Before we get started, we wanna remind you that this is the last episode before we take three weeks off so three week break, opportunity for you to listen to some older Ear Biscuits, maybe one you missed or your favorite one. And we’ll be back on August 19th, right after we get back from our big vacations that we will fill you in all about. Welcome to Ear Biscuits, I’m Rhett. And I’m Link. This week at the round table of dim lighting, we ask the question are we too nice? Hmm. Are we too nice? You mean like Too Nice, like the old, wasn’t there a musician named Too Nice? There was a rapper named D-Nice. Ah, there wasn’t a Too Nice with like a Too and then a Nice? My name is D-Nice. I remember your brother owned that CD. I thought that was Denice. And it wasn’t that memorable. See, Jacob said there was a Too Nice. There’s also a Too Nice? Well look up D-Nice because the letter D, the space which is a space and then the word Nice. ‘Cause Too Nice doesn’t sound like a cool name for a musician. You don’t wanna be too nice– D dash Nice. D dash Nice. D dash Nice. Oh I know, Cole had that CD and I’d go into his room when I was going over to your house. He had it all. Hanging out with you. You didn’t even have a CD player. He had a CD player, man, and he had rap CDs and I’d go in there and I’d listen to him. I’d listen to them. Listen to him. Well I’d listen to him talk about his CDs and occasionally he’d play them. He had much better music taste than you did. Well he was, I think he also was– It’s the older brother syndrome. Older brother, yeah, it’s like I technically had access to his library. I knew it was all being handed down to me at some point. Yeah but you couldn’t play it though because you didn’t have a CD player. I eventually had a CD player. Of course eventually you did. But I had a tape player for a long time. There was a weird moment when he transitioned to CDs where I was a little bit left in the dark. But also we had thin walls in the house and we shared a wall so I kind of listened to muffled D-Nice. Did you ever talk to him through the wall? I mean I never, I know this is not what we’re talking about but we’re talking about it. This relates to my dream . It’s kinda funny. Your dream? I have to tell you the dream I had that you were in. All right so we’re gonna talk about are we too nice. It is a question that we’ve asked ourselves– I did talk to him. And each other many times– Through the wall. But first your dream. I yelled at him through the wall and vice versa. Shut up! That kinda thing, you know. That’s ironic. But there was no prison sort of communication between the two walls. And the reason I say prison is because that’s what my dream was about and I believe and my wife pointed this out when I told her about this dream. She said the reason you dreamed this is because of that question that we got in the live LTAT at VidCon where the question was who would survive better in prison? And your answer was not me. I just said I don’t think Linky Poo would do too well. In prison. In prison. I didn’t know what you meant by that. I think most people do. That wasn’t very nice. Yeah I’m not Too Nice, man. I’m D-Nice. Okay so I had a dream that you were in prison and you were in prison– For murder. Oh crap. I knew no details. All I knew is that you had been falsely accused. Oh good. And I don’t know if it was because I just knew in your character so well that you’re not capable of murder but I just think that the pretense– Don’t think Linky Poo’s capable of murder. The pretense in the dream was that I was going to talk to you about how we were going to get you out legally, not break you out but I was like, this is a false accusation so for some reason the prison was in Keith Hills. So the golf course, the gated neighborhood, slash golf course that was next to where we both grew up in Buies Creek. That we’re going to next week. We’re going to visit and– So all this is on your mind. Yes. Maybe there is a, I know they expanded the golf course. I have not heard that they added a prison. Well golfers can be very, very disorderly sometimes. They break clubs and stuff, it would be nice to have a detention center for them. So you were on your way to the prison which was in the golf course. I got, no, I was at the prison. And the prison was near the river. The prison was basically where we’re going to be next week, in that area where Cinder Morgan’s old house was. Okay. And so I go and my mission is to talk to you about like, dude we’ve gotta get a lawyer. We need to engage, we have to try to fight this, and you were completely disengaged. It was like– I’d settled in. You had completely settled in, you were like– See, I’d do well in prison. Well you do well– I make myself right at home. You do well in golf prison. You do well in golf prison, but– Did it have golf course accoutrements? No it was– Or was there like– It was like, well, I’ll explain it. It was almost like it was just a building. Maybe with a gate. Low security. Like a medium to low security prison for murder. And– Who did I kill supposedly? I don’t have the details of the murder. It didn’t register with me, I just knew that you were innocent and I was like I gotta talk to Link about this but when I began talking to you about it, again, you were not responsive to the idea of challenging this. Was I dejected or was I happy? What was my state? You were indifferent, you were disengaged and I was very mad. I was very upset with you. Yeah ’cause I did wanna get into also your emotional state ’cause I think this could be revealing. So before I made you angry, what was your emotional state? Were you crying or were you– The beginning of the dream at least as far as I remember was I am at golf prison and I’ve gotta figure this out, I gotta get Link out of here. It was just very much just that was it and then I go in there and start talking to you in the area where you can talk to prisoners. You have on an orange shirt, orange jumpsuit. Was there– No I’m saying– Was there glass? I’m sitting at a table with you. Okay. And– But no touching. And I was like hey man, you didn’t do this. We gotta get your story out there and you just weren’t saying anything. You were kinda just looking at me like why are you so upset about this? So then, the door opens. Oh. And I’m like this isn’t just the door to the room opens and there’s a hall, no the door opens and there’s just woods. It’s like– Oh yeah. Not a well designed prison. The door opens and we can totally get out. Was there music and a special light like ♪ Ah ♪ That doesn’t happen in my dreams. So I looked at you and I was like let’s go. Because what was happening in my brain was we gotta go through this long legal procedure to get him out. He’s not even on board. Were you thinking about content? Were you thinking about our careers or were you just thinking about our friendship? I really need to know, Rhett. I can make up an answer. Be honest. That would make you feel a certain way. No. No no I’m saying I don’t know. Oh, oh. It’s a dream. It’s a fragmented reality, you know what I’m saying. It was probably all wrapped up together. So– I was probably thinking like prison content. The funny thing is is as you… It took you a second to be like okay I’m gonna go but you ran out after me. And my old Dodge Intrepid that I drove at the end of high school and the beginning of college was the car that I was driving because that’s how these things happen in dreams. And I just get into the Intrepid and start driving and you are running after the Intrepid. Like catching a train? So in other words, I’m running away without the guy that I’m trying to get out of prison. It’s like where am I going? I just visited prison, I don’t have to leave in a hurry. It seemed that I had a motivation issue so you really needed to, needed to get me off the dime. Then you’re running next to the car and then I’m like get into the car. And you’re like but my shirt is messed up. What? And I look and the sleeves of your orange jumpsuit are detached and you’ve taped them on and you’re trying to get the tape right. That’s important. Can’t get into a getaway vehicle– And I’m like– If your sleeves are not perfect. I’m like