Hi, I’m Rebecca Black, and this is my Last Meal. Every person has exactly two things in common. We all gotta eat and we’re all gonna die. Today’s guest is a singer, songwriter, and DJ whose new project, Salvation, is out on January 17th. And who can get her iconic performance from more than 10 years ago? At the Nixon Regional Library with Celebration USA, Rebecca Black, welcome to the show. No, I have to go, I’m sorry. Rebecca, wait, hold on, hold on, hold on. You’ve had a wide ranging music career, but we know your one true passion is spreading patriotism throughout Orange County via the magic of childhood song and dance. No! No! No. That’s really scary. That’s like, level scary. Thank you so much. Um, so was Celebration USA. Infinitely crazier than Friday if you look back at the videos. And I have looked back at the videos. Yeah, I was, you know a kid in Orange County, which is with a dream and a passion. Uh, yeah, I think I got involved in that because I was just like looking for any chance to like perform and get around. And yeah, it was dark. It was dark. Have you thought about your last meal before? Um, so much. Well, I love this show. I watch the show all the time. Um, I think I, I thought about this meal like way too hard, like I think I almost missed the deadline because I kept editing my list and I talked about it with my family, like food is a big part of my life. If I could I would eat like 50 different dishes and go all around the world. How much do you think about death? I go through seasons, I go through seasons. I think I went through like a period of my life when I was younger where I was like, I’m not afraid of dying. That’s a very young person thing to say. Yeah, and I think I was dating someone who was, and there’s a reason we didn’t work out, which is because clearly I was annoying. Um, and yeah, I, I remember in that moment, those words coming out of my mouth and being like, I love to be alive. Like, I love to be here. Do you? I just eat all my fear of death away. Okay. And it’s a pretty good strategy. You ready to get to your last meal? Yeah, I am. Rebecca, for the first course of your final meal, we have the homemade chicken taquitos with a side of sour cream. Yeah. We have the fried plantains over here. These are the ripe plantains. Then we have the homemade garlic knots, dusted with a little bit of garlic, parsley, butter, and some parmesan. Homemade marinara, homemade ranch, and then the Detroit style pepperoni pizza with that sexy cheese skirt. This is insane. This is insane. She likes us. She really likes us. Yeah. Let me start. Start where you want to start. I will absolutely follow your lead. I’m gonna go, I’m gonna go taquito first, because I only really eat these when I’m at my mom’s house. So, my mom’s from Mexico City, born and raised. Um, makes a ton of amazing Mexican food, but my brother and I have always said her homemade taquitos are, like, the best in the world. And these look just like them. Okay, there’s also, like, a really phallic way to start this. 100%, yeah, yeah. What’s your technique here? I don’t I’m just gonna go. Noted gay woman, Rebecca Black, uh, starting off with the, the, the phallic. Yeah, yeah. Okay, forget I ever said that. Taylor, close up on me. Get away from her. Okay. Mmm! Oh wow. Uh oh. Mmm! Oh wow. No, that’s, yeah. That’s actually insane. I’m going to double dip. Is that okay? Double dip. Do you mind if I do? No, no, no. Oh, thank god. So you’re not a germaphobe. You’re the opposite. No, I like, I love like mixing my foods together and like, this is a shared experience. Mmm! Speaking of your Mexican heritage. Wow. How did you once help unwittingly install Enrique Peña Nieto? Of the Institutional Revolutionary Party, it’s the President Metcalfe. I have to go. I only ask this because Rebecca. This is getting worse and worse. Rebecca, you are almost the closest thing we have to a modern day Forrest Gump. Oh my god. In a certain way. Okay, I’ll take that. And that was meant to be a compliment, I was worried how you’d take that. I don’t read social cues very well sometimes. Me neither. Um, essentially, my mom’s from Mexico. In Mexican heritage, I don’t know how other people relate to this, but like, anyone who is or has ever lived in Mexico at any point in your life is a cousin. So a couple years after Friday, um, hit the map, did its thing, my mom just brings up the fact that one of her cousins hit her up and said that uh, they wanted to give me the keys to the city. Incredible, which obviously to my mother like most extremely proud mexican woman you’ve ever met in your life is like I’ve done it. I’ve won the parent game. Like my child is being given the keys to the city. Oh, and there was also talk of there being like a Rebecca Black fan club down there. And so we went down, long story short, there were no keys to the city and there were no fan club. There was just a presidential race going on that, um, my very distant, probably not even blood related cousin, um, convinced my