(mellow music) – Welcome to Ear Biscuits, I’m Rhett. – And I’m Link. Joining us this week at the round table of dim lighting, we have invited Mythical Crew member Kevin to come in here and we are going to have an intriguing conversation about the world’s longest running treasure hunt on a haunted island. – Well the haunted part– – Question mark? – It’s a– – On a very mysterious island. – It’s at least mysterious. Incredibly intriguing conversation with Kevin about something very mythical. The reason that we’re doing this– we actually asked Kevin to find something that he knew just based on his history with us and the kinds of things we find interesting. To find something mythical for us to talk about. – Yeah. – Because I think that that’s one of the things that Ear Biscuits is becoming, is a podcast where we explore mythicality. – Now by mythical, we don’t mean fake or legendary stuff. – You know that– – You know that. You’re a mythical beast already. – But actually in writing The Book of Mythicality, we really started to understand what mythicality meant. What it mean to be mythical. Creativity, curiosity, and tomfoolery being the tenets of mythicality. So we kind of hone it on the curiosity aspect of mythicality tonight with Kevin. – Yeah so while we’re talking about the book, we will let you know it is available for pre-order right now at bookofmythicality.com I think we’ve communicated this a number of times and we’ve talked about the book but maybe we haven’t communicated it quite as fully as we could have. Because I think a lot people are like I don’t know what this book’s gonna be, I trust that it’s gonna be good if you guys are excited about it but– – I think whatever you think it’s gonna be, it’s in there because everything that we can think of like personal stories, weird illustrations, intriguing tales. – We poured a whole lot of ourselves in there so I think it is one part memoir, so you get a lot of the things that we’ve shared growing up together and working together for years that we think have brought mythicality to our lives. But there’s also just all kinds of things that we find mythical in the world in history. And it’s kinda tied into 20 different aspects of mythicality and kind of how we interact with those in our own lives and then how we’ve seen other people embody those things. It was a blast to put together. – There is a whole chapter related to something akin to buried treasure. – Yeah, that’s in there. – [Link] Now I’m not gonna– – Don’t give away too much. – I don’t wanna give away too much right now. – It’s about burying something. – Yeah, and how you can get involved in that. – I think the point is is that by writing the book, I think it brought more definition to what it is that we’ve been trying to do with all the work that we’ve done over the past decade together and even beyond that, even before that, and it’s also brought definition to what we wanna do when we have a conversation on Ear Biscuits, the kind of things that we want to explore. So it all kinda works together. So if you’re a mythical beast, if you’ve been a mythical beast for any amount of time, or if you’re just finding this for the first time, we think, I mean we wrote the book so that you would enjoy it but we are very confident that you’re gonna enjoy it. – bookofmythicality.com in unison, you don’t have to type in unison. – You can though. – I was just gonna– – It would probably go to the wrong website. – I think it would just like go to somewhere else. – I think it would give you an error. An HTTP error. – You gotta slash in unison. It’ll still take you to the right place. – That’s actually a different website. – I don’t know. So we’re gonna talk to Kevin and tap into that curiosity that we all enjoy. But first I should give you and update. I wanna give you an update on my daughter Lily’s major back surgery. Now that it’s over, I wanna thank all of you for your support, for your prayers, just your consideration. A lot of people, you sent gifts and cards of encouragement to her and it was all very touching and it really helped. So the great news it that the surgery went exactly how we hoped. It went off without a hitch. She had severe scoliosis, which was her back was curved sideways like an S. I mean looking at the x-rays, I mean I talked about this on the other Ear Biscuit so you can go back and listen to that but it definitely floored us back in January so a lot of this year has been leading up to the surgery. Which as of the recording of this episode, was one week ago. One week ago right now, we were moving into her hospital room where she would spend the next five days. Now she’s at home recovering. She’s doing great. It’s amazing now she can roll over in bed, roll out of bed, walk around, walk down our street, take pictures of flowers. – She’s taking pictures? – [Link] That’s what she likes to do. – I didn’t think the doctor would allow that. – Taking pictures has very little to do with the fusion of your spine. – Right. – Which was fused from L4 to, let’s see, L is– – [Rhett] L is at the bottom. – L is at the bottom, T is at the top. T4 to L3. Which is the vast majority of her back. And she’s got a scar that she’s very proud of, and we all are, that goes the majority of her back that’s healing up great. But the fact that they went in there and they put two metal rods that they custom bent, they smushed her spine to be back, no longer in an S, they custom bent rods– – I don’t even understand how they did that. – So she could have proper posture. And then they attached those rods using titanium screws, huge screws, into her vertebrae. – You know how many people– – And six weeks after that, she’s fully recovered basically! – You know how many people they had to go through before they got to the point where they do it this way? – Oh yeah, they– – Think about the first guy. – Oh my goodness, it wasn’t– – They just opened up the back and they were like, “What do we do now? “Maybe we’ll push– “You pull this way, I’ll pull that way. And then he died. I mean seriously. – Well yeah. I mean someone who is like a last resort type of thing. – Well actually– – My kids are asking what happened. – Well for the vast majority of history, you just lived with it. – Maybe we could get a doctor in here to talk about that. Maybe Lily’s doctor will come in here. Dr. Tolo, he was amazing. – But seriously though. For like 99.99% of human history, human history is what, 200,000 years or more– – And there’s plenty of people who, you’re saying who lived with it and that was it? – I’m saying the vast majority of people you’ve ever lived, just lived with it and wherever it ends up, because it increases over time. I know that’s one of the reasons that you got it corrected. – [Link] Right. – But then you just think, okay, you’re born in 1950 and then they’ve got some sort of thing that they do. But you were telling me that 20 years ago– – What it does is progress, you can’t– it smushes your organs in such a way that you die. – But you were saying that 20 years ago, you’d be in a cast, like a full body cast, or maybe I don’t know, 30 years ago, whatever, for like six months. – Yeah. – And now they figured out that, oh if we get them moving right after, and they’ve got all these amazing medicines that they can give you, pain relievers and stuff. – So that you’re able to get up and walk. The first night– let me tell you a little bit about the surgery and then I’ll get back to that point in terms of her recovery. But I just wanted to share the experience with you guys. We got up at 4 am to get to the, I was about to say the airport, we didn’t have to fly anywhere. – Right, sometimes it feels like an airport though. – To get to the hospital by like five. It wasn’t until 7:45 that she went into surgery so there’s like all this prep and checking in and taking blood again and all this stuff. It’s so nerveracking to know that, okay, this is it, this is the moment we’ve been waiting for all year and it’s about to happen. I think she was most concerned about getting the happy juice, is what they called it, which kinda relaxes you in the pre-op place before they give you an IV. – Did they offer you some? – Well Christy asked for some because she was pretty anxious at the moment. – But they didn’t do that. – They did not. They did not give her or me any of the happy juice. – They have that at the hospital bar (laughing). – But she, I think Lily was just concerned about, was it gonna feel like– because she was told that she wouldn’t remember stuff at a certain point so what’s it feel like to stop being able to remember. – I would say nothing at all. – It doesn’t feel like anything at all. You don’t remember. So then they gave her the IV and then they said we’re gonna wheel