Welcome to “Ear Biscuits,” the podcast where two lifelong friends talk about life for a long time. I’m Rhett. And I’m Link. This week at the round table of dim lighting, you are in for a treat. Ooh, I’m excited about this. I’ve been looking forward to this one. We want to introduce you to our other best friend in college. Who we’ve kept in touch with. I mean, we’ll get into some of that, but we wanna introduce you to the one, the only Gregg Hartsfield. Gregg you’re here. Well, no, you’re not. Hey, I made it. You made it but you’re– You made it to your home and a phone that you’re communicating through. And you’re in Washington State. Yes, I’m there, that’s where is here. You’re still in Burbank. No, we’ve talked about Gregg a lot throughout the years. I mean, most recently, if you watch our other show, “Good Mythical Morning,” you know that the black bass that was on the set for basically many years. Basically. Most of the history of the show, was a bass that Gregg gave us when he left to go to Argentina right after college. So we are talking of like 20 years ago. So we had the bass. The bass was played in a few early Rhett and Link songs when I would like lay down a baseline. We later realized that I could just play the guitar, and then we would just it lower an octave in garage band. Yeah. Yeah. But recently, Gregg asked for the bass back, and so that whole story is unfolding on “Good Mythical Morning,” but– So, by the way, if you have something that you think can fit in that space that the base was, occupied, you let us know. There’s a Twitter post. [Link] You post your photo and, basically, your sales pitch as to why this thing is special. Hopefully, it’s the base. I’m trying to lobby for the bases for Alabama. Yeah. To donate one of his bases. I just think that would be funny. And if he won’t, I’m just hoping for a guy named Gregg, preferably a guy named Gregg with two G’s at the end. So, Gregg, have you received the base back? It’s here. It’s here. It needs to be restrung. You have not maintained the base. It wasn’t broken when it arrived. It just needs to be refreshed. Yes. It needs a light buffing and some new strings. Yeah. I mean, base strings do not last two decades. They probably last like, You might get, I don’t know, six months outta some base strings? Now listen, if you don’t replace these strings and play this thing within like the next two weeks, you’re at risk of us asking you years from now if you played it, and you’ll be embarrassed. You’ll have to start lying to us that you’re playing it. So you need to get on it, man. I’m working on the plan. I didn’t have a plan till just now, so now I have a plan. I don’t really know the details of the plan, but there’s a plan. There’s a plan. How good did you get it bass before you gave us that bass? I was not so good. From one to 10, I might be a 2. Okay. Right. It’s fine. You’ve been holding steady at a two. I did go to a jazz club in Raleigh in Open Mic Night, one time, and for some reason, people thought I played bass well, but I don’t think I did. Are you talking about when you were in college? No, that was I after college. I went with Tom from our church. Okay. And you did a little bass thing. Man, I didn’t know you were moonlighting. I do remember that you had an acoustic guitar when we first met. I think you could play some Grateful Dead songs, but… All right. So tell us, what do you remember about meeting us for the first time? So I’ve spent the last 30 minutes trying to recreate this memory in my mind. Nothing really pops out, When I first met you guys, I think it was a freshman year of college, and I saw, read up on the stage a crew, and I was like, “There’s that guy up there.” That didn’t really care. Didn’t really even want to be at the meeting. We really didn’t meet, in my recollection, until sophomore year, so, well, if that was the first time you saw me, that was your sophomore year? Because I may have gotten up front freshman year for something, but I wasn’t emceeing until, because I lobbied to emcee in my freshman year, knowing that the guy who was a senior was graduating. Oh, okay. So I talked to Mark and was like, “Can I emcee next year?” Because I remember it being the beginning of sophomore year. That was definitely when we became friends. Pretty early on sophomore year. But what was your impression of us? I mean, I remember my impression of you, but I’ll let you go first. Whatever you remember of when we first started becoming friends, sophomore year. It was within the context of the campus crusade. Todd Smith, who was, and still is a full-time staff member, he was leading Bible studies and organizing the weekly meeting and a lot of the organizational stuff that happened on campus with the organization. But he knew you, and then he knew us, and then we must have met through Todd. Right? I think so. I think so. But I don’t recall. I know that like we hit it off. We hung out all the time. Yeah, we were fast friends. I really enjoyed hanging out with you guys. So the thing that I remember is, I mean, I don’t remember the specific thing, but I have to know that our first impression of Gregg was, “This dude is different.” I mean, and take this in a positive way, but like, this dude is strange and funny and he’s just different than anybody else we knew, so we were very much drawn to, everybody in campus crusade, I don’t know, it’s just like everybody fit into a certain mold. Well, I mean– But Gregg, you stood out. You were like this super skinny dude with these real floppy clothes, like us. You were dressed how we- These huge jeans. That’s the thing. So we were at NC State, which is already, it’s a technical school, right? It’s a technical state school in the south, and we were also then sort of filtered into this Christian group. So there was a little more, for lack of a better word, Southern preppiness. So– Right. So there’s a certain, I don’t know, if you grew up in the south, you know exactly what I’m talking about, but a guy who will wear a polo shirt and a trucker hat. It was a little frat-ish- It’s a little fratty. But not full on frat. So you’re not quite redneck and not quite preppy, and that was most of the people. Now we kinda came in thinking that we were rock stars, we’re dyeing our hair, bleaching our hair, wearing these big baggy pants. Embracing the alternative ’90s scene. So we were really leaning hard into that, and it wasn’t difficult to stand out because there wasn’t a lot of people in our small circle doing that, and then Gregg comes along, and it was immediately like, “Oh, this guy, he feels like “he’s on a very similar wavelength.” I mean, and we thought that you were a stoner. In like a really, you had this delivery, I remember whenever we would see Gregg would be like, “What’s up?” I was kind of stoner. Okay. Yeah. So there was some recovering stoner thing happening. So by the time we met you, you were like, yeah, you were being introduced to the straight narrow through campus crusade, and we were, Todd was trying to bring you into the fold basically, right? Yeah. He was putting in me in my, in the right place. Yeah. And when he introduced us, I was like, we just found you very funny, very entertaining. Whenever we would say, “What’s up?” You remember what Gregg would say? “Good.” “Good.” It’s just like anybody who, that’s what, nobody’s response to, “What’s up?” Is, “Good.” And every time. And you were always good. You were always good. How else do you respond to that question? Well, you want me to break it down logically? Because when you say, “What’s up?” What you’re asking is what is up? Like what’s going on? You’re asking me, “How are you doing?” Well, I mean, you gotta cut to the chase. If you say, “What’s up?” You could respond with, “Well, I’m good.” That’s one of the things that’s up, but you were just like, “Good.” “Nothing much, man.” I’m headed to class. I’m going back to my dorm. You want come over and play some Twisted Metal? Or actually, really, proper response at that age with a familiar person to, “What’s up?” Is, “What’s up?” Yeah. Just say it back, but– No one, before, during, or since, said, “Good,” and that’s why we knew that you had to be a constant part of our lives. I think that we were in this place, we had gone through our