[Music] welcome to ear biscuits I’m Rhett and I’m link joining us today at the round table of dimmed lighting is vlogger gamer and creative one of the fastest growing YouTube channels out there today mark fischbach AKA markiplier markiplier his unique approach to let’s play style videos has exploded all over the interwebs earning him four and a half million subscribers last year alone Wow here’s a clip of Mark playing the insanely popular and very scary five nights at freddys if I didn’t want to stay the first night why would I stay any more than five why would I stay more than his rise a youtube fame can be attributed to many things one of them is his amazing voice that clip didn’t really do it justice because he was yelling a lot but you’ll know what I mean when you hear him in this biscuit his voice will tickle your ears tickle-tickle-tickle after spending some time with mark we not only got to know him better personally but we really found this to be a case study in connecting with your audience beyond his amazing voice his success is also a result of how open and even vulnerable he is the viewers get more than just a walkthrough of a video game they actually get to know this guy on a personal level because he isn’t afraid to wear his heart on his sleeve in this biscuit we talked with mark about our shared experience of swinging on vines as kids his emotional final moments with his father the events that led mark to start creating let’s play videos and how I read it post propelled him to internet fame and why he chooses to share so much of his personal life with his fans we’re really super excited to share our time with Mark with you but first we want to remind you that you can support this show by checking out lynda.com/rhettandlink ly nd a.com ret a nd link whether you want to take better photos or shoot better videos learn programming skills to develop your own mobile app or edit your own video footage using Final Cut Pro or premiere lynda.com offers thousands 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person and one of the things that has taken me a long time to realize it’s just the kind of influence that I have and also the kind of feedback I get from my fans so the reason that I cried well the most recent recent reason I cried was for my 6 million subscriber video or yes the fan the fan video yeah like they made a music yeah yeah and it was it was interesting because that hit me so hard because the music that was played there was a cover of a game that I played which related back it was called to the moon I don’t know if you either of you have ever played the game it’s a rather small indie game but it’s about a dying old man who wants to relive his life and remake the choices that he’s made and the mistakes that he’s made and going back into his path while really cool it was a very deep game very good game too highly recommend it very narrative-driven but that’s beside the point the song from the climax of that game was what was covered and when I heard it like before I started recording my reaction to it I it opened up and I heard like the first word and I just went oh now here they come Wow God so I got turned on my camera so everything right so you weep like a baby and you so you you knew that you couldn’t pre watch it you had to get that so you if you were gonna cry you can’t have yeah you don’t have to recruit court your first reactor yeah yeah I don’t leave anything on the table I’m all raw all the time whenever I record my videos but that was actually a promise that I made to that particular channel because they made a 5 million video for me and I didn’t record my reaction because I didn’t have internet at the time so I just watched it anyway it was very touching but not like this one was because when I’m even thinking about it now it’s kind of making me a little weepy you’re gonna see me cry here but do it no no but just it was the fact that I saw so many of my fans in one place and each of them took up maybe like a tenth of a second but I still saw them and they I I mean I knew they took the time 6 million times 10 seconds a tenth of a second Oh God 10 seconds of peace I would be incredible but yeah just the fact that there were 649 people in that video Wow 649 out of 6 million people was such an astronomically huge difference and yet in this video seeing all those people in one really got to me and when the song came on because the game reminded me of my own family and hi lost my dad when I was 18 and how like in the game there was a question of the brother and I have a brother that I care very much for so the game hit me very hard when I heard that music over what I was seeing it was just it was too much and it hit me really hard in my heart and it just made me realize how lucky I was to be where I was and the video that I did before that where I cried again like a little baby was for my actual 6,000,000 and I was or Noah’s for five million that’s right every million subscribers you cry up pretty much yeah well because I’m honored I’m very very on Shore what happened but the reason that particular one was so important to me is because when I look back at all the subscribers I have I remember the early times and you guys probably remember the early times in your channel when you had a one-on-one conversation with a lot of your fans and you were able to talk with them and one of the things that hit me hardest was I had recently been getting a lot of emails from fans I’ve been making a concerted effort to try to read through some of the emails and it really really hit me and I had to rerecord that video like 10 times because I couldn’t get through it I was crying so much and it was because I read emails of people that were fans of me when I had just started YouTube and it was from their family members who said that my videos helped them out in the last moments of their life and that hundreds and hundreds of fans who were there with me in the beginning my channel are now gone they died in the progress of me getting to this point and they didn’t care that I was a huge channel and they didn’t care that I had 5 million subscribers they cared that I was able to give them some joy in their life when they were at their last moments and that really really resonated with me and and gave me meaning because you know III recalled in the video that because I talked about a lot about losing my dad because I was there and I was there through the whole process and I was able to see what happened to him and I visualized that when I think of fans that I’ve lost along the way I think of how how scared they were and how they were surrounded by family and those who loved them and even though I’m not connected to them in any way I don’t know you don’t know them personally exactly if you have such a connection and you know I certainly want to explore your journey as the creator to to bring along and amass such a such an audience that is so connected to you and it goes both ways I mean like you get the impression you’re not the only one crying but like you said it’s a fascinating story that we want to unpack and kind of step back through with your dad and all these things you’re mentioning because on the surface well it’s just a gamer gentlemen you’re just a guy who plays video games an outsider would say yeah so I we do want to explore that and we also want to explore a range of emotions here you know we’ve talked about wearing your heart on your sleeve let’s get back there but also another emotion extreme pain I know have you recovered from your 5 million scoville experiment so yeah it was it was you decided give us the backstory on this hot sauce video um my fascination with hot sauce started with hot pepper gaming and I actually mentioned this last year when I first met you I I loved the video you did with the Ghost Pepper yeah how you did you do the Ghost Pepper at the same time of year yes you both did the Ghost Pepper and I loved loved that video and I started out with a habanero so I didn’t go as extreme but after that I got this addiction and I found this sauce that was about 2 million scovilles and I accidentally did an ice cream scoops worth because I didn’t have normal spoons so I might as well that’s a problem yeah that’s a bad thing you’re only supposed to use a drop of that but I use like a full teaspoon of 2 million Scoville hot sauce and it almost killed me I like how your verb is you used it you’re not tasting you know drying it you used it for views like we did for something else it was a mixture of I knew people wanted to see it but I knew people didn’t want me to do it and that only pushed me to do it even more just to like show them like ha you can’t control me I did it anyway ah crap and what was that what sauce was the 2 million do you remember have these crazy names yeah it was called the hottest sauce in the universe version 2 