[Music] welcome to ear biscuits the podcast where two lifelong friends talk about life for a long time i’m rhett and i’m link this week at the round table of dim lighting we’re talking about our college experiences and how that translates into the advice that we’re now giving to anyone who cares to listen and maybe mostly our children yeah if they care to listen yeah they don’t usually lily is on the precipice of college university life uh she’s on the quarter system so as of the release of this she’s still like three weeks away from going off to school now i do anticipate that i will share with you my experience of taking lily off to college and that so that’s an entirely different ear biscuit that probably like a month from now is going to come out but i’m definitely in this head space of every day is one less day we have her in the house and there’s kind of this like i feel this urge oh yeah i gotta tell her about this i can only imagine i got it you’re becoming the i gotta warn her about this overly sentimental dad who’s giving advice that makes everyone feel awkward i haven’t gotten into a tv trope sentimental speech i mean i’m there’s a lot of emotion that’s wrapped up and i’m saving all of that for for that ear biscuit later but i have observed that like i’m like oh crap it’s like i mean it’s not like we’re not going to be in communication we’re both still going to have phones uh but there is a sense of like she’s not going to be like an embedded journalist in north korea is it no that is not where she’s stuck she’s just going to college uh but there is a sense of if there’s little packets of advice that i can give you know what that’s now the time to do it literal packets advice packets here’s another folder honey i put this one together last dossier well honestly i mean we’re talk we’re talking about it a lot but i think a lot of what i’m sharing today i i i don’t anticipate she’s going to listen to this podcast but i’m kind of going to coalesce well you shoot things off of you put it in a packet make a text file and put it in the packet no i’m going to i said i’m going to run some things off of you like but i what i meant was bounce some things off of you you can run off and then i don’t care maybe i’ll take maybe if you have some advice well yeah yeah maybe i think we’re both i think we’re both bringing you’re going to be here too right right we’re both bringing equal and maybe uh i mean who’s advice is more valuable that’s for you to decide i’m going to take credit for all of the advice that i’m going to turn around and give to lily after this one thing i do want to i do want to say up front uh is there there was a podcast in the past in which we were talking about something related to college and i think i gave some unprompted and definitely unsolicited advice and got some feedback on twitter about it and it was enlightening oh you got feedback on twitter yeah that happens yeah and uh and i do try to i do try to listen you know i i’m we’re just throwing things out into the ether and and we we do want to know when we’ve uh we’ve gone out of bounds and i think the the thing that people said was i can’t remember exactly what the point i was making was but it was very much from my personal experience and the way that college uh happened for me which isn’t representative of everybody’s experience and you know my parents paid for my college i didn’t have to work when i was going to college um i wasn’t going through it wasn’t difficult for me from like an emotional standpoint like a lot of people are struggling with all kinds of anxiety and depression and social anxieties when they go to college like i didn’t have i didn’t have that it was like one of the best times of my life right and so i come from uh my experience is not going to be representative of everybody’s experience and so just i guess well ultimately what i’m saying is that i understand that now and so the things that we’re going to talk about today are not prescriptive it’s not necessarily advice first it’s more this is what we kind of thought that we learned and as we think about our kids going off to school these are some of the principles and some of the things that we’ll be telling them that we actually do think is good advice for them but you kind of have to take it and filter it through your own personal experience and don’t take it as a prescription from a guy who had a pretty privileged experience and you know what that’s that’s that’s the message i agree with that i’m going to do the same thing i think you can apply that uh disclaimer to every episode of your biscuits but there are certain points when i mean we are saying this is advice but as i talked to lily about things a lot of i mean there is this dance of this is my perspective try this on for size but my size doesn’t fit you at every turn so it’s a it’s a dialogue and it’s not there’s not an absolute in the way i present things i mean parenting at this age parenting an adult in any form is kind of like what’s going on here but it i mean there’s still space for it but it feels much different and it’s and it’s malleable and it’s more conversational and i think that’s that’s part of what this twitter thing is it’s part of the conversation that we have on your biscuits wait you know we don’t present things as authority and sometimes when it seems like we do it’s it’s nice to hear but it’s not surprising for us to hear that we we’re only a representation of our own experience and we’re trying to kind of just put it out there within those boundaries i think that parenting at this point i i think that as your kid gets older it’s i and this is difficult for a parent but you go from if you think about like let’s just say a sports analogy you go from being the coach to being the spectator right there there is a there is a moment there where you feel like hey things that i say seem to seem to matter and the rules that i establish they have immediate impact seem to have immediate impact and then slowly you’re like taking off the softball shorts you’ve got other pants you’ve got like parent pants you take off the softball coach shorts and you put on regular pants probably probably khakis you take the whistle and you and you give the whistle to the referee or the you know and you take the hat off and you you sit down in the stands and you just yell a lot and your kids probably aren’t listening to you you’re just embarrassing yourself and the family i think this is kind of a teaser for the conversation we’ll have after lily leaves so we can come back to it but now let’s just unabashedly get into the cold hard advice that everybody should take without question well i do want whether you’re going to college or not before you go uh because i mean i don’t want you to miss the opportunity to tell everybody that you are you’ve made an appearance on a hot dog as a sandwich the mythical kitchen podcast josh and nicole have me on you can listen to it now on on on the show a hot dog is a sandwich talking about being a picky eater josh said at some point i don’t know how much they edit their podcast so it may be edited out but what he said to me in the middle of the podcast was wow this didn’t go the way this isn’t going the way i thought it would so that’s my that’s my teaser i don’t i haven’t talked to josh about it i might have to listen now but um yeah it was apparently not how what he expected from the conversation i i and i don’t know if that’s a good thing did it get really serious uh i guess so yeah oh really that was it yeah wow i don’t maybe so you guys maybe he would use other terms you got like therapeutic uh i might have gotten defensive oh okay i i didn’t think i was going to come across that way so you’ll have to be the be the judge of it it was it was a good conversation i really enjoyed it i have no regrets okay um i just don’t know if they do i should talk to them about it you should find out hot dog is a sandwich check it out uh they do food debates every week when they don’t have a guest which is uh unusual to have a guest but it does happen all right um i mean yeah for our experience we went to north carolina state university in in the fall of 1996 things were different then we drove it was like a 45 minute drive from our home i was roommates with my best friend since first grade hey that’s me and we didn’t really know anybody else but we knew that we were going to get involved in an organization called campus crusade and i i think that that would as we talked about that defines a big part of our least that organization as well as we’ll share later yeah that’s right um and i had well just to set the stage even further i had a serious girlfriend who was a junior in high school and i would go home every weekend to see her and also to get my laundry done and to pick up all