[Music] welcome to ear biscuits I’m Linc and I’m Rhett this week at the round table of dim lighting our guest is Colleen ballinger she’s best known as her alter ego Miranda sings a politically incorrect tone deaf Fame obsessed red lipstick personality so we did something a little bit different on this ear biscuit for you we decided to ask Colleen if we could speak to Miranda directly have a conversation with her yeah this is like when I guess when somebody’s possessed and you need to speak to directly to the demon which I’ve never done I’ve never seen it done it’s like kind like a seance kind of situation that is not what happened but it’s the best analogy I can come up with not really I mean she just put on lipstick and a shirt and did her hair a little bit differently and boom she transformed right before our eyes but it’s very convincing because when I am talking to Miranda I do I feel like I’m talking to a different person I mean I am it is totally believable here in person especially the audio will be yeah see if see if you get that same sensation we talked to Miranda for a few minutes and then moved on to talk to Colleen but one of my favorite things is reading Miranda’s tweets her Twitter stream was random it’s pretty inexplicable so I was like yes we have an opportunity to get Miranda to explain herself so I I think we gained insight into the psyche of the character and then you know after a few minutes of that we had her transform back into Colleen and had the bulk of our conversation with the person behind Miranda and got the psychology behind you know what what even there’s like three levels of psychology here I was very fast and I only took one level of psychology so I tuned out a while ago when you’re explained yeah and I slept a lot sis Miranda’s introduction in 2009 Colleen has traveled the world performing as Miranda for audiences literally on multiple continents and she’s garnered just over a hundred and fifty million views and 1.3 million subscribers collectively on YouTube and she’s got an extreme cult following amongst musical theatre in through the Azusa the list and professionals known as Murph and ah’s and she’s currently on tour through August and continues to post bi-weekly videos to both of her YouTube channels so here it is first our conversation with Miranda followed by our conversation with Colleen okay Miranda first thanks for thanks for coming to the round table of dim lighting yes of course I do what I can for the young one okay well this audience I think skews a little older I’m talking about you oh okay I’m gonna take that as a compliment it is a compliment I’ll take that yeah respect your elders which is myself do you do any have you done some podcasting before you’ve been a guest on a podcast yeah on my own podcast at my house I do podcasts all the time in my bedroom or with my uncle pets means like that so I’m very familiar to podcasts so and then how do you distribute the pod cat um it just goes to myself so I just listen to it on a cassette tape again after I I do it I felt like a self-analysis type thing yes so I yeah improvement exactly sub-health okay yes the top button yes it’s buttoned of course course you’re known for that yes gotta be conservative okay classy that’s the reason yes of course I gotta be classy lady I don’t want to be disgusting and be porn and showing off my body parts and if I unbutton the top button on my shirt I’d be showing testicle cracks and that’s not appropriate some make sure that that has coming up so I don’t make them in stumble so you’ve never had a like a wardrobe malfunction no never I couldn’t even dream of it do you think that would derail your career if you did well I don’t know I I just don’t even see it happening I don’t think my career would get worse I think it would probably help a little because all the men would fall in love with me so fast but you know I’m a respectable lady standards yes you have standards yes very high standards of course right right how do you know speaking of standards that you’re a good singer or when someone is a good singer well I know I’m a good singer because I have ears so I can hear myself and you know I put video online and people tell me I’m a good singer so that’s proof of it so that’s how I know I’m a good singer how I know if someone else is a good singer I listened to it and decide on my own if they’re good or not and that’s the deciding factor can you give us like a taste of the pipes yes of course with the sound of me so for example that’s a really good song that I’m singing about myself right and it sounded really good some what about something more current I mean like something alter yeah how about a catch a song yeah yeah we’re going down I’m yelling timber you better move you bad for my hands some throw you down do you ever / take in karaoke yes I do um sometimes I do partake in it at my house some when it’s really fun but I prefer to sing perfectional II in YouTube videos understood yeah now one of the things that we’ve noticed in kind of stalking you on the Internet is that you have a pretty active Twitter feed yes you’re very active and we were just looking at your Twitter feed and we noticed you’ve tweeted some things you know just in the past few months that we think we would like you to provide some context for because when we look at them we can’t figure out what you’re talking about okay so maybe you can help explain these things easy yeah so here’s in no particular order here’s one okay my mouth tastes like brown yes I’m just kind of curious if you could kind of help us understand that you of course you know how do you know what that is when you wake up and you’re like huh what’s that taste got it Brown you know when you think of a color and you know what it tastes like uh-huh sometimes your mouth tastes like brown sometimes it tastes like pink that particular day tastes like Brown and what’s the difference between brown and pink pink is lighter sweeter more delicious sort of like a flower Brown is more dirtier tastes like dirt mud brown things gravy no it wasn’t gravy like it was a dirty taste okay I think I understand how about this one I’m awake I just know it but the know was like in oh yeah we’re gonna know yeah because I know it if you know something then you know it that’s a definition of knowing something like the opposite of yes no like when you know it when you when you knew it and you know it in your brain so I was awake because I woke up and I knew it because I was awake so there you don’t that one’s pretty self-explanatory I can’t believe you guys needed me to explain it okay no offense I’m just saying it seems very very simple now that ya liked it exactly uh here’s another one I am seeping out some air that’s a good one that’s a really good one it was just one of those days I felt like air was just seeping out from all the places so I just thought I should tell James yes so sometimes on tenor there are doctors on tinder there are doctors I think she means Twitter she calls it titter I think oh yeah yes the W is silent just like a jiff and gif people think it’s called one thing but it’s really the other tinner w-with silent so yes I’m seeping out air out of all the places just one of those days a lot of breath a lot of a lot of other themes hmm okay this one is a little bit longer and I cannot even begin to figure it out I like it when I see that it is but you know them when you can think every once but again retweet if you agree that was in that one time of my life for I was going through some troubles and I assumed people were thinking the same way as me so I had to get that off my chest did anybody retweet it I got a lot of retweets everyone know exactly when I was talking about you know I know no I don’t know and that’s why I asked about it that’s why we didn’t retweet I’m you didn’t treat oh well we didn’t know we didn’t agree well do you agree now that I’ve explained it you know you know what when it’s that time well here’s an other tweet I love waking up and smelling the moist yes that one is so full you know when you wake up and the room just smells like sleep no you don’t know that when you’ve been sweating and then your sheets are a little bit wet from sweating oh okay smell that the sheets have stinky sheets yes okay got it that’s this I’m talking about stinky cheese smell wet that’s this that’s the smell of moist you know a lot of people don’t like the word moist I don’t know why it’s a wonderful want has a lot of letters in it a lot of vowels and it is very explanatory of things yeah could you yeah my voice sheets moist skin moist meat okay this one’s just one word the tweet was crust yeah that was one morning I woke up and I found crusts in my eyes so yes I would sweet a lot right when you wake up which is I do it was the first thing I think about is my Marfan does and I want to update them on my life and this morning was cross yes because I was trying to tweet crusts in my eye oh darn it again