[Music] welcome to ear biscuits unlink and I’m Rhett joining us today at the round table of dim lighting is YouTube’s reigning king of music video parodies Bart Baker Bart is killing it with his parodies he’s become the guy that everybody looks to to parody the latest popular song and in the process he’s racked up over five million subscribers in over a billion billion billion feet what is a billion I said billion three times but just over a billion that’s not a billion when you say it three times in a row there’s a lot I mean we don’t have to try to I was trying to do it borracho but you know a billion billion nobody’s got that many views that would be crazy now Bart shape-shifts from Robin Thicke and Adam Levine to Katy Perry and Lord with an arsenal of high production values and many times a shot-for-shot approach to parody no pop star is safe from as critical even sometimes controversial roasting lyrics if you’ve never heard of seen Bart’s videos here’s a clip for his Miley Cyrus wrecking ball parody where he of course is Miley [Music] since the VMAs all the people say I am a total scary grinded Robin Thicke made the whole crowd sick especially the Smiths that one’s got over 65 million views and here’s his more recent blank space parody with over 25 million views where he plays a demon-possessed Taylor Swift [Music] [Music] in this biscuit we talk with Bart about what he really thinks about the musicians he parodies and what pitbull thought of Bart’s parody of him pitbull pitbull I think you mean pitbull no I know he’s to me cuz I know him he’s pitbull pitbull plus we discuss how he’s perceived publicly in his private insecurities is there more to Bart Baker than what you think you know about him from his videos hmm you be the judge but first we want to remind you that you can support the show by checking out lynda.com/rhettandlink ly nba.com Rhett a nd link you spell that out for us thank you appreciate that you’re welcome whether you want to take better 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for help I’m gonna go to ask Linda because she’s got it figured out I’m gonna go to later calm can I take advantage of our own of the free truck and I do that myself no Dodd can tell I can’t tell him that I’m that I’m rhett and Link I just that I’m Rhett from Ren link you could yes but I feel weird about that if you’re gonna use my account it’s well I’ll make a decision for myself but in the meantime you guys can go to lynda.com slash rhett and Link and try it free for 10 days on us now here’s our Bart Baker biscuit when I saw you last you were there your dad yeah your dad was in town from where sort of Chicago okay and you met parts dad yeah yeah I explained you guys with him yeah yeah Did you touch him I shook his hand I touched his hand didn’t touch my hand why would you ever hurt you did he touch your dad is that have you had problems no I mean it’s just I think that’s that’s a good name for a song honestly why did you touch my dad did he touch your dad it seemed like a like a straight-up dude yeah he’s a YouTube freak he knows everyone oh really that’s like yeah he follows every he’s on socialblade 24/7 checking numbers on everyone is it really yes is it like a I’m your dad but I feel like I could be your manager agent so it’s more like competition there is he a fanboy he’s a fanboy of who everyone on on YouTube really yeah yeah it’s not just you he’s not just out of his son no he’s just she’s super stoked that I’m you know doing YouTube but like he’s he’s just like a fan of everybody so did you get him into what’s his name yeah buddy buddy buddy baker buddy baker buddy baker Barbic buddy baker is almost maybe better than Bart Baker that’s not too good names I mean he could start a channel did you get buddy into youtube or are you – no no no I got him into it um you know he was a little bit it took him a while to get into it but he really just all of a sudden just like one day the switch flipped and he knows everyone on YouTube now I think he did ask something about link really have a me but would that have massive sum well I want to think that buddy did I like I want the thing to think that buddy did I I don’t take this the wrong way where they’re linked you know it’s it’s good when you start a sentence with don’t take this the wrong way yeah I’m just gonna be honest kind of stream of consciousness here when I hear the name buddy I think about I blind uncle Melvin’s dog oh-hoo and that was his name huh he called him buddy and he was a beagle but he wasn’t as he looks he wasn’t a seeing-eye beagle because uncle Melvin didn’t need that my Papa Clyde it was his brother and he lived across the street and in his old age he he lost his eyesight so we’d go over and visit with him and this is like I was very young I’m like talking him yeah five or six years old because he passed away when I was probably like seven so I remember going over to see uncle Melvin and then we would we’d walk him outside to see buddy in the pen it was buddy in the YouTube videos this is that where this is going no his name was buddy that’s where this that’s where it’s going so yeah well you know if you tell me more about your dad Brian if it can replace but he can be my buddy yeah like whenever I hear the word buddy I can thank Barbara you should call him on Instagram he’s trying to blow up he is yeah I mean he gets more likes than most of my like people I know what does he Instagram he’s just like take selfies like driving in his car or like when he’s on trips or he’ll post like a throwback Thursday what it’s like the family thing is I picture him like dressed just like you like seeing a black t-top I wish like he’s a banker he’s uh yeah he’s pretty straight-laced looking guy yeah totally we actually a lot of people don’t know he’s my dad at first we because he’s he’s like your lawyer or something maybe yeah I mean you could second see him being my lawyer yeah yeah but we’re totally different career paths you know what I mean he was a Yale grad perfect SAT scores didn’t miss a single question like Wow and then he went to he went to whatever it’s called what do you do after graduation graduate school yeah he went to Northwestern so he knew Chicago from there but he did it like he’s a totally different so but he’s the ultimate fanboy cuz it’s like he’d never got to do this stuff and now he gets to come to LA and like experience it through me how often does he come out he’s probably actually like for business he’s here probably like three times a year but the with my mom maybe another like – let’s give let’s give her my mom Jan Baker is also a big fan she’s a she’s not like my dad are they still together oh yeah they’re together where do they live they live in Chicago suburbs of Chicago and yeah you know my dad’s like like a nerdy fan girl I’m just gonna call him a fangirl cuz that’s that term right yeah and then my mom is just more she doesn’t watch other YouTube people she just watches my stuff when I tell her to cuz she doesn’t even really get how to work her computer so the fan mom Dan he’s a fan mom yeah get it and she likes to brag about what I do she tries to not burr like start the conversation like my son dresses his Taylor Swift in Hollywood for a living but it ends up that way is there is there an element of oh one of my parents gonna think of this one because yeah not anymore grandparents maybe okay I don’t know if they watch them or not but they’re very very rare you’re not like when when you visit them you’re not like pulling them up oh hey guys anyway I don’t react to this so long to see it no but what do you tell them you’re doing they know what I’m doing and they’ve seen a couple and I think they don’t watch them they’re like you should do videos that are more catered towards elderly Channel yeah like just for their elderly people they can’t like do parodies about like like nursing homes I was like why you see use old people in my videos so that is a growing demographic though yeah I know I mean we’re gonna be in it one day right true so yeah you know that’s the only thing I and I don’t think about it really because I can’t let that make me hold back just be like oh my grandparents don’t think this is gross so they’re super you said they’re super religious like super conservative yeah is that is there like a trickle-down scenario from parents to you what was it what was your upbringing like and where was that upbringing was in Chicago for most of it I lived in North Carolina for a year which is interesting and then back what part of my car winston-salem okay we’re from North Carolina so wow really we know about the Joe Salem you just breathe the air and it’s like smoking cigarettes around Winston so oh yeah depending on the year oh yeah yeah mrs. Salem was interesting it was all brand new developments and how you know all the houses were just like just put up so we were in the middle like a farmland basically uh-huh and it was just like a brand new area so it was totally different than what I was used to you know but then you went right back to right back to Chicago yeah so I’ve been in Chicago most of my growing up that’s where I was really for it for all of it what was the situation at home in terms of you know were you guys there were certain things you couldn’t watch on television like object how strict with your parents so I was really bad in school like not meant not like you know my grades are good but I was troublemaker so they were example um example god I mean I I got I made pancakes once and I put the the strain strainer hair in the pancake batter and I mixed it up and I gave the