the cans of mellow yellow that my mom had bought me mel yellow was not available in raleigh it was but we had to buy it with your own money right uh i did have a job on campus i worked at the genetics lab like the work study program i was washing the dishes of the um the scientists who were doing some sort of genetic experiments on corn i then had to clean all the beakers and test tubes and that’s a meticulous process if you’re sure they weren’t eating corn and you were cleaning their actual dishes i think that’s that’s possible i think they were selling you on like you’re involved in the science here and you’re just washing dishes of scientists you like corn yeah i mean if they were feeding themselves with pipettes then i guess that’s what i’ve seen that happen one one kernel at a time it’s a great way to eat corn it really helps with portion control we had visited campus once at least i think michael jubie michael jubie’s dad took us to campus our senior year and like we walked around campus well we only applied to two schools carolina and state uh both were accepted to both i thought we applied to uh unc asheville to their film school we didn’t actually know we didn’t actually apply we were going to but we got talked about that was like that was more junior year conversation when i thought i might play basketball there but no in the end we only applied to carolina in state and that’s not accepted in engineering there was serious consideration of going to carolina i mean i the story i tell is i applied to carolina so that i could get accepted and then say no to reject them but the reality is i was not like a loyal state fan versus carolina i was actually sort of like growing up a duke fan i was a state fan you were a state fan and i didn’t i didn’t really felt like i couldn’t do it i didn’t have a lot of carolina allegiance but one boy once i died my backside in the wolf pack red i think that’s how you do it you stick your butt in the blood when you get there just kind of dip it uh the wolf blood there was no going back no wolf dyed the blue the entire pack donated a little bit of blood so they were they were a little peakish for a few days but they you know no wolves were harmed ultimately in the butt dipping of blood i remember that we we both brought our bikes to campus we’ve oh it’s like we had never been on a place so large that you were expected to walk across the whole thing well we’ve been riding our bikes a lot just we always rode our bikes it was part of our identity it was part of our brand was we’re boys with bikes well once we got licenses not so much but but i think someone had told us like that’s a really big campus and you guys are way over there on east campus in syme dorm so i mean it’s going to take you you know a couple of days to get to the other side of campus if you have to walk well to get to the dining room it did take i mean it probably took 20 minutes to walk to just walk straight yeah all the way across campus to the dining hall which that was that was fun you know having that excursion that bagged milk like see seeing like who from your dorm you could get to get together with and i’ll leave at the same time oh we’re still waiting for hugh where’s hugh he’s up there being weird in his dorm room we’re gonna have to leave him remember hugh unfortunately i don’t must have been not maybe that wasn’t memorable he’s an interesting guy am i grant grant oh you grant he’s an actor yeah grant is his name not hugh who where’s you i don’t know a hugh maybe maybe he would show up if i knew his name was grant um but yeah we’d ride our bikes all around campus but the thing now that i superimpose on the experience is just what an opportunity for a i’ll call it a fresh start it’s it’s just an opportunity to redefine yourself if you’ve ever had one if you i mean this is it if you’re going off to college and you know no one or you know we had to be in cahoots because we knew each other if i was going to change my name or adopt a french accent or start wearing a different type of pants this is the time this is the time to do it the name thing is a big one a lot of people this is my opinion okay if you’re going to change your name you don’t like your name and you want to go by your middle name or you don’t like your middle name you want to make your first name you want to go buy a new nickname jazz this is kind of the last acceptable place to do it if you wait until you’re out of college and like you got a job and then just one day you’re like my name is mark now that’s tough to do i mean we knew a chip who changed his name to peter and that was in middle school but chip chip is a nickname that your dad gives you chip off the old block you know or maybe you’re a tray if you’re a third which you could have named you could have been a tray you could be a tray like you could have changed your name to trey because trey is when you’re not a junior but a third that’s right you they’re in an alternate universe there’s a there’s a rhett and tray.com man i know that’s not our website anymore but james it does redirect a mythical document but jane it’d probably be james james there’s a jameson tray there’s a hey listen there’s a tray in james chaz and james you could have been a chaz this is the time to do it don’t wait until now if you transfer colleges maybe at that point yeah that would that’s the reason to transfer because you’re not happy with your name or like what type of pants you’re known for or if you’re like i’m gonna start you know i’m gonna get i’m gonna get one earring or i’m gonna start painting my nails whatever you wanna do do it but this is really and i’m not saying you can’t do any of those things later but like this is the real time we show up on campus with like a scarf and you know i mean like one of your eyebrows shave down the middle and just call me mark now we’re kind of talking about two sides of our mouth because when we when we went to uh college i didn’t do this by the way well we kept we did it a little earlier but i do think we we fully asserted ourselves i mean we were very much dedicated to our band the wax paper dogs and our so in our senior year of high school and throughout that summer before our freshman year like we had gigs we had the biggest gigs that we had had biggest games i mean we’re talking like the christian indie band circuit centered around uh harnett county we played on humber we played on that stageville north carolina in benson in that park and benson yeah that’s probably not the second terrible biggest soldier to mule days yeah we played on that stage but we i mean we were bleaching our hair and like you were i was i was turning your hair into like a giraffe pattern that looked absolutely amazing but was mistaken as a soccer ball we would i’m how many saw girls black and yellow some but i mean it’s a giraffe come on i knew it was a draft but i’m saying a lot of people thought it was red white and blue for july 4th over that the summer leading into our yeah got to be patriotic freshman year in college so like we were wearing these the huge jinko jeans with the chain wallet and uh the thrift store shirts like the thrift store golf shirts yeah and our and our hair what my hair was like standing up and and bleached and that even went into my sophomore year because that’s when christy and i met and like the last time my hair was like big and bleached was when we first met and then it started to tone down over the course of becoming a professional well we weren’t in the band anymore but like as freshmen like we had a very assertive looks you know i mean you were tall as all get out and and and scarily skinny right and with these huge jeans it just looks i mean you’re we’re riding these bikes around i look like gumby i mean were those jeans i never really thought about the you know i enjoyed getting attention for the way that i looked but at the same time this may be hard to believe at the same time i do not honestly recall having this awareness that everyone was looking at me as i rode my bike across campus but we we were some of the more aesthetically notable people on campus i’m not saying we were cool looking we were just different but to put that in proper context it wasn’t that difficult in 1996 at nc state university to stand out just to stand out you know it’s probably much more difficult today we stood out more than i thought i did in my own mind even though i did it him on purpose i don’t know it’s just weird how i can hold those two truths but so we didn’t i didn’t make a switch we kind of doubled down i think with the way that we looked so it was just like i think hearing friends talk about it later they were like wow these guys are different these guys are weird maybe a healthier way to think about it is less of take this as an opportunity to