[Music] Welcome to Ear Biscuits, the podcast where two lifelong friends talk about life for a long time. I’m Link and I’m Rhett. This week at the round table of dim lighting, uh, we have to dig into our errors and omissions. >> Insurance? >> No. What? >> Yes, >> we’re being sued. >> Yep. >> Nope. >> We’re not being sued. >> Not true. But I made an error and an omission. I made an error or an omission. Um, >> okay. >> A lot of people corrected me in the comments when I talked about my Croatia trip and they were like, “That’s a bad trip.” No, they said that when I described the the war that I was being told about by the locals in Croatia that I I didn’t know my facts. And you’re right, because I just heard like two cab drivers tell me things and kind of filtered it through my brain and then spat back out what I understood to be the case. >> Um, so what’s the correction? >> Well, the thing that is not true that I think I must have said was that Bosnia attacked Croatia. That’s not true. The attacks were staged in Bosnia because that’s the land that kind of like okay certain attacks were staged in Bosnia but it wasn’t the Bosnian people or the Bosnian uh troops that were doing the attacking. It was >> it was a couple of different forces but mostly attributed to Serbia like Serbia was kind of controlling some of these things. I’m not going to get I’m just going to basically I’m not even going to say who did what. I’m just going to say the Bosnians are cool. Bosnians didn’t impact did not did not attack Croatians in the early 90s >> as far as I understand. >> And I knew that when you were saying it, >> right? Right. >> And I would just I didn’t first of all, I didn’t want to interrupt. You were talking. I didn’t want to interrupt. I don’t like to do that. I never do that. >> Right. And I also didn’t want to correct you in front of everybody because >> even though I knew I I I didn’t want to put you on blast and I just didn’t know if you would lash out at me. Right. >> So this is really >> This goes deeper. >> Yep. >> I almost made a joke that I would have regretted. >> I couldn’t I couldn’t call you out. >> I would have lashed out. >> I Okay. Well, then let’s keep going then. I didn’t want to call you out because you’re so volatile, >> right? >> And unpredictable. >> Yep. >> No. Uh I just, you know, I just wanted to leave it to the people. >> And way to go. Way to go, people. >> Well, Bosnians and otherwise. >> Thank you for doing the heavy lifting for me and correcting this man. >> And uh he’s taken it so much better from you than he would have taken it from me. And I’m being facicious, but um >> yeah, you don’t correct me because you don’t you don’t tend to know correct things. >> Oh, come on now. >> Um but >> come on. >> The lesson that I have learned now >> that was a low blow >> is that uh I am welcome if you want to correct me on anything anytime you got something. In fact, I encourage you to do it. >> I just did. I do know some things. Um the >> I don’t know some things >> when you start talking about like other the history of other countries in war which I guess I should have known is that I’m literally that’s what I heard when I when I went back into my conversation with a cab driver I was like okay yeah buzzing is attack Montenegro and whatever and so then I was like no factchecking no research just I’m going to repeat this on a podcast even on a comedy podcast. You just shouldn’t, you know, you if you’re going to, you know, I should have just said the war. >> Hey, >> someone attacked someone in the war. >> I mean, was it I don’t think this was a huge >> No on the internet. >> No, no, no. This is a This is a This is not a scandal. >> Well, don’t minimize it. >> It’s not a scandal. >> Don’t you need to own this. >> This is the biggest mistake I’ve made this year. >> Don’t minim Oh my god. Well, since you’re so embarrassed and crushed, I do want to tell you that we have a voicemail where someone apologizes to you. But I didn’t really hear an apology from you. So, and more think about it, just go all the way and apologize. >> I said I had an error. I made an error and an omission. >> Well, that’s not an apology. >> I am sorry that for making an error and omission. I’m I am sorry to not only all Bosnians, but I am sorry to uh anybody with the last name Bosworth. >> Okay, go on. >> Um Bosworth, the actor. >> Yeah, >> Kate Bosworth. I’m sorry to her. I’m sorry to Brian Bosworth >> who was he was a quite a he was a MF MLB player >> but also like a wrestler >> and an actor. >> Sounds like you’re setting up for some more corrections. >> Uh who else? >> I am sorry to anyone who has a Baj washing machine. Um >> how you say it? >> Bos. >> Bosch. >> Bosch. Uh I’m sorry to Chris. Chris Bosk. Who? Bosch who is a NBA player. Any if you I’m sorry to anyone and everyone who Bos has anything to do with Bos at all. >> Okay. >> I’m sorry to Wade Bogs, which is even a different thing. I mean, >> for what? >> For saying that the Bosnians attacked Croatia. Any repercussions that that might have caused >> for Wade Bogs, >> right? >> I think I may have ruined some people’s days. >> Anybody else? Nope. That’s it. >> What about a What about a body? A body. A good buddy of yours. >> Okay. I’m sorry to my body. >> Buddy >> body. >> Buddy. >> Body. My body. Body. B U D. Why >> a good buddy? >> Yeah. >> Me. What about me? >> What? I just apologized to you >> for what? [Music] Not letting you be present in the in the presence of such salacious misinformation. Not protecting your little brain against against misinformation. Not not protecting your teeny tiny little brain uh against the misinformation that I spewed. You’re so easily influenced. >> You should apologize for that. >> Yeah. I’m sorry. You don’t know how many people I told that the Bosnians were going off and attacking somebody in Croatia. >> I mean it it has I think a whole group started a Facebook group started. >> Now that you’ve done this, there is a voicemail where someone apologizes to you. >> Oh, good. >> And that’s going to happen. >> Oh, good. >> But I want to remind you to watch Wonder Hole. It’s out on the Retin Link channel. YouTube.comlink. Episode three is out now, I believe. >> Yes. So go over there and watch that multiple times. Also, if you’re a Mythical Society member or you want to be, well, I think you might want to be because Lily and I are doing a miniseries over there. We are calling it Link Versus Lily last one standing. It’s uh we do survivoresque challenges >> and um yeah, there’s there’s gross there’s gross food that’s coming out soon. Episode one is out now. You can check that one out. It is a ridiculous puzzle challenge and there’s three total and uh it’s pretty awesome. It’s pretty fun. It’s pretty eye opening. Mythicalsocciety.com >> where you can also watch Wonder Hole early. >> That’s right. comes out on Sunday on YouTube. It comes out on the previous Wednesdays on Adree on the Mythical Society. So get you some. There was a time when we were building our business that we were trying to stretch every dollar, planning meals, skipping impulse buys, and timing purchases just right. Something we wish we had back then was the right tool to make that kind of money management way more doable. And that’s where CLA comes in. CLA is your smarter everyday spending partner. It’s not just about splitting payments, though that’s there when you need it. Clara helps you shop smarter by showing price comparisons, offering cash back, and tracking your purchases all in one place. It kind of fits into how I already shop. Whether I’m checking out online or just browsing for the best deal in the app, it helps me feel informed and on top of things without any added stress. 