and I just accidentally pushed send too soon but I think they knew what I was talking about you know it’s very relatable crust now when you tweet something like that do people respond with like yeah yeah they get yes or I love you Miranda or what are you talking about but those are just the haters so I don’t listen to them right a lot of those lol’s and I’ll Y’s and things like that some okay here’s another and just get a few more mm-hmm this one’s all in all caps uploading my video now yes that one was that one actually has a bit split explanation forint uploading my video right now and you know that had a deeper meaning behind it you know it was a busy day I had been thinking about life and the meaning of life and why we’re here on earth and how to be a good person and that was the only way I could think to explain it and I happened to be uploading my video at the same time so I killed two birds with one stone with that one and and you upload two videos a week yes Mondays and Thursdays or Moran days and more Thursdays and how long have you been doing that oh wow geez Louise I’ve been on YouTube for I think six years five years but um that Mondays and Thursdays I’ve been doing I think for only two years now maybe three that’s pretty good it’s quite a schedule I know but I’m really good at it and my Marfan does love it some anything for them um how about this one I got that scam but I got that scan but just the word scan with a B on the end yeah you know when you get think about one type of sink you came down with something yeah I’m just gonna if I got really itchy in places the image together know when you’re itchy it seen the crevices of your skin’s chickenpox no no Punk’s just patchi’s shingles that’s and adults hmm never heard of Shango oh you’re talking about scabies scabies maybe you never heard it called that that’s a new one hmm I think you might have made that word up what about tweet I smell that Cree’s mmm CES I smell that crease crease I smell that crease okay I now know what’s up I just I thought it was crazy so when you tweet something like that is it because you just smelled a crease yeah I do I have to let my followers know what I’m doing at every second of the day and that’s what tenors for it’s Facebook YouTube that’s so much chill media everyone wants to know everything I’m up to you if I smell something taste something eat something feel something I’m gonna let them know and at that point you smelled a crease it’s not a crease big-time okay she smelled that crease yeah the Twitpic would have been nice for that okay all right here’s that here’s the last one that one slapped the chair and made it louder yeah that was the I remember this time specifically I was sitting on a chair that was plastic and let her seat out oh yeah it happens that one slapped the chair and made it louder so you blamed it on the chair yeah but that’s you know what I’m talking about points I don’t think I have to explain it much further you’re talking about an air biscuit not an air biscuit exactly an air biscuit yes so exactly you know sometimes that just happens sometimes air seems out but if you’re on different places you get a different consistency of hearing it and that one just happened to be super loud that was really fun some time to let everyone know about that and others know how this chair is to your liking it’s good it makes them quiet okay okay okay so they’re happening but it’s yep it’s quiet now I don’t know if you know but we have Colleen coming in here and she follows me everywhere right I kind of well yeah she’s always following me it’s really annoying when she says she specifically requested more time she said she wanted she thought that she would have more to say she must not know I’m more popular than her oh well okay well I mean we just want to talk to her for a few minutes but do you have anything that you know you like a call to action for the for the listeners out there yeah well of course I mean everyone I’m sure who’s listening knows exactly who I am and loves me already and if they didn’t know which I can’t imagine I’m on tour right now and they can come see me on tour and meet me and listen to me singing and what would they see they would see a live shelf full of comedy fun laughter singing dancing I read hate mail so they can know how to avoid the haters on the internet and the bullies and right now it’s kind of turning into a self-help tour where I teach them how to be better people my audience so it’s kind of like a cinema know it’s a really fun tour but you’re like a what a synonym are you know a cinema for self help to be better yes got it yeah so I teach them I’m like the professor and I sing songs and I dance and all these fun things so yeah I hope everyone can come okay well they already coming thanks for coming in I think the least coming thirst I don’t know if you want to if you guys don’t want to associate you know I don’t like talking I want to okay leave well let you leave before she comes in then okay thank you thanks for having me guys don’t like it soft thanks for thanks for the time this is great it’s unlike anything we’ve ever done I’m sure biggest celebrity you probably had in this room yeah awestruck and we we need you to sign the table like every other celebrity so you can do that right quick grab the Sharpie over there and sign that and then I guess we’ll just be waiting for Colleen did it thank you thank you for having me guys love you so I’m leaving okay keep in touch no okay at this point what’s happening is we have Colleen over here just there’s a wiping her face down she asked if she needed to stay in full Miranda gear for the for the Miranda part and I was like that would help me out a lot and I I think there were a lot of like I just wish that we had videoed that because the the tension in the room I think was the humor of it like but that was funny well I definitely think you know I I have seen in a and a couple other interviews people have requested her to go into the into the impersonation mm-hmm without the the getup and for me I I you know I need I need to see the lipstick yeah they did without the lipstick I just did it you know in the top button okay and now she stopped wiping her face in her mouth they a lot of mouth wiping I know but it still stains my skin like how Colleen is here look here I’m here okay so the tire coming off sure is coming off and the the lipstick is off kind of as much as it can be off right now that was that was something you know it was something we like we like just laying people’s stories bare okay yes so was it it was an interesting exercise for us but I I think that we laid some tweets bear that’s true I’ve never no one’s ever had me explain any of those tweets oh well we didn’t tell you ahead of time it’s like I could tell there were a couple where I was like did I say yeah but I like that I can tell the wheel starts nice oh no I’m gonna have to own these tweets well I you know I was thinking as we were reading these things too you know if you were to look at my Twitter feed and ask me what I was thinking when I tweeted something I would probably be able to oh yeah okay well I can tell you what I was doing that day and why I said that but you know you are assuming a character and then tweeting and so you’re having to kind of go through this double step process that was I mean most of them I didn’t remember tweeting so because a lot of times I just will tweet something random and not think about it or look at it again but I don’t know I was just trying to come up with explanations as to why this person would do something so stupid I mean you’ve had many years of just slipping into Miranda yeah right so I mean I have to how many years are we talking about since the inception Miranda was created in December of 2007 okay and I will get into how but I guess my I’m curious immediately of just that you know after all these years slipping into her is kind of like comfortable skin kind of thing it’s yeah it’s it’s channeling something you created but it’s how would you characterize the a persona like what are you channeling I am channeling so many things over the arc over the years I feel like Miranda has just changed so much and evolved into all of the people that I hate so I think that’s kind of who she is it’s people that um people that I don’t like and a lot of that is me like it’s me from my childhood and stuff so yeah I guess that’s the the quickest way that I can answer that is she’s kind of all of the people that I just don’t like well you don’t have to answer anything quickly here because I think we will get into the genesis of the character and we can kind of see the the components that way yeah Miranda but the thing you know we have a difficult time enough keeping up with our own you know social networking just personally but you have a really active social media presence yeah as Colleen and as Miranda and you know I would assume that you’ve got one of those things