freshman year together. We had made a lot of friends. We hadn’t really, really found our group. It was just the two of us on the weekends. I was going back home to see my girlfriend. We were still involved in our band, The Wax Paper Dogs. So freshman year was like this transition period, but sophomore year, we had basically decided we were deciding to quit the band. You were deciding and lobbying to be the MC of campus crusade’s weekly meeting. Yeah. I was a already involved in the music team of the weekly meeting. So I was upfront singing, leading the music. So I was like, we were moving in these positions where we were visible positions early on, and so college for us, at the beginning of sophomore year was, okay, I’ve broken up with my girlfriend, now, it’s like all in on college and right about that same time, very early on, we meet, and it was just like, it was always fun to have you around. So it was just like, In a lot of ways, we became this trio very quickly. Do you remember any more of what you thought of us? I’m not fishing for a compliment, but I told you that I thought you were basically gloriously weird, and it was like, unlike anybody else. So I was like, let’s do this. I just thought you guys were my friends. I just wanted to, In my life, I haven’t had a ton of friends up to that point. And I meet you two, and I was like, this is my people. This is who I wanna hang out with. I mean, you seemed like you were in Wood dorm, which was like halfway across campus in a weird spot where we didn’t know anybody, and it was a suite. And you spent a lot of time with Jack freshman year. You had a number of friends that were suite mates, right? Yeah, I had… Yeah. Yep. And so ’cause it, now that I think about it, because junior year, which we’ll get to in a second, we moved off campus, because we met at the beginning of sophomore year, it turns out that a lot happened during sophomore year, because sophomore year was our last year in Sime dorm, so that was when Sime dorm, room 24, which has since been turned into a storage closet, because the window opens up underneath the stairs. But that was the year that we got into smoking cigars. We would crawl out through that window. In that little area. I have fond memories of that window. Tell us what you remember. Well, I remember we would smoke cigars. Did we get into the pipes by that point? I don’t know. Yes. Pipes by George. Yes. Oh, it was low. There were some chairs. It was chairs permanently staged out under the stairs area, and it was a dirt floor and it was dark and damp. It was. Yeah, because it wasn’t good for our respiratory health. The only window for our dorm room– You had people walking, out of the Sime, you can hear them walking out talking. Right. Because the main entrance to Sime was these huge cement stairs. And then underneath that staircase was, it was just open air, but that’s where our window was. So our window never got sunlight, and we would open the window, and we would crawl out of our window into underneath the stairs where everybody’s walking into the first floor. And there’s bushes on both sides. So it was like completely walled in, it was like a cave. You couldn’t, you probably could have, but you didn’t go from underneath the stairs outside. No, we never did that. It was enclosed. I’m so sad that they made that into a, not a room anymore because it was the best room. It was great to be a college student in there because– Students don’t need sunlight. No matter what time of day it was, you could sleep. It was like having room-darkening blinds, but it was just the staircase. And I remember, yeah, if you didn’t get us into cigars, I don’t know who did, but what would happen was you would say, “Hey, let’s hang out,” and we’ll smoke cigars and you would come over. Backwoods. Backwoods. We started with Backwoods. We were not doing pipes at that time. Well, that’s ’cause we didn’t have a lot of money. I do remember we would save up and you were like, “We need to go to this place called Pipes by George.” And we would go down on Hillsborough Street. It’s still there. Oh, you checked last time you went? Yeah. It’s still there. And you knew George because you had been in there. Yep. Was first name basis with George. And you remember what his catch phrase was? No. Well, he would say, packing the pipe, “Pack it like a baby, pack it like a mama, “and, pack it like a daddy.” or something like that. But when you ask them about like, what do you think about this one? Oh smooth. This is– Yeah. They were all– Smooth. It’s real smooth. It’s real smooth. Everything. I was like, “George, do you have a tobacco that’s not smooth?” “No. I specialize in smooth.” So we would go in there, and we would buy cigars, and we’d save up money to get like the nicer ones. Like a $7 cigar. And I remember– That was a big Friday night. We would go sit underneath the stoop, and you’re right. There was dirt. It was a dirt floor. It was dank and dark under there. And one day, I mean, you would call and be like, “I’m coming over.” And then he came over and Gregg was dragging a chair. and we were like, “Where did you get this? This looks like one of the chairs from the student center.” Do you remember that? Yeah, I remember now. Yeah. I wouldn’t have remembered that, but yeah. Yeah. I Brought a chair over. You borrowed it, permanent. Hold on. He was a student. He was a student. I mean, he’s paying tuition. It’s his chair. Just because it’s not currently in the student center doesn’t mean he can’t use it. He didn’t take it off campus. He just brought it to the little hole under the stairs. That was our level of subversion. He was like, we were so by the book, and I’m talking capital B book here, and I mean, Gregg, you were very much, do you remember us being like very pious? But then, I guess to finish my point, then you can answer the question is whenever he would come over and he’d stolen a chair, and we’re smoking cigars and we’re just blowing all the smoke around the entrance to the, I just felt like we were being, well, we were edgy. I think I wouldn’t say that we were pious, we were zealous. There’s a very distinct difference between those things. Pious is someone who is obsessed with rule following. Now, we were good guys and everything. But we were zealous. It’s more about belief. About our belief and our faith, but the– I so rule. I remember that time being the first time, not that we didn’t do this before, but when you’re sitting under the stairs, smoking a cigar is when you start just talking about stuff, and considering a night out, just a three hour conversation about something. Yeah. Every weekend. That was the beginning of that being a staple, because we weren’t going out and partying. Nope. Do you remember us being zealous? Was that a part of the equation of these guys are different? No, that wasn’t part of the equation. I do think you might have been zealous. But never really took that into account, to be honest with you. Because if you came from a place where you were doing things that were off limits for us. So then once you came into the fold and Todd was trying to get you into campus crusade. Once you became our friend, it was just like, you were all in at that point. Which came first? Being friends with us or being Christians? Did we rope you into like really going all in for Jesus? No, you guys didn’t. Well this kind of goes to you guys’ deconstruction. Yeah. I’ve thought about this a lot, actually, because when I became a Christian, I met you guys shortly thereafter. And I thought of like, what does this say about me? Like does their deconstruction, what effect does it have on me? But I kind of realized that. I deconstructed many years before. I grew up in a Christian home, and at some point I said, this is not for me. I don’t even know what I’m doing. So I kind of rethought the whole thing, and ended up where I am. Where I was at that point in time. And you guys were just great friends. I just loved being around you, and I still wish I could relive it all. It was a wonderful time in my life to hang out and nothing beats those college years. Those are the best years that I remember. Yeah. Because it’s like you said, the definition of entertainment was just the three of us hanging out for