pancakes to my social studies teacher I watched her eat them it was your hair roundup no it was hair for the drain from other people it was just in the drain Oh hair from the sink drew yeah yeah stuff like that but then what does she do when you initiate that she didn’t notice what we did she got him down she ate him she was a bigger woman we meaning all your classmates knew you told them hey all new wood they helped like that they were all in home a Candler like we’re gonna we were really our class was so bad it was we had two teachers quit during our eighth grade year it was crazy so we changed that school for did you get caught for the pancake no we didn’t get called for that I did get caught for putting up lesbian porn on the computer and then changing every single volume when you push the volume on those old Macs and make a beep I figured out how to change it to say smoke and all of every single computer lab computer would say schmuck and I got banned from all the computers for like six months but it was worth it stuff like that I was trying to be crooked I could switch it back so for the next six months you Laidback is its mom the guy what’s it called what’s it what’s the name of the person who’s in charge of computers at schools the IT guy maybe that’s it he’s a lot of stuff though so he was also a teacher his face looked like hamburger meat so we called him hamburger face but he got real red when he heard those noises so it was like he was really like a raw piece of meat I think he still works there did you have any brothers and sisters I was the only child just dogs so that you know but honestly like well hamburger face is a good example here because what you’re telling me is you know you’ve got almost a supernatural ability to push the buttons of the artist that you’re parodied right we’ll get through this a little later but I imagine them watching your work and you know I just get this sense that there’s a you know you know where to you know where to hit him yeah research but it sounds like that was that was just something that came naturally naturally gave you all that guy’s face it looks like I am Burger where you should call him maybe it’s ain’t good I was good with nicknames sure just figuring out things that I could relate and it’ll drive him nuts it’ll make his hamburger aw yeah if I put schmuck on all the yeah computer works man he was pissed and were you a did you see early on that okay when I do this kind of thing when I come up with this nickname when I put the hare and the pancakes everybody reacts in a positive way to it well obviously all the key what all the classmates loved it because we were everyone in the class was bad so everyone kind of fed off of each other and yeah so it was directed towards I mean were you the bully was it directed toward classmates now there was an now it was just teachers the teachers were mean they were really mean some of them some of them we were cool with and we’re the teachers were really cool but some teachers were just like you know I some teachers just don’t know how to keep kids under control they do it by trying to be just like we didn’t I guess what should they have done for Bart Baker I think it would have stuff just the way that if someone does one thing wrong don’t send him to the principal’s office right away maybe actually explain to him why that was bad and then try to be a little cool or try to relate to them on a different level so you feel like maybe you’re friends with them you know instead of just saying you mm-hmm so you’re still bitter about it I’ve some of these teachers some of them I’m trying to think of a teacher I really didn’t like I had some features I was like really cool with and then everything in high school was all just like normal yeah it was just in junior high well you think I’m making the videos too yeah yeah that started early like fifth grade oh yeah yeah what’s an early one you remember the first video I remember doing was this video where we took our hands and put shoes on them so it would look like we’re skateboarding and doing these rad tricks would be like this dude skating and it would be like him about to jump and it would cut like the feet going and like grinding and then like it looked really fake but it was really funny so it was like this skateboard movie and it was it was funny as hell that was the first one added in edited it in camera those are the best those little what are those crappy old v8 Mini Mini TV it wasn’t those it was VHS see yeah that was it was ability in a bigger view yeah you had to put the little yes that’s what we got started on right yeah that’s it yeah yeah so that was a fifth grade and then and then in in high school of really started pumping out like I did my first music video in high school and we I went around selling DVDs of that thing I think I sold like 300 copies and was that a funny a funny video it was it was actually so it was a music video that we we had an assignment that we we could do like anything we wanted for this class and we want to do a music video and we took a song it was already made it was get your roll on by the big-timers well did you put this on youtube it’s on YouTube yeah it’s your first video yes I put that up like but I put it up probably like four years after he made it he okay so you made that a nice guy was the first music video I ever did and you it was a lip sync video that was a lip sync video yeah but you had some nice cars oh yeah where did you get those from most of those cars were parents cars we just took them okay one of them was the ones that were driving were parents cars the other ones we went to the dealerships and we just stole shots of so it look like we had them and that was in the it seems like the angle of that video was just hey let’s let’s let’s make a rap video for a song that we like yeah let’s just see how if we can make it look like how legit we can make it look you know cuz everyone was we were like everyone was super obsessed with Cash Money Records back then so you got a grade but they also got paid but yes you burn DVDs insult 300 yeah we sold 300 and I got written permission from Cash Money Records to distribute you’re kidding me okay this is before they were huge right so we found their number and I called him I called him a secretary answer it’s like little Wayne isn’t a phone or something it was a secretary I was like can I talk to the guy who owns the company was Ames limb I got like I talked to slim she’s like all the boys are out of town right now kind of leave a message for him I’m like we’re trying to distribute this video and the internet doesn’t allow for that yet so right I mean it wasn’t even I don’t even think YouTube existed then they’re thinking this was 2002 uh-huh so there is just like I don’t remember why or we got permission or it’s not like you got permission from the secretary secretary yeah no but we got a contract they sent it but really we had a signature and everything saying we kids distributed did they want to cut no they didn’t care but the fact that they lives they had cash money they didn’t care that was back you know this is why did you bring that in to I mean when now that it’s on your channel on YouTube does that is it actually effective for that well I don’t it probably is can you take the Adsense from that I don’t know I don’t even know if I’m running ads on that I probably am but that’s hilarious you know okay so that so you made that in high school as high school yeah sandy and then at some point you’re starting to think you wanna that you want to be a filmmaker right that’s what I wanted to do originally was a filmmaker director editor you know behind the camera mmm and I went to school for that and all that crap so yeah so you where do you go to college you went to college yeah major in film I went to my you don’t see Miami Florida so how did how did you end up in Miami out of that um so I just their film school was really good it was like one of the top five at the time so it was like USC Miami UCLA and then it was all of them I think it was mostly all California than Miami um and I actually knew one of my best friend’s stepdads was like where the biggest like alumni there he’s like super into Miami so he was like you should just go do like early interview show him one of your videos so I showed him the the get your role on video uh-huh and they’re like okay you’re in yeah they’re like you’re in they told me that when I was there like you’re in early admission sounds pretty awesome yeah so I just went there so I don’t want to worry about writing I say what was the Miami Film School la experience Miami’s a weird school it’s different than normal like it’s in my own life there’s a there’s a Miami there’s a constant tension that you could be underwater at any moment right that’s yeah so everyone’s really angry had hurt no one likes to party yeah we had one likes to have fun no no I know we had like the first week I was there we had a hurricane hit and basically when hurricanes hit the dorms are locked up and everyone just has sex and drinks that’s all you do cuz it’s a dorm party you’re locked in your dorms you can’t leave so there’s the first week of school that was crazy then it happened again and it ripped up the whole campus and like the late I remember looking out the window and the whole lake was in the air because it was like right over it was crazy besides that Miami’s uh it was pretty it’s just different dude it was like I was in a fraternity – we just sucked the worst experience ever so they didn’t have so you didn’t have houses so yet like the Greek life