where you can kind of you know how do you switch between the Instagram accounts yeah switching between Instagram accounts is awful because there’s not there’s not another Instagram app that I can use with Twitter there’s all these different Twitter apps so I have one Twitter app for me in one Twitter app for Miranda but Instagram is kind of obnoxious Facebook like theirs do you ever walk out and have you ever you know misappropriated a message from the wrong purse yes I did it this morning this morning which way did it go and what do we did as myself I tweeted from the kollene account but I tweeted a Miranda tweet from my account and then I deleted it I always realized I did it right away okay and then I am and then I tweeted right after that like note to self don’t tweet as Miranda when you are choline you’re an idiot like so you did all take pictures of it and they save them all and send them to me whenever they want to make me feel bad because they know they know exactly what happened oh yeah they always why there’s no like it was I was I said something about my video coming out today and then I put all these horrible hashtags so they knew it was for Miranda’s hashtag kony2012 and hashtag blessed and all these things so it’s it’s funny it’s like your alter ego hacked yourself yes well that’s what they say that’s what the kids say like they’ll say Miranda hacked you Miranda hacked you so they’ll play along which is nice of them but you took it down and then repost it which usually I don’t do that usually a I’ve mica that tweet is ruined now I can’t tweet it as the person I wanted to tweeted ass and then I just create something new but this morning I was tired and I was like I’m just gonna tweet what I already tweeted as the wrong person um yeah so do you get into I it you know what I imagine is I see Miranda I see you wake up and then I see your face contort a little bit and you become Miranda and then you think of the tweet was a method actor like I’m not I just kind of sit there I’m like that would be really annoying and I tweet that or I look at my Twitter feed and look at the tweets that I’m like oh why did you tweet that person that I don’t know and then I’ll wager eyes it yeah plagiarize the other so I don’t actually come up with anything on my own it’s I just steal it from people so what do we want to do right do we want to hear the Miranda origin story or the choline origin story first well I think we’re compressing to origin stories into one podcast and two interviews into one podcast also so why don’t we get the why don’t we get the sort of brief version of okay where you from where you come when you know where you come from what was your family like leading up to that to that you know the the moment that Miranda would yeah right I was born in Santa Barbara California in November I guess I can tell you the exact day November 21st 1986 Wednesday probably really cool if you were I’ve been so impressed I hope it was a Wednesday I’m gonna go home and look and so did the soap opera exist Santa Barbara the soap opera like when you were growing up there I don’t know because I didn’t know that there was a soap opera called Santa Barbara the soap opera is there really a Santa Barbara soap oh I don’t quote me on it but I’m pretty sure I mean I’m sure you’re right I don’t I don’t watch soap operas but that’s really cool I didn’t know I’m pretty sure there was a Santa Barbara so you know more about survivors than I do I mean I’ll text my mom but with the time change it would wake her up I’ll talk to her about it tomorrow okay I mean I was young and the restless’ man but I was aware of one called Santa Barbara but not being familiar with that what does it mean for you to grow up in Santa Barbara to me it means you’re in a soap opera what does it mean to you hmm it means you’re in a soap opera no it’s Santa Barbara’s awesome I was really lucky because it’s beautiful there it’s like absolutely beautiful you grow up by the beach or you can just drive ten minutes up the mountain and look like a barefoot kid running around in vineyards really not vineyards but the beach I was at the beach every day and my parents were really good about making sure I appreciate it growing up there what did they do or do they still do it um you know we just be driving down me what do they do for a living what Oh what did I do for a living they meant what they do to make me appreciate it so um my dad sells computer parts I don’t really know he never really talked about it he’s a sales manager he’s an agent he sells like tiny tiny computer pieces that measure small things to put in computers really yeah so uh he doesn’t talk much about it but he travels a lot and my mom is a full-time mom but she she just quit her job she was working at a private Christian school okay she was like the everything woman she was the nurse and the recess monitor and the principal’s assistant and everything yeah that’s what they do and now you said she were she yeah she stopped doing that because she wanted to be um you know closer to her mom and and be there for us kids even though we’re all grown up I think she just she just wants to be a mom again you know she was really hands-on mom all through our childhood and then she got a job when we all moved out went to college and I think she just was like missing being a mom and a caretaker so she’s spends a lot of time with her mom now and her sister and with us kids and you have a brother and a sister who brother is he brothers yeah – brother – older brother isn’t a little okay and I know at least one of your brothers in the sister are also active yeah YouTube is that all three yard well yeah they both kind of um you know I talk so highly of YouTube I really like love working on YouTube and so my sister was like oh I’ll do it for fun and so she started doing it now she loves it and my brother just started a YouTube channel he’s a magician and yeah he’s super talented and he’s really funny and he actually comes up with a lot of the ideas I have for Miranda in my show and he yeah he’s hysterical and so um I was like you should start a channel too so he just started one and it’s going well people seem to like it you know YouTube’s a weird little world and your brother so is it one of your brothers that has two kids he has three kids now but yeah what my oldest brother magician show up in your video yeah that’s my oldest my oldest brother has three kids and he’s out in video she’s awesome nice it’s Miranda and your niece what’s her name Bailey singing let it go we’re singing is that what we’re saying no it’s doing it’s no man even worse in terms of guarantee to make me cry Stevie was like I am seeing should I go you have to watch this cuz she’s coming over tonight am like Oh guys I’m crying I’m sure I can’t cry right here she’s so cute she’s the cutest my little niece Bailey she’s so dramatic she’s such a performer and I’m stoked because I have a show in Santa Barbara and she’s singing in it and sometimes the kids will come to shows like they drove to Utah had a so shows in Utah recently and the kids drove up the whole family drove up and the kids loved performing with Miranda any gonna stay in character so it’s just like she was doing the absolute cutest thing you could see on the Internet and your face is Miranda’s face is pressed up against hers and it’s just giving her these dirty looks like you’re stealing my show I know she did so good I was really nervous about it because I have a really good relationship with my niece and nephews and I just I adore them and it always makes me nervous to be Miranda on them because Miranda mean yeah and I never want to hurt their feelings because I mean to them like when I’m in character I’m yeah awful and they love it they think it’s so funny they just laugh they just get a kick out of it yeah they don’t take it personally right which is good and what they’re more mature than Miranda is really what’s happening yeah well I think the the my own niece gets it she’s six but my four-year-old nephew is still trying to figure it out then they call me auntie panties and he’s like are you Miranda like yes they buy your auntie panties too right yes he’s like are you real but I was two people he doesn’t quite get it yet I don’t think like he doesn’t really know if he thinks Miranda’s funny he just like thinks they’re both me it’s must be very confused trying to reconcile it all right yeah yeah so what about your family led to your you know interest in the arts were your parents yeah into that my parents weren’t into it all my oldest brother magician I mean he had been doing magic and performing that way my whole childhood I saw him do that but my grandpa actually was the one who got me really into theater and performing my grandparents used to take me to shows all the time growing up and they were just always really encouraging of me trying to sing and act and they never pushed it they just saw that I loved it um and I was