you into surgery and mom and dad you can walk with us til we get to the– we came to these doors that were, in my memory they were orange, so I guess they were orange. I didn’t take the happy juice, I think I’d remember. – In my memory, they were what they actually are. – The were alarmingly colored doors that we were not allowed to go through. – That’s why they’re orange. – And then the nurses who were wheeling her in said, “Okay, this is where you have the hugs and kisses.” Because they didn’t wanna say, this is where you say goodbye because that would be really morbid and tap right into our fears that we were saying goodbye. – Right, because there’s what, like a one in 1,000– I don’t know, a small chance. It happens to somebody. People go under for general anesthesia and they don’t wake up. – Well and there’s risk of paralysis, yeah, or death. I mean I had to sign a form that spelled out literally pointed all this things out like these are the– it is very, very unlikely but she could die, she could be paralyzed. You know, it’s freaking scary. We didn’t do it right before that– we did it months before that moment. – Right, they don’t want– they don’t put too much on you at once. – But even in that moment, that was a very difficult moment when we were saying, you know, kissing her and hugging her and saying, “Alright, we’ll be waiting.” And that I think– because you don’t know when the toughest point’s gonna be. Because you knew the surgery was gonna last a long time. But I’ll say after the fact, that was definitely in top three, maybe the worst point when it’s like you know, okay, you’re actually saying, “I’ll see you on the other side of this surgery.” So that was pretty difficult. But then they whisk her away and they whisk us into an elevator and down into the waiting room. And they give you a pager so you can walk around, like a restaurant type pager. But then they have screens up there that have her number, they don’t have her name, so no one else would know where this person is. So she had her number and you’re just constantly looking up there waiting. It was six and a half hours of waiting. – Yeah, that’s crazy. – The surgery was– actually we kinda found out later, they started the surgery late. So the actual surgery was five hours. But we were out there waiting and all the board told us was she was in the operating room or pre-op which she had already past that. She was in the operating room according to that screen for six and a half hours. And then they moved her to recovery and that’s when we could go see her. And they came out every three hours and said everything’s going okay. – But every time they come out, you’re like– – [Link] Really. – What are they gonna say? – Yeah it’s like that moment when somebody comes– and there was just a receptionist that they would call and the receptionist would relay it. And I thought if something was really going wrong, someone else would come out. So I found ways to take comfort in my interpretation of how they would do things if they were going wrong that were different than how they actually told me. But that six and a half hours, I mean, you were there, we had other friends there, it was extremely helpful to pass the time. Christy had friends that brought a cheese plate. – Gotta have a cheese plate. – Let’s have a party. – Charcuterie. – We were like offering some charcuterie to other people there. Because other people’s kids are in there too. – Everybody needs charcuterie. – There was another number who was waiting for seven hours. So it’s not like we were the only people going through something this scary. And then we finally met with the doctor and he said everything went great. They straightened her out. He said, “We actually went too far “and then had to come back a little bit.” – [Rhett] Overcorrection. – Well there’s an art to it, apparently. You know, you’re bending these rods manually. You got a freaking blacksmith in there, dink, dink. – Yeah, it’s very hot and they had to stick it in water. – It may be horses in there too, I don’t know. – [Rhett] I doubt it. – There’s a reason they don’t let me in there. – [Rhett] You would’ve– – I don’t wanna see the blacksmith or bump anybody. – The risk of you getting injured by being in the operating room was significantly higher than the risk of Lily. (laughter) Just because of your presence there. – Well if you mention an IV or blood, I’m probably gonna faint. Lily was laughing at me half the time every time they’d talk about the IV. The doctor said everything went great and then we go back there and her face is all swollen, her lips are swollen, it looked like she had had some sort of plastic surgery. – Well maybe they threw in a freebie. – You give her a lip enlargement for free? Or you would’ve charged me for that. – The Cali package. – But it was because she’s face down for five hours while they’re doing the surgery. – But was it face down on like a massage donut or something? – Well he didn’t let me in, I don’t know. I didn’t ask that question. – Well there had to be something that– – It was on something, yeah. – It was like just put her facedown in a pillow. – Yeah, they wouldn’t suffocate her (laughing) Yeah, I imagine that it was like a massage table donut. – But just being in the same position for six hours without moving alone is enough to– – And she was very groggy. Before we went back there, her legs were moving around so much, which is a great sign. – I’d say so. – But they were moving so much that they had to sedate her more because she was moving around too much because she was disoriented. So by the time we saw her, she was more sedated and it took her an hour before we were able to have a conversation. And we told her, “You’re back’s straight,” and she started crying. And you know, the anesthesia, it can make you really emotional. And I was like, “Are you okay?” She was like, “I’m just so happy.” And it was great that like that was her first reaction, was like tears of joy that it worked. So by that night, they moved her into the hospital bed. As a practice, they make you sit up the first night. She sat up, vomited what she was able to drink, because she was on clear liquids. She was so weak. The next morning, they got her to stand up and take a few steps, which was extremely dramatic. – I saw that video. – I wasn’t there for that. – You missed your daughter’s first steps. – I was with the boys because it was important. – Excuses. – We both couldn’t stay there the first night. I stayed with the boys to be a support structure for them and then I got there as soon as I could after getting them off to school. So I missed that. But if was there, I probably would’ve gotten vomited all over because she took two steps, vomited again, and then she had to get two units of blood over that day to get some sort of strength because of what she lost during the surgery. But then she really turned a corner after that so then the next day, she was up walking. She had to demonstrate she could walk up stairs before she could come home. It’s miraculous what– we talked to a woman from back in North Carolina who’s a friend of ours, who’s 50 years old who went through the same surgery, and she said it took her a year to recover. – [Rhett] Oh yeah. – It’s gonna take Lily six weeks to recover. – Yeah the age is such a significant thing. – I’m like can you feel these titanium bars in your back? She’s like no I kinda feel like– she kinda turns like Batman. She can turn her neck. But she’s not used to the way her muscles– the way her back sits now– – I’m sure she’s got a– – But she doesn’t feel the– – And you’ve gotta heal completely before you’re ready to start moving it around. – But she doesn’t feel the bars. And I’m not like poking on her back or anything. – I wouldn’t suggest doing that for a while. – Yeah (laughing). But she made it. I think the final big milestone was when we got in the van leaving the hospital to come home and she gets in the front seat with all her pillows, Christy’s in the backseat and I’m in the driver’s seat, and I just had a flashback to the day we found out that she was gonna have to have surgery, like the first diagnosis, the story I told where we got back in the minivan and all three of us just cried, and I feel like it came full circle when we got in the minivan again leaving the hospital for the first time and we all looked at each other and Lily was like, “We did it.” So the first time in the minivan it was like we need to do this, I need this surgery. That was her take immediately. We had to be convinced it was the right thing to do. And then at the end it was like, we did it. So I’ll never forget that moment when we could breathe a sigh of relief and know that it was successful. I mean there’s weeks of