don’t worry about the jumpsuit! Get in the Intrepid! Ironically it would have been better to shed the jumpsuit. You don’t wanna be driving around town in an Intrepid with a prison uniform on. Did it have golf insignias or anything on it? No golf relation. There was nothing related to golf. Did I get in? You got in. We start driving down that part of the circle in Keith Hills and we’re driving towards Wiggin’s old house, coming around that way. The big house. Well I guess prison’s a big house but he had a large house. And apparently the security response is incredibly quick ’cause literally we’ve been out of prison for 17 seconds and there’s already cops with teams of dogs– Wow. Cops with teams of dogs coming through the yards along all the houses right there on the river. Just coming out of the woodwork. And we just drive by them. Slow? Yeah, we didn’t wanna draw any attention. Just keep it cool. I wanted to make sure they saw your orange sleeves. That guy’s sleeves are in tact. Well they’re taped a little bit, nah, doesn’t seem suspicious. Now and as is the case with a lot of dreams that reach a real point of excitement like that, I woke up at that moment. You woke up. Then the weirdest thing happened. Now this was Saturday night. I ended up staying Saturday night because Locke ended up having some games in Anaheim, basketball games so I was like oh, I’ve already got the hotel room, I’ll just say at VidCon for another day. So this dream woke me up at about five o’clock in the morning. Mm-hmm. Now I had every reason and intention to go back to sleep but the thing that I could not stop thinking about is how to get away from the cops. While you were awake? I was awake. And I was literally, I was trying to go back to sleep and as I would go back to sleep, the thing that I would almost begin dreaming about was picking up the chase where it left off and what I was gonna do, like a choose your own adventure. And I went through all these things, I was like, well they’re definitely trying to drive out. There’s only one way out of the gate. They’re gonna have the gate barricaded, we can’t get out so what we should have done is we should have gone down to the river and I was like should we have crossed the river? No ’cause they would find us, they’ve got helicopters and stuff and I was like no, what we should have done, ’cause we should have waited until it was night and then we should have gotten into a canoe and gone way down the river and then we should have gotten out of the river at one of those places where there was a little hut for fishing and hunting that sometimes people build on the river. Yeah. And then let the boat continue to go down the river so they’ll find the boat miles down the river and so they won’t be able, I thought about this for 45 minutes. Might have thought we, that we did, you find the canoe, it’s broken up on some rapids. Oh they drowned, yeah. But really we’re just livin’ large in some little catfish hut. Could have taken off the jumpsuit or at least the sleeves, put ’em in the river, like oh. He either lost his arms, his sleeves or he dissolved. Yeah you gotta throw some articles of clothing– So you were thinking all of this. Trying to go back to sleep, not wanting to think it but I was like if I don’t figure out the best way to get away from the cops at the golf prison, I’m not gonna be able to get good sleep and when I figured out I think it’s canoeing at night, then I was like okay and I went back to sleep. Haven’t thought about it since. I don’t think we ever actually canoed at night. Did we? Of all the canoeing that we did on the Cape Fear River– No, I did a lot of– I don’t recall any night canoeing. A lot of night fishing, night fishing, and we did a lot of night river crossing. Yeah. ‘Cause sometimes we would get down there too late or whatever. It’s dangerous to be, I mean you need to have a spotlight I would think in order to navigate any rapids or whatever. I also wonder is there, I bet you there is a golf prison somewhere in the world and it’s probably Sweden. Isn’t that where the really posh prisons are? Is that one of the Scandinavian– Scandinavian prisons in general are nice. Norwegian prisons are nice. Are golf courses nice in Scandinavia? Why am I asking you? I would think so, why would they be bad? ‘Cause it’s cold. It’s icy, it gets snowy up there. But it’s not always snowy. Under the snow there’s a nice golf prison. It only opens in the summer and then in the winter, we send the prisoners to the ski resort prison. That’s what they do. I don’t know how it works. But if I am ever gonna kill somebody, it will be in Scandinavia. I do think if I went to prison, our working relation, this is how it would play out. You would have to do all the thinking. I mean, I’m not gonna sit in there like the Hurricane and try to figure out my own defense and start writing letters to– I see that. To advocates who can come in and get me out of prison. You’ll just be like well– Well. This is just how it is man. Don’t worry so much about it. I’ve already started etching how many days I’m here on my cell and I’ve started way up here in the corner. So I don’t wanna run out of space. I’d be thinking things like that. Right. You gotta think strategic. You don’t wanna start etching the days on your cell right in the middle and then what are you gonna do, a spiral pattern? No you gotta start in an upper right-hand corner. I don’t think they let you do that anymore and I also don’t think it’s necessary ’cause I think you just ask the guard what’s the date and he just tells you. Or you ask your caddy at the golf prison. It’s like how many yards to my release? Do I need a three iron to get out of here? Is that a thing, a three iron? No three iron is a thing, yeah. It’s nine irons. I wonder how it would impact the prison. Is that true, are there nine irons? Well it just depends on what bag you’re in but yeah. Nine iron is the highest numbered iron. Okay, see, I know stuff. There are as many as three or four irons of increasing waft above that that are called pitching wedge and sand wedge and lock wedge and gap wedge and things like that. And then some people like my father and me by the way, we don’t play with a three iron, we play with a three hybrid. It’s for people who need a little bit more help because it’s hard to hit those long irons. These are the kinda conversations I’m having in prison by the way. Well I’m gonna teach– I’m a gang leader, I’m a golf gang leader. I’m gonna teach golf in golf prison. Oh that’s your in. That’s how I get into the prison. Then you’re sneaking over there and digging a hole for me. With a three iron ’cause I don’t use it, I might use it to hit a golf ball with. Christy and I– The shovel. Christy and I got in a little kerfuffle about in the wake of the earthquakes and we were talking about the dynamic of why she’s gathering all this earthquake stuff and ordering it and I was like, she’s baffled by my… Just like I was acting in golf prison, just kinda, okay, it’ll be fine. If I ignore the fact I’m in golf prison I think it’ll be okay. And I’m like– Where’s that come from? I don’t know, I think it’s– It’s your coping mechanism. I don’t know what the word is, if it’s codependency or if it’s just laziness but when you were ordering all that apocalypse stuff and I was like hey, can you just double your order? You graciously did and I felt good about that. It feels good knowing that someone else is worrying about it and I said, “Christy it’s not that “I don’t think it’s valid, it’s that I think that, “I trust you, I know that you’re very attuned “to the dangers associated with it and being prepared “as much as possible.” So I know I don’t have to worry about that. I have this, to a fault, I have this heightened sense of brain power allocation. And if I start allocating brain power to earthquake or apocalypse preparedness, that’s less I’ve got to allocate towards something else like perfectly optimizing our vacation plans. So that was my response to Christy, I was like, you got this, girl. And I got this, girl. So let’s not, there’s no implied judgment here, but it does make me look a little stupid where it’s like– You looked pretty