Welcome to Ear Biscuits, I’m Link. And I’m Rhett. This week at the round table of dim lighting, we are asking the question should you switch with side of the bed you sleep on? Oh man. And other questions. I’m gettin’, I got a shiver down my spine when I heard you ask that and when I immediately read it, I was like, oh I feel threatened. This is a question from a Mythical Beasts in response to a prompt that we put out on, I don’t know, where do we put it out? Twitter, Facebook, how do we do? Twitter. Follow us on Twitter. Got a lot of really good questions. Follow us on Facebook. Follow us on Instagram, follow us on– Yeah follow us everywhere. Follow us, follow us to the ends of the earth. Don’t think, just follow. So yeah I’m excited about that question and a number of questions that we got. So excited that we should just get right into one of the questions. Yeah let’s do it, you feeling excited? Well I am– You don’t look excited. Well because I like to ease into the thing. People who– It’s early, still early. People who come in and seem too excited for the morning, they burn out so fast. I build up. Are you talkin’ about, you thinking about somebody in particular? No I would say that one out of eight days you kinda do that and I can kinda see it in your face, it’s kinda like, I gotta psych myself up. I gotta psych myself up man, and you come in and you’re psyching yourself up and I can tell that you have not had a good day so far. So– No. No no no. No. My theory about you is that when you seem excited, it’s because– I’m compensating. You haven’t had a good day. I’m compensating. It isn’t because oh Link’s having a great time, he’s super excited. He’s in a great mood. When you’re having a good day, I think you’re like this. Nothing. Yeah. Just flat line. Yeah, right. But if I’m not having a good day, I seem like I’m having a great day. Yeah and if I seem like I’m having a great day, I am having a great day. I don’t psych myself up. That never happens, Rhett. Right, no I’m having– One out of every eight days, I need to have a good day. I work my way into a good day every day. I like to have something to look forward to, not something to dwindle, you know what I’m saying? So set your expectations low at the beginning of the day, don’t smile too much, don’t seem too excited. Listen. And by the end of the day, you’ll be happy. There’s another thing. Sometimes you’re right, okay. I’m not gonna say you’re wrong. Often I’m right. About this. 75% of the time I’m right. I’m not talking about in general, you. I’m talking about, yeah, 75% of the time you’re right about my one in eight times I’m acting happy when I’m not in order to become happy. Okay good. But there are times– When you’re just happy? When I’m just frickin’ happy in the morning! Like and it usually has to do with some magical song came on my playlist on my drive in. Ah, you’re too, yeah, yeah, that’s your problem. Why does there gotta be a problem? No I’m saying– Just be happy for me that I was happy. Hold on, here’s what I’ll say. Oh don’t get happy because of music. If, no, music can make you happy but if you know that music can change your mood, you should find the songs that do that and you should make sure that one of those is always in the playlist. No. I don’t want you to be happy Link one out of eight times. I want you to be happy Link all the time if it’s a possibility. Now you’re sounding like an addict. ‘Cause here’s the thing– Are you addicted to music? Happiness is not something you can manufacture, my brother, it’s something that when you do, it diminishes but when a song, it’s kinda like when your favorite song comes on the radio, it makes you happier than when it comes on when you scroll and select. You’re not listening to the radio though. I’m not but I’m listening to Spotify curated playlists that they, the algorithm thinks I’ll like. So when the algorithm– So you’re relying on the computer to make you happy. Yeah, when the computer makes me happy– Who’s got the problem here? I’m happier than when I make myself happy. But I’m in control. Listen I’m not interested in happiness, I’m interested in joy. Fine, everything I was saying I was talking about joy. Joey, two syllables. Joey. Joey. Joey. Yeah, I wonder how Joey’s doing. You know you’re in the south when you don’t know whether someone is asking for Joy or Joey. Joey. Hold on, did you say Joy or Joey because I couldn’t tell. Do we wanna start with the big question? See, oh you’re getting happy too soon. It’s too early for you– No no no no no no. For you to get to happy. I’m letting natural circumstances, much like a playlist, make me happy, okay. I’m super excited about this question. ‘Cause we didn’t talk about this– Well you’re gonna burn out. We didn’t talk about this because of the way that the vacations worked and all this but I really wanted to know your opinion on this. On this question? I’ve talked about, about my wife because there was something related to this that went viral on Twitter so this question– Read the question. This is from Mike, @DadBodFL. That’s a good name. My wife, out of nowhere, eight years into our marriage, decided she wanted to change what side of the bed we sleep on. Now especially in the context of the question, my wife, eight years into marriage, decided she wanted to change the side of the bed she wanted to sleep on. It sent shivers down my spine. Oh I can only imagine. Like I just felt, I had a fear reaction of empathy to you, @DadBodFL. Now– That dad bods all of a sudden finding yourself on the other side of the bed. I think what I’m about to tell you– But I don’t wanna have a knee-jerk, emotional reaction. It’s gonna blow your mind. I wanna analyze this and I wanna be open to– Well, and I have a theory about the way that you approach this and I think you probably have a theory about the way I would approach this. Now the reason I wanted to get in this question is because a few weeks ago on Twitter, there was a guy, or a girl, I don’t know who it exactly was. It was someone, I don’t think they were a public personality, maybe they were, anyway they were like, “Last night we were hanging out “with a couple that we’ve been friends with for awhile, “and we found out that they do not have sides “of the bed that they sleep on.” Wow. “Any given night, they may end up on either side “of the bed and it’s not a discussion “and it just is the way they’ve always been.” And of course– Are they pass-out drunk every night or something? And this of course sent shock waves throughout the internet because this is crazy, okay. I personally think that, and I’m a person that, I’m not routine-oriented. Yeah. But this struck me– Why? As bonkers, you know. Yeah. The idea that you don’t have a side of the bed because there’s just so many just utilitarian things that go along with what side of the, you’ve got bedside tables that have your stuff in them, right, you put your phone. Preach, Rhett! There’s reasons to be on a side of the bed. Preach, now– And so I– ‘Cause you saying this, it brings a lot more power than me saying it because everyone’s gonna know that I’m gonna say my thing about– But hold on but let me just say your opinion about that is not a novel opinion. That’s a normal opinion that someone would have a bedside table that has, like there’s a drawer that is, I’m not even an organized person but I am an organized person compared to my wife, at least when you’re talking about drawers. So I got things in my drawer, I got books on my side. I got the way I wanna charge my phone et cetera on my side. Now, the thing that I discovered when Jessie and I started talking about this and this is my question to you is have you always had a particular side of the bed throughout your whole marriage regardless of what house you’re in and when you stay in a hotel, do you occupy the same side of the bed that you do at home? That’s my question for you. And let me just say that my guess is that you’ve always had the same side of the bed and you always assume it on vacation. Maybe I’m wrong, maybe I’m presumptuous but that’s my theory. I’m thinking back to all my beds. Okay, yes, I’ve always, throughout 19 years of marriage, sleeping in the same bed for 19 years, slept on what I’ll call the left side, so from my perspective sleeping in the bed, looking up at the ceiling, my left shoulder is closest to, is on the left side of it. So the right side of the bed. I think most people, you’re sitting there, you’re looking at a bed and there’s a right and a left side of the bed. Well it’s kinda like stage left I think. Like if you’re about to get in the bed. When I get into bed, I’m a performer, brother, so I’m talking bed left. Okay so bed left and I would say room