reinvent yourself reinvention for the sake of reinvention is not going to last right it’s got to be motivated by something but maybe it’s taking a look at what things about you um do you want to leave behind in your in your former self right into the high school self you’re not bringing that business with you to college and maybe sometimes something like a name change or an aesthetic change can be symbolic of that you know the external stuff is not really that important but that’s true yeah it can be a growth exercise and it also applies to starting a new job yeah i think most all of this applies so there’s other points it’s like and if you have a new child so i would be a different person to this child call me mark son so i’m trying to think of other opportunities where you can like completely reinvent yourself you know if you go on a vacation you could you could have a trial run with a new self or a new name well it’s like the time we went to emerald point water park in greensboro and acted like we were from liverpool hello ladies you know where the beat oh from the redneck girls that we were hitting on didn’t know how bad our liverpoolian accents were and so they just went with it followed us around all day we went with it and that was there and then we got into our little bowie street first baptist van gaal because we were there with our our church group it’s like they were like first of all watched from liverpool are in the van why did you ditch everyone else with the church group and why when we would see you in different lines for slides and stuff like that you were with these two girls and you had a bad british accent and you would never talk to us because we even reinvented ourselves for the water park you should try it too i mean in college what an move i think listen i stand by that well yeah cause you’re only thinking about you but we were there with a group and they were our friends i’m not we didn’t completely abandon them i saw them in the lockers [Laughter] so this is this is an opportunity yeah we also have an opportunity to promote our merch well and this is pretty exciting i mean listen we’re doing a a collab with masters of the universe i’m wearing the purple version of the shirt right now okay he’s masters of the mythical universe here and skele link high fiving high fiving i mean our friendship even transcends the the the he-man universe and brings together these two characters that would never have right yeah they’ve reinvented themselves uh you can get this is an official collab we’ve got the purple option which link is wearing and we’ve got the black option if you’re feeling you know a little dangerous if you feel like you have the power and or if your name is mark uh so pick that up mythical.com while it’s available i mean this is not going to be around forever this is a collab y’all going to college is like your opportunity to go from being cringer to being battle cat you know what i’m saying right from what you need is a helmet cyclops to being tila um okay another thing that i think is important and this could seem a little bit cliche so we’ll get into some specifics is the whole idea of making friends now yes i think that this is worth saying because especially now like things have changed and everyone’s experience is different and you know lots of people are uh commuting to school living off campus uh living at home for for a multitude of reasons and so it can be more difficult when you’ve got some of these other circumstances than if you just you know you drop somebody off at college in another town and they’ve got to sort of make their own way it’s easier in that scenario but i think especially if you are the kind of person that it’s not easy for you to make friends um and you you know you’ve got anxiety around expanding your social circle or whatever your particular challenges would be i just think this idea of opening yourself up with discretion and wisdom of course you don’t want to get involved in the wrong crowd of marks or anything like that i was thinking marxist when you said that well yeah when you’re going to college you’re going to get involved with some marxism that’s part of it man but letting your just letting yourself be a friend to someone and also letting someone else be a friend to you it has to be a conscious decision i agree i’ll lower the bar lower the ball and try to gamify it a little bit here’s the idea that i’ve come up with collecting acquaintances i’m pretty excited about this so don’t poo poo it i’m talking about making a list of the types of people that you want to know and not necessarily be friends with or commit to but just know just acquaintances like uh i want to know i want to know a weird person i want to know like a really brainy person i want to i want to know a foreign exchange student what about that i want to know i want to know an upperclassman so it’s like you you make this list of the types of people that you want to know because don’t write it down though people find that list don’t write it on your hand and then check it off when you’re number seven you know what i’ve always wanted to meet like um someone majoring in biology who wears suspenders okay i think most of them do that’s not something you want to say to someone a biology suspender-wearing major you know i always wanted to you were on my list yeah just i mean but actually maybe you could say that who would you add to your list um let’s start making this list now if we had to go back i want to i want to i want to meet a bleach-haired bicycle riding strange guy well taking i i do believe that i do believe that you are serious in your uh in this in this piece of advice i’m going to take it seriously it’s nice to have a variety of people in your life to be exposed i mean well i think it’s an opportunity to expose yourself not in that way i wish that we would have taken this now we’ll talk a little bit later about another principle that i think is important which is kind of throwing yourself into a cause while you’re in college which we definitely did in a very big way yeah um but given the nature of the thing that we got involved with which was campus you know christian campus ministry we got involved with a lot of people from very similar backgrounds on very similar trajectories as we were right and i think the thing that i regret is not intentionally connecting with people who were different than me of course nc state was different in 1996 but it wasn’t that different there were people from all walks of life from all socio and economic backgrounds from all over the world all kinds of interesting perspectives and things that were being exchanged and we closed ourselves off right into the you know southern white conservative christian uh heterosexual group you know what i’m saying and just went real real hard at that uh and i wish that i could have been like oh and but my mentality was not my mentality going into college at the time was one of other perspectives are not only different but necessarily wrong i’m coming to this campus with the truth i’m bringing the correct world view to this worldly place and when you go into a situation believing that you’ve got the truth and it is your job to dispense the truth to the worldly corrupted people around you yeah making connections with them becomes a transactional thing where the only reason you’re not really conducive to true friendship you make it you make it becomes transactional because i’m only befriending you so that i can share the gospel with you so that i can tell you what the truth is and most people aren’t receptive to that so you end up just hanging out with all the conservative white people who are receptive to that who believe the same thing it’s a problem so i wish i hadn’t done that right yeah and all we had to do was make a list of acquaintances you don’t have to make it this weighty thing where it’s like i have to i have to build meaningful long-lasting friendships with all these different type of people that you know that sets the bar really high and it’s intimidating but just having one one conversation with somebody you know in the first couple of weeks on campus there’s this thing that we’ve talked about called campus face yeah you just need to know that it’s going to happen if you’re on that type of campus where you’re walking around and you you’re seeing the same faces over the course of a year and at a certain point you realize i know this person’s face but i’ve never met them or talked to them and it’s nice to have a few people that you’ve at least said something to like uh leaned over in class and said like have you is this your first time taking chemistry i just made that up on top of my head because then it’s like if it’s chemistry 101 probably okay it’s a stupid question yeah that would be