plausible. You cannot tell me that its impossible that we are not just a figment of Ed Sheeran’s imagination. No way to prove it. And it makes sense that he would have, just like Ed Sheeran, Ed Sheeran if this were just all his imagination, within that imagination he would have two dudes on the Internet right now talking about how this was all his imagination because that’s the perfect play, the perfect play. Its the perfect way to throw you off of his trail. We are being pawned, we are pawns, we are Ed Sheerans’ pawns right now having this conversation, perpetuating this idea that we’re a figment of his imagination because we are a figment of his imagination. – If that’s true, we should keep talking about Ed Sheeran and how this is not his world. So that he will continue to make us more popular. – Well this makes me think about the thing that we were talking about the other day which is we talk often about whether or not we are in a simulation and how there’s really no way to prove it and recently some scientists said that they proved that we are not in a simulation and I read the science in just one article and I was not convinced, I was not convinced. But the theory goes that at some point in a civilization’s timeline they will have the ability to generate a reality, a virtual reality that is indistinguishable from reality. And if that’s gonna happen, its gonna happen millions of times and in any given civilization will be able to do it millions of times the only limitation is their computing power. – And Andy Serkis will be really busy. – Right, and that means that just statistically speaking that we’re probably in one of those simulations because there’s gonna be that many more simulations than there are realities, right? And so I’ve been thinking about that and then I was like, what if we are in a simulation right now but we’re essentially avatars and we are playing a game, we were talking about this the other day. There’s a real being that’s controlling me, this avatar, you that avatar. – Matrix situation? – And life is essentially a computer game that we’re all playing and somebody’s keeping score. The game master, God, whoever you wanna call that. And there’s a way to beat the game and I was sitting in my hot tub a couple weeks ago, and I was like, what if the way you break out of the simulation is just saying that you know its a simulation and saying that you want to get out of it. If there was some sort of way that you could be like okay guy, I know its a simulation, I’m ready to get out. – Okay well… – I was in my hot tub… – (babbles) Can I, right now, can I please ask you not to continue this story? (laughter) I don’t want you to tell them what you told me. I don’t want them to know what you did next. – Do you remember what I did next/ – I remember what you did next. – I was just about to say what I did next. – I know and I don’t know, okay fine tell them. – I was basically saying it. I just said, out loud, I know this is a simulation and I’m ready to get out. – He said it out loud. – And I’m still here, so…. – You actually tried it. – I did, so either… – You didn’t have to tell anybody you did that. – No, I did… – You didn’t have to tell me. – That’s what Ear Biscuits are about man. – Listen, your secret was safe with me dude. I was never going to tell anybody. – That’s what Ear Biscuits are about. Okay, but let me tell you what I learned by saying that. – You could probably cover it up right now. You could back up and you could say you know what… – I don’t want to back up. – You know what, I thought it would be funny to say out loud but I didn’t. – Because I learned for everybody that A, that is not the way out of the simulation, okay, I’ve confirmed that’s not how you get out. – He’s learned it for everybody. – So don’t try it, you don’t have to try it. – It is a low, low moment. – Or B, we’re not in a simulation. I mean those are the two options. But I tend to think we’re in one and I just don’t know the way out. Maybe you’ve got to learn a different language. – Maybe you have to talk someone else into doing it and then you both… – Hold hands? Yeah. – Come on let’s do it man. I’ll do it. – Wouldn’t it be so awesome if we’re recording a podcast in the simulation right now… – And we were the ones. and all of a sudden the headphones just fall to the ground because we leave and that is broadcast back to the people in the simulation. – Like Obi-Wan? – Yes, hold my hand. Just do it, hold my hand. Now we need to say our names and we need to be in agreement and we need to have faith, okay? – Faith shouldn’t have anything to do with it. – No, this is like Indiana Jones man. This is like throwing the sand out. You’ve gotta take the step. – Well if it is about faith… – Hold my freaking hand! – If it is about faith, you shouldn’t throw the sand out. That always bumped me, why did he throw the sand out, that’s not faith. – Well, faith’s gotta be based on something. You know, it can’t just be blind. You’ve gotta throw some sand out. Here’s the sand, its my hand. Hold it, man. – Well that’s the part that doesn’t make sense. – Let’s say “We are Rhett and Link”. – For the fresh listeners, I’m currently holding his hand. – And we’re gonna say “We are Rhett and Link “and we know we are in a simulation “and we want out now”. – Do we know if we want out? – Just think about how cool it will be if we figure out that we’re in one and we get out. Come on, man! – I’m afraid. – Here we go. Do you want me to repeat what we’re gonna say or you got it? – I got it. We are Link and Rhett We are Rhett and Link – Come on man. – Can I be first for this? – I think that’ll screw it up, that’s fine, we can be Link and Rhett for this, that’s fine. As long as we get out. – They’re gonna think (mumbles) – And let’s say we are. – We are, we two guys are Link and Rhett. – And just say the and really clearly so it doesn’t sound like Lincoln Rhett. – Right Like a guy named Lincoln Rhett – We two guys are Link and Rhett. – Here we go. [Together] – We two guys are Link and Rhett and we… [Together] – we know we are in a simulation. – And we want out now, okay let’s start over. [Together] – We two guys are… – It’s tough, its tough, its a habit man. Its years of saying it the right way. Alright here we go. [Together] – We two guys are Link and Rhett and we know we are in a simulation and we want out, now! – Maybe it takes a second. You didn’t have enough faith, man. – Or now! – You didn’t take it seriously, I could feel it in your hand. – Well the sweat is from your hand. – Maybe next year. – Why are you disappointed, actually? Hold on, this is the moment we celebrate. – That this is reality? – Yeah its just like, what you had said a second ago was don’t worry about it, I figured it out, this is not a simulation. – Its too simple, though. There’s no way that’s the way out. There’s no way that’s the way out, there’s gotta be like a little door somewhere in like an old shack. – It doesn’t look like there’s any power or anything going to the shack but then you open it up and there’s wires and stuff. – Yeah, follow the wires. Well, I tried, I definitely tried. – My Middle Ages college professor was Dr. Riddle and um… – Why’d you take that class, by the way? – I was taking summer classes, this was when Christy went to the west coast, you went to Slovakia, me and Matt Newkirk went to the gym and I took some summer classes. – Got bulked up. – And look, he talked like this and he was very boring but occasionally he would tell a story about the Middle Ages and he told a story… – He was that old? – He was very old. – He was a thousand years old? – He was from the Middle Ages. He told a story about, I guess it was a legend, about a guy, I don’t know if he was a thinker, philosopher, what he was, priest, munk, I wish I could remember, I don’t retain much information, but I do remember that the story goes that he decided to go to a point in town and never move. And he would crap there, when you don’t leave, you’ve gotta use the bathroom there. And over many years, and many deposits, he created a tower of his own poop. – That he sat upon. – That he sat upon. – It sounds like a fable but I believe that its true. – It sounds like grim fairytales, but you believe its true? Yeah so it was a guy in the Middle Ages who supposedly did this. – He was like David Blaine. – Yeah. But it wasn’t like a weekend in New York City, it was his whole life. – His whole life. And the story had no point, that I recall. – Well the point is the big pile of poop that he was on. – But I was riveted by it so I asked Dr. Riddle if I could meet him at his office and interview him. – Yeah that was the summer that you had the hand held recorder and you recorded a lot of things. – And I got him to retell that story and many other Middle Ages anecdotes that I’ve never gone back to – Riveting. The tape, you know when we were writing the book I was looking through a lot of archival stuff that I’ve kept and I felt sure I would’ve kept the tape but I never kept it. I never found it so I guess I must’ve lost it along the way. I wish I had that tape. (laughter) – That’s it? – That’s it, well I don’t know why… – Well I think we can draw many conclusions from this. – I bet there’s something to be learned from that because it sprung up in my mind and I just thought it was important to tell the story. – Well one conclusion is… with no point in mind. You’ve gotta keep moving or else, unless you want to sit on your own poop. You’ve gotta keep moving. You can’t stay in the same place for too long. Get a bed sore, or you just sit on your own poop. – Well I think analogistly, that is a word. – Maybe. It relates to the whole question. – Oh back to the question. – You know you can’t stay where you are because you’ll just be sitting in a pile of your own crap. It will not end well for you, you’ll be high atop your own crap. You’ve gotta be as open as you can so you can decrease your chances of being plopped into a place in the future where you’re gonna freak out and become shell shocked. A shell of a person. Is there something we can do to not be this Middle Ages guy. And is that a virtue. – Well I think what you’re saying is that if you want to boil this down to a life lesson is that what you’re trying to do? – I’m trying to bring it full circle and answer Nutsa Koreli’s question. – Well to make it practical… Well we’ve already answered the question. But to make it practical, if you can get to a certain threshold in your own mind where you are willing to be open to the possibilities of all your disparate futures so that nothing that happens to you, no matter how good, no matter how bad, will be traumatizing, traumatizing in quotes, because sometimes its just gonna be traumatizing, literally physically, you get a horrible disease or you’re in an accident, – Sure. things that we can’t avoid. But can you get your mind to a place where regardless of what the future holds, you can take it in stride. That is the lesson of the question of Nutsa Koreli. Are we staying that right? Or is it Nutsa? Nutsa, I like to say Nutsa. – I don’t know, this print out does not have a pronunciation guide. – Don’t be a closed minded, Middle Ages man who would be traumatized by a step 1000 years into the future. How do we do that? We realize that we’re all in the simulation, most likely the figment of Ed Sheeran’s imagination and therefore if Ed Sheeran can think it, it could happen to you and Ed Sheeran can think of a lot of things because he mixes rap with