recovery ahead of us but I’m so grateful to of course all the doctors and nurses. I can do the Jimmy Kimmel thing. But I’m not going to. Where he mentioned all the doctors and nurses. – Well you can mention the Children’s Hospital. – Children’s Hospital of LA, yeah. – Yeah. – Donate to them. – Yeah. – I’ll jump on the Jimmy Kimmel wagon. – Do that. – I’ve done it, you should do it too. – Yeah they do amazing work there and yeah. It’s not over, but for the most part it’s over so. I wanted to give you the update and that’s it. – Well we’re glad that your bionic daughter is– – Yeah, she’s part wolverine and part vampire, getting other people’s blood. – Well on her way to 100%. – Yeah man. And now let’s shift gears and get to something more intriguing and not related to the heaviness of back surgery. Now that that’s behind us, bring Kevin in here. – But first, we’re gonna take a short break to let you know about these not butter flavored but buttered looking Ear Biscuits mason jars now available at rhettandlink.com/store – I’m saying they look like jars coated in biscuit batter. But with a three dimensional Ear Biscuit logo on the front. But it’s not biscuit batter, it’s just a jar. You can put anything in it– – It’s ceramic. Including biscuit batter. – It holds liquids. We currently have liquids in here. The liquid that I’m drinking today is water. Also, Ear Biscuits is brought to you by water. They would do things like that on Sesame Street, remember that? Because they didn’t have sponsors because it was like public. – Yeah. – Brought to you by water. – But that ain’t us brother. – This ain’t public, man. – Water. – We haven’t gone public yet, when we do– – Water just paid for that. Get yours at rhettandlink.com/store – Yes, now on to the biscuit. (mellow music) – So Kevin did you have to travel for this? Are you coming back from a journey? – Only from my desk to here. (laughter) – You traversed the internet. – Yes. – I like to pretend that we sent you out. – We don’t have that kinda budget, man. – If this goes well, maybe we will. – Yeah, we could– – Maybe we’ll commission and send him forth. – But you wear all khaki. – I mean I did watch a lot of History Channel which usually makes me feel like I’m going to a place. – [Rhett] Oh yeah. – Do you like khaki? – Um. – I’ve never seen you in much khaki. – I don’t like khaki, no. – Like Stevie has that khaki onesie that she wears. And she has a ranger hat. – She’s the only person I know besides cartoon characters (laughter) that has khaki onesies. – You could do it, man. – Listen, but we gotta say, if we start sending you out like go forth son, I definitely think you should wear a khaki onesie and it could be like a sponsorship deal. (laughter) – Those male rompers. – If you’re a maker of a khaki onesie and you’re willing to sponsor a trip– – It’s a romp-him. – Let us know. – You’ve seen them. – Romp-him? – A romp-him. Like a romp-her, but for him. – Yeah, I’ve see them. – I think as a treasure hunter, khaki shorts would be a given. So I feel like I’d have to. – Pants, I think. – You might have to wear a belt to make other treasure hunters think that you’re wearing two different things. (laughter) Because you don’t want other treasure hunters to know that you have a romper on. So you gotta wear a belt to separate it. – I could do that. – So this is the world’s longest running treasure hunt? – This is the world’s longest running treasure hunt in history. – And you’re part of it now. – I am part of it, yeah. – And are you gonna suck us in? – I am, I’m not an expert by any means. – We don’t need those. – Nope. – But I am well versed. – Don’t say that. – I am an expert. – You are an expert. – That’s better, that’s better. I’d believe you if you were wearing a khaki romp-him. – Sounds like a command. Romp him, now. – I don’t wanna ask the followup question of what that means so instead I’ll ask where do we start? – Set the stage. – I’m gonna tease you guys first. – Oh yes. – [Kevin] I have a teaser for this. – Tease it. – But also I just gotta say you know, I did Ear Biscuits on the other end for a year. – We hired Kevin to produce Ear Biscuits. That was your first job with us. – Yep. – And then between the research and the people and then we started branching out doing other stuff, we saw a burgeoning potential to move you over to Good Mythical Morning when Ear Biscuits slowed down. – And it was great. This is the first time I’ve had a guest perspective coming in. – Yeah. – And I’ve done this so many times and I got nervous coming in here. (laughter) – And you know what it is? It’s the dim lighting. – Yeah the dim lighting. – Dim lighting. – You feel like you’re being lulled into something where you’re gonna be taken advantage of. – You do. I used to set the dim lighting. – Yeah. That’s why you should have your romper on. (laughter) – So we could romp you. – You start teasing us, you better be wearing that romper. – You know you’re gonna get romped. (laughter) – Oh god. Alright, okay, let’s move on. – You’re doing the romping. – I’m doing the romping. I’m gonna romp and tease right now. So this longest running treasure hunt, I’m gonna tell you what it involves. It involves a deep pit on a small island, a small haunted island. – Oh. – [Kevin] Booby traps. – Booby. – Pirates and conquistadors. It involves a path of crazed dogs with fiery eyes. – What! – Motorcycle daredevils. – Kevin. – A crow. – No you didn’t. You didn’t bring the crow into this did you. They’re smart. – [Kevin] They are smart. – He’s not making it up. (laughter) – A US President. – How’s a Pres– – I’ll tell you which one later. John Wayne, and quite possibly but not actually, the Holy Grail. – But you spoiled that one. But not probably, but probably not. – But maybe? We’ll see, we’ll see. – Leave the possibility open. – Yes, the best way to do this is from the beginning. – Okay. – So we’re gonna start from 1795. – Alright. – Put yourself there. There’s an island called Oak Island. It’s off the coast of Nova Scotia, Canada. In the Atlantic Ocean. – There’s one off of North Carolina too but this is not that one. – No, it looks like the shape of a peanut sort of. Now in 1795, now this has a lot of history to it. Pirates and they say it’s haunted. The first settlers of the island believed in was haunted. There was always strange lights emitting from the island. There’s a story about two fisherman in the 1800s that went exploring and they were never seen again. In 1795, a teenager named Daniel McGuinness saw some lights coming off the island. So he grabbed two of his buddies and they went out there exploring. Those two guys were John Smith and Anthony Vaughn. What they discovered was– – John Smith. – John Smith. – A boring name. – (laughing) Anthony Vaughn’s okay though. – That’s what you didn’t tease, “And a guy named John Smith.” – (laughing) Yeah. Well Daniel McGuinness and these two guys saw this circular depression in the ground and they thought something’s under there. So they started digging. Well they had to go get shovels and whatnot, but they started digging and they got 10 feet down. And after 10 feet they hit a floor of oak logs. Now Oak Island was called Oak Island because it used to be filled with Oak trees. So maybe not that uncommon that they see a floor there but they dig 10 feet down more to 20 feet. – These guys are digging like crazy. – They’re digging. – That’s a deep hole. – With shovels? – With shovels, yeah. – They broke through– – They broke through the wood floor. – Oak floor? – Yeah like wood Oak floor, logs. Get through that 20 feet, there was another floor. – What? – They break through that. They go down to 30 feet, another wood floor. This time, they’re a little bit tired. They’re 30 feet down, they’re a little– – Do we have any idea how long this took? – It sounds like days. – Yeah, took a little while. – Weeks. – They were camping there for a while. – They were 30 feet down and they were in over their heads. – Kevin. – Well they were already there at 10 feet. (laughter) – I heard that on The History Channel, that wasn’t me. (laughter) – Credit, all credit to History Channel. – You will be a great dad one day. (laughter) – I know, I’m practicing. So here’s what they do. They decide, we’re in over our heads, we need to get some help. They do, but it takes them eight years. – Did they hide the hole or– – You know, that’s unclear. – [Link] Eight years. – They must’ve because nobody else stumbled on it. – I mean it is a little island in the middle of nowhere, essentially. – Alright so– – Not like there’s a lot of demand for this. – It seems like that you can make this up but then– did they prove this part of it? – They did. So what they did was, eight years later they came back equipped with the Onslow