there sucked basically it was like it ended up being like okay well now I’m paying dues to go to a meeting every week that I sit there listening to this little guy talk about how we’re gonna like better our minds and bodies and have parties and stuff did you give him a nickname that guy oh god I um did we give him a nickname I feel like we did let me think it’s gonna come back to me I’m pretty sure he did you know I just saw his brother the other day they really he had an identical twin I thought it was him here in LA yeah I think he’s like an agent or something here does he was sitting at Starbucks like yeah yeah and he’s really short so he’s an agent or something was the I mean the things I hear from YouTube creators who had brushes with film school yeah is that I didn’t do much for me yeah I agree oh I didn’t know it did it not not for what I did because they taught me old-school methods and I mean we shot stuff on 16 millimeter and and they didn’t even we didn’t use digital really mmm so yeah we edited on an avid like huge like one of those big-ass Avid’s you know like I would never edit in one of those again but you were there for four years I mean four years yeah you got the degree I got it and is a degree in that and art and a minor in psychology and it looks like a number of videos that you probably made during that time or on your channel – they probably would like look into my eyes well that was the bear that was after you graduated that was right after I got out of college and that was your that was your first like break that was the first viral video the one first one to hit a hundred hundred thousand which was crazy to me back then and that’s a totally different rent approach them what you’ve kind of adopted together so that was original music how did you come up with the idea of doing the song of that song yeah that song was so lonely island inspired that’s like right when little island blew up uh and I was just like this is so cool that they can make music that’s funny and get so many views so what was your mind so you were looking at them but you just graduated yeah and what did you know about your strategy I mean did you say I’m gonna try this YouTube thing or I’m just gonna yeah I’m gonna go to LA and like get on a set I worked my way back to Chicago okay right after college didn’t have any desire to go to LA what was your plan I didn’t have a plan I was just like I’m taking a year off I’m not gonna do anything and I didn’t do anything for a year except what you had to do something I made that video and then I drank a lot and you know partied way too much lived lived at home yeah it looked at home I think most of my friends all lived at home right after college they all came back to Chicago and where your did buddy and Jan say buddy and Jan what are what are you gonna do bar like you should need to get an internship since the idea I did some internships so I think I might have had an internship during this maybe it was right after I don’t even remember I interned it I was doing editing for Jerry Springer sure oh my goodness yeah really well that’s so it was really random I found this internship and it’s a post house in Chicago that’s where they filmed Jerry Springer and Steve Wilkos show yeah that not anymore now they film it some more weird that’s cheaper so you get to see uncut I would see the uncut dude and I was really supposed to be like a little like bitch intern who work the front desk but I was like I can edit and they’re like yeah whatever so they’re all actors right yeah no they’re not they’re not that’s the crazy part they’re all freaking weird real people but I thought that they brought people on Jerry Springer who kind of wanted their 15 seconds of fame so to speak that’s probably true not even minutes and then they play it up yeah then they wait up and they would probably give them assignments in the way that you would give someone on a reality if you were producing a reality totally oh you’re listen you’re playing yourself but yeah you don’t know who the real father is right and when you find out you probably want to get really upset yeah matter of fact you probably want to throw a chair huh don’t you think maybe yeah okay action yeah that didn’t happen well I couldn’t see what was happening behind the scenes because we just got the footage but it wasn’t like they didn’t there was no raw footage of like an a director coming out and now not really really it was pretty live like they don’t even stop it’s really like well that restores my faith in ya you made any integer especially film it all almost and they don’t like be late they don’t they’re not like cut we need to do that again there’s no stopping down just do it so as I ended up so you you left it not feeling what I thought and what I just told you it’s like your eyes like no this is for real these people have real is for real I mean it seemed for real that people are this there’s how many people that are that messed up they’re all like not there you know I don’t really get what’s even happening there in a whole other world but I enjoy editing it I ended up editing the intros remember like those you know those like those like before the people would come out and they’re backstage yeah so it’s like the intro of the actual show where it’s like this episode on Jewish Springer it’s like all these stupid cheesy effects of like you know like like I’ve been yet on like a woman crying and then my crappy transition so like a guy like in black and white like he raped her and stuff like that but it is an art form it defined a genre of art if you ask me no totally you know I got a I got a knack for that somehow and they let me start doing those they had editors that were working there for like six years who would do it but then they’d let me do it then they asked me to move to frigging a New York and they’re like we want you to be a full-time editor we’re gonna give you like 80 grand a year and I was like no I want to do YouTube because by that point look at see my eyes that’s that that video did well and then I put out my first parody while I was there too which did well which one was the first one boom boom pow parody boom boom pow okay called big old pubes which is black eye peas black eye peas yeah okay um yeah two point six eight million views five years ago Wow and so it’s probably gotten residual views over the yeah you know but it probably went pretty big at the time it did okay I think it was the same type of thing like it did like a hundred thousand and like a week or two and who was helping you at the time like who was the guy in the look into my eyes video that’s just my that was my friend rob who still lives in his parents basement actually really well you know there’s a lot of room in there nah it’s a nice basement it’s like the whole but yeah footprint of the house is yours that’s true that was just my friend I’m like dude you got to put on the spacesuit bro and listen and talk about masturbating yeah and he was like I’m down and then you did the Kesha tik-tok parody yeah and then you did the California Girls Katy Perry parody with like this these two elderly dudes that one was the first old person parody we did I also should note that by this time I’d been hired by a porn company alright let’s talk about you should we should know that you moved from Springer it’s like where can I go from here I was at Springer I got contacted by the owners of reality Kings the biggest porn company in the world the owners you know they’re like 32 they contacted you because of your YouTube video yeah they found that the word masturbate in it they found the boom boom pow one okay and they’re like this is really funny and I was like thanks and they’re like would you consider making like some parodies for us and put like the the watermark in the corner with a link and I was like yeah sure and then somehow I convinced him to hire me full-time move me to Miami and because he wanted to go back to my I didn’t but they were located on South Beach it was just like kind of convenient because I already knew the area so they actually that’s this wonderful water more water Montevideo yeah those are our K water marks so if I go to our K dot-com or whatever that is that’s a porn so it’s porn so hardcore porn the first thing you’ll probably see is a huge Exmouth right when you get there okay but in in so how do you come up with the idea of okay the strategy for this is going to be I’m gonna do a Katy Perry parody right but it’s gonna be two old dudes that was I just got this idea originally like why don’t we do old people like sing the hits like it would be funny because they don’t know the music or the tempo or anything and then I was just like well why don’t we just put the damn people in the parody and have them play the characters and so we tried it and it turned out people thought it was hilarious and it got picked up by like every news outlet and they didn’t the guys that reality kings didn’t care that had nothing to do with their product it was just they just wanted them watermark yeah really yeah they paid well for that yeah they paid well man out of college I mean it’s a really it was a real it’s more than most of the people I know are making now where did you get these two old guys for the Katy Perry California girls ah Craigslist of course so what is that how do you come how do you compose said Craigslist Edie I think it was just I think I probably still have it actually saved somewhere we’ve posted some weird craigslist address don’t get me wrong but it was like you don’t really own your senior citizen to star in music