mom that, uh, I was to be a part of. And he did go on to be president for six years. So, hey, cheers to inventing the smiley face t shirt. I think, I can’t take credit unfortunately for that that one. I wish it I wish it was a better candidate, you know. How about those plantains? How ’bout those plantains. These like anytime these are somewhere on a menu at any point in the day anytime like this just to me It’s one of those foods that as soon as you eat them It’s the best thing in the world. Yeah, like there’s something crazy going on in these. Yeah. I’m gonna be here for a minute. Mmm! Mmm. Mmm. I wanna ask you about your new project, Salvation. It’s coming out. You’ve put out a couple songs from it. They’re pure [bleep] shakers is the only way, thank you. That I can, like, my [bleep] is shaking and I’m, I have a struggle shaking my [bleep] and you have gotten me there, so thank you for that. I wanna ask about the Trust music video. Why did you decide to set it as your own trial by jury? I really, really knew that it was important with this song and with this project and this has been something in my brain for the last four years. It’s like anytime I’m releasing a project, especially considering where I’m at and like my career and the goals I have, visuals are just so important. Such a huge piece of telling the story of like, not just the project, but like me as an artist and, um, everything I want to say. And I just think it’s fun to like, put your, like the concept of like putting yourself, that self being me on trial in the court of public opinion in like a really like, can’t be fierce way. Is It felt almost too obvious in like the right way. What I constantly kind of go back to and have a lot of fun with is playing with like really, really dark things and bringing the lightness out of them and bringing the color out of them and bringing the unseriousness out of them. Um, that’s always the most fun to me. Tell me about the pizza. So I have a pepperoni pizza with a side of ranch on my rider after every show. Hell yes. And Detroit style is just the best kind to me. Cause it’s bread. It’s just dressed up bread. Also, to me, like, I do have to have it with ranch. A woman of taste and class. I, I agree though. I’m like a habitual ranch stepper. Mmm! That is insane. You see what I mean about the sexy cheese skirt? Tell me about, you said that the queer community saved your life, that they were the community long before you even came out, that always had your back. Why do you think that is? There’s been like a connection with people who have had to face a certain kind of adversity or maybe being just like kind of immediately written off for not taken seriously for, um, something that like, it feels like the mass culture doesn’t really understand quite yet. And now I’m burping. Um. There’s straight up spider on my arm, that’s crazy. Oh my god. You see that? Oh, yeah. If I kill the spider, are you gonna be mad? I thought, um. Are you like an animal empathy person? I, no, you can do what you need to do. Yeah. Okay, hold on, I’m gonna I just think it’s good luck, is what I’ve learned. Not to kill a spider. Yeah, 100%. Well, he doesn’t like the spoon, he really likes me. Wait, that’s crazy. See, wow. Oh my god. Oh, he’s wabbing out. Wow. You were saying the queer community facing adversity has links to anyone in a counterculture who’s experienced the same thing. Ultimately, it’s like an empathetic link. Right, right, right, right, right. No, that spider was definitely gay. Um, so, yeah, I just have noticed that like, queer people, and I don’t want to get into I sound like I’m giving myself too much credit here, but like queer people and most like cultures filled with minorities have been the first to, um, build a piece of culture or like create something that is lasting before the majority of the population catches on. Like, I think I’ve noticed that and experienced that with my story. I’ve seen it happen with like this kind of nostalgia, like, embracement? Is that a word? That has happened with like, even like people like Addison, or um, so many, so many different kind of like, icons that have existed throughout time. Not to call myself an icon. You are an icon. One, this meal is iconic, and these garlic knots. The fact that we’ve saved this for last is crazy. Ugh, see, that’s, I hate that I just lost like so much cheese, but you’re fine. Do you want me to like kind of lob it back on because I picked it up right now. I’m taking your cheese. Mmm, whoa the sound, that was unhinged, that was like borderline gross, but it was awesome. I swear to God. There’s no amplification device. That’s acoustic. Mmm that’s crazy. That’s crazy. Lady Gaga in 2011 had an interview where someone asked if she’d seen Friday and she said anybody that thinks Rebecca Black is cheesy is full of [bleep]. Rebecca Black is a genius. She was certainly ahead of the curve by a decade. What did that mean to you at the time though? It was so special and it’s only meant more to