my follow-up your name mark that was just a stupid question whoever wanted it to be just to ask you just just so i could like break the ice do you have any pets i you know i think so some another type of person that’s on my list and it would also take the heat off of the criticism we placed on ourselves that you just laid on us and we deserve it is athletes like i would like i would put an athlete on my list or maybe you’d be my i want to be friends with a football player and i want to be friends with a track and field artist artist that’s the correct term or a graffiti artist that’s someone i would like to know in my life now i think i think i can make a list of acquaintances now yeah this is not pretty much a principle to apply to the artist is is gonna be in the top five for me but athletes had attendance they they lived in this bubble on campus which we penetrated because we were so far from the dining hall that they allowed us at the extreme east side of campus to go to the much closer athletic dining hall case case dining hall named after a coach everett casey much smaller it was much better food much better food they had steaks and it was only athletes except for the people from our like the three dorms way over there where we were yeah and so it’s like these scrawny kids in like really huge clubs i was mistaken as a member of the basketball team many times so don’t don’t don’t put me into the scrawny kids with big clothes groups i was thought that you were the manager for the for the basketball team but they thought i was on the basketball team and i went with that okay the lunch ladies did but the other athletes knew who was on the basketball team and you weren’t one of them so it was like yeah we actually got these strange looks and we stopped going but i went there enough to know and we had we did have a few athlete friends we had a football player friend our roommates not roommates but are right next door we’re both on the football team and then uh jackie was a swimmer yeah and they’re so isolated they’re in this bubble they do nothing but sports i mean so it really goes for them too they need to make a list of like hey i need to have a couple of acquaintances who aren’t athletic well now so that i can realize that the world is much broader but now they can ncaa athletes can get sponsored so now you can like hang out with somebody who’s got like a deal with like the local italian restaurant you know and maybe get a free free pasta um i got some stuff on breaking the ice and having conversations that first week of class you need to you need to introduce yourself to a stranger in every class in the first week it’s leaning over and saying something just so because you know you’re going to be in class with these people if it’s one of i mean chem 101 as an example it could have been a thousand people in that classroom no that’s not true there could have been 300 people in that classroom now you’re getting closer okay that’s still a lot of people yeah but it would have been better if you just gone with a towel okay but you’re going to see all these people and you’re pr but at a in a large classroom you’re tempted to never talk to anybody unless they force you into groups which they usually don’t and so it’s like just breaking the ice for a conversation what it does is even if it’s just hey my name’s link i just wanted to uh introduce myself because i know you know we’re going to be in class and i oh it starts a conversation it basic starting a conversation opens up the door for someone else to more easily talk to you later and you typically sit in the same you don’t have to i don’t actually remember this but for whatever reason we ended up sitting in the same places in all the classes no matter how big the rooms were creatures have happened uh and so you do yeah and i was like oh man i was sitting next to this person basically all year and when you make this is the thing you got to do it in the first week like you said because when you wait like if you initiate a conversation with somebody third week it’s like whoa whoa what you know yeah now if you haven’t initiated in the third week still do it but just know that it’s going to be harder you need to do this needs to be pretty early like right out of the gate and then yeah okay maybe you have an initial uh awkward conversation but next time if they’re going to initiate the conversation with you and if they don’t you’ll be like oh i’ll talk you got it you go to the left side talk to the person on the left side i mean there was a time on good mythical morning where we talked about miss perfect as we called her ad nauseum but it’s worth bringing up again that like you know jill wagner later host of wipeout and now uh she’s like a hallmark specialist hallmark movie star yeah uh you know we got teen wolf oh yeah also on team sorry yes don’t want to sell jill shorts we’re fans of the person not the actress um she was very sweet and came on our show and like endured some some awkward exercises for the sake of comedy but we could have actually you know it’s we were intimidated and we didn’t want to talk to her so we just talked about her but we could have actually been friends i mean it’s not like it would it just had to be oh i think you’re pretty so now we can’t be friends well we i was thinking more than friends personally but yeah or you could have had i want to move beyond acquaintances i i agree with everything that you’re saying but i i think that just trying to ease them into it but i but what i’m getting at is and i think we did again all that we said before you know notwithstanding if that’s the correct use of the word i try to avoid giving the disclaimer unless it’s a a legal document um no i’m saying that like i didn’t we got involved with a particular type of people but the thing that you left out is yes we got involved with campus crusade but we also we got involved with intervarsity as well another christian campus organization because they had a bible study in our dorm that was a co-ed bible study intervarsity was like living wild men and women studying the bible together what could happen crazy and so we got involved in that group and uh ended up like that fall going on a ski trip with that group of people and they were like a really that was like our really probably our strongest friend group at the time freshman year and i just think the idea of being like hey we got here a few weeks ago and now we’re all getting in a car and going up to the mountains to ski and eat spaghetti together and like these were things that we had not done yeah we had never gone on a trip with our friends overnight like we didn’t have that yeah we just didn’t do that as high school students so it was uh but it was it was a real it was a real connection and for reasons basically essentially the only the only reason is because we decided to kind of go all in with campus crusade on our sophomore year and so that that connection with them in that bible study was severed a little bit and they just became just like less close friends that idea of really saying hey i’m gonna move yeah the the the the strategy that you’re talking about with acquaintances is to give yourself the social network the largest you know a number of options for who am i actually gonna be friends with yeah but there is a again this is difficult for a lot of people there’s a barrier to be like i’m going to actually become your friend it’s going to be more than a conversation in class let’s go do something together oh here we are we’re going on a ski trip together and this has got to be done with discretion because sometimes you get involved with some weird people especially the thing that happens a lot of times in freshman year depending on what kind of school you go to a lot of times you’ve got the freshmen who are there who are just there to party and you can kind of get sucked into that and then when they flunk out a lot of times they take a lot of people with them so you gotta you you got to be you got to use some wisdom but i think that this idea of really learning what a friendship and this may not be something that you’ve done maybe you didn’t have this type of friendship with somebody in high school um but becoming a part of someone’s life so that the idea of going on a trip together or saying hey fall break’s coming up we’re not going back home we’re all going somewhere together like having that option planting the right kinds of seeds with acquaintances that become friends that become deeper friends that become people that you’re going to know for the rest of your life i think you got to go in with that mentality especially like you know that wasn’t that’s not our that’s not that’s not a challenge for us like we we tend to kind of just go all in and get really personal and deep with