video parody and it was just like for me to basically be nude and dressed like a yeah when did you tell him that when zember the audition we’re like this is like I’m like we’re like are you comfortable wearing a bikini and this one guy was like ah Alan is his name the guy who ended up using in a lot of videos Alan he was just like yeah we’re whatever longer you know fine like it sounds like fun to me they all just wanted to like they’re just bored and they wanted to do something fun yeah he played Justin Bieber right after he was good as Bieber in the diaper that was one of my favorites honestly the Bieber one God that one gets me gone some of that my old videos make me laugh harder than my new ones so what well you know an interesting thing is is I can I can relate to that I think that when we’ll get into this of what you’re doing now which is a fine-tuned thing that is really it is working and you can kind of we I think we know why it works you know why it works and why you continue to do it but when you see something like those two dudes doing the Katy Perry song you see there’s an extra amount of hate on that video and just dislikes because because it’s just a weird sense of humor right but it’s just it’s so weird it’s funny right right but it’s not the kind of thing that has this it’s not gonna have the mass appeal appeal it’s Tim and Eric yes tile right and that’s honestly where I got my inspiration for that video like my old videos were all green-screen tacky backgrounds wanted to make it look cartoony and at the time I was also thinking though like how do I do something that’ll make me different than you know every other kid trying to put up a music video or something like that cuz there’s so many and and I was like well it was just do something totally weird that’ll get picked up by news outlets because that was the only way to get views at first when you don’t have subscribers you got to rely on websites and bloggers to pick you up so how many of these these water marked videos did you do oh good question how long did you say am I think there’s like is there maybe six of them or something as you started with tik-tok and it ended with only girl in the world so did you end up also editing porn for them not know you know what we did do though we made some theme songs for them which is really cool like I made the milf hunter theme song what song the milf hunter milf undersea or just a vide that’s one of our websites the hunter it’s like a drunk guy who has sex with mothers and honey and you wrote his theme so I wrote it because they just they just had signed a deal with a Direct TV to have their channel on DirecTV so they needed all these theme songs for their mute for their shows can you hum a little bit of it I mean it was like it was really 80s I think it was like you can find am on the hunt no no no no no no looking for my mom no no no no no no that’s all I don’t remember the rest but it was your vocals yeah my vocals did you also play it was there like the milf part and you like Roger voice up no I do that no it was just straight up just like a hit theme song yeah we had some interesting roles we play it was me up buddy now we weren’t in them we just did the music me and my friend moved there together okay um because we were both in the boom boom pow parody and I was like oh I work with my friend so can we both come and they’re like sure so we both moved to Miami together which was sweet cuz I had someone it was kind of like the dynamic you guys have we work together on every video and then you’re you you know do you tell your parents I’m you know I’m working for they knew what was up they knew exactly what was happening the Grandma and Grandpa didn’t I don’t think they did I told them their their their secret name is world net media so that’s kind of like the okay the actual company if you go and interview for it or look it up its world that media they had a lot of other websites dating and stuff like that and what I mean so they your parents knew about it but what did they say they I mean they were they were kind of freaked out it’s like their son straight out of college is working for this company they didn’t know what exactly what I was doing day to day and neither did the company really because a lot of times we wouldn’t show up like we would we’d go to work at like 2:00 and nobody would there we didn’t really have a boss it was weird they kind of hired us as this new truck they were trying to help this new like like branch a watermark yeah it’s like let’s say they gave you a watermark and then you just did whatever you want and it was originally supposed to be the YouTube channel it’s supposed to be like reality King slash reality kings but they let you do it all on your own channel yeah fine they did it was just lucky that that happened because so what happened was we put up a video and it got it got 18 plus I think and I said well the reason that’s happening is because I’m you’re not partners I’m a partner so I get preferential treatment will also get better listings and the searches and will get you know whatever the hell it’s called featured so you had already gotten partnered based on the other stuff some of those early period yeah which raises another question because I’ve heard multiple things from multiple people you know sometimes you hear people say well if you if you get into this parity thing you’re gonna have to change the tune of the song just enough in order for you to be able to not have it pulled and I mean so wait what’s the actual deal on that I didn’t monetize any of my videos until I started making them actual parodies because my original videos were satires if you think about it a satire makes fun of a different topic but takes the original instrumental and that’s weird oh that’s what most exactly that’s why we’re Dallas to get permission legally a parody has to comment on or criticize the original and an ironic or humorous way so we do all those things by making fun of the artist making fun of the video recreating the video shot for shot making fun of the song so we cover all those bases if you do that legally you know it’s fair use right but you have to cook you have to do it that way and we’ve never had any legal issues really to this day a lot of people have legal issues shane has been having legal issues right that’s crazy well the Lord video what happened with that what was the what was the scenario would that would being taken down yeah so that one was taken down and you know it was a it was a full-on takedown add to I to do copyright school I don’t know if you guys have ever had to do that it’s like a snow but you you so traffic traffic so like just prove that you went through it I mean yeah he gave us a good synopsis of fair use right then Oh parody versus satire I know I know it like the back of my hand so what was the original video why was it taken down and then the Lord won yeah it was they they took it down for they said you know it was the musical composition that was what it was filed under okay and then the next day well I made a video when I found out right away and I put it up when I’m like you know this is if you guys agree tweet at the publisher and I guess they did obviously they did it I saw they did it was crazy it was like every five seconds like the publisher was probably like freaking out and then it was back the next day and the publisher apologized on Twitter and they’re like that was not us that was our that was an automatic machine like but that’s not true because you can’t in order to file a takedown you have to do it by hand and manually right so they basically just kind of realize that I have a feeling they were going through all the parodies which probably most weren’t legal and done correctly and just taking them down or trying to claim them mm-hmm and then when they took this one down I’m sure they’re lawyers looked at in there like you duh you better put it back you better put it back up right now so but you still because of the process you had to do the copyright school thing oh yeah I had to do the copyright school you can’t even access your channel again till you do it and so is that like an online it’s just a real thing online yeah I got every answer right I didn’t even watch the video so they make you watch like an hour-long video I’m like that I knew all the and is that for one strike once yeah once right so you got to keep taking it if you get another woman it’s kind of ridiculous but hmm but you you were already employing the strategy of creating things as a technical parody not yeah yeah not as a what’s the other word satire yeah I was yeah so but there’s my dad trying to FaceTime me haha just put it on speaker we can talk to him the officer we talk to him yeah just tell him it’s he’s on our podcast and we’re just um we’re basically live let me try to get him let me try to connect with him he’s trying to do FaceTime audio dad hello buddy hey Dad I’m on a I’m sure I’m doing a podcast right now with rhett and Link so you’re on with them we’re just talking about how you’re such a big fan of all the youtubers mister Baker can we call you buddy okay it’s like yeah you call me buddy okay it’s kind of hard to explain but up into this moment when I thought about buddy I thought about a blind man’s dog am I blind uncle but now I’m gonna think about you from now on okay think about dogs yeah that’s not the first time you’ve heard that I’m sure no no my my uncle Melvin was blind but his dog buddy could see really well and smell really well he’s a beagle yeah that are you fangirling right now yeah I’m in north of the