me, I think, as I’ve kind of gone throughout my career and have tried to navigate this entire process. I mean, at the time, it was such a crazy experience to be a 13 year old because, like, I was stanning all of these queens. Like, I was a huge Lady Gaga fan. I was a huge Katy Perry fan. I had Justin Bieber cutouts in my bedroom. It was such a crazy experience to go from, like, living in my bedroom and all of these people being so far away to all of a sudden, like, them mentioning your name somewhere or just acknowledging that you exist. And a lot of those experiences were people who were obviously, like, poking fun and laughing. And that can be, you know, slightly crushing as, like, a kid to see all of your idols. Slightly is an understatement. I mean, that’s, it’s like an incredibly traumatic experience, I can imagine. You know? A little bit, a little bit. Um, but it was just a bizarre, it’s a bizarre one, two of like, wait, this person knows I exist. That doesn’t make sense. That doesn’t make any sense. Um, to, you know, kind of immediately being the butt of a joke. I just was so appreciative. I really do think, especially right now in kind of the culture we’re in of, having all of these like armies of people that you’re kind of responsible for in pop culture and a lot of them are like battling each other. To me, not to say that any one artist is 100 percent responsible for like their fans behavior, but you do kind of lead the way a little bit of like guiding the messaging. And I think ever since then, like so many Gaga fans and Katy fans have always been just so kind to me. And I think that that is, I’ve just always appreciated that as someone who is. Like only just a girl trying to figure it out. Um, so yeah, it was very meaningful. How do you think your new music now is like honoring those like Lady Gaga who sort of came before you? When I look back at, at, uh, Gaga work, like Born This Way and Fame Monster. The material that was in those songs, like the actual writing and the subjects and the visual themes were so intense and so pushing the boundaries further than anyone else had ever done. And I think it shows you like what. and what people want. It’s pop music, sure, at the end of the day. It’s like a very popular form of, of mainstream art, but it’s also, pop music at its best is when it’s actually really pushing the boundaries of itself, and like kind of looking itself right in the eye. So. That’s what I always take from it. And also when it pushes me to shake my [bleep]. As long as you’ve got the [bleep] shaking down, you can kind of do whatever you want. I’m working on it. I’m like an intermediate [bleep] shaker right now. Rebecca, for the second course of your final meal, I want to read this verbatim. This is a Kid Cuisine, the one with chicken nuggets, chocolate pudding, parentheses, very important. Mac and cheese and corn, parenthesis, but IDK if they even make this anymore. And I will tell you, they do not make that exact version, but what we’ve done is we’ve got a Kid Cuisine with the brownie was the only difference. So we have scooped the brownie out and then made a homemade chocolate pudding. Studied with chemicals to try and make it taste like the original Kid Cuisine to give you that experience. Holy [bleep]. Yeah, I don’t know why they stopped making the pudding. There has to have been some medical reason. Definitely some sort of like heavy metal in their recall situation. Kids dying that we don’t know about because they’ve paid more. I’m full of that heavy metal. Same here, dude. I was eating this all the time growing up. How often were we talking about? It was like my favorite food. It was like my dad’s steak. And a kid’s cuisine and I had a single mom for a long time in my life. Both my parents worked quite a lot and like it was, I was shoving these in the grocery cart because they’re just it’s the perfect flavor profile of everything and like I said, I like to mix my foods. I will say the mac and cheese is looking different than it used to. Do you think the mac and cheese has changed or do you think you’ve changed Rebecca? No, the mac and cheese has definitely changed I’m, actually basically exactly the same. Okay. What’s the strategy for for eating this? So what I’m gonna do is take one. This is so great I feel so like exposed doing this. Okay, you’re gonna take some of this and oh, okay okay, they have changed the mac and cheese because it used to be more of like a like a slime like kind of a craft slime. Yeah, I actually remember that. Yeah, and I would like sort of boiling in its own goo. There’s been a breach okay. The mac and cheese has changed a lot. It used to be a lot more yellower and there was a lot more salt and sauce. They’ve really taken out the salt, which is probably good. Yeah, I weep for our childhood, but probably good for the children. This was actually a horrible choice, because if this was my last meal and I was eating it, it’s like laced with disappointment. I The corn has always been my