people very very quickly and we’ve always been that way so we make fast friends but that’s that’s kind of an exceptional way to approach it if that’s not a natural instinct i think you’ve just got to go in and say i know my instinct is to isolate and to pull away and next thing you know you’re getting ready to go back your sophomore year and you’re like i don’t feel like i know anybody yeah i don’t even know if i want to go back i mean lily had the option to put down a preference for i mean they did this whole like personality analysis of like what time do you wake up in the morning what time do you go to bed what you know what is how do you what is your view on alcohol uh you know it’s it’s not allowed on campus anyway but still it’s not allowed that’s my view it’s a good question you know lots of things like that you get a sense of the person’s sensibility so you they can pair you up with roommates that would increase the likelihood of compatibility um you want the person who’s going to sneak in alcohol with you but you can also request to to to stay in a a dorm room alone like that was an actual option there’s also an option to like have a roommate or an option to have five roommates where she’s going yeah there’s there’s like a big room yeah one big room not a suite like one big room with two bunk beds and another bed that seems crazy i think that’s overkill but i mean i mean that’s like maybe that’s military bombs yeah it’s bunks but i guess some people would be into that like camp life type situation but i was glad that lily didn’t she she was tempted to say as an introvert i want to have my own room but instead when she was assigned to her certain part of campus it was like there’s like a a large assignment to a certain part of campus and then underneath that then you have dorm assignments and she was able to connect with other people who were given that umbrella assignment to this area of campus on instagram like everybody started started following that account to that area of campus she’s gonna be rooming with a biology major who wears suspenders no she’s rooming with somebody who is also an introvert who was tempted to have to request a room by herself and is also really into the star wars animated series so oh we’re like i spent a lot of time deep in the fandom so it’s there’s a connection that’s cool we didn’t we didn’t have those tools they started talking over instagram and then over text and um i was like have you did you video chat she was like not yet not yet you know but it’s like ultimately they were like you know what we know enough about each other to request each other versus just going potluck well and the reason i think that this is now obviously we room with each other so it’s a little bit different i wanted a biology major in suspenders but i got a link uh no we chose each other and that made it it got weird when you made me talk about biology and wear suspenders especially nothing but suspenders and there was no place to fasten them there is a place to fasten them but you got to be careful please erase that mental picture we didn’t have to worry about this because we knew we were going to room with each other but here’s why i think that making the decision to have roommates is so important even for us each one of us now you’re an only child i i had one brother but he was in a different room and we kind of minded our own business i i i am of the opinion that developing the life skill of sharing a living space with another adult is a is an important thing to develop because chances are right whether you’re going to have roommates to help you pay your rent or you’re going to you know get into a relationship where you move in with somebody you get married you’re probably going to share a living space with somebody later in life and this is the time to learn what that’s like and the thing that is so interesting because me and you as we’ve gotten older have gotten more rhett and more link than we were when we were sure uh freshman in college because we all know that you’re really concerned about order and cleanliness and i’m not really but that wasn’t it i don’t remember that being like a big point of contention and conversation or like stress in our relationship because right i don’t went along with it maybe it was we just didn’t we didn’t have enough things in the room to create like chaos and i actually didn’t we we also it was our living space that opened up into a public space that people could just walk by so i didn’t feel like it was my bedroom that i could just make all dirty it was like oh we leave our door that’s another thing we left our door open to our dorm room which uh i do recommend um right and unless you’re wrestling which we were doing one time and it was a little awkward we were really into ufc long story um yeah link was wearing nothing but suspenders i thought the door was cracked i know i thought it was shut but it was cracked we left our door open a little bit and but when you laid on me because that’s your yeah your wrestling that’s my ufc move that’s my submission i mean i do i don’t remember how we told the story before but we told the story 15 times we’re sure in public i mean you were doing the i’m dead yeah yeah and then i looked over your shoulder not being able to move anything except my head yeah that’s part of the plan and i looked in the crack of the door and granted it was grant hugh looking in and i and i made eye contact with him and then he walked away he accepted it though there was no ex there that was one of the cool things about grant there’s no judgment i think he i think he thought he knew what was happening which to clarify wasn’t happening it wasn’t happening but he didn’t care i i really got to give it to him well i don’t want to give it to him but thank you grant so anyway yeah we we learned a lot i think we did uh i think it prepared us and i think yeah even subsequent to sharing the dorm room when we moved into an apartment and then we added greg and then we added tim uh i think that each one of those iterations was about sharing a space and it’s just like just there’s a tendency again you a a lot of folks i get it you wanna i’m an introvert you wanna isolate you wanna withdraw and when given the option you will choose the path of least resistance which is to be alone and have your own uh but i think that it’s i just i personally think that it’s important if no it may be something that is so it would ultimately putting yourself through that would be unhealthy for you i can’t speak for everybody but i think for most people making the decision to learn how to share a living space with another adult is is a great thing for personal growth yeah i mean christy’s uh first roommate in college it was a complete nightmare situation and then i mean she was if i recall the story correctly she was like borderline abusive yeah like she would have these fits and she would like take it out on christy like yell at her and it was horrible and then at a certain point she couldn’t she was i think she was having a breakdown and she ultimately couldn’t continue her first semester and left and then the the roommate that chris so then yeah and then christy had her own if you’re in a situation like that yeah you gotta i mean there’s obviously your stream situation we’re talking about normal healthy safe situations but even a difficult i mean but even a difficult roommate not an abusive roommate if it’s unsafe or abusive on any level then yeah you got to get yourself out of that situation but a difficult roommate that could be that’s could still be something that you need to do you know that could be sure because you could learn how to be like hey let’s have a conversation let’s communicate about right let’s communicate through this problem you learn the ability to solve a problem through communication with someone that is something that you will take and then apply in every single area of life as you as you move forward um only other thing i got on the on the dorm front shower shoes yeah you don’t want to get the fungus like i have to believe that we did use shower shoes yeah well there was like seven things that we were told by someone that we ate orientation or something then one of those were the shower shoes and we just did it religiously i was very committed to that i had to have been uncomfortable taking a shower next to other people taking a shower i mean there were it was individual stalls you couldn’t see anybody you could see feet you could see feet and then if you were in the last shower stall you could see the feet of someone taking it taking a poop yeah and that was just i don’t like that i don’t like showering next to somebody taking a poop right so i would always go to the i would go to the other far side yeah shower that was the most