Welcome to Ear Biscuits, the podcast where two lifelong friends talk about life for a long time. I’m Rhett and I’m link this week at the round table of Dim Lighting. Boy, are we happy that you’re here? We’re gonna have some fun listening to some calls from you and trying to sort it out. I think there might be a, it might be a really funny voicemail that we’re gonna hear today. I’d like to believe that link. Um, wonderful. How you feeling Episode two. You feeling good? Season two, episode two is out. That’s the reason it felt good because I think exactly that. Uh, I mean, you’re not supposed to have favorites. You’re not supposed to have, have favorites, but I think this is my favorite episode. Uh, well, you did write it. Uh, well, I mean we all contributed to, but, but this, we all kind of conceptualized all of ’em. This one is, this one was very personal. Yeah. And it, uh, I don’t know. I think it explores, we’ve never comedically explored what we comedically explored. We’ve seriously explored our spiritual stuff before. Yeah. But some, a lot of times it gets too serious. And, uh, I like the idea of it being a silly exploration of it, and we had never figured out a way to do that. But, uh, this, we, we figured it out. I think we figured it out and, uh, we convinced Rainn Wilson to be a part of it. And, uh, that that was fun. And, um, so yeah. Hope you, hope you enjoy that one. We, I can’t remember exactly what we titled it, but we visited One Star Hotels on the Retina Link YouTube channel. You won’t know by looking at the title and the thumbnail that it’s about spiritual stuff. That’s what Wonder Hall’s all about. And our experience is friends. Yes. Going through that. Yes. Um, every Sunday on the Rent Link channel, it’s wonderful. Sunday afternoon. Of course, mythical society members get to see it early and a free on Wednesdays. Yeah, they do. They’re seeing Wednesday, so yeah, they do. We’re reading all those comments over there as well as on YouTube. Let us know if you’re, if you’re liking this stuff, be sure to share it. Uh, ’cause we’re going against the grain on YouTube with these episodes. Mm-hmm. Let’s hear your voice. I’m sorry. I’m listening to a podcast from you guys right now and you just skimmed over. Red was waiting for link at a gay bar. He didn’t show up because he got in a fight with some Muppets. I’m sorry that you gotta wrap back around to that one and tell that story please, and thank you. Great question. This is one of those stories that we never told. I don’t, I think we’ve hinted at it and then somewhere we’ve told pieces of it. I thought we told, maybe we’ve just told it to people. Maybe it’s never been, I don’t think we’ve told the full story. Why didn’t we tell the story? Because you don’t want to offend Sesame Street. You, you don’t want to get pulled over on Sesame Street. I didn’t offend Sesame Street. So let the record show. I don’t, well, let me rephrase that. You don’t want to publicly offend Sesame Street, and I don’t think you’re going to after privately offending some resident of Sesame Street. Um, but okay. Whatever. I’ll, you know, so I can, I can give the context of the story and then you can begin telling it when it becomes what you are experiencing. But this is when we were on tour for the Good Mythical tour last year. We were in Atlanta. We had a break in the middle of our tour for like four days where me along with the rest of the mythical crew stayed in Atlanta. Link went back because Lando was graduating from eighth grade college, whatever. He graduated from eighth grade and you were coming back that night and your flight was getting in and we didn’t know exactly when you were gonna be there. But we had made the decision to go sing karaoke. At a bar. Yes. A gay bar. And, uh, I don’t, I’ve had a couple of experiences at gay bars, but what I learned is that gay bars are like the most accepting places in the world, and they welcome everyone. You don’t have to be gay to go. And car karaoke tends to be a place where you want to perform in an accepting and inclusive environment. There you go. And so, I think it, uh, they, they go well together, but in flip flops with your toes up, I, it was hot in Atlanta. Jenny, you were there, right? It was hot in Atlanta and I was like, you know what? I’m putting my flip flops on with jeans like I used to. Me and Bradley Cooper. Apparently it’s a thing. And uh, I am gonna go to this gay bar and. Yes, I’m going to perform Lady in Red even though maybe no one there is interested in Ladies in Red. Um, and I’m going to sing this song and yes, did I kill it? Yes, I did. Um, but we knew that we wanted you to join us when you were getting in. In fact, they went ahead and put a song in for you so you would be in the mix. And that song was, man, I Feel Like A Woman by Shania Twain. Everyone was so excited. Link is gonna show up at this place. Lincoln is gonna show up and it’s gonna, time is gonna be perfect, man. I feel like a woman at this gay bar and it’s gonna be great. And that’s when, well, you texted me, I, or, or I texted you and I was like, Hey, we’re waiting for you. And you were like, I’m on my way, I’m on my way. We, yeah, we were in touch. I don’t text on a plane. I don’t fly private text on a plane. And even if you some you can, you can text on a plane now. Depending, you just got wifi, it didn’t, depending if they give you the wifi, but I don’t do that. So even if it wasn’t available when I landed, um, in Atlanta, I got my bags and I was getting in the Uber and all that jazz, and then taking the drive back to the hotel all along the way. Well, right when I landed, I was getting texts that this is what we’re doing. You’re gonna meet up with us, us. I’m like, yeah, yeah, I’ll meet up with you. Sounds good. And then like I was getting updates from different people. We are leaving dinner wherever you were, and now we’re going to the bar. Well, you didn’t go to this bar. Now we’re at this bar and we’re doing karaoke. So I’m getting all this information. Yeah. And I’m getting antsy. I’m like, man, fomo out to wazoo. Yeah, we had a great meal. I was great meal that night. Really feeling Was that when we, the place all the gun shows I was missing out. Yeah. Yeah. And then we saw Emily’s show that night too. Oh, we saw Emily do standup comedy. Yeah. Yes. It was so fun. Fun. And I was hearing about all of this, either catching up or then kind of in real time it was like, now meet us here. Well now I was like, well, I just landed. I gotta go to the, I gotta go back to the hotel first and I’m gonna get a change of clothes and, and they’re like, well now meet us here. Now is here. And I’m like, damn, I’m missing everything. And so I’m antsy and I’m getting up to the room and I’m walking down the hallway with