right. Room right. So as you’re looking at the bed and you’re like am I gonna sleep on the left side of the bed or the right side of the bed, you sleep on the right side of the bed. I’m gonna sleep on the right side and then magically it becomes the left side. Okay. So that’s a bonus. Okay, and this is something that just happened early on in your marriage and then there was no reason to switch it. Didn’t think about it. And the second part of your question, when I go to a hotel room and I’m traveling with Christy, I have actively thought about this. We have not discussed it. But when you walk in the room and you’ve got your luggage and I immediately like to settle in. I like to put the luggage, I like to, if anything needs to be hung I like to hang it. I like to put the toiletries by the sink. I like to settle in, I like to feel secure. But that involves going ahead and kind of claiming a side of the bed immediately. Right. And I don’t wanna burden Christy with this conversation. Of course the flip side of that is, you should consult your wife, she knows. But we instinctively– But she knows that that’s a dead end. We go to the same sides and by the way, whenever I’m traveling alone, well, you know what, it’s up for grabs at that point, but I do sleep on a side of the bed. Well I think. A side that you determine to be most useful, this has a better lamp on the side or something. You gotta reach your phone or whatever. There’s a reason. You gotta reach your phone. It really has to do with if there was a plug on one side and I can get to charge my phone, sometimes I don’t have both sides. Okay well I will say that when I sleep in a hotel bed by myself I sleep in the middle of the bed because as a big man– You can reach anywhere. This is like what I always want is a large bed that I can just go anywhere. And if you’re in the middle you can reach both bedside tables simultaneously. Easily. Yeah I can put my hands on both tables at the same time. Finally, you got something to live for. Now . Jessie and I began to talk about this and it led to an argument. Oh. Because– Based on the tweets? Yeah because, now first of all, just to give you a lay of the land, I started thinking back through previous houses, and in my previous home, I slept on the other side of the bed. And then I went back and in the other house, I slept on the same side that I sleep on now. And so there seems to be no rhyme or reason to which side I pick in a particular house that we’re in, however, we stay on that side of the bed. When we go on vacation, there is no conversation about it and we end up on either side of the bed and we never talk about it– It’s random, just random. It’s just random if we’re in a hotel. Well, sorry, it’s not random. It could be either side but when I started evaluating the psychology, realizing that I was the one making the choice first– Ah. This is when she got mad. You pointed it out to her. I have a thought process that’s almost subconscious that has been determining which side of the bed I sleep on in every environment that I’ve ever slept on a bed. Okay and what is it? It is I want to be farthest from the door. The door. Oh you wanna put, you wanna use your wife as a human shield. So which that, hence the argument. So what I told her is without even thinking about it, and it’s not in and this is why she’s mad, it’s not in relation to her. It’s not like I want her to protect me. It’s that I have this instinctive and I’ve never been in a room and had somebody come in and attack me. It’s never happened in 41 years, right? But I’m a cautious person. I am– Cagey. I am the kind of person that goes into a public situation and thinks about where I’m sitting in a restaurant and that kinda thing. I’m not a big worrier in that regard and I don’t seem anxious about it but I feel like almost in like a pseudo-tactical– Jason Bourne? Way, I’m kind of making, not that I would be capable of doing anything given the extra couple of seconds. I’ve only ever been in two fights and they both ended with me punching someone in the stomach. You know what I’m saying, I’m not a hand-to-hand combat guy. I’m a lover not a fighter. Well that’s why you gotta have more space to run. But there’s this thing that’s like I need some time to think. Again, I’m not trying to evaluate, ’cause it’s not a conscious process. It’s I always, without fail, go to the side of the bed or the bed, and I don’t know if you remember this, like for a long time when we traveled we would get two– Double beds. One room and two double beds. I would always pick the one furthest from the door. Now– And I like that ’cause I wanted to be further away from the AC. Right so it worked out without even discussing it. Which is usually on a window unit. And Jessie was understandably mad ’cause she was like, I have a tendency to be, like when we’re out in public and I start walking, sometimes I’ll just kinda just walk ahead and just, ’cause I’m so, I am not a very thoughtful person. That’s a pet peeve of hers, you walking ahead. And I walk very fast and she walks slow and she thinks she walks regular speed and I walk fast. I think I walk fast and she’s slow but that’s for another time. Maybe you walk the same speed but when you factor in leg length– Well we’ve had a lot of leg length arguments, let’s just say that. And she’s got unusual shoes a lot of times. I don’t. She’s got shoes with fish bowls in them. What does this have to do with the bed though? It just means that it’s consistent with my tendency to disregard her in her eyes. Yeah so– And so therefore– You didn’t defer to her– She’s like, “You’re not protecting me. “You’re putting me in the way of the potential crazed person “who will come in here and try to kill us both.” Well and you’re like, somebody could come through the window. Exactly, yeah. But that’s not what you think. I’m not thinking at all. That’s just what you’re now arguing. And now let me say this, now that I am consciously considering this, I’m gonna be closest to the door now because it isn’t, I’m not gonna sleep any less. So as a physical demonstration of love and deference, you’re going to sleep closer to the door. I’m gonna put myself in harm’s way. You’re gonna really– For my wife. Well okay. But isn’t that interesting though that I had subconsciously chose this side of the bed? I’ve been interested in it, yeah. It’s held my interest. And then when I think back about those other, those previous houses, it was like, yes, I’m always on the other side of the bed. Is that, of the door? Is the door– Furthest from the door. At home. Because in your first house, back in Fuquay, I thought it had to do with something with when you stood up to get out of your bed, the roof angled to the point where you could not stand up in your own bed. That would be– ‘Cause that’s a fact. That would have been either side of the bed because in fact– It had an A frame. That side, that time in Fuquay was completely arbitrary because the house was, the bedroom was a converted attic and the door was equidistant– A foot. From the foot of the bed. Well what about, what about the one in Sherman Oaks? Your California home where– I was furthest from the door. But the bed was against the wall. I was against the wall. So you had to climb over Jessie in order to get in the bed if she got in first and I think it’s ’cause she stayed up later than you. I think that’s the reason. Well we talked about this and she said, “Well the reason we did it “in that house is because I was getting up “with the kids more often than you were.” Again, another point of disregard. Lazy husband. But I was like, “Yeah I mean you’re just so much better “about getting in and out of bed, you’re small.” It takes me an extra few seconds, you know. Something could happen. Anyway yeah so I’m not gonna go into the details– That’s actually– Of the argument that we had but I have made the decision now that, now that doesn’t mean that we’re going to switch places in our current home because it’s pretty established at this point and I am furthest from the door. See I think the reason why, I just don’t have, I don’t have the door thing that you have. For me when we travel and we’re sleeping together, like when we’re on vacation and those three different beds that we’re staying in, I’m always on what I’m calling the left side which is the right side of the bed, because as I’m sleeping, she’s moving on my right side. There’s a being over there. And if the being’s now, I’m not used to a being on my left side. And so that’s gonna give me a bad night’s sleep ’cause subconsciously I’m disoriented so having a bean on the right side is normal. Having it be on my left side is discombobulating. I don’t think it’s that