Company. The Onslow Company was just a company that believed them and they had a crew and they had some money and some equipment. So they came out, they started digging. They got past that 30 mark. They got to 40 feet, guess what was there? – Logs. – Logs, but there was also a layer of charcoal that was found. – What? – Kinda weird, right? Kinda weird, charcoal and logs. – Somebody camping down there. – Let’s go to 50 feet. – Cooking, cooking. I mean you bury charcoal when you’re cooking a pig, the Hawaiians. – You think somebody’s been cooking a pig? – Not that deep. – Digging 40 feet deep? But if you’re on an island and you go 40 feet deep, aren’t you hitting water table at some point? – Oh, we’ll get there. – But not yet. – 50 feet deep, another layer of logs. And this time, some putty on top. – Oh it’s definitely a barbecue at this point. (laughter) – [Kevin] Some putty. – What’s the diameter of this hole? When you’re going 50 feet deep, this is like a huge hole. This is like a crater now. – It’s a big– I have a picture. It’s a big circle. – [Rhett] Well you can dig, I mean when you dig a well, you don’t have to keep maintaining the slope when you dig if you’re buttressing it properly? – Don’t ask me. You got the civil engineering degree. – Yeah I took a whole class in hole digging. – [Kevin] It sounds right. – Buttressing is very important. – They buttressed down to 60 feet. – Golly. – And down there, this is where it gets a little strange. Another floor and there was some coconut fiber down there. Now there wasn’t a coconut tree for 1500 miles. – Coconut fiber? – Yes, coconut fiber. So coconut fiber, did a little research. Coconut fiber back in the day was used on ships, pirate ships, as something that they would line valuables with to protect it. So they would have a chest, they’d shove a bunch of coconut fiber in there, and then put the valuable in there and close it up. – Like packing peanuts. – Like packing peanuts, exactly. – Pirate packing peanuts. – Exactly. – At this point, I would think that I was digging through a ship that had gotten buried sideways. (laughter) – Yeah like a– – Oak boards every 10 feet. Like a ship that somehow got on its end. And you were like digging through rooms. That’s what it is, right? – But they’re hoping at this point they’re gonna strike treasure. I mean that’s why this company comes out there. – Yes. – Even before they’re hitting coconut husks. – Right. – There’s a company involved because they want some money. – That’s right. – But there not really indication– – No. – But it’s just a– – It’s just a mysterious hole. – Wishful thinking. – Wishful thinking. – Let me ask one question. – Yes. – Without spoiling anything about where this is going, I don’t want you to tell me anything about where this is going, but this aspect of it seems so crazy. This aspect of it has been verified by modern day people? – Right, yep. – Everything you’ve told us is true. – [Kevin] Yes. – This isn’t like these guys could just be making this up but this isn’t that long ago. – I asked that at 20 feet, by the way. And now you’re asking at 60 feet. – Well yeah. I believed the 20 feet. – Yeah, okay. – There’s a lot of variables, but yeah a lot of testing. A lot of professors involved in this, scientists. – Professors is good. – Professors is good. – Professors want a cut of that money too, man. Gold coins. – They don’t get paid extra though. They have to give it to the school. If you find something as a professor, I think you have to put it in the library. – So they’re 60 feet at this point. – 60 feet. We’re gonna skip down now to 90 feet. It gets more interesting at 90 feet. – What. – Because at 90 feet, they find the first real clue. It’s a cement slab. I’m gonna– it’s actually not cement, it’s a stone slab. – Looks like a headstone. – Maybe you can kinda describe that for the audio listeners here and see if you can translate it. – Well it’s two lines of I don’t– like symbols that are like triangles, circles with lines through them, an arrow– – [Rhett] Star, arrow, triangle, colons, percent signs, crosses– – [Link] One of those is theta. – I would say this is Dingbats. – Yeah, Dingbats font. – Webdings (laughing) – Yeah. – Webding font. – Yeah and so this is– well obviously somebody was on the internet. This was the beginning of Word. – Yeah, basically. – Microsoft Word. – A professor translated this. Or at least, there’s a theory to his translation here. And what he believes this reads is: 40 feet below, two million pounds are buried. – Oh gosh. Yeah that’s, yeah. – You can see– – [Kevin] Do you see it? – Like forty– – No, he can’t. – No, I’m saying now that you said that. – [Link] Forty. – [Rhett] Yeah, see the triangle and the triangle, feet. This is that triangle and that triangle, yeah. – [Link] I don’t see it, but how many pounds? – [Kevin] Two million pounds. Forty feet below. – That’s money in England. – Yeah, a lot of it. – We’re not talking about like two million pounds of fat that some guy liposucked out of some people. (laughter) – Two million pounds of logs. – Oh they’re not gonna stop now especially when they found this. – And here’s a little side note about this, John Smith, one of the three, John Smith, dudes that went down there, he took this home and apparently he put it in his fireplace. I don’t know why, as a decoration or something, I’m not sure. So this is a replica. – I was gonna say it does look– – That’s fishy. – It almost looks like somebody took white out and drew on a slab. So it definitely seems replica-ish. – Fishy’s good though, but let’s keep going. So now they’re at about the hundred, 110 foot area. So what this company does is they take this iron rod to start probing down lower and they hit another kind of wood. So there’s still hitting things. It was too dark at this point, but what they thought was they might’ve struck the treasure box. But it was dark so they couldn’t go down. Kind of a cliffhanger, they all have to go home at night. They’re very excited. They come back the next day, and this is where the drama kicks in. – Nothing’s there. – No, it is there. Now this pit is filled with water. – What! – So remember I told you earlier there’s some booby traps involved up in this thing? – What. – Here comes the booby traps. Now they didn’t piece this all together til years later. But I’m gonna tell you how these booby traps went. Whoever constructed this, they built a tunnel system underground. What they did was, they built– – So they found out– what you’re telling me now was proven later. – Was proven later, yes. – So we have total– at this point in the story, we know that it was a booby trap. – Yes. – And they piped in water that would fill up the place when you reached a certain depth. – Yes, because what they did was when they prodded with that rod, they unlatched a, basically, a hydraulic door system that was built under there, that opened up and water funneled into this thing. So these guys had no idea. – At 110 feet? – 110 feet, 100 to 110 feet down. These guys didn’t know what it was, so they were using buckets and things trying to empty it but it kept filling. So what they found out later was that whoever constructed this made these five– by the coast they built a damn. And they had these five separate tunnels that all came together into one. And that one tunnel went down to the 110, 100, 110 mark. Feet down in this money pit. And it connected there so that if you struck it, you’d open it up and it would fill with water and you couldn’t go back down it again. – [Link] What. If they wouldn’t have gone home for the night, somebody probably would’ve drowned. – But all this stuff was built before 1795 and the idea of someone being able to drill a hole from the beach to, laterally, to this place, the technology that would be required to do that just so you could bury a treasure. – Probably an alien. – Could be. There’s theories, we’ll get to those. – I’m sure aliens had the technology. – Okay I’m gonna hold off. – Yeah there’s a lot of theories. I’ll tell you some of them later. You can see which ones you like. They couldn’t figure out what to do. They tried a lot of different things, couldn’t figure it out, ran out of money. – So at that time, they did not know that this is what was happening. – Nope. – Because they could’ve gone to the other end and plugged it up and they would’ve solved their problem. But they didn’t know. – Had no idea. They tried everything they could to empty it, that didn’t work. They even tried drilling down another hole next to it and that ended up filling with water. – This is like a Baby Jessica situation. Wasn’t she the one that got caught in the well? – Uh, yeah. – And they dug the hole next to it? – Dug the hole next to the hole, yeah. – Yeah and