so it beat its previous version somehow it upended itself yeah and this is the one in the most recent no this was in the previous one most recent 5 million yeah it came in a coffin it was that bad I’ve been in a store and seeing that yeah the one that was waxey Gordon it was and it’s like called Satan’s blood or something I can’t remember even what the name was I don’t even know if I read it on camera but yeah some like that 2 layers of wax I had to get a knife and just peel off and peel and struck it but you took a smaller and you went with just a fork yeah I took two prongs of a fork and I dipped it in and that’s all I did it was just as bad like just those two prongs probably equated to the same as what I did before but I was mentally prepared for it so even you did it because you had a head cold yes exactly man you wanted the views yeah pretty much like I took a picture of this like two months prior and people are like don’t do it for two months like bringing it up every once a while I’m just reminding me that I needed to do it now I’m like fine screw it why not at my lowest point when I’m sick and I feel awful why not kick myself in the ass because I am a true masochist in that respect and I so so didn’t want to do that that morning and then I had the idea and then I had to do it so were you rewarded for your investment for my investment of my sauce did it get rid of your cold no it made it worse I felt so bad after that because the same thing AB the first time I did the two million odd sauce I felt fine thirty minutes after I did the sauce yeah and two hours later it dropped into my lower intestine oh yeah like spongebob with the pie bomb it dropped down and exploded and I wounded up everything seizes up you go into the fetal position right yeah on naked on the bathroom floor yes that’s where I was and it didn’t happen that bad I was not naked because you because it was a less lorem yeah it wasn’t as much so it kind of went away quicker but I was still like oh no fell on ground got trashcan was ready like I’m ready for this I know what’s up but you didn’t ratch did you no no I didn’t throw up that time oh it’s horrible if you do that oh it hurts worse coming up the first time yeah when I was naked on the bathroom floor yes absolutely I don’t know what the rating of this podcast is so I won’t go into vivid details of what happened on that floor but can you can just let us know okay I was naked on the floor why are you naked I don’t know that’s the weirdest thing because somehow like I I was in the bathroom and I was throwing up and I thought it would feel better if I was not wearing clothes cuz I was sweaty I was stable yeah yeah yeah primal – you lose all discretion when you’re in my Spain yeah if only I had a camera would recorded it all put on YouTube for the delicious views but no I was i somehow it took off all my clothes and decided that i needed to lay down and it was so horrible because I thought I was gonna die my phone was upstairs no one else was there I knew like known in the area you thought seriously maybe I need a call like yes 9-1-1 yeah but I didn’t because you know because then you’d be a story a news story yeah yeah I want to die with some dignity when you’re throwing it up it burns again oh yeah yeah did any look I was so scared because I drank like a half a gallon of milk that’ll do it to four and that probably would made my stomach feel so bad and then bananas are the key bananas are the key yeah yeah yeah I will save that for the next summer I need a couple of bananas before and after and it really helps I think you ate eight before the Carolina Reaper I ate three before and two or three after link ate one before and none after because he doesn’t like bananas it’ll fade thirteen hours after we ate the Carolina Reaper which is two million Scoville yes he was in the fetal position he was not naked if he had a gun nigga I would’ve left the room so crazy but then with this the five no he didn’t vomit but did it burn when you pooped yes of course yeah that’s like a natural occurrence like with a habanero yeah burn Ring of Fire yeah oh man just the day after because the day after was even worse cuz I had a charity livestream the day after and I don’t know why I decided to punish myself so severely the day before this livestream but I only lasted three and a half hours on the livestream but luckily we hit our goal in like an hour and a half so I was clear I could get out of there but I felt so bad for so many reasons and the goal was uh we were raising money for the depression and bipolar support alliance we’re trying fifty four thousand dollars was our goal we raise $75,000 wow really cool awesome let’s get any process a little bit before we go into your background um you release to let’s play videos a day yes yes five or seven days a week all days seven days a week seven days a week and I mean do you have a backlog of these things uh no actually um because I like to stay on top of games that come out more and because there are less games to come out it’s hard to get the games that I want to play now literally I could play anything I wanted people would probably still watch it but I like to stay recent and play a very select band of games because like people come to see me but they also come to see the games like the games got to be cool and with the way my life works I have so many other aspects that I’m trying to do because somebody of mine some buddies of mine just came in from South Carolina and they want to do sketch comedy and I want to do sketch comedy with them so I’m dedicating a big chunk of my time working with them now and because I where are you finding that time usually in between everything else in my life like eating and sleeping I just sacrificed that and then I slot that in there so you don’t you don’t sleep not as much as I used to and you’re you’re picking the right games but every day you’re playing you’re playing two sessions yeah or I mean do you have to play more if you don’t get what you need kind of a thing yeah no no that’s totally possible I have a I have a folder of games that people are very curious about that I will never ever post because they’re either terrible about terrible things I played like an Isis simulator game and I don’t even know why I tried it was so terrible like just so wrong in every way I couldn’t actually get through the whole thing who makes these things it’s just on the internet like their indie game site and game jams all the time where people just spend 24 hours to make a crap game but sometimes gems like surgeon simulator or something like that will come out of it and it’ll be a great game that people love to see because it’s unique and interesting so you gotta take risks and be like okay I don’t know what this is about but maybe it’s a joke that game was not a joke like it was absolutely not a joke at all not funny in any way so never gonna get put up and there’s a lot of occurrences like that of jumpin and then they have to chuck them and then it’s other again other times where I’m recording like a 45 minute episode because I’m playing a longer game or I’m trying to get through it or I’m playing a game that is an hour and a half and I didn’t know it was an hour and a half going into it so you know it’s always a surprise in it so so a lot of the times you are actually discovering the game for the for the first time in the video I mean this is your authentic experience it’s not let me check this game out let me see my angle is gonna be no no you very rarely unless it’s something that’s pre planned out beforehand which it hardly ever happens I like to go into games completely blind because that gets like it gets authenticity out of me and I never want to put up anything fake on my YouTube channel like people will say or look at my channel from a bird’s eye view and be like ah he sometimes like fakes reactions or whatever but the honest truth is that that’s actually just who I am and I’m trying my best to make sure that everything I do is as authentic as possible so what’s your day-to-day like uh schedule I mean today I got up at 4:30 today because I accidentally took a day off yesterday and I had to record videos for my 8:00 a.m. release and my noon release but unfortunately I had a meeting with like an accountant and I had a doctor’s appointment this morning so I had to cram all that in before 8 a.m. get that done and up and then both videos yeah both videos get them recorded done I hoped and hoped that they were good videos and they were what kinda so I just threw them up and that was it this is not how every day goes this is just an example of what today happened to be can you schedule them so they come out at different times during the day yeah you just throw them up eight and twelve I think it’s about eight and twelve usually that’s why I’m trying to do since this year I tried to