Welcome to Good Mythical More. It’s been discussed a lot, I’m told, but we haven’t talked about it, I’m told. So we’re gonna tell each other. We’re told. The legend of the debate of a hundred men versus a gorilla. But first, let’s check our voicemail. Hi, I have a question. Would you rather be able to only eat your favorite fruit foods for the rest of your life or be able to eat anything you want. But you have to eat a small, but you have to eat a portion of your least favorite food every day. And the alternative is just fruit. Favorite food? Oh, thought you said favorite fruit. I think I could learn to eat something that I hated every single day in order to have access to anything I wanted. Variety. Variety is better. We gotta go with that. Because you would start to hate the thing that you once loved. Uh, we’ll. So we will call you back and let you know, I guess. Um, so you said I’m told meaning that you did not know that this was a thing until just I have heard via word of mouth only about this. I’m being completely honest, I’m aware that there is something float floating around the internet where people debate what would happen if a hundred men fought one gorilla. But I’ve just inferred that– You, you’ve heard other people talking about this? Yeah. You didn’t see it on the internet? No. Didn’t see it on the internet and I don’t, so I don’t know how I would see it on the internet. Like what, how, what form it? Would it just be. Two guys on a podcast. It just shows up in clips that just pop, like I don’t even feel like I’m on social media that much. It just feels like for like a week there. It was the only thing that I, it was just like, why is everyone talking about this? I’m not on amusing, widespread internet. Things, but I’m trying to get to the bottom. You literally are. I don’t, I don’t think that, but when I look at your feed as you flip through it, I’m like, yeah, I’ve seen that. I’ve seen that. I’ve seen that. Yeah, but I’ve seen that. But I would never see that. And it knows that. I think you do see it, but before it becomes something, you, you flip past it. Dog advice ads. You know what you what I’m saying? Well, you’re not gonna necessarily, necessarily, well, I mean, it would come up on Reddit maybe, but that’s not on Reddit. That’s not where I saw it. Oh. Where do you want me to be? Well, you’re not gonna see it now. I don’t think the more should be trying to have Link find this on his social, right? Yeah. Let’s just do it. Um, yeah, let’s do it. See, well, that’s the debate. What side of the debate do you stand on? I have a, I have a totally fresh perspective on this, meaning I haven’t thought about it an ounce. I, I watched some people talking about it and I, I haven’t really formed an opinion, but let’s form one now. This is a completely, this is like a tip top gorilla. This is not like a maimed gorilla or like a captive gorilla. Yeah. Tip top gorilla. But I think all these, I also have, by the way, all these men are tip top as well, right? Uh, no. Let’s, you can, you can, let’s say you can, you can say whatever you want. Let’s also have, um– let’s say it’s the most capable gorilla versus the most capable men. Sure. Let’s just say that. I have, uh, opinions from the crew on both sides of the debate, and I also have expert opinions on the debate. After you have, you know, let me know where you stand and why. So obviously there’s no weapons. You just, it is just. Bare fisted. Bare fisted, right? Naked. They’re both all naked. Okay, cool. Um, Maybe, maybe the men have jockstraps on. Let’s give the men jockstraps. All the men have jockstraps. Yeah. So they’re just to be clear, they’re cheeks are out, but they’re twigs and berries are not. Right? Yeah. So the first thing to note– So the gorilla could spank cheeks. He could, the first thing to note is that– But the men could spank. Link is going to keep talking. That’s the first thing to do. Well, I thought I was talking first. Okay. I waited for a gap. Usually that’s what I do. Yep. I’m just, I usually, I usually wait for a gap. I’m just joking. I want you to take it. Um, the first thing just, I just don’t wanna be informed by what you’re gonna say, because I’m a complete blank slate. Okay. Well, don’t let me mess you up. The first thing to note is that the gorilla is not going to be nearly as determined as the men because the men in this scenario have gathered because of this question that has been asked. And so they know we’re gonna try to take this gorilla out. They’re aware of it. The gorilla is like, why are there a lot of men here? I mean, and you know, unless Coco signs to him that what’s about to happen, and I don’t think that’s how it works. I, a gorilla is very smart. Coco