really supportive and my grandpa when I was a little little little he’d be like you’re gonna be on that stage one day I’m you know my grandpa really really encouraged me to do it and yeah he’s awesome that’s who it was my parents aren’t performers at all really no not at all they’re super shy and you know at my shows kids go up to my parents and they want pictures of my parents cuz they’ve seen them in vlogs and stuff and my dad gets so awkward he’s like I don’t want to go out he hides in my dressing room he say I don’t wanna go out there I’m scared they’ll take a picture I guess it just feels so awkward like what do they want to picture with me I don’t understand like he doesn’t get it my kid sells some really small computer parts [Music] oh yeah there there we got on that so you’re your grandfather helps shape your aspirations to become a performer yeah and that’s as a singer I mean I will get to it but the thing that I kind of had to gain perspective on was your background was to be a singer and then you kind of discovered this character right and so the comedian thing wasn’t really on the radar it was more of you want to be a singer and stage performer question mark yeah no that’s true I I wanted to actually to do opera like I I was trained classically I went to Azusa Pacific University it’s a college kind of near LA and I studied vocal performance and I wanted to do opera and then I quickly realized that I didn’t want to do opera I wanted to do musical theater but I still majored in vocal performance and got classical training and then I just started auditioning for stuff in theater anything that I could and I was making these videos as a total joke you know on the side for my friends to laugh at and then they started going viral but and so this was after college it was actually during college during my senior year okay was when I started making Miranda videos and I post them once every couple months whenever my friends and my choir would be like oh you should cover this song as your weird character and at that point I was getting like 15 views you know my most viewed video was like 70 views I wasn’t doing it to be on YouTube you know I wasn’t I didn’t know what it was I didn’t know what a youtuber was the first one the first one that went viral is what everyone thinks the first one the first one you made mm-hmm the first about that the first one I ever made was I’m dreaming of a white Christmas and it’s not public anymore because it’s so different from what Miranda is now mm-hmm it’s super super subtle like the wasn’t you know the comedy that I like is really subtle comedy and that’s I wanted people to believe she was real I wanted people to think this is a real girl who wants people who are you thinking about because I saw that my numbers were you know I knew I had two friends watching the video that I’d sent it to but they were getting 20 views and I was like there are other people watching this that I don’t know and I wanted them to think it was a real person but the motive in making the video at all take me back they are who are you making the video for I was making a video for my friends in choir there’s a couple friends in particular because YouTube had just I just had discovered YouTube and I would search for songs that I was singing for auditions or whatever to see if I could find anyone singing them and what I found was girls singing in their bedrooms to the camera which I had never seen before I was so like thrown off by the idea of someone just talking to a camera or singing to a camera alone in their room that was such a foreign concept to me and I thought it was so weird and these girls were trying to get famous by doing this you know they’re like well I’m gonna help this is helping my career to post videos online and I just was like this is ridiculous you can’t get famous from YouTube like this is so bizarre and there were girls that I went to school with that the character is based on there was a few different girls that I went to school with who were mean just rude girls who were so cocky and drove me insane and so I was kind of poking fun at them and at this the idea of being a youtuber because I just didn’t understand it so you you decided to make a video making fun of them and then you were going to send it to him no no I actually started the first couple of videos I made I just recorded privately and sent them to my friends I didn’t post them anywhere and they were lip synching videos because those were the first videos I saw on YouTube that I thought were where people lip-synching to songs like what is the point of that you’re not even showing a talent you’re just moving your mouth and so I really I didn’t get that so my first few videos that I made were I sent that I sent my friends were private they weren’t on YouTube at all I don’t even think I have those anymore and they’re like these are so funny she put them online and so then that’s why I started posting them on the Internet they’re like you see if anyone sees them so I just started posting them on the internet every once in a while and so did the girls that you made these videos for originally they were also in school with you right yeah same program so they also they also knew the type of girl or the girls that you were kind of making fun of in creating the character yeah yeah I mean well are you asking if the girls that I’m kind of poking fun at I knew the girls that you’re doing a for that they were like oh yeah I know exactly the way yeah yeah but yeah did those girls who you were using to kind of come up with the idea did they find out ever find out about it well they’ve seen the videos I mean that was my biggest fear when the video started going viral was those girls are gonna see this and they’re gonna know I’m making fun of them because I like direct quotes from things that they had said in sectionals or things they had said to me or things they had said in their own videos like I was directly quoting and imitating these people and so but you know like hey guys it’s me Miranda um like every single video I said hey guys it’s me Miranda and that is something I took from a girl who says that exact phrase but replace my name with her name and she says it in that tone like in videos or in purse okay and she’s seen the videos and she’s been like I don’t get it but congratulations you know she did she doesn’t know that it’s you know I think the thing is that I said I don’t get it but congratulation you were like frantically writing that I think that the girls that I’m imitating are you know they’re like Miranda so they would never assume it was about themself I quickly realized that and then I was okay because at first I panicked a bit right there’s an American Idol audition type of thing that I you’re kind of describing on a personal collegiate level but I don’t know if that was a point of reference for you just the the people auditioning who didn’t realize how horrible the lack of self-awareness yeah yeah I think that is that’s just that describes Miranda I think she’s just just just a lack of self-awareness that’s a perfect description of her because she thinks she’s the most beautiful talented person in the world and it’s quite the opposite so two views turns into 20 and you’re like okay there’s 18 people I don’t know watching this thing well the comments were what made me be like oh someone out like I got my first a comment that was it you suck you’re not that good and you’re rude and I was like I don’t know who that is like I don’t know this person and I don’t I don’t know how they found my video but this is funny and that kind of egged me on to keep doing it I don’t know why I just I really I wanted people to not like this character I didn’t want her to have any likeable traits at first and then well it’d have changed and then I mean I definitely noticed going back and looking at those that first year or so of videos that the the very early videos were very subtle yeah and you kind of slowly started turned into a clown amping it up and I think that you know the first one that really popped for you of course was the free singing lesson yeah free voice lessons and you look at the like dislike ratio on that and you immediately understand that a lot of people totally thought it was rude yeah and that’s you know so yeah that was all intentional that was intentional for sure and in the beginning because that was a you had already been doing it a year before it we started a pop mmm-hmm so when that video went viral everyone did think it was real and that’s why it went viral because people wanted to spread like oh look how stupid this girl is you know we love to hate as America and that’s everyone was spreading this video on Facebook this idiot girl trying to give a voice lesson she sucks and I thought it was so funny so I actually was really crazy about making sure my name was deleted from everything like people slowly started to find information on me and put it in the