least favorite part. You gotta eat it because that’s the vegetable. Corn is kind of always the same to me. Corn is like pizza and it’s like sex. It’s just kind of never bad, never good. Okay, this is really, did you say pizza and sex are never good? Corn, I understand where you’re coming from. Someone knows what I was trying to say with that. There’s a saying. Even when it’s bad, it’s pretty good. It’s good. Yes! Which, no, I think there can be terrible sex and terrible pizza. Corn is great. The band, not the food. Oh, the pudding’s so great, though. Oh, that pony’s bringing me back to life. Guys, it’s not the same. No, we tried. It’s not the same. You taste the chemicals, though? No, and I think that’s the problem. Get some lead! Got some lead pudding, we’re gonna pop it in there. This tastes like, this tastes like, um, the jello jarred little pudding cups, which, also good. Where I’d get really crazy is I’d start putting the mac and cheese in the pudding, and I’d start putting the corn in the pudding, and then, yeah. I mean, if you want to try and heal that inner child right now, I’m doing it. Rebecca, I said I’d go with you anywhere, this is for 13 year old you. That’s Rebecca, you said when you were 13 that your biggest fear was that you were always going to be trapped in that body, and how the world perceived you. But now you’re talking about really growing, and even in painful ways where you can’t re that is so disgusting. In painful ways where you can’t reconnect with friends, do you think that growth is just a necessary part of you evolving as a human? I think so, I think everyone, I think it’s so easy to like, I’m really sorry, take a look. Oh my god, thank you. The people in my life and the people in my family, what I’ve learned is like we’re all very sentimental for tradition and we’re very sentimental for the things, um, that we’ve grown up with and like getting back to that and recapturing that and this is a perfect example of some things you just have to let go and you’re better for it. So I’d like to let go of this. I loved it. Kid’s cuisine. I’m so sorry there’s corn stuck in my mouth trying not to chew so I didn’t have to taste the chop it with the mac and cheese. I’m really sorry. I’m really sorry, but I didn’t ask you to do that. You are correct I volunteered it and I’m glad that I did. Looking back on Friday. It feels like a historical event Like, it feels like a sacred historical event that would be very difficult to explain to someone ten years before that. And even ten years after that, it’s still hard to, like, capture that moment in time. Do you ever feel like there is a sense of national shame about how the world and the U.S. handled Friday? You would think but then it happens again to someone else. Sure. Sure. Sure. I oh, I actually get asked about this a lot you know, how do you think that the Internet has changed or learned from itself or how do you don’t you feel like the internet has really grown and I think you know the even talking about the internet as like one collective thing can be challenging because it’s really just made up of you know, billions of people who are all having their own experiences and are at different points of consciousness using it. The internet war runs actually so much wilder with the way they portray and kind of like dehumanize people than I think they they did with me. Yeah, it seems like it runs wilder and it burns hotter, but do you think it dies out quicker? It might. Yeah. And it’s definitely happened to it happens to so many, uh, there’s no kind of collective consciousness anymore on the internet like there once was with maybe where Friday and like Gangnam style and those types of things were Now you might have like a Friday in one world that never reaches the other side of the universe, um, that happens and it’s so lasting and then you have another Friday happen simultaneously where these people, more and more people I think are experiencing what it’s like to kind of expand your world to a, all of a sudden it feels like everyone in the world knows who you are, even if they don’t. And then that goes away and disappears. You’re talking about Friday String Theory. This is the Friday Metaverse is what you’re talking about. Yeah, my Albert Einstein high is coming on. No, I’m curious to see what will continue to happen as more and more people experience like what it feels like their world changing, but the world is moving so quickly. Like, you know, it barely even notices these little things anymore, but the people behind it notice. Right. And they, they’ll remember that forever. Yeah. That feeling of intensity, that the whole world hates you. Whereas I think with you, I know it’s a really intense thing to say the whole world hates you, but you did have the whole world or a much bigger portion of the world than I think somebody could even possibly reach today with a lot of things. It seems like it’s almost the death of a monoculture and everything’s decentralizing. Yeah, I, it’s