is commentating. Pretty closely related to us. For like the streaming event. Coco’s commentating. Right. But the thing is, is that the gorilla would have to kind of figure out what was going on, but the gorilla is going to be in defense mode. Blindsided. And also– This might, dude, you’re, you’re starting this off kind of sad. Gorillas are not aggressive. They are showboats, they do this thing, but you can go to the, first of all, they’re herbivores, they’re not carnivores, and they like people go every, every day, multiple times a day. There are people who go to the few different gorilla populations in Africa that are still around, and they go and they visit them, and you go and you walk right up to ’em. Gorillas don’t, they don’t kill people. They can, and Harambe should not have been shot. He was helping that little boy. Okay, so I’m just, I’m getting, I’m getting– Never saw that either. I’m getting this out of the way. That they’re not aggressive. So it would, they’re gonna have to be like, Oh, this thing is really after me right now. These, these guys are, these men in jock straps are after me, and now I’ve gotta respond. Yeah. This is sad. So he’s, he’s late to his own party. Um, that’s just the reality of a gorilla. But I mean, how would the men, and they’re jerks. I think that’s what you’ve established, man. These men are jerks. Desperate. They’re desperate. They’re desperate for money. Because they’re being paid. Okay. Clearly to do this. But they’ve had proper caloric intake. They have all carb tip top, have all carb loaded, every one of ’em. Okay. They’re so ready. And they’re like UFC. Like I think if you go up and you start, if you’re trying to blindside the gorilla. Where did the UFC thing come, this is, I feel like. Tip top, tip top, the most capable men. And the most capable gorilla. I would say capable. They’re capable of dedicated men. Somewhat capable men in Jockstraps. But they’re gonna, I mean, they’re gonna go up in a, in a, in a configured fashion, where I would think you would have, you could probably get 20 to hit ’em at the same time, and they’re all going for a different part. And there’s a negotiation on who these first, these, the, the front line would be because the many of them are going to die. Yeah. Many of them are going to die. It’s like you got the throat punching brigade, you’ve got the eye gouging brigade. I don’t think it can be that specialized because once you get up there and that gorilla knows what’s going on and begins to defend himself, all bets are off. You just grab whatever you can because what we’re trying to– Eye gouging, throat punching. It can be anything you may have. You might have a primary goal, but you may be, you need to be open to all kinds of stuff. Everybody’s doing it, all guys. But this is the only hope that the men have and, and I actually think there’s reason, reasonable hope here. So they blinded the gorilla in the first 28 people. See, that’s unpredictable. That’s probably not gonna happen. So that hope, you’re talking about? Fatigue. Oh, so clearly the gorilla is stronger, many times stronger than a man. Can kill you with like a backhand. Right? Spread. So you’re gonna spread the people out. You’re gonna draw ’em in. I, you’re gonna spread out. The only question is how many men will die or be critically injured before the gorilla gets tired enough? Yeah. Where one of them can choke him out because that’s how you will end it is by, ’cause it’s still, again, anatomy wise, they’re so similar to us. You can, if he’s tired enough, you can get him in a choke cold and cause him to faint. And that would be the end of the fight. And I think any survives, which is nice. I think 60 to 70 men are going to be critically injured. But I do think in that last 25%, 25 to 35% of men is when we take the gorilla out. And I am on the man’s side in this just because I’m a man. You are one. You’re one of ’em. I don’t believe in, no, no, I don’t believe in this. I’m just saying we, ’cause I’m a man. That’s my opinion. But if you, if you had to be one of ’em, would you be like, on the periphery? I’d be in the back. Yeah. I’d be in the periphery. I’d be like, y’all work this out. Y’all young men work this out. I don’t look good in a jock strap anyway. But what’s gonna give, I mean, anything could happen. You run this simulation a million times, the gorilla is gonna win a certain amount at the times. I’m, you’re very convincing in that. I think the majority of times something like that will play out. Like you got more men to try the same thing every single time, but there’s, there’s a lot of redundancy. I mean, he still, something goes wrong with the gorilla. He’s still, there’s plenty of things