comments or posted in blogs and stuff and I was crazy about making sure it was always deleted and once I started doing live appearances I would walk to the venue in character I would stay in character the entire time never break and leave just the whole time as Miranda I didn’t want anyone to think that she could have been of character yet because that was the key to the success of like continuing and right at that point that’s what that’s why people were watching and I saw that I was a people are watching because they think she’s real in the hater if they know that it’s fake no one’s gonna watch anymore so I was really really picky about making sure no one knew who I was okay so we’re interested in when you made the switch to kind of embracing her as a like coming out as she’s a character but that happened after you started doing live performances Helen so how did that happen it went from one viral video to typical I mean people are on YouTube for many years before they feel that they’ve got the confidence or the fan base to step right and do touring right you were like oh I’m gonna do this I’m gonna do this live show right now right well my videos were really popular in the musical theater community especially in New York City and in the West End in London and I was getting a lot of emails that first week that that free voice lesson video got popular from people in New York City who were like come perform with our Broadway cast or come perform at my open mic night people that quickly huh just was based on the one video yeah they were all just I mean that’s in theater it’s all about networking and they just want to tell you they like your stuff they got it these people got it they got it and they yeah they did research and found like old old videos of me singing like in college and so I would ml some people I got an email from the cast of Mamma Mia broadcast and Jim Crusoe who runs a cast party like an open mic night in New York City at a jazz club and a couple other little things like that and so I was working at Disneyland at the time and doing what I was singing I was in high school musical and I was just like I think I’m just gonna go to New York like I think I’m just gonna go meet these people because at that point they were just like hey we think you’re funny if you’re ever here you should come hang out and it was just kind of that it wasn’t really anything more and I thought this is my 15 minutes you know I might as well go take advantage of it did you have to quit the Disneyland gig no I got someone to cover my shifts for a week oh and I just flew out to New York City with every penny that I had and performed on The Lion King stage and performed with the cast of Mamma Mia and performed at jazz club and what was the context that they created for they were did you know because if you’re there doing something serious or whatever Miranda gets up there in the crowd doesn’t know what’s going on right exactly well and that was kind of that was kind of fun because it’s not like that now but back then no one really knew who I was it wasn’t you know when I say viral video it’s not like how a viral video is now where it gets millions and millions of hits it was like a few hundred thousand you know and so it wasn’t like crazy viral just it was viral within the community yeah but when I walked on stage for it was a benefit it was a Broadway benefit performance in all the different casts on Broadway performed to raise money for whatever charity that year and I performed with the cast of Mamma Mia and it was a joke they were taking they were doing a very serious like interpretive dance and then Miranda came out and just kind of ruined it by singing her horribleness and they all stayed very serious and stoic and the audience didn’t really know how to respond and it was funny because I’d walk I walked on stage and I remember there was like little pods in the audience and this huge like huge theater just little pods where they broke out into laughter because they knew what it was but the rest of the audience was just staring at me like who is this freak on the stage and like almost like they were in pain like they were like I don’t think we can laugh like issue is she okay is this like a charity thing they’re doing for all like right so that was when I’m that was like when my first times onstage though I had never done Miranda in front of anyone before hmm and then I went over to the open mic night and performed at this jazz club and the owner of the club was like you did great I just improv for five minutes on stage I didn’t have anything planned they’re like we want to give you a night here at Birdland you can have your own show do you have a show once a week come back and do it once a week but they just like every once in a while come and have like a cabaret like my own show and I said you have a show and I was like yes I can make a show you know I can make that happen and that’s all I knew too so it wasn’t that scary lied but you were like I will have it now that I’ve said that I’m gonna have it it wasn’t a lie it wasn’t a lie I just knew that like if I said no I would have regretted not doing it and that’s I was comfortable with that that’s what I knew my whole life I’ve been performing live on stage so I didn’t know YouTube I didn’t know you could make money on it I just thought it was a place where you upload videos and I thought well I have an audience here maybe this audience will come see me in person on a stage so I just made a show and I put it in what I thought was funny and then I did it live and the audience tells you what works and what doesn’t so over time I figured out what bits works and what things work really well on a live in a live setting and what bits work well on the Internet and just kind of created a live show and this is where you find yourself being a comedian you know it you were it it seems to me that I mean were you blindsided by all of a sudden now I have to be a comedian you know were you always funny the improv skills that you have was that the piece that I’ve also got that or no and I’ve got to find this now yeah I think I grew up going to improv shows my brother always did improv stuff had improv shows all the time in high school so I always go to his shows and I also grew up watching comedy the only things I would watch Monty Python and Christopher Guest movies like character II movies and character II TV shows that’s what I grew up on and my dad’s really funny and really he’s got a weird sense of humor and the same with my brother so I just kind of grew up in this kind of off-kilter weird comedy environment I guess and so it was something that was in me that I didn’t really know I had I guess because I got on stage and improv just came kind of natural to me I just it was easy for me to improv and I’m much more comfortable improving than I was you know I realized this all those years I had stress about memorizing lines and trying to find a character through a script was so hard for me and when I can improv it’s it’s so much easier it’s it’s something that I just never knew I could do until I was forced to do it in those first Maranda shows done it before does that require a move did you move to New York I did move to New York I at first I was going back and forth because I had the job at Disneyland and that was paying my bills and I was performing as Miranda but I wasn’t getting paid I was just doing it because I liked it and people were coming so I was just doing shows and making appearances and then I realized that people would pay me to do what I was doing and so I eventually I think I traveled back and forth for like six months from LA to New York I’d go like once a month and perform and it was not popular in LA at all like no one cared about I tried to do a shot here I can no one wanted to come like it was just not it didn’t work so I was like I gotta go to New York that’s where this is happening so I lived in New York for like a year and a half two years and then and then that’s when I was like wait all the youtubers are in LA and there’s money to be made there so then I came back here okay so is that because your YouTube channels started to develop you know more of a fan base that was you know it seemed like you were following the the live event kind of path but then it that started to grow and started to gain more weight yeah I didn’t understand YouTube I didn’t get it like the the reason I created the character is cuz I didn’t understand it you know I was making fun of something I didn’t know anything about and so I was making these videos and people were telling me you can make money on the internet I was like no you can I’m not making money on the internet like you have to make money by doing something else and that’s why I’m doing these live shows and I met my now boyfriend in New York who’s obsessed with the u2 that’s how he found me and that’s how we met and when we started dating he started showing me all