stupid in the dream, yeah. Well I think it was the sleeves. It was the sleeves. They didn’t help. I mean they were taped. You shouldn’t have taped ’em. You should have just gone sleeveless because that’s a look that I think would work in golf prison. Right, you really assert yourself. Has there ever been a golfer and I’m not talking about in prison– I think it’s– Sleeveless? I think it’s against the dress code. They got a dress code? Yeah I think– Golf and tennis, they need to loosen up. You have to have your shirt tucked in. I don’t know. Basketball players have to tuck their shirt in but I think that there’s something to do with safety. I think it’s just respecting the game. And defense. It’s really just respect. You don’t have to wear– It’s control. Well you don’t, and I think Tiger was– It’s old farts trying to seem like they– Well no, I don’t necessarily think so. I think it’s just, it’s a tradition but I think Tiger wears that mock turtleneck a lot of times, he wears red on Sunday. And that’s pushing the limits? I don’t recall specifically but my guess is is that it must have been controversial when he decided to wear that the first time. It’s like oh he doesn’t have a collar. Maybe there was a discussion about the rules at that point, I don’t know, somebody look that up. His shirt doesn’t button and it creeps up to the bottom of his Adam’s apple. It’s almost a turtleneck but it kinda feels like it’s just pretending to be a turtleneck. Let’s call it a mock turtleneck. Okay well that’s not what we’re gonna talk about. We’re not gonna talk anymore about golf and turtlenecks and prison or golf prison, we’re gonna talk about whether or not we’re too nice and how that relates to some personal things and also some professional things. But first we wanna let you know, you think you can grab that pin? You think you can reach all the way and grab that? Yeah. You ready? Yeah. Look at that. This is the Mythical Society pin, Semper Curiosus. Which second and third tier members of the Mythical Society got when they signed up. We’re making it available to everyone in the Mythical Society. I didn’t say, you thought I was gonna say everyone. Everyone in the Mythical Society at Mythical.store but you’re gonna be, at the Mythical Store, there’s going to be– For purchase. A code that you can, I don’t exactly know how it is but if you’re on the Society, you will know how to get to the listing at Mythical.store and then how to buy it. Cool little pin. Check out the Mythical Society. Sign up. I guarantee you’ll love it. Wow that’s quite a guarantee. If you don’t you can always quit it but I betcha that won’t happen. That’s your right though. This pin is really cool and we got other cool pins on the Mythical Store. That Cotton Candy Randy pin, man. I’ve seen some pictures of that thing and his legs are gonna jump out and whisper in your ear. It’s a great design. Yeah. Mythical.store. Are we too nice? I really don’t know where this conversation’s gonna go. Maybe we can tee it up with… It is true that we do find ourselves asking that question at times. There’s different ways to look at this. I’m gonna let you start in where you want. I’m just kinda setting the table. ‘Cause I think that there’s our public persona, like part of our brain is that we’re nice guys. But I’d like to, so we can explore that. And it’s not just public, it’s, I do like to believe that it’s private. And then obviously we can explore the personal nature of yeah, I think we’re nice guys. Well my most– Not ’cause we’re southern. Is that just– I think it’s part of it. What are the reasons? We talked at some point about our conflict avoidance and how that was sort of a deeply southern thing. I think some of it is related to that and for me the most interesting aspect of this conversation is professionally and how it relates to our content but I do, because it’s so fresh, I do and it’s very relevant, I wanna tell the story that happened before my dream and was probably the meal that I was digesting when I had my dream. Okay. Which is a Saturday night dinner with my family. Now I’ve never taken my entire family to VidCon. And this was the first time that that had happened. They came in a little bit late and it turns out Locke had a couple of basketball games in Anaheim that we had to stick around for, I think I already said this. Just told os many people now, I’m repeating things. But so we spent the night on Saturday night and we were gonna go grab some dinner and I was like, we should do something that’s not super close to VidCon because there’ll be a bunch of people from VidCon and technically you’re not even really supposed to, we’re not supposed to be out and about anywhere near VidCon, it’s a security concern, right, so they don’t even let us do it. And if you do, that’s another night where you have to be nice. You have to manufacture niceness for fans. Right. Because you’re so mean in real life which we’ll get to later. And so you know that restaurant Roy’s? There’s one in Pasadena. It’s a Hawaiian place. Never heard of it. I’ve seen it around, it’s a chain that I think is not, it doesn’t’ go outside of California. Maybe it does, I don’t know. But we wanted to go there. A Hawaiian restaurant? It’s a Hawaiian steakhouse, like a upscale Hawaiian restaurant. Okay. So not like a Hawaiian barbecue strip mall situation. And I was like okay let’s go there and didn’t realize that it was actually very close to the convention center, it was far away from the hotel but it was close to the convention center and so I got a little bit nervous as we’re pulling up. It was kinda late, I was like there might be, so then as we’re driving, it’s sort of like an outdoor mall kind of area, I do see a lot of lanyards and I’m like, ah this is kind of a VidCon crowd and we had just done our meet and greet, and not that I don’t have a, I was actually just worried about kinda violating the rules honestly. But I was also like the kids had been here, I haven’t spent a lot of time with them and I kinda wanna just go have a nice dinner with them. So I told Jessie as we were pulling into the parking garage, I was like I’m gonna do the thing that we talked about on a previous– The Sterling K Brown. Sterling K Brown, we just call it the Sterling K Brown. That is what it is. And that is when if approached, you say I’m with my family, I’m sorry, if somebody wants a picture or somebody wants an autograph or whatever, you just say I’m sorry, I’m with my family. And that’s a very difficult thing, I don’t know if you’ve instituted that, how many times you’ve instituted that, it’s a very difficult thing for me to do because I am a nice guy, right? And also for all the reasons that we talked about in the past, I feel a sense of obligation to fans to be nice and give them a moment. Now, so I go in but I’m like I’m gonna hold to this, guys. I was like I’m gonna do the Sterling K Brown. We get out of the, and everybody’s on board, family’s on board seemingly at the time. We get out of the car, we go to the elevator that is gonna– Roy got a elevator? No no it was like there was a parking deck and then it was an outdoor mall so you gotta go from the parking deck up to the– Like dang. Roy doesn’t have an elevator that I know of. And we’re getting ready to get on the elevator. My dad has an elevator in his beach house. That’s cool. Just bragging a little. And a woman– His house is on stilts. A mom and a little girl, probably 12. Immediate test. Come up, now, I recognize at least the mom but I think both of them from the meet and greet. They had just been in the meet and greet. I have thoughts but go ahead. But I kinda didn’t remember that until after they went away to be honest with you. I was like oh crap, they were at the meet and greet. 