my bag and stuff and I’m gonna go and I’m like, well, I feel like I need to shower. You know, and I’m thinking all this stuff. And then I hear. Laughter and commotion out of a, coming from the hallway, coming from a room. And as I pass my room’s like two doors down to the left. You ain’t even showered yet. You were thinking about showering. I didn’t. I was thinking, I was thinking all this. You were thinking too much. And um, I heard you laughing and I’m like, I stopped. I literally stopped cold in the hallway, just like, and I just immediately was mad. I was like, this, you know what, it’s is, been lying to me. They’re in there, yucking it up, having a good old time. And they’ve been, they’re trying to send me on a wild goose chase out to some gay bar who we’ll send him to a gay bar to, and he’ll show up and he’ll be, and we won’t be there. And so I go up to the door and I knock, not softly. And then I’m like, okay, don’t be mad. Just play it. Cool. It said, you know, be a good sport. So then I’m like, housekeeping. Yeah, there you go. Good sport. And then all of, and of course it’s night. Housekeepers don’t, you know, it’s like y’all, y’all know it’s me. At this point, it was probably 11:00 PM Just to give you a context of what time it was. Yeah. That ain’t, that ain’t early. It’s for a housekeeper to start knocking. That ain’t early. And um, when I knocked on the door, it opened a little bit and the laughter and the commotion just went totally quiet. I mean. You could, you could hear a hotel shampoo bottle drop. So I knock on the door again, even though there’s a crack in it now, and I’m like, double down, housekeeping. And then you double down. And then there’s like some sort of like negotiate type, like whispering happening, and I’m like thinking, yeah, y’all failed. I figured it out. And I’m like, and so then I’m, I’m feeling good about myself and I’m grinning from ear to ear and the door opens and there’s a woman like seven inches from my face just standing there. And I have never met her before. And I, and I’m like. How does Rhett know her? Who is this? Oh, oh, you, you still, still not questioning yourself. Still not questioning yourself. And um, she looks at me with this shock on her face. She’s like, and it, at first it was like, this is not a housekeeper and this is, and who is this guy? And then it was the second level of shock. And she’s like, link, she recognized me. And I’m like, uh, and then I look over her shoulder and I see people in there, quiet people now, and I’m like, uh, is red in there? She’s like, no, she, and then she’s like, guys, it’s linked from middle corner. They’re like, what? That is it? And then I hear her saying like, it’s a, it’s a internet. I’m a big fan. It’s a sh Well, it’s a show. You know what you, she’s having you ever heard? No one knows she’s having to. And I’m, oh man, I was, it seems as if I was a bit wrong. And then she comes back, she turns back around and she’s like, come in. And I’m like, okay. And I’m like, well, I was like, what y’all doing in here? She’s, and um, I saw that there was some drinks. They had drinks. Did you, did you, is there, did you explain your side of the story to them? I said, she said, come in. And I said, well, lemme go put my bag down. So I go into my room, I put my bag down. And then I, I come back and I’m like, okay, this is a party. She knows me. Meanwhile, multiple texts are coming from your friends. Well, your work friends. Well, I, I kind of felt, I kind of felt like y’all were lying to me, so I wasn’t really, and you weren’t. But I, you still like, you know how I know that I have pranked you on the show, but I, I don’t, hold on. Listen, man. Prank people just for the, for the hell of it. Well, you, I’ll prank you to see it happen on camera. Well, I didn’t, I knew that you hadn’t pranked me, but I still felt like you had, you know how when you ha you, when you’re dreaming and then you wake up from the dream and you’re like, oh, it’s just a dream. And then you go about your morning and you have this feel, you feel the experience of the dream or nightmare. So you were mad at us because you thought that we were pranking you. Yeah. I, I still had the emotion within me of frustration. So I was in no hurry to get to your thing. I didn’t think you were at. And I’m like, here’s an adventure. I’m going in here and I’ve, I’ve got a friendly face. Yeah. That’s all it takes. So I go in and, um, there’s three other guys and there was a bigger guy who’s laugh, sounded like yours. Okay. It wasn’t me. And, um, they give me a, a beverage and I find out that this is not really a, well, they’re sitting around, they’re like, what are you, what are you, what are y’all doing? And they’re like, well, we had our first show today. And they pointed to the big man and said, uh, he’s giving us feedback on our show. We are the live, we are the stage show for Sesame Street. And. He has come down here to, as a consultant, to give us feedback on our characterizations of the characters that everybody knows and loves. You know, Grover Elmo. So this is like Sesame Street on stage that you can go and see. Yeah. Um, and turns out Big Man was, um, Elmo’s dad, and I was like, oh, I didn’t know Elmo had a dad. And uh, I think that might have deflated him a little bit. Yeah, because that’s the, that’s what he does. Yeah. Yeah. I don’t, I’ve never heard of your character. I never seen it. And then he really hasn’t registered with me. And then he’s like, we were, I was like, they, he was like, well, they did a great job. And, but we were just discu, we were just having a discussion about, um, children’s entertainment and puppetry and how that has an impact on each of our lives. And I’m like. What is this like a support group? Oh, boy. So I’m like, so I’m sitting down, they have no idea having my beverage, no idea. And they’re like, who they are dealing with? They’re like, so what about you? And I’m like, well, I’m more of a Mr. Rogers man. I don’t, you know, and he did have puppets, but they were kind of, I don’t know if the hands went up the ass of those puppets. And so it’s like, I’m just kinda, I’m just kind of freewheeling it. Yeah, it sounds that way. And um, uh, the best way that I can describe it is over the course of my interaction with them, uh, my relationship with the big man was deteriorating. Deteriorating, yeah. I don’t think it ever was very robust because, I mean, I was trying to engage with them about. The different characters. And so I’m asking what to me are like genuinely curious questions. I’m like, try, they’re trying to plumb the depths of children’s entertainment. I can do that. So I’m like, when two puppets have sex, is that why there’s different color puppets Muppets on Sesame Street because of the interbreeding