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Um, and I was telling my therapist about it and he told me that I should stick around and use him as an opportunity to become more assertive myself. And so I started doing that and um it’s really toxic, but it’s like kind of hot and I’m not sure if I should like continue doing this or I don’t know. I feel like it’s a bad idea to continue, but also like it helps me be more assertive, but also it’s just really really toxic and it’s just why I don’t understand. So, let me know what you guys think. Bye. >> Bren, this is a roller coaster ride of a voicemail. >> I want to apologize to Bren. >> Good. Go. >> Just in case >> for not really following the logic of Bin’s voicemail. Is that what you’re calling? >> I do follow the logic. And listen, >> well, I don’t know. Help me understand it because like >> she is in a relationship. >> There was bluntness, then there was toxicity, then it was then it was kind of hot. Well, I understand that. I don’t need any explanation about that. >> It It was kind of hot for her to be assertive or blunt. >> She likes bad boys. That’s fine. But listen, that’s not what this is about. Okay. >> What you’re saying, Bren, is that you are in a relationship with a guy who uh you’ve described his behavior as toxic. You tell your therapist about this. Your therapist says, “No, no, don’t break up. use this as a like a personal growth opportunity so you can assert yourself and then that you like the idea of that because it’s a little bit hot you know maybe yeah maybe you it is a little bit hot to like participate in that and so now you’re confused >> I don’t like your hair that way >> and you are calling your boys because you know your boys will have an answer for you which by the way is not medical advice it’s not you shouldn’t take it What what what are the things we need to say for insurance purposes? If I talk about >> contact your your lawyer. >> If I talk about anything including Bosnia or any wars in really anything at all, >> it’s not to be taken seriously. It is for entertainment purposes. That being said, you don’t only need a new boyfriend, you need a new therapist. Um, >> I don’t think that the if the relationship was toxic. I I just think that he’s that she’s dating someone who’s blunt. And it seems like Bren has a problem with being assertive. >> Oh, so you think the problem here is that she said it was toxic and it’s not toxic. >> She said when I took the advice and it’s kind of hot, but it’s also toxic. >> I you think she’s using toxic loosely? I I just question like yeah what she means by toxic and if if it’s a toxic relationship and your therapist is saying stay in it just so you can learn to be more assertive that seems sus. >> Yeah. >> But I’m giving the therapist the benefit of the doubt and maybe I shouldn’t. So that being said, >> okay, >> if it’s a truly toxic relationship as defined by, you know, it creates there’s difference between being blunt and being toxic. Being blunt is not necessarily toxic. >> If it’s toxic, then you are not like emotionally or psychologically safe. >> Yeah. >> It doesn’t sound like that’s what’s going on, but if that’s what’s going on, you need a new boyfriend and you need a new therapist. Seems like, but it seems like the therapist might have just been saying you can learn how to be more assertive with someone who is blunt because you can people are like that and you can learn to work with it. If you’re not assertive, but someone else asserts their opinion by just saying it filterless, then maybe there’s a meeting in the middle. But not if there’s toxicity. >> But is that the kind of thing that you do in the context of a romantic relationship? To me, it’s one thing. It’s like, okay, I’ve got this friend who’s very blunt, and it’s a little bit, you know, uh, makes me feel uncomfortable sometimes or whatever, but I’m going to remain their friend so I can practice whatever you’re supposed to practice with a blunt person, like giving it back to them or whatever that you’re supposed to do. Um, okay. But like in a relationship, >> it it is weird because to your point, the reaction to somebody being overly blunt to the point where it might rub you the wrong way or hurt your feelings. Not even to the point of toxicity, but just to the point where it’s like I mean, we know people and we’ve known people. I mean, you know, you run across people all the time and sometimes you’re close to them, sometimes you date them where they’re just they just say what’s on their mind. But is the response to that to give it back to them? That doesn’t seem to follow in my mind. If you have a problem with being assertive and asserting your own opinion or or your own needs or your own point of view or whatever, I guess that you could find inspiration from someone who just says what they think. You know, oh, I could they do it. I can do that. When they do it, what happens? Well, they hurt my feelings. I can do it and hurt people’s feelings. That doesn’t seem like a good application. But if it’s like, I can do it a little bit more in order to not be I’m put these are just my words, be a doormat or subvert my needs and points of view at all times. That’s a good exercise to take up space and represent yourself and you know assert to a tasteful and respectful level that you’re worthy of respect and understanding. >> But do you need to do that? I don’t. >> But is it a tip for tat thing? That seems that seems strange. >> I don’t know. >> Give your therapist our number. We don’t know enough about this situation >> to talk about it for as long as we have. >> We We don’t know enough about this situation. We should have said that at the top. >> And we’re just being blunt. We’re just being blunt. Now, I I know I’m guilty of this. I’ve been I’ve been blunt. >> You’ve been blunt. >> I’ve been blunt. >> Yeah. >> Um but I wouldn’t say it’s like an acrosstheboard like character flaw. I think it happens sometimes. But it but I but I’m not the guy, right, who’s like, “Hey, watch out because he’s going to tell you something.” >> Uh, you’re I don’t think >> I don’t think bluntness is the way that that’s not it. I mean there there some people might describe some of the things that you say as blunt but it’s more you go you you might you will say something