that was the the most frequented one was the nearest one to the door away from the poop machine i don’t think i was ever comfortable with the bathroom situation but it was it was good for me to to figure that out okay next principle that we would like to explore is the idea of getting involved in something okay you talking about clubs clubbing again i i i believe and this may not be true but it was true for me and it’s true for most everyone i’ve ever known is that your potential to be like idealistic and passionate about a cause peaks between 18 and 22 right and you the adults in your life will try to tamper that down and we’ll we’ll try to be like ah you just control yourself a little bit i actually think that it’s kind of an important formative stage in life to like throw yourself into something with reckless abandon because the way that your mind is developing and just the stage that you’re at you have this just incredible capacity to just go all in on something with some other people who are going all in on something i can’t know what blanket statement i mean you cannot tell about a cult here uh no i mean again all this comes with the the idea that you got to use some discretion but let’s talk about what happened with us you know channeling that drive and acknowledging it and then acting on it is an exciting thing i i mean i would say uh i would say i preface this with please choose a good cause you know like yeah don’t go get involved in something just do it bringing bad into the world getting us up get get involved in something that’s bringing good into the world but a part of being that age it’s just kind of difficult to know what’s good and bad because there’s a lot of people who most people believe that they’re right most people believe that they’re what they’re doing everybody believes that what they’re doing and what they’re putting their time and energy into is the best thing for them in the world right yeah and that’s what we thought again coming into school as conservative evangelical christians we knew we wanted to get involved with campus crusade and boy did we get involved with campus crusade we’ve told the story of exactly how involved we got to the point that we ended up working for campus crusade after we graduated but being in the midst of people who were so passionate about something and who were like kind of following this ideology and this philosophy with reckless abandon to the point that it was um it was kind of becoming uh when you when you it be it became it consumed a lot of your time i yeah i regret the specifics at this point in my life meaning that the things that that group stood for are not things that i stand for anymore and i have changed personally but i feel like for me it was an important part of like needing to believe something with a fervor and actually like know what it’s like to commit time and make sacrifice to just kind of go all in on something i and maybe it’s a personality thing but for a lot of the people maybe it’s because i happen to be friends with a lot of people who kind of came through a similar situation where they were like all into evangelical christianity and then they came out of it but from a developmental standpoint like believing something with fervor and then no longer believing it because i i’m not going to say the prescription is get really into something and then realize that it was wrong later in life you can’t write somebody’s script but you know it might be like i’m going to like the the uh the group on campus that is is you know there’s so many different things that are and it could just be like i’m really into intramural soccer right i mean that’s not not a cause but like yeah throwing yourself into something that has a structure and a group around it and i i think some there’s so many causes and so many good causes that you can get involved in or your interests as well yeah yeah i do think it’s valid um just because i just think it ends up leading you into some interesting places you’ll find yourself doing i mean for us it was like we found ourselves going to you know foreign countries or foreign cities yeah during the summers and going on retreats and spending a lot of time with people again it rounds out your experience we were talking about serious stuff as a human yeah to to commit yourself to something and i like what you said the sacrifice associated with prioritizing certain interests passions or causes is a is a big part of development because you can’t you can’t do everything even if even if all options are good i really regret never never playing uh ultimate frisbee yeah i seriously a couple weeks ago i was like uh it came up in the car and christy was like you know your dad’s your dad’s great at throwing frisbee i don’t know where that uh of course statement came from i don’t remember what we were talking about and then i was like you know what i’ve never played ultimate frisbee though it’s like really for someone as talented as a frisbee thrower as you you’ve never i was like yeah i could that could have been my thing you know running and throwing and and state had like an intramural program where you could have easily played i i thought of uh ultimate frisbee as more of like uh a carolina or duke thing like a snooty thing like i knew that it happened on their campuses like there was a lot of you thought a lot of things a lot never shared with anybody ascot wearing ultimate frisbee throwing you know frat guys that was my idea of it that wasn’t for me i played a little intramural soccer and and first you know and i think this is definitely personality based because some people just you know some people me and i will also speak for for a link tend to kind of it’s easy to kind of you know to get super passionate about something and kind of those tend to be people who like become really religious at some point in their lives you know uh and some people’s personalities are not wired that way so it might be like hey just you know being on the ultimate frisbee team i don’t need like an ideology to throw myself at yeah i just need a group of friends but the reason i say a cause beyond just an interest is because because of that sacrifice yeah you know it’s just like something where there’s some kind of action involved like we are going to do this together we come together because we’re trying to accomplish this thing in the world or this thing on our campus to me it’s just i think there’s a again it’s just a developmental thing obviously there’s probably good that comes out of it if you’re doing something for a good cause but for me it’s just it’s harder to do that after college right it’s very hard to do that after college um it is the time when your schedule lends itself to again not everybody but your your schedule lends itself to it’s more flexible than it will be later in life um one of the things yeah i’m i don’t know if i want to open this can of worms because we haven’t even talked about classroom and studying but maybe we keep it short but i did read a piece of advice that i didn’t know if i agreed with because it just seemed thorny that was as a freshman avoid a serious relationship now i broke up with my high school girlfriend going into my sophomore year and the period between breakup and meeting christy it was like there was a torturous period for me it was like it was it was it was a tough like half a semester or maybe most of a semester that was my the start of my sophomore year but and i went home so much my freshman year it’s like once i broke once we broke up finally at some sophomore year or it was the summer leading up to sophomore year it’s like i i had these regrets associated with things that i you know hired hamstrung my freshman year so that was definitely my experience and if i had to do it over if i had a you know a crystal ball and i knew that we were going to break up yeah i would have i would have done it before i went off to college but yeah um it’s a really tough thing it’s a tough thing and like you i don’t like dictating when you fall in love you fall in love there’s not much you can do about it i mean if i was i don’t if i was in my not worrying about people’s feelings and just giving the advice that i truly believe in mode which i usually am in and then have to keep myself from being that guy um i would say if you’re if you’re going into college and you’re dating somebody who’s still in high school you got to break up with them as a blanket general statement knowing that there’s all kinds of intricate things but it’s just this is probably not going to last and it’s going to drastically impact your college experience but you’re the one who did it so you need to be the one to talk about it i’m just i think the advice i give to you know is i’m not giving it here but maybe i i think the way