[Music] welcome to ear biscuits I’m Rhett and I’m link on this week’s show we have Freddie Wong joining us we had a good conversation with Freddie you were going to enjoy we talked about what it’s like growing up as a first-generation chinese-american how he made money off of a feature-length film that he made while he was still in high school and how he became a world champion Guitar Hero player for realz you can end more stuff I mean those are just some of the things that champion the best in the world at one time yeah I mean I’ve never played the game at all you’ve heard of here folks it’s it’s called an air biscuit there’s plenty of biscuits to be build out into your ears today but you were telling me how you’ve used to women’s restrooms today yeah they did incidentally it has just worked out that I first of all I don’t use I don’t make a habit of walking into women’s restrooms or using them in general but it was I think it’s illegal by the way you know what that was what I was wondering cuz that when I was in the first one I was thinking is this can I be arrested for this but what for what indecent exposure is I mean if it is was there a woman in there no no it was a single it was a single person single use we were at the the car passed the coffee shop that we were at this morning and I needed to take a leak just sorry to say it’s got to be blunt with Eunice you don’t need to be blunt that’s what I need but I needed to go to bathroom and well I’m I think there’s a difference if I had to have it to do the full thing I don’t know if I would have gone in the women’s restroom but so I go to the men’s restroom it’s locked and I’m like listen we need to leave I need to go and I look and I can tell that there’s no but women’s restroom has like a little crack in the door and I just like look around real quick and boom I’m in there and I’ll lock it behind me do my deed and then I and then I leave and I’m thankful at the time when I walk out that there’s that there’s not a woman standing there that’s what it comes down to doesn’t it the I’ve used that same women’s restroom by the way because there’s a good one because you never there’s been guys who just stay in there a long time some of them may be homeless I don’t know they may be doing the whole shower thing it happens in LA the birdbath but it’s the coin in is easy it’s the coming out that gets dicey you can’t make eye contact with fishin gonna be waiting is there gonna be a female there waiting but yeah I do want to say that yes and then when we ate it that yes a woman was waiting no no no woman was waiting but yes it happened two times a day now the first time I was in there I was thinking legitimately is this like against the law are you getting some restaurant code or something it probably not it’s suggested this is the men’s and this is the women’s I don’t know I yeah if anybody out there does have an informed legal opinion about whether it’s illegal to go into the wrong restroom please tweet us at rhett and Link and let us know and we’ll see that now let me ask you a question about this did you sit down you just said you had to do number one I’m not a woman now I know that but did you feel like you should do as the women do because that’s the restroom you were in no I just took special pains to not splash a lot and I and I made sure the seat the seat was splashed a lot what are you doing throwing stones in there sir splash a lot is my rap man yes sir so but I you know okay so you know III was very first of all I noticed and that’s what I wanted to get to was I noticed that it was a clean and be smelled good I was like it’s a weird that it smells good in here and then we’re at the Indian restaurant and I needed to do the same thing this is lunchtime right well I had to pee multiple times in it five hours later and I got to find another woman’s restroom I’m waiting outside of the men’s restroom at this Indian restaurant and the guy who works there the waiter is like uh-uh he says go ahead use that one there’s no ladies here and I was like okay and so I Walters do women’s restroom again and again it just hit me like a wall when I walked in it smells good in here and then it hit me as I began to think deeper on this that in general women smell better than men of course they do all the time you know now that we’re married to women we’re basically in charge of the way our house looks and smells the house smells good all the time but I mean that’s not their jobs they have other jobs they but they’re not just I’m saying in in the particular in our household that is what the the the girls NR in our lives they’ve taken that upon themselves because they know that we’re not gonna do a good developer pinions about these yes and I’m just like if you if you want the bed to look like a princess bed from like a Barbie house then you go for it you know I’ll sleep in it it’ll be great but the house it looks dark when my eyes are closed the house smells good and women smell good in general and I know that they typically will wear you know some perfumes and these kinds of things but there’s dudes who wear a cologne but you can still smell it there’s a guy underneath that cologne you know what I mean what is it it’s just a futile covering that’s what cologne should say on it because men use its its pheromones oh really oh really it’s pheromones and that’s what makes me feel better about it it sends a signal that to to women and now just to my wife only send it to her oh you’re saying I am masculine and I I stink because I do things that I conquer things like earth and sod and I’m going women’s restroom and when women aren’t looking I haven’t seen dirt under your fingernails in 12 years but there’s still some there and it smells funny I can bet you that I I yeah it’s some sort of hormonal thing it’s not that we smell badass is that we don’t smell good let’s just put it that was just guys in a room over time he gets bad but girls in room over time it doesn’t get are you saying that by speaking of the smell of women’s restrooms that women’s poop doesn’t stink is that what you’re getting at cleaning Western I’m beginning to develop a sincere inquiry in Korea can say that worked I live with I am in wiring into whether or not women’s food stinks you live with a woman I do not go in and when she’s pooping because if it doesn’t this really where this conversation is gone are we doing this again I are we having it’s just so pathetic man did we do this in like in one of the first episodes was there like bathroom humor there always is I wouldn’t call this bathroom humor I would just call that bathroom talk I’d call it pathetic I’m sorry for I know there those of you out there who have an aversion about sensation every if you’re above it if you’re above it you must be some sort of alien that’s all I gotta say I live with two women and and there are times when they rival anything I’ve ever put out okay let’s get into this conversation that we have with Freddie and in case you don’t happen to know it already guy is a YouTube power he’s got over 6.5 million subscribers on his YouTube channel that he shares with his friend Brandon that’s the Freddie W channel you didn’t want to say brain his last name I don’t know how to say like I mean he’s got a lot of RAM and lat shut a lot of valves it has 80s C and H altogether so if you say that phonetically it’s lat there’s no way that’s how you’re supposed to say it so latch let’s just call him Brandon they just completed the second season of the narrative series video game high school you’ve probably heard of it it’s got you know bazillions of views and it’s it’s narrative so it’s it’s breaking some ground on the YouTube space it is in my opinion and we broke some Brown today with mr. Freddie Wong here it is our conversation with him so you found this place I mean it could be kind of shady but we turned on the yellow light oh yeah I’m a yellow light was on I was like okay one bit yeah I found it okay it’s a mysterious location it’s purposeful it’s almost it’s almost as I would say even like nice Pete’s all is he still in that recording studio it’s a house yeah it was random like huh you hmm okay this is nice that’s what you’re going with I mean is up but that’s also like similar stealth mode you know they never you never find that well you don’t want to put a sign up right I mean no but it looks like a freaking house he’s like a house we did make the mistake although one time of putting up a sign because we had some we had some people coming for interviews mm-hmm and at this location yeah yeah and so we put up a little sign on the front because there’s no indicator that we’re here and it was like rhett and Link studios we came up with a new so temporary name rincon rincon lat and we put it up for about 30 minutes and in that 30 minute window a family a dad and two kids came knocking no way man and did you give him the job or yeah we we gave the kid we charged them for photos you know if I thing is and I’ll tell you what the complete opposite of that mentality is is the this madman rob dyrdek rob dyrdek has the fantasy factory very close to where we were downtown and it’s like well I wonder where it is cuz you know we’re doing a shoot with them and we we know it has to be around here has to be we’ve seen these you know the videos like it’s just like this area has to be right and then we’re like where is that we got Google Maps and there’s one street in the entirety of that area next to us that’s