always interesting to hear other people’s takes on it because my experience was so unique to me. It felt so different and it felt like the whole world, but at the same time I had this awareness that I that like, this is not, this is nothing, this is meaningless. Yeah. So I think, uh, to even explain what quote the Tosh.0 blog is to somebody in 2024 feels very strange, but there was a comment that summed up everything on the Tosh.0 video that you did nine years later. Um, that was just, she was a 13 year old girl who put herself out there and it was treated like a war crime. And I think it’s a very perfect summation of everything. Hmm. Yeah, it’s so funny how I feel like this is something that continues to happen is feels like things that really don’t matter in the world. The, uh, it feels very easy for everyone to agree on one thing. Like if something feels very like shallowly bad, it feels very easy that the world kind of comes together and goes like, yeah, no. Oh, interesting. But actual issues with nuance and real conversation feels like we never quite get to the bottom of. You can’t solve healthcare, but you can say, look at this video. We’re all going to like. Bond over hating that here. I don’t know. You said that the farther you try and run from something, the more it just seems to follow you. There is a world in which you completely distance yourself. From Friday, you start performing under a different name, but it seems like you’ve kept Friday a, a big part of your life, and you had the absolute unhinged remix with Big Freedia, 3OH!3, and Dorian Electra that was just sick. You ended your boiler room set. With it, did you ever think about running from Friday, or you knew that that was always going to be linked to you in a way? Yeah, I mean, I was, I was running. You ran to Mexico to help the president get elected. I did cross the border a few times, um. No, I really thought for so long that if I just, like, pushed it away and denounced it and distanced myself as much from it as I could that, you know, maybe people would just forget or, like, people would find something else interesting, but it’s almost like what I’ve found after so many years of kind of exhausting myself over that because it got to the point where I’d be on the phone and someone would be like, Hey, happy Friday! Like, just being kind and cool, and I’d be like, Oh my God! They know. Um, and I, I genuinely, I think, just got kind of at my wits end and exhausted and one, and I think people can feel that discomfort from you and, and some people might try to, you know, walk around that kindly or, or have some empathy there, but this is a certain degree of people will also just kind of like spot out that blood and, and, you know, Once I started to take down the intensity of it and kind of take apart the shame I had in my own head about it, I really saw the conversation change. It’s like, this is like an iconic song. This is like a piece of my childhood, like I used to listen to this at school, or people had these memories that maybe a week before would have colored it with a lot of negativity. All of a sudden it felt like it was covered, uh, colored with the opposite of that. And, um and so it’s, yeah, I don’t know. I have nothing to hide. I have nothing to be ashamed of. And now, like, as I approach my next tour, I’m like, okay, how can we make Friday another new and exciting moment? Because that’s what keeps it fun for me, you know? And it’s not about, like, reclaiming or trying to recreate the moment that it had. It’s just like, okay. We all know this is a fun part of the show. Y’all all know the words, which is your own fault. So you didn’t force those words out of me. They learned it. Exactly. So, let’s party. And have fun. And, um, kind of reclaim this moment together. Yeah. You can see so much genuine, genuine joy on people’s faces when they sing it at live shows. And I think it’s really beautiful, and it makes you smile. Which, like, what the hell are we doing on this earth? If not trying to make people smile. I have a pitch for the second Friday remix. Yes. Hear me out. Early 2010s dubstep nostalgia is coming back. Oh, it’s coming back. Right? It’s coming back. Scary Monsters, Nice Sprites. I’m listening. It’s, yes. Bring Skrillex on the track. Skrillex, come on. I would love Skrillex. I did this once with Justin Bieber on Good Morning America in 2011. I asked him to do a duet with me and he never once reached out. You could be different. Skrillex, don’t be Justin Bieber. I can fix you. You ready to go to course number three? Three. Let’s do it. Let’s do it. Let’s do it. Rebecca, for course number three, we’ve reached the entree portion, I suppose. We’ve got the Wagyu New York strip from Snake River Farms, grilled in the style of your dad. Then we have the steamed artichoke with barbecue mayo. Tell me about the ratio of mayonnaise to barbecue sauce that is important. So, this is like a quintessential, anytime I go to my dad’s house, this is what I want to