of the characters? And, uh, I mean, I just, you know, it’s like, it’s an honest question. And I, since I have audience with like, he, he’s flown in here to like, he knows this stuff and he knows what’s Canon and what isn’t. I’m like, well, Howard Muppet’s made and there’s a, they’re colorful, you know, and I wasn’t try, I was like, I’m, I don’t think I was trying to play the race card. I was trying to just play the sexy card, you know? And. Sex card. Okay. I was just, yes, I guess I was trying to get sexy with Sesame Street, but we had, I think we had already had our interaction with Cookie Monster on the show, which I did tell them. Hmm. And what we discovered with the people with their hands all up in his ass is that they are super cool people who, um, were, they had an edge, don’t you remember the Cookie Monster people? The professional puppeteers? They had an edge, well, uh, as, and their comedy. And their sense of humor in interpersonal interactions with us on set was edgy. And I remember noting that. So I think well weren’t, yeah, well they, ’cause they were talking to adults, they weren’t talking to children when they Well, were interacting. Exactly. Yeah. So I think that’s what was in the back of my mind. So when I was talking to ’em, um, I accessed that. And so at first I was like, I’m, y’all come with me to karaoke. And then by the end it was like, I’ll get outta your hair. You know? That’s how the energy shifted over the course of 40, 45 minutes of me hanging out with him. Right. And um, and, and by the way, that 45 minutes was the window of time in which we had all decided to leave and go home and go. Yeah. ’cause I’m like, all right guys, I’m coming right now. And they’re like, don’t come, we’re we’re leaving. I’m like, what? You ain’t even left the, you had just gotten into the Uber, but back up for a second. So I. How do you, I mean, how do you feel about this now? Well, I’ll just caution anyone who pregames on a plane, you know, I’m not blaming it on that, but I was a little loose Okay. Around the edges. Okay. Okay. All right. That helps explain some things. Um, but do you think it, like, do you think that we have, I mean, are we ever gonna work with Sesame Street again? Because let me just say, um, the other thing that you did was when we had the opportunity to work with Elmo one time and he didn’t show up because he had something else going on, you really, you really pitched a fit about that. Well, I was, and then we made a, we went and made a video at South by where the only thing we talked about was how upset you were at Elmo. Um, and I recently saw a clip of that come out somewhere, but it, I don’t think they, it was completely unrelated to the 90% of the content, which was you being upset with Elmo. They didn’t put any of that out. They just put another question that we answered. Yeah. From that, from that interview time. So I just feel like you’ve burned our Sesame Street Bridge. How on earth are we going to get there? We gonna arrive up at Sesame Street, wet and cold. ’cause we have forwarded the river. Uh, yeah, I think I Is that how you get to Sesame Street? Can you tell me, I don’t know how you get there, but we can sing a song about it. Yeah, I think maybe I have rt, I think I’ve burned our bridge. Um, especially now that you, you got me to talk about it. I’m just, they were, they were taking their craft very serious. I, I just felt like it was a bit self serious. But it wasn’t any of my business. And I intruded, I literally intruded and then self commandeered, hold on. Self serious. They literally had just done the first night of their show and the guy who is like in charge of giving them pointers is like in their hotel room together. Like, that’s like us doing our show and then getting together to talk about it at the, and then somebody shows up and we’re talking about what we just did and then calling that self serious. Yeah, I think it’s just, that was the, I’m okay. That was the focus of, uh, you’re right. Of the night night for them. You’re right, you’re right, you’re right. And you know what, Elmo’s dad, I’m sorry. It was, it was cool to meet you and I misinterpreted the vibes and I injected a different vibe. Hmm. And you shouldn’t have had to try to match that, which I think you knew. And I, and I eventually found, I, I could pick up on the fact you, I mean, it’s not like he kicked me on the, in the butt and said, get outta here. But, um, we may have lost a fan at, I don’t know. Don’t remember. Yeah. The woman who, the woman who was, I don’t know. 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That’s growth therapy.com/ear growth therapy.com/ear. Availability and coverage varied by state and insurance plan. Lady in red, yo red and link. This is Colton and I am blind. I’ve been watching you for years and I don’t actually know what you guys look like, but I have an idea link. You just look like the most dad bogg guy on the planet with like your jeans, your flannel t-shirt, your super bulky, nerdy square eyeglasses. But then for some reason, I feel like you have your hair super slicked back because you think it makes you look cool than red. You’re just like a slightly less hairy Chewbacca. You don’t, but sorry, I don’t mean to laugh that hard in my bad. Slightly less hairy Chewbacca. Okay, so you’re right about me. We nailed that man. Um, I’m a what? First of all, dad bod. Well, kind of. Well, no, you, a not, not in the classic dad box sense. You don’t, you don’t have a dad Bo Yeah. Okay. Okay. I, I feel you ask you. I feel like you could, and I, again, I, uh, this is interesting, um, because you could probably just type in Google, like, what does Link Neal look like? Let’s, let’s, let’s do that or just do the, if you wanna do the AI version of that, but let me step through what he said. He said My pants were what? Jeans. My jeans were big. Just said like, dad bought in your jeans and my jeans with a flannel shirt. A flannel shirt. And then boxy glasses. Boxy glasses. And my hair slick back. Yes. Boxy glasses and my hair slick back. Maybe this is the next version of me. I don’t know. Wonder why you would think that all of that. Context clues. I mean, ’cause he figured out that red looked like a Chewbacca. I mean that, I mean maybe there’s context clues. We do talk about our hair, but we haven’t described ourselves. Yeah. I feel like with the slicked back hair, it’s interesting because you guys talk about how your hair goes up, right? Slicked back. Yeah. You would think infers downish, but maybe like he’s thinking like Italian slick back back. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This way. Yes. Like it doesn’t describe, and it just gives the height and stuff like that. So it doesn’t give like a, an interesting, the hair goes like this and, and all that. Um, well you know what, stick with that for rhet for me. I would like for you to start picturing me as more of a, um, you know what? I’m good with it too. I. Oh, you don’t wanna change it. I’m good with it because, you know, you picture somebody when you hear a voice and you’ve never seen them. Right. Or if you’re like reading a book with characters and then you see the movie and you’re like, oh, that’s who they cast to do that, huh? Right. Of course I don’t read enough books to get disappointed in stuff like that. Slick backed hair. It’s a choice. I didn’t know that Timothy Shaima was like, who I pictured for, uh, or whatever his name is. I can’t say that, you know, from Dune. Um, but I’m okay with it. Yeah. I think it was less, this is what they pictured him more like, can we get Timothy Shamima to play this role? Yeah. Um, maybe we should, should we tell him how, how we picture him looking? Because we haven’t seen him either. I picture you. Okay. Yeah. Blind fan, whose name is Colton? Colton. Colton, I picture you as, um, you’re wearing a, a cream color tank top jorts right at the knee, socks half calf, um, some sort of sandal. You got one of them. Dope ass blind man sticks in your hand. And, uh, sunglasses that are, uh, mirrored, mirrored aviators. Fedora. Of course not. Yeah. That would kind of throw that look off if you had a fedora. Incidentally, I am picturing, I think, I think Beanie, I am picturing a guy I green, green beanie in a trench coat based on the way that the way that he was, he was kind of down in is like coming to this alley. And let tell you what I think you would look like, uh, you’re doing dirty man. I’m just saying he has a gravelly voice. I was think it’s a gravelly voice, you know, like, I think, uh, yep. So I was picturing a fedora, a trench coat, and a fedora. I was, I was picturing Carmen San Diego, the male version of Carmen San Diego. Well, you’re talking about Blind Inspector Gadget, maybe a little Inspector Gadget. There you go. Thanks for your question, your comment. Colton, if you are blind and you’ve been picturing us, call us, please. I want to hear more of this and I wanna know if it’s consistent, like we need to get some more data points here from our blind listeners. 1 8 8, 8. Ear podd one. Thank you for sharing that. Hey, what’s up Brett Link, Jenna, crew. Uh, this is a match from Houston, Texas. I’m listening to y’all’s two birthday party, ear biscuit, and I was just thinking about all the times y’all bring up friend groups. You think of Mike in y’all’s opinion, what makes a good friend group? What are the dos, what are the don’ts? What type of personalities do you want? What type of egos I hear about Mike? I always think is that science, Mike, any uh, clarity on that would be much appreciated. Thanks, y’all. You trying to get personal info about our friend group, but we’ve made I, but no, we’re not hiding that. We’ve made it clear. Yeah. The mike is science Mike. Yeah. Um, who doesn’t really, he, you know, just he’s Mike McCarrick, that’s who he is. I mean, he was science Mike. He’s not doing the science Mike thing anymore. Yeah. Um, he’s thriving behind the scenes. Yeah. And, uh, yeah. Okay. So this is a good question because I do think that you don’t want too much uniformity in a friend group. Yeah. Yeah. If you want to, if you want it to be interesting. Now, if you want it to be a long term thing, I think you’re basically talking about a pretty low drama Yeah. Group of people where no one is uh, yeah. To. I would say too mean or too sensitive or too controlling. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Um, but they can make it interesting, but probably not a long term thing. So if you’re looking for a good solid friend group, you want a group that can get together in their pajamas. You want a group that you can get together, spur a moment, and no one needs to change whatever they were, whatever they looked like. It’s like, Hey, can we, y’all, y’all wanna come over? And then you just come over. It’s like you don’t have to change anything unless you’re naked, because you do need one person in your friend group to constantly insist that it’s not gonna become a naked party. And we do have that. We do have one person in our group who is afraid that somehow that’s gonna happen. I’m not gonna name any names. It ain’t gonna happen. We don’t want a naked party. It’s like, no. So as long as you’re wearing clothes. It does happen in this town though. It happens in this town, right. But it’s not gonna happen on our watch. No. I mean, this friend group is, um, is a couple’s friend group. So you’ve got, you know, you got that variety happening. I think that, so it’s really, it’s really, I mean, diversity, we’re, we love diversity across the board. I will, I say that’s really good for a friend group. I think a group gender orientation and which you name it, which it does it become crunchier smooth peanut butter. Okay, we hear you. You get it. Uh, I think what you don’t want, okay, so my experience being from the south and also being from the church, um, is that there tends to be. It’s men and women. It’s like every group just ends up becoming like the guys are gonna go talk to, to each other and the women separately. And it just like, and there’s a lot of, there’s a lot of things about the way that the, the, the kinds of churches that we come from and we came up through that everything was geared to make sure that there’s things for women and there’s things for men, including men, the leadership roles, um, right. Uh, not something that we are proud to have been a part of, but I think that one of the cool things about our current friend group is that it, the conversation online do, are not split, they’re not gender split. In the way that those, those old groups were where it would be like, ’cause again, in, in those, like in the, in the church situation, it was like if somebody was having a one-on-one conversation with someone, like a guy from one couple was having a conversation with another woman, it would be like, what’s going on there? Everything was so like, hyper, um, everything became so scandalized in a way that it never should have been because of this weird view of things. I, I don’t, I don’t know. And, but I enjoy that about our group because I’ll just be catching up with somebody in the group and it’s not just, oh, just another one of the husbands, or we are, all of a sudden we’re in different groups and we’ve divided up and we’re having conversations that this conversation is for men. This conversation is for women. Mm-hmm. So I think that that is a, um. That’s a plus, because what happens when you’ve got those like bifurcated groups is that you better make sure that all the guys get