completely not Google mapped out like that’s got to be it like who why would this one Street not be mapped out when every other Street is we go there sure enough it is but he has his name on the side of the buildings dyrdek enterprises so he went through the trouble Blackey now Google Maps but yeah last name and what’s crazy as we go in and it’s like every time we were doing it it could tech scout or just you know check the space out or talk to him every time we came out without fail three or four people holding signs being like Rob Rob it’s Robin there hey hey hey yeah you know if I’m mr. dyrdek goes in there and everybody was pitching him business ideas like they had like I got this crazy this dude was there with like this bizarre by clicking the track contraption he’s like I got this unicycle bike man and I think Rob would just dig it dude and it’s like oh he’s pitching me you yeah and what’s crazy is because I think it’s because there’s a couple of shows it’s like he’s all about like yo man take the crazy ideas that you have and turn it into you know like that’s like a unicycle gotta come in no he’s just as like those people out there man I don’t even send him my way crazy no telling to sit outside our door on the unicycle and the unicycle you mean the unicycle guy I thought you met Rob no I was like it was a double unicycle thing that’s called a bicycle yeah it was well mother was was both but here’s what was there’s both wheel sets or independent so you could like turn them and do like the tightest radius two turns you could there’s two wheels right next to each other no no two wheels in the bicycle formation but both had independent torque ability torsional ability so it’d be I could bicycle but both if the handlebar side was on if the handlebars work on both sides hmm so you could do like crazy it’s like a hook and ladder firetruck it steers from both ends yeah right I have a story about that by the way one of the funniest stories that we’ve ever had okay are we going yeah yeah this is it oh this is it yeah times good times do you have a story about a hook and ladder five shot so we have been so you know okay we’ll get look at you know here’s what we’ll do okay we will get to this story just a bit teaser in order to properly contextualize a story we need go back yeah well we were gonna ask you to go back all the way to do you guys have an intro is this is it we’re on yeah we do the intro after you leave don’t try to produce our podcast we’ve got this but let’s go all the way back okay to baby Freddie okay so I uh Seattle I was born Seattle okay I was born in a neighborhood called Normandy Park and Normandy Park is notable for two things as far as I’m concerned retirement homes and churches and that’s it and that’s all that we had there and that’s what sort of had we lived in a cul-de-sac and so who did you grow up with a little cul-de-sac I grew up with my brother my younger brother Jimmy who was like a year and a half younger than me and a small smorgasbord of neighborhood kids and we would you need to be behind seek they be street hockey less street hockey cuz it’s cold sack right we need the cul-de-sac for street hockey you can have an eraser sack and you play street hockey nope you missed out too dangerous no he lives on one now right now is their street hockey going on no run but you could introduce you could introduce it man you could be like darn it yeah you could be the cool dude on this end yeah hey kids my PVC pipe what is the puck for street hockey it’s a it’s a it’s a puck that has three spherical balls in it to elevate it a little bit and give it free of this and less of relapse roll off the ground yeah exactly or in a pinch tennis ball yep so street hockey was the thing on our street and I was the goalie although as the goalie which looking back now because all the other kids were playing with her older than me like three or four years older than me looking back now I was the one that’s getting the bum deal at the time it seemed like a cool thing oh yeah it was like yeah they need this and he’s a goalie man like they did I’m the one stopping the puck in there and then I realized oh they needed someone you were the target how was the target yeah exactly but I will say it was a hell of a goalie street hockey goalie that’s good I’m not gonna not gonna step back from that I was pretty good so okay anyway you need this you need the cul-de-sac for street hockey as otherwise too much too many through too much through traffic is ridiculous you guys stop the game every 30 seconds playing a game you know so that was the thing we even run around summertime growing up you know school’s just around that area if you have both your parents growing up had both my folks my dad and my mom dad a anesthesiologist so a sleep doctor and he worked at the hospital which was like five minutes from my house was really close it was fine soaps so basically he was really good at counting backwards yeah and never did it and I mean it had to be frustrating being an anesthesia they never get down to one you know start with 10 right yeah yeah you start with 10 and so I was like I bet you there’s a pool going on and then in the operating room well medicine lingo there I can take a mid nine like that doctors a full-on nine and a half doctor back from him yeah there’s there’s the most boring show most boring medical show ever about anesthesiologists a bunch of guys sitting there looking at heart monitors and being like think would you adjust the dosage for this guy let’s kick it up a little bit all right yeah he’s a hefty guy yeah but that’s it let’s bite his finger see what happens you know and the funny thing about so the fighting about growing up so my folks are both from China originally so they emigrated here in the they are Chinese they are full Chinese yes so I’m first I don’t know what is a my first generation their 0th generation I’m first generation Chinese technically yeah and when they went to Seattle is interesting for people who know sorce al geography they were looking at places to get a house and to settle down and they looked at two places one is Normandy Park by virtue of the fact that nobody has ever heard of Normandy Park even in Seattle you know that they did pick the wrong choice because the other place which was like really cheap and like maybe we should go here was this place called Mercer Island and Mercer Island is in the middle of Lake Washington and in the time since I think the property values on bursar al has probably like quadrupled quintupled because it’s like literally every rich Microsoft exactly was like that’s where my house will be so it’s like Bill Gates house Mercer Island oh yeah all the crazy rich like people in Seattle all the tech guys came they all came and they just like bought up all of Mercer Island the first place to get cable internet in the United States Mercer Island and cable Internet by the way when they showed up this has been jumping all over the place which is fine but when I first showed up my friend Barry lived on Mercer Island and he had cable internet he came in the school one day he was like guys here is this this is like probably 7th grade 6th grade for me so what do you mean when you first showed up when he capable Internet you mean oh it first showed up Mary got it Barry got it first you’ve been there I’ve been there we were here dialing up 56k DSL DSL was huge you kidding 35 kilobytes down are you kidding are you kidding he comes in he’s like fluff hey man won’t cut your internet DSL man 35 kilobytes down I can get any real player stream I want and he goes dude I got this Internet it goes through your TV and it’s 500 kilobytes out I’m like shut up Barry you liar you liar Barret and then what then the next week when my friends was like dude that was that Barry’s house he’s not lying man Barry was great and then he was also the guy who first saw the matrix when it came out and he was like guys guys there’s this movie you got to see it’s about it’s rated R so you got to tell your parents to let you in but it’s like about bees it’s a second world and there’s like telephone lines what shut up Barry this sounds like the dumbest movie ever is no I’m not kidding then the next week we all go work that was amazing how dare he was an advanced kid but in your mind’s eye futurist he was like every single week he would have said he was like Benny and I think every school had this but he was the kid that was like laser five bucks each kid there’s a guy we had been Greenwood growing up he was the guy who you’re like okay this is before the internet for us this is before the Internet this is like when you wanted to learn something you had to looking encyclopedia or the library and he knew everything I’m like how do you know all this stuff yeah there’s always a berry there’s always a bin and you gotta have him as a friend you have to oh he was and he was the guy that uh yeah he knew his uh dudes acoustic guitar it’s where it’s at boom like he was like yo get it the ladies Dave Matthews mixtape check it you know it’s like whoa damn then was the thing Greenwood was the type of guy who would go over to his house and he would have this grand scheme let’s hike out miles behind my back yard and let’s dam up the creek back there to create a fishing pond it’s gonna take a few days but we can do it so we would dam up the creek and then he would go and catch fish from a pond and we would bring them and we would put them into the creeks