these videos of people on YouTube the first video he showed me was Shaytards channel and I was like you know what what’s his name Josh Josh yeah no I I watched the Paris vlog oh ok so here you are in front of the Eiffel Tower giving the whole story I know so you know everyone can watch the video if they want the the whole story of how I met my boyfriend the mushy details oh my gosh but he he was a fan of Miranda and then stalked you as a human being yeah and said and me on Facebook through facebook yeah and then I went to your place you you replied to a fan message on Facebook because he had a cute icon no I thought he was gay when I saw his icon I didn’t think he was straight I really didn’t and I I just was like something in me was like he had a right this guy back and I didn’t write anyone back ever back then and I was just like this he was interested in me and I guess that’s what I found intriguing because most people don’t care about it’s fun you had a low night you needed up I had a huge glass of wine [Music] well five years later we’re still together so but yeah he’s obsessed with YouTube and he has been forever and he showed me Shaytards and I was like this family they just filmed themselves like that’s it and he was like yeah and look at this person and this person and I found myself I remember one night he he came up from the bathroom came to the bedroom he’s like are you watching the Shaytards and I was like I love them like I’m obsessed with this family and I don’t even know them like I feel like a freak like I don’t know these people and I love them like you grow to love this these people on YouTube and I just found that so fascinating and I didn’t realize that there was a community on YouTube I didn’t understand that there are people that were doing the same thing I was doing and so that’s kind of what encouraged me to kind of move back to LA and try to see if I could meet other youtubers and be a part of the community that I was watching online well the interesting thing that was happening seemingly simultaneously is that people were really beginning to notice and make a big deal out of your live show yeah I mean like real theater critics no real publications and real magazines not just writing about like oh this YouTube sensation but no this live show is like a incredibly entertaining thing yeah so did you find yourself seeing to these two things kind of blowing up at the same time I mean okay YouTube’s working and now that I’ve got this live show this is a legit operation kind of I never really put much thought into the YouTube videos ever until you know until I moved out to LA and like really took it seriously as a job the videos were always just kind of like whatever and kind of threw throw away but I wasn’t understanding why my shows weren’t selling out as much anymore I was I didn’t I was like where are these people coming and so once I made the move to LA and really invested time in the videos then my shows just started selling out because you know that’s why they were coming as they were there one in good content I don’t I don’t know that it was like overwhelming it was more exciting I was like everything was kind of clicking and falling into place I think I just needed to I needed to understand YouTube better and then everything just kind of started working the shows started selling out and I don’t know it’s I think the live show is more fun and as a it’s more entertaining in the videos I don’t even watch my videos because sometimes I’m like Ryan is so freaking annoying like she’s the girl is so obnoxious but this live show is so different it’s it’s a lot different than the videos are in it but it sounds like you’re you’re moving forward on both fronts well obviously they feed each other the YouTube the YouTube momentum really feeds into people buying tickets yeah well I think that’s all there is to I don’t think the live shows really feed into the videos I think the videos feed into the live shows the videos are so important because if my videos aren’t good and people aren’t watching know it’s going to come to the show and that’s what I want people to do I want people to come to the live show because I think that’s where you can see talent and really get entertained my favorite part of doing a live shows is when parents come up to me and they’re like I hated you my kids talk like you they dress like you and I thought you were so obnoxious and then after your show like you’re so talented you’re so funny and that to me is always like so I don’t know it just feels so nice to know like I can convert someone being a fan through the live show well yeah the interesting thing about thinking about in the YouTube aspect of this and also the the live show is that you know the character of Miranda really makes the most sense as an online personality right that was what you thought of that’s what you were thinking this person who’s there open loading this video as if they’re an authority on rank voice lessons right right and then but it perfect it perfectly translates into the live show so it’s an amazing how it’s amazing how it works out I’m fascinated at the dynamic of the way that Miranda has become who she is and the way that you express yourself as Miranda online in a couple of ways I mean one is the fact that I mean I love the Miranda Instagram disgusting but you celebrate the things that most people try to hide right in themselves right so we’re all trying to present ourselves in a certain way through our Instagram pictures and just the right angle I know I’ve got to do this filter and all that stuff and you do exactly the opposite we were talking about this earlier today and my theory was that you’re probably a much healthier person psychologically you’re as yourself because you have this alter ego that just is all your insecurities just out there just celebrated on the internet yeah yeah yeah it’s true I think I think I wasn’t that way until kids started messaging me and emailing me because originally the the intention was to be hated and then I started getting emails and letters that were like I didn’t like who I was and you taught me to be confident Miranda cuz you don’t care what anybody thinks you still love yourself no matter what and it blew my mind that with this stupid character who’s a brat was actually helping kids like love themselves it was so weird I never thought that would happen and I think that’s kind of when it started shifting into you know she’s still an idiot and she’s still super confident and untalented but kids kind of find comfort in her somehow I don’t know and then I started kind of to embrace it a little bit more like pick the uglier angles you know if I have I wake up with a huge zit you know I’m gonna take a picture of it you know I remember I got pinkeye a couple years ago and the first thing I thought when I woke up with pinkeye and I was like crusted shows so gross I was like this is going to make such a good video I was so excited that I had pinkeye so yeah it’s been kind of fun too you know whenever something horrible happens it’s usually good there’s an interesting aspect to her character too and that is that a lot of the things that Miranda says are tweet tweets can be misinterpreted as sexual very much so and but she at the same time is a bit of a prude and things that anything that’s risque is porn right and so it seems like there’s a hypocrisy there that you’re kind of trying to flesh out a little yeah it’s everyone thinks that I’m being super sexual with these tweets well and obviously I am trying to make it seem like I’m talking about something sexual but my take on it is that Miranda is so oblivious that she doesn’t realize that it’s that’s what she said type of moment she just doesn’t see it that way you know she has Joey talks about her uncle I guess it’s so weird saying she it’s me but yeah yeah she Miranda always talks about her uncle and it’s always implied that their relationship is a little too close and it’s a little a little rapey this is not drawing from so no this is not drawing from anything but I think of it as Miranda is just looking at it like it’s her uncle like my my little four-year-old nephew looks at me like is his auntie that he loves and he would hug me and and we would we do have tickle fights and we do love each other and and he calls you auntie panties and I don’t know I think that’s how Miranda thinks of it she just loves her uncle a lot and they’re really good friends and they play together all the time and it’s inappropriate but she doesn’t understand that it’s inappropriate to be that close to her uncle and I don’t think he means it in an inappropriate way either I think it’s just isn’t there sweetie weird so the so Miranda relationship with her uncle is seems inappropriate but it’s not yeah for the record well that’s that’s the first time I’ve ever said that but that is what I’ve always I’ve always known that I’ve always known that Miranda doesn’t think there’s