do that but I I just spend a lot of time recording it at anything because I don’t have an editor I’m a team of one I do all the scouting for games I do the recording and then I do the editing afterwards and it’s just kind of an endeavor but every day it’s an interesting adventure because I built my life around this schedule but I’m going to have to get ahead of it at some point or else I’m going to lose my mind and you keep it pretty raw in terms of your not junk cutting to just all the the best parts I mean you’re a lot of times you’ll just kind of play right through yeah not not all the time I do for certain games but yeah I like to give people more of a more of a view of the game itself and like the whole aspect of it because people will say and I totally understand for optimizing on YouTube you need to have it a certain length it can only be so long it can only be the best bits you need to jump cut everywhere to make sure that people are always engaged and I do it to some extent just if I’m totally silent obviously cut them out or if I’m lost I’ll cut that out but I’ve always found that people liked the whole experience and because I’m very good at talking like that’s when my one skill I can talk for hours on it if you let this podcast run for like 14 hours and you left at some point I would still be talking about crap by the time you got back but like since that’s my skill I can do that and I can go outside my life but people do enjoy that but let’s talk about the talking you you’ve got like a radio voice in your vlog it sticks its ticularly goes tickling my ears right now in this microphone and these these headphones I definitely feel like maybe this is a radio show and you’re the host and we’re the guests I mean I don’t want to do a hostile takeover of your show but if the fans demanded I sure will I’m totally okay with that but no yeah I’ve always been told that I had a radio voice and it’s the weirdest thing too because in high school I was very shy I never spoke but occasionally when you have to do like public readings or you have to read an expert in class I would actually say something and people would turn to me and be like oh my god you had that voice this whole time and you didn’t do anything in a big yeah don’t look at me cuz I couldn’t bring myself to be anything outgoing in high school did you have a really awkward voice change because a guy with a voice like yours usually there was a head part and you know or was it gradual as far as I know it came out of the womb sounding like this so I can’t really tell yeah and what was the turning point to where you became a talker if that wasn’t in high school was it when you started playing video games I think actually yeah because I’ve always been quiet in whatever I do up until this point like since I started doing YouTube I did it as a way to force myself to talk every day because originally when I did YouTube I didn’t want to do YouTube like one of my biggest inspirations and I actually got to meet him recently is Freddie Wong because I loved loved the videos that he did and I loved the special effects special effects yeah comic viral video yeah I love that aspect of it and I love the creativity behind it I watched all his behind the scenes stuff and I was like I can do this I can do this I didn’t even know how to hold a camera so I couldn’t set up a shot I couldn’t light it I couldn’t get audio correct I couldn’t do anything like that so I was like okay what can I do I’ve been told I have a good voice my whole life what can force me to talk I didn’t even know what Let’s Plays were before I did them my brother is actually the one that I credit me actually doing Let’s Plays because he watched them but the weirdest thing is he watched silently Let’s Plays which aren’t around like just watching the game itself so I was like oh wait I just didn’t know that his mute was on ER no no he just liked seeing the game for the game like he didn’t actually like people talking because back then there weren’t these energetic commentators there weren’t personalities talking over like me and thought to be honest I wouldn’t want to talk over some of the games that he watches just cuz the game itself is actually very interesting and fun to play but was it but when you started doing it did you discover a hidden gift of gab like that you could just fill space with talking or did you can we look back from the beginning of your channel and see that it you develop the muscles very developed because if you go back you’ll notice that I’m a sound kinda similar but my voice is way higher pitch and my pauses are awkward and I can’t come up with the things to say like I didn’t have a bag of tricks like I kind to do now and even though I want to take improv classes because I have not tooken taken to any professional training and I think that would lead a lot to me being able to craft jokes better especially when I’m talking but over time it’s all self taught and took a lot of learning well describe the bag of tricks give us open the bag open the bag I could hardly tell you a lot of dick jokes just endless dick jokes yeah you make a dick joke it’ll be funny I’m sure you guys as professional entertainer comedians you know it’s just a bag of dicks but no I mean it’s all about letting your mind go into the game and I think this is one of my best aspects when I comes to me personally playing games I open myself up to it I let myself go into the world and I live as best I can in the in the game and in the moment so to speak yeah exactly so you is you you forget the audience is there or I’m always mindful that they’re there and you know I do the I look at the camera whenever I can yeah but sometimes and I’ll quote a game or I’ll remember a game specifically that I played it was called presentable Liberty it was game where you were locked in a cell for like five days and you had no contact with anyone you were just in the cell and it was like a four foot by six foot cell barren walls but the only way you communicated with people was by them sending you letters that slid in under your door every once in a while and a lot of people didn’t have the same response as I did but when I played the game because I get so into it I felt alone and I felt like my only connection to another human being was through these letters of people that I didn’t know so I had like this weird inner struggle where I knew this was game and I knew this wasn’t real and I knew even if this was real these people probably weren’t real and it was all staged because it seemed fake but I cared because the premise was that the entire world was dying you committed to it yeah I committed to entered it I felt like the world was ending and I felt like these people that I barely knew were dying and I care so what was the result more crying I didn’t cry in that one like I cried a lot of my videos but not all of them but I had this existential crisis like I literally was freaking out and I couldn’t handle the idea that I was sitting in a room alone recording a video playing a game where I was sitting in a room alone yeah it was weird but is that role play were you wigging out were you role-playing wigging out were you acting I was really wigging out like I was honestly truly having a crisis in my mind and and like people were saying like how can you respond that way it was like because I live the games I play and it doesn’t always happen because games can take me out of things very quickly if they’re the wrong type but this one hit all the right buttons for me but doesn’t the line get blurred when you are doing it for your own entertainment but also for the entertainment of others right especially when you develop this bat to bag of tricks and the craft that you have where okay this many million people are watching me do this I mean I I can say we relate to that there’s a I made myself I’m not being dishonest but I’m not talking to link the way that I would talk to him if no one was watching oh yeah yeah no that’s totally true like if I wasn’t recording I wouldn’t be saying anything out loud because I have no reason to but because I’ve been good point ya seem crazy otherwise but because I’m recording and because it’s become so autonomous for me to record and talk at the same time I can also get lost and I can start talking to myself when there’s no reason I should be talking and how would you describe that guy like if you didn’t know you and you saw you playing a video game and you had to describe you to someone else you would say this guy talks like this acts like this but what is your perception of yourself um I would say this is a guy who is extremely energetic and loud and I’m very conscious of how I look from the outside after I’m done recording but when I’m recording I try to get into it but if I was describing myself seeing myself alone in the room I would question that