every night for a couple of days we would have a fishing pond until the dam broke he always smoked these things called big Jordan George because this weed that we found out in the woods that had a big it was just a hollow shaft and he was like ideally suited for this activity we should smoke these and they would put anything in the show you just light it you know of course we should this is six sixth grade right and it was pretty weird we had a guy like that too we so so I grew up so him went to high school I went to you know great school whatever you know just hung around high school I went to this super duper preppy ass rich kid High School which was all the way on the other side of where Seattle awesome but weren’t you one of those – it’s not compared to some of my classmates and so what were they you know I have and tell me if I’m wrong about this shirt what the impression that I’ve gotten from first-generation Asian Americans is yes is that there are these especially your dad being anesthesiologist there are these excellent pressure oh yeah yeah no absolutely did that exist in your household so here’s is really here’s what I think it’s kind of interesting and my brother and I have a have amongst my peers of sort of unique experience growing up which is we had that at first and then over time our parents kind of rapidly figured out that that’s not the way to do it so when I was like was it like starting so what started like I did piano lessons I’m wicked at classical piano I will I’m that Asian kid who will be like yo hide in Beethoven sonatas sitting there 12 years old I have no anxiety when I get on stage or if I’m from a group of people and I think that was completely pounded out of me from being like all right dude it’s time to play piano you better you’ve been practicing for hours a day on this this this Prelude and Fugue you better nail it there’s three judges here who are Bach experts you know and it’s like everyone’s listening they’ll screw this up through this stuff like that kind of performance anxiety so to speak from an early age anything every Asian kind of gets a little bit of that so so we the piano lessons and you know it was and and I think they kind of slowly they figured it out they’re like you know what because that’s our play I was like mom I don’t like you know I was in high school so I don’t want to play piano anymore like I don’t want to keep practicing what am I gonna be am I gonna be a professional piano player like what what’s the end goal here right and she said no you’re not gonna be a professional piano player you’re not good enough number one and then number two which is like well we wanted to instill an appreciation of music and and she’s like one day you’re gonna thank me for that and she’s right you know like having being able to understand music from from that level it’s one of those things where it’s like dang I here’s what it is looking back on it now as a 20 or 28 year old adult quote a male it’s you don’t remember sitting at in front of the piano for two hours a day and summer and being like I want to play video games you don’t remember that at all it’s just like a wisp of memory and you’re in the back your head what you do remember is the end result of that and that is like wow I know I can appreciate music in a different way and I can pick up an instrument really quickly now and I understand this and I understand all these sort of things from music I forgot all the crap leading up to it but right now I’m in this island of memory where I don’t remember that but I have all the advantages from it it’s similar also to I think people who’d like their parents put them through like gymnastics or dance because it’s like I have a friend of mine who he be his periscope through like three years of gymnastics and he’s like this is emasculating and it’s just horrible but la dude’s ripped now you don’t need to do crap you’re just like hey I just want to lose some weight ripped instantly it’s like dang that’s like gymnastic that’s perfect this is becoming borderline motivational okay so so that was kind of the internal pressure room but only led up somewhat of an externally gross not really you know because it was you know I was I was in a area that was it was not a lot of it wasn’t okay to use the asian term it wasn’t a fabi area right so Fabi is fresh off the boat and so there are areas that are like is very fabi quote-unquote you know it’s like oh these guys it’s very insular community wise you sort of retain a lot of this sort of cultural aspects from you didn’t really see that there’s only I can think of maybe a couple neighborhoods in Seattle it’s more prevalent down Southern California actually you know when you talk about like a hombro or places like that was like that this a little more insular so it wasn’t like that so we come we’re just very much Americanized very quickly did you have a did you have a I want to be a so-and-so when I grow up its back in high school or earlier well early on the thing that I was I was convinced I was going towards was computer programming because I was like a total computer nerd and my dad’s a computer nerd too and he would we got like we first computers like the at the Apple to see on a five inch 5 and a half inch floppy disk and I was like messing around on the basic on the to see and using the dual floppy disk drives and stuff and I remember all that stuff and and that was kind of like the directions like I’m I think it’s gotta be it’s gotta be videos ever start up it’s gotta be programming it’s got a computer stuff you know that’s kind of direction that my inclinations were going towards and even in high school even high school yeah cuz that’s where you weren’t you were kind of wall so so so I went to a high school with a really interesting group of people and it was a very frou-frou as I said sort of college preppy high schools called lakeside and lakeside known for our most specifically known for Bill Gates was the guy who went there and Lakeside’s where Bill Gates met Paul Allen and they started the little computer club that started like literally the seed of Microsoft is there and then I like to point out Adam West went to uh went to Lakeside and Vanna White so to sort of mavens of Industry Vanna White yeah we’re good Vanna White is from Myrtle Beach yes Linna I don’t know this is the maybe she didn’t this is something that is has been in my head everybody said as I famous alum I’m not sure we’re not calling you I mean you know I mean you could be right you go to Myrtle Beach a trip after Seattle or high schools in America try to claim Vanna White everywhere by the way can we just talk for a second about how her job has been down she does even turned those letters screen of enabled things like come on it I don’t even think it’s like when I am pedestrian to something at the computer here I don’t touch the screen because I don’t like to get my fingerprints on it I think they’ve even told her we want you to look like you’re touching the letter so it’s all tonight Foley yeah there’s actually touch them there’s a guy on a computer he’s covering for her to get close to it and then he’s hitting a button oh my she doesn’t even have to be there at all that’s a pretty heavy that’s pretty heavy I gotta say if you really think about that in terms of like looking back at your life it’s like now I just I don’t even actuate these buttons a man does that from behind the scenes but we but we love you for it Vanna she’s listening she’s a big fan we appreciate all that you do come on Freddie work with us here sorry no this the poster behind the door on the way and okay I just it’s signed I see that now so excuse me sorry about that so the lakeside lakeside Lakeview lakeside lakeside yeah and it’s uh it so it has this a reputation and it was like it was like it was a kind of weird hardcore school and came to academics and and all that stuff is very very notoriously difficult to get into the kids all went through and there had a reputation I had the fortunate sort of thing of my class was a so class size about 100 1112 people my class was all really interesting people and it was like the kind of thing where I think like even the teachers like made a note of that I remember when we were graduating and even this back now like your class was weird because I I think pretty much everybody in that class was just friends with each other like there was no cliques there was no like there were groups of people hung out but it wasn’t just like oh yeah I don’t like that guys like no she’s like yeah he’s cool everyone was kind just cool with each other we just kind of did our thing so it was at Lakeside I started off doing computer stuff I’ve actually good story about that I was working in making websites internally at the lakeside school and I made one for the Parents Association ok Parents Association kinda like the PTA right and they needed an update on their website and so I’m gonna do that so February 14th rolls around better this will give you an idea of where I was socially before the movie thing happens while talking about them and we’ll get to that in a second so Valentine’s Day Valentine’s it working on the high school website yeah people for the Parents Association its we all have y’all cubby holes at this at the school low mailbox and there’s there’s a one that they call them candy grams aka you could purchase through some student organization couple bucks get a little Valentine thing put deliver to a