hours, just talking, just talking. And I think there was no, yeah, we were just getting a kick out of each other. It was just being on the same wavelength, and there just being that, I also think, Gregg, you brought this dynamic into our, I have to think, it’s like, I’m projecting a little bit, because I don’t remember thinking this at the time, and I don’t remember us talking about Gregg, talking about you when you weren’t around. But I have to think looking back on it that, as close as Rhett and I were, there was thing to bring, You mixed things up. Bringing a third person into the equation, it kind of opened things up. There’s lots of things where it’s like, if the two of us are talking, and it’s even true now, a lot of times, if we hang out with people, there’s this dynamic, that’s like, we’ve heard so much about each other. We’ve lived so much of our lives together, and know so much. It’s like you bring somebody into it, who’s newer to the equation, it opens up the conversation. It makes it where you can talk. You can cover new ground, you can have a different perspective. And I think you were so, your sense of humor and just you were so game for conversation, and you came from a different place. Well, Wilmington. But then it was just like, this guy has a different vibe. He’s cool. He’s weird. He’s got interesting perspective. He’s funny. I think it had to have breathed. It had been a breath of fresh air into our friendship to open it up in that way. I kind of see, you guys are, been best friends for a long time. And I think it speaks volumes to your friendship. That you would allow a third best friend into that dynamic, and it didn’t affect you guys at all. I mean, I could hang out with Rhett or I could hang out with Link, or we could all hang out together, or y’all could and hang out with each other, and it was like there was no question that the friendship was true. There was never any worrying that Rhett had a new best friend, or link had a new best friend. It was truly this perfect three way friendship. It was a perfect three way. Yeah. That’s how we definitely thought of it. But yeah, I was thinking about that too. Well, I think that we were always, without stating it, we were always looking for somebody to be like the third person in our friendship, but that takes a special person, because– We didn’t know we were looking for it, but I do think when we found it in Gregg, it was just very natural. It has it has happened a few times in our lives, but the reason it’s a challenge is because, we both have to like the person, which isn’t always the case. Right? Right. And it’s not that you like people that I don’t like, or I like people that you don’t like, it’s that we are both pretty particular in terms of where we’re gonna invest our time and who’s gonna be our friend, and that’s kinda always been the case. We’re both very tough, and as we said, we like spending time with people, and then like retreating, and analyzing the person and the experience, the two of us later. And I think if we ever talked about you, Gregg, it was like all the stuff that I’ve already said, and it was all positive, and there was this vibe that, yeah, I’m actually very surprised that there was something about the nature of our dynamic, that you brought something that I wasn’t threatened by. Because I have to think that very well could have been part of the equation, but it never was. Because we did hang out the, I wanna talk about the dynamic with how we did hang out, how we spent our time, it was based– You hung out with Gregg a lot more than I did during the school week. And we’ll talk about why that was, but one of the things that happened early on that sophomore year, I’ll was see if you remember this, and I don’t remember exactly how it came up, but we got you to cut your hair. If you remember your- Mop top. Your freshman year haircut, and then you went, basically, just buzz, and you basically had the buzz cut for a very long time after that. Do you remember what– Did I cut his hair? Did I cut your hair? Probably. I’m sure we all cut each other’s hair. We had the Clippers. Yeah. You were cutting my hair in college, for sure. You don’t remember us talking you into cutting your hair? No, I thought I always had that haircut. No dude. When we met you– Freshman year, man, you had a lot of hair on top of head. Looked like a wig. Well, we called it the mushroom. You had a mushroom, dude. We gave you a makeover and then you guys, I mean, whenever you guys would hang out without me, you’d be playing Twisted Metal. Well, but let’s establish why. You studied all the time. I studied a lot, in my freshman year. I studied a whole lot in my freshman year. I got all A’s and I was like, okay. Been there, done that. This doesn’t need to be what college is about. So starting sophomore year, I was like, I’m gonna study enough to get outta here with a respectable GPA but– But you also had another guy, who wasn’t me that gave you opportunity to do stuff. Well, and then Gregg. When I was not giving you any opportunity. Gregg is famous for the line, when I was over there at his place, and we were getting ready to play another round– See if he remembers it? of twisted metal. ‘Cause that was our game. You remember that? Twisted metal was our game. Now, do you remember what you told me when I was like, I gotta go study, man. You know what you know, you don’t learn anything. I live by that. You know what you know, you don’t learn anything. And then there was like this corollary of like everything I know I learned in kindergarten. Was that also you? No, I don’t think so. Okay. The catch phrase. I mean, me and Gregg– You know what you know you don’t learn anything. It’s interesting in the dynamic that you’re talking about with not feeling threatened because Gregg and I did end up spending a lot of time together playing video games, eating Gumbee’s eat pizza. You’ve never really been into video games. You’re not really into food. So the idea of we’re gonna go and get off extra large pizza and sit on a bench and eat the whole thing. That’s just not Link Neal stuff. So it was like, yeah. But I had somebody who was like, yeah, I do like to eat pizza in the middle of the night. And I do like to not study and play video game. And so me and Gregg had something. So for you, from your perspective, Gregg filled a felt need that you had that I couldn’t fulfill as your best friend. I wonder if we look at it the other way. For me, what did we do together, Gregg, without Rhett? I don’t know. I know that the years after college, I hung out with you more, a lot more than I hung out with Rhett. It’s like almost two different stages there. Yeah. Yeah. We had a post-college stage where we were both newly weds, starting our marriages, Christy and Jim were good friends. But you go to the same church. We went to the same church. Ah, yeah. So that’s why we had now first stage of post-college adulthood, I would go over to your house, and you still had that Homer Simpson grill. It was a yellow grill that looked like from The Simpsons. I have one of Gregg’s bristle– Still have it. You till have it? Still have it. Yeah. But to go back to sophomore year. Yeah. So you would go over there, you would play twisted metal, and then let’s get into the prime time of it all, because you took over, Garrett was a senior, a freshman year-ish. He was the MC, he was leaving. He pulled you under his wing, and you were just waiting for him and Todd to ask you to step up and be the MC. You were lobbying for that. Yeah. And I was in support of that, but it was like there was these recruiting conversations. It was interesting. But then you got the job. It was no pay. And then, because I was already upfront. We were both in that the most visible roles as students to shape what the weekly meeting looked like, and, of course we would talk about, you’d be working up stuff that you were gonna do in your monologue. I’d like to walk through what a primetime episode would look like, but of course, Gregg, you were wrapped up in all this because we were a trio. If we were both shaping the meeting and having ideas, I think pretty quickly, you got involved on stage two, basically, as the Andy Richter to Rhett’s Conan or Ed McMahon to his Johnny