that i would give this advice is more of like it’s cautionary tales it’s like know what decision you’re making and the impact that it can have before you start dating somebody a second a third time before you start accelerating that relationship if you’re on the precipice of going off to college then you know you there’s some caution that you can have in making more of a calculated decision instead of just a i’m just going with the flow of it and i’m just going the only thing i’m taking into account are my my feelings or my infatuation you know it’s it’s it’s better when you’re if if you’re not in a serious relationship and then like over the summer before your freshman year you can you can factor in other things and and besides just your emotions yeah and you can maybe curtail but you could be in but if you’ve been in a long term maybe it’s a long high school relationship relationship yeah then that’s well no but i’m saying that even if even if you’re in a long-term healthy relationship you need to know that if the person is not going to be at your college with you the reality is is that the gravitational pull to that person in another place is going to have a drastic impact on your college experience now that may be something you just navigate and deal with and accommodate i’m not saying yeah because if you really if you have a healthy relationship you care about each other and now it has to shift to being a long distance relationship because one or both of you are going off to different colleges well if you really care about that person then you’re going to want to you’re going to want to have a conversation where you establish practices and maybe even boundaries to allow both of you to to to live the life separately to the fullest you know yeah and because you’re gonna you’re also in like you’re in the midst of so much change yeah you know and i’m not i’m not here to on high school relationships if if i if i could you know that’s an image if i could right on high school relationships i would do it no um definitely get arrested for that the the advice i i would give to high schoolers in relationships is like hey just hold off on it being serious as long as you can but it’s you know human yes it’s it’s so difficult for people to not just basically start treating each other as if they’re married to each other in this strict monogamous exclusive relationship like that just tends to be what people do even in high school even though you’re changing so quickly that it’s probably not advisable but who listens to advice right but you’re just going to continue to change and your environment is changing so much especially if you’re going away to college now if it’s a completely different scenario for like oh i’m going to the local school i’m going to community college i’m still living at home we’re still in the same place like that your dynamics are in your relationships are not are going to change that much right so it’s a case-by-case thing but strongly consider it let’s talk about studying yeah classroom stuff i mean it doesn’t matter really well it’s just like great let’s just let’s just end it you know what you know you don’t learn anything no i i i think we’ve we’ve got some good stuff here because this is what i would tell myself if i could go back all right i treated my class choice i’m not going to talk about study habits that you if you if you i got you guys some stuff about that if i could have treated my class choice from a thinking from a different place it was exclusively like what is going to be easiest now again i was getting an engineering degree which i knew would be difficult on its own but then there’s core classes that you have to take but then there’s the electives and i made my choices about my electives based on what i had heard like oh that professor is really easy or that professor is really nice but you know the one thing i didn’t consider what i wanted to freaking learn about yeah i took an intro to film class and i i was horrible at it because you had to write papers and i hated that but it was an enriching experience it was really eye-opening i i i was i was i regret i regret not taking that class i regret not taking that class given what we do now yeah you know and we were interested in video at the that was you at least made the connection to be like i’m going to take this intro to film class because we were like making videos i guess is why you were doing it yeah but i i wasn’t even i was like well i’ll figure out how to make videos on my own like and then the one class that i took and again i took it for the wrong reasons just because somebody said it was easy i know what you got the alternative futures class yeah which i’ve talked about multiple times with crazy professor who wrote the textbook himself and it was all in single spaced no diagrams just text single space very few paragraphs to be honest and it was a fascinating class about futurism and i’m so into that and i didn’t even understand that i was because i never stopped to ask the question what are you actually interested in if i had to put here’s the thing you’ll read this in a lot of like college advice articles but i do believe that it’s true you know once you’re if you’re thinking about your gpa once you get up above a 3.5 who cares the difference between 3.5 and 3.9 or 4.0 for almost every job that you’re going to get it doesn’t it doesn’t matter right and so f do well in school have a good gpa but think about the holistic experience and what you’re learning as an individual because you also might find oh this elective that i took made me realize that this is what i should be giving my life to this is i should change my major so just think about what you’re interested in let that drive your class choice i wish i hadn’t done it and i hope that you do it i can um run some of this stuff by you see see what your take is on it because i think there’s there’s some nuance to at least this first one don’t skip class agreed i think the nuance is like every class is really about understanding the system like how to it’s like a game each class there’s someone in charge there’s a professor who’s set up and they’ll give you a syllabus they’ll show you how it works it’s like actually figure out how to beat the game that’s what the syllabus is this is what this is how much each thing is worth and this is why we’re going to be going through stuff so you may find that you can skip a class and still beat the game but don’t start there but that’s a it’s a bad idea to start there and it needs to be a last resort and it needs to be more about the class than it is about whatever you’re skipping to do like that your job is to go to class is what i would tell lily that’s your profession is to go to class and study and but that doesn’t take all of your time but you need to protect that time and then prioritize all the other things that we’ve been talking about around that because it shouldn’t take everything and because it’s a maturity thing but yes a maturity thing you shouldn’t you shouldn’t be skipping class so that you can experience something else you should be skipping class only if you have reasons related to the class that you don’t need to be there or there’s extenuating circumstances so i’m not going to say that doesn’t exist because there’s certain classes that suck and maybe you have to take them and you know if you can if you can find a way to pass the test in another way without cheating of course you know i think there’s there’s room to bring some maturity to those decisions and i’m going to pair that with uh go to office hours 100 and the reason why you’re going is because you’re seeing if they offer hidden rewards like a lot of professors first of all if there’s any opportunity to like make a connection with the professor uh get to know them or they know your face and put to put a name with the face like this is very important stuff whenever you need to have a conversation in the last half of the semester where you’re not doing well and you need you need to have a conversation you’re building social capital with your professor is an important thing that may come in very handy when things get tight later on and they reward people who show up at their office hours and like give them the answers like sometimes professors will just give you the test basically before the test say well i wouldn’t yeah i wouldn’t worry i wouldn’t really worry about that type of problem but i would worry about this problem they kind of they like to give people an edge they have office hours for a reason just to give people an edge yeah right all you got to do is take it it’s so easy and you don’t have to go every single time you can get an idea of again it’s part of the game you know this is what this person this is how they approach office