well I think a lot of people would I think that’s a natural question the question wasn’t going already yeah exactly performance yeah exactly because from the outside perspective looking at that on the inside and this is what I try to remember when I get criticism like people say like hey this is not real at all and I’m like you’re actually right like it’s totally not what would happen in normal life or everyday Society if you were playing a game alone but the way it happens but you wouldn’t be watching it that’s what yeah exactly like if someone just like slack-jawed at a screen like it wouldn’t be all that entertaining to watch although I know my fans would probably still watch it I’m still very mindful like I totally understand like the question asking any it’s totally true it touches very much on the conundrum that we as let’s players face like what is real what is fake what is our personality and what is our show you know and my goal is just to like blend them together as much as possible because when I see that like when I see that I see someone who is very energetic and probably not what would really happen but when I’m in there and when I’m recording nothing else matters coz case in point the voice you know we talked about your voice but then there’s you know you go into a characterization you describe it oh yeah yeah no III talk more animatedly it’s even happening with you like when you first met me I’ve had hand in my pockets yeah quiet voice but it it’s a weird switch that gets flipped and it’s like I know that I need to talk and I know there are other people that are gonna be listening to this so I need to be careful about the words I choose and I need to be mindful of what I say and how I behave but also at the same time like if you ask my friends how I act among them you would kind of get the same reaction just because I’m very comfortable in doing that and I’m very comfortable and when I play games with friends probably like you could do a shout and scream and I like yell at them even though they may be quieter than I am but I just love the boisterous aspect of it being together on a couch and playing games but what was the question I I do this I ramble it I think you’ve answered it I answered it oh yeah I think it’s fascinating your perception of yourself yeah yeah it but I think it’s it’s really a you’re giving a description of the artistry that that is let’s play and being good at it and captivating an audience and being true to yourself channeling the part of yourself that’s gonna connect with an audience and walking the line between performance in reality and I just think that’s fascinating especially for people who aren’t fans and again they’re Outsiders who are just thinking okay yeah he just he commentates over over plenty of videos you know Outsiders myself included too if you just until you experience it and you become a committed fan it’s just it’s kind of it’s it’s a different art form that maybe at least I think this description can help Outsiders appreciate it yeah yeah and it’s good because I’ve never actually talked about it from this perspective you guys are given me because I know that you guys probably don’t watch my videos at all and a lot of people don’t watch my videos or don’t like my videos and I’m totally okay with that I’m totally fine Let’s Plays are not for everyone they’re not the entertainment that a lot of people need but once people I’ve noticed this transition once people actually do get into my videos and do get a phantom they also have a switch that gets flipped and they’re like oh I see it now I see why people like this and why I can enjoy this and well so there’s a there’s a part of what you’re kind of getting at which is authenticity and it’s interesting because you have a desire to maintain authenticity you’re admitting that okay guys I I’m not gonna be completely if I’m a hundred percent authentic then I would sit here slack-jawed staring at the game yeah that’s not gonna be entertaining so you are you know playing a role so that people will be will get into it and want to enjoy it but you’re being yourself and you’ve made this conscious decision to insert your your life into your channel in a way that other gamers have it and I want to get to that but let’s get into that life a little bit now getting back to your story there’s an interesting thing that we have in common is that you swung on vines in the woods as a child and that was like one of our number one pastimes growing up together oh we heard that in your draw my life video when living in Ohio you go into the forest back there I lived in a house where there was woods behind and back in Ohio you know you don’t get that out here you don’t get just woods that you can go into and get lost for hours and not be kidnapped and murdered we were just able to go out there have the time of our lives break all bones in our body and just be kids out in the woods so we would go out and we didn’t have like tools to cut vines so we would use sharp rocks and then we’d find or you caveman on it yeah we had machetes you had machetes yeah you were allowed machetes as children I don’t think we told anybody okay bin Greenwood I got hold of some machete his dad’s machete yeah we scavenged everything we got old pocket knives and we’ve once found a like a hand saw that we tried to use but it broken shards went everywhere so you had vines everywhere yeah would you know they would they would grow from the base right and you and shot you would I always thought they are my thing is you know you kill the vine in order to then enjoy enjoy then it’s gonna you know a month later you can’t swing on that vine anymore because you you chopped it off at the base and you killed it but you can’t get a bucket of water and stick the vine in the bucket of water in between and alas weeks longer I don’t think we never see this children ever thought of me and Ben did that you did that but I’m Ben so well this is a goodbye I mean yeah we had some epic swings like over over the edge one of the larger the biggest injuries I ever got was and I think I still carry it with me the scars to this day of that’s why I have back problems is being mid-swing on one that went out over a dirt road and it snapped at its full height and I landed on my tailbone from probably ten feet up oh yeah and then he just he like rides around on the ground screaming cursing and Ben and I just kind of looked at him and laughed I’m laughing now I don’t know why kid in pain hahaha did you ever get hurt oh not me but my friend did like it’s the same thing Avenue at the apex of his swing he snapped but he went into thorn bushes so he was a lot better off than okay yeah he just got cut up and cried like a baby whatever did you get semi naked like Tarzan or when you were eating like hot peppers no no no nothing like that we didn’t neither yeah okay just checking well we wouldn’t tell you if we did yes I have a lot of funny stories from those times we once found of old VHS tape that said I forget the name of it but it was very obviously a porn tape okay and we didn’t understand how VHS is work we thought they were film strips that you could like pull out and see oh we like tucked under our shirt and went back home and we’re like oh my god you found it in the woods yeah in the woods the woods randomly so we went down the basement turned off all the lights got some flashlights and really Holly there’s got to be crazy we really ate at the time we didn’t you understand what porn even was except that it was we weren’t allowed to see it so we pull all the magnetic strip out like idiots we could just pop it in the VCR but no we pull and we take a flashlight and we shine it through really yeah what wait a minute wait can’t see anything oh no yeah we couldn’t see a damn thing because that’s not how VHS has worked they’re magnetic strips and and there was a VTR like literally for me oh it was so close but I think it was like dirt on the VHS and we didn’t want to get dirt in the VHS you know for some reason and we were trying to create a projector yeah yeah did not work that way we were eight at the time okay we did not think things through did we and this is Ohio right yeah yeah we would find pieces of porn in the wood man-like magazine not hold magazines like papers and parts of like trash pile abandoned porn Abby in porn as as adolescence oh that’s that’s a shame they probably discovered the Internet I don’t need this anymore free internet oh okay how old you were people are throw in the woods yeah maybe they didn’t like a particular girl on a page just ripped it out threw it away so paint a picture of growing up okay all right growing up Ohio kind of rural but you moved from Hawaii yes well yeah to Ohio because my dad was in the military and that’s why I was on Hawaii and that’s why my brother’s born in Massachusetts because I was only born 