Carson. Well, I just remember him thinking that– Like a sidekick. Gregg was hilarious, that everybody thought that he was funny, and he had really interesting ways of saying things. Yeah. And so I was just like, why don’t you come up and just give a deep thought? So it was obviously a throwback to the Jack Handey thing from the SNL days, but it was just like, Gregg, do you have a deep thought for us? And then I honestly don’t remember how those were concocted. I don’t know. I remember how they were concocted. Okay. We would sit back before the meeting, and We would all come up with this deep thought, and you guys would perfectly plan out what I was gonna say. And I could never say it. Never say it quite as written- But there was a– Which was part of the thing that made it great. And then a lot of times, You and I would be working on it because, Rhett, you’d be working on your monologue. Right. So then while you’re getting prepared last minute for that, Gregg, you and I would be over on the side, and I would be drilling you in your deep thought. I mean, you do remember the preamble to it, right? That was the same every time. Yeah. Yeah. I didn’t mess that up. I don’t think. Let’s hear it. After much deep thought and great meditation, I’ve come to the realization. That. That… And then you would say it. I don’t know. I don’t remember one. Yeah. I don’t remember any of that. After much deep thought and great meditation, I’ve come to the realization that if you’re gonna walk backwards, you’re only seeing where you’ve been, but that’s not a bad thing, if you’re about to walk off a cliff. I don’t know. I made that up, but they would be that non sequitur– And they were very unrelated. They weren’t themed to anything that I was talking about, because what I was doing every single week is, I mean, this is one of my favorite times in my life, because I had this audience, and I basically was like, I’m writing a standup routine, an original standup routine every single week. I was much more excited about that than I was studying. And it was just like, okay, well, this week, I’m gonna tell this story, or this week, I’m gonna do this. And I remember one week I was like, I had gotten so much confidence. Was way overconfident. I was like this week, I’m not letting myself think about any of it until I’m up there, and I’m doing it all off the cuff. I don’t think that one went that well. And of course there was the video aspect, probably was about one out of 10. Let’s paint a picture for how this went, so– We did that two times a semester. The weekly meeting every Thursday night, it would start I think when you started, maybe it might have been a few hundred people, and then that was sophomore year, junior year, senior year, by senior year, it was the largest campus group. There was like over a thousand students coming to this thing. They had to start moving the venue. And it wasn’t just because of any one thing. I mean, the fact that, yeah, there was a lot of comedy involved, it was very fun. It was a fun environment to be in, so that was a factor. There were other factors too, but I think it definitely was a positive contribution to the numbers growing every week. It became kind of this spectacle, if you’re gonna show up to this thing. And in my mind, I was very much a part of it. Obviously in your mind, you were the center of it as the host, and Gregg is sidekick, but Whenever we’d get together, sophomore year, and then junior year, when we moved into an apartment, the three of us together, it was like the epicenter of planning, working with Todd on planning an episode, I mean, a meeting. So the meeting would start with singing, and I would lead the singing. So I would be up there and like saying stuff in between songs and kind of scratching that itch of like having an audience. But it was very spiritual. It was very spiritual. I had to stay in my lane. But then the next thing that would happen is you would come out as the MC and do a welcome, but a lot of times we saw that as an opportunity to create a video, and they had done this in years past, create a video where it would be this comedy lead up to you. It would always be you’re doing something, some sort of adventure or something, and then the way the video would always end is you walking up the stairs to the front of the venue, and then you would come in and you’d be there. So it would seem like a continuation of the video live. And in reality, I think we probably only did that at the beginning of each semester Because, literally, we had to make the videos, and then I was going home to my dad’s office in Buoys Creek and editing them on two VCRs. This was still before a non-linear editing system. If we were in college right now, we would’ve been doing videos every single week, but we didn’t have the capacity to do it. So at first you would just come out, maybe without a video, but then when we started making videos, you and Gregg would come out as a duo. Yeah, yeah, yeah. As a comedy duo. The two of you would come out, and so the video was a set piece to introduce the two of you, whenever we could make those. And I was the director, DP, I was the cameraman. Right. And you and I were very involved in coming up with what these videos would be, and then it would be kind of some sort of storyline, sometimes Gregg would be lost or you would be fighting. I don’t know. I had to find Gregg a couple of times, and then I think– In one of them, you actually carried– I carried you in. You carried Gregg in, like he was passed out or dead or something. I never thought of this, but why did I never find Rhett? You were the sidekick. You were the side kick. I had to find you in order to feel complete. You would come down the aisle together and then Rhett would be, you would stand on the side, Rhett would do his monologue, I would be sitting in the audience, laughing the loudest. I was basically doing what Stevie does in “Good Mythical Morning.” You would let the crowd, the person who sits under the- I’d break the icebreaker. I’d break– Everybody know it’s okay to laugh. It’s okay to laugh. Applause coach. Yeah. I would laugh, not applaud. So Gregg, you would be standing up there the whole time that Rhett was giving his monologue, and occasionally, Rhett would turn to you, and have an exchange if he wanted to. But otherwise you were just kind of standing there awkwardly, waiting to give your deep thought, which was hilarious, not the deep thought. The fact that you were just standing up there was just kind of funny to me. And then you would say something like Gregg, and you would know it would have a pattern, video or not monologue. And then you would turn to Gregg and say, “Hey, Gregg,” or you might say, “What’s up. Gregg?” and he’d say, “Good.” And I’d say, “Gregg, you’ve been thinking about anything?” We always set it up as– So everyone would, expect– It was a natural conversation. this really anti-climatic deep thought that I was waiting for you to totally screw up, which was an added layer of, but you were good at it. Something about you delivery. People, loved it. People loved it every time. And then after that, we’d probably sing some more songs, there might be promotions for different events, and then there’d be a speaker, and then there’d be more songs, and that would be it. So it’s like really the beginning was about the comedy. Well, that’s the interesting thing is that the beginning of every meeting, in addition to the funny monologue, I would have to say, “Campus Crusade for Crisis “Internominational Christian Organization “founded in 1951 by.” And I would do the spiel, and I would be like we operate on a three, I would make it different every time, but say three pronged philosophy of win, build, send. Win students to Christ, build them up in their faith, and send them out to continue the win, build send process. I said, stuff like that all the time. You became because spokesman. And then there was this weird dynamic of, and this really became a thing during Christmas carols but trying to be as funny as possible, and then being spiritual, because a pastor would come up and speak and do a serious talk. It usually started humorously, and then ended in a serious place. And then I gotta get up there after that. And at this