along and all the girls also get along, and they’re all good friends and they’re all good friends, and now you’ve got two dynamics happening at the same time versus like a bigger group dynamic. Yeah. Where it’s not just about how well these, because the other thing that happens, it’s like sometimes all the husbands are really good friends and the wives tolerate each other or vice versa. Yeah. That’s what ends up happening in those really gender specific groups. It, I mean, I mean, it just happens practically anyway. A lot of times. I don’t think it’s necessarily a church thing, so I’m grateful for the, the, the friend group we have, I mean there’s like, you know, you’ve got the three of us couples and then you start to. There, there’s, there’s more people added depending on the, you know, the event or Right. Like the, the invite list can, can swell a little bit. So there’s like, I think that’s nice. Jenna, do you have a friend group or do you just have friends? Um, I’d say mostly just friends. Yeah. Okay. It’s not so much a group. I have like groups of, like, I have separate like group thread conversations. Mm-hmm. But yeah, I’d say it would be a multiple friend group situation. And do you get together with that, like that text group? Do you make plans to get together? Yeah. So then that’s, and we’re talking like four people or more? Yes. Okay. So you do that. Mm-hmm. Um, what, what’s necessary for you? In my friend group? Yeah. What makes a good friend? Uh, I said pajamas. Mine, uh, mine are kind of split up in, in interests and things we like doing together. Mm-hmm. So I have a friend group that’s, we all met, um, at Universal and we’ve just become the universal friend group, but like, I see them as a group, not just universal. Like I’ve been invited to both, to two separate weddings from that group. And, uh, another friend group is like from back when I was in acting class, and that’s like a group of four other girls and we check in and get together a few times a year for like brunch and catch up on our lives. So, yeah, I think it’s just, it’s fun chit chat. I, there’s a couple of practical things. Somebody who can make drinks, um Right. Somebody who. Multiple people who can cook or know how to put together a good charcuterie. We, we got charcuterie out the wazoo in our group, out the coer, but, and, um, we will have a charcuterie that is just over the top. Incredible. Now, it might have chicken nuggets in the middle of it, but it’s got a lot of stuff on it. Uhhuh, um, somebody who can, uh, somebody who, you don’t necessarily have to have a dj. We have a DJ in our group. His name is, uh, dj, all kind of snuggle baby. That’s right. But somebody who’s good at, uh, selecting music for a party, I think, you know, you have to have somebody who could do that. I think. Um, and I, and I mean, in my estimation, you have to have people who are, if they’re not doing interesting things, they are thinking about interesting things because. That’s what I like to do, is I like to talk about interesting things and so not, and I don’t mean like just talking about, ’cause a lot of times you, they’re just talking about people, like talk about other pe I don’t, talking about other people. It’s just like, it gets old and then, um, talking about the exact same things that everybody else is talking about, like complaining about what’s going on politically or whatever. It’s like you need your friends to, to be able to commiserate, you know, about those kinds of things. But I think we have enough people who are like, I’m doing this interesting thing and now I’m giving you this update on it. And it’s like, whoa, okay, I’m, tell me more about that. Or, I just finished this book. Let me tell you about that. I think that that’s a big part of it, but maybe gen generally conversationalist. Yeah, they’re conversationalist. I’ll add some. They, they, they want, they wanna talk. I think you need. A planner, you need somebody who’s gonna rally everybody to get together. You know, I think about our college buddies group and HARM is like, Hey, we gotta get onto this. We gotta, we gotta get on this planning. Yep. We gotta, we gotta book this, we gotta get these reservations. You know, it’s like, let’s, let’s, let’s put pen to paper, let’s put plans to spreadsheets or whatever. That type of stuff. It’s like the organizer Yep. I think is very important. Um, maybe somebody with first aid knowledge if something goes wrong. Somebody who knows. CPR. Yep. Yep. Somebody who’s got one of those things that can suck. Something in yours, in your throat, right outta it. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Not so puss. Someone who knows the hy, like somebody who can suck puss. All right. You don’t need someone in your group who is ob obsessed with popping zits on other people’s bodies. No. Like, that’s not what I was going for. I don’t know, maybe I’m, maybe I’m married to one of those people, but that’s not a requirement for a friend group. I’m just gonna go ahead and tell you that. Um, I think it’s good to have a tall person. Good. I’m a tall guy, you know, it’s nice to have you up there. Mm-hmm. Um, and also, also it’s cool to have a car person and you kind of know that, Hey, can I, can I ride around in your car? Yeah. Multiple cars would be nice. One of the things that, oh, oh, I got one. I’m sorry. I can’t, I just can’t. Alright. It’s good to have a, a, a person. With a vacation home. Right. Okay. Well, yeah. Hey, I got a nice vacation home, and if you bother me enough about it, I will be guilted into inviting you at least once a year. That’s a hard thing to come by. We don’t have that. That’s a hard thing to come by. I mean, I got a friend with a cabin. Have I stayed in it? No. Well, it’s on the other side of the country. It’s on the other side of the country. Well, what I was going to say was not vacation home. That feels like a bit of a steep requirement, but, uh, multiple, like, you can go to multiple people’s places in your group and you kind of know the type of thing that’s going to happen there, right? Hmm. So, for instance, uh, me and Jesse, like the thing, the thing that you’re gonna get at our house is first of all, you’re gonna get a lot of food. You’re gonna get too much food. You’re going to go home with food because we have, so there’s something wrong with us where like, I don’t know. Yeah. Like if we don’t have twice as much food as people are gonna eat, then. We feel like we failed. And so you’re the doggy bag house. The doggy bag. Like we will make so much damn food. And it’s, I don’t know why we keep overestimating, but we will give you a lot to eat, but we will also probably, uh, have an activity. Mm-hmm. You a lot of times a party game, like we tend to be the game. Like I don’t think