discombobulating but– Oh it is. And then you, you have more room, you know where you have more room subconsciously to roll, like if I roll this way, I got more room. There’s gonna be a person there but I’m not gonna roll off the bed and I know that if I’m– Yeah you’re not a child, you’re not a toddler. And you know what, as a matter of fact, last night I just remembered– I rolled off the bed. I came as close as you could come to rolling off the bed. Yeah that hasn’t happened to me in many years. And you know why? Because on vacation, for over two weeks– You had rails? We been sleeping on king-sized beds. I come back home to my queen-sized bed– It’s great, isn’t it? Yeah, I felt like– I got a California king. My subconscious was on a king-sized bed and started rolling over and I was teetering and I woke up at a slide. You probably should stick to one side of the bed. It seems safer. Because to me, that’s what it all boils down to, so back to Mike @DadBodFL’s question, for me I had a fear reaction because I’m afraid of rolling off the bed or at least having compromised sleep. I think that the size that you’re used to someone being on in the bed with you makes a big difference in your quality of sleep. But I will say that– I can’t believe your argument. Well it might make a big difference for a couple of days. Subconscious. But I’m saying that I, again, we have a slight difference in philosophy about this. I believe in continually shaking things up so you don’t become dependent upon routine, right? I could adapt. ‘Cause you become more flexible but in this particular situation in the context of a marriage, this is in my mind, this could be that your wife wants to mix things up. I mean this is a mild mixing. But if she’s like hey, we’ve been together for eight years. What are the next eight years are gonna be like? Well they’re gonna be like me being on the other side of the bed for one. That’s potentially, just take it. First of all, I think you should ask why. You shouldn’t ask us why, you should ask her why ’cause we don’t know. You should find out is there any underlying reason or is it just like hey baby, I wanted to shake things up or no, actually, I wanted to be further away from the door so you would be the one to get killed. It could lead to arguments. Or an intruder came in. But again, it might lead to some self-sacrificial action like Rhett’s doing. But you make a good point with mixing things up. Because I am always gonna be a proponent of mixing things up when it comes to the bedroom. I mean, hey, now we’re onto something. Okay I got your attention. All right. So this could be, things could be getting exciting. This could be like a little– Yeah you never know where this is gonna lead. Here’s what I’ll say. And you know what, go for it. I think, I wanna– Just– Before we move on– Go down the water slide. I want to acknowledge that– Wee! Now that I think about which side of the bed you consider the right and left side of the bed, you might have something here. Because when you’re in a car, the right side of the car is as referenced from being inside of the car. I didn’t wanna tell you but yeah, you’re right. But I feel like– Because I’m right. When you go, no, if you go to a mattress store and you ask a person selling mattresses, “Touch the right side of the mattress.” What is the person selling the mattress gonna do? I think they’re gonna touch the right side of the mattress as if you’re looking at the bed. I agree but it’s not his mattress. So you think it changes once it becomes your mattress, or changes once you get in the bed? When it becomes your bed, your mattress. Talking about mixing things up, I mean you’re really shaking me with that. I mean I sustained injuries from sleeping on the same side of the bed for too long. I would sleep on my right side. That was sleeping on the wrong side of your body, not the side of your bed. I would spoon Christy but I would use my arm, I’d put my right elbow up next to my right ear and I would use my own elbow– As a pillow. As a pillow and I did that for so long that the bones in my shoulder started to grind against each other and wore down the frickin’ cushion and now, I have– Technical term. I have pain there and so, I learned to sleep on my back and I can’t spoon anymore but the solution could be wear down the left shoulder. You can spoon. I could get spooned. You could spoon, but you can’t spoon asleep, but you can spoon just for fun. It still hurts. Or I think it’s hurting. There’s no spooning now? I think, I can’t spoon because I think that I’m grinding my shoulder and so I actually try to keep my elbow down by my hip and spoon that way. The thing about me– And that’s just weird. The thing about spooning for me– It’s like you’re upright but you’re laying down. Is I’ve always only ever been the big spoon because if I’m the little spoon with Jessie, it’s like I have a backpack on, you know what I’m saying? It’s just not the same sensation. You’re an ultra large little spoon. Shall we move on? I just wanna make sure we got closure here. We’ve told him he needs to talk to his wife about this but then take it as an opportunity. Ironically, you know what I’m gonna do tonight? I’m gonna get in bed first, I’m gonna get in on Christy’s side and I’m not gonna say anything. Yeah that’s not gonna work. I’m gonna go all the way to sleep and then see if she wakes me up. If you move the furniture it might work. Move all the stuff in there. Yeah. I think Christy and I, all right I’m audible here. Maybe we need to throw it in the mix to switch it up. Yeah, see how it feels. Let’s both, let’s both do that with our wives and then report back. Let’s talk ’em, Jessie, she won’t care, right? Mm, I don’t know, I gotta talk to her about this. We can’t decide right now for ’em. Listen if I’ve learned anything, I’m not gonna make a decision on a podcast that affects my wife. We’re gonna begin negotiations which may lead to a trial period of sleeping on other side of the bed and see what happens. Yeah, mix it up. But I guarantee you there’ll be some bad nights’ sleep. Not for me. No I’m being honest with you. I know for a fact it’s not going to affect, ’cause I do it randomly when we travel and it’s never– Thanks Mike for– So we got more questions but first we wanna let you know that you can go to Mythical.com and you can pick up one of these Snotebooks. It’s a notebook, it’s a sketchbook, it’s both, that’s why it’s a Snote. This one’s Jenna’s, she’s been, oh she got, there’s a lot of things, got her number in there. Got the GMM logo on one. E-mail just in case it’s lost. You got the Randler logo, hold it up by your face so that it can be in the shot, my brother. So one of these was designed by our very own Kaitlyn. Was that this one? It was both of ’em. Both of ’em? That makes it easy. Yeah she did both of ’em. Okay, she did both of ’em, wow. Artsy. Mythical.com. Writing stuff down is powerful, it’s good for your brain, it’s good for your life experience and I like knowing that we’re a part of that. So buy it. Here’s another question from @scienceisanart. Huh. I moved in with my boyfriend a few months ago and he has apparently never washed a dish or cooked anything more complicated than ramen in his life. Okay. Apparently spaghetti is too complex for him so what most basic dish can I teach him to introduce into cooking? Let me say that last part in a way that makes more sense. So what basic dish can I teach him to introduce him to cooking? Okay. Well you know for me, I’m not a cooker. I’m not a cheffer, I’m not a maker of dishes. I’m not proud of that but it’s just a fact. Nothing about learning how to cook has ever appealed to me. And again, it’s almost a confession but you already know that. I am however a cleaner. So I’m observing right off the bat– So you like the part that no one does. You pick the only thing that, part of the process that nobody likes. Well the way that I’ve always justified it, and Christy enjoys cooking sometimes, not all the time, but because I don’t enjoy cooking at all, if someone’s gonna cook, it’s on her until now the kids have gotten old enough to start preparing things themselves, especially Lily who also enjoys cooking and baking to a large extent. So I’ve always felt guilty that she’s been expected to do the cooking and not in like a masculine, feminine role type way but just in a personal taste kinda way. Honestly I believe that’s why. Not because she’s the woman or anything. But I felt bad about that but I’ve always compensated her taking a defensive stance of, well at least I’ll clean. Like hey, I made a decision early on in our marriage because I didn’t know how to cook and for whatever reasons which I can go into if you