point, all the funny games are over, and I gotta say something that sounds like the student response to this thing. It was such a weird dynamic– That talk really had an impact on you. But Gregg, the thing I wanna talk to you about is do you know that, so obviously, after we graduated and we were engineers for a while then Link and I went on staff for crusade to kind of do our comedy ministry thing. And during the support raising process, you would have to kind of talk about, you gotta give your spiel and kind of explain what you’re doing. And Link was Link– I was gonna bring this up because I was there for one of these meetings. Oh. You were? Yes, I was there when Link was presenting the fact that Rhett and Link were were hosting the weekly meeting, and I looked at Link, and I was like mm. Yeah. And Link’s simplified story that he would give to supporters, he overwrote you with himself. And you were in the room for it. Yeah. I heard the spill. I was there for one of the presentations. I think you gave me some money. Thank you. Well, listen. To me, I was justified in doing it because it was just too complicated to try to explain. I completely understand why you did it. You weren’t– Were you upset? No. Yeah. You were talking to like a 65 year old person in Kinston North Carolina. Yeah. Who? Well, apparently I was talking to Gregg at one time. For some reason you and I went up to Asheville for something and you were scrounging for supporters, and I was like, well, I met some people in Asheville, so these were my contacts. Yes. So you took to him to Asheville, and then he told the story about me and him. That’s him. Yeah. And it probably didn’t occur to me as I was saying it. I don’t think they supported you, they could see through your like… Yeah. Yeah. I’m glad. You had the perfect opportunity to be like, when Gregg was up there. You could have used Gregg’s connection to these people. You probably come outta there– I was using Gregg. That’s very clear at this point, but not in the right way. Gregg, I’m sorry for erasing you in my revisionos history. Before that, I think there were moments when you moved from, by junior year, they asked you, Rhett to be the MC for the regional Christmas conference, and by this point, when you did that, I was involved less at first, but then more and more over time, and that’s where we became a comedy duo on stage. Yeah. But the way that that happened was, first of all, Gregg, I’m interested in your perspective on this because at that point, the Gregg sidekick thing didn’t, I don’t remember how, but it didn’t transfer over to the regional Christmas conference. And I didn’t replace you– I remember this. immediately. Okay. So the first year I did it, the only time that you were on Sage was during the music. Right. Was during the comedy music, not the worship music, the original songs. That we would write together. And the first first song was the Unibrown song, which was the song that we wrote when we wrote the song for your rehearsal dinner, which was, “We’ve seen Gregg naked, soon you will too,” whatever that one. Hope you enjoy it more than we do. So when we got up there, it was actually you and Tim and Gregg. Nope. Gregg wasn’t there. It was just you and Tim? No. And I think the reason– I was getting married. I was getting married right then. You were moving on. That’s why you went out of the picture. You didn’t go to Christmas conference, you were engaged, you were moving on. We had written and performed at least one song for seniors at the NC State weekly meeting. So we had started writing some songs. Yeah. That first song that we ever performed at a Prime Time NC State meeting for seniors, I don’t wanna go into the details of it. But it was me. By senior year, we had Tim move in with us in our apartment. So me, you and Tim were each playing a three-headed person who was singing back up to you- Yeah. Singing, so that was the first song we ever played. But then the second song that I remember was the Unibrown song, which Tim still came up there for that. And Christmas carols. And then after that, there was no more Tim playing, singing songs with us, and I moved more into a sidekick and then a co-host role. Because once I was no longer a student, and me and you were doing our comedy thing together, and also talking a about going on staff is when, right at the beginning of the whole conference, we would both get up there together. So that was the third year or something like that. So in retrospect, from that point, Rhett and I were a comedy duo, we were doing this full time. And when you worked backwards, we had done it in Christmas Conference so many years that, when you go back four or five years, then yeah, I kind of become you in the story just so I can get that money. Now just to simplify. Well, Gregg, did you ever find yourself thinking, man, I mean, he’s not asking me to do the deep thoughts at Christmas Conference, because you never told me that. No. Never thought that never. Okay, good. I’m don’t feel bad. I ran out of thoughts. You ran outta deep thoughts. You stopped thinking deeply after college. Yeah. I’ve been writing them down every week for 22 years. Well rewinding a little bit to that junior year, because again, the first time, so that was the year we moved off campus. Right? And this is the first time that the two of us ever lived with anyone else. So of course we had lived together freshman and sophomore year in our dorm, but when we decided to move off campus to Gorman Crossings, apartment 3000C. I’m sure it was a no brainer that it was gonna be the three of us. Yeah. Yeah. That only made sense. Right? It was so exciting. I remember that moment too of just like, “Hey, we’re getting an apartment.” Yeah. It had stairs in it. We each- No, it didn’t. No. When we did the tour, it had stairs. I remember the tour had stairs in it. It was a two story one, and then we ended up getting the one story one is what we ended up renting. But I was like, this is so crazy. There’s carpet on stairs. I don’t know why that was fascinating to me. Oh yeah. We didn’t get that one. We thought that Gorman Crossings was so nice. It was a three bedroom apartment. We each had our own bedroom. It had a sliding glass doors off the living room that went right into like stoop, and I was like, this is our new stoop. We now have sunlight. We get to sit out here and have our three hour conversations and smoke pipes by George. So yeah, playing house with your best friends. It was so much fun. We moved Mr. Fly, our couch into there. We decorated the room with the Lionel vinyl and the Michael Jackson, Thriller vinyl. We found a couch out by the dumpster that looked similar to Mr. Fly. It was like a golden and green. Do you remember that? Yep. And we brought in, all the furniture was probably from thrift stores. Pretty junky. And I remember you had a thing for a label maker. Yeah. Yeah. I labeled things. You would label things for comedic effect. Yep. Yep. Still do. Like our VCR said, “VCR” on it, which reminds me of the big God macing initiative that I think I was in a relationship. You were in a relationship. I was dating Christy. Do you remember? Okay. I was on the fringe of this. Gregg, do you remember the God macing idea that we had? Yeah. I think we had that idea while we were going out the Mission Valley, dollar 50 theater. This is where the plan really got hashed out. Yeah. But it culminated with the Plan of The Apes movie marathon. Yeah. So for the uninitiated. For those of you who weren’t there that night. God macing, it was me and Gregg’s idea to, and this just goes very much against what we were being told by Campus Crusade. You find a girl who’s not Christian, or maybe she’s not a serious Christian, and you date her with the intention that she would become a Christian. And really it was, I think it was because we were a little bit– That’s not good though. We were a little bit frustrated with the pool of women that we had at our disposal in Campus Crusade. Disposal. We wanted to expand the circle, and the only way we could justify it is, it was an active evangelism. How do you remember the “Planet of The Apes” idea? I don’t know. Like every good idea how, who came up with it? I don’t know. But I know that we had multiple