eat. This is the most dad meal. Yes, and it’s just something that like, every time I’ve brought like a relationship or a partner home for a dinner, this is what we eat, and I’m always like, I know this is a little freaky, but just trust me, and I’ve never gotten a complaint. Okay. How have all those relationships ended? I’m single. Mazzeltov! You did it! Rebecca, can I cut you some steak? Please. Um, are you like a thin slicer or do you like to slice your steak yourself? I would like to slice my steak myself, personally. Please. Absolutely. I do think that there’s something, oh my god, something happens when um, the steak gets sliced thinly that it like, it’s always too thin. I want like a meaty piece, you know? I do agree. I think we need to stop that at steakhouses. That is a plague in America. I don’t get that. I had that last night and it just didn’t make any sense. This is unreal. Steak is like what I want to eat every day. Always, for every meal. I love it so much. It’s a giant piece. Especially when it’s steak, as good as this. Um, it often is an exercise in futility to really to get the past, but there’s a world in which If you wore different pants to middle school one day, then you never would have sang Friday, and you would have sang Wonder Girl instead. It is pretty much true. Basically, I had these uniforms in middle school that there was, for some reason, that you couldn’t wear the actual like, uh, what is it? The, the actual uniform pants given by the company who makes the uniforms or whatever. You were only deemed socially acceptable as a girl at my middle school. If you got the like jegging Navy blue pants from this one store at the village mall, I remember the day I was dating my first boyfriend and we dated for I think 72 hours and it was on the third day that the reason we had to break up was because I couldn’t talk to him in person. I, I couldn’t get myself after he asked me to be his girlfriend to actually go up to him and have a conversation. That’s an important step in the relationship. Yes, exactly. And the third day, which was additionally traumatizing because of this was because I had to wear those ugly pants to school and I felt so so stupid, but I felt so genuinely self conscious of myself and like the ugliest girl that had ever walked the face of the earth. So and then it was a few weeks later that the Friday I never know how to describe this. I describe it as like Friday hitting the second tower. Yeah, it’s an event I said, it’s a historical event. We all remember where we were. When I started the process of recording and like, working, you know, um, with the people I did to make Friday, they sent me a song called Superwoman, that, cause, you know, the kids aren’t writing these songs, like, the people, no. I’ve talked about this before. I know you have. Oh, okay. I got sent a song called Superwoman, and I, in my 13 year old body, felt like it wouldn’t have been a true sentiment to sing a song about being a man’s superwoman if I wasn’t brave enough to speak to him in person while being his girlfriend. So I respectfully declined the song Superwoman and the second song that was sent to me was a song called It’s Friday and that one at least I was able to say I would like to go to a party with my friends on a Friday and also who am I to decline a second song and ask for a third song. Yeah that’s for this random project I’m doing for myself. It’s a little self important. So that’s how Friday came to be. I was also afraid to ask for things when I was a kid. I didn’t know how to do it. It was just so frightening talking to other people. Horrifying. Which, that is like the biggest detail of all this. It’s like you were 13 and you have no idea who you are. As a person yet, and then suddenly you are faced with everybody thinking they know you as a person. Do you remember the first time that you used dissociation to like keep you safe? Yeah, we’re at that point of the meal. It’s happening. Just roll with it. What probably like kick started that for me in kind of the immediate aftermath of trying to figure all of that [bleep] out was, um, all of a sudden again, like, I went from being in the bubble of maybe like having 20 friends in middle school that I saw every day, and teachers that I knew, and my parents that I, you know, knew very well, to all of a sudden there are these numbers and scaling that’s happening at such a grand scale that none of it, it almost doesn’t mean anything. So the human brain isn’t meant to comprehend that either. No, no, not at all. So as like, I remember as that was starting to happen and all of a sudden a team is around me and my parents are also trying to understand the internet and all of this at the same time, it was almost like the larger that it got, the less it made any sense. So I remember the day it hit like a hundred million views and my family was like, this is crazy. Like this is just whether or not it’s good or bad, this is crazy to conceptualize. And I literally was like. That’s not