want me to. I’ve said, I’m just gonna take the stance of, I’m gonna be grateful and uncritical of anything that you wanna prepare because I know that I would die if you didn’t do it, and I will also then clean up. So I think I got a good track record. I’m not gonna say a great one because my wife’s probably listening. But at least a decent track record of at least compensating with not cooking by cleaning. You also like cleaning. And I like cleaning. I like putting things away and a lot of people who enjoy cooking, they start to say, and Christy has said in the past, and I’ve heard chefs as I’ve spoken with many chefs, it’s like, the only part I hate about cooking is the cleaning. It’s like well let me take care of that. As an offering of gratitude. But this guy does neither and I find it interesting that the thing that she’s asking about is, she’s keying in on the cooking part and maybe that’s ’cause she likes the cleaning part so I respect that but now I’m a little out of my league because– Well let me ask you this. So I’m just telling, buddy, he should do one or the other. Well I think maybe you could speak to this. So first of all, it is interesting that you don’t cook, right, I think if you were to analyze not personality, but if you were to analyze background, I was raised in a very traditional home where my mom did all the household duties. My dad couldn’t cook anything, wouldn’t cook anything. He basically– He’d grill a steak. Yeah he was the grill man, he was the grill man. He’ll grill a steak, he’ll barbecue the chicken, but it’s basically, I don’t know what it is about baby boomer men but it’s like I’m only gonna cook if I’m outside. The moment that I come in it’s like this isn’t my territory. Lots of reasons for that. And so, my mom did everything for us. Like, my brother and I never did laundry. I think she was just like, you guys, she didn’t have the patience for us to make the mistakes that we would have made. She was just like, “Just let me do that,” you know, and that’s kind of a baby boomer mom kind of thing in a lot of ways. So going into college, I never cooked anything. But I liked to eat so much that there came a time in which I was like, I have to cook for myself. It wasn’t like, I wanna be a cooker. You know, it was like I want to cook so I can eat. And I love it and– So in our dorm room, we had one of those toaster oven things and I don’t recall using that much. Not really cooking, even if I were to use it but– So then you’re referring to when we got our first apartment that had a kitchen. Yeah and– You started cooking stuff. Yeah and also, Greg could cook a little bit. Tim could cook a little bit. We all kinda could cook a little bit but it was like, okay I’m gonna make Hamburger Helper. I’m gonna make mashed potatoes out of a box. But you never, you were like I’ll eat it but you never were like, I’m gonna make the Hamburger Helper. I’m gonna fry up the hamburger. Well you know what, Rhett there’s a saying. It goes a little something like this. Too many cooks in the kitchen. I mean there’s four guys livin’ in an apartment, three of ’em are cooking in the kitchen. Well no but here’s the thing, we would– There was also the laundry was in the kitchen. We would divide up the cooking. It would be like tonight Greg is gonna make this or tonight Tim is gonna make it, tonight Rhett is gonna make it but there was never a tonight Link is gonna make it. That never worked into the mix. But I find it interesting. We never talked about it, I didn’t care. I have no ill will about it. But you were actually on your own a lot. Yeah. Greg being raised by a single mom and being home alone a lot, like you could have cooked a lot of things. You know what– So why didn’t you? I think maybe– ‘Cause you gotta get into this guy’s head. I think that plays into it because I think my mom, because she had so many demands on her life and feeding me being just one of ’em, I think it was like, anything that was pre-made at the grocery store we needed to get. We needed, she didn’t have the time or the energy to cook as much so let’s work with that theory because I, fact. Everything in our house was like, you pull up the foil top and then you can just, you eat it with a spoon. Applesauce, pudding. All the best things. All the best things. And then bars, you can just open up and eat. Or cookies. But you didn’t eat bars for dinner. I mean she always cooked when I came over. She wouldn’t– She had that stove top– Skillet. Skillet thing that you put on the counter, yeah. Yeah she had her, we talked about in the Book of Mythicality, she had her few meals that she would, she’d serve– Rotation, yeah. She had the rotation. I don’t know, maybe that has something to do with it though is that a lot of it was stilL packaged and I was, I would be home alone for lunches over the summer and I remember my favorite thing was, you’d peel the top off of this package that would have roasted chicken legs from like Holly Farms or whatever it was called. Roasted, fully cooked chicken legs and I wouldn’t even eat ’em hot, I would just eat ’em cold. It’s like so easy. Right. So it’s like it’s so easy, it’s so tasty. I was rewarded. Why go through effort when I gotta do is rip the top off of this thing? That’s what I learned as a child. Just rip the top off, brotha. Get to something else. Like playing cards by yourself in your room, looking at your G.I. Joes. Yeah I mean, to me, so I think that when you think about cooking, there is no joy, the joy of cooking. I’ve never experienced it. Ironically, I mean, when I took that cooking class in Thailand, I started, I was like oh, I had this knife for a second, I was chopping stuff and I actually, he made the meal and then we made it. It’s like I could see how this could be fun but it felt like an entirely new experience to me, like I never experienced the fact of putting stuff together and also, I think there’s anxiety of having never done it, it’s like all I’m gonna do is screw this up. There’s no way this is gonna work. Fear of failure. There’s a lot of steps, there’s a lot of things to get right and if I’m gonna do it, I gotta do it exactly right. I think maybe– So it’s a lot of pressure. I think maybe ’cause cooking versus baking– It’s not an art to me. Baking is more probably your style because it’s like all these specific ingredients and specific temperatures– But it’s too intimidating to get into the exactness of that. I feel that way about all of it. All right so maybe this will help with your boyfriend. ‘Cause from my perspective, the reason I like doing it and I don’t do it that often. I usually, the weekends is when I have time to, I’ve got time, you know. I get home probably seven o’clock and so, and sometimes Jessie gets home at the same time and then we’ll either do take-out or we’ll eat something late. We’re not one of those families that eats at the same time. We eat somewhere between six o’clock and nine o’clock and you never know when it’s gonna be. But the thing that I like about it is I do like building and creating things. I’ve never done it but the idea of making a sculpture or painting a painting, getting into something like that that there’s a process and then there’s a final product has always been intriguing to me. I think it’s one of the reasons I like what we do. But the beauty in cooking is that you get to do the process and then you get to eat the final product. So it’s better than art because you get to eat it. I love to eat so much. It’s one of your favorite things. If I could paint a painting and then eat it. That would be incredible. So what you’re getting at for me and him, ’cause this is also– You gotta find something you can connect with in the process. You gotta find the joy. Where’s the joy? For you it’s the art of creation and then the art of consuming. The art of creation and the exercise of consuming, of tasting. And there is a sense of accomplishment that I’m not gonna make something that’s as good as what we can get take-out in Los Angeles, most likely. But I did it, man. I’m eating the art that I made. And so yeah but back to– Like a child eating Play-Doh. Back to her username, @scienceisanart, ironically. Maybe we’re onto something that can help you tap into his passion because, you know, you’re a little divisive in the way you’ve written this. Apparently spaghetti is too complex for him. You’ve gotta lose the ‘tude, first of all. Just because he doesn’t like cooking, it’s just like the stuff you don’t like doing. You’re not gonna shame him into cooking. But I think– But you can lure him into it. What’s the best dish, ’cause the first thing that comes to mind is grilled cheese. I think that you cook stuff together– ‘Cause grilled cheese