not actually anything bad going on in Miranda’s life she just always happens to say something that makes it sound so foul and so like yeah she’s just oblivious like she doesn’t realize that she’s right what I mean when I when I see that though and I also I know kind of when you describe the girls that you’re kind of the experience that you’re drawing on and it sounds like probably some girls who were self-righteous right and then there’s this unintentional you know sexual innuendo that’s kind of is coming from that same voice to to me I just definitely would maybe this is even a subconscious thing that as you develop the character but I definitely kind of sense that there’s like you’ve seen some hypocrisy yeah for those people and so she kind of embodies that yeah for sure yeah that’s I mean that’s exactly it she’s everything she says is she’s just a huge hypocrite but she doesn’t know that she is you know she doesn’t she’s not intending to be she just comes across that way right and another ironic thing that that has happened is and you kind of hinted at this earlier is that you become a bit of a voice for the anti bullying nuts and you actually kind of channel some of those hate comments that you get and read those as part of the live show yeah I read a bunch of the hate mail as part of the live show and the live show now is like Miranda mentioned earlier it’s a self-help tour and she goes through all the things in life and teaches kids how to deal with relationships and bullies and self-esteem and kind of goes through all the steps on how to be a better person of course all the time giving terrible advice but yeah bullies is a whole section of the show and how to deal with bullies and that was kind of inspired I just saw these kids like I said earlier they’re just writing me these letters that were breaking my heart and you know Miranda was helping them laugh at the end of the day when they were told to kill themselves all day by these awful bullies and it just and it kind of changed everything for me that’s when I really started taking more seriously the character and I realize that it wasn’t just these stupid videos I was doing they were actually like kids were you know inspired by this girl with all the red lipstick right and and there comes the evolution of you’re not just channeling the people that annoy you right but you’re but you’re now using that framework to then inspire people which is who would have ever thought yeah and I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that I was able to come out and say I’m kollene and I play Miranda because kids then are like I think kids feel like they they are in on a secret or something like they know that it’s fake and they’re excited by that and then some of the kids subscribe to my channel and they get to see me there they get there like I can’t believe you’re you’re so strong to come and be Miranda and be yourself and whatever and I think that helped a lot too is coming out and being myself and when did you decide to come out come on well it was a really slow process it was really hard for me to do because I was really obsessed with Miranda just being Miranda and I wouldn’t take interviews as myself I wouldn’t do anything like when you were talking to that club owner who offered you that one night and you said yes you did all that in character no I guess no that I didn’t do in care okay like in his office yeah I was in his office it was different that’s that could be taken that was branded so anyway I was it was it was very slow process I think what’s it started because I was watching the Shaytards and started to watch other youtubers and I had my own channel that I would upload performance videos to everyone small so my parents could see at home you know upload those videos of you singing so YouTube is where I did that and so just with that channel I decided um a few Christmases ago I was just gonna try vlogging for a week with my family and it was really exciting to see kids watch that and be interested in me in my life and so I think that kind of changed it I was like it’s okay to be myself people are gonna be mad they’re not gonna stop watching Miranda in fact it kind of helped the Miranda numbers go up a little bit because people were searching all the time is Miranda real Miranda sings without the lipstick they wanted to see who I was and a lot of people told me not to do that a lot of people were like don’t do that it’ll Miranda will die if you say who you are so I was really scared to do it and it was really slow but eventually started doing Miranda interviews and kollene interviews at the same time our you know I was it was easier for me to meet fans not as Miranda that took a long time to I wouldn’t leave the bit the building until everyone was gone so I didn’t want them to see me as me but now I’m I don’t care I was really nervous to do it but when it happened it wasn’t like it was a specific day Rose like I’m gonna do it I’m just gonna be myself it was really slow it took a while for me to be comfortable with it and I’m still kind of weird about I feel like I’m still trying to like it’s still hard for me you know like you guys asked me doesn’t want to talk about Colleen and I was like no I don’t know because it’s still like I’m still like holding on to it a little bit like Miranda people need to think Moran is real even though no you know everyone knows right way now that your your you know you’re uploading two videos a week to each channel right yeah and you’re obviously talented not only as a comedian but as a singer and a performer so you know how do you how do you balance that when you think about the future and you’re you’re like okay well I’ve got these two tracks you know I hope that Miranda will keel over at some point or this is I’m gonna take this all the way like what are you ya know I don’t want to kill Miranda I think I will just keep doing whatever the audience wants to see and right now you know I can’t believe it but people are still watching Miranda people still like Miranda as far as the future I you know a lot of people think that I want Miranda to go away so that I can shine and show off my talent but like I don’t I really don’t care about that at all like I of course I want to keep making people laugh because that’s what I like the most and I would love to do other characters and show it off other characters and I’m I’m writing stuff right now with my brother to hopefully show off of their characters in the future soon but it’s you know I I think and will live as long as people want to watch she’s gonna get pregnant and get that’s exciting you know she’s gonna go through it all with me are you pregnant I’m this is the announcement I’m pregnant guys okay I wanna that’s the key to Varsha working is somebody’s got to get pregnant on this show well but but you know a man wait that you should develop a character as a man oh it’s in the works I know I really I really have one and I’m really excited about it this um I know all about it oh you do I don’t I was just gonna be so surprised because having to hold anyone I think I’m encouraging you which is what you’re saying about wanting to develop other characters because I think a lot of people do ask Oh once they say well oh she’s got this great voice she’s got this background when is she going to what are you gonna do your own thing like why don’t you do more more singing on your own channel and really boost that but me personally selfishly I’m like yeah why don’t you develop more characters Miranda I wanna yeah Merman done my man done no dancing that’s what I want to and I think a guy character well I have created a guy character and I’m super excited to us about him I will tell you about him um is he out anywhere he is is he you mean on the internet yet doesn’t live on the internet yet he the plan is for him to live on the Internet I’m writing a show with my brother and it’s gonna have a lot of different characters and one of the characters that we’re developing right now who might he might change you might become someone else but it’s a pastor and he’s based on someone in my family that I I don’t think he’ll hear this he has very good intentions he’s really sweet but he just kind of always does everything wrong you know is she’s just a dad you know he’s always happy and jolly you know he says those horrible dad jokes and he’s just just kind of not he’s kind of an idiot so a preacher dad yeah he’s well but he’s never actually a pastor he’s always like the associate pastor at a church I think it’s fired from every church he goes he just always does something wrong he’s too old to be the youth pastor or he just doesn’t have any miss for it yeah he makes everyone wear nametags everywhere they go and he’s just kind of always inappropriate but on accident like at a funeral he’ll start to sing a pop song just because he just learned it on his guitar you know just like what’s the what’s the look of can you tell us the