250 people, you can’t remember everybody. I bet they remembered it. So I said, she comes up and she’s like, I saw them looking at me and I was like here we go. Little girl comes up, she’s got a bag and she’s like, “Would you please sign this?” And when you say here we go, you’re like here we go, this is a test in front of my family if I’m gonna Sterling K Brown this moment. Yeah. Okay, she had the bag. She says, “Will you please sign this?” And what’s the family configuration at this point because I think that’s important. It’s four people in my family. I know who’s in your, I mean physically where are they standing? We’re all standing outside of an elevator waiting for it to open. Okay. And I will say that no one else was around, okay? No one else was around but I had literally in the car not– Just said– 30 seconds ago said, “I’m Sterling K Browning this situation.” And I’m not going off of that. Little girl says, “Will you please sign this?” And I was like, “I’m sorry, I’m with my family.” Oh, dude. Okay okay okay. She looks a little upset, a little shocked, including the mom. But they were nice enough, when you say family they’re like okay and then they kinda just went away. We get on the elevator, Shepherd says, “Dad, that was a little girl.” I’m like… And then Locke’s like, “Yeah and nobody was around.” I’m like I’m doing this for y’all! Why you gotta criticize me? Dang. Because if you would have done it, you would have got on the elevator and you imagined it playing out as you would have turned and said hey, it was a little girl. And there was no one else around. Right, and I got so close to doing it but I was like this is the first test. And you know what, and what else, and then what did they say? Well it continued of course throughout the night. I just mean the assessment of that, was that the end of that or did they say but you know what– No no no, I said you know what– We’re glad you did it. I feel bad. I probably should have called an audible in that situation. No. I gotta read the environment better. No! But that requires too much thinking. No no no no no, listen– You think I was still right? Your boys– I’m a nice guy. Your boys– Too nice. I think they didn’t articulate what they felt which was prioritize, man. That’s the point. And you know what, you did the right thing. You did the nice thing, you were nice to those that you love the most for once. Yeah yeah that’s right. When we were walking the floor at VidCon, you asked if I’ve done the Sterling K Brown thing. Oh yeah yeah yeah. And then I’ll let you continue with your story. I’m talking with Lily because it was, the Sterling K Brown thing happened to Lily and Christy. It was like me going up to him saying, “My girls are big fans.” And then he Sterling K Browned me and I gained so much more respect for the guy who I already had so much for. Right. So Lily experienced being on the non-receiving end of a Sterling K Brown personally and then, and we had had this discussion about this can become a part of what I do. Yeah. So we’re walking around the convention floor when it’s just for creators and their families but with a lot of creators and their families want to come up to us– Yeah. And get pictures taken even in that environment. I actually checked in with you as we were going out into the– And Lily did first and she, as we’re walking in she was like, Dad, are you gonna tell ’em, you gonna Sterling K Brown these people? We should call it SKB. SKB ’em? Yeah. And I was like, I’ve already been thinking about that, yes. Because they want to go to things, they’re moving and then they turn around and I’m back taking a picture with somebody and it is very frustrating. It’s like a perfect place to SKB. And she asked me about it and I was like, yeah, I’m gonna do that and then it immediately happened. And I was like I’m here with my family and I gestured and they were walking ahead so it was actually perfect. You see how you’re holding me up right now? I’m trying to be with them. I can’t even physically be with them. It’s not like they’re standing there in an elevator thinking that I’m the one making the mistake. Right. And it felt good. And I also did it there. I saw Lily turn around and she heard me say it and then I caught up with them and there was just a little twinkle in the eye and no word needed to be said and it was like okay, you know what– Well my kids did not appreciate me in the same way. I think in their heart they might. Oh I mean, there’s a little girl. All right just go back on it then. No I’m not going back on it. And I will say that– You kept doing it? Okay in the restaurant, in the restaurant, well, on the way to the restaurant, somebody asked and I SKBed them and then in the restaurant, there was a family that was sitting there and you could see the discussion begin to happen that’s like when are we gonna go over there? They waited until our desserts had come or whatever. We got through our meal. Okay. And I guess I just lost heart by that point and they asked for a picture and I was like okay, we can get a quick one. I probably said it in a very unenthusiastic way which made them feel horrible. That sounded pretty unenthusiastic. Okay, we can get a quick one. At the end of VidCon, I’m drained unlike any– I literally had just done all of Saturday and we did the meet and greet– Oh gosh. And then– Yeah that’s tough. You know, it does take, ’cause we do try to be there for people and be present and some people have a story to tell that maybe we don’t want people to not tell us something if they’ve got something to say but unless you’re a robot it’s an emotionally draining experience and you’re kinda just ready to pull back from all that. Well if I may, I suggest that we skip from fan interactions to other types of niceties because I thought, when you were talking about Roy’s, I thought you were actually gonna talk about the most quintessential nicety which is how was your meal? Oh yeah. And I think that’s another– We did a whole podcast on that. We did a whole podcast on that one so I don’t wanna camp out there but I think, I still cannot say, tow the party line of niceness and say, ’cause here’s the deal. The opposite of nice is not mean in this conversation. The opposite of nice is not being a jerk or being cold-hearted, the opposite of nice is what? Well sometimes honesty. Honesty. And it’s so hard to do it because you just, and I think if I’m totally honest with myself now about being honest with the waiter, it’s like well, the meal wasn’t that great. I was disappointed in the so and so. It automatically, the reason why I don’t like doing it is because it just makes you seem like an entitled jerk. Kinda like talking about how you got fans and you don’t wanna be nice to ’em. Well and– That’s the risk right? And I do think– That’s why we don’t like talking about it. And sometimes, and I’m sure we talked about this when we talked about it but and sometimes it’s just not worth it but I had this happen to me when I was in North Carolina. We’re at a restaurant, just Jessie and I, and it was one of those situations, it was a waterfront restaurant, we’re sitting there, and then about 10 minutes into, all we had was drinks at the time, the waiter comes up and he’s like, “Would you guys like to move closer to the water?” And again, it’s very difficult to not take that as like, is this because they knew who I am or are they just being nice to me? And that’s a problem. It turns out it was because the manager was a fan. That’s how we got the table upgrade. What’s your point, you refused it? No no no, I took it but then, the waitress asked me what… What do you want to drink? As a second drink or whatever and I was like, the bar’s got mezcal right? I was like, I asked for a mezcal sour which thanks to our good friend Jayden, he introduced me to that drink and I really like it. Mezcal’s one of my favorite liquors. Smoky. And you could see on her face that immediately she didn’t really know exactly what I was talking about, maybe hadn’t heard that before. Uh-oh. But she was like I think the bartender will be able to figure something out to bring me a drink, long story short, I drank it, the drink was really not good at all and when she came back and asked, “How’s that drink?” I was like, “You know–” Oh you did it? “It’s not great.” You did it! Yeah. Man. Just listen to the personal growth on this podcast. But here’s the thing, I felt like a. Your face really scrunched up even when you retold it. Because I had gotten a table upgrade. Yeah. Just take what you can get at this point, man. But the thing is is that I kinda wanted her to know