is a sandwich which is easy but it’s a slightly cooked sandwich. With every step of cooking the grilled cheese, you take off an article of clothing. You know? Make it a little– Make it a bedroom– Make it foreplay. Mix it up again. You can do this on either side of the kitchen. Right. Which you always use the same burner, use a different burner. There’s a saying, Rhett. And this is how it goes. Lovemaking starts in the kitchen. I agree with that. So that’s another one. One may be art, another may be bribery, I don’t know. I’ll give you an Amazon gift card if you learn how to make spaghetti. Again, that’s not a good idea. Well the specific question was what’s the most basic dish? I don’t know, I’m not putting a lot of thought into this. I don’t think it’s about how basic the dish is, it’s not about the dish being easy, it’s about tapping into motivations. Yeah I agree with that but you gotta start somewhere so– Well I think that’s a secondary, you can’t answer that question, you can’t give him grilled cheese until you’ve come to motivation because the motivation– Yeah you gotta address the motivation. Oh it needs to be beef stroganoff. Maybe just get, make a painting and let him eat it. And if you’re taking off the clothes, you can call that beef take it off. Oh. Clothes. Make it a game. That’s a good recipe. It’s a whole book. Beef take it off. Give me another question. Oh we’re really nailin’ ’em this morning. Mariah Bozzell. @MCBozzell on Twitter, I drive my friends crazy talking over them all the time. I just get so excited! Tips for being a less obnoxious conversationalist. This hits a little close to home. What do you mean? Well considering that not too many pods ago, we talked about this. However you can’t in fact– Then it’s stupid for hunters to not wear orange. Hold on. Why are there so many hunters– Let me get this out. The second thing is, one time– But I’ve seen hunters not wearing orange. Yeah ’cause let me just finish the damn sentence, man. It’s more than one sentence. The point– It’s multiple sentences. And my theory was– And I’m not gonna do that joke where I interrupt you because it’s played out. My theory was that you interrupt me more than I interrupt you. And it got a little prickly. And then you what? You gave an assignment. No I just said, okay somebody make a compilation, and we actually talked to Kiki, @youresoloud about this when we met her at VidCon. After she had answered your call. She made a video that was a series of you interrupting me and most of the time saying, “Sorry to interrupt,” when you did it. It was not an exhaustive compilation. No it wasn’t, it wasn’t. I think it was funny that she answered your call and it was all in good fun and I found it humorous. But listen, I mean, for that one, she did some kind of search. There was some sort of search with interrupting. And so what she did was, I think all she proved was that when I interrupt you because I do, I apologize for it and I use the word I’m sorry for interrupting so it’s easier to find it in some sort of like transcript search and you don’t apologize but you do it just as much. Okay and this is– Question mark. Oh, huge question mark. Listen now, don’t get super defensive. I’m not. Okay. I’m just gonna keep breathing in through my nose, out through my mouth. And I’m not mad about this. We’ve actually talked about this in the past. Because first of all– And let’s have, I just interrupted you. I’m sorry for interrupting you but I’m gonna have a real conversation and I’m not gonna do any for comedic effect anymore. From this moment on, we’re having a real– Real conversation. Sincere conversation about interrupting each other. Okay I think there’s a couple of things. We both like to talk. We both like to hear ourselves talk. This is a recipe for interruptions. I do it and you do it. And I think that who does it more does have something to do with what it is that we’re talking about at the time. If I get passionate about something and I feel like I’ve got a lot of important things to say about it, I will be more likely to interrupt and I guess the same holds true for you. All that being said, there is a phenomenon and this is where the whole apologizing about interrupting doesn’t really come into play and I don’t really know how often you do this in the context of us just being on a podcast or even on the show. But this is the thing we talked about before. You interrupt a lot and you don’t know that you’ve interrupted. So you’re not being rude on purpose. And the way that it happens most often is, we’re in a conversation either together or most often, in the context of a larger group and we both begin talking at, well, usually what happens is I start, when this particular thing happens, I start talking and I get one to four words out and then you just start talking. And then my personality is pretty deferential in those circumstances so I tend to stop talking. You don’t even know that I started talking. It isn’t like I don’t care about what Rhett has to say, I’m gonna start talking. My theory is is that– Well I can tell you what happens. The way that your brain kinda works is that– So it’s not a theory. Yeah, I think in like meetings type of thing or when we’re making decisions, we’re processing, so it’s not like shooting the breeze. I think you’re really talking about when we’re in… I’m not just gonna say a business conversation but a strategic or something that’s like, there’s a lot of moving parts, I tend to, I think and then speak about it a little slower, so I’ll be a beat behind and then, but I’ll be thinking intently and forming my thought and so someone may have started talking but those two words that you said I didn’t hear because it was, I was still in the silence of about to speak. I would say it happens between 20 and 40 times a week. I’m not exaggerating. But it’s just kinda become a part of the way that we interact. Do you agree that it’s like in the office, kinda like in meetings? I think it’s in any group conversation. You think it’s any shooting the breeze. Any conversation, any group conversation. So there was, a couple years ago– This is an intervention. So there’s, no. We’ve talked about it before, there was a couple years ago where I made a decision that what I was going to do when it happened was, I was just going to not stop talking. Because I’m, I know I’m an, trust me. But I’m actually, I’m a little too nice in certain situations and so I am very deferential, my personality is to be pretty deferential. If there’s two people walking down the sidewalk, I’m gonna be the one who moves and says, “Excuse me.” Right, that’s kinda, I tend to do that almost to a fault. So my natural disposition is, he started talking, I’m gonna stop talking. So I try to do a thing where I would start saying something and then you would start talking and I would just talk a little bit louder and then it just didn’t work. Well I don’t remember you doing that but I can only imagine that that would just make me angry ’cause why is he talking, why is he yelling when I was talking? Welcome to the club. But I still cannot believe that if you’re saying I do this 20 to 40 times a week, I cannot believe that. It’s a fact. I cannot believe it. I’m not exaggerating. And so– But I know that you don’t know it because you’re not, ’cause I know that you wouldn’t do it intentionally. So it’s just kinda become a thing, this– Don’t know what. Don’t know that you had started talking. Right? Yeah but you’ll notice and you probably hear this from me. I would say a couple of times a month, especially if I’ll be like, “Hold on, I’m talking.” You’ll hear me say that, right? Hold on, hold on a second, I’m talking. That’s when I feel like what I need to say needs to be said right now. Most of the time I’m like what I need to say can probably be said after Link finishes saying what he’s gonna say. That’s typically what I do. So my theory is that as it might translate into, again, it’s very different in this context because I’m in year ear on a microphone. I don’t think what we’re talking about now applies to Ear Biscuits. I don’t think it does either. So I do wanna talk about that which is what I thought we were gonna talk about. But we need to come up with a plan for this because I cannot believe that it’s 20 to 40 times a week. I just can’t believe it. And if that’s true, I want to know, but there’s gotta be– Do I need a bell? Ding! No there’s gotta be, there’s gotta be a way that doesn’t involve a bell. How about you wear a shock collar. Oh you can’t start making jokes. We said we weren’t making jokes, this is serious. Okay, all right, okay. I’m just saying there’s gotta be a gentle way, a gentle and private way for you to