we play games at anybody else’s house, like Jesse and I are the game house, right. So, um, which also I like as well. I like, but you, you, you don’t wanna do that every time because some people don’t like games. Some people are like, I don’t wanna put, I don’t wanna be put on the spot. I don’t wanna, I’m not competitive or whatever. Um, but I think most of our, pretty much everybody in our group is happy to participate because. It’s a really easy, it’s an easy group. No one’s no one’s. It’s a no judgment zone. Right? Yeah. You gonna step through the rest of the people in the group and what they do? Well, I think you want some, like, it’d be nice. It’s nice if somebody’s got like a good place to watch a movie. I think that kind of applies to multiple people. Yeah. Yeah. You need a good experience. Somebody’s gotta have a big TV experience. Somebody’s gotta have a big tv. Yeah. You know, and I’m, I, I’ll make more of the party, the party destination. Right. Um, I’m trying to think of any other friend groups because if you think, if you start, we’ve covered it. If you start taking those things away, like again, back to the, to answer the question, this is the, this is the service that we’re trying to do. Like, if nobody in your group’s got any idea how to put food out for people, like, if it’s just, just like, uh, right. If everybody’s drawn a blank. Yeah. Ugh. Somebody’s gotta figure the food out. Somebody’s gotta figure the music out and somebody’s gotta figure out the entertainment and you gotta, and like, they gotta be in to figuring that stuff out. I think. I, I think, um, and then you gotta plan to get together. I’m gonna add lighting to that. Lighting is important. You gotta understand, someone needs to understand the lighting. Yeah. Tends to be too bright in a lot of places. Yeah. Yeah. You wanna, you want to hang out and you want it to be, you don’t want the big light on. This is a general thing. I think everybody’s house don’t be mixing the temperatures of different bulbs. You listen, we’ve been down this path. Everybody’s fixed it for us. You think so? Yes. I don’t know, man. I go to a lot of people’s houses and they don’t get on your soapbox. I, I, I, this one for you. You got daylight bulbs up on the ceiling and they got Yeah. Warm lights else. Go all warm. Go all warm, and every light fixture in your entire house, even the bathroom. You want daylight. Go outside during the day. Yeah. Come on now. Get next one. Hi, Rhet Lincoln Mythical crew. My name’s Chrisy McDonald, and I hear you have something going on about guessing where somebody’s accent is from. So I’d like to give you a couple minutes and see if you can guess where mine is from. Oh, well that wasn’t a couple of minutes. She’s so, so she needs Can you do it again? Can you play it again? Mm-hmm. I’d like. Hi, Rhett Lincoln, mythical crew. My name’s Chrisy McDonald and I hear you have something going on about guessing where somebody’s accent is from. So I’d like to give you a couple minutes and see if you can guess where mine is from. Okay. About, so she’s got, gotta Canada, so that’s too easy. Uh, what is the Canada? That is right above Minnesota. So like if you’re in Minnesota and you cross the border, what uh, province are you in? Can somebody look that up on a map for me? Montreal? Um, no, that’s further north. I think Montreal’s a city right above. It’s in Quebec though. Uh right. It’s like Minnesota is right in between Manitoba and Ontario. She’s from Manitoba. She’s from Manitoba. Oh, what’s the city in, in Manitoba that I would know about? Do you think She could just be Winnipeg? She’s from Winnipeg. Manitoba Canada. That’s not too far from the border, I don’t think either. Mm-hmm. That’s my, that’s my guess. I, I was gonna guess North Dakota, which is right on that area. So I, North Dakota. I feel like she might be American. Just close to the, the border. She said a boat. Yeah. Really quickly. Uhhuh. But I did, I guess it can bleed over up there. Does it bleed over? I guess it bleeds over. ’cause it could be, I was gonna say Minnesota is what, but it wasn’t strong Minnesota. Mm-hmm. You better not say Alabama. Okay, let’s find out Manitoba. I’m actually from Prince Edward, Edward Island, Canada. Hope you have a good day by pronounce. So where is that? Is that East Coast? Prince Edward Island? I believe so. No idea. Is that like Yeah, you got that above. Oh yes. That is right above Nova Scotia. Yeah. Well that’s North. North. So she’s northeast. She’s closest to Maine, so that is Nova Scotia. Yes, man. We weren’t too far off though. I mean, but Well, yeah, Canada, we were, the provinces are so big though. We were, that’s like saying somebody’s from No, it’s not, there’s, it’s not like saying like, well she’s from Wisconsin and Maine is the same. It’s different once you go, once you cross that border. Everything. Less people, everything gets bigger. If the people got, what if the people got as big as their provinces to our states? Those would be some giant Canadians. Yeah. I don’t think that’s how it works at Canada actually. I think we might, it might be the opposite. That’d be wild dude. Giant nice people. Uh, I like the ring of that, but we got the right country. We got the right country, I would say. I think she would appreciate the distance. It’s not too far off, I would say. Yeah. Okay. Well, I, I bet you she ain’t complaining about it. You know, it’s just not in the blood. She lives on island. That sounds cool. Yeah. Until you need to get something that’s not on the island. Yeah, I think it’s a pretty big island. Never been. Well, okay. Maybe she has a vacation home. Yeah, but you need a friend with a vacation home. Yeah, I bet she doesn’t have the new Nintendo switch. Oh yeah. Have they made it to Prince Edward Island? Oh, it’s a big island. It’s so big. I take it back. It’s like a steak. Got the switch. It’s like a state size island. They’ve tossed them over to your island. Let’s hear another hey written link. Big fan. Your podcast has helped me a lot and helped me think more deeply about the world, so thank you guys for that. I got a kind of philosophical question that I’ve been wrestling with and I’d love to hear your guys’ take. When it comes to someone’s actions, what do you guys think is more important? Intent or impact? Like if someone means well but causes harm, or means harm, but ends up doing good in somehow, how do you weigh those things? And I, I know there’s like a lot of nuance there and to that question, I just was wondering what you guys personally think. I know it plays into German versus Western philosophy and a lot of different other things. Just kind of wanted to hear what your guys’ thoughts on that and so thank you. Well, thanks for tipping me off to the German versus