that if somebody orders this drink and you give them this, they ain’t gonna be happy. That ain’t it. What did she say? And she was like, “Oh, okay.” Oh. And but here’s where the nice guy came, I was like, “I’ll probably drink it.” And I did. I’ll probably drink it? I kept drinking it. That’s odd. I know, man. Too nice. Well okay, this morning. Too Nice. My name is D-Nice. My name is D-Nice. That’s kinda the rhythm of the song if I remember it correctly. Yeah I’m doing the Too Nice stuff, you can do the D-Nice stuff. I had to Uber in this morning. I was texting you, I was like, “Can I get a ride?” I was working out, man. Like nothing. And my Apple Watch battery dies. I’m looking at the phone– I can’t get any texts– It’s like nothing. When I’m working out. You were texting Stevie. I was on a three-way with you and Stevie and you were texting her and then I’m on this other thread like right below it and I’m like, “Can I get a ride?” Nothing, and I’m like, what’s going on? And then I’m like question mark, send. I did see that. And then you’re like still talking to Stevie, you’re talking about being at the gym, you were ghosting my ride text. I did not see– And then you were like, “I actually Ubered.” I didn’t see any of your texts. Why are you ghosting me? What I was doing is I would check in in between like– If I were in golf prison. I was working out and then I had to take a shower. I gotta have faith. And then– You’re gonna come through for me, man. I never saw it until the very end, ’til I got through with my shower. You had to Uber in too. Yeah ’cause our cars were here. Man. I hate riding in cars where other people are driving. Because I’m so much better at it than everybody. I just don’t know why… I’m sure I’ll get into it later, like teaching Lily to drive so I’ll leave that out of this. That’s a whole other podcast. But I just prime myself on being a smooth driver. People don’t know how to stop and go, they don’t. They really don’t, they don’t think, you need to drive that you’ve got an egg. If you– Balancing on the dashboard. Yes. Okay? That’s how you make an enjoyable ride. The DMV should sell those. Yeah, you break the egg, you lose your license. Well you know what, I’m gonna carry one around and whenever I’m in a car that’s being chauffeured– You break this egg, I give you two stars. Like an Uber. The Uber egg. Yes. The Uber egg. Yeah. Uber should sell it. Or Lyft. The Lyft egg, that just sounds like you’re stealing an egg though. Okay. Could be called the ride share egg. We were riding in an Uber to the airport and I’m like if you’re a professional driver, you should be able to drive professionally. I mean you should be good at it. But nobody gets into the details– I get car sick, man. Of that stopping and going. I get car sick. They don’t ever– In the backseat. No one teaches that and no one is honest about it. And I also am a control freak, yes. It’s like hey, bro. Could you learn to slow down more smoothly and speed up and don’t keep tapping your break every five seconds. The guy, did you notice it was me, you and Stevie and we were going to the– Horrible. I remember. Going to the airport and we never talked about it but I don’t know if you noticed at one point in the middle of our conversation, he was herky jerkying us around and I start violently gesturing with my hands behind him in the seat just like, I was so angry. Yeah. Because I was getting sick. Right. I was driving. I don’t get car sick, I just don’t enjoy it. And I was so close to saying something. He was so friendly when we got in the car and he introduced himself, I was like you know what, if I would have remembered his name– Mm, mm. Then I might say something now, like Raphael, would you mind, we’re not in that big of a hurry so would you mind, I couldn’t formulate what I would say but because I didn’t know his name I gave up, but let’s say I did know his name. I still don’t know what I would have said that was nice but still got my point across which is hey man, Raphael, we’re, how do you do this? I don’t know, Raphael, we’re not in a hurry and I’m prone to car sickness. Can you just, make it more about me and my shortcomings? I think that would be helpful, yeah. I’m prone to car sickness. And the real– I’m not in hurry. The herky jerky stopping and going is very troublesome. Can you just stay in one lane and smooth it out? I mean change lanes if we need to get, go on a different road but otherwise, all this aggressive stuff is not making me like you more. But you know it’d be a lot easier if you’d be like, hey Raphael, here’s an egg. Could you just– Yes, yes. And you know what, if the egg falls, you get two stars. And he’d be like got it. At that point– I love this idea. Now it’s not just a regular egg and I realize that an egg, it will roll off. It’s an egg that’s sitting on a little… What do you call it? It’s got a pedestal. A pedestal. And then it can teeter off in any way. Its natural state is to be balanced and if there’s a sudden stop– But I didn’t say anything. Yeah. Here’s an even more pointed example. This morning on the Uber, I almost sat in the front seat but then it drastically increases the chances that I have to talk to the driver so I sat in the backseat and I got car sick ’cause the guy’s herky jerkying all over the place like bustin’ the egg that I don’t have ’cause the brilliant idea had not been hatched. Yeah. But that wasn’t the thing. The thing was he’s getting in the carpool lane. I was like oh this is good, we’re passing a lot of people on the 134, whatever that is. And then it’s like we gotta get on the five. But he’s over here in the 134 and I look at his GPS and you can get out of the carpool lane, it’s got the dotted lines like this is the place that he needs to get over to take my exit onto the five. Yeah, can’t wait too late. And he’s dartin’ and he’s going so fast and I look at his GPS and first of all, he had a GPS and most of ’em do but you’d be surprised how many drivers never look at the GPS ’cause it’s down on their lap or something and he had it mounted up there so I could see it, I’m like okay, I like this guy. And it still said 134 so it was not telling him to get on the five yet. In the next few yards it actually did change but by that point he was trapped in the carpool lane and could not legally exit. Oh gosh. But I’m seeing all this unfold and we’re back a couple of notches. It’s still telling him to stay in the carpool lane or on the 134. I know he needs to exit, but I couldn’t say anything. Just like for the previous 10 minutes, it was hot as Hades in the backseat and I could not bring myself to ask him to turn the AC up. Really, I’ve seen you do that with a driver. I’ve seen you ask– And I’m having this internal dialogue– For an adjustment before. It’s not worth it, it’s not worth it. Somehow me asking him to change the AC is not nice. It’s like… I’ll blame you, you’ve guilted me into not putting my– Thanks. Peculiarity onto people. So– Well. And then so I couldn’t even tell him to exit and then he’s going straight and he’s trapped in the carpool lane, I’m like this is gonna add 15 to 20 minutes to my ride. Yeah this could be disastrous. Because this is horrible. Yeah this could be the end of the world. And so I’m like I really think you need to get, you need to take this exit. But there’s no real way out of the carpool lane. He was like oh, and at that point the GPS changed to say he needed to exit and he just broke the law and just did it– Good. And I’m like I’m so glad he did that. Even if he’d have broke the egg at that point, I would’ve– Yeah. Given him five stars but he’s going over and I’m like, yeah, the GPS is always late at this point. I’m totally lying. Yeah that’s– I’m making this up. Not true. I’m totally making this up. Yeah, making him feel good. Yeah the GPS, the only thing I’ve said to the guy besides that was your exit was then a yeah, the GPS is always late at this point and it’s difficult ’cause you’re trapped in the carpool lane. Yeah. And he’s like, what did he say? He said something weird and I was like, is he talking to me or himself? It was like– It was basically like, yeah, I’m fine, man. It was like that, I’m fine, man. Yeah