folk. (laughter) – (babbles) There was not an ounce of my, there was no just an inkling of myself that thought that maybe we’d pop out of a simulation. I mean, I thought it was fun that we did it, but maybe that’s what kept us from it. – Exactly, I had a seed, I had a seed of faith. – Well I will say… – I had a point one percent… – If you’re sitting there all alone and you audibly said that… I keep going back to that, its hilarious to me. What if I would’ve decided to stop by and you didn’t know I was coming over. – Well you’ve had to sneak up on me cause I kind of know who’s at the pool. – Yeah and I came back there and I just happened to be walking through. – I had my eyes open. – Or if Jessie was walking through, behind you. – She wouldn’t be surprised. – And all of a sudden, she just heard you out of the blue just audibly say, what, how did you put it? – I know I’m in a simulation and I want out now. – See, for me its, if I got to the point where I knew I was in a simulation, what I would say was “I know I’m in a simulation, “and I’m good with it.” (laughter) – Well then its not worth saying at all. If you can’t transition out of it then its not worth acknowledging. – No, I think that isn’t, couldn’t that be a way forward, like we’re talking about? – Well what you’re really talking about is the morphous scene in the Matrix where he’s in the white world where he’s given the option to take the red pill or the blue pill – Yeah, take the pill. And you can either take the red pill and get out of the Matrix or you can take the blue pill and go back in and you’re saying that simply asking the question… – Must’ve been a good movie if we’re still talking about it. Think about that, at the time. – And here’s a funny thing, at the time it seemed so revolutionary. Like, how can this even, like I didn’t even… – Well Matrix Revolution seemed so revolutionary. – I didn’t even get it the first time I saw it. I didn’t even understand fully what was happening. It wasn’t until the second time that I really began to realize that the real world implications that the story had. But the thing is that people like Arthur C. Clarke or Isaac Asimov have been, they’ve been thinking about this kind of stuff for a long time. – And then they died. – Yup. And they didn’t figure it out. – They got close though. – I wonder if they were pretty frustrated people. – I don’t think so. I don’t know, I didn’t know them personally. I’m sad, it’s a sad simulation. (laughter) – I’m not sad. I’m pretty happy. – And I wanna be clear, just in closing, I wanna be clear that when I said I want out now, I wasn’t saying that I don’t like this simulation. I love the simulation, you know. – You wanna shake the hand of the man who’s making the simulation, or woman. – I’m having a great time, I’m having a great time in this simulation but just the thought that there is a more grounded reality. You know I’m a sucker for truth, right? And so even if the truth is unpleasant, even if the truth makes me feel uncomfortable. I tend to try to move towards it. And so I think that if there is a more grounding reality underneath this reality, even if… I mean think about it… – That could help you appreciate, like if there was a positive motive for the simulation to be created. – Well, again… – It’s like, oh now I see why there’s a simulation because this truth is horrible. – I don’t want to keep going back to the Matrix but that’s the whole point of the movie. – Yeah, it is. – You’ve got the guy who turns on them and starts killing them because he likes it, he likes the steak that he’s eating. It’s good, its real to him. But then Morpheus’s whole idea is that no, the reality will set you free. The truth is more important than just giving yourself over to the simulation because ultimately when you follow the truth, wherever the truth leads, you and mankind will ultimately be better off. I have to believe that, I have to believe that, right/ – No you do not. – I don’t have to believe it but I choose to believe it. – And you could also be wrong. – Yeah but, you know. So you’re saying that I might be in a weird gelatinous pod right now and waking up in that choking on my amniotic fluid is not a reality that I really want to experience? – Yeah, we could simulate that within the simulation and then see how you feel, let’s do that. Let’s Inception the Matrix. – Oh, now you’re talking. – Yeah. Now you’re talking. We’re gonna have to get a sleeping bag and some slime. – And while we’re at it, let’s add in a few Transformers. – No, no, no, no, no, no, nobody needs that. Well I think we’ve solved something today. Hopefully we answered your question, Nutsa. – And if you didn’t like this one, there’ll be another one next week coming right at ya and it’ll be different. I don’t know how, we won’t talk about the same stuff. – Yeah. Um but let us know, what you think, let’s continue this conversation with you, mythical beasts. Hashtag ear biscuits. – Yes, let us know your perspective on the stuff that we talked about. Maybe we’ll engage on Twitter. (laughter) I’m not gonna make specific promises, but I’m saying that there’s a distinct possibility that I or Link or both of us will engage on Twitter. You wanna engage on Twitter? – Yeah, yeah let’s do it. – Hashtag ear biscuits. (upbeat music) [Rhett] – To hear this Ear Biscuit in its entirety and make sure you don’t miss an episode follow the links in the description to subscribe on Apple Podcasts or anywhere else podcasts are available. [Link] – To watch more Ear Biscuits click on the playlist on the right. [Rhett] – To watch more of our daily show, Good Mythical Morning, click the playlist on the left. [Link] – And don’t forget to click the circular icon to subscribe. [Rhett] – Thanks for being your mythical best.