person of your choosing yeah in the whole I had one that year I was like oh my gosh who is this you received one I received one I saw it from across the hallway this little thing sticking out I was wrong last letter to the name bottom right corner there it is Mike oh my goodness previous years it seemed it was according to precedent that this would be this is a unprecedented event in every definition of that work so I go to my hole right over that I do not dear Freddie thanks for helping on the website the parents from the parents from everyone yeah that’s a good twist it is and then and so so end of sophomore year and the freshman year the iMac came out and the iMac was a big thing about the iMac remember was it could take mini DV and edit mini DV and iMovie so in this little like different colors it was different colors had the blue one in this little class thing and this little class thing that we had it was like you know five or six people it was just a bunch of students just doing helping out with the IT side of the school so what the class was so that’s how I was doing the Parents Association website so the iMac came out and we had a camera and my friend Reid and I were like well let’s just kind of mess around with this camera and just shoot something stupid look who’s come for like a class assignment and this was a time and I think this is still the case but if you do a video for a class assignment welcome to instant a territory lay oh yeah yes like like the teachers are so blown away by the fact that you have combined image and sound in a moving form right like it’s a just you only have the feeling to think about it they know it’s on tape they just literally put an A on the tape they have no context to judge it right it’s impossible to give anything less than an a because just the sheer effort there anyway so that’s the trick still works I think to this day but we did it was like it was a class product for a Chinese class it was like we shot this ridiculous little action piece movie like I’m sneaking into a thing everybody wanted you to be in their group for that one I guess no no this is this is actually just on our own almost it wasn’t actually it was kind of thing we’re just I don’t even remember the details but we’re just messing around you know and so we shot this little thing I’m you know all over the school and it’s got like it’s like me sneaking arounds got like the freaking Metal Gear Solid music and stuff like again nerd territory ladies and gentleman and we decided to do just like a little hey we got this done five minutes long we added together iMovie let’s let’s do a little thing let’s put it out and and do a little screening in the library the library had a lot aureum we did the other year I’m like whoa a lot of people show up for this I think we packed the place at 250 kids just show up to watch it and people were like losing it that was really funny and sometimes like so my friend reading they’re like let’s do a feature-length movie if he was a junior I was a sophomore let’s do it let’s do a feature-length movie and we’ll do it kind of off this original little thing we called it the boo Hal movie which was in Chinese visitors for a Chinese class project it means the not good movie and what are you shooting on to this at this point it is shooting on a what is it it’s like it’s a mini DV or a high oh no it’s a digital 8’o digital a fattie camera with wide angle adaptor bought from eBay for $35 which is a princely sum at the time ready to drop on something like that and so we’re like okay let’s let’s do it so that was like I shifted from doing the wanting to be a computer programmer to movies is really interesting to me and like movies is actually something that I really enjoyed doing during that year like I really enjoyed that process that trying to get people together to do something ridiculous in front of a camera and then trying to just get all these pieces together and putting it out and seeing people react to it so for the rest of my high school we were doing just you know little short videos and stuff some of which by the way exist on our channel to this day it’s just like little high school things like I did one where one night we sleep over a friend’s house and we’re like hey it was 3:00 I’m like hey let’s let’s put cardboard all over your Volvo like sedan and make it look like a racing car so we put like side skirts like I think like rice rocket so like front hood scoop spoiler we went to his laser jet printer and print out a bunch of fake like logo like brand names and stuff and like taped them on like this ridiculous let’s make a video out of it and we did we made like a quick video we’re just driving around at night we got pulled over by the cops and and and the cop was like he came up and he was like well I was gonna write you a ticket because your side skirts need to be higher than the rim of your wheels but I mean it’s cardboard what do you guys so can I ask you what you’re doing at 3:00 in the morning driving this thing around and my buddy smooth-talker was like well you know we’ve doing this for a school project and we figured if we drove it around during the day it would be a little more distracting and the guy was just like all right good ride that school project thing a long ways until you get great here oh yeah you can oh that guy I still have my student ID in my car are you kidding I go the movie theorum like um I got the student discount graduate student it’s cuz as far as I’m concerned that’s like that’s like come on man like you gotta get your tuition back somehow like one three dollar discount at a time one half one small popcorn with every a small drink purchase at a time we’re getting that student discount pack okay so you’re in high school you make this discovery that you you you like filmmaking yeah and then you begin to put together a the idea that maybe this is something bigger than a hobby yeah absolutely and at the time was like doing a little short videos and stuff and you know the funny thing is I always think that what I think about a lot is the idea of timing you know and and I was reading you know like a Gladwell even talks about this you know where he wears like Bill Gates and Paul Allen and Steve Jobs and and and Bill Pope and like all these like computer pioneers they’re all like within two years of each other in terms of age because when the technology hit they were the right age to take advantage of it to not be too entrenched in a career otherwise and not be too young to be late to the party like they’re just the right age and I think about that a lot with like YouTube because what we were doing that you’re messing around you know doing these little assembly videos like I would I would do little videos for like the soccer team or the rowing team or something to be a little fun like literally what I end up doing which is like short kind of visual effects II two-minute videos we play in an assembly and that was the only Avenue we had we put that in assembly that’d be it and I think about now where it’s like you have YouTube and it’s like these kit you see kids who are like rock stars in their schools like these guys play video games and they got call duty commentator and then I’m buying the Mercedes with this and that make more money than my parents and here’s me with girls it’s like what what no what that’s not come on come on right so I think about that I’m like and I think about now sort of my time you know in timing in terms of where I am right now I was like what is it feels very much like this is the just right in terms of timing you know just the right time for we’re at where there was video and there was a thing and I got familiar with it and it was it was the idea of it was there and if YouTube was around in high school you know maybe that was even would have been a better sort of time for us but feels like it may be a little late to it but I was kind of doing something similar in high school and I didn’t even realize it and until later until looking back now it’s just doing that I was doing a lot of what a lot of these high school kids got into and have gone into YouTube from back in high school but I was there was nothing to put it there’s nowhere to put hell outlet no outlet for it parents respond to that and so this is this is what I think I have to give a lock rats my parents were there like cool if you want to do this go for it that was it there’s no you know and I think it was the kind of thing where like my dad reads a lot of Businessweek and and Wall Street Journal he does a lot of thinking having come from Communist China to adopt a new home here in the US he thinks a lot about like where is the u.s. going and what is this place that I’m in and how you know and then obviously he has he’s very strong her political beliefs but his but his thing has always been look America is not theirs what do we have that we’re doing like what car manufactures what India and China’s are gonna do that physical manufacturer India and China and programming and he’s he I think recognized kind of Hebe recognize at the end of my high school he was like look I think you’re getting into the right field because the only thing America is gonna have is cultural exports that’s the only thing we have our you have the music industry you have Hollywood that’s it like what else is there that we do that in some other country is not hungry or for and can do it cheaper than us and we’ll do it cheaper than us so