I’ve done this before. I don’t need your commentary. And I was like I was trying to be nice. Or encouragement. I think, you know– He was saying he didn’t need the emotional support that you were offering. Yeah, probably didn’t. It’s just, I’m so, it’s just hard to tell a driver what you want. It’s like is he my driver at this moment? Hey you know what, you should be in the far, I have so many opinions, you know? I do know. And it’s like but even I am overridden with niceness at that point, to a fault. Well I have– Missing exists and stuff. I also Ubered in and had Ubered to the gym and then Ubered from the gym to here and so I had two different drivers this morning and driver number one, I sat in the front seat ’cause he had a very small car and I was like, sometimes in the backseat with me, my head will hit the ceiling. Yeah you got– Most cars actually. Got your chin on your knees. And you know, there was some small talk about the weather and I was like is this gonna turn into a conversation? Mm. Of course I’m hoping not. He brought up the weather ’cause you’re in the front seat. Yeah I know, I’m inviting this. But I was told that the app will now, you can indicate on the app if you’re a conversationalist or not and I know I said that– I haven’t looked into that. You said you’re not. What? A conversationalist. I was told that that option exists but I have not seen it either. I don’t know any of the options. So I ended up just kinda getting on my phone and then I start thinking, again, I feel like if you look at a pie chart of my brain activity at this point, at least 10%, sometimes revving up to 30 to 40% of my brain activity is focused on what this guy thinks of me. And it isn’t even in the context of what his rating is gonna be of me. It’s literally like does guy gonna think I’m a jerk because I’m on my phone the whole time or is he gonna think that I’m addicted to my phone? Like why do I care? Who cares? Even saying nice things is not really about being nice and maybe this is the key to unlocking some new practice is the realization that our niceties are much more about us and about shaping perception than it is about actually being nice to somebody, being kind to someone. I think a lot of it is just rooted in ego. Yeah. I do. I think there is, this very human things to do, but I think that one of the reasons that sometimes you may interpret an older person as being blunt or not nice, sometimes they are just jerks, but I think in a lot of cases it’s that they have actually lost some of their ego as they’ve gotten older which if you’re healthy I think is the direction that you should be heading in, you’re getting less and less about yourself and more and more about others as you get older, and so I do think that, and I like to use the word candidness because I do think that sometimes that’s what it is, it’s just like this person told me what they thought. And again, it’s not being super, I do think that sometimes being super particular about things and then expecting everybody to fall in line, that can become an annoying thing, right? But I don’t think that’s what asking somebody to adjust the temperature if you’re hot in an Uber is about. I think it’s like well I kinda don’t wanna be burning up back here and I know that this person probably actually does care about what temperature it is. Some drivers ask you is it okay, is it okay back there? So it’s reasonable and not jerky to say something about it. But I think that a big part of it is just reputation management with people that you’ll never see again which is weird. Yeah. But it’s just this wanting so badly to be liked and to not ruffle feathers that you end up doing a disservice to people. And I do think that we– And yourself ’cause you’re blazin’ up in the backseat. I think that’s a term for smoking weed and that’s not what I mean. Right, yeah yeah. But I think there’s also a button for that on the app. My name is D-Nice. I’m gonna blaze up, just be ready. I’m a conversationalist blazer. I’ve never thought about that but I have thought about, can I just bring Jade in an Uber? This is just a tangent but I was wondering that this morning. And again for niceness I was like– I would think so. I don’t want a negative rating ’cause this whole rating thing is part of it too. It’s a quantified version of what we’re talking about. It’s like I’m gonna treat you in a way not that I want to be treated or just because you’re another human that I wanna be nice to, I wanna treat you in a way so that you will give me a good rating. That’s messed up, man. I literally think about my rating on Uber. I have no clue what it is and I don’t think it has any bearing on anything. I don’t know when it comes into play and I don’t know when people can come to a conclusion about it, I don’t necessarily– But if Jade was just sittin’ in my lap, she’d be here right now. I don’t think it would be a problem. I guess there are some Uber, maybe all– Plenty of people who’d have a problem with a dog in their car. Maybe all ride share operators have to be okay with dogs. Maybe they indicate that somewhere on the app. Maybe, I don’t know, it’s a good question. You don’t know the ins and outs– Especially with, Jade is not a giant dog. If you have a Great Dane or something like that that could be a problem. I could keep her hidden, wouldn’t even know she was there. Yeah so, what about niceness when it comes to content because the stuff that we create, there are entire channels built on, well, of course there’s entire channels built on drama. I’m not really, I’m not talking about drama as much as, I don’t know, I guess this is a bordering territory to it that I’ll just call the hot takes, man. You’ve got an opinion on something. So much and it’s not just digital content but radio for years, television, all types of talk content is, we can talk about it as it relates to Ear Biscuits, is successful because it’s just, it’s hot takes. It’s opinions, I mean and a lot of times there’s a lot of, it’s super charged with some vitriol, some anger, some bitterness, some complaints, the opposite of being nice. Being brutally honest or just having a punchy opinion. And that’s not… Maybe we started to do a little bit of that but not really. I think that when we, on Ear Biscuits, we kinda… We resist the urge to give our unfettered opinions on things because, do you think there’s a niceness component there? What’s going on there? Are we too nice when it comes to our content? Well I think that’s part of it. I think it’s really complex because I do think that there is just something about our personalities naturally whether it’s niceness or however you would wanna describe it that we don’t tend to be, we’re both opinionated for sure but when it comes to the types of opinions and hot takes that would be the kinda thing that would, people would care about on the internet, that’s not really a natural part of our dialogue. We don’t spend a lot of time thinking and talking about those things but I also think that because we were so focused on just making people laugh and for a number of reasons and we’ll probably do a podcast on this at some point, why we approached our content the way we did in the early days and why it started so family friendly, more family friendly than it is now. Still generally family friendly but it was like squeaky clean G-rated from the very beginning. Yeah. I think you attract a certain audience it’s like, oh these guys are gonna something that never offends people and it’s just all about being lighthearted and then when you build a fan base around that, you’ve kinda cornered yourself a little bit, whereas, one of the things that Harley from the Epic Mealtime said, probably at this table, was that you kinda get what you give to your audience. You get back what you give and he gives his tone, especially at the time was very harsh towards his audience and you kind of attract people who like that kinda thing and then they kinda give it back. So I think that we’ve actually developed a pretty nice community because the content isn’t vitriolic in any way. And we’re proud of that. Right. That is something to be proud of. That’s a good thing. But even