then the same thing happened with the Colombian guys. – They’re still feeding her. – No she’s out. She’s out now, she got out. I remember I saw it on television. And I cried. – You had cried? – I cried when Baby Jessica came out. You didn’t cry? – I wasn’t into it. I was like alright it’s over. I wasn’t following it. I’m not into soap operas. – Well it’s real. (laughter) – I don’t know anything about it. – Kevin doesn’t even know about it. – I could tell you that they ran out of money and they abandoned their search and 45 years went by with no other searches. So this thing sat filled with water for 45 years until 1848 with the Truro Company came in. This is the next company to come in and start digging around. Now there’s a little math here. So what they did was they dropped a, I think they called it a pod auger? – A pod auger. – Let’s call it that. – Yeah, we’ll call it a pod auger. – So for years, how many years? – 45 years. – They were– I just imagine everybody was talking about this thing but it went from hearsay to myth to legend. And the implication is whoever gets down in there and find the treasure, gets it. – Yeah but it’s Canada. I mean we’re not talking about a lot of people. They don’t get excited about much either. I think if this was like in Mississippi they’d all be really excited about it. But this is Nova Scotia. – Yeah they got better things to do like chill out and be nice. – They already know that money is not the key to happiness anyway. They’re like, it’s a lot of trouble to get down there. – Eh? – And then what do you get, eh, you get two million pounds. Who cares! – Eh. – Eh. You know, so I don’t think, I think you may be misunderstanding the amount of drama but it is still cool. – It’s cool yeah. – But another company’s dropping pods. – Another company is dropping pods and here’s what they discovered. They got back down to the same mark with a pod. And they went through 12 inches– I’m sorry, they went through four inches of oak when they got down to the same point, and then they hit– and this is in the water past that tunnel. – They didn’t empty the thing. – [Kevin] No. – Was somebody operating this thing? – Yes, it was like a– – It’s a submarine vessel where they send you air or something like that. – So then– – There was a guy down there. – There’s a pod, he’s in a pod with an auger. – Whoa! – A pod auger. – That’s awesome! – Yeah so then they got through six inches of spruce and down to the 112 feet it was– – This is a wood lover’s dream. – Yeah, your dream. – Yeah. – It was only clay. And then after that, they retrieved, now here’s, they’re collecting things now. They got two pieces of gold metal links like links on a chain. That comes up. – And are we at the 40 feet below the– – We’re further now. – So back to before where they said that, the clue said that the two million– – They got through it because they actually got down to a hundred, they thought between 154 and 161 foot level, there was a vault. That’s what they thought it was. It was like a vault of wooden boxes. And they actually even penetrated through that and below that was an iron plate that was impenetrable. They couldn’t get through it. At least at that time. But they thought that they had hit the treasure there. So what happened after that was they came up empty handed. They tried, they kept trying to plug the tunnel like you said earlier. And they couldn’t quite get it right. They couldn’t get all– I think they found one of the five compartments and plugged it but they couldn’t figure out the whole system. And they couldn’t get it fully plugged. So they also ran out of money. – Dang. – And the search ended there. So they retrieved a few things, got a little further. Everybody gets a little bit further as they go down. – Couple of gold links. – Yeah, couple of gold links. And there’s a lot of little things that came up throughout this tunnel, I may forget some of them, I’m just trying to bring up the important ones that stuck with me. So now we’re gonna cover the next hundred years, we’re coming pretty close. – Just bring up what stuck with you. – [Kevin] Exactly. – That’s all we want. – Okay so now we’re gonna cover 1861 to 1965. So we’re going the next hundred years, we’re getting real close to current day. – Yeah, okay. – Yeah we are. – Bunch of companies involved through random times, Oak Island Association, Oak Island Treasure Company. – Meanwhile, there are people– how inhabited is this island by the mid-1800s? – Not very, and that was something I was gonna talk about a little later but basically, the closer in time it got to now, the more trouble there was with ownership of the land. Because people wanted to own the land, own the treasure. – [Rhett] Okay. – So there was a lot of trouble with that. – But at this point, there was a company that started for the sole purpose of finding this stuff because they called themselves the Oak Island Treasure– – Exactly. – Hunting Company, or whatever. – (laughing) Yeah, Oak Island Treasure Company. – Okay. What should we call ourselves? Well– – What do we do? How do we do it? Why do we do it? Got it! – So I’m gonna tell you some of their discoveries in this hundred year span and then we’re gonna get to the deaths because that’s very important. – Yeah. – The deaths. – Nobody’s died yet. – No, but they will. In 1897– – Where does the crow come into this? – The crow’s kind of a side note, but you’ll like the crow. – Don’t forget the crow. – I won’t forget the crow. – You teased the crow. – So they found in 1897, a stone triangle that was off the coast that pointed directly towards the tunnel. Just another confirmation– – Pirates. Pirates, man. They’re always finding these little things that kept them going. You know, like there’s nothing there, but then they’d see a triangle that points to the hole and they thought, there’s something there. They also found a piece of sheepskin parchment. I wanna show you guys this too. The sheepskin parchment had the letters V and I on it. – VI. – VI. – Are you sure it’s not IV? – Nope, nope. (laughter) – [Link] That’s the Roman numeral six. – They also– – [Rhett] VI. – Got to the point with technology with cameras– – They found this down in there? – Yeah. – Parchment? – Found that down there, parchment with the letter VI on it. That comes into play in a theory later I’ll tell you about. So they lowered a camera down. They thought they found other things too like a human hand. Some tools. – Well you either find a human hand or you don’t. (laughter) I think I found a human hand. – It might be a prop. – Could be a prop. Could be a worker from the past. It’s hard to pinpoint where these things are coming from. – Lotta hands, lotta people. – But in that time, people died, okay. And this is important because the first two people that died were in the mid-1800s. One of them, a steam boiler blew up. – I thought you were gonna say one of them was Steamboat Willie or something like that. (laughter) – I don’t know what his name was but– – Steam boiler blew up. – Steamboat Willie got blown up by a steam boiler. Another guy fell down a shaft. Now I don’t know what shaft, they just said he fell down a shaft. I image it’s the shaft or the shaft next to it. – Yeah, yeah. – But he fell down. Now I wanna introduce you to the Restall family. Robert Restall and his wife, Mildred. Now these were the motorcycle daredevils. That was their jobs by trade, that’s what they did for a living. When they heard about this– – Motorcycle daredevils. Like Evil Knievel type? – Yeah, Evil Knievel type. – On the mainland. – On the mainland, husband and wife. – Still Canadian though? – I believe so, yeah. Although, you know, I’m not the expert here. But I am the expert. – You’re our expert. – I’m your expert. So they wanted a piece of the action. They thought, we’re daredevils, we’ll get in on this game. They moved their family out there. – Frequent rationalization things amongst motorcyclists. – Yeah, especially when you’re a daredevil. They moved their family out there, they’re out there for six years working on this. And there’s like, you can see videos of them talking about how they’re gonna get to it, they’re gonna get the– – So it’s the 60s at this point? – Yeah, this point is 1959 to 1965, bingo. So unfortunately, it didn’t pan out that way for Robert. In 1965, he was working on one of the pits and he breathed in some type of poisonous gas, and he fell and he died. And his son ran after him to help him, he breathed in the gas and he died. – Dang. – Two other workers ran after them. – Breathed in the gas? – And they died. – Is it a booby trap or something they brought in? – (laughing) No, this was just something from the excavation. Not sure what the gas– – Or the curse. – Or the curse. – At