TVs, and we had a VCR and we figured out a way to hook multiple TVs to one VCR. Yeah. That’s a classic, Gregg. There was “Planet of The Apes” In every single room in the apartment. You created a closed circuit television system, in anticipation for so many women, who you didn’t know. We wanted to it to be us and all women. That was the plan. So you went around campus and started inviting– We would go up to- Strange women. We would just go up to- Well, strangers. Group of girls talking, and be like, “How you guys doing? “We’re showing “Planet of The Apes” in our apartment.” Some people come. Some girls came. They did, they showed up. I mean, not many. We had more TVs than we needed. Not more TVs than women, but– I mean, to your credit, there was a good number of women there. I would say there were at least eight women there. And I walked in and I didn’t know any of them. And “Planet of The Apes” was showing on at least two televisions. I don’t know if there was a third one. Yeah. And, Gregg, we didn’t provide any, if I recall correctly. Was there food? There definitely wasn’t alcohol. There was no alcohol. I don’t know if we even had drinks and food, man. We didn’t know how to throw a party. We were just like, they’re just gonna be interested. Why would you need drink and food? There’s “Planet of The Apes”. Oh man. I would love to hear one of those– No relationships came out that. I would love to hear one of those girls describe that. They’re out there somewhere, and they’re just like– I think it would kind be– These guys invited me to this thing. Yeah. Some strangers invited me to their apartment to watch “Planet of The Apes”. They really built it up as a big deal. I’m sure they don’t even remember it, because it was not memorable. They did not mention Jesus, because you didn’t. You can’t do that on day one. You gotta use “Planet of The Apes” as a segue into the gospel. Right. Bait and switch, they call that. So you baited them with “Planet of The Apes”, and yes, I think they would say, well, we showed up and they were watching “Planet of The Apes” on the VCR. And the couches were kind of ratty. There was no food. They seemed very excited that we were there, and then we left. I think that’s what they would say. Man. So maybe it’s not all you hoped it would be. Yeah. It didn’t last. But hey, you know what? It took a lot of initiative, and you guys really, again, I was in a relationship. You guys were trying to play catch up. You still are. I got married first. Gregg, you got married. I got married first. I got married in May. You got married in December, and then, Rhett, you got married the next June. Right, all within one calendar year. And all still married to the same lovely women. So, Gregg, you jotted down some stuff. One other thing here. Relevant to what we’re talking here, there was this girl named Lindsay. Mm-hmm. Yep. I was talking to Lindsay. This is the one bone I will ever pick with Rhett, and I’ve never done it, so here I go. Oh, I’m excited about this. Oh, yeah. I thought you would be. There was this girl named Lindsay. Yep. Oh, I remember. Lindsay was interested in me, and I was interested in Lindsay, until Rhett got involved. What happened? Well, all I know, next thing, Lindsay likes Rhett. But she didn’t though. You were talking to her, right? Did you go on a date? The date was it was about to happen. It was imminent? It was imminent. Yes. Yes. Imminent. But in your mind, it was imminent. Yes, definitely. And hold on. Did you tell me? Did I know this? Did I know that you liked her? I remember it. I remember Gregg liked her. I remember Rhett sort of like hinting like, would it be okay if I talked to Lindsay? And I mean what do you say to your friend when they ask if they could talk? You were my God macing partner. I mean, I just thought that it was just to pretend. No, I honestly do not. I do not remember. Because when I think about Lindsay, what I remember is liking her, and then she immediately went on summer project. And when she came back, she was dating one of the guys that she met on summer project. And when you meet somebody on summer project, even though it’s for another school, you’ve got on summer project glasses, and you think you’re in love? I don’t– Call them goggles. Goggles. She probably ended up marrying him. Who knows? But I’m sorry, Gregg. I didn’t know that you were moving in. Sorry for what? Give a full apology. I’m sorry for moving in on you and a girl that you were interested in. Well, I’m over it. I’m over it now. I don’t think I really understood that there was something there. I didn’t know that that was happening. I thought you were just like, yeah, she’s hot. And I was like, yeah, she is hot. Maybe I could talk her. Maybe I shouldn’t have said anything then. Well, I mean, it all worked out for the best, obviously. Yeah. Nobody ended up with Lindsay. She went on a summer project. She’d ended up with somebody if she wanted to. You gotta lock it down– We wish her the best. before they go on summer project, but I didn’t. If you said you didn’t get upset at that, there were some signature moments where Gregg would get upset. You had this signature way of getting mad that was hilarious. And I mean, literally when you would get really angry, we would laugh and it would do nothing, but make you more angry. It just makes it matter. I distinctively remember this one time of you, there was a basketball involved, and whenever you would get upset that you would get this look on your face, that would be like, like your eyes would get big, and your lips would start moving. But you’re not saying anything. And then we’d be like, “Gregg, you’re mad. “Tell us, what’s going on.” And then, I’m sorry, I don’t remember anything you were mad at. Apparently, Lindsay. I mean, I never moved in on any girl that you were clearly talking to, because I do remember that you were talking to Lindsay. Yes, I remember that too. Yeah. But I do remember at another time, you got mad with a basketball, and you threw the basketball and hit, was it threw at Tim? It was Tim? Okay. Hit Tim in the chest with it. From what I remember, he was making fun of the skinny-ness of Gregg. Oh. Oh. Speaking in third person here. A very sensitive subject for myself. Okay. For Gregg? Yeah. Okay. I didn’t mean to bring up– And so you too the basketball– another traumatic experience on top of it, but– But I think you also got mad when we– We hugged it out, I think. Hey, that’s one thing. I mean, this is why I’m surprised that we never talked about the Lindsay thing, because we were actually, yeah, so junior year, we lived together, and then, of course, Tim joined senior year, but we were really good at working. I think there was an emotional immaturity there that I definitely think it came through our– At least for two of us. Yeah. our involvement and crew, and just sort of like, these things are important and being real and being vulnerable is important. And so we would work through our issues, which is why I’m surprised that we never talked about Lindsay until now, but I do remember the time that we took your, speaking of your label maker, you had slightly different tastes. You had like Wilmington taste, which was a elevated above the taste that, the boys Creek tastes. So you would get like Edy’s ice cream, and we would get the plastic bucket of ice cream from Food Lion. And you had this easy– Food Lion ice cream. Yeah. And we were just sitting there one night, you weren’t there, and we were like, man, Gregg’s got that Edy’s ice cream. We need that– And the color of the Edy’s ice cream was very white. Very nice vanilla. You had a taste for the better ice cream. Oh. Yeah, I did. Yeah. We just didn’t have the fight to buy it. Because we had communal groceries. But then on top of communal groceries– There were some special ones. You would have special stuff that you just buy and label for yourself. You labeled the Edy’s for yourself, and because everything else was communal with the three and then the four of us, it was never enough because we weren’t willing to allocate enough money. We would split one hamburger helper meal– Four ways. four ways. We did it three ways, and then when Tim came along, we’d just went four ways. We didn’t get more hamburger helper, we just got less each. So yeah, the Edy’s ice cream. So we ate probably a third to a half of your Edy’s pint, and then we took our cheap, yellow, vanilla ice cream, and filled it back up and smoothed it out on top. And then your lips started to move, but you weren’t talking. Do you recall this? I do, but did I get mad about that? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. No, I think you probably thought it was hilarious that we tried that we tried to do it. No, no, no. I think he got mad. No way. No way I got mad about that. Those are the days though, man, I’ve taken all of our oldest videos and we’re getting them digitized. And because on a, you were an editor back then. Once we really started moving into video editing later, definitely when we got into YouTube, I really wanted to the editor and took over for that. But yeah, it was interesting because your dad had the two VCRs that you became the default editor, and you would always throw Led Zeppelin on it. You just kept going back to Led Zeppelin. We weren’t even huge Led Zeppelin fans, but it was always perfect. Makes a great soundtrack though. It’s great for- And it’s subversive for- entrance videos. It’s very subversive music for a Christian organization For Christian a organization. Which we kind of liked that aspect, and Barry white as well. Yes. It was like, we were like, we’re gonna play love making and devil music in all of our videos that we’re making for crew. Yeah. And again, We were super zealous about our faith. But we did not like Christian music. Yeah, we hated it. Because we had taste. But for that reason, we can’t put these videos out there. The first videos that we made for our first audience, which featured the two of you, prominently, and me just in feature roles or just behind the camera, have never been seen except for in front of those live audiences. But now I’m gonna put them on the mythical society, because of the Led Zeppelin of it all, that’s the only place where we can safely put it out there. So yeah. It’s gonna be behind a paywall, but, hey, you get what you pay for, baby. So we’re gonna do like a director’s commentary of this thing. We could just get rid of the soundtrack and voice over all the parts again. We could do that. Yeah. Yeah. So you guys, I’m sure you’ve talked about, have you talked about the calculus jackass story? Has that been talked about before? Yeah. Oh my God. Yes, yes. Yes, but it’s been so– We haven’t called in a while. We gotta tell that story again. Yeah. Rhett, I was late in the calculus class? Yeah. It was me- You and Tim were in the calculus class, and we get through the semester, I’m a back row seater. All the way back. All the way back. Back corner. Close to– And how many students? Probably 40, 50? Guess we were 100. 100? I don’t know how the idea got stalled up, but– Well, I remember it because we had that British professor. He was very serious He kind of had a sense of humor, but he was a very in-control professor. He had control of his classroom. And so at some point I just remember thinking, because what the heck what would this guy do? I was like, Gregg, if you’ll stand up, raise your hand, and when he calls on you, stand up and say, I’m a jackass at any point in the semester, I will buy you a foot long. Was that it? From Blimpy? From Blimpy. Blimpy. Yeah, Blimpy. Which is a big sandwich. That’s a big sandwich. So this is halfway through the semester this idea hatched? Yeah, it must have been. But yeah, through the semester, Rhett’s always kind of prodding me. “When are you gonna do it?” We’re doing the end of semester exam. Yeah, last day, exam prep. Last day of class. The professor had just gone over number nine, I’m pretty sure. I’m pretty sure it was number nine, and he’s asking, is there any more questions on number nine? And I raised my hand and he’s like, “Yes, yes. You in the back.” And I stand up and there’s a pause. Everyone turns around to see. Because you stood up. Man, that wasn’t, it wasn’t a protocol to stand up. And I say, “I’m a jackass.” Well, the TA was sitting nearby and he started laughing. He understood what was going on. I think we had kind of run it by him to see what he would think. We didn’t want Fs in the class. Right, yeah. I didn’t wanna compromise your grade. We, what do you mean me and you? Me, me, me. I didn’t love the class. And do you remember what the professor said? Because he was very quick. What does that make me? Yeah I was like, yes. Pretty great. And he was so quick. And then what did you do? And then everybody laughed. Then I back sat back down. And then we went to Blimpy and got a sub. He got that sub baby. There was another incident similar. Rhett and I were at Carmichael and we were just, were you playing? You must have been playing basketball or something, but there’s a group of guys, they’re playing 21. Isn’t 21 where you’re just shooting the, you’re playing one on one against everybody. Against everybody. Yeah. And Rhett says, Hey Gregg, I want you to get in there and get that ball and go in for a layup. And I don’t care if you make it. I just want you to like fall hard. I do not play basketball but, I get in there in the mix, I’m in the mix. I get the ball I go for a layup and I throw up as hard as I can up into the rim and it hits the rim and it hits me in the face and I’m laid out and I’m up on the ground and those guys, I’m quite sure they’ve never had a better last one. Yeah, wherever you go, Gregg, you enrich people’s lives. I also love that. I love that jackass, I’m a jackass. I love jackass humor till this day like one of my favorite movies of the year is jackass forever. I love it. You love watching other people do it. I took shepherd of that movie because you don’t care about it. And Gregg was just the perfect– Up for anything. Yeah, he was like, I’m totally gonna do this. And it will, it’ll get this reaction now. So I mean, yeah we did. you were the object of a lot of humor. You were the subject of a lot of like ideas that we would hatch. It was kinda like we, produced you. We were like comedy producers. And so it worked, We weren’t filming it. We didn’t film it at all. It wasn’t like we were puppeting you. It was just like we saw, I think as producers we saw how funny you were and we wanted to offer that up to the classroom or to the pickup basketball court or whatever the case may be. It just seemed like we were just packaging you as a gift to the world and you were always game for it and we weren’t pulling one over on you. No, no if it was in that same scenario, I would be the Johnny Knoxville and you would be the Steve-O. It was a beautiful arrangement. And you get the reaction that you’re looking for. It’s just, we weren’t shooting any of it. We were just– But when we did film stuff– remembering it Gregg. I mean, it was like, you’d have an idea. And then it would be like, okay, this is gonna be funny. I don’t know how Gregg’s, what Gregg’s gonna do, but I know it will be even funnier than I thought, like it’s one thing– Especially if I did it right. It wouldn’t be funny. You know what I’m saying? But it’s not okay, it would be funny if he does a lay up, but what you don’t know is that he’s gonna hit himself in the face by accident. I remember we were shooting this video and I was setting up this shot and I was like, Hey, Gregg, you’ve gotta run around the corner and then into the entrance to our dorm and I’m filming it. I hope I can find this footage. I’ll show it on the mythical society if I find it. You’re running and you have these big baggy jeans, but you didn’t have an ass and we always saw your crack, man. Your crack was always showing and you’re like running around the corner. And then as you, I remember seeing this through the camera, clear as day you’re running, you turn the corner. And then as you’re running your pants, start falling– Slowly falling down. slowly, falling down to the thigh, to the knee, to the ankle. But you didn’t stop. ‘Cause you knew exactly what you were doing. You knew where you needed to go. And it’s like, okay, he’s gonna make it to his mark. He’s just not gonna have pants on when he gets there. And like, I don’t know, you either fell or didn’t fall. He got steps from the door and fell down. You remember that? Yeah, yeah, I