there’s nothing like that that’s it like Hollywood movies still have that stamp around the world music still has that stamp it’s as export our chief export is cultural products so he’s like I think you’re actually getting into a field where cuz he was like if you were doing in programming he called this like literally five years before this happens and you get into programming you’re gonna have a hard time getting a job cuz look at India look at China all these kids are growing up and they’re gonna be better programmers gonna do it cheaper and they’re just gonna be willing to and they’re gonna work harder for it than you because you you’re in this environment where you have someone say enhance so many things handed to you instead nice environment compared to China or India mmm-hmm so that’s a little different than the conversation that I had with my dad because our our story is pretty similar in that we work well and the conversation with your dad I’ll let you tell it but it it was a hinge point for both of our lives because for me it was what we we both talked about going to film school and it basically came down to what rets dad thought because I knew that my mom would just say okay whatever whatever you want to do but read dad had we had to get buy-in we were shooting on just to give you a little this is a little bit of the indicator of the difference in our future we were shooting on a VHS si oh yeah so and just for just for reference vhs-c hi eight digital eight that’s sort of that was the timeline right so we were shooting on that we had begun to shoot a feature-length film in high school gutless wonders which we’ve read the script on good mythical morning late last season but so we had these aspirations I’m sure that what we were creating was not as impressive as what you were creating at the time but it was difficult you had to edit on to VCR no I’m saying again that’s timing right like right if it wasn’t for that because I remember I remember like early on my dad got like this thing called The Matrix 1000 I’d lose the matrix 1000 which was the first Mac card that could do 640 by 360 or six-pointed by 480 DV not DV sorry high 8 capture off of s-video there was no digital stuff not but when I told my dad I was like link and I have decided that we want to go to film school yeah and he was like well that’s great I’m not gonna pay for it he says but if you want if you want to do something the more you’ll actually get a job then at Danelle I’ll pay for it so that’s why we both have engineering degrees you’re good you’re good at math yeah that’s what our counselor in high school said and I do think what you see what you’re saying with timings plays such a huge role in it because by the time we had we’re linking our kind of slow developers in a lot of ways I think we kind of discovered late bloomers like gosh but by the time we got to a place what we were making could work on in the YouTube space that we had hair on parts of my body you didn’t even know about when we were young man well I’m glad I didn’t know yeah that’s true I’m glad you didn’t know either so anyway you’re grateful you’re grateful took free to your dad for having that foresight now yeah for my for both my parents you know and I think I think that yeah for the sort of Asian thing if we want to get sort of racial and kind of pontificate on that for a little bit it’s kind of an interesting place that we operate in society you know we are in terms of like the minorities we’re not high up on the list you know comparatively to like a history african-americans are statistically it just percentage-wise higher part of the country but there’s this sort of weird thing that we do and the thing that we do is we keep our heads down and we just kind of do our and we don’t bother other people and we kind of just do it and that’s kind of like this attitude that I see a lot in terms of you know it’s doctors lawyers dances like hey just keep your head down get good grades get the job you know family just provide for it and very non-intrusive it’s not like it’s only relatively recently you ever hear about like oh he’s an American protest about something and it’s like and who are this usually you know it’s the Berkeley kids almost always as Berkeley kids like you know but it’s just like this it’s not thing you just never hear about that sort of side of it we just sort of kept out of it you know and I think it’s interesting and I think it has its Reaper cussed in kind of interesting ways in American society in terms of what that role is you know we can go forever on this is a whole separate pocket but anyway the point is it’s really and to me it’s really interesting because it’s because it I think the family structure encourages Asians to kind of like stay out of the spotlight you know and I think for a number of historical reasons or a lot reasons that makes sense but I think that’s just sort of the way that it’s it’s been you know so so when I said hey I wanna make movies it’s very much like boom I want you to entertain I want to do this and you know at the time I had no idea about you had no idea that this was how it would end up but it’s a very big difference between doing that and wanting to just be like hey I can play piano and I’d like to be a doctor please you know uh-huh so that was so that was so what the USC I went to I went to University Southern California because supposedly was the better film school and you know that was that and so that I went there I met a lot of the people I work with today there and just a Bin’s we’re working on that stuff ever since from that point and you met that’s where you met Brandon yep met Brandon there your roommate he and I lived on the same floor I met Brandon there our floor is an interesting floor so I’m praying there I met Brian firenzi there who is the creator of 5 second films com it yeah everyone I Matt Arnold who co-creator of a geek in high school with me I’ve got a writer des dolly also a co-founder or rocketjump with me he and I were all three of those guys we were all in the same practical special effects class like the first thing he took everyone that was like a practical VFX class and we were all in that same class and then only by the way only like until I clay tur was like oh crap we were all in that same class even though we were all like last paired up in separate groups but we kind near each other and it was just like um yeah I guess what you get in film school is you get a group of people you’re forced to work with and that’s nice for some people who aren’t like you know total social butterflies who don’t know how to necessarily work a room and and and network around and get a whole bunch of contacts it’s like no it’s nice to be able to be an environment which there are no stakes because you’re supposedly learning things and you get to mess around and you have a bunch of people now upon graduation that you can collaborate with and you and you essentially are living proof that you know that deciding to put your stuff out there for an audience is that’s a strategy that works it works for you yeah and so so how did that how did that transition take place okay so so after graduation you know the first gig I got was doing freelance editing at this horrible horrible startup I have no problem saying that the boss was crazy dude was a crazy who’s a Yeller and everyone’s kind of scared of him and they made inspirational short films and this is a funny way of ironic yeah I know right and here’s their model by the way and this is insane not not too far removed from the reality but here was them he was a model if they did it was like a fun there’s the things that they were trying they’re like alright this film is free for you to watch but you send it to a friend they have to pay a dollar where is it cuz 30 cents they’re your friend they’re more likely to pay ya what so I literally left that after like 30 days forget this place you gotta charge your friends to watch it you crazy yeah oh my gosh and then I worked at 20 Century Fox in the video license video game division which is to say that the crappy video games efficient cuz licensed games are all horrible and and so how long were you there how did that I was there for about a year and right when the housing crisis happened was when I quit because I heard word from Brandon that a couple of his friends from Minnesota were up in Vancouver and they had linked up with this sales agent who was giving them money to do a feature film for direct-to-dvd directed TV called dark island at the time was called infected but then they had to change it because there was a book series called infected and the author threatened to sue them and it was about basically a creature feature featuring the smoke monster from lost more or less that sort of like that’s our thing because they had this plug-in called fume effects that could do smoke CG smoke and it was like this is it man we could do a smoke monster so they did smoke monster so they took like I think it was 40,000 to go shoot a feature film up in the up in Vancouver and they were finished with and they’re coming to LA and they were looking for a place to stay which was eventually where where those loft the lot that you see was where they stayed and they have stayed sense and they were looking for people to help out and I was like alright I want to do movie stuff anyway this is what I want to do and I’m not doing it right now doing this video game thing although I learned