23 months later exactly in Hawaii so we moved very quickly from place to place and then he left the military and apparently I was wrong because I confirmed this just recently we didn’t go to Ohio right away we went to someplace else that I don’t know to stay with family and then we moved to Ohio so grew up in Ohio I had no idea what Hawaii was like so I didn’t have any chance to miss it grew up in a very very rural area you know in the suburbs woods very isolated very fun I thought it was greatest thing in the world had no idea the scope of the world until I went to Korea my parents were getting divorced and that was very sad and whatnot but it was probably for the best they got divorced and then you know we were spending a lot more time with each parent and so I got the Asian side from my mom and a lot of the Asian experience and I got to understand what that meant that I was half asian and then I got my dad’s side which was very American you know he was as American as it comes he’s a military man very proud of America and all that stuff so I got two sides of that and I got a very broad perspective early early on of people can come from anywhere and people can be anything but when I faced like in schools and those type of towns you face a little bit of racism if you’re just a little bit not white then that’s just enough to hate you yeah so some people like we’re very racist towards how bad did that get it was more it was worse towards my brother because he had more Asian features growing up than I did so he his own teachers would like openly discriminate against in class and belittle him and berate him and mostly because they didn’t like our mother who was very very much the typical Korean mother and if you know a Korean mother you know what they’re like and she was exactly like that and and that bled into our lives but as we grew up it got less and less I don’t know if because the world became more understanding or just because we grew more into our white features or something like that but you know it always stuck with us a little bit you know if you grew into your white features I think so yes I think that actually is a thing that can happen it became more white in a weird way yes actually I would honestly say that’s true because me and my brother looked very similar when we were kids and we both look very Asian but people who meet me today it’s like a 50/50 chance if they think I’m just pure white or if I if I have any Asian in me they’re surprised you know it’s a big toss-up but early on it was much more distinct but that didn’t stop like Asian jokes and whatnot but I don’t really care you know it’s solely fine racism happens I’m not saying that I I need to be a charity case just because I had racism and it’s affected me it really didn’t but your mom took you to Korea yeah that’s what a stripper like you were living there uh we took trips for a few weeks at a time because we had family in Korea she was the only daughter of seven that moved to America because my grandparents on that side actually have a very interesting story they were originally in North Korea before the Korean War and they were right on the border of China like way way way up north and they came from a very wealthy well-off family they had everything they needed my grandpa had a beautiful wife and lots of inheritance and then he heard from his buddies in the American armies that was going down like things were getting bad so he basically said to his family like if you won’t come with me I am leaving and they didn’t come with him so he left everything behind my skids everything he only took the wife he had no kids at that time he just actually married he grabbed his wife my grandmother and ran down south on foot all the way down to Seoul Korea which is where they live outside of or they lived outside of Seoul Korea and that’s just what happened they cut off all ties and year later war was broken out borders drawn and he never saw his family again Wow yeah just for the rest of his life he never saw a single member of his family so you were going back and gaining an appreciation for this stuff with your haven’t your parents haven’t split up mmm yeah yeah because that gave me another world view to like oh I guess relationships don’t last forever or something like I don’t know if that’s bled into my life now probably has in some way and I have deep-seated issues about that but I think in a way it was actually better for me to see that early on and understand it because I’ve always been inquisitive and I like I’ve always been trying to appreciate things from a whole view and that’s why I tried to do with my channel today I try to appreciate everything that I see from a whole view and look at it from all angles because that’s why I look at myself and I’m able to appreciate the perspective of someone doesn’t like Let’s Plays they can see that I’m you know it I wouldn’t do this normal circumstances but that all led into me growing up in this rather diverse rather multi-location childhood with your so you were it was shared custody or you did you live with your dad lived with my dad mostly which was actually unusual yeah how is that how that decision made um well I actually I don’t know the specifics of it I was only put in like brought into court it like once or twice just of like how old were you that no I can’t actually remember maybe I was younger than that maybe this was like seven but in the end it was just like my mom thought it would be better if I live with my dad late years later she would regret it and then she’d accept it because she thinks like nowadays if I have my mom she thinks that I was better off for growing up with my dad because he taught me he was like the greatest dad in the world like he taught me such to keep such an open mind about things in I wish I could have asked him more stuff down the road after I had really grown up and found myself when I was like 22 is about the time that I really started discovering myself I wish I could have asked him so much more but that’s in the past I can’t do that when did when did he it sounds like you were really close to him oh yeah absolutely yeah he was he was the smartest man I knew in the most understanding man I knew and probably still to this day like I don’t know person who was more wise and more and had a better perspective davonne the entire world than my dad and it sucks because I would want to ask him so many things but what was the circumstances of his passing oh he had cancer like and he’ll he’ll only he would have only blamed himself because he was a smoker for 46 years he started when he was 14 and even though he quit like eight years before he actually got cancer you know he kind of accepted that I he did this to himself so I really saw was emphysema or lung cancer lung cancer like straight up lung cancer that spread to a few different places that it was how are you when he was diagnosed I I think I was 17 I I just turned ya know I was just about to turn 18 so I think it was 17 when he was diagnosed and that was really hard for me to take at that point just cuz you know the person who I understood as the person I wanted to be was dying and I saw him waste away basically from the very outgoing very strong character that he was to and anyone who has experienced anyone with cancer would know this to just how they waste away as a person and eventually just kind of fade away and did not the person that you remember okay and how long of a process was that it was it was over a year but that year went by so quickly just to see it all happened I was just going into college to which really took a toll because I had this college relationship or high school relationship that ended before college and that’s totally fine like we moved on no relationship survives really from that perspective but that on top of my dad was suffering through school and I didn’t perform as well as I did and then I got bad grades and my dad was disappointed in me and I felt so terrible because look I wish I’d tried harder and then I made a concerted effort to do that but just seeing the process by which my dad kind of you know just drifted away from the person I knew but still what was the final you know how did it resolve were you there I was there yeah I was there when he when he died it was a very scary time and you know I was lucky enough to be there when he died even though it was very scary to see I would always rather be there in times like that and face it head-on then try to run away from it and not see it because you know you need to you need to be there because it’s another experience in your life that you need to get perspective on because one of the things that iíve been through myself is I have a tumor I had a tumor you know about three-and-a-half years ago and it it along with that made me realize that I’m going to die someday I know this