this point, they have to be saying there’s a curse. – Yes. – The moral of the story is, don’t go in and tried to save your dad. – (laughing) That’s right. Unless he’s a motorcycle daredevil. Which he was, in which case you’re right, don’t save your dad. (laughter) – Hold your breath. – So okay now remember, now six people died. You just gotta remember that, okay? It’s very important that you remember that six people died. – Yeah, VI, man. – VI, six people died, I’m gonna come back to the six people died. – That’s what I’m saying, Roman numerals. – Now I mentioned a couple of famous people got involved. – No you didn’t, yes you did. – Remember the President of the United States? – [Link] Yes. – You wanna know which one it was? – At that time? – Well it was earlier, it was in 1909. It was Franklin Roosevelt. – Okay. – So he was all excited by this, so he bought into some stock for one of the treasure searching companies. I don’t know if it was the one or a different one. And he actually went out there twice to be part of the excavation. There’s a picture of him. – FDR? – FDR, yeah. Trip on that, huh. – Looking for a New New Deal. – (laughing) And then John Wayne went out there looking for a new deal. – It’s right up his alley, man. Well I can go up there and find me some treasure. – John Wayne is from, side note, he went to school in my hometown of Lancaster, California. – Really? You met any of his relatives? – None of them, not one. Apparently he used to talk highly of it. Which is weird because I never do. (laughter) – I just dropped out. – Me too. – I just lost my audio. – I laughed so loud we lost it. – (laughing) Yeah. – It was like a shock to my system. – Is this still working? Oh it’s back. – There it is. – Alright, we’re back. Did anything change back there? – Okay, Megan’s saying everything’s good. I thought the curse had hit us. – Well yeah, that happens. – Like hold your breath. – Like when I was watching The Ring that time and right at the moment where she was about to come out of the TV, the whole entertainment system went down. – Whoa. – And me and my father-in-law ran across the house to be with my mother-in-law. (laughter) – It went out again. – Went out again. – Dude– – It’s happening. – It’s the curse. – Are you seeing anything over there, Megan, when that happens? – Giggle the wires. – Or is it just us on this side? – It’s that thing, it’s the short on the thing. Oh my gosh, guys, I’m kinda getting freaked out. (laughter) I don’t think, these six people– – If one of us dies, I’m not sticking around. I’m leaving. I’m not gonna make the same mistake. – Unless you’re the one who dies. – If one of us dies, then the rest of us need to go to Oak Island. – Is it coming back? – No. I think these six people are here, guys. Checky-checky-checky. – Here it comes. – Getting freaked out. – There is a tiny little difference between that and this, there’s nothing there and then I put this on, and you get a teeny bit. – Yeah, you do get a little. – If you’re 100% sure that we’re good, that you’re still reading, we’ll just take this off, keep going. – I think it’s this baby. – Yeah, probably. – The Oak Island curse has hit our– – I don’t think it can cross the border. I don’t think it can cross the border. – Unless it’s through a podcast. Perhaps it can. – It’s through the internet, man. – Maybe the aliens who were the ones who set this up, they don’t like it when you start talking about this. – Have you experienced– – They have a way of controlling our technology. – Any sort of resistance while researching this? Or has it been smooth sailing? – I got real tired last night. (laughter) – I got real tired, man. Of course it was late and I’d been working on this a long time. – They’re wearing you down. – Yeah, it wore me down a little bit. The thing is, is the Oak Island Money Pit, no money has come out of it, all the money has gone into it. – Right. – That’s why it’s the Money Pit. – Uh-huh. – Oh. – Yes. So what happened to the six, where are we? – So here we are. – We’re not gonna take bad headphones for an answer, curse ghosts! – No when won’t but– – We’re pressing on. – A lot of people do believe in a curse, including The History Channel. And that’s gonna be coming up here on the close. But these six people died, keep that in mind. Told you about Roosevelt and John Wayne. So this brings us up to pretty much current time. I told you there was some battle for the land. They realized not long ago that the only real way to make money off of this island was– – Tourism. – Yes, exactly. And then it became a battle of who owned the land to collect in on that tourism. So in 2006, two brothers essentially took hold of the entire island. These dudes’ names were– – They’re listening to this right now. – (laughing) Yeah, they probably are. – They’re listening to this live. And they’re the ones that tapped into this. – I’m so on edge right now. I’m like freaked out. And when we’re like, they’re listening, I thought you were talking about the ghosts. – Well but I mean, I don’t mean to tempt fate or anything but all they did is take are headphones out. I mean, we’re still talking. – Yeah. – We’re still on the internet. – It was a warning. – I mean if a fire broke out in here right now, that would be– or one of you guys dropped dead. It’s like I told you before, if one of you drops dead, I’m outty 5000. – If one of you drops dead, I’m going to Oak Island. I’m gonna tell you why. Because the theory is– – You didn’t skip the crow, did you? – I didn’t skip the crow. – Good. Don’t forget about the crow. – The crow’s gonna be a letdown because there’s not much about the crow. (laughter) The best thing about the crow is the teaser at the top. So the theory is, is that the only way the treasure’s gonna be found in Oak Island is once all of– two things, two variables. All of the Oak trees are gone. And all of them are gone. And the second variable is seven people must die. – Ooh. – Because six is an incomplete number. – [Kevin] Six is an incomplete number. – You know a six could never be the end. – [Kevin] That’s right. – You gotta get to seven. – That’s right. So we’re one death away from finding that treasure. Now we may as well get into the other theories because we’re caught up to about present day, I mentioned the brothers, their names are Mark and Ritty– Ritty (laughs) Mark and– Marty? And Rick. (laughter) – How many brothers? – I liked when the name was Ritty. – (laughing) I like Ritty better. – Mark and Ritty. – Mark and Ritty Lagina, that’s their name. – They’re selling tickets to this place. – Well– – You can go and you can visit? – No, they’re gonna one up you on this. You can, but they have a show on The History Channel. About this place. – They have a whole show? – They have a whole show. Four seasons of a show hunting for this treasure. It’s called, I think it’s called The Curse of Oak Island, I believe. I’ve seen some of it, haven’t seen all of it. – Ohh. – They’re brothers. They never intended to be reality stars. – They got four seasons out of this? – They got four seasons. – And they’re still going? – It’s still going and apparently people are hooked. Someone out there, Morgan, was telling me that his dad or his wife’s dad or something, every time he talks to him he’s always like, hey did you see the mystery of the cursed island or whatever the heck it’s called. – But is it, they’re like following it. – [Kevin] Yeah, he’s following it. – But it’s these two brothers who are like– it’s them dealing with owning this thing and that kinda thing? – [Kevin] Yeah. – So it’s a reality show about those guys. – Reality show about them, their crew, some other people, treasure hunters who are digging down, finding clues, and they’re determined to bring up the treasure. So they’re the most recent team of people and they gave them a show. – Okay and so again, it’s just like you said, the money pit. The fact that this thing exists is generating income for these guys now. – Yes, now it is. – Probably two million pounds. (laughter) – That’s right. I read the number as high as ten million was put into over the years of trying to find this treasure. It could be between two and ten. It was probably more likely on the higher end because a lot of these people put a lot of money into this. But yeah these guys are making money now off of this. – So what is the status of what technology are they using? You said something about an iron plate at some point. – Right. – So how far are they down? Is it still filled with water? Have they completely plugged the flooding part? – Yeah at some stage they were able to, I think what they did was blow up those tunnels with some dynamite or something, blew up. – Filled them in, collapsed them. – Yeah, collapsed them in. And they