to someone before you have really gauged whether or not the thing that you’re about to say to them is going to offend them because it’s like you know break the ice a little bit. you you you come in pretty hot and pretty uh and it most of the time it’s you’re you’re in an effort to connect with somebody, but sometimes it can be like telling somebody that you don’t like the way that they’re dressed. >> Yeah. But I but I don’t do that all the time. No, you well you do it a lot with you do it a lot with >> you do it mostly with people you’re just meeting which is kind of an odd is it’s kind of an odd choice >> it’s just like I’m just meeting you and my way of getting to know you is I’m going to say something that is going to make potentially potentially make you feel uncomfortable in front of all these people but some people are going to think oh well you’re interesting but some people are going to be like you’re an [ ] and you just don’t never know what you’re going to [ ] So that could be seen as blunt. >> I mean, you told a guy you told a you told a working musician. >> Mhm. >> Um I can’t remember the context >> that he needed a stylist. >> Yeah. Yeah. You met a working musician for the first time while he was recording an album >> and within the first seven minutes? >> No, it wasn’t. It was after a couple of hours. >> Uh really >> we were having a gentle hang. >> There was more than that before that. But then it what it >> I felt like we had we had rapport and we had gone deep >> and you basically told him he needed a stylist and I was like, “Wow, here we go. Here we go.” And >> you know, talk a little [ ] man. Bust a little ball. >> But I will say that he’s >> You’re a recording musician. >> He still he still likes us. He still he texted both of us the other day. He texts me all the time. Just me, not you. >> That’s probably not true. >> Not true at all. >> Um but um >> has he ever texted you without me? >> Yeah. >> No, he hasn’t. I do regret it. And I remember that. I remember that. And I’m I’m like, you know what? >> Hold on. Let me say I text him without you. >> Okay. >> I have a text with just him that’s about something that we care about together that you don’t care about. >> Yeah, I know what you’re talking about. Okay. Probably. Uh, anyway, >> hold on. It’s not me, though. >> Yeah, >> you’re not. It’s not with me. That’s just about me. Hey, dude. It’s like you don’t need to stop. >> But what I’m saying is that >> I keep telling you, and it’s been years, by the way, >> most of the time, I would say nine times out of 10, you have reason to believe that um the person that you’re saying this to is probably going to be like, “This guy’s just a bit.” The people that you’ve done this to, >> my mo >> are. It’s your emo when you’re meeting people for the first time. It is. That’s true. Undoubtedly, every single time I’ve been there in the past, all right, four years, maybe. >> But, >> uh, but I think that most of the people that in these settings that we’re meeting are like >> other uh, let’s just say broadly speaking, like entertainment professionals, right? People who are kind of walk people who maybe walk around being told that they’re great from a lot of different people. >> I think that’s part of it. And so maybe you feel this need to be like, I’m just going to say something that’s gonna knock you off your high horse a little bit. And that’s just not, you know, obviously that’s not my emmo. Just just a little real talk. >> And I’m always there and I’m always like, okay, am I going to say something to make this okay or am I just going to observe and see what happens? And I would say that almost every time I think it’s ended up being okay. And if it hasn’t, we just don’t know about it. Like they talked about it later and we don’t know them or anything. But I think that it’s >> but we have this mutual friend. We had a mutual friend. There was a divorce that happened. So we’re not friends with her anymore. >> Okay. You didn’t have to get that specific. >> It’s not and it’s not who you’re thinking about right now. But this person, >> okay, >> is very was very blunt. And every single time we saw this person, they would say something that would be like, “Oo, that hurt.” Like look you in the eye and just say something unapologetic. >> I don’t know who you’re talking about. >> And she was short and stuttered. >> Okay. I still don’t know what you’re talking about, but like was this will they do this? People will do that to you because >> I think it was a cultural difference. >> But people will do that to you because you do that to people. A lot of people don’t do that to me. Like I don’t get regularly insulted >> that I know about. >> I’m a whisper this person. >> Okay. Don’t you remember that? That’s that’s like blunt. That’s different than what you’re talking about with me. >> Yeah. I think she was Bosnian. >> Oh my god. I just I’m I’m kidding. I’m totally I a I want to apologize. >> Oh, I want to apologize. >> But it maybe it I think we did chalk it up to I think this is a cultural thing. >> Uh yeah. Uh but I will say she did that more to you than she did it to me. >> Really? >> Yeah. She did it to everybody. You’re too tall. She’s scared of your stature. >> But I think people are like, “Oh, he can take it.” Like he because he does this. What she would do is she would say things and it was as if she was like, “I think I’m doing you a favor.” >> She was blunt. I would I would I would uh I would describe her as blunt. If you were like If you were like, “Is Link blunt?” I’d be like, “Well, sit down for a second.” >> Right. Right. Blunt is not the best way to describe him. >> Right. It’s convoluted. >> But this woman was blunt. He’s like, “Oh, wow. You will just say any anything at all?” It’s like my uh wife’s grandmother’s sister >> uh had a labbotomy, [Laughter] >> right? So, it was cultural. >> Well, no. Um it was biological >> back in the day when they did labbotoies. It was a thing that they did and she was one of cuz she was in a bad way back in the maybe the 50s like when she was a maybe the 40s like when she was a she’s she’s no longer with us and she would probably be in her 90s or 100 or something now but >> but half of her was never with you. Well, so what they would do is she was she went through like in her teenage years, she was just doing lots of stuff, crazy stuff, you know, walking down the street naked and stuff like that, you know. >> Mhm. >> And um >> god forbid a woman have hobbies. She >> and she wasn’t doing well. And so they did a labbotomy which they was the kind where they just like sever the connection between the brain or they go in and like scramble a little bit of something you know that’s what they scramble that’s what they did they did they would go in there and they would scramble a part of the brain thinking this will fix it >> and like literally stick something down in there and just like >> yes >> what a labbotomy isn’t like changing putting a new brain in like >> I know I thought it was I