I know full well that I’m going to die I know full well that it’s going to happen probably when I least expected and at the least convenient time in my life and because of that that very much motivates me to do whatever I can now here and now I need to be the best person I can because I won’t have enough time no matter what I do no matter how I approach my life I will not have enough time and no one will no one on this earth will have enough time to do what they need was your tumor cancerous no it was a very rare tumor called a ganglion neuroma which basically means it’s a tumor made of nerve cells it can become cancerous but this one was not so I’m in the clear as far as that goes I seem to have a clean bill of health thus far and medical science only improved so I may not die of something along those lines but how did your account of the experience of your dad passing impact your trajectory um actually that’s that’s a really good question because when he passed I was kind of in a toss-up a won at what I wanted to do in college like the idea of being a youtuber wasn’t even a thing back then maybe the first fledgling youtubers were just starting but they weren’t getting paid for it so it hadn’t even crossed my mind I just knew that whatever I did I needed to try to do it a hundred percent so the year after my dad died the first quarter was very hard but I tried very hard in school and I did very well and I got a very good job and I tried my best at that job even though it was the most boring job that I’ve ever had in my life I tried very hard and I wanted to do the best I could in what I did so I push myself and even though I fell off the horse sometimes and I got a big World of Warcraft stint like that consumed a lot of my life because games have always been a big part of my life I’ve always been a gamer I always wanted to play games so that’s just kind of how it went and then I rolled forward with that until I was kicked in the ass with the tumor and also before that I got laid off from my job and then it’s just kind of compound into this moment where I had this self-reflection and this is what I meant when I said before that I discovered myself when I was like 22 it was after all of the compounded in all this stuff happened to me and all like I had this struggle with why even bother you know everyone has that moment who has pushed past it or let it consume them they have had the why even bother moment and I fortunately enough push past it and a lot of people may not be able to and a lot of people try really hard to do that and by doing what well that’s the thing you don’t know what you what is gonna make you push past it and get the will to keep moving forward or get the will to do something different or take a risk but it’s just the the only thing that question needs to be answered is that I will push past and then everything else is like I don’t know how I don’t know what I’m gonna do I don’t know why I’m even deciding to do this I just need to do something so I tried writing I tried making a webcomic I tried art I dropped out of engineering to pursue like go indoor at school and then I dropped out of that cuz it wasn’t working for me it didn’t feel like what I need but I tried so many things I didn’t find what I wanted to do until like way way later after this but I had the realization before I did YouTube like after all that went down I had the realization and I knew that I don’t know what I want to do the weirdest thought that I’ve had recently was that the some of the greatest artists or people that have the greatest potential to be incredible artists are not artists you know the people that have an incredible potential to be athletes or stuff like that are not athletes they chose something else because that appealed to them or some circumstances put him in that situation they didn’t know that they could because they didn’t try and that’s not a discredit to them they weren’t may have been in the situation but I knew that I was good at something I had to be I had to be great at something and I wanted more desperately than anything in the world to have something that I could say that I was great at so it was more for you was it more about saying finding the thing that you were great at or with finding the thing that you enjoyed the most both I wanted both like it sounds selfish to say I wanted it all but I really did cuz I wasn’t I wasn’t at the point where I was trying to find what was fun I was trying to find what was most satisfying like to me as an individual I didn’t even care about making money off of it really because III I was a college kid I was used to very limited budget I didn’t come from a rich background I actually had a very poor background like a child had grown up like I didn’t have Christmas presents for many Christmases because we didn’t have the money for it or one night and that’s totally fine but you try so you tried a whole bunch of stuff yeah yeah yeah all the time you were very passionate about gaming but you didn’t connect those dots until a while later yeah yeah but you eventually did it obviously so how did that happen well that happened because what like I said my brother brother my brother knew about Let’s Plays and when I was looking at that I was like can they even make money off of it yeah whatever I’ll try cuz I didn’t know I didn’t know that they made money and I picked horror games because I saw this one compilation video which was like a whole bunch of people playing amnesia the Dark Descent and I never played the game before and I never known about the game but I watched that video and it was the funniest thing I’ve ever seen to see people scream like little girls in the face of these monsters and I said like yes I want to make people laugh with my screams of Terror because that is the funniest thing I’ve ever seen and I did that and that’s what I did and I thought it was great and no one watched it really just some of my friends subscribe to me and then I made a compilation because that’s what I wanted to do that’s what I saw I saw a compilation that was really cool and I thought I’d make a compilation and I didn’t even know how I didn’t even know how to cut things together I didn’t even know how to make subtitles so I had to like struggle and learn like just how to put words on a screen was just a challenge for me and then I did it I spent like two days straight no sleep no food just straight-up making this video and I was like yes it’s done I showed it on my brother and my brother laughed and I was like goal accomplished everything I set out to do is done my brother laughed at this it made him laugh I am so happy so I threw it up on my youtube channel and I knew that no one was really watching it and somehow someone found it and someone posted it on Reddit and oh it made it to like number three in videos our videos it made it to number three and I was sitting in the middle of I remember I was sitting in the middle of church then my my mom dragged me to her very very pompous big church so we went there and I was just sitting like bored out of my mind because no one is excited to church and I looked at my phone and my emails were just blowing up how many views are we talking about on that video it got in back then it got a hundred thousand views and for a channel that had no subscribers that was unbeaten yeah not uh twenty probably 2012 no it was 2012 okay yeah so to me that was unheard of like I couldn’t fathom that many people and I it was my first exposure to comments that was not your first video but it was your first college yeah it was first compilation I’ve made like a twelve part series on amnesia and then I made that video so it was like my 13th or something video and now I I read through every single comment and I got the same thing that I get today like oh they’re students faking this little what a bunch of bull and what this guy is the worst and some but some people were like this is really funny and that resonated with me and said did you think okay this is the key I’ve got to compile oh yeah no you’re dead right I thought like oh this is what I wanted to do I gotta do this so like every week I would play a game and then compile it and a play a game and compile it highlight reel yeah exactly highlight reel stuff and I thought that was really cool because it condensed everything that I did four hours into one cool video and people can enjoy it but I never got the same response so I’d never got posted to Reddit again and it never got the big blowing up and I was like oh man I thought they were good enough but it wasn’t that they were good enough it was just the timing thing in the look but was it for something to blow up on reddit was it a specific speculation about by you being nuts or something I mean it for something to really resonate on the video subreddit mm-hmm there had to have been something more