me saying that right now is like oh I don’t want it to seem like I’m being critical of our core audience or an aspect of our, a contingent of our audience’s taste. Well here’s a perfect example of– ‘Cause I’m not being critical of you. Where I think that the audience that we cultivated and how nice they were and are, for the most part, created a content problem for us and that is with our local commercials, right, we’ve talked about this a number of times. Yeah that’s a good case study. We’ve never really been into prank content per se. We did that one prank video. We’ve done a number of pranks like all of our man on the street videos– Yeah they were– Were– They’re kinda prank-inspired and they’re kinda– Made people feel awkward at least. They’re based on making normal people feel a little bit out of sorts and getting some laughs at their expense. Not in a super mean-spirited way but for some people, anything in that realm is mean-spirited. And the nature of the local commercials that we made back in the day and then on Commercial Kings, which is still back in the day, this is a long time ago, of course we used real businesses and real people from those businesses and the thing that we found so funny is when we put normal people into these situations, these ridiculous structures that we created for them and they just did their thing. You’re kinda laughing at slash with them, and everybody ends up being happy and it’s good for business and people love the result but one of the reasons that– It’s not clear-cut though. A lot of people are uncomfortable with it is because a really, really strict interpretation of it is that you’re laughing at these people, you’re having fun and humor at their expense. And some people are not comfortable with that at all. So now, we are both very comfortable with that. It’s a little bit of a generational thing. I do think that the younger generation is much less comfortable with it although I will say that even though I didn’t encourage this, my kids are much like I was at their age. Some people can’t watch the show that we talked about, Impractical Jokers, some people can’t watch that ’cause they’re like I just don’t like to see anybody being made to feel uncomfortable. They love it. They think it’s great. But we ended up stopping doing those commercials because we just ended up getting, one of the reasons was we just ended up getting so much push-back ’cause people would be like, this doesn’t seem like, this isn’t the stuff that I like you guys for. This just seems a little bit mean. Mean-spirited. And so we just were like okay well, it’s not like we have to keep doing this. We did a bunch of it, we can move onto something else. So I do think that that is an example of our niceness in general and especially in things like GMM, cultivating an audience that then couldn’t really take the non-nice content. Yeah and I was talking to Arin from Game Grumps and he was talking about his, their talk show, which is inspired format-wise by Good Mythical Morning. The 10 Minute Power Hour. Which we’re big fans of. And he was talking about how, he said, he was talking about the GMM influence on how they created that but he was like, but we’ve got, the tone is a little different ’cause we got a bit more of that eff you energy. You guys don’t really have eff you energy and I was saying something about their Reddit contingent and he was like, the people that respond to that are the people who then, they’ll like eff you in the comments but then when we looked at how much merch we were selling, they have a whole Reddit thread that them or none of their crew has anything to do with because it’s just all the fans who just hate on them. But he said that a remarkable percentage, of course I don’t remember the number ’cause I don’t have mental capacity to remember other people’s numbers. Right, you’re thinking about your vacation. He said that it was a big contingent of merch sales are from those people who are constantly eff you, eff you. Because they’re very invested and they’re fans. It’s just– It’s a different way of expressing– You get what you give and I’m a little envious of that energy because I don’t know, from a comedic standpoint, it seems, I don’t know what the word is, it just seems more emphatic. Comedically emphatic, when you’re doing something that can be, is edgy, quite literally edgy so it pushes you either one way or the other, right? It’s easy to subconsciously feel like that’s a more legitimate form of comedy because it’s sending you in one of two directions, either love or hate versus just like… I think our tone, it’s very welcoming. Oh I can tolerate it, as where someone may be left. And I think that we end up compensating for it a little bit because again, if we were just completely ourselves, throw caution to the wind, we would be more offensive than we are. If there was no guard up at all as to what is a more broadly appealing, welcoming sort of tone, it would be a more caustic tone. It just would be. Of course we have more opinions than we share. Yeah and also– And I know that people are gonna say they want more of that. Well and you might think that– Now that we’re talking about it. You might just say well I can see that coming from Rhett but from Link, no, the reality is, it would come from both of, I don’t wanna speak for you. Yeah, no– It’s not just a thing that comes from the bitter tall one. But interestingly, you’re also kinda talking about stand-up comedy as an example, the purest form of comedy, right? Which we’ve never really, we do it kind of but we haven’t done traditional stand-up, definitely not alone. I thought farts were the purest form of comedy. Go ahead. Are you saying that because my seat just made a farting noise? No I was just making a joke. The whole give and take that you have with an audience and the fact that if you’re going to speak up to a comedian, he or she is going to rip you a new one and that’s part of the act. Heckling and then responding to hecklers is part of being a great stand-up and– A certain type of stand-up though. I don’t think that applies to all stand-up. Well no no, even the nicest comedian. Like a Brian Regan. Even the nicest comedian. A Gaffigan. Is not going, Gaffigan, okay, is not, I guarantee you that when he does his live stand-up and somebody heckles him that he gets the best of them. Oh yeah. Because you can’t exist. How mean-spirited is it? We kinda do that on tour. We don’t do anything that’s ridiculously vindictive or whatever but if you’re gonna have the courage to speak up at our tour, we’re gonna end up doing something that’s gonna make people laugh at you. But it’s all in good fun. I definitely don’t wanna get into a place where we’re not willing to just, light ribbing is no longer allowed. But how, I think the question is is like, how does it work its way into the content? What are we afraid of? And how do you navigate it? Because just another quick data point is when we were guests on the H3 Podcast. Big fans of Ethan and Hila and their growing family of sons and dogs, well they’ve got one of each. Yeah. It’s like, it’s hot take central over there. And it’s extremely entertaining. It’s hot takes for the sake of entertainment. That’s why I enjoyed it. It’s almost like taking a position just for the laughs a lot of time, not all the time. And so being on there was like… I think when it comes to the type of things they talk about, you’re more informed and more opinionated about those specific things so that felt like more of an outlet for you to be there than it did for me. I think there were other things that would get me going. Probably germs. Or herky jerky Uber drivers. But the type of stuff they talk about was something that, I mean we don’t go into that stuff on our podcast. Smosh does some of that on their podcast. Because it is a great way to develop a fan base if that’s something, if that’s a way you’re interested in talking about things. But it’s… I don’t, you tell me what you think. I don’t think that’s a place where, we’ve made a decision that that’s not what, that’s not the type of place that we go. And I’m not talking about YouTube drama as much as current event hot