thought they removed it but they just >> No sometimes they’ll just go in and scramble it and rearrange the furniture. >> This was wildly unsuccessful for most people, but for her, it fixed the the tendencies that she was doing. I don’t know all the stuff she was doing, but it fixed the tendencies that she was doing, but it took away all of her inhibition for like if you went over there, she’d be like, “You need to lose weight.” You know, but now a lot of old ladies will say that kind of thing to you, but >> she just said whatever she was thinking and no inhibition at all. >> And but everybody was like, “Well, that’s just her. She’s had a labbotomy. She’s got the best excuse ever.” And there’s some Yeah. >> I would blame it I would blame it every day on a labbotomy. Well, I had a labbotomy. That’s all I can say. >> Yeah. Yeah. And I bet I bet you she did. Now, did you ever meet this woman? >> Mhm. And did she talk about, you know, I’m I’m severed. >> No, she did not talk about it. She did not talk about it. >> Huh. Interesting. >> We knew about it. >> But >> she never said anything. She never said any. >> It was a >> even her She never said anything to me. >> Cuz you’re too big. >> She never said anything to me. >> You’re too big. >> It’s a you thing. >> Well, how come she didn’t just say you’re too big? >> Cuz she has no She has no No, she has no inhibition. The point I’m saying is even a labbotomy woman who has no inhibition >> still won’t say anything to me. >> Yeah. She still experiences fear of children do cry around me. >> Right. >> You’re like a the most realistic mascot that a child has ever seen. Like >> I know more mascotty people than me. >> You’re so mascot. Like Lando >> I’m not big enough around to be >> Lando would go under the table >> when a mascot would come around. Like, god forbid, Ronald McDonald come around, one of those cows from Chick-fil-A, boy, he was under the table. >> Have you seen there’s a there’s a restaurant where there’s dinosaurs walking around and these dinosaurs very realistic raptor looking things walk walking around this restaurant. These children are >> like losing their Yeah. >> Like, well, yeah, that’s what you’re doing, man. Even to lobomize people. >> So, what are we what are we talking about? I think maybe there’s another apology coming. >> Um tour. This is the tour, baby. And you know what? You should apologize to me again probably as part of this because >> Well, I want to know where Why did we start talking about? >> Here’s what we’re talking about, Brett. It’s a breath of fresh air if there’s somebody in your life, as long as you’re not dating them probably, that is going to say exactly what they think. Like some people, hey, it’s like, you know what? I’m going to ask soand so this because I know they’re going to tell me exactly what they think. And that’s a that’s that can be valuable. >> Yeah. >> You can get good information that a lot of people aren’t willing to give you. I’m not even willing to give you because I haven’t had a labbotomy. I’d like to go on record. >> Okay. Well, but maybe we could get get you one. >> Maybe one day. >> Maybe we can scramble. >> Jenna, don’t you get in on this. Maybe we could scramble. >> I am not accepting this. I am only accepting your apologies. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don’t know what the application is here. I just think that you don’t need to practice relational skills in a relationship. >> Not >> in general. >> Yeah. I want to know I want to know what’s so toxic about their partner. I want to know what they’ve been doing to be assertive and if them being assertive has changed the partner’s behavior and that is what’s hot. Like I need to know what is hot, >> right? >> To like in the situ I need more info from >> I’m actually most interested in what’s hot. >> Yeah. Yeah. Can we get another voicemail of what is hot? >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And by the way, to clarify the situation, when you told you told this man that he needed a stylist, he was like, “I’m recording music right now, man.” He’s like, “I have a stylist.” He’s like, “I’m not.” He’s like, “I’m dressed comfortably because I’m recording.” >> And then what did I say? I’m just messing with you, man. >> Yeah. Something like that. >> Yeah. And that made it a little better. >> Yeah. He was like, I you know, I just mean if you wore if you wore sweatpants like on the front your cover of your album, >> then we might have a problem. I was like, well, I wasn’t planning on it. >> I listen I before we move on, I will say that that that has been a good data point for me. >> What? That specific interaction? >> Yeah. >> Oh, wow. >> I if I had to do it again, I wouldn’t have said it because you’ve brought it up a number of times. Well, I think it’s one of the few times that when we were going home after I was like, uh, yeah, I got some feedback for you. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Usually I’m just like, I don’t He can do what he wants. >> Again, it’s not my It’s not my emmo to go that hard. I took a risk. It didn’t pay off, >> right? >> Yeah. >> And it informed future interactions that I >> I will say, can I give you >> Did it h What? >> We haven’t talked about this. >> Another one. >> We haven’t talked about this. >> God dang it. I know >> this was another situation in which um >> what you need to be like are you are you in the right frame of mind for some feedback remember we have training in this >> you’re you >> do you remember you ask if somebody wants feedback before you give them feedback >> would you like some feedback >> cuz you’re going to think >> on a hot mic you’re think it’s going to you’re going to think it’s funny when I tell you this story >> yes good lord um uh let me just say uh I’m going to I’m going to change the medium from what the medium was just because I don’t want to uh I want it to be a little more obscure. Like if I’m writing this in a book, it’s not this person wasn’t showing you this. They were showing you their painting. >> Gotcha. Gotcha. >> Okay. >> All right. >> So, we were going to a place where someone was working on their painting. And Okay. >> All right. And um when we got there, we got to know them and some other people who were there and they showed us their painting like, “Oh, we’ve been working on these paintings. Here’s a few of them.” and you and you saw the paintings and you did the thing that you often do which is which I think is one of the reasons that the person who is a mutual friend will invite us to see people’s paintings because you especially tend to be pretty specific and affusive in your feedback about anything that people show to you. Right. >> Okay. >> Almost to the degree that I couldn’t say anything if I wanted to. >> But okay. >> Okay. So you >> I don’t quite yet know what the painting is and what this is, but go ahead. I think I have a guess. >> Okay. And so we see like three paintings and you’re like making comments about each one and like saying