Western philosophy. I mean, it’s like, I, I can’t say that I was thinking that until you brought it up, but now, uh, yeah, I definitely think, um, you know, there’s merits to both ways of thinking about this, uh, in German or as, as a cowboy. Uh, that’s right. Uhhuh. So, uh, yep. I’m really gonna state that I’m on the record. That’s funny. Intent versus impact. Impact. The thing that resonates with me is, I mean, first of all, like, bless your heart. It’s like what’s in there does matter. You know, your intent, ma, both matter, but I think. I relate to somebody who’s has, is well intentioned. Yeah. When you went into that hotel room, you were so well intentioned. Yeah. I was like, I’m gonna see my friends. You were mad at us though. You were mad. Yeah. You were mad at us. Yeah. You were going in with a gotcha. I was, I was well intentioned to bust y’all. And I took that energy into complete stranger’s quorum. And I, I, I busted it open in there. So that’s not a good example, but there are lots of times when I might, some things might go sideways, but I did mean well. He means well, he means well. I hear people saying that sometimes when I’m done with something and so I, I’m sympathetic. Uh, to me it really what it, they, the reason it’s so complex is because the intent is a reflection on the intend. Right. The person who caused whatever harm and the impact is a measure of how that action affected the person who was harmed. Mm-hmm. And so that’s why we have manslaughter charges, for example. So it’s like, okay, well I didn’t mean, yeah, that’s a good point. I didn’t mean to kill you, you know, run you over when you were in my driveway, or whatever happens, but you’re dead now. And the loss to that family is the exact same. The damage, or if I accidentally break your arm, if I break your arm on purpose or accidentally break your arm, your experience is exactly the same. Right. And so the way we recognize that in the law is usually there is recompense. You know, you want this person to be paid back and to be, you want there to be restitution for what happened to them, but the punishment for that is different if you meant to do it, which, so I think that the law reflects the complexity here, but this is probably more a question around, I, I don’t know. I think that we, you know, we come from a slightly different, we’re older than most of the people who, who, who, listen, we have a lot of people our age as well. But like there is a generational thing here where I think we come from a generation where. We like to say, well, he meant well. Like he didn’t mean to say like he came into this situation, he came into this conversation and he said this word and this word is a no-no word that you don’t say whatever that word might be. Uh, but he didn’t know. He didn’t know. ’cause he’s ignorant, he hasn’t been educated or whatever. Yeah. And then people are like, well it’s had the same impact as if he did mean it. Um, and so, and, and I think that the, uh, both of those things are real, but I think an older generation likes to talk a little bit more about intent in my observations that younger generation tends to be more interested in impact almost to the degree where. Intention doesn’t matter. And what will end up happening is somebody who accidentally says something out of ignorance and someone who says something motivated by hate. Those people are put into the exact same box, and they’re kind of, there’s a, there’s a very broad brush that they’re painted with. And I think that, my opinion is that that does a real disservice to actually just the way humans work and the fact that what do you actually want? You want people to change. So you want somebody who says something inappropriate or based in lack of understanding or ignorance. You want them to be, you want them to understand what they said that was wrong. So they can actually change if they, if they do intend to change. And they don’t mean to hurt people. But if it’s just simply like, well, you said that I’m writing you off. You’re just like the person who says this all the time. I don’t think that’s a, a way, a effective way to bring about change. I think that’s the way this conversation happens a lot of times, just practically like in our world, you know what I’m saying? Absolutely. So this gray area, you know, it’s a, there’s not gonna be one answer or another. We know that, you know, I don’t know what the, you know, if there’s two schools of thought, it just doesn’t seem like that’s where you should land somewhere in the middle or some, depending on the severity of the, of the result. It’s like if somebody kills somebody completely accidentally, they, they could, it’s not just a civil payment. Sometimes they have to go to prison, right? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because if, and I guess I’m, I’m really just guessing here, having not thought about this, and I’m not a lawyer, but in terms of like setting up. A society where there’s an, you need to have awareness of things, so you just can’t, well, one, just be rich enough to pay off for the mistakes you make. And then you have no accountability. Like you, you have to take responsibility for the mistakes that you make and hopefully in a way that you learn for it from it and change. And I guess if you’re sending somebody to prison, you’re not sending them there forever. You know, you’re sending there for a less amount. That tells society that like, Hey, you just can’t throw money at accident and killing somebody. Right. You got to start taking a higher awareness as a society that how an action might kill somebody. Now, if it’s a complete freak accident, I’m hoping that you’re not going to prison for that. You know? I think it’s usually, is there a carelessness involved? Yeah, careless care than gross negligence. And so. There’s been a, I, I do think it’s a helpful analogy that these, you know, in terms of our laws, we’ve been, I’m not saying it’s air tight, but it indicates for people who’ve thought about this a lot more, the practical impacts of it. In order to create a place where we can all live and work together and, and not just willy nilly accidentally kill each other, you know, then you, um, at, to a certain degree, the result matters more than the intent. If, if the, if, if it was just, well, he didn’t mean to do it and nobody ever went to prison, then I think that things start to break down societally is what I’m arriving at. So I’m at, I think I’m now leaning a little bit and I’m only thinking about killing somebody by accident, but I’m leaning a little bit. Please don’t more towards the results actually. The impact over the intent? Well, I, I think it’s, you look at the impact first and how severe is that impact? Did they lose their life? Did they