than it was just this guy’s funny right no that was that was it that was it and I was so honored because the the good comments on that were like people actually left and it wasn’t it wasn’t a cynical speculation of something that no no no I didn’t intend that wasn’t it at all okay good it was pure and simple people found it entertaining and that’s what set a spark in me and even after the other videos didn’t get the huge response there were people that saw my first video that subscribe to me and we’re now commenting on a regular basis saying like dude you’re funny your voice is great and I was just like oh my goodness people like the things I do this is what I liked like cuz you liked this I I heard you say in one vlog that at first you wanted to make comedy sketch videos yeah was that book so was that before you started the let’s play or was that in tandem those before yeah because you were seeing successful youtubers in that genre or because of some other reason I thought it was just really cool I only wanted to do what I liked and I liked those videos so this is one of the things I tried before I did you know Let’s Plays I tried this for months I tried it I spent the last of my money that came in on a tax refund on a t2i I didn’t even have a microphone with it just did you thought hey it’s got onboard mic why not use that um a little green screen that I stupidly it was a blue a blue green green screen it will fold that one and I would take it outside in the green grass and the blue sky and I would just put it up like this’ll work right and I had no idea what I was doing so those are sketch videos yeah yeah yeah they were sketch videos and I made three of them or I filmed three of them and I had no idea how to edit them together get special effects in there I have no idea I was at a loss and I looked at it was like this is gonna take months and months of trying and effort and when I’m done with it it might not even be good and I still did it like I still I still tried and then I tried and tried and then I was just like ah man but you know that they didn’t get finished no no they did not get finished because I kept hitting my head against a wall like sleepless nights trying to figure it out cuz I love solving puzzles but this puzzle I I kept coming to the conclusion that these people had been doing this for years like they’ve learned College how to do special effects I don’t know and so in the middle of that process that frustration and your brother is the one that kind of says yeah we want you to try something like this or at least points out let’s play videos yeah that’s when yeah and that’s what I was like I could do that it’ll be good practice for my voice so when you started getting that initial response people coming to your channel people commenting reading every comment mm-hmm how did because this is a subprocess that happens without you even knowing it but as you look back now how did the initial reactions from fans the initial comments shape who markiplier is today it was everything like at that point the fact that people were even talking to me was unknown I was the kind of kid that had Facebook but never talked to friends I don’t text my friends proactively so I lived a very isolated life like without people actually saying anything to me and in that way they didn’t expect anything out of me and so I didn’t drive myself to try to impress other people and then when suddenly comments were rolling in both positive and negative like I got tons of hate in the beginning which was totally fine I can ignore hate all all all day long but positive comments of people saying they really enjoyed it and they were like but you could do this differently and I took that to heart like like I want to see more of this or I want to see these videos or or I’m well what kind of things really saying we’re at the time minecraft was big so if you were like oh could you do a Minecraft video on the people you know I hate minecraft or it’s like and I was like oh one or the other what which do I do so I actually created another channel and called it markiplier – and made minecraft videos and people loved it like I was like oh my god people love this and then I went through the unfortunate thing where youtube actually banned my adsense account first one reason or another I have no idea to this day and that was Omaha on your second channel on both like it was the same adsense again and I almost stopped youtube right then in there when was that that was in like the first month and a half of my channel I almost would not have been here if I just kept just said okay YouTube banned my adsense account okay you don’t know the reason but it had something to do with less play and rights of yeah yeah I think so yeah because for some reason I wasn’t monetizing my main channel videos but I thought minecraft it even said in its terms of use you can monetize videos of this on YouTube so I thought okay I guess this is okay but I kept getting emails that were like do you have the to monetize this and I would be like I think so and i quoted Minecrafts terms of use and i put it up there and so I think it was just constant I got so many email responses like these are all automated in the right when everything was automated and I think I flagged the system enough that it was just like this guy must be doing something wrong here get rid of him and I was just done like that I tried calling everyone I could I tried to ask and everyone I could I couldn’t get in touch with anyone I almost gave up I was so heartbroken because the thing I wanted to do that I could have possibly done as a career which I wouldn’t have even made money off of enough to live off of for months months months down the road but it was just the door was shut and YouTube itself did this and I was like so disheartened what was the resolution I just made another channel I was I was two steps away from getting signed under a third channel yeah a third channel and what called markipliergame and that’s why my channel is called markup on our game right now and not markiplier because I can’t use markiplier it still exists and then you re uploaded old videos downloaded every single video I did and I had done about a hundred and fifty at that point cuz I uploaded five videos a day back then when I was first going I was like everything every every single second of my day was recording videos and uploading them it was it was amazing and so how did you make how did you make the decision at what point did you say I’m going to insert myself personally not just the gamer mark but I’m gonna cry no what was the first video where you kind of went into that that vlog I knowed I had always put my heart and soul into it but I never really connected deeply it was only when I went to comic-con San Diego in 2012 for the first time with my brother because yeah he has a very successful webcomic by the way that’s why I could guys write yeah two kinds yeah yeah it’s a really really great webcomic as it’s been online for a long time but he got a booth at comic-con San Diego so I went with him just because the company that he works with was nice enough to get me an exhibitor badge which I was totally grateful for but when I went there I had maybe 2,000 subscribers this was on my new channel mark of our game I had 2,000 subscribers I didn’t expect to see a single person there that knew me and four people came up and new me like I didn’t even know the the astronomical odds of two thousand people all over the world subscribed me and for people at comic-con came up inside me and I saw the real people I saw who they were they were actual people that enjoyed my videos and actually knew who I was and that blew my mind and I said to myself holy crap every single person that is subscribed to me is real and is their own person and it has their own hopes and dreams and has their own life that they live and they take a small moment in that life to watch my videos so you decided to talk directly to them and vlogs yeah and last time I did that as soon as I got back I made one of the first vlogs I ever did and I just stood in front of the camera I was awkward as hell I didn’t know what I was doing and I was like hello this is me I’m going to tell you about this person that is me and then that’s just when I started doing it in and what was the response what do people say people loved it like people loved like seeing me in person and seeing who I was cuz I didn’t even have a face cam back then like I did all voice yeah all voice and people didn’t know who I wasn’t people were very surprised to see me people had critiques on how I was people said I was cute and you’re Korean but you got a lot whiter yeah at that point I was very very slowly 7030 white Kareem you grew into your whiteness comment yeah you know no one had ever seen your face yeah yeah and it was just it was a