hours they know my face they know my name i accomplished that but now i’m not going to go back to this person’s office hours because they’re actually useless they’re a waste of my time but that’s again it’s a maturity thing it’s and it’s about you know again this can get a little i know there’s so many like advice tick tocks these days but so we don’t mean to like just sound like a couple of dads but we are a couple of dads and we have lived a little bit of life and so i think that the this is kind of what i tell my kids is like learning how to position yourself well for things like when you enter into a situation where they’re in school is you know it gets more complicated frankly once you get out of school and it’s like you don’t get a grade at your job it’s not like the semester comes up and you’re told it’s it’s it gets a lot more gray this is the last chance that you have to sort of have this very specific path that you’ve been given like link said with the syllabus and you know exactly what is being asked of you and you know when you’re supposed to show up and you know what the assignments are when you’re presented with that challenge and that set of challenges there’s also these things where you can position yourself to succeed and have leverage and have options when you skip class all semester like you do it like i do in some dreams sometimes and then have to show up for the exam and you’re not prepared and you don’t even know the professor’s name you haven’t positioned yourself well and again some of it can seem like oh i’m just a mouse running in a wheel well this doesn’t seem applicable and maybe it’s not maybe the specific knowledge is not applicable but learning how to submit yourself to a process and hold yourself accountable and see what it takes to be like oh i’m put in this situation and if i do x y and z i get this result that’s a principle that will last your entire life right if you can figure out how to do it in your early 20s you’ll be able to do it in your early 30s you’ll be able to do it in your early 40s and that that’s you know i’m not saying my kids listen to me when i say it but so i’ll just throw it out to everybody i think there was an i know a lack of awareness on my part not only in college but also when i started working at ibm that like there was a there was another level of thinking that’s like you step back and you’re like all right this is this is there’s a system here there’s politics involved there’s social interaction involved it’s not just about having the right answers making their making all a’s and it’s it’s not just about the specific tasks but it’s about the entire idea of it and i i think that’s really what you’re describing that’s like would have changed my approach to have more of a um whatever thousand foot view is the right it’s like you literally are a rat in a maze to use a crude analogy and a lot of times at that age you tend to just see the maze right in front of you in the left and right choice and you wait until the choice sneaks up on you and then you make it whereas you actually have the ability to get out of your body have an out-of-body rat experience and get above the maze and see oh this is the context of this whole thing and this is how you get to there oh and i can back up even further and see the table that the maze is on and the room that the maze is in and the reason that this maze even exists you’ve got to get to you’ve got to elevate your thinking beyond just your immediate circumstances and all of a sudden you just zero back down into that choice and you’re like oh this choice becomes much easier and much more motivated because i understand the context at the highest level yeah i mean you talk about having an out-of-body experience i also want to say um you know don’t take any substance that somebody gives you especially if you don’t know them uh-huh oh god when i started thinking about things like that those are the things that i’m like i’m just passing lily in the hallway of our house don’t take any substances don’t take any substances from anyone that you want keep an eye on your drink at all times you know it’s just like i’ll just pass in the hall and i’ll just i’ll just give her little things like important it’s like say say yes to invitations but always have an exit plan where you are in control of yourself don’t forg don’t forget that you’re an adult now so act like an adult another that wasn’t mine that was a piece of advice that i read and another thing and maybe this is my last piece of advice that i’m just uh quoting be prepared to be overwhelmed and they go further and say seek professional help when you need it yeah i think i you know it’s a huge transition uh and going back to the beginning of this thing this it’s it’s such an opportunity for a fresh start but everything is going to be new and it will be overwhelming and making sure that you have proper support structure you know that there are people who love you that you can go to or professionals that can help you if you in certain ways that you that you might need establishing those lifelines are going to be very critical for anybody making any huge life change and this is big as any yeah and opening up to people you know again i i had the privilege of not dealing with um being overwhelmed or being super anxious in college but i know that that is an exception to the rule and i don’t exactly know what i would have done had i had encountered those things right i i do remember and i think i’ve told you the story of driving my riding my bike all the way across campus past the dining hall in at like the end of the first week of school and i was like i’m gonna go all the way to the far edge of campus and just see so i can say that i’ve seen it all i’ve seen the boundaries and it felt like going to the edge of a flat earth and i i got off my bike and it was past the ut dorms it was kind of looking over i think there was like where the baseball field was and i just remember standing there as the sun was setting and dismounted from my bike and feeling like i just needed to cry because i was like there’s no more campus there was well it just it was a physical reflection of i think my mental and emotional state of like i am i’m on i am i’m experiencing something and i’m on the edge of it i’m on the edge of the rest of my life and i it was the first time that i kind of felt alone and it was scary and then i got back on my bike and i rode back forgot all about it never told anybody until now until you’re 40. um okay well i mean i think we’ve covered it if you listen to this you’re ready for college the definitive guide to college you’re going to succeed you’ve got it you’ve you you’ve got this summer come along um you know what you know i do believe that i do not believe that we’ve given you the definitive guide to college but i do believe that if you’re about to go to college you’ve got this believe that and also uh just be ready to like link said be ready to communicate if if if you start feeling like things are unraveling or things are getting tough like know what your resources are going to be before you before you go in but you and the network of people around you you got this you got this i like it hashtag your biscuits let us know what you disagree with um i’ll give you a question i’ll give you a quick wreck um unrelated to anything we talked about just right now let’s go uh there’s a documentary on netflix called pray away uh which is about the ex-gay movement oh uh so there’s like exodus international you know is the big one and i think it’s mostly about that i did watch it i don’t mean to sound like i didn’t watch it but essentially it’s the for a long time in the evangelical church there has been you know groups and especially exodus international it was basically designed for people who were in the words of the evangelicals struggling with the sin of homosexuality uh and it and it’s an incredible story about the people who were involved in that group even the people who are leading the group who came to realize the damage that they were inflicting on so many people and kind of their stories people who were in it and people who were leading it and it’s just kind of just really eye-opening um stories that will i and i think you know regardless of what your background is and regardless of what you call yourself now regardless of your perspective i think there’s a lot to be learned regardless of your position um i think that hearing you know these people’s heartfelt stories and told in an impactful way is is important so pray away on netflix oh and one more thing we are doing our second annual live stream for charity the charity this time is save the children that is a live stream on gmm so the good mythical morning 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