El Yunque National Forest you get you get Internet there obviously well I’m actually back in my hotel room right now well you thank God right over in the National Forest right now I was over there hiking around mom told me not to but I was hiking around in the National by yourself yeah it’s dangerous and you don’t even you can’t even watch YouTube they’re getting you Wow well you know what buddy we were why don’t you give a plug to your Instagram so we know everyone everyone it wants to follow you on that what’s your Instagram handle w baker III right he’s the third we’re all actually named Walter really links a third really yeah my son is a four oh wow so what’s your middle name we say strange but Bart says well but I’m the fourth one with no little name it’s not that straight yeah it’s not that strange really it’s not well why don’t I call you back after I finish up all right all right love you too man bye well he is buddy hey I’m gonna see those pictures of Puerto Rico yeah he’s definitely gonna take a bunch of selfies there I wish he would have called earlier this would have been a good well sorry guys just kidding so um we’re doing we’re doing a potential reality TV show based on these parodies so it’s like the making it’s like making them video right but it’s like with the parodies and then half of it’ll be like all the that goes on we’re producing and coming up with the ideas and the other half will just be whatever a personal life which is probably going to be all set up right fit reality TV yeah of course um so and how how far along is that is it just a concept no that’s far enough along where they’ve are that’s we’re doing it right now with bandage a who is bounnam and Murray like you know real world the Kardashians are like okay they contacted me like I’m maybe a month I go to three weeks ago they moved so quickly they already interviewed all my staff they’ve been shoots they’ve cut a sizzler and really they’ve presented it to their CEO and co o said do it and they’re trying to sell it to E which would be dope okay and then what what what’s the working title we don’t know yet we don’t know yet it’s called the Bart Baker project right now okay you might be that might be the name it might be better than who knows it’s not bad name really um but they you know where does the drama come from that actually exists besides in the comments like what’s the real-life drama it’s it’s a lot of uh just well the shoot days he’ll always cram and everything in like 12 hours I mean my producers are having heart attacks because isn’t there there’s like a kind of a race you don’t you want to their timing is means so much for this another thing right so what’s the so walk me through from okay Taylor Swift reliefs releases blank space you’re watching the video you’re reading to come to hate her comments on her video you’re being inspired I mean how quickly do you want to turn around a parody and you know you’re writing the lyrics you got people who also write kind of pitch things at this point yeah but how quickly do you need to get yours up um is it kind of a loser it’s kind of loose so sometimes it’s good to get it up quick sometimes it’s good to wait so it has more exposed in the long run like we just did uptown funk but it’s been out for three months something like that okay so that’s that’s a long psych it starts slow some of them blow up right away that one blew up gradually so we put it on the back burner Taylor Swift we knew right away we had to do it as soon as possible it still took three weeks because getting a house like that’s hell but you’ve got someone who’s creating like a sound of like track you’re not just ripping the karaoke track now we got someone recreating everything will scratch and they have to change a little bit right it’s not changed tune wise no right so it’s basically you don’t have to change we don’t have to change because they’re you so you can take a certain amount of something and and use it and and then when you’re writing the song kind of stepping through the process you kind of talked about this line of you know the more harsh you are the the more response you’re gonna get positive and negative any classes good press sure but you you seem to say that there is a there’s a line that you don’t want to cross yeah you have to pull back um yeah what it kind of helped to clarify what that line is for you it’s whatever I would personally feel uncomfortable like conveying to everybody I like to everybody or the artists face like you’re singing to Katy Perry or Nicki Minaj saying I can yeah I’m comfortable saying and Nicki I don’t you’re away you’re wasting your talent yeah that’s literally a lyric right or is your evaluation I’m comfortable saying that to the odd I don’t think I would know it’s if I’m comfortable I’d never think about saying it to the artist because then I would never say something directly to an artist like that because I don’t actually a lot of the stuff I don’t actually mean it’s just stuff that it’s I know people will will agree with and I know we’ll get views mm-hm and I know we’ll be funny but like a lot of that like I always say most of the artists that I make fun of and roast it’s a roast basically right but it’s not it so it’s not an editorial piece this is not Bart Baker’s feelings about this artist now this is your paint you’re playing a character almost you’re embodying the hater yeah that already exists online right so it’s almost like that and it’s also just picking apart the video and everything like that and but a lot of the times I like the videos I like the song I mean I bump it I’m bumping Bieber in my car you know I don’t I don’t have anything against these people I’d love to meet all these people in work with these people uh and I hope most people can understand that it’s just a comedy and it’s like it’s like well you know it’s just it’s the kits like when you roast someone you say them mean it but yeah but you kind of do it in a way that’s paying homage to alright so it’s like oh I’m saying all this mean it’s not supposed to be taken seriously it’s supposed to make people laugh so that’s honestly that’s that’s that’s how I feel do you think that’s how the artist takes it and what have you who has responded pitbull saw the pip wanted about him which was pretty harsh what’s the harshest line in that one oh my god what was it I mean the whole the whole concept was that he’s a that he’s a sellout for all those sponsors the harshest line itself was well at the very end their heads explode and it’s like this guy is like huh thank god those douche bags are dead and then all the World Cup sales goes through the roof because that was their song as a World Cup song huh yeah it was just really stuff that people always see budding people I hate you so much I wish you were dead that’s that yeah that’s that’s pretty far right pretty bad so then he turns around and what his pitbulls say he loved it he thought it was funny and he he was like respect was this on Twitter or a phone call this was a video call you through your dad yeah until Bush was in this was on Twitter he tweeted the video and he said thanks for the love Thanks thanks for the laughs yeah uh I haven’t watched this yet yeah I’m too busy to watch this and then he were invited me to be in his music video so did you do that yeah I was in it and I met him which one fireball yeah fireball yeah one of the lines in the video was pull my pants up to the sky wait too high because he’s always got like a pitbulls going on you know I mean uh-huh and he’s like he’s like a pop oh I don’t pull my pencil that I now do I that’s the first thing he said to me hahaha and then we took pictures but he was and then he was sooo he’s soaked he’s super cool and he’s after we shot with he was like he was like we need to do stuff together I’ll help you write stuff and come up with concepts for if you’re doing a parody just let me know and I’ll I want to be involved he’s just like I understand didn’t really mean that he seemed like you did he had some vodka though so he did he pick up on the my a meanness of you I don’t know if he knows that I went to Miami I don’t know if I told him that but it would like when I look at the end of your videos it’s like when you’re doing your vlog like the way you know your tank top and the way you wear your hat I think that Bart is Miami yeah yeah I mean yeah I mean I don’t know maybe something about the Hat in that way yeah like your hats got a lot of sequins on it oh that I that’s what I think of Miami Miami is very sequiny yeah it was like ed hardy and everyone add that there but you don’t so do you don’t consider yourself like repping Miami I don’t think so in apparel standpoint no I feel like it’s more LA at this point yeah definitely not Chicago though yeah now a guy like pitbull to me I my speculation is he’s just a smart guy that knows that the best way to handle what you have done is to embrace it yeah but you know as well as anybody who does stuff that people can criticize sure that when people say things that could be true you know the things the doubts that you might have about yourself it hurts people you know it Taylor Swift watches this and I think if somebody like Taylor Swift watching this thing and just getting mad yeah you know I can see that and it’s almost kind of what you’re pointing out in the way that you portray her I mean I can’t imagine her laughing it off pitbull yeah yeah it’s like bring this guy over you know you can kind of tell or like you would have the kind idea of how they would react to it so when you think about that when you when you have