take type stuff where it’s, you cannot be nice. You cannot come across as nice, that’s not part of the equation in those conversations. Well, I feel like trying to incorporate drama or commentary about controversial things into what we’re currently doing would be a little bit of a betrayal. Because I feel like there’s so much of that, right? All out there. We’re not just throwing what we create into a vacuum. It is experienced in the greater context of internet and entertainment in general. And we are so polarized right now, right? So as opinionated as I am and as bitter as I can be about some things, I do think there’s something to be said for the fact that our show and our content in general is something people can come together over, around. People of differing backgrounds, people of differing political opinions should be able to come to our show and be like this is something that we can agree on. And I do think there’s power in that. Some people call it a cop-out, some people say you’re doing that just so you can make more money and have a broadly appealing product. I actually personally and I think I speak for both of us but I know that that’s something that I care about is I don’t like the disunity in our world and in our country. It’s needed now more than ever. And I think that– Something that brings us together. And I do think that we’re kind of especially equipped to kinda bring people together. We understand multiple perspectives, having embodied multiple perspectives over the course of our lives and I think that that puts us in a position to be like hey, all these people aren’t bad and all these people aren’t bad. It’s like hey, let’s have a dialogue. There are some things that we can agree on. Now we don’t end up talking directly about those things very often. So I do think it would be a little bit of disservice to be like all of a sudden we’re gonna be talking about all this stuff and we’re gonna be throwing our opinions out there and blasting people who disagree. That’s just not the spirit of what we do. But I do think the thing that, one of the reasons that what Ethan and Hila do is appealing or what Game Grumps does is appealing is because it’s more fun to just let your guard down. It’s more fun to just be honest and be like I don’t really care about the impact or the consequences because I’m just being myself. To have a little filter and a guard on everything you say, it’s a little bit tiresome so I do think that as you get older and I think this is one of the reason that there is more innuendo as an example in all of our content now than there was when we started is because you know what, when we talk privately, it’s a lot of innuendo. We both find sexual innuendo to be very funny and we use a lot of it in our normal private lives. So– We also did when we were in seventh grade. We’ve always done it. Do you remember– From the very beginning. But we haven’t done it in our content. Right. Until it’s 1500, 1600 episodes, you just come a little bit more yourself and I think that there’s something freeing about that. And that’s a place, I think the sexual innuendo’s a place where we’ve, we’ve talked about it some and we continue to talk about the ways that we, the lines, the ways that we will incorporate innuendo and the ways we won’t so we know what our best practices are to use the corporate term. But in an effort to conclude this conversation, I think that it’s… I need to have a prolonged thought. We’ve got time. Yeah in an effort to come to a conclusion, I think that we can, I feel good with the summary that you’ve given of hey, we’re trying to create things in conversations where it can be an outlet for anybody. That simple. Well I would say that that’s a principle that applies to our content. We don’t wanna be a dividing force. We don’t wanna be a polarizing force in the world because there’s enough of that already. That doesn’t mean that there are some things that we consider to be non-political but just human issues that need to be addressed that we will take a stand on and talk about and that’s at our discretion as we see fit but I think that as time goes by, we will continue to be more and more ourselves. Yeah I think it’s, yeah, the balancing point just to piggyback on that is, yeah, we’re not gonna be fake. We’re not gonna be nice and lie, lie through our teeth just to be nice. Yeah. I wanna be nice when I actually mean what I’m saying. I don’t wanna say anything here that I do not mean. Exactly. So I think that’s why we choose our topics of conversation. And I think that I’ve seen, you see the chatter and the speculation sometimes when people are trying to figure out what things lead to the evolution of the show over time or the way we talk. And I think one of the accusations that can be levied sometimes is that oh, you guys are continuing to push the boundaries because you want your content to be more accepted or you’re doing this to get more attention or to get people to care about you and I think that, well, the reality is is that we’ve kinda always talked this way but the longer we do it, the more the layers get pulled back and you see who we are. And personally that’s something that, I’ve been focusing on this personally a lot just through therapy honestly, it’s just getting out of my head, getting into my heart, living more from a place of feeling because I’ve done enough thinking. I’ve done a lot of thinking. And I think part of that is continuing to kinda let go of what people think about you, continuing to have your ego hopefully continue to be drained as you get older. And I think just a natural result of that is that you’re just gonna be more of yourself and so the things that we do aren’t a result of trying to be provocative, of trying to get more views, we’re always going to be trying to get more views, we’re trying to be successful but it’s really us being more of ourselves and I think that ultimately to tie it back to the original question, it’s that we’re not as nice as you think we are if you thought we were really nice. And that’s a broad word but I think that if some of these things– But there is a core niceness that we’re striving to be nice as long as it’s true to ourselves. Yeah. #EarBiscuits, let us know what you think. Join in on the conversation. Recs in Effect. I’ll give a music rec. Been listening to The Bahamas. I don’t think I’ve rec’ed Bahamas. I think we’ve talked about it personally ’cause I’m like, we used to really be into Jack Johnson, that laid-back, you talk about Roy and his Hawaiian vibe with his elevator, the elevator goes slow when you’re listening to some Jack Johnson back in the day. Bahamas is kinda like my updated Jack Johnson. And the specific song that I’m gonna recommend is, gotta turn, why I gotta turn my, gotta take it out of airport mode. I know it’s airplane mode. Off the album, Bahamas is Afie. I think that’s the guy’s first name. A-F-I-E. “All The Time”‘s a good song. But “Stronger Than That”, you start listening to that song and it sounds like “Islands in the Stream”. Kenny Rogers, Dolly Parton duo, duet. And then, I mean you think he’s just gonna start singing like Kenny Rogers but then he doesn’t. Are they from the Bahamas? He sings like Bahamas, it’s one guy. Is he from the Bahamas? No, I think he just channels that vibe. Okay. I can’t say. But if you like that vibe, check it out. Especially that song. Yes thanks for sticking with us, for listening to this conversation that we didn’t know where it was gonna go but it went where it went and it’ll continue to go where it’s gonna go but it’s not gonna go anywhere next week or for the next three weeks because we’re taking a little break. We’ll be back on August eight, what is it? 19th. August 19th. August 19th, we’ll be back from our epic vacations. We’ll be talking to you about those. Until then, #EarBiscuits. To watch more Ear Biscuits, click on the playlist on the right. To watch the previous episode of Ear Biscuits, click on the playlist to the left. And don’t forget to click on the circular icon to subscribe. If you prefer to listen to this podcast, it’s available on all your favorite podcast platforms. Thanks for being your Mythical best.