quite a bit from that in terms of just how the entertainment industry and these companies work it was okay oh hey guys what do you want me to do I can do music I can do sound effects or the sound design whatever you guys need all sit down do it so that’s how I met them I remember walking in to this loft and everyone sitting at computers pounding away it’s cold because there’s no there’s no heat here at all and I was like hey I won’t quit my job and I’ll help you guys do this all right you have a keyboard like yeah all right got a board yeah keep it firm for MIDI for making the music and sound design I was hopped up on my USC sound design classes I knew how to use Pro Tools and you had to do sound design and that was it that’s how I looked up with Sam and Eco quarter digital and we made we sat there for about like eight months post doing post through this movie and we’ll everybody will be the first ammendment yeah it’s not that good of a movie was a good learning experience it was really interesting new dark island dark yeah you can torrent it too if you really want to see it so 2010 rolls around and I my friend David and I he was a hey there’s this contest to go to Vancouver you wanna you wanna go join this and and and let’s see if we can like get on this contest it’s for the for the Olympics for the Winter Olympics that Samsung’s putting on so we do it and we get picked as one of the teams again drawing upon my history of doing a little short crap you internet videos or in little short videos in high school it’s like okay yeah okay so we get onto this thing and there I met DeStorm this one was one of the other guys on it and I was like he was like I’m a YouTube partner what’s that mean is it wanna make money doing this and I was just like what how how many views do you need how many people do you have subscribe to you how long does it take before you get paid how much money can you make in a month I just drew it I just went and just info dumps and he’s just like yeah no problem just told me everything that he knew yes they just say another day another challenge yeah it was like it was crazy cuz he was like 10 stories about like just oh yeah this guy does it like this and the mic all the crap so I’m calling Brandon from Vancouver and being like hey I think we could we should do this YouTube channel thing man like I met this guy a storm and he’s like he makes a living off of it and at the time I had the option of directing a direct-to-dvd movie or doing something else and I remember I remember in October so sort of two things happen October 2009 I got flown out to Finland for Guitar Hero because if people don’t know I was like really good at guitar hero for a while and I was like I got flown around to play guitar hero yeah saying you’re really good and then you got around well you were the world champion I was for a bit according to the world series of video games and now people the Guitar Hero purists will argue that my technical ability is insufficient compared to a couple of other guys which I will not be mown than that fact however I don’t think anybody was I mean I made the point of playing it ridiculously like air guitar style like you know windmills and chests and showmanship right because I’m like this is gotta be entertaining because I’m getting style points style points so my style points are off the charts man we have to go back a little bit here because I I’m fascinated by this aspect oh yeah yes so in 2009 yeah yeah yeah which is a thousand seven world series of video games guitar who came out and Thanksgiving I remember buying it because I was reading on the forum some forum like yeah this games really cool I bought at ps2 and I was like easy easy as I am and try expert on I just played through the whole game on expert which didn’t seem weird to me at the time but apparently it’s a hard game that really unusual again this is weird this is like so everyone’s a how much time you practice Mike I just cut the piano maybe and I play a little guitar anyway so I don’t know I just don’t really I just get it I don’t mind I don’t really practice that much so do the houses so mm like six Tests and there’s like there was a 1-up calm contest for a convivial contest for the Guitar Hero 2 so that was the original Guitar Hero YYZ while I said the video on our channel which was something we did for that contest Brandon hi and that was me playing through why was he and just be able to take this with it and that was that and then there was like so the world’s hears of a game stars and I’ve been playing guitar hero too and it’s in it’s in Dallas Texas and I’m in Seattle that summer and my friends are like you gotta go to this dude you got it you could win this I’m like I don’t know man like what do you tell like dude go like it’s kind of expensive my friends is like how much is it I’ll pay you to go we’ll pull it together you pay me back if you win plus 15% but I’ll straight-up stake you in this tournament dude so I’m like alright I’ll do it so I that wasn’t interesting that was a weird dinner conversation like mom dad this weekend I was thinking of flying to Dallas to compete in a videogame competition for bright for Guitar Hero yeah the one that yep and it has like could you win this are you any good at this game I’m like I think I can win it alright go for it I think I can win this day the strings came in and in the score it was much more like I don’t give it like it was so much more like what we’re this weekend okay fine whatever who’s paying for your friends your friends are paying for you 15% okay whatever fine so I went down I went in one of the like I wasn’t one of the tournament rounds I was like one of the open rounds they picked people from the open rounds I play the heart crazy on you and I took out my sandal and like strum they just went crazy with it and everyone’s like okay I went crazy on it man and and then I won that tournament that weekend so you were a walk-on I was a walk-on man came won that tournament playing in Dallas you remember it was a less talk more rock the fries pop song of course yeah and so this is Dallas this is the World Series video games in Dallas and I could I I used that aspect I was a world champion because they called it the world series of the games and there wasn’t really a main that guitar whoo things going on at the time and that was it now so but then the world students before they got to LA we had this plan out for LA that I’m so bummed never happened because the one the tour wasn’t stops on this sort of world series tour was gonna be LA the LA leg of the tournament and it was gonna be I was like I’m gonna play Freebird and then like Brandon was gonna like lower like these like wings onto my back during the solo looked like a fog machine there’s just like ridiculous ridiculous thing planned out for the for the show but then they lost all their funding and they cancelled yeah so you got to recreate that I know right but that’s you said that was your first youtube video that was that was the first youtube video that was like yeah that was actually it was before though there was one other before that which was aces which is Brandon and myself and just screwing around in one of the practice in the in the common room and at USC and then but then the whole DeStorm conversation where it was clicking that you might can make a living doing this was after that after that yeah okay a couple years after that in fact so so so we go and when we come back and like if you look at the timestamps on the videos that we did that first week we’re doing like we’re just going crazy we’re just trying everything Twilight trailer parody Green screaming in there boom do it Final Fantasy 13 is coming out let’s make a funny video about that boom do a portal gun we’ve been wanting to a pearl gun field for a while what’s the topic this is so you could then make the case to join the partner program that you were like yes we were making the case you’re putting all the material yeah exactly this is before you could just get in now luckily at the time prior to that because of Guitar Hero I had a contact it within Google within Google YouTube because I was I went to youtube live if you did you yeah we were there yeah that’s right Francisco that’s right YouTube live San Francisco you remember we were there I don’t remember you were there I remember like you probably don’t remember remember a couple people there and I won’t name the names cuz they’re total dicks to me and then they totally have our no longer dicks to me now because of how the tides have turned but but as interesting because I wasn’t nobody I was like as a kid who activision brought onto intro Jos a tree model Kanani to play guitar I remember you yeah so I was the dude in the little corner of the weird set playing the first bits of Joe Satriani putting his song through a video game and then they threw it down to him and we were in the crowd and we’d remember that’s right I do at was so so I had a contact from YouTube there yeah so then I emailed that person when I was starting to go they hey this Parton program thing how does that work here’s a bunch of videos and uh yeah sure go for it approved you know so we actually got proved in real quick compared to some people who put a lot of time and it’s like just get disapprove the center’s there but yeah YouTube live what a weird and I and I drove back to the airport with some of the lxd folks and it was like with the kid the kid the member