this mental picture of Taylor Swift sitting there just getting pissed yeah that you or hurt I picture her organize what it has a mini feel I just it’s so it’s so hard I mean I can understand them maybe her feeling like like kind of hurt by it but at the same time it’s like I’m not targeting her directly and and we do every artist so it’s like just if they can just see you you want you are targeting her directly but yeah right right it’s like every artist is in we’re just hitting everyone and it’s not like it we I think people would should know by now that we don’t have anything against them as an artist because we do every single artist it’s just that’s what that’s what we do and you have to find an angle yeah you have to find an angle that angle is you know she’s a devil people like it yeah there are but there are other choices that are risky for different reasons and then the risk isn’t that you might hurt their feelings hmm but get it taken down or you know if somebody like Kanye is so volatile well are you are you sure that you want to dawn black face Oh God and play him with your Chiefs cheeks puffed out like that I mean what was behind you know what was what was behind that that led to that decision I mean was there a risk calculation in there imma let you finish but first you want to send someone after you yeah um no I didn’t even think about it because I cannot Suge Knight and I don’t think you should do that with Suge Knight no um and then walk around in a parking lot in front of his truck or anything yeah that was just like uh it was just it all came down to the fact that I just didn’t want anyone else playing the character at that point and now I just wanted to play the character I never thought about it as black face I just was like put me in makeup make me look as much like him as you can and no one in your squad said you know what this is blackface you do know that this is like people are gonna like it was bad they said like it could be bad but nobody said don’t do it I mean first of all I’ll be honest with you I was surprised that there were only you know there’s only like 5,000 dislikes on that video yeah and and I and so I was expecting it to be you know just like you know tens of thousands of dislikes and yeah and there’s lots of comments hey this is racist and there’s less people who are like well he’s playing a character yeah yeah I mean don’t you do it again I guess is the question though I don’t I there I think that there’s a I don’t want to play Kanye again and I don’t think I need to I feel like at this point I’ll get someone else to play those characters like there’s certain characters I will play and it’s like Drake or cuz Drake is his lighter skinned people just have this thing in their mind that it’s racist to do any likes coloration of your skin like that’s just something that’s always gonna be there and blackface itself is so different the whole thing was just like blatantly being you paint your face black and then you’re just being racist making right of every single characteristic and when we when I did that I was like we’re not gonna mention anything about the fact that he’s black everyone knows that it’s just like if I’m gonna play him I can’t have white skin darkened me up put on a bald cap but then you get your parody of the Lord you know you write and sing that she her lyrics are racist so that’s kind of is that kind of hypocritical there that you’re making fun of her for saying now I’m gonna list out everything that I think black people like Chris style oh how do you say it right crystal Chris yeah well those are almost a joke what I did there but it was not intentional people can interpret being I mean I was saying that because it was a news article I found like unlike a website like oh Lord wrote this song about hip-hop culture so again so you were in bodying someone else this criticism you kind of channeled that in the parody I think that’s interesting I’d yeah it’s it’s certainly not a way that it’s not a first way that you view your videos I think that um it’s an interesting I don’t know I don’t know if I’d call it a defense may just an explanation I certainly think you’re just being honest I find it you know I’m wonder if people are thinking right now well that’s a rationalization I mean it but whenever you say it whenever you sing it it becomes it becomes your point of view or doesn’t it have to I mean you’re saying no yeah I mean it’s why it’s my point of view during that video I guess something I don’t agree with a lot of the stuff that we’re just blowing at I proportion purposely have you ever felt the need to somehow offer that explanation like you know okay well everyone do your fans know that that’s what you’re doing that you’re kind of embodying my hater fans know my hardcore fans know all the comments where people are really angry or people who stumble upon the video and don’t have a clue that there’s a whole slew of these for every single person out there who’s you know but they just find this one and they’re like wow this person must really hate whatever Lord to make it radio it’s like they did this video just like about Lord saying all this mean stuff like they must and does that I mean do you get tired of that yeah the comments yeah yeah but you’ve never said that I’m I don’t believe all these things I’m just embodying the haters so I’ve never said it’s like a double level priority I said that on a my last video I left a comment on it saying that because that was all the original video is all about how the all the controversy was because she was 12 and he was 28 dancing together right so I said and I blew that a proportion they get arrested at the end because you know anyway and then I left a comment on that I’m like I don’t actually think that that was what all the comments were on the original video so we took that and of course we’re gonna make fun of that because that’s what the news is right that’s people’s yes the perception that’s the perception that’s what people are getting all up in arms about on the original that’s what we’re gonna make fun of now and it’s an interesting thing because it works so well and it’s kind of the key to your success right now you know not that you aren’t capable of other things but you had this this angle that is really working yeah so does that create a do you ever think okay well now my job is I see the latest music video that comes out and now I’ve got to figure out how to embody embody the negative perspective on this video to make my video kind of yeah you have to put a spin on it like uptown funk was really hard that song in the video or awesome like you you see it you’re like okay here it is everybody likes this a lot I’ve got to hate this for everybody yeah and that yeah I think it’s also like and and so tell us what what where you landed and how you got with uptown funk yeah so uptown funk was like it’s very hard to find something sometimes it’s like we let’s do it in a way that’s poking fun of what’s happening in the video as opposed to totally going after the artists cuz sometimes you don’t have anything to go after cuz what can you say about Bruno Mars writing just the cocaine thing that’s it right you got arrested for cocaine and the whole song is like an 80s vibe whatever funk music so we’re like I’ll be funny let’s just at least incorporate the fact that’s why they’re all dancing around the streets with a group of dudes and give them some cocaine you know that would be funny at least we can hit him with one thing there and then then like what’s going on in the video they’re there walking around look trying to pick up women the women are not interested at all stuff like that the fact that you know they’re there why are they driving around the car and they’re all dancing but Mark Ronson’s never allowed to dance so we made this whole thing up like okay mark ronson is never allowed to dance because he just can’t dance and he’s trying to fit in but he can’t fit in so throughout the whole video that was like a concept we made fun of that so there one the Michael Jackson and then Michael Jackson because there was just a news fake news thing that had gone out saying Michael Jackson it’s like it’s his son so we’re like like okay and it went viral one day on Facebook you know how these things are and it was probably trending on Twitter and so we’re like that’s funny like I could actually see some people believing that obviously people people did believe it for a day so if okay so you’re the you’re the master embodiment of haters are your you know hater comment videos what do you call it but her kaaba’s butthurt comments is that just another give me give me the pitch of what those are those what the actual show is what the comments are the show the show is me reading the top five basically angriest comments about me directed directly at me usually it’s like really brutal okay yeah so but it’s funny because it just gets more and more illiterate angrier angrier there yeah I mean what made you think I need to do this reading the comments maybe that was making me laugh really hard because it was like I can just picture these people sitting in their bedrooms pounding on their computer so angry over something that’s meant to make people laugh you know and they take it so seriously so I was like let’s I think it’d be funny to make a serious just reading them and how people responded to it people people love that series the problem is I feel like a lot of the comments now on my videos are all negative because they all want to be on the harder be featured to be featured so so many comments are fake now