lose their hat? Okay, now let’s move on to did they intend to kill ’em or did they intend, intend to just polish their hat? I don’t know. You know, so that’s where I’m at. I’m on a 65% bias to impact. Yeah. That’s my answer. Yeah. I, yeah. I don’t know which one, uh, matters more, but I think that the, um, I think your personality can tend to identify with one side or the other, and it’s, and, and, right. It’s probably better to challenge yourself to look at the opposite side of what your natural tendency is. But what do you think about this idea of looking at. Impact first if you’re, if you are making a judgment and he’s asking us to make a judgment. Well, I, I think that’s clearly how it’s done. Because if, if it’s like in one situation, the result was someone died and the, and there were two scenarios there. One was intentional and one was unintentional, and then the other scenario was someone had their glasses broken. Well, clearly the impact, even if, if I really, really, really wanted to break your glasses and then I did it, or I didn’t mean to kill you, but I did. Which one of those things? The, the, the impact that what if I did mean to kill you, but I only broke your glasses? Well, then the intent matters more than the impact, and you should be punished according to your intent. The degree of what you were intending to do or the degree of what the impact was? So it’s to, to me it’s, it’s, again, it’s on both sides. This is probably where if we actually, uh, understood what he was talking about with German and Western philosophy, it would be like, we’re like dancing around things. Obviously, things that people have talked about and figured out more than we have just thinking about it for the first time. But it’s healthy to reive it. But I think that it, uh, it is rooted in the, like the amplitude, the severity of the intent and the severity of the impact. But you’re, that’s, that’s related to what you were intending to do as it would result in an impact. Like if I was, if I wanted attempted murder, but all I did was break your glasses? Well, the charge for attempted murder is significantly higher than the charge for involuntary manslaughter, I would say. Or glasses breaking. Yeah. Yeah. Leave it to the lawyers. It says, I’m feeling good about it. It says here that German philosophy is typically distinguished by its tradition, like emphasis on idealism and subjectivity and historical analysis where Western is more logic, pragmatism, practical. So, so German is more gray. Yeah. German is more gray and Western is a bit more black and white. Hmm. I do think that’s the way that we started approaching it. It is like, okay, well this happens, this is the impact. Um, and then there are some crimes where like if you, Dr if you drive drunk and you kill somebody, especially if you’ve gotten pulled over for a DUI, you’ve been arrested for DUI before, like there’s a certain number of times that if you’ve, okay, this is up to a judge, but like they’ll, it’ll be first degree murder. Sometimes people, people will go away forever. Killing somebody driving drunk if they’ve, if they’ve had a propensity to do that. Mm-hmm. Because then it’s like, okay, what’s the, the difference between that and premeditated murder? You kind of knew what you were doing. Right. Okay. As we close things up, favorite thing about your favorite episode of Wonder Hole One? The one star, like, what’s, what sticks with you? One Star Hotel? Um, the, the funniest part of the episode in my mind, when we watched, when we screened it back, and it was one of those times when, um, when we conceptualized it, we had this vision for what would happen right before the montage Uhhuh. Yeah. And then I had picked out that song. Yeah, for the montage, it’s like the gospel track. Yeah. It’s almost like a Kirk Franklin type thing. Right. And when I saw that and the first time we screened it, and it was just so satisfying. And there’s some things that we do in that montage that made me laugh out loud. The, the pantomime, I mean, of the, of the lifting and dropping of bags. Yes. Yeah, because we didn’t, there just something about that we didn’t, not, that was just like in the moment we were like, we need to get some shots of the progression. And then we just kind of made it up. And I think you were doing something and then I, I seem to remember TJ saying something about like picking up the, you know, act like you’re picking up the bags or something. Yeah. ’cause I’m a bellboy. But then the way that you, but there wasn’t any bags. Um, so you were model, you were modeling your new hat. That sticks out in my mind of, uh, uh, as a, as a favorite part. Uh, favorite. Not the favorite. Um. I mean, the hot tub, the hot tub moment is nice. That was nice for me. Um, and that’s what leads directly into the montage, like the way those scenes tie together. Yeah. Yeah. I also think that, um, time we, every scene we did the scene with rain, like we probably shot it, well, we would shoot a scene and you know, then we would get different coverage and we would, um, well we might learn some things and then we would shoot it again. And then we might get different coverage of different parts of it. Like when we’re having the interaction with the phone, like said, all right, now let’s go back, let’s do the whole part where he comes up and we meet him. Let’s do that a couple of times and then we’ll move on to the second half of the scene where we’re fiddle farting around with the, trying to get the selfie. And he exits. And I definitely remember sitting at that table and just watching he, him and Beth kind of find each other and that, like, in terms of the experience, I mean, I, I really liked the final product, the, the edited scene. But like, I will remember the experience of watching the stuff that Rain was gonna pull out of his hat that we didn’t know it was coming. Right. I got a real kick out of that in the moment, not knowing what he was gonna say. Right. ’cause it was all improv. And I think that, I think the pregnancy part, like there was this pregnancy after birth thing that, that did make it into the final cut. Yeah. Uhhuh. Yeah. And I’m, I have to be, I have to believe that Beth just threw that at rain. And then, so then Raymond’s like, yes, anding the birth with like the, like this after birth cleanup thing or something. Yeah. However it happened, it happened spontaneously, right? And we had a front row seat to it. So I think that’s one of the things that I, I’m taking from this episode. Thanks for listening and thanks for watching Wander Hall. Go over and watch it if you haven’t, and we will talk to you next week. Remember, call us if you’re blind or if you’re not. Hey, written link. 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