say, or you know what, it can’t be private ’cause there’s someone else in the conversation. It doesn’t happen when we’re just talking to each other, it happens when the two of us are talking to somebody else. Right? It happens but you do it with other people in the office as well but they all do what I do, they just stop talking. They stop talking ’cause the boss is talking. I stop talking because I’m not willing to– I honestly don’t know what’s happening because– I already knew, I already know. It’s because of the way, it’s exactly what you said. What you explained is you’re not a rude person. It is, he didn’t, he was thinking about what he was gonna say and you tend to not listen when you’re thinking about what you’re gonna say and so you’re not hearing me speak. But it’s when there’s a silence and then it’s like, it’s the kickoff of the conversation, so it’s not like you’ve been talking and talking and talking and then all of a sudden I interrupt in the middle. Again, those are the type of things that happen on Ear Biscuits. Sometimes it might happen that way if there’s a pause. But the theory is that– And I was gonna continue. If there’s a pause, and then it’s like oh now is a socially acceptable opportunity for someone else, potentially me, to speak, so I’m going to speak but I’m gonna need to formulate what I need to say because up until this point I’ve been listening. I haven’t been formulating a thought. It’s like, it’s not that extreme but I think so linearly that I live my life so linearly that maybe not that extreme but I do think that happens where it’s like I am listening and then there’s a pause but I haven’t been thinking about what I’m gonna say so– Well you’ve got two modes because you have a, you’re actually much more likely to speak your thoughts, to speak without thinking than I am and that’s a certain mode and you tend to be in that mode when we’re entertaining which I would say this is entertainment, hopefully. And then also on the show so it doesn’t really happen in that situation. But the real life version of that is that I’m a verbal processor. So sometimes I don’t know exactly what I think about something until I begin to speak it out. So I don’t say things definitively, I say things explanatorily. That’s how I speak. Which ironically would make you, lead you to believe that I could fill a gap immediately because I don’t know what I’m gonna think, I verbally process it. So those things don’t work totally together but I do think my theory is, ’cause what I’m getting at ultimately is some way that you can gently flag that it’s happening so that I can be receptive to the feedback, so that I can get better about it, if you’re right. You’re not making this up. But it’s that hard for me to believe that it happens 40 times a week. Well 40 times a week would be eight times a day. I said 20 to 40. I would have been fine with once or twice a day. This seems like a lot more than that. I think it depends on how many of those conversations we’re in but anytime we’re in a– One out of how many conversations? If we sit down and have a meeting where we’re both speaking about something, it is going to happen. Okay, I don’t like that. But I’m saying, in my defense I do think that it’s most likely to happen at a point where there’s a pause in the conversation and then in that pause, I’m formulating something, someone else begins to speak, but in my formulation I still feel like I’m in the gap and then I start talking a beat later. ‘Cause I do know another thing that happens is we’re in a meeting and we’ve been asked to make a decision about something or give creative feedback on something and then you’ll, one or both of us will give feedback, then there’ll be a pause and then the person who’s talking to us like Stevie will then move onto the next thing and then halfway through her moving onto the next thing, I say one more thing about the last thing because I’m still thinking about it. And I realize that. You know that you’re doing that ’cause you say, “Sorry, “before we move on.” And I do that a lot. I do know that. I would say that if we’re in a meeting where there are seven items, three of those items you’re gonna have an additional thought and I actually– And it would be weird for her to have a twice as long pause or ask me, “Do you have anything else?” ‘Cause that would be demeaning. Let me say, I don’t mind, I actually, it’s annoying. What you just said, that situation’s not even annoying, it’s like that’s how your brain works and you are kinda the details guy and the second check and that kind of a thing and that’s part of our process so I welcome that. It can be a little, it sometimes can be like okay, we just talked about that. We got a bunch of the things. I get it. So it can be a little annoying but it’s not really. Even the first thing that we’re talking about, I would say that I am so used to dealing with it that it’s only annoying to me if I’m already a little mad about something at you and then I’m like mm, he’s doing that thing, but it’s not really, it’s kinda like, this is just the way, I know he doesn’t know, he’s not interrupting me ’cause he doesn’t think what I said, he doesn’t know that he interrupted me. He doesn’t know that I started to speak and then he started to speak so if you want to deal with it, I am open to dealing with it but I’m saying that you don’t have to deal with it because A, I don’t know if it’s possible. But you’re saying I do it to other people. Yeah but everybody, I think also, I would say that most everyone else also knows that you don’t, maybe they think you just don’t care what they have to say but that’s a good question. I think most people who get to know you personally are like, oh, he’s not, okay. He’s not being dismissive. I just think maybe he didn’t hear me. I think most people would, who are here long enough would be smart enough to know that. Do you think I’m right that it’s at the beginning of conversations, at the end of gaps? It is when, yeah, but that gap could be someone is speaking and there was a pause and they wanted to continue speaking but you started talking and then they, so if I was saying something and I was making a point and then I said it and then I stopped, but then I started going again and after but then, you started talking. It does happen in that situation but it is, when you perceive a gap, you don’t just interrupt people willy nilly. It’s you think there’s a gap or there is a gap whether it’s within a person’s conversation or it’s in a group conversation. And am I contributing, ’cause here’s the funny thing is I actually observe in other people and I’ve been frustrated by other people who I think have a tendency to when there’s a gap in a conversation they change the subject. It’s like oh they’ve been thinking about what they wanted to say and when they said it, it had nothing to do with what that person was saying and then they just started, so they changed the subject to whatever they wanted to talk about and that’s something that irks me so I find it weird that, is that what I do? No. Okay because I do see, when I see the people who do that, I’m like I do not want to do that. So okay, so I don’t do that, so I’m still– No you’re not changing the subject. And I’ve also noticed– You’re speaking to whatever we’re talking about but you’re doing it after someone else started speaking. The only issue is that in the context of these conversations, it is not unusual, in fact it’s rather common for someone else to begin speaking and then two to four words after they start, you start talking. That is explicitly what it is. Because I also notice when other people, if somebody has a gap in their conversation but they’re in the middle of a point that they haven’t completely made, and then they give, they start talking, that does frustrate me ’cause when I see other people do that. It’s like well they’re not, I was following them and they haven’t made their point yet, but you’re saying I do that. Well yeah, I think there definitely are times when you’re like, but it isn’t– He was obviously halfway done. Hold on. Not fully done and Link started talking. But what you’re doing is, for whatever reason, you are not listening to, you’re not tracking. If you’re tracking with somebody, you’re tracking with somebody. Yeah. It’s when you’ve made a decision that you’re gonna say something, you’re thinking, and sometimes it’ll be like, okay this person’s saying something but you’re thinking about what you’re gonna say because you’re engaging with it and so that point you’re not, I think it’s you don’t, and this is where I’m like I honestly don’t know, you might need to just be, I don’t know what you could do about it. I don’t know