it’s hard to tell who’s really mad just people going completely over-the-top it’s just all angry which is great for the comments section because then it’s more people fighting but yeah you know yeah I don’t I can’t even read the comments anymore dude I can’t because I had so much notes not has there ever been a comment before it was hard to tell if they were sincere yeah that hit home for years oh this this hit me where it hurts that ever happened to you the tables being turned it’s not so much comments directly attacking me that I care about because that’s whatever you know people can say whatever they want about me and I understand that and it’s fine I think it’s stuff where people are like you’re being a bully or something like that like you’re gonna hurt their feelings where I feel like am I being too mean and I didn’t know people would actually think I was bad there’s like saying this from the bottom of my heart like I mean all this stuff and some people think that and that’s when people actually think that you know let and I’m sure they’re very young and they’re just like that’s what your initial reaction is this is someone who really feels this way because they made a video um that makes me feel sometimes just like bad like because that’s not my intention to be misunderstood yeah I don’t want but I’d that’s like it like I said it’s like if I met these artists in person like when I met pitbull or someone like that like I would be the first thing I would say is like I’m a huge fan of you guys like I didn’t just wasn’t meant to be taken seriously I hope you would know that and when people don’t know that it makes me feel like I I hope that the artists don’t feel that way mm-hmm if you had to if you had to parody yourself I’m going to so I’m gonna start I’m doing original music okay here we’re gonna start doing original music why the hell not I’ve studied pop music I know it you know I’m gonna do a music video and I’m gonna parody my own music video figure why the okay so the first one is it gonna be a comedy song or a snow there’s gonna be serious like but serious fun right like like Ke$ha that’s pop hip-hop okay it’s serious but it’s fun light-hearted light-hearted I don’t it’s not jokes it’s not it’s no it’s not jokes hearty music the video could be funny right so it’s something that could play on the radio that’s catchy that’s not like oh this is comedy but the video itself would be comedy because with you who would you want to play you if you weren’t gonna put pair to yourself because that would be it yeah that would be a total turn the tables if you know well that would probably happen right if I put out a music video on my channel of myself doing an original song I’m sure people are gonna make a parody of it right they’re like we got it let’s get him back no but you said you were gonna produce the pair and I’m gonna do it and play myself okay can I make a suggestion that’d be hilarious yes Vanilla’s oh my god dude vanilla ice this is here play you second uh this is yesterday Roman Atwood kept call me Vanilla Ice all day well there’s the Miami thing yeah I mean he’s he’s got he’s got a lot of years on you he just got arrested – for stealing from my home it was it was a misunderstanding I believe it I think you okay I think it wasn’t either but I mean I’m not saying it should be him but that would really do it is if you allowed someone that would play you because you know when you play yourself there’s only so much all he’s making fun of himself that is fun you didn’t ask my opinion right and I’ve given you three right that’s interesting well you can parody multiple ones maybe you wanted yourself maybe one is call it robber no I mean Winkle on Ebro and probably do it yeah you would that before I’m not gonna say he would but I would I would hope that he would there’s a lot of stuff to make fun of me for I’m excited so so lastly I think that’s brilliant so what got my idea but just your idea to do it I can’t wait to see so what would you do it on that before you know you’re gonna obviously you’re you’re already thinking about this yeah like if you had if you have to think about the things that you would sort of zero in about yourself to parity I think what people what people perceive me as right a douchebag that’s like one of the main comments I’ll get I mean that’s a lot of people get that you know they make fun of when I have my hair gone that’s like it’s higher than yours so I got a stupid little faux hawk and his big glasses look just stupid earrings I’m gonna loser stuff like that right it’s like oh what a poser he’s trying to be like Bieber he wears his hats backwards like Bieber like you know stuff like that oh you were supras his apparel his apparel embodies miami what does that mean right right so I mean look at thinking like that we could go and read we could find so many awesome things to make fun of me for which is what people are making fun of me for and that they can relate to that because they’re the ones saying it what’s the and we all have insecurities but what you know would you be willing to tell us what’s what’s an actual insecurity an actual insecurity like you know Bart Baker going to sleep at night that the thought in his head that if this thing was ever a comment um I would hurt jeez that’s tough there’s nothing you don’t like about yourself oh I mean yeah sure people to know but you but you’re gonna be forced to say on a podcast it doesn’t have to be a secret it could be also something that once people say oh they’re like yeah yeah but I think it’s not like I have a lot of insecurities obviously just about it all that stuff in general because that’s the comments that I read but I can’t really single anything in particular that if I saw and a comment would be like would hit me hard not in a comment I think just my okay not in a comment securities in general um just just people losing interest in Who I am as a person right like falling off the map getting older mm-hmm I am wrapped by a management company that has 14 year olds so it’s crazy to me that how are you I’m 28 nobody knows how old I am really except for freaking Wikipedia that I mean that that’s like an insecurity just in the space yeah right now it’s so it’s getting so young because how old do you feel like you need to be perceived as to be to remain successful um what’s that number I feel like everyone I meet thinks I’m 21 to 25 so I don’t know why that’s like the sweet spot but I think 25 if you can stay 25 for a long time yeah you know because then 30 scary I mean that’s coming up and then I don’t know it’s like people are people gonna change their perception of me and then it’s also strange because I’m meeting all these fans and they’re so young but they’re like oh my god we love you you’re so cute and stuff when it’s just like strange because they don’t know how old I am they don’t have any cut they don’t have any be your father Yeah right wasn’t making a joke he was he was being seen to be your father kid I might be no but I might be I’m joking I don’t want to derail this sincerity here because I appreciate it you know I’m about to be 37 and I know a guy who already is you know mean just to put the just to put the shoe on the other foot yeah I’ve got gray hair yeah I don’t want anybody to know that yeah you know like I have to shave because there’s gray hair down here in the beer right like you can probably see it now because it’s been a long day it’s like I you know what if somebody comments about that right and it scares me that coming oh there’s that yeah I have that insecurity and so you know I’ll put that out there since I put you on the spot that I’ll for sure that’s a comma that if you think you’re old you’ve made us just feel that much worse it’s just it’s so it says it’s just the space is so strangely young right now right yeah and it’s not YouTube in general I feel like the most successful people on YouTube were all older right now still like they’re they’re not 14 they’re not even in their teens a lot of them are 20s 30s but you have to but you have to have this conversation with yourself and so DeWitt yeah so what if the thing is like in it it’s like harder like how long will I keep getting Instagram followers who’s looking at my pictures when I am like you know in ten years am I gonna take post up selfie and have like 13 year-olds click like you know what I mean but that’s the audience that’s so engaged on those platforms they are I mean I think that you you know we relate to this already already being 10 years ahead of you yeah I think that you know one of the things that that we hope is that you know the reason the reason they’re so young is because this is so new yeah but they’re gonna stick around right right no yeah for sure but I think that you know you’re you’re kind of given an answer to the insecurities but I think that it’s it’s kind of just an interesting just to say hey this is what it is and we can rationalize and that’s a true rationalization yeah and maybe they won’t maybe they maybe they won’t stick around and maybe this is we’ve all peeked maybe that’s maybe that’s the reality maybe we’ve all peeked yeah and then we just got to figure out how to channel it and you know and make a living yeah that could be a reality at the same time it’s like we’re doing content that’s actually content driven and as opposed to content that’s and driven by the fact that we’re cute right it’s not like the girls are watching these videos like oh he’s so cute what a fun little video they’re like this video is good and funny we’re watching it and it’s actually viral right but so then it