real. Like, I just couldn’t see that as a real number. I couldn’t see the I think that was also probably a way of protecting myself from the comments people were making. So the easiest thing to do is just be like, I don’t care. I don’t care. And convince yourself into not caring. You have a song that seems almost like an ode to dissociation. Holy [bleep], we have an artichoke. I’m gonna eat the artichoke. This is like, a perfect artichoke leaf. I think that’s what you call it? A leaf? That’s what I’m calling it. You scrape it? Mmm! Hold on, I should do it the way you’re doing. This is your last meal. Yeah. I’m overstepping, okay. Yeah. And then you kind of scrape it with your teeth. And get the sauce. This, this also feels like a moment in time. I don’t know that I’ve ever had barbecue sauce and mayonnaise mixed together in that exact ratio. Isn’t it good? It’s really good. It’s really, it’s a sauce. Definitely. I love that it’s a sauce. Are you being real? If we just flip it, no, no, if we flip out for a second, like, from a chef’s perspective, you know, I’ve had all preparations of artichokes. Artichoke barracule from, like, classic French restaurants, um, with the mirepoix and the shallots, and then, um, I’ve never had the barbecue mayo, and so this is a new taste experience for me that I’m very grateful to have had. Mm. I want to talk about your song off your first full length album, Let Her Burn, called Performer. Oh, yeah. It seems like it does talk a lot about dissociation from that. Yeah. Uh, like many different versions all of them hurting was that you trying to like work through your habit of dissociating and did you find anything? About yourself out. Yeah, I think that I was definitely at a point In my life then a few years ago as I was making that album where I felt like um, I I was hitting a wall with all of the relationships in my life, where I felt like I wasn’t really able to be or have the friends that I wanted to have, because I felt like I was just protecting myself. Some people would say like, oh, you’re really intimidating, or you’re really hard to read, or you’re really hard to, um, you know, it’s kind of hard to know what you’re thinking, which to me, I am like, I think I have my emotions written all over my face. And all I want is like to be liked and loved genuinely. I really didn’t resonate with that for so long until I realized how much of a wall I was putting up around people when I felt like there was, um, room to be maybe like not understood or disliked something like that. Does that make sense? Oh, a hundred percent. Yeah. Um, and that’s something I can really identify with too. And performer was me kind of. Trying to wrap my head around that and really seeing the origins of where that came from for me and the people that raised me and the family that I’ve had for my entire life and the friends that I’ve had for so long and seeing how, oh no, like are the things that I’ve seen for so long as fundamental flaws in the people I love, things that I’m inheriting while also trying to be exactly the opposite. Um, and like, will I be able to figure this out? It’s the eternal struggle. That’s the, that’s the strug. As far as like actually being able to to live in the moment and get away from that numbness. Do you think there’s like a deeper spirituality to shaking your [bleep] to dance the hyperpop? Yes, it’s like a modern religious experience in certain ways, right? Yes. Yes. What kind of that community and togetherness? Do you do you feel with that? I I get why people go to church never really done it in my life, but like if I’m at the club and I am really able to be and move in a way where I am not watching or controlling any piece of it and I’m watching other people do that and seeing there is an absolute energy. You’re tapped into a literal higher frequency that the ancients called God. Yes, exactly. I mean, I’ve always said that, like, going to the Renaissance tour, the Beyonce tour last year, most spiritual day of my life. Most insane experience I’ve ever had and was a thing I tapped into that I don’t know if I’ll ever get to again. And that, it’s really exciting to see this like kind of rebirth of dance and that culture happen kind of post, you know, 2020 and everything we’ve been through the last few years in a way that feels even so much stronger. It’s trying to heal the vibes. Vibes are bad right now. The vibes are so bad. Vibes are so weird. And it feels though like we’re at a moment where everything is so tragic that whether or not it’s like disassociation leading the way like people are learning to let go in a way that hopefully will do us good in the long term. Who knows? Probably not. Hey, sometimes you just gotta get through things. I’m, you know, I like a little hope, so. Oh you did the mom shake. Rebecca, for the final course of your final meal on this earth, we have the giant pizookie. Yes, it is pronounced pizookie. What? With vanilla ice cream scooped fresh on top. This is a home baked cookie in