breakdancing kid yes he was in my car on back to the airport I’m like sup dude so uh now this was really good just to give you some perspective for people YouTube live this was 2009 I was the first YouTube organized event basically ever there have been gatherings that other people that set up but this was insane and I remember it incredibly so because here’s by the way here’s my nerd background coming back into me I remember it specifically because it was the first event that the flip HD or the flip camera was introduced at they were trying to give him a gave everybody on flip a YouTube themed flip they did not give us a flip but we so we were not to that level but we performed on the outside stage okay yeah so we were um yukl a girl who plays ukulele probably Julia yeah yeah it was yeah it was a strange thing at that time and I also had a incredibly insightful conversation by the one the most interest conversation of our had with Katy Perry’s guitarist right cuz about what Harry play because she performed right well about what does it mean to play guitar and be technically proficient at guitar but play the easiest things of all time and what was crazy is he went into this big long sort of philosophical like just discussion about like you know like cuz I’ve trained for this many layers and it’s weird because I’m getting famous for this but it’s not the kind of music I would like but the same time I can’t say a thing about it I’m making such an incredible living off of it so what and then he said he was like well you know well this is I’ve turned my sort of creative energies towards the recording process and that side of it because I’m not getting creative lococo critically fulfilled from just playing guitar you know this is just major minor chords and Barre chords it’s like it’s not difficult at all anybody could do this and I need to end on this whole thing about like what does it mean you know if what does it mean to be a guitarist if almost anybody who has picked up a guitar could do this job there’s almost no barrier like it’s not like you’re some crazy good you know you’re not you’re not freaking you know Zakk Wylde just laying it down it’s like no you’re sorry honey or Satriani right he was really interesting to hear this guy who’s like in this sort of point in his music career dealing with all these issues it’s like this is the most interesting conversation I think I’ve had in years so how does that apply to where your YouTube channel went it I don’t know if it does sell your soul for virality know your name by the way I will say this I wanted the early on we met with Ray Raylan Johnson and he said something that is I think the most interesting thing a YouTube person has said to me about this whole ridiculous thing whatever this is and he said at some point you’ll have a choice and your choice will be to give the audience your audience what they want to see or to let or to do what you want to do you have to make that choice and you have to be conscious about it and it was is really interesting because I think about that like every day I’m like this and and it’s it’s so true because at a certain point what you’re doing builds a momentum and inertia and a size and you either address it and you roll into that snowball and you give yourself to your to the people like that or you stay away from it and you continue doing what you want to do whatever that is sounds really interesting so how does that apply to to what you and Brandon were doing on the channel that obviously things started to snowball yeah yeah we started so we started you know early on we had a lot of blog attention because at the time and this is something I learned and again this is like every single thing that you do sort of like always informs the next step even as weird as it is so one thing I knew from working at Fox doing video game stuff is that video game news is very sparse nothing comes out game blogs are just always just hurting for information because when the game starts nothing to talk about until the first screenshots come out then nothing to talk about until the alpha-beta and then when it comes out and that’s that’s three years right so like for a game gets announced well I want see this game you’re not gonna see anything from that game until a year and a half from now and you’re after now you might see a little bit that another year before you see anything else and so it’s quiet around games all the time so there’s there’s so much stuff that there isn’t that isn’t out there and so early on were like you know we weren’t doing game videos like specifically but what they were game fiend and they had that sort of you know they were informed by our experiences playing games you know and it was we would draw upon the whole bunch of different games to do so so it wouldn’t just be counter-strike or or Call of Duty would be all the first-person shooters we ever played would kind of fill into it you know so we started getting a lot of attention from game blocks because these guys are hurting for content they have no confident they come in every day like well what can we say about all these games well nothing’s coming out well hey here’s a video that’s kind of games themes all right we can do that so early on like that was a lot of our attention lava or traffic was coming from outside of YouTube you know and I remember a lot of the conventional wisdom around YouTube by the time was people were saying like hey if you uh it’s YouTube’s for mostly girls man all girls me I’m 70/30 female female female female everyone say that and we’re like really because I bet you it’s more like 50/50 because it’s a giant site why would it be so skewed towards women and like nah man all the people who subscribed girls and so I think you know we found a new sort of we began to find a new audience that and that has continued even though I think to this day with the with the prevalence of sort of PewDiePie and his gaming channels we found a more at male audience and we started when we were saying people like are our demographics are like ninety ten male female and be like no no no no no way no way nobody could believe it then what really and I was thought it was funny because gang into YouTube was I always felt like if we went to somebody’s YouTube parties or back when people were sort of more closely knit and had parties to throw in the over someone’s house and I was like Brandon this feels like high school again it feels like high school but the difference is every single person in this room has a number above their head and that number is how popular they are whether or not they’re more popular than you and that dictates how you treat them how weird is this it was it was weird and unsettling because I think there’s a sort of weird there was a sort of weird attitude towards whatever this thing is that we do or it’s like holy holy can’t believe we’re doing this I can’t believe I’m making money off of doing this this could just Piron any time I better hang on to all I can and to me that’s a remarkably short side the way of looking at things it’s like that’s not that’s not I don’t think it’s that’s okay so you have to understand you know in a larger context our thing that that makes sense so so early on like we were we were you know getting some you know blog attention slowly and surely and I remember specifically a Phil one of the first big boost came from Phil DeFranco when he posted about or you know pushed his people towards a video that we did called chrono trigger which is one of the first action videos that we did you know and it was a gunplay video effects slo-mo and he put fuel to that and a lot of people you know talking to them that’s where they sort of was the first entry point and that first year was a very sort of fruitful year we did a shortly after that we did a vehicle flower warfare and that was like pretty much any girl I talked to it’s the video that they know from hearts because it has was my favorite yes so that was our entry point interesting yeah and it’s to me it’s always interesting where people got it got again again in on and then that the first VidCon happened and even at that what the time the first VidCon happened we had a breakout panel which was just talking about visual effects and it was like maybe half full like a side room half full and we were nobodies still at that time you know I remember and I remember specifically my where where are we in this spectrum of things when they were interviewing Phil on stage of VidCon for the first one and he mentioned our channel and it was like it’s like three people in the back like okay all right yeah no we know where we stand we don’t understand it’s interesting though and then I get always shifts which is always you know kind of intersting but the focus for this has always been at least four you know it’s it’s been filmmaking you know I went to film school I was doing movies in high school it’s just it’s filmmaking its storytellers visual storytelling what’s fascinating about YouTube is that it’s not everybody on here it has that same focus or has that same goal you know in the end the ecosystem supports it just fine but that doesn’t mean that somebody on here is necessarily someone who’s trying to do narrative storytelling you know they may be trying to do something else and they may find success in doing that but you know I don’t look at PewDiePie and say this is a guy who wants to make films I see this is a guy who understands gaming