if you, you can’t change your ability– This is why I need a flag. Your ability to listen while you’re thinking. I need a flag. If your brain works in a certain way. We’re gonna have to look at examples. So I need a symbol, I need like, you just take your fist and then put your pinkie up and put it over your right nipple. That’s awkward. And then I’ll know, I’ll know that I did it and then I’ll say, okay, why did I do that? That’s why I did it and I’ll be able to explain to myself and to you and if I need to change something, I can, but I’m gonna need that feedback. I think maybe we– And it’s gonna need to be a pinkie. I think maybe there should just be a word. And it can’t be, you just did it. Red light. But there’s other people in the room, you can’t just be like… I just don’t, I wanna equip you so that I’m receptive to this. I don’t know what it’s gonna be. Because if I’m gonna interrupt somebody and then you’re gonna interrupt me for interrupting them and what, tell them to go ahead? It needs to be a physical symbol. Do you think it needs to happen in the moment or do you think after the conversation’s over I can be like, let me tell you that these are a couple of times that you did that thing. When I was saying this or when Stevie was saying that. What do you think would be more helpful? If it’s right after the meeting. ‘Cause I want to assure you– It’s gotta be right after the meeting. I’m not doing this for me. I’m doing this for you– It’s gotta be fresh. If you want it to be done because– Well I don’t think, did you know you were gonna do this when we were talking about it? ‘Cause that’s an intervention. I didn’t know I was gonna talk about it until I saw the question. I wasn’t like, I need to talk to Link about this. ‘Cause we kinda talked about this a few years ago but we were talking about, we tend to like, this is one of the keys to our friendship, I think we check in with each other. That’s why we’re in a relationship with each other. What did we decide when we check, you told me– We were talking about a lot of different things and I think I just threw in there, “And you always interrupt me.” Okay that was a low priority. I don’t think that it was constructed, but we’ve been pretty successful in friendship and in business with this phenomenon existing and so I’m not angry about it. I’m just saying that this is– I don’t feel like you’re angry about it. I feel– But I do think it’s interesting that maybe other people are because I know you so well that I know that you’re not actually interrupting me but maybe other people are like, he interrupts me all the time, I don’t know. I’m gonna schedule meetings with every employee and I’m gonna ask ’em. Now there are times when I intentionally interrupt people in a meeting when I feel like we need to move on or I get what you’re saying or so there are times when I exercise the position of, well I can dictate the pace of this conversation because this meeting’s for me. And when you do that, you acknowledge that you’re doing it. So I don’t think that’s an issue. Right, so it’s like, I’m not gonna, but I don’t wanna lessen, I don’t want people to think I’m doing it when I’m not. It’s disturbing to find out that you’ve done something apparently 20 to 40 times a week that you’re oblivious to. So it’s just disturbing and I like to, you know, yes. Did you suggest putting up the pinkie? No that was me. No you did. After every meeting, I’m gonna say, “Did it happen? “Tell me when it happened.” My theory– I have to know. Well my theory is that– Does that work? Yeah, my theory is that at least initially, you’re gonna go in a conversation in the next, in the coming days and weeks thinking about this and so it’s probably gonna be, it may go away completely for a period of time. When it comes back, I’ll let you know. I’m gonna ask after every meeting. If it comes back, if it comes back, I can have hope then I’ll let you know but it may not happen when you’re just going into like, I know that this thing happens, I didn’t realize it happened but now I’m thinking about it. Just an awareness could be all that you need. Okay, now to shift over in the interest of wrapping up this conversation– Yeah. But I do wanna shift over to the Ear Biscuits dynamic which I think nothing that we’ve talked about applies because we’re in a performance mode when we’re both talking and I do acknowledge that there is an element of the way that, there are times when I’ll interrupt that I thought was more part of the way that this show worked that interrupting each other was part of it, that then through the feedback of listeners, I’m like hmm, it’s actually having an annoying effect or a frustrating effect. Like if you’re in the middle of something that you’re really passionate about, there was a point in the past, not currently, in my mind where I thought that my role in the entertainment quotient of the conversation was to quip and interject and sometimes just to throw in some things when you were going on a monologue and then I think I expected you to do the same thing. Now I may not have reacted in a positive way to it because I may not have been capable of staying on task in my monologue if you were to do it to me and maybe you, I’m throwing out theories here, maybe you knew that so you didn’t do it but if you were to have asked me, I would have described the conversation climate of Ear Biscuits to be that we are both constantly interrupting each other and it’s like there’s kind of a barrage of those things and in the middle of a passionate point, we may go off on this big, long rabbit trail because somebody said something. We may get in an argument or have a laugh attack or go way off and then we come back eventually and that’s kind of a entertainment mode of what Ear Biscuits is. I think we both do that. I think we do it in different ways and I think this is why it’s perceived, I think there’s two factors, ’cause again, this is theoretical. But I’ve also, the second half of my point was I’ve changed my mind about that. Okay , okay. Well okay– So I’m saying that’s how I did think but then just to get my complete point out there, people were annoyed by me interrupting and so I am making a conscious effort over the past few months of doing it less. I’ve literally tried to put my hand over my mouth, okay Rhett’s making a point. He cares about this. It would be frustrating if I kept interrupting. It wouldn’t be entertaining. For some reason I thought it was but it’s not, so I’m gonna just, so I’ve actually, I’ve been trying to interrupt less. I can say I have noticed that. But I don’t think that your instincts were wrong. I think that we interrupt in different ways. And I think that again, neither one of us have ever taken an improv class, right, but obviously the yes and principle is something that is true to improv and I think that as we have a lot of chemistry and we have a lot of comedic chemistry, but your disposition is not yes and. It just isn’t yes and, that’s not, there’s nothing about Link Neal that is yes and. There’s a lot of but what or– Yeah. And– Or totally, or left field. You bring in, whereas you might be telling a story and you’ll notice that the way that I kinda interject into a story that you’re telling is I’m like yep, mm-hmm, or little joke here, in a certain tone and again, and I think it has something to do with being raised in a bigger family where people were telling stories and you’re interjecting and that kinda thing. And you tend to do the same thing but when you do it, it’s more derailing than a yes and kinda thing. So again, it’s part of who you are. I haven’t, it may be annoying to an audience member at times. It’s not personally annoying to me. Yeah I’m talking about them. I think the feedback has been helpful, that’s like, if you’re making a point and you’re obviously getting at something and I’m engaged. I know what you’re getting at but I feel like what normally could take eight minutes, it would be better if it took 16 minutes because that additional eight minutes of something unexpected or… Fill in the blank, it just adds to the entertainment factor but now I understand that an eight minute story that you gotta wait an additional eight minutes to get to the point, it’s also frustrating. So there’s a middle ground of like if you’re gonna add a minute of interjection because it is after all a conversation. It’s not a series of handoff monologues. But I do think that there was an error of my ways in that mindset. Well and I would say that your capacity to let me talk uninterrupted is lower than my capacity for you to talk uninterrupted. But I think that’s a personality thing. You know what I’m saying? I just think that I can kinda, if you spoke