some things and like asking questions and enga engaging in a way that like I think again is the reason that the friend invites us. >> Uh but it wasn’t it wasn’t overwhelming. It was like on a scale of zero to link, you know, link being a 10, it was like it was a four. >> I was keeping it chill. And then I wasn’t talking about >> while we were there, we started talking about another painter that we all liked. >> Oh. >> That this person had also worked with >> And so we started looking at some of their paintings. Yeah. >> And when their paintings came up, you were like, “Oh shit.” Oh yeah. Oh. like your reaction to these paintings was so over the top and then and it was like oh yes yes yes. It was like it was so >> it was so over the top and then you’re like oh and then then this happens and then this happens and then >> in the painting this happens in the painting >> in the painting >> and meanwhile the other painter is there and what I was thinking was wow we just looked at her paintings and Link wasn’t apparently this is a fusive. And I was like, um, >> what is he going to do? >> When is it going to hit him that this may have happened? And I was like, maybe never. >> Well, then we went back to uh looking at some paintings, >> their paintings. >> Oh, yes, their paintings. And uh you kind of went back to four again. Yeah, because I’m not going to fake. Yeah, I I give honest and positive feedback. I gave honest and positive feedback, but then whenever the other painting was sprung on me, I was like, I’m still giving honest and positive feedback, but yes, it’s on another level. And I and I and my feedback to your feedback is not that you should make the feedback for the paintings that are that you’re not as impressed with uh as ausive as the other, but maybe while you’re still with that person and the cool paint the awesome paintings come out, you’re just kind of like, “Yes, I also like these.” >> You know, just like keep it a little just a little smaller for the sake of that person. >> Yep. Yep. >> You know, that was just a little feedback I had. Yeah. Um, >> we did that. I didn’t feel it worth talking to you about after the fact, but now that we’re talking about it, it I thought that was funny. I mostly laughed in the moment. >> I think that their their paintings just just were substantially not as good. And um I wasn’t trying to I Yeah, I didn’t say that. I didn’t say anything blunt. >> You didn’t >> improvement. >> You didn’t say. But the writing was on the wall in between all the paintings. >> Yeah. Yeah. Because sometimes if you’re like, “Well, now this now this one I like this one.” Like, but the implication is that maybe the one we just looked at I don’t like. >> Right. You know, but that’s fine then. That’s fine. Again, >> what I hear you saying, okay, you are also an artist, right? You mostly uh we do this together. make things that we put out there that are very routinely criticized, right? It is part of the job, >> right? And it isn’t like we don’t want in fact I was talking about this uh recently because there is a thing that happens um there is a thing that happens when you show your work to someone in this town and there are like a few different things that they might say and if they say that was so much fun. That means they didn’t like it and they can’t think of something else. They can’t think of something specific to say. >> Yeah. >> And that has happened to us a number of times. >> Yeah. >> Um but I don’t want them to say something that’s not true. Like >> right >> now I don’t necessarily want them to be completely honest with me. There’s enough your friends don’t need to be completely honest with you about your art because your friendship is more important. You can leave that up to the people on the internet who are going to be very specifically blunt with their feedback and >> or or your aunt with a labbotomy. >> Yeah. And it might be emotionally difficult to like take, but it’s not like you you put it out there. I mean, you put it out there. People’s opinions are how they react to it. So, you can’t get upset with people’s reaction to it. Um, so it’s like I don’t know there’s like And then there’s some other times where you send things to people and you’re like I am sending this to you because I want your specific feedback and I want you to be as honest as possible. Like if it’s a draft of a screenplay or a pilot or a book or something like that or even it’s it’s like a rough cut like if you invite somebody into the early stages of something and you are telling them you got the green light >> to tell me what sucks about this. I’m literally asking you that. >> That’s a completely different situation too. >> Yeah. But I mean those other paintings were just on another level. >> Yeah. And you weren’t and it was tough >> negative about it was just you were so positive about the other ones that it was very clear that I was like well link doesn’t like these paintings and then you got into this into the car and you were like yeah >> I don’t like I don’t like those paintings that much but I did a I mean before that I had done a really good job of only saying I was engaged I said honest and and productive things and I I took took the tension out of the room. >> I agree with that. >> I took the awkwardness out of the room by saying it by processing it in a positive way. It was just when them other paintings popped out. Yeah. But like up until then, lots of good progress. >> Yeah. >> Right. >> Yeah. Well, I don’t think this person would invite you back to to participate in this process if they you had been like offending people, >> right? >> Do you know what I’m saying? >> Yes. And I have been invited back, >> right? Yeah. And I think he does that because he’s like, well, this would be encouraging for this person. And honestly, I still think that might have been encouraging for that person. I don’t. It was just I noticed it and I know you so well, right? That I was like, I know exactly what he thinks about all of this just based on like gauging these two reactions. >> Yeah. But like to get >> maybe they didn’t see it >> to get to get totally positive feedback from painter one to get positive feedback and then painter two who by the way wasn’t even there. >> Right. Made it even better >> to get more positive feedback. Well then that you know they’re different paintings. >> Yeah. you know, they appeal to different people, but but it was never >> it you have to you have to be determined to compare, which which I wasn’t doing. >> No. So >> it was this gray area like okay now painter one is has their own process >> right >> to deal with >> right >> that but um yeah it is a precarious situation where somebody’s sharing um something that they’ve poured their heart and soul into >> well and especially at that I think at a at a at a uh like hey you’ve been invited to like hear this thing that’s being just been worked on I feel like >> the painting wasn’t complete Yeah. And I also feel like you’re only allowed to give