goes to the other end security that you seem to say what if people actually think I’m a douche bag yeah yeah that another one I think insecurities awake at night so to speak that’s just an insecurity I have in general always when I don’t when I when I’m when I first meet people it’s very hard for me to tell what they think because they all have a perception of me as this guy at the end of its videos right like yo guys what’s up thanks for watching my parody blah blah blah and that’s just me on camera getting people to watch more parodies that’s how I am in front of the camera I’m different when I’m off the camera and people don’t know that until they meet me so I always kind of have this thing in the back of my mind like do they what do they think right now do they think I’m this freaking like wannabe white rapper guy who’s like in your face 24/7 this is like a d-bag who’s just trying to make money on YouTube like so that’s it’s hot first impression stuff like that it’s hard for me to tell how people actually feel yeah I mean that’s just how it is in general and the so you’re describing somewhere between a character bar Baker yeah or just a and amped up this is not a normal interpersonal volume right that I a dot yeah I think and then that’s like the first thing everyone says to is like well you’re super mellow compared to your videos but like when you met me or I know you met Rhett last time yeah was that it is does it does it go through your mind like when you meet people like us is that what’s happening wow they you know I wonder if they’ll get to know the actual Bart I think it goes through my mind whenever I meet somebody in the space when we first meet it’s like it’s very hard to tell what people’s intentions are when you’re meeting them and we’re all cuz it’s like some people are so some people are so selfish and they’re all been they’re bitter that you’re successful like you know even if they’re successful and it’s like you’re like what’s up dude you they’re like nice to meet you and you can’t tell if they really think it’s nice to meet you if they’re just saying that you know because it’s like let’s make friends with all the other people who are doing well so we can all do well together and it’s all fake it’s hard to tell what’s real it’s just that it’s hard and this may not be friends but let’s collab yeah let’s let’s collab and then let’s never talk yeah you know stuff like that and then I don’t know there’s it’s just uh it’s it’s unfortunate but everyone kind of is like I feel like has a little chip on their shoulder like is this person being truthful or is this person trying to get my email address and be like let’s shoot a video let’s well there is that dynamic that when someone is succeeding you’re you’re like I want to be happy for them I want to know how they’re doing it sure and I wish I could that was me yeah and and we all and if we’ve been in this for a long time like you have yeah there’s been so many ebbs and flows that you see oh well this is working for them now this is not working for us anymore though this is really working for us right now and yeah it’s uh it’s like a sort of weird high school debate team competition that never goes away well the whole the whole thing especially VidCon playlist I feel like it’s a it’s like a popularity competition still right it’s like oh well how many Instagram father do you have it’s it’s interesting I mean you’re describing kind of the interpersonal interactions between creators and youtubers but I think that anyone can relate to I think it’s a good lesson for anyone to learn that uh we well you know it’s as humans for some reason we just want to make a snap judgment about somebody and just put them in a box slap a label on them you know and you have to fight that you know I feel like this conversation is a reminder for me and getting to know you that you know okay my tendency maybe it’s a human tendency maybe it’s just a link problem is to want to put somebody in a box and slap a label on the box and say okay I have a formed opinion about this person because I watched the first half of eight videos yeah you know and then I skipped to the end block once and now I can make a vanilla ice joke you know yes I mean who’s who’s that who’s the bad guy here the person that I put in the box or me you know and I think I hope that it’s a human tendency and it’s not just my problem no they want to want to label people right and so I think this is a good reminder that yeah you know okay and I’ll just give an example I think I didn’t anticipate your answer your rationale behind embodying the haters instead of just saying oh that I’m just doing this for the views or I really believe this you know I just found myself thinking well there’s a couple options here and I’m just gonna I’m gonna choose the most likely one and then I’m gonna come at it from that angle right and it wasn’t it wasn’t your answer so it kind of surprised me a little bit said okay maybe everything you assume is not correct about somebody yeah about you in this case or yeah people in general I think that’s a that’s a good lesson it is so thanks Bart oh no problem glad I could help well we’ll be following your dad on Instagram yeah you need to and my mom has one too oh really go ahead and throw that up I think it’s just Bart’s mom Bart Baker’s mom oh really she’s yeah she’s chief and moms do 600 likes a picture she’s Bart’s mom really yeah mom Janek I’m trying to get some brand deals man she’s good like 10% next time they’re here we’ll we’ll see if we can give them your biscuit but for now it’s time for you to sign the table hot dope dim lighting let’s do it thanks man it’s fine yeah yeah that was funny it got really interesting actually oh it did yeah I mean I didn’t you can share something you learned too if this is like show-and-tell I what did I learn I just what did you learn today Bart I learned that that talking about my feelings surrounding YouTube and my insecurities is good it makes you feel better in the long run and there you have it our Bart bass work Bart bass gir Bart Baker be a skit it’s what I thought I was gonna get some great alliteration and a good a said Bart bass get Barlow at the Bart Baker biscuit is the Bart bass kid let Bart know and us know at the same time what you think of our conversation with him on Twitter tweet at him Bart Baker and use hashtag ear biscuits we truly appreciate when you guys tweet at our guest and include us we read those I know they do I feel like I’ve learned I learned some stuff I’m curious if you did I did you are my people have you people yeah yeah people here in the room with me one of the fascinating things that I found I always love to learn about the process that someone applies to something like this and I think I along with most everyone else brings a certain set of assumptions to the process and when I watch a Bart Baker music video a lot of times I’m like oh man he’s going there he’s saying that thing about this artist because he believed harsh it’s an artistic it’s a artistic representation of his personal opinion that would be the perception right right but what I learned in talking with Bart is that he is essentially taking what the Internet is already saying about this person and their video and he’s distilling it channeling the collective criticism yet the internet is fascinating and it does two things number one user beam of criticism but it there’s two things and number one thing is is when you do that you’re tapping into what people want to be said about something and that it helps to explain the crazy popularity I mean there’s lots of things that explain the crazy popularity of these videos you know the fact that the production design is amazing the fact that he looks as much as you can look like a person who is not you the fact that the musical production is exactly a recreation of it but you add in the fact that he’s saying the things that the Internet’s already saying but he’s saying them in a funny way that fits into the context of the song yeah I mean it’s just a recipe for a lot of hits all new YouTube but it makes me think of the the principle of persuasion that you can either tell somebody to do something or you can help you can get someone to do something by getting them to think they came up with it and this reminds me of that in a little way that you know you think that I have tremendous insight and I’m not saying he doesn’t but his insight is channeling their criticism and making it seem like giving them something to resonate it’s like hearing it and giving it back to them that’s a not a principle of persuasion it is and I don’t want to belittle the fact that borrow Bart and the guys that he works with genius they’re they’re writing I mean they’re not just taking ideas from comments but the fact that they are heavily informed by the general tide in the general public perception of a person a lot of alliteration in that sentence I think that’s even more genius in one sense leave us a review on iTunes and comment along with the conversation on soundcloud those things help us out as well and you know we’ll continue to help you out if as long as you consider this help I don’t know if this is a help or just entertainment for you I mean you know make it three but it’s like hey listen is your drive as long as we can find the bread dough we will keep coming back and making biscuits and that was an analogy about what keep getting paid it was just literally he means literally we have we have we have dough here and you would believe it it’s we’re surrounded in it right surround it by it [Music] [Music]