videos and does this really well and I see vlogging no different than the skill to me vlogging is the modern equivalent of the talk radio DJ who can sit in front of a microphone and just talk for an hour and a half and entertain you through it like that’s Howard Stern that’s you know like that ability is no different than the ability to take a camera and point at yourself and make a story out of your day to day life you know whatever that is I see a lot of similarities in that and that it’s a single person point source broadcast against that sort of thing and there’s these analogues to sort of older media but here’s the difference and here’s what we struggle with every day you know so at rocketjump the coming that I have now it’s that while all these skill sets are diverse and all these things are different they are treated the same by everybody by regular sort of like the layperson it’s the same thing oh we make youtube videos that’s not true though I make YouTube views but my my stuff isn’t is different than gaming stuff it would be like putting Howard Stern Tom Cruise and you know the Weinstein brothers in a room and maybe and Katy Perry maybe you guys are just you guys are media creators that’s it it’s like well everybody is different here you know they do different things right but there’s no delineation in terms of the understanding of that so when they go to people you saw you say what do you do is I God make youtube videos in their head that we make yeah and what you’ve obviously I mean with video game high school that you’ve obviously moved way beyond what you were doing with it with the short yea action videos which got an audience and now you’ve taken that you treated that audience into a narrative story so isn’t that the point that Ray was talking about with you where you’re gonna do make that choice is that the choice so I think it is I think it is and for for myself I I can verify this with I do not like the idea of like oh you’re such a puppet master you knew what you’re doing from the beginning is like we had an idea we had goals that we had set but I remember very distinctly in Finland when I got flown out in Finland in 2000 like 8 2009 for a Guitar Hero drunkenly calling a friend of mine who’s a producer and being like I don’t think we should do this direct-to-dvd movie I think I need to do something online and I think that you need to grow an audience online first and then make something for that audience later but the first part is you need an audience to do it because it’s the same idea in my hands like it’s the same thing it’s like if a tree falls in the forest and nobody’s around to see how rad it was that you chopped down this freaking tree then nobody’s gonna know that you chopped this freaking awesome tree down and it also doesn’t make a sound so you need to get a bunch of people around you for your woodworking skills first then you can chop down trees it’s kind of like the mentality when you’ve been drinking a very intense and sleepy it goes it’s a cliff it’s like intensive death all right so you gotta bring us back to the absolute ladder fire truck you know okay so the plane here we go so in anyway so YouTube we got going on that and that was that and you know lived with salmon eco for a while then brand I moved over to the different part of the same building then you know we’re living in different parts of the city now anyway it’s Brandon’s birthday and we have always talked about these hook-and-ladder trust like the guy in the back steers right yeah yeah but like he could just swing that back out all the way right and the front wouldn’t see it yeah he’s completed in depends not locked in on right okay theoretically you should be able if the guy in the back swings the back out okay you’re in a bad situation but then he quickly adjusts his wheels parallel to the road and the guy in the front quickly adjusts his wheels parallel to the road so now all the wheels are facing impression you can make it look like this fire trucks drifting and it could go non-stop you drift four lanes across the road I’m like yeah but I don’t know it’s we’ve always talked about uh Sam you come brand that will always be her eyes that we’re like how would you do it well you have to coordinate it’d be a timing thing that guys have to turn right really hard we have the whole thing planned out they are wearing comms and they are wearing comms too so we had this like just idea for awhile and then one day the day before Brandon’s birthday we smell smoke and like with and it’s from from our neighbor’s place I’m gonna pound the door nothing call we try and to be fair we try everything we try called landlord landlord tries to call their cell phone nothing nothing it smells like smoke fire alarms are going off in there side of thing I’m like should we call the fire department probably probably yeah we should call fire farce were there for yeah exactly right and like both and we’re like well that’s that’s quick to cost/benefit if we don’t call the fire department it could be nothing or the whole building could burn down okay let’s call the fire department it’s a coal fire department there’s a fire department right nearby they’re like there and like a minute flat they roll in and they but they straight up ax that door down and it took him a while to so we’re like if anyone ever is gonna break in it’s gonna take them at least a minute of hard axe-throwing turns out the neighbors like left a hard-boiled egg boiling and then the water boil away and it caused a little mini fire there that was it nothing real dangerous the only egg fire real big fire yeah everyone’s everyone’s had one of those not a big deal so these firefighters we had so from earlier that year at e3 we stole a bunch of nos energy drink from these nos energy guys because they were like going there cleaning up their booth and when they had just cases in cases so I filled up my my station wagon with I think 200 cases of nos so it’s like like a stack that was taller than you and and it was just non-stop nos for a while so we were giving them to the firefighter like yeah oh hey how’s it going you guys want some energy and the guys like all right awesome all right so we had this theory come here we have the stick we start drying it out like if you swing the back end out and do this you could drift the fire truck and the guy was like yeah I guess you could they let and then as they were leaving we’re standing in the middle of the road it’s sunset it’s LA blazing red and orange this fire truck leaving the scene we see the back end swing out now and we see the wheels correct and the fire truck drifts down our road and we we were jumping up and down in like high-fiving it was the greatest day of my life that is unbelievable and it was all made even that much more vivid because you’re all hyped up on energy drink oh yeah oh yeah every pupil completely dilated you can’t even see straight and it’s just like they did it they drifted the fire truck well on that note you should sign the table thank you for joining this absolutely on ear biscuits all right so let me see here let’s see right here well you know here’s what I’ll do I will draw the diagram that we were using to illustrate how a drifting firetruck could conceivably work can you give some sound design to the drawing here boom all right thanks Freddy thanks very much guys thanks for having me on and there you have it our conversation with Freddy W I’m gonna be thinking about that fire truck thing for quite a bit of time I yeah I I have thought about that I’ve thought about how you could do whole circles while going in the same direction well I thought what he was gonna say is that if the back starts to turn out and doesn’t stop it will get ahead of the front right will that happen and then you can keep going follow momentum and make it into a circle that’s what I was thinking I think that will happen but neither one of us are capable of making it into a realistic video that illustrates it he has the power to do that but how do you think how easy is it to come across like an old fire truck like you can buy an old school bus I know people who’ve bought old school buses and you can buy old police cars why can’t we get hold of an old fire truck and just own it and drive it around you sometimes you get the front sometimes I get the front I think the reason is because the investment is not justified I mean there’s I mean we could also put out fires with it like we’re a private fire brigade that we have like a need to get we have a ham radio we like tap into police frequencies show up with our hook-and-ladder like we’re here you can get really high we could probably come up with other things to do with a ladder that tell you man bucket brigade well we want to thank Freddy W for showing up I think he’s listening back to this curious buddy you’re a beautiful man thank you for listening we’re gonna be doing this next week in the meantime check out Freddy’s work at youtube.com slash Freddy W and also stay safe this week stay safe stay out of trouble stay away from fire trucks and cuddle up next to your significant other if you have one of those and co-op next to some sort of blanket or pillow if you don’t have one wait you’re ending this like it like that radio DJ like giving people some instructions I like leaving people with something that they can take action on cuddle up next to someone and we’ll see it next week or you both you’ll hear our voices yet [Music] [Music]