positive feedback in that situation. >> Yeah. And I knew that. >> And you wouldn’t you would never give negative feedback in that situ like directly negative feedback in that situation. You would never do that. >> But I just think there are people >> after the the stylist thing. I’d like to think so. >> But that was that wasn’t a comment on his work. That was a comment on his clothing, which he wasn’t there for. >> Total package. If he was a designer or like a fashion model and you said you need a stylist, then that would have been more. >> But I think that it’s okay to be completely positive. I think it’s okay to be completely positive when your friend shows you something that they did. I always try to find something positive to say. Like I’m just not going to be the person that be like, listen, when this thing gets out into the world, you’ll get all the negative feedback you could ever imagine from all the people who respond this. We live in a world where everyone’s opinion is right there under the thing that you’ve made. So, you don’t need mine unless you ask for it specifically. So, from a social standpoint, I just think it’s more on a friendship level, it’s more about I’m here to encourage. I’m here to make you feel good about what you did. Whether or not it ends up working once it’s out there in the public eye, it’s like, you know what I mean? Um, my mind was wandering a little bit. >> Okay. Well, we need to move on. >> But I do know what you were meaning. >> We need to move on anyway. >> We’re going Let’s pass the blunt, so to speak. >> To another podcast. Okay. You ready for your apology? >> Yes. >> I I think I I I think you can’t get it. >> I’ve earned it >> cuz you you’ve thrown me under the bus twice. >> I’ve earned it >> in this past segment. >> Well, it was it was relevant. It was relevant. >> It was relevant. Revalent. >> I just did it to get the comments from the people I I did it to get the comments from the people who who think I’m always throwing you under the bus. >> Okay. >> Because I live for them. >> Mhm. We need more of those. >> Yeah. Right. Yeah. >> Okay. Then I forgive you. >> I when I wake up in the morning, that’s the first thing I think about is those people. >> Oh, Reth’s been so hard on LinkedIn. >> And I’m like, what can I do today on the podcast that will get those people excited? I got a couple of things. >> Tiny brain maybe. >> Yeah, that was that was good. That was good. >> Okay. >> Hey guys, uh my name is Victor. Um I just stumbled upon uh ear biscuits even though I’ve been watching GMM since I was in high school. >> Um I came across the episode where was talking about his vacation out to North Carolina a couple years ago with his wife. Um, and he stumbled across the the family uh and the gentleman, took a picture with them, and uh he later commented about how rude Rhett was. Um, I just want to say that was me. I’m a changed person now. Um, I I love you guys. Um, I uh I’m extremely embarrassed. I still have that photo and uh every time it pops up on my memories. Um it brings back some uh embarrassing uh feelings. So, um like I said, I just want to apologize, Rhett. I think you’re awesome. Link, you’re cool, too. >> Hey. >> Um and I love you guys. Bye. C >> can you refresh my memory? >> Yeah, >> cuz I knew there was an apology, but I don’t remember the details. >> This is uh several years ago. I’m in North Carolina. I am staying at the beach. I have COVID and my wife has CO. We both have CO. >> And you you’re telling this story on this podcast. >> So, I told this story on the podcast because the first time I went outside, I think this is the first time I had CO or maybe the second time. Um the basically the first time I go out in public after recovering from COVID, I’m walking on the beach and as you know, walking on the beach in North Carolina, you might not see anybody especially during the winter time and oh there’s a there’s a guy a couple of people and he sees me and he’s like Rhett. And he’s coming up to me pretty pretty fast and I’m like hey I’m I’m I’m recovering. I just want you to know, and this is like 2021, you know, I’m still in the like I’m I’m recovering from CO. >> Like I feel like I have a lethal weapon. >> Mhm. >> And um he was like, I want to get a can I get a picture? And I was like I thought Yeah. I said, “Yeah, but I’m not going to be able to get like right up on you even though we’re outside. It’s just just like you know, >> you don’t want to kill him.” >> And uh >> or whatever we thought at the time. And then he ended up commenting somewhere. I met Rat on the beach, got a picture. He was rude. No context of like, well, he had COVID or whatever. >> And so >> I love the fact I’m getting you to retell this story and he’s listening to it and he’s he’s feeling horrible again cuz you’re like retelling. So you’re not accepting his apology. You’re retelling. >> You said you didn’t remember. >> I don’t. >> I didn’t. Uh, also I will say that I don’t know how I don’t know how >> and Victor you can call back and correct me if I’m wrong. I don’t know how I don’t like I may be misremembering. It may be that I had COVID and I didn’t want to tell I there’s a chance. I can’t remember. It’s been four or five years. >> But on the podcast, did you call him out for saying you were rude? >> Yeah. The story I told was a dude I he tried to get a picture of me while I was recovering from COVID and I was like I didn’t want him to get close to me and he said I was rude but he didn’t ever tell anybody that it was because I had CO which I’m sure I must have said I might have said hey I’ I’ve been a little sick or something like I may have said it may have seemed like I gave some excuse like I just don’t like getting close to people. Um, >> and then >> obviously mad about it now. >> Years later, he happens he’s gotten onto this podcast. Yeah. >> He’s like, man, he told a story about me years earlier. >> That was me. But didn’t he didn’t stop listening because of it. He started listening because of it. >> He started listening in spite of it. Found out about it. Felt even worse, but then had the opportunity to apologize, which he took. >> And I This is amazing. I accept your apology, Victor. Um, you know, happens to the best of us. Happ >> Listen, Victor, he got >> what he wanted out of it, which was a good story that made him the victim. >> That’s true. >> So, >> it made a much more interesting story than Victor never talked about you >> if you hadn’t talked about me. I mean, think about that. >> Think about that. He got he got the you got the raw end of the deal twice over Victor >> and I wonder if he got co >> probably not. It’s tough to get it outside like that. >> You should be apologizing to Victor for for putting him on blast in you doxed him almost. If you would have said his username, >> okay, >> then you would have doxed him. Victor, I want to say that I am sorry to you for potentially exposing you to a potentially deadly virus. Um, that I called you out on a podcast and then