that can go wrong with that one gorilla. If we’re running this as a simulation. He doesn’t have unlimited energy. He’s still a, a hominin, no, not a hominin, a primate. I’m, I’m just trying to make the point that in the scenarios where the gorilla wins, those are exceptional. Oh, yeah. And then, but how could he win? It’s a good day for a gorilla. In those scenarios, I think there’s like maybe, maybe they take so long to tire him out. They all get the plague. Mm. Like, you know how humans can. That’s hard. That’s, that’s hard to predict. Well, what about like travel, diarrhea? You know, they went to the gorilla. And they’re all, like. If the men have travel diarrhea, then– Getting Montezumas revenge. But in, in my scenario, not, they never begin. They’re all tested for diarrhea right before the thing happens. Well, I’m just, I’m trying to say that there’s some fluke things that have happened that the gorilla does win, you know, 19% of the time you run this simulation. So. Because some people. How does the gorilla win? I think he, he takes out the leader. The alpha. The alpha, uh, human, and there’s someone who thought they were calling the shots and they’re out there in the corner and he starts running and then they, he takes him out. And then everybody else is just bows down. The human ability to communicate though. And if we’ve all sort of strategy and communication, we’ve got a strategy that we’ve established before and we’re like, this is what happens if Alpha, I’m trying to paint Alpha goes down trying the pictures of how the gorilla will win. I just don’t think he, I don’t think he– You think zero? I think if it’s, if all, all things I think equal, I think that if no, you know what there’s, there is a scenario in which– I bet if there was a religious disagreement between the men, like they start– If the men are divided, they start talking, protest. And Catholics, they start talking about they turn on each other, right? Yeah. So I think that’s something that could happen. They don’t agree on how to proceed. Clearly. That’s a possibility. All right. Would you like to hear the opinion? So the gorilla’s gonna win in that instance. Would we like to hear wrong opinions? Yes. No, uh, I have crew opinions and I have expert opinions. Well, so why don’t we start with crew opinions? How about we open my blind box before you get in? Okay. I really think I, I’m really curious if somebody’s talking about this from a simulation standpoint, because people made simulations there. There’s no answer. It’s just a question of like, what are the odds? Given all of the factors, it’s little de giant, giant. I mean, it’s giant Debra holding, but, but in a little form, little Debbie. Look at that, and it, and it, the, the resemblance is uncanny. It really is. This is some good work, Julian. Thank you. You did, you did. Julian’s made all of our Christmas ornaments. Julian, Julian, Julian. You did a good job. Julian. Does anybody else call you Julian? Nobody’s ever called you Julian. You’ve never been to the South, have you? Julian. You never heard that? No. What is it, Julian? Julian? Julian. No. Yeah. Julian. We don’t need all that. Julian. We need Julian. Julian, Julian. I had friends call me Julio though. Okay. All right. All right. Julian is one of my favorite names to say. Um, okay. You did good work, Jillian. Okay. We have more team gorilla people than team men, people apparently. Yeah. Uh, I mean, Brittany says the minute the men see the first 10 men get ripped limb from limb, they’re retreating, scared, no chance of coordination. This is a possibility, but there’s strategy ahead of time. I think. I think that’s, I think intimidation, annihilation, and just sheer mayhem of it all. If you’re getting the gorilla to do something that gross, like rip, rip ’em from limb to limb, I guess that’s, is that how the gorilla will kill the men? Yeah, there’d be arms coming off. I think it’s mostly blunt force trauma, but I do think that you have to have a cash prize for the men. Sierra says men do not have the strength, focus, or communication skills to even remotely take on a gorilla. There’s just no way. Yeah, have you ever watched football? These are exceptional men, though. Exceptional men. I mean, look at what men are capable of if a football’s involved. I do think that you’re talking like that’s actually a good, like a team, like a football team, a rugby team. Oh God. Like one of those, um, like the New Zealand rugby team, they’re used to like getting hit by things and not immediately folding like I would if I got hit by a gorilla. Yeah. And they like to pile up on each other. Yeah, they don’t mind that. And you pile up on that gorilla and you suffocate him. Caitlyn