for four minutes without me saying anything, there’s certain times when I’ll just kinda settle in and I’m like… Now listen, let me be very clear. I like to hear myself talk. I’m probably perceived as more of an asshole than you are to most people. So I’m not defending myself. I’m saying and there’s certain aspects about the way that those conversations come out that might be like, okay, Link’s gonna tell this story. If I say anything it’s gonna be very, it’s not gonna be derailing. It’s gonna be a little bit additive. It’s not gonna be a different perspective. It’s gonna be like an agreement or it’s gonna be nothing. And I just don’t think that’s your disposition. I think your disposition is if I’m gonna say something, it’s gonna be like the ping pong ball came to my side of the table for a second. So whereas I might enter into more of a hype man sort of interaction, you enter into the ball was just volleyed to me. Let me say something. That’s a little more substantial and probably a little weird. Again, I think that’s what people like about your style of comedy. But I think that’s it’s interesting when you apply it to different types of conversations ’cause I think that… We both like to tell stories from things that have happened to us and I’m not really interested in like who does more of that or whatever, ’cause I don’t know or care, but I think when it comes to talking about ideas or things that aren’t like personal experience type thing, you’ll get on these points about that and I feel like you’re in more of, that’s more of your zone than my zone and so I do think that there’s an interesting interplay with how we discuss those type of things that sometimes it’s not like, okay, you’re making a point, I’m making a counter point back and forth. I think it’s more of like I’m gonna interject things and explore it but I’m not gonna be doing it in the same way that you are so it’s, and so I think that there’s more opportunity for me to have interruptions that couldn’t work in that setting versus when it’s like a story that we’re telling, I don’t think that, I would like to think I don’t do that to you when it’s like, oh, I’m hearing a tale here, this is happening. There’s a beginning, middle, and end so to speak. It’s not an open-ended conversation whereas you feel like you’re moving towards this point or this conclusion but I’m feeling like we’re having an open-ended conversation. And I think in that dynamic, it has led to frustration for the listener. Well and I do get, as a matter of fact, I was, I don’t know how I got here but I was looking at the comments on our appearance the H3H3 podcast which is over a year ago. Mm-hmm. And the nature of the questions that Ethan was asking were very much about like sort of like theoretical things about the YouTube platform and stuff that just immediately I have all these thoughts about, right? Yeah. And people are like Rhett is interrupting Link a bunch. And so like I said, the haven’t beginning of this was, I think it depends on the mode of conversation, whether somebody, whether you would be like, well Rhett is interrupting Link or Link is interrupting Rhett. ‘Cause I don’t think this is a one-way thing. I think that it just kinda depends on the nature of what it is that’s being discussed and who’s more passionate about it. And so in terms of, in the context of Ear Biscuits. I also don’t feel like in those instances where it’s lik there’s a point that you wanna make, if I do interject, you can get frustrated because you’re trying to make a point whereas when I talk about those same things, I verbally process it more so I don’t necessarily know the exact point I’m making. I’m putting it out there for, having heard it and discussed it for us to reach a conclusion together and I think that’s the different way we approach it. So I actually don’t feel, I don’t think I feel insensitive to being interrupted when we’re talking about ideas as you do but as opposed to when it’s a story. So I might be more sensitive to interrupting during a story than I am when I’m interrupting during an idea conversation. Yeah. Well this has become an interesting conversation. From your question, from Mariah’s question. Tips for being a less obnoxious conversationalist. Just talk it out. We turned a lot of, again, this is one of the reasons that we interrupt each other is we turn these questions into just conversations about ourselves. We’re both– That’s so obnoxious. We’re both mildly narcissistic. You kinda have to be in this business. But we– I don’t think I’m narcissistic. But we took, we took the narcissism quiz. You remember, on the show– I don’t remember. And we both got the same score. No I think I’m a psychopath. No that’s sense of smell. That was a different test. But we were, there’s a narcissism self-evaluation that scores you on a scale of one to 30 or whatever and it puts different professions in different places like in a range. Leave it to a narcissist to take a self-evaluation test. And well we did it for show and we both scored, I don’t know, I can’t remember the exact number but it was like a 14 or whatever which is higher than the general population so more narcissistic than the general population and sort of the celebrity entertainer range, we were in the celebrity entertainer range. Which is no surprise, this town’s full of self-obsessed people. That’s what makes Hollywood Hollyweird right? But we got a little but of that that kinda got us into what we do but hopefully not so much that we’re not able to step back and evaluate it for the narcissistic, that we can be. Maybe we helped. Maybe us making it about ourselves helped, at least it’s… Just take it for what it’s worth. I mean I had fun talking about you and me. I’m disturbed, you know… We’ll see, we’ll see how it goes. And I’m gonna be sleeping on the other side of the bed. This is not gonna be a good week– No you can’t have that much change all at once. It’s not gonna be a good week for me. You change one thing at a time. All right do you have a rec? I have a quick rec. This is a little unusual, it’s a product that is not a sponsor but I am making an effort to do less meat-based and animal-based products in my life and in my food. Not cutting them out completely but– For the environment? You know, there’s only good reasons for it, right? Environment, greater ethical reasons, all that. But one of the ways that I’ve incorporated that is into these, speaking of cooking, I’d make these scrambles a lot of times on Saturday morning with a lot of the things that we’ve got in the fridge so you got eggs and cheese and some kind of meat and then mushrooms or onions or whatever we got right? Put some hot sauce in it, put it in a burrito, it’s good. My wife and I like it, my kids are too picky so they eat something else. But I’m slowly moving towards a place where that entire scramble, even down to the eggs is not animal-based and one of the steps towards that was the cheese and this was a big thing for me was substituting vegan cheese which I’ve tried multiple times. Which is nuts. No, like literally. Literally nuts. But I have found what I think is a pretty good cheese that I’ve tried on a burger as a slice and also put the shreds in my scramble, Daiya. D-A-I-Y-A. It’s one of the most popular ones that you’ll see when you go to the section of the grocery store, but I tried it a couple years ago and I didn’t like it. I don’t know if my tastes have changed but I think they’ve actually reformulated it. It’s getting pretty good. It’s not real cheese. Is it pricy? Probably. He don’t even look at the price. But if you don’t eat it next to regular cheese– Yeah don’t do that. Don’t make that mistake, don’t be an idiot. Just put it into something that would normally have cheese. There’s a bunch of different flavors, a bunch of different presentations whether they’re shredded or blocks or slices, Daiya. D-A-Y, D-A-I-Y-A. I recommend you try it. Not a sponsor, maybe will be one day. You said not a sponsor. Maybe would like to be a sponsor, I would like them to be a sponsor. Daiya if you’re listening. #EarBiscuits, let us know what you think about this. You weigh in on the interrupt thing. I think that’s gonna generate a lot of conversation. Oh we may have to title it that, Kiko. Probably. Probably so. All right we’re up for it. Thank you for hanging out, we’ll speak at you next week. To watch more Ear Biscuits, click on the playlist on the right. To watch the previous episode of Ear Biscuits, click on the playlist to the left. And don’t forget to click on the circular icon to subscribe. If you prefer to listen to this podcast, it’s available on all your favorite podcast platforms. Thanks for being your Mythical best.