were able to extract the water and keep digging. They got past that iron plate. I’m not sure how far they’ve gotten. I think this map here is outdated. Because I think this one goes down to 212 feet. – [Rhett] Okay so they’re through the water table at this point. – [Kevin] They’re through that plate, they’re through the water table, and I guess there’s even some water buried deep down even beneath it. But they’ve gone far through it. No actual treasure chest has come up. They still believe that something is down there. Because who would go to all these great lengths to do this? Unless it’s an elaborate prank. – They’ve gotten below where the headstone that the guy put in his fireplace said it was gonna be. And they found– there was an oak chest with parchment just below 150 feet. You know, so, it seems like, but it was empty? – Right. Well there’s a lot of theories. – It’s probably a prank. – Yeah it could be a pirate prank. But there’s a lot of theories. I’m gonna go through some of the theories with you guys to see if any of them stick, okay? And again, these are all theories. So one of them is that, well, besides what’s in there, I told you about the deaths and I told you about the Oak trees. Another guy said, on The History Channel, that a pack of wild dogs with those fiery eyes has been seen on the island and they protect the pit. – I don’t believe that part. – [Kevin] A crow– – He’s talking about the crow now. – Who embodies a spirit of some ancient figure watches over the pit. – John Wayne. – Maybe, I told you it was a bit of a letdown. I didn’t mean to get your hopes up about the crow. – So there’s a– – John Wayne is the crow. – There’s a zest crow. – A zest crow and rapid dogs. – John Wayne was found with 40 pounds of impacted fecal matter in his– – Eww. – Inside his body when he died. – Was he really? – Yeah that’s what I heard on one of those– I heard that on one of those late night infomercials for some fiber product. They’re like, you know that John Wayne was found with 40 of impacted fecal matter in his body. And later turned into a crow. – I hope his family’s getting a piece of that. I mean the money, not the fecal matter. – Okay, so but that’s– – You can’t make claims like that to sell a product and not pay John Wayne’s estate. – Yeah, I got a hat with John Wayne on it. – I bet he got a piece of that. – Yeah, yeah his estate did. – Yeah I like John Wayne too. So let’s get to the theories about the treasure. The most common theory I think of the Canadians and the Islanders up there, is that it’s buried pirate treasure, specifically Captain Kidd. – Captain Kidd. – With two Ds, I don’t really know much about Captain Kidd. – He’s a good hole digger. – Yeah he’s a good hole digger. If it’s his. – I mean– – Buried treasure. There’s a reason why you associate pirates with buried treasure because they bury treasure. – Yeah but they didn’t bury it this deep– – How do you know? – Because you don’t have to– – It could’ve been very special. – Seriously what I’m trying to wrap my mind around is maybe I’m wrong about assuming how difficult it would be to do this because, let me just start by saying, they did dig wells, they dug wells thousands of years ago so people can dig, let’s just start with that fact. People can dig. In the 1700s, 1600s whatever, people were capable of digging and if you could dig a well all the way down to this area which, if this was a well at some point for somebody, then they were like hey let’s fill in that well, oh whoa whoa whoa, I got an idea, I got an idea. – That’s Rhett’s theory. – Let’s fill the well in but as we go we’ll do some crazy stuff. Hey throw in Earl’s hand, I know it came off is it still out? Yeah throw it in there. Let’s just confuse the crap outta some people, put some weird stuff in there just for funsies. – That’s a lot of tr– To dig these these booby trapped tunnels? – Well let me just finish my theory. So that makes sense in terms of you would never dig down to do this but if you’d already dug down for water purposes you may go through all this effort for funsies just going up. But you’re right, the one big hole, actually five big holes in my theory, are the five tunnels that are coming from the side because that my friends, is very difficult to do, especially in that kind of sandy soil that you would think was very difficult to buttress is the correct word. – Yes. – You know what I’m saying? Those side tunnels. – I know, that’s the tricky part – Okay, keep going. – There might be an explanation for it in one guy’s theory which is that, and this is one of the more creative ones, you ever heard the idea that Shakespeare didn’t write his plays? – Yeah. That he wasn’t a person. – Yeah. Or that he was not smart enough to write them and– – He just put his name on there. – Yeah and Sir Francis Bacon wrote the plays. – Didn’t know about that. – That’s one of the theories. So there’s this professor. I think her name is Dr. Ruth from Iowa State University. – (laughing) Well okay she’s knows about– – (laughing) And she says that– – She knows about different holes. – Different routes, different holes. – Yeah. – That might not even be her name, I think it is. She says that, that VI that I brought up earlier, that sheepskin parchment she said, I bet there’s mercury down there too when she heard that that was dug up. And the reason why was because apparently, mercury was used to preserve things. And I guess they did find mercury all over that island. And she said that she knew that because Sir Francis Bacon wrote a lot back in that time about how he used mercury to preserve things. So what she believed, jumping to those conclusions, was that all the manuscripts that Sir Francis Bacon wrote is what’s buried down there. To prove that he’s actually the real Shakespeare. – In Nova Scotia? – [Kevin] In Nova Scotia. – Sir Francis Bacon? – And apparently he was like the best scientist at the time so she was like well of course he could devise all these tunnels and all these crazy contraptions, he’s smart. – And the only external clues are that triangle that’s out in the ocean? – There was other little ones too that they found along the way but the question is, were they always there? Did they put them there? – Right because if that theory’s true, then he wanted this to be found. And you gotta go deeper than just a second depression on a weird island off the coast of Canada. In other words, I think that there would be evidence in his writings that later– so have people looked into that? – Uh, maybe. Obviously I don’t know the answer to that question. – You’re not working for The History Channel, you work for Mythical Entertainment (laughing) – (laughing) Exactly. – What’s the– what are the other theories and what’s your pick? Because I’ve got a theory. – What I like a lot is that this was constructed by the Knights Templar. The Knights Templar were like– – Kinda like Illuminati. – Kinda yeah, but back in the day when they first started they were like a military religious thing that eventually turned into kinda what the Freemasons are– – The Masons. – But there’s a lot of history about them with treasure and The Holy Grail and they buried treasure and they were known to frequent these parts. And so one of the theories here is that the Knights Templar have been linked to the mystery of Oak Island by many, primarily because historical records suggest that they had both motive and means to deposit treasure in the Money Pit and this is their connection with the Holy Land prompting speculation of untold wealth in the form of the Holy Grail. So people think the Holy Grail is down there. – Could be, but probably not. (laughter) – Could be, but probably not. – Again, I think that someone started digging a hole and then they just started– it was just let’s perpetuate this prank. I think people came in iteratively trying to find treasure and dug further and then when they didn’t find anything, they perpetuated the myth to make it a money pit for other people, to try to find something that wasn’t there. – But who put the stuff there to begin with? – There was a like a little shallow something. Over time people– – I don’t know about that. – People were digging– – No no, physically think about what you’re suggesting. – Yeah. – You’re thinking somebody dug and they fill it back in and then somebody dug a little bit further then filled it back in. – Now that’s the people– – That’s the worst theory I’ve ever heard in my life. – When you get, listen, The History Channel, let’s start there. They got four seasons out of this thing. – [Kevin] Right. – They don’t wanna find anything. – These people didn’t know about The History Channel. – I’m saying the most recent. – You’re saying The History Channel people went back