really really cool timing did you get any negative response so cuz because it’s it’s striking I mean the way you’ve mixed the way that a vlogger like a guy like Tyler Oakley yeah the way that he will connect with his fans and it’s like his brand is connecting with his fans you know he’s not playing games he’s just connecting with his fans right but you brought that same vibe and I have to assume that in the way that the gaming world interprets things and the way they think about things there had to be some negative reaction to that we don’t want to hear about your life or yeah I get that all the time like even today like they’ll be calm and sort of like what is this I only signed up for games why are you doing vlogs and like I appreciate your view there but I don’t care like I want I’ve always set out to do this and connect with people because that is the only reason I’m here is because of the people that are subscribed to me and I always need to pay respect to that facet of my channel do you think that is a big factor in the astronomical growth of your channel I mean you say and going from a thousand subscribers just a few years ago six million subscribers now how many of those over the past year um over the past year I I think I only had about 1.5 million this time last year so yeah four and a half million in a year four and a half million over the past 12 months how did that happen what do you attribute that to uh I think I would say the fact that I directly connect with people people don’t sort of locks III don’t think it’s solely to the vlog yes I I play games that kind of lead into a certain brand and five nights at freddys don’t get me wrong took off like crazy and really grew my channel 25 million views oh yeah 26 million I think actually now it’s okay guys that’s just to correct you but like get it growing it’ll be more ya when five nights at Freddy’s 3 comes out like it’s gonna be nuts but and that really did help and I’m very grateful that I was lucky enough to be on the forefront of that but I think what really has kept people here and what I see a lot if we sent people on the internet outside of YouTube say oh I know of this guy I don’t like his videos but I like the person and that’s all that I ever care about like I want people to know who I am and not the games I play cuz I will play games like for as long as people want me to play games cuz I love playing games but in the end in the end so long as people know who I am as a person and see that I try my damnedest to do what is right at all times that’s what matters now one of the things you said in your draw my life video is that and you made that you know when you had less than a million subscribers but you characterized what YouTube had given you the opportunity you tube had given you as if it had almost given you a new purpose on the other side of that success now you know passing 6 million subscribers being able to raise money for these charities on a regular basis and pushing half a million dollars what ro Qing that right we passed that I’m pretty sure yeah what would how would you react if all of it was taken right now so you go back home and you to you you can never upload another another YouTube video like this career is taken from you I think I’d be okay cuz I I have long thought about the fact that we as youtubers run the risk of YouTube going away you know it could just go away at any day and I think there would be a lot of people that would be upset that I wouldn’t be able to upload videos anymore but me as a person I would want to pursue other avenues like those things that I tried before YouTube that didn’t work I would want to keep trying different things and see what happens and it may lead to the point where I am NOT in the public eye in any way I am totally alone I’m working a nine-to-five at some mill somewhere that could happen like that could be where it leads but I’m not gonna stop trying to find what I enjoy and what fulfills me more fulfills me than joy well we’re not gonna take away your YouTube access I mean I hope not do you have that power well maybe I was just based on his answer oh that’s how I was gonna make my decision I was gonna pull the plug we do not have that power and I don’t think that’s gonna happen so given that what plans do you have let them give us a nugget more sketch-comedy more exploring different avenues because gaming allows me you know the ability to do different things and launch different things and try different things it’s just a matter of time at this point are we gonna see those on your channel yeah all on my channel like likes cats comedies music videos I’ve got a whole bunch of stuff that I can’t wait to do we’re filming something tomorrow actually and I’m very excited for it it is five nights at Freddy’s related but you know that’s just because my buddies have this idea and it’s actually a really cool idea so well look forward to it and we we really enjoy getting to know you it’s time for you to sign the roundtable of dim lighting oh boy thanks for coming in man [Music] and there you have it our ear biscuit with markiplier let mark know what you think of our conversation by tweeting at him his Twitter handle is markiplier it’s like multiplier but mark instead use hashtag ear biscuits we really do appreciate it when you give feedback to our guests that’s helpful as well as leaving a review on iTunes those things are both really helpful to us I’m fascinated by a guy like Mark I love him we talked to somebody who has helped to define a genre not that he and he obviously is he didn’t invent let’s play videos hehe but he’s not defining the genre he’s refining the genre yeah I have a feeling that more and more let’s play guys are going to start being vulnerable if not crying there I say crying in their videos because he you’re right you know this is the kind of thing that you turn a genre on its ear a little bit cuz you’ve got these gamer guys who are not necessarily known for being emotional guys or definitely not being that open in fact the genre was defined for a long time by guys who never showed their face and then you got guys showing their face and they’re all the guys to show their faces are getting popular PewDiePie fill in the blank now you got guys who are showing their faces and crying and their faces are crying their faces are crying and you know I’m not I’m not poking fun at mark I mean he’s a genuine guy he’s really really good at what he does and I like him and he knows how to connect with people and you know I applaud him for going on instinct and really refining a genre just like you said he’s he’s got a knack for connection and there’s so much to learn from that because the question s ‘full by the question of him that you should calculate right something that I doubt is what I wanted to get it’s a reflection of who he is and he wants people to know the real him if he you know but doesn’t the producer in you because I know the producer in me wants to think also that well he could also know that this would was going to work and so we started doing it I don’t actually believe that but there’s this the producer in the back of my head is like well if he’s not doing it at least somebody else is gonna start doing it and so now you’re gonna have guys who are feigning emotions for subscribers you’ve got people eating weird stuff rhett and Link or two of them that’s us for subscribers what about people crying drivers the audience is smart I mean they’re a good judge of authenticity and character they’ll know if it’s fake you know for a guy like Marc I mean look at all the money he has raised for charity it’s amazing you know it’s challenging for me personally and professionally to see a guy who instinctively put so much of his time and effort into channeling his audience and empowering them to to give to something that there’s no there’s no direct tangible benefit for him I think that’s awesome and like I said I you know I kind of privileged to have gotten to know the guy my only disappointment is we didn’t make him cry today you know but we made a song biscuit with him we did that’s pretty cool sorry great if you haven’t if you haven’t checked that out on our good mythical morning youtube channel our song biscuit we wrote a song about five nights at freddy we did and he can’t he kind of brought us up to speed on that I would prepare that guide in it I’m preparing for the judgement that is going to be unleashed on us for writing a song about five nights at Freddy’s I’m a little scared we usually don’t go into those areas that we’re not really experts on but we felt yeah we kind of because she was he was there he was the Sherpa for five nights at freddys yeah so thanks for that mark and thanks to you for listening and supporting the show we appreciate it and of course we’ll be here in your ears next week baking a biscuit [Music] [Music]