remember I was still running and the pants were all the way down. But it wasn’t– We couldn’t show that one in the crusade cut. But there was a video where you were too completely naked. Completely naked and you were playing video game. Twisted metal. Twisted metal. And I was like, oh, shit, we didn’t say oh, shit, but it was like, oh no, we forgot that it’s time to be at the primetime meeting. That was one of the semesters opening meetings, was me and Gregg playing video games naked. Naked. And I framed it up. I don’t know why they let us get away with any of this. I framed it up where you couldn’t see your junk. And then it’s like, oh no, they’re naked. They’re playing a game. And then it’s like, oh no, we gotta go. And then you both start to stand up, but you grab your book bags in such a way in the perfect placement. So that, but like, I gotta give it, listen, you were probably naked. You were literally probably naked. I gotta give it to Marty Valentine, and Mike Affy, and Todd Smith– For letting that go through. For being cool with that. Hope they don’t have any regrets about how we ended up, but it wasn’t because of that. They knew what was important and they were willing to have fun. And it was like there, it’s just a couple of dudes naked playing video games as a joke. It’ll be funny. So first of all, Gregg, do you have any other memories that you’ve jotted down? I love the fact that you actually made notes. Like we’ve never seen you actually make notes for, you’ve actually done homework. This is important. This conversation was important. Anything else before– No, I just wanted to bring up one other thing. It was Rhett’s wedding rehearsal, dinner, barbecue pick picking. Yeah. Yeah. We had a pick picking. Yeah. So yeah, I was at that function and everyone, we’re sitting in a big circle. We sit in a big circle and everyone’s going around. They’re saying how wonderful Rhett and Jessie are. And the need to say something important, but I, big mistake, big mistake. You should never sit me down and give me the opportunity to say something important. But so my observation has always been well, what happens to Rhett will happen to link, or what happens to Link will, eventually, it’s gonna happen. Like if re does it like Link is not far behind. But my example was the snowboarding incident. We go snowboard for Link. And a couple weeks later go with Rhett same, same thing. We both got concussions. Both got concussions. I didn’t get a broken pelvis though. So were you insinuating that I was gonna have sex with Rhett’s wife? Yep. That was the subtext. No. After I got done, I sat down and after everyone else’s nice, nice little speech. Like everyone gave a clap, polite clap or laugh but I got nothing. You got– Well, the funny thing is, is that’s a wonderful thing about rehearsal and receptions and stuff like that. Or that was like the night before engagement thing is that it’s the whole mixed company thing. So you’ve got like family. you were bringing that dynamic of I’m gonna do something. I’m gonna be strange– that we would have done just amongst us. But my grandparents were there. And so they’re like, who is that boy? I think, we got a lot of love for you, man. This has been so fun, catching up, but I think we’ve alluded this in previous podcasts, just to kind of talk about like where our friendship is now. And over the years, I think there was, when we graduated and then you and Jim went to Argentina on stuff of campus crusade, right? For stint. Yes. For over a year, like a year and a half. And then you came back and, you went somewhere else on stuff? No, I came back and we lived in Raleigh for three years. We reconnected then, right? Yeah. Went back to school and then we did a lot of stuff with you and Christy. Then we moved to Florida and then we moved South Africa and here we are now in Washington. So, and then Florida to South Africa and Washington. That was all engineering. Your engineering jobs. Yes. I think that with distance and with us trying to get our careers off the ground, it was kind of like, as there was a drifting apart where we really didn’t keep in touch that often, at least that was my recollection of it. Well things get so busy, but when I was in South Africa, we started talking again. We made a way, thanks to the internet to talk. Yeah, that’s right. Because you and I had gotten, we had that like second win when we were going to church together. And like what I said about being adults. And then I think we carried on some of that. But even that started to kind of dissolve over time of being able to keep in touch for a number of years. It was the pandemic that, I don’t remember, it may have been harm’s idea initially for us to start talking on a regular basis, So like that group of guys from state and, we were better about it earlier in the pandemic. And then as life has slowly sort of gotten back to normal and people’s schedules have gotten back to normal. It’s been more difficult. But one of the things that we have pulled off is we’ve actually planned a get together. I’m excited about that. It’s like the troupe-ish of middle aged men. That could still relive their college years by going whitewater rafting in Colorado. That’s what I said on the group thread. I was like, this is like the beginning of either a horror movie. And I said, this is like the beginning of a thriller where something goes wrong. And then I think Tim said, or a comedy like “Hot Tub Time Machine” it’s very much like middle aged dudes who haven’t hung out in a while, all getting together in one house. Whitewater rafting. We’ve hung out a few times over the years seeing you guys. And it’s always like, conversation picks up where it left off. But I am excited to go on a retreat together. That’s another level. Yeah. That is another level. It would be great. It would be good. Yeah, it’s just crazy just to see you got all these children running around, you got three kids? Yeah. I got three kids. I got three kids. You still got two kids. I’m not gonna catch up with you guys on that. But, I’m just grateful that now we’re reconnected. We’re getting together. Of course, that’s assuming nothing bad does happen when we’re on that raft. I might regret the whole thing. But even if it does, if it doesn’t go too bad, that’ll just be a good story. In video. We’ll do that. We’re all gonna have GoPros on our heads. But I’m grateful for our friendship and Rhett and I talk so much about our college years, not only on this podcast, but just in normal life. It’s like you said earlier, it was just such a sweet spot of a time for us. It was such a dynamic experience. And it would not have been the same if you hadn’t come into our lives. And we became a trio and it was something that, Rhett and I, we talk so much about how our friendship is one of a kind and definitely for those college years, for those three years, sophomore, junior, senior, especially sophomore, junior year, where it was the three of us so much. It was just such a special time that few people have that. So we just kind of fit together like a glove and I wouldn’t trade it for the world. It was just super, super sweet. Now that you reminded me of those stories, the jackass one, of course I remember. And I’ve told, I forgot about the basketball one. So now just prepare yourself, Gregg, because we gotta come up with something for you to do when we all get together. So you’re gonna have to say something to the raft guide or something, put your hand on his knee or something. Well, but we we’ll write it, and we will egg you how to do it And then we’re gonna film it. And then you will make it better than we ever thought you could. This time, there will be video evidence. Needs to be. Well, I know you gotta go back to work. Gotta supervise the digging of that hole. So don’t let us keep you from– Yeah. All right, we’ll be in touch. All right. This is the end? This is the end. This is it Gregg. To watch more “Ear Biscuits”, click on the playlist on the right. To watch the previous episode of “Ear Biscuits”, click on the playlist to the left. And don’t forget to click on the circular icon to subscribe. If you prefer to listen to this podcast, it’s available on all your favorite podcast platforms. Thanks for being your mythical best.