because my friend’s memory isn’t great, I had to call you out again. And now you’ve identified yourself and now I called you out again. So maybe it’s even worse and you’re going to feel even more embarrassment when you see that picture. But I want to say this apology is 100% conditional on whether or not you are Bosnian. Come on. So if you are, it all stands. If you’re not, forget about it. The the thing is, you right, Victor. He’s a jerk. He’s a jerk. There’s a reason why he’s going on this apology tour today. Because everywhere he turns, there’s something for him to be sorry about. That’s right. That’s right. Let’s see what else we can apologize about. >> Hi, Ren Link and Jenna. This is Oakley from Minnesota. My partner of three years just broke up with me. She wasn’t a mythical fan, so it was probably for the better. And I was just wondering if you had any song suggestions to help me get over the breakup. Thank you so much, and I love you guys the content. Jenna’s already pulling up her phone. >> Excuse me. >> And I’m like I’m like I know I’ve got this. Um sorry for your loss. Um but like you said, you’re already looking at the positive side. Maybe it’s for the best. Um your name is Oakley, >> right? >> So that’s awesome. >> You probably got a pair on right now. >> That’s awesome. Um, I have a playlist on my Spotify called Songs to Break Up to >> that you already had. >> Yeah. Well, this was a listening party. >> Songs to break up to or songs to listen to after you’ve broken up. >> Uh, well, it’s songs to break up to, but it’s like if you’re in the process. >> Okay. >> So, this was Yeah. Back during the pandemic, I did the listening party stuff like me and Britain would like create these playlists, right? And this is just one of them that we came up with. Um, so I’ll just list off some um, Roses by Outcast. >> That’s a good one. That’s a good one. >> Um, he says the B- word a lot at the end and if you don’t hear it, you’re not listening to the explicit version and it’s weird. >> If you accidentally don’t listen to the explicit version of Roses by Outcast, it gets weird. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, you gota you got to listen to that. >> Um, >> you want to say the B- word at the end every single time. You need that for Yeah, I agree. >> Which brings me if since I’m on Outcast, this one’s not on on my list. Um, F You by I think the radio edit was Forget You, but it was actually >> Mhm. >> You from uh Cee Green and um what was that group he was in with Danger Mouse or whatever. >> Um >> these are uh so far these are like bitter breakup songs. >> This is like Yeah. You’ve been dumping you’re mad or you’re mad about it. Yeah. Good riddance also. Yeah. I have a few that aren’t that. A few that like you can get into a sad place, >> but I but I’m going I’mma go for the mad place. Jenna, you add anybody add whatever you want, but um X Factor Lauren Hill. >> This last one. I think that’s it. Um Oh god, I’m not going to say that one. Uh Bob Dylan, don’t think twice, it’s all right. >> Commodores say alone. [Music] >> We love that song. That’s a great song. >> That’s such a good song. It’s more of a divorce song, but it’s that’s kind of like let’s go our separate ways. And there’s that’s kind of like a peaceful peaceful vibe where it’s like, “All right, my my my reactionary, my anger, that type of vibe is is kind of settling down.” You can play some of that. Um, >> I like to throw in Lose You to Love Me by Selena Gomez. >> Okay. Mhm. >> If you want to get really sad, you could start with uh Don’t Speak by No Doubt. >> It’s like you know it’s coming but you don’t want to hear it. Very good song. Um and then if you want to get really sad, Bonnie Ra, I can’t make you love me. >> Sorry. Sorry, Oakley. >> Yes. Good. Can’t make you love me. >> Honestly, that’s the first one that you’ve said that I would put on my breakup list. >> Sad. >> You’re wallow in sorrow kind of. >> I’m like the whole like vengeful like hiphop breakup song. I’m like what? No, never. I would never do that. But Bonnie Ray, oh god, that song is so good. >> It is. It is such a good song. Jenna, you’re still looking. What else you got? >> Uh uh I think a good one would be Billy Isish Happier Than Ever. M. >> It’s so sad. Happier than ever. Like that’s a >> Yeah. So, you get in your feels. >> That sounds pretty sad. >> Yeah. It’s a good feels one. >> Okay. >> But yeah, I usually switch over from sad to all right, let’s let’s be a bad [ ] again. And then I find my like playlist to get to to find my bad [ __ ] again. >> So then you go to Exhale. Shoop Shoop by Whitney Houston. >> Ooh yeah. I think you could do that. >> Well, remember we I had that uh >> She’s Gone. >> I had that tape that Merl Haggard mixtape >> and it was the love inside and the lonely side >> and it was all Merl songs, but I would sit around and listen. >> I did not have that one. >> I would sit around and listen to the lonely side and wallow in unrequited love for my crush. And >> it’s so great that you would make those. You’d make mixtapz for yourself, like emo mixtapz, >> but it was like going where the lonely go by Merl Haggard, you know. >> Oh, yeah. That’s a good one. >> Any place the lights are low. >> Taylor Swift’s 10-minute version of All Too Well. >> Yeah. Listen. Yeah, I remember it All Too Well. That’ll that Okay, >> that’s a good That’ll cry. >> Mhm. >> I mean, I’m not I’m not I’m not about to recommend a Taylor Swift song. like we are never >> getting back together. >> Do you know the uh >> I mean that’s a good one too but this this is a cry one. >> Do you know that that that this is interesting story about Mark Marin’s uh special his HBO special uh which I ended up watching just because all the all the promotion of him talking about stuff on doing all these guest appearances and kind of like calling out the >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Uh the Trump loving comedians uh was effective for me. I’ve always liked Marin, but you know, I I would just like listen to an occasional WTF, but I wouldn’t >> I haven’t ever actually listened to one of his specials, >> but I >> or watched it. >> I I watched it. >> I had heard that he used Yeah, I had heard that he used >> a Taylor Swift song in the special >> and people were asking I think maybe Howie asked him like how much did you have to pay for that? It was like 50 grand or whatever and it was like >> because he’s friends with Jack Antonoff. >> I don’t know. >> Is the is I think there’s something >> that’s the connection. >> Yeah. >> So, all I know is that like he plays like a sad he plays a sad Taylor Swift song through his phone into the microphone >> as part >> as part of the special. >> Okay. >> Basically like in like the like the last bit. >> Um >> how long does that go on? He plays it enough to get the point across and he’s making he like it’s a very sad song where he’s basically like on a hike and he’s listening to it and he’s crying listening to Taylor Swift and he’s like and he’s also like