says, I primarily think that we’re vastly underestimating the power of human fear and the need to follow the pack. If a group of men see another man get his chest caved in by an angry gorilla, it doesn’t take much for those survival instincts to kick in and start running. Yeah, but what about war? Let look at what men have accomplished in war. They’re still scared. No, no, no, no. They, they do. Yeah, they do. I mean, we need to have, what we need to have is we need to have a military. We need to have a, a rugby team and then a military unit take on this gorilla and there’s no chance. Okay. Now team. ’cause they’re, because what they’ve done, Kaylynn, is they’ve trained that out of them. Yeah. But like, this is supposed to be like a hundred random men. It’s not supposed to be like, oh, we have the strongest guys that we have in the world. Okay. If it’s a, if it’s just average dudes just randomly picked, gorilla. Yeah. If it’s random. If it’s random people, but ’cause it’s like, I don’t wanna do this. That’s what most of the guys would be saying. Alright. We were all saying we’d be back at the fringe. Yeah. Team Mann. Megan says the original tweet say that the a hundred men had to be dedicated. If a hundred men really wanted to kill a gorilla, they could. That gorilla only has two arms for smashing. A hundred men have 200 arms. The math speaks for itself. There you go. Dedication is, is the name of the game here. And I, you gotta have that. You gotta have that Caitlyn, so you’re out. Cash price. Um, Maureen says, I’m sorry, but the gorilla is going to get tired after dealing with the first 10 guys. Yep. Plus gorillas are peaceful creatures. Yep. Unlike men. Mm-hmm. They’re great. I love them. Rhett’s reading your diary out loud to me over the phone every night. It’s weird. Yeah. I’m sorry about that. Now the expert opinions are interesting. Uh, primatologists cat. Hobeader. Now, primatologists, you think they’re biased towards the primate or the human? Definitely towards the gorilla, but I think they’re gonna go. But my beloved gorilla is the victim. So I’m thinking they’re gonna say the men. You think so? I, yeah. Yeah, because I, I choose to believe that we believe what the experts believe. Honestly, 100 guys wouldn’t stand a chance. She says they’re going to be swatting at him, like out of breath children and a single one of his punches would floor them. And if the next 92 guys don’t realize, they don’t stand a chance after he is knocked the first eight out with without breaking a sweat, I’ve gotta assume we’re not talking about folks who are going to outsmart him. Well, this scenario seems like we’re sending one guy up at a time. Of course. That’s not gonna work. We have to have the Envelope strategy. I think, I think the primatologist was only thinking about the immediate physical capability of this gorilla. I mean, you’re, you’ve got tunnel vision. Yep. You’re too close to it. Michelle Rodriguez says, both gorillas and humans are social animals and safety and numbers is important, an important point in their decision making to engage in fights. Male gorillas are most likely to fight their hardest when they’re defending a group. Uh huh. Oh, and then, um, all right, well, that’s, that’s a nice little fact. We have a wildlife– Let’s, let’s have the gorilla’s family over to the side. Your family’s next. Wildlife Conservationist, Ron Magic says– Ron Magic? Conservation wildlife. Ron Magic. Oh, okay. I’m listening. A hundred men in their twenties and an excellent physical condition could ultimately defeat a gorilla if they are committed and go in United. That doesn’t mean it would be pretty. Nope. The human assault force would have to expect severe collateral damage that could easily include death from broken neck, severe. Uh. Art Arter, uh, art, I can’t even say arterial. Yeah, arterial bright bite wounds. Oh, okay. Massive concussions leading to fatal brain bleeds and asphyxiation from other men piling on top of them. Yeah, that’s why I need those rugby players. Not gonna be pretty. Yeah, we knew that going in. So you agree with that guy? Yeah, that guy. That guy. Ron Magic. Ron Magic. So you agreed with the man and then you disagreed with the two women on the– Yes. Well this is where we need more women in stem so some can be right. Or or more women to go up against his gorilla if y’all wanted to have at that the gorilla. Y’all go forward. Yeah, yeah. You know what? That’s what we need. And do it in space if you want. Yeah, I take it back. Yeah, I take it back. It was only a joke. We’re not out yet and I just took it back. It’s a joke. Now we’re out. Join Mythical Society for 20% off monthly plans through June 14th at mythicalsociety.com.