name of this guy well the name might change I mean I know what the name is right now but it’s like so early if I’ll tell you I’ll tell you it’s pastor Jim okay working title working title what is his look pastor Jim look um he’s got a lot of hair it’s like a you know salt-and-pepper grey like kind of a comb-over but it’s with a lot of hair yeah and we know your hair kind of put up in my hair ya know we were playing with the look the other day my brother and I were trying on costumes and wigs and stuff and trying to find this guy and we really don’t want him to have facial hair but I think we’re gonna have to unless we do come some sort of prosthetic on my face because my face just looked too girly no matter what we did we put eyebrows on me and sideburns and I still just like had a girl face so I think he’s going to end up having a mustache but he’s I don’t know I really like this character I think he’s really it’s a very he’s a relatable character because everyone has a friend who has that dad it’s just like oh please leave the room like you’re so annoying he doesn’t gay but he’s just always jolly so you can’t really be mad at him but he’s so obnoxious but he’s so happy while he’s being obnoxious that you can’t really hate him that’s one of the characters yeah but I have other character boy character ideas that’s just the one we’re developing the most right now and this is with YouTube in mind or maybe but yeah yes no I mean my hope is to kind of do something that’s combining television and YouTube together so that’s kind of the plan but he will live on YouTube in some capacity hmm so you’re you’re pitching it Maranda television show yeah what you’re saying pretty much yes well you should be well we’re trying to but I mean who isn’t pitching a show in Hollywood want you to be back again oh I will be pastor June no I want to be the lead pastor alright I’ll be the youth pastor here we go got it I go back to what I said earlier I think that everybody needs an alter ego that they can just get it out yeah I mean I think that you’re you’re blessed because of this I mean that is our theory for why it probably makes you a healthier person to be a people to just get what you want somebody it’s not yourself it’s so funny because I start the show as the live show as myself and then I change onstage in to Miranda in the middle of a song and I go onstage as me and I am always so nervous like I’ve done this hundreds of times and every time I go on stage I’m shaking I’m so nervous and the second I put the lipstick on I don’t care like the rest of the show I’m a tease I’m not nervous at all like so weird how just a little mindset of like now I’m this person who can get away with anything and there’s no nerves anymore do you have an aversion to lipstick in general as Colleen I mean is it like okay well I can’t wear a duck here you can’t put red lipstick on no matter what do you what do you yeah I I kind of learned that I posted an Instagram picture a couple years ago of me wearing red lipstick at like I think it was New Year’s Eve or something and all the comments for like you Miranda like you’re wearing realistic yeah so I I don’t wear red lipstick anymore no and and how does it the last thing I’m interested in how this translates into your romantic relationship with your boyfriend is he ever like you know baby can you be marine you know he you know he’s very gross he’s like he’s very sweet and wonderful he’s such a Southern gentleman but when I’m Miranda and I’m doing a video he’ll be like I love you and I don’t understand how someone that pretty can be so hideous you look disgusting like he just he thinks Miranda is the grossest thing in the world but there was one time I remember we weren’t kissing and and he like made a Miranda face at me like I you know I pulled away from the kiss and I said I love you or something sweet and girly and annoying and he kind of made him around to face and so I made one back at him and he was like whoa he’s like never do that again he freaked out he like pushed me away from him okay and I haven’t done it since so maybe I should just try it out maybe faster Gemma work for me I’m gonna go freshen up in the bathroom this has been fine this is uh wise for me to think about here about creating an alter ego about all that stirol’ yeah extremely fascinating thanks for hanging out thanks for having me letting us gain some insight and you get to sign the table twice no me too yeah so you know this is uh I’ll sign it by Miranda’s name there it is our ear biscuit with Miranda and Colleen I really enjoyed getting to know both of them and I’m still amazed at how I see them so distinct who wouldn’t have been time with I had a longer period of time Colleen I think that’s pretty obvious you know it only is the type of person I could actually be friends with as a person Miranda somebody that’s very entertaining to be around but you kind of feel like you have to be on your guard the whole time you feel like I don’t want to I don’t want to make a I don’t want to say something that she thinks is stupid or apologizing for her to everyone else that the two of you may be running into that’s that would be my issue with Miranda Oh like I’m sorry she didn’t mean it that way um etc etc or etc I don’t know how to say that word either but that’s a different thing that’s like a Miranda tweet I also really appreciated coing story in the sense that she seized particular moments and made it happen you no she’s getting emails with this viral video in a certain theatre community in New York they wanted to come okay yes I’m gonna come to you and I’m going to do this thing and then the club owners like can do you have a show she’s like yes but she didn’t you know but she just made it happen she had confidence pivotal moments where you have the right amount of confidence I think that was that was the key and and a unearthing an improv skill that untrained but innate yeah and I always appreciate it when people from traditional media sources recognize talent on YouTube because I feel like there is so much you know I feel like they’re just because people haven’t gone through the traditional media loopholes and gone through that gauntlet you know and got the traditional auditions and all that stuff you mean in theater in this case yeah just like there’s these you know people staged performance you read what people who know a lot about theater and know a lot about Broadway have to say about her they don’t talk about her like oh this girl’s on YouTube and second class theater yes it is she gets people to come to her but thing because she’s on YouTube on that YouTube thing but no it’s like this is a legitimately entertaining experience that transcends anything that you could experience online with her which is already great which is what I know and which is what I find hilarious so you know it’s just encouraging I just I like to to hear stories about people who have done something so that comes so naturally to them and has been such a success on a broad scale and she’s coming to Anaheim soon so this show is gonna be there so we miss Santa Barbara but I want to go I think we should we should we should certainly go see one ask Linda Schmidt a day at Disney together just me and you and then we and Miranda we right no just me and you we right it’s a small world things like that hang out you know get some Mickey mouse-shaped pancakes and then we head over to the Miranda sings show can we get the Mickey Mouse hats yeah they’re free they’re not free are they I think there’s a dispenser yeah you just have to sing a little you have to sing once you wish upon a star and then it pop-tarts when you wish upon a steer that turns you wish upon a star dispenser I do know that Walt Disney had to smell a popcorn shot into Disney World because it makes people buy more stuff and you know what the smell is actually made out of burning horses little gnome night next time you go burning horses think of burning horses like a glue plant scenario yeah I was gonna say glue plants don’t smell like popcorn or Disneyworld you don’t think they do yeah how did how did that happen I don’t know well anyway you should you should follow and watch Miranda and kollene at their respective places on the internet they have distinct Instagram accounts Twitter accounts YouTube channels they are essentially two different people people still think they’re two different people but as we have proven today they are thanks for listening oh really did this your biscuit I was gonna say it was one person it is it is this one you’d be wrong her name is Colleen playing a character and there’s actually only one person between me and you maybe it’s time we break that news his name is Roger hi this is Roger I do a really good impersonation of two different people and I look very different this is me Roger right now – yep so this has been Roger hope you enjoyed this year biscuit I will see you again next week Roger Roger [Music] [Music]