in time? Now I believe that. (laughter) History Channel was like, listen we’re struggling. We gotta send somebody back in time– – I’ll let go of my iterative theory but– – To dig a big hole. Because that doesn’t make any sense. – The people now– – This was a one time thing. – The people now don’t wanna find treasure. They wanna add more seasons of a television show and make money in the only way they believe they actually can, which is not finding anything but making everyone else think they’re gonna find it. – The History Channel has the treasure. – They might have the treasure. – If the treasure exists– – They found it. – The History Channel found it. – They’re covering it up. – Without a doubt. – But not– – I mean it’s 200 feet deep– – Right. – It’s what 10 feet wide, whatever. I mean at this point, guys, you don’t have to– me and you could go down there in a couple of speedos and start moving around and find something, you know what I’m saying? It’s like, send us down there for a couple of weeks. We’ll come back with something. – I don’t wanna wear a speedo, I’d get all scuffed up. – Well we’ll wear– – I’ll wear a romper. – A romper. – Like a safari. – A wetsuit romper. – I can legitimize his theory a little bit though. – Do it. – I will. A couple quick ones. It’s a coffin is another theory. One guy said he thinks it’s just a sinkhole. – What do you mean a coffin? Like a burial shaft? – Yeah, like it was a, yeah, a tomb. The brothers, and this is kinda the last thing I had here for you guys, the guys that host the show, four seasons strong, I guess it’s more popular than ever now. They were on Colbert earlier in the year I believe. I saw an article, they said they’re gonna get that treasure. But if you wanna figure out what it is, you gotta tune in to season five. (laughter) So Link might be on to something here, man. – What would they find it in season five? – I completely believe that they know exact– they found the treasure before they bought the land they found the treasure. They were like, they got this idea they told The History Channel, they were like reality TV, especially in 2006, that’s when reality TV was the future. – Oh yeah. – The writers’ strike was around that time, the first writers’ strike, right? – Yeah. – Or one of the writers’ strikes, 2007. It doesn’t time out exactly but you know what I mean. – If it wasn’t for those booby trapped tunnels which I think, what I was trying to say was they were dug later in order to legitimize a continued search. – That’s feasible. – That’s what I was trying to say. – That’s definitely feasible. – Because that’s the only thing we really gotta explain is these tunnels, like someone digging a hole and then– – What we really need is somebody with a civil engineering degree to contemplate this. – Yeah, we don’t know anybody. – And some khakis. – Yeah, yeah. (laughter) – Man, I mean I haven’t– I can’t say that I’m gonna watch the show. I feel like I got my money’s worth in this Ear Biscuits. That’s what we do for the people. We sum up seasons of reality TV and all the commercials you gotta endure. – No think people– – All of the teasers before the commercials. – There’s a lot of people who are gonna go watch that show now. Those guys should be thanking us. Thank you. Well you’re welcome, brothers. – You know what, we invite the brothers on our show. – Yeah, let’s get these brothers on here. – Come on our show. – What I will say is what this inspires me to do is I think that we should set our sights on a late in life project similar to this. – I love digging a good hole. – We’re gonna be so bored with everything, man. Let’s just make a pact right now. If we make it to, if we’re still alive at 75, which hopefully we will be, that’s not too old, right? – That’s hole digging prime there. – No no no no, we’ll hire some young, young guys. – Bucks. – Some young bucks. Put them in speedos, no I’m just kidding. (laughter) It won’t be like that. – [Kevin] Romp-hims. – But them all in rompers. And have them do it but it’ll be our brainchildren. – It’ll be full of booby traps. – And we’ll leave a legacy, man. That’ll be our legacy. That’ll be the legacy that we live is a big old hole, we’ll go 400 feet deep. Think of the technology. Think of all the things we could– we’ll put crows inside cages along the way. – They can talk, you can teach them to talk. – And give them little fly tunnels from the side. – And you know what– – We’re setting it up right now. – It will be a reality television show, but it will be a reality competition show because we’re gonna– you booby trap that stuff, what’s that like? Indiana Jones, man. I’m talking boulders rolling out. (laughter) Like darts (shooting sounds) coming through. – People gonna die. – People are gonna die. You gotta sign a waiver first and we’re gonna film it all. – We’re gonna set up cameras as we go. We should put the wiring in, it’ll all be wireless. Here’s just a couple of requests at this point. – WiFi out the wazoo. – I don’t want it to be a straight hole, I want it to be like a crazy straw. You know we’re gonna do down, we’re gonna go back up sideways, curly cue. – I’m saying we’re building obstacle course treasure hunt things that’s life or death situations. – I’m on the same page, man. – Around the world. And we’re creating seasons and seasons of shows for Spike, I don’t know. – Whatever it’ll be at that point. But we cannot tell people where these are gonna be. I can safely say there won’t be any in Nova Scotia. I’m not interested. – Well they’ve already dug a hole, we could use that. – Oh no no no no. – Production value. – No that’s just the beginning of one of our holes, man. Our holes are deep. – So much bigger. – And big. (laughter) – I’m I in on this with you guys? – (laughing) No. – Okay. (laughter) – Yeah Kevin, if you’re still around too. – You can be like Jeff Probst. – Oh really? – Yeah, you can host the show. – Yeah. – You’ll be old, man. – He’s legitimately one of my favorite hosts on television. – Yeah yeah, well if he’s not available, you can (laughing) – I got real excited when you said that just now. You could be Jeff Probst. (laughter) I got way more excited than I should have. – You have to drag out the dead bodies, but it’ll be awesome. – And in the least, if we don’t do that grand plan, we should at least hide a USB drive in some city somewhere. (laughter) – This all just got boiled down to geocache. (laughter) Alright, this has been exciting. – Let’s just a get a geocache, that’s more realistic. – Those teasers paid off. – Yeah, man. – I might have to go to Nova Scotia. – Yeah well go during the summer. – Cold down in that hole. (laughter) (mellow music) – And there you have it. Our intriguing biscuit with Kevin. Kevin, Mythical Crew Kevin. He did a good job. He brought the intrigue. – He went deep, man. – He started with some teasers then he dug deep for that one. – Yes, he did. – Yeah. – Yeah it’s very, I don’t know. This is the kinda thing I’m gonna be thinking about. I’m gonna be thinking about it when I got to bed tonight. I’m gonna be thinking about that hole in the ground. (laughter) And just wondering, what’s out there right now. – I enjoyed the conversation but– – You’re not gonna be thinking about it? – I’m gonna tuck it away and I’m just gonna, I’ll think about the back of my eyelids when I go to sleep. I just zone out and just relax. – You leave the thinking to me. (laughter) – While you’re sleeping. I don’t need you to think for me while I’m sleeping. – No, but just like while you’re about to go to sleep. – Alright, if you got any thoughts that you want to send our way, let us know using #earbiscuits wherever hashtags are found because we value the conversation, we value your feedback. Also reviews on iTunes are extremely helpful so give us that review, y’all. – And if you found this conversation intriguing and interesting, you are going to like The Book of Mythicality. Again, available for pre-order at bookofmythicality.com These kinds of tidbits that spark your curiosity, the book’s full of them. Personal stuff and stuff that we just found personally interesting so bookofmythicality.com Get it while the gettin’s good. – And we’ll be speaking at ya next week mythical beasts. Love ya. I wanted to say love ya. – Well I think we cut before that. – But we actually didn’t though. – Okay, love you. – [Link] To hear this Ear Biscuit in its entirety so you won’t miss a thing, follow the links in the description to ART19, Apple podcasts, Spotify, and anywhere else podcasts are available. To watch more Ear Biscuits, click the video on the left. To watch more from This is Mythical, click the video on the right. And don’t forget to subscribe by clicking the secula icon. – [Rhett] Thanks for being your mythical best.