very out of character. >> It might be my tears ricochet. That could be that’s a great crying Taylor Swift song. >> And I don’t want to give the I don’t want to do the bit. >> I’m not going to do the bit. Taylor Swift, >> like why he was listening to it, like how he makes it funny. But uh he does >> and uh yeah. Anyway, so >> but you recommend the special? >> I do. I mean, he’s got really insightful commentary into this whole like how we got to where we’re at and the part that comedy played in it. >> And he’s got some pretty insightful biting commentary. And now they’re getting I I’ve see a few of the they’re getting a little upset. You know, they’re starting to bite back a little bit cuz he upset him because he’s like he’s legit guy and they had to listen to him. Anyway, >> one of the ones >> Taylor Swift made him cry. >> Yeah. One of the ones that’s coming up is Bigger than the whole sky. >> Oo. Oh, yeah. That’s a good one. Yeah. I I loved you bigger than the whole sky. That’s that’s a really Yeah, that’ll that’s a good Taylor Swift cry. Um, also adding praying by Kesha, Million Reasons by Lady Gaga. That’s another good one. Sorry, I’m giving It’s all It’s all ladies. It’s all the ladies. Keep them coming. >> Make you cry. >> Any more? >> Let’s see. >> I like Somebody Else by the 1975. >> That’s a good one. If you know the person that broke up with you moved on right away. >> Okay. Yeah. >> Um, and then anything by cigarettes after sex. Even if it’s a somewhat happy song, like there that music will just get you in your feels. >> That’s just that’s just break up wallowing in. >> Yeah. Even if it’s like happy in the lyrics, you feel like you’re getting broken up with. It’s just like, >> okay. >> Yeah. >> There you have it. See if we helped you out. All right. Well, let’s say one more. >> Hey y’all. Calling in with an update. Uh just letting you know that uh uh back in March I said that my nephew was going to possibly be named Lester. Well, baby Lawson has been born and we’re all very happy. Just wanted to let you know. Thanks for your advice. Bye. >> Yeah. You know, I said it before, I’ll say it again. I think the world could use less Lusters, >> right? >> That’s what I said and I’m said it again. >> Lawson. >> Lawson. I like that. >> Lawson. Lawson, I think, is a very buttoned up name. >> Lawson. >> Lawson. Well, it has the word law in it. So then you start thinking like >> has son in it. >> Litigation. Lawyer. You’re not asking for feedback on this, but I’m just saying it’s a very buttoned up name. Lawson. I don’t know. It just seems like this kid has the top button button. Literally, this kid might wear a tie to school. like the um the Ben Stiller character in Royal Tenon Bombs could have been named Lawson. >> Is an L name that I haven’t heard much >> which I like. >> Is Lawson a last name? >> Yeah. >> I want to think that it’s a last name. >> Got to be. >> Got to be. >> It’s a last name that become became a first name. >> I think I had a teacher named Mrs. Lawson. I mean, it’s better than Clawson. >> Clausing >> the pickles. >> Oh, >> Lawson. Law. Son. >> You. >> What are you calling for short? >> You can’t. >> L. Can’t do that. Son, you can do that, but it’s just another sign. >> It It’s unshortenable. >> Lossy. >> That’s what I was thinking too. I was like, it’s shortenable. >> Lawson. Lossy. Lasso. Lasso. Just take the N off. >> It’s tough. >> Maybe that’s the pro. Maybe that’s why it’s so buttoned up. >> But we’ve got >> unortars. It’s like laws. >> Yeah. >> That’s not going to I’m I’m not feeling it. >> I think that’s what >> it sounds like you’re saying Lars with a speech impediment. >> It’s a last name that you cannot nickname. Therefore, you’re backed into this like complete pronunciation corner. And >> so we’re calling for a rename, >> I think. >> Is that what you’re saying? We’re calling >> I hope you have a really loose dudish kind of a middle name that’s just like what’s the loosest kind of name that’s like bra kind of a kind of a vibe. >> B Sandy Lawson and Sandy. That’s a horrible name. Well, it doesn’t go together, but I’m just saying Sandy is a loose name. It sounds like a nickname already, you know. Bud buddy. Lawson buddy, but it really needs to be one syllable. Lawson Tim is short for Timothy. Maybe no middle names. Middle names are overrated. Who needs them? Some cultures don’t even have them. What about Craig Lawson? Lawson, the middle name. >> Well, they probably already did this. Whatever it was, it has probably already been done. >> The child exists >> and we’re just given an update >> and has been legally named. >> There’s no open questions. >> And I when you said Lawson, I liked it and then Link started making me question it. But I don’t think that that’s how names work. I just think that names are like, how does it sound the first time you hear it? You like it? It’s that’s all that’s that’s what people are going to think. >> People don’t sit around and think about your name that much, >> right? It’s like I never think about the fact that your name is Vuvius. Like >> isn’t that like a antique volcano? >> Yeah. Most most volcanoes are antique. >> Yeah. It’s like were you named after a >> Yeah. They’re all pretty old. Most volcanoes are probably older than most furniture. >> Yeah. >> Oh, yeah. All furniture. I would say >> if lands >> all volcanoes are older than all furniture. That’s probably not true. There’s probably a volcano that just formed up. >> No, but you’re saying if if land forms were furniture, volcanoes will be lamps. >> Because of the shape? >> No, man. >> And the light that comes out of them. >> Because of just the It’s like you go in an antique store, what you going to see? You’re going to see, oh, there’s a lamp. There’s fire coming out of it, but >> it’s a lava lamp. You >> be >> sorry. I hate myself. >> Antique lava lamp. >> I liked it. >> Lawson, >> see, we got an apology out of Jenn. I’ll tell you, >> those are rare. Those are rare. >> I would like to apologize to the painter. >> Well, you don’t have to. You don’t have to bring it back out. Everybody’s forgetting about it. >> Okay. I would like to apologize to the the the sweatpants wearing artist. >> Okay. >> And I would like to express gratitude to you for listening. >> Good, good, good. >> And invite you to call us because there’s things Rhett needs to be corrected on. And and you know what? Yep. >> There could you could leave a voicemail to make me feel better about who I am. >> Yep. He needs that. >> Yeah. From somebody. >> He needs that. He doesn’t hear that enough in the comments. >> 1888 >> earpod one and we’ll speak at you next week. >> What’s up written link? This is Corey. I just finished watching the latest episode of Wonderhole and oh my god they got my boy Link. I ain’t expected to get my boy. It’s a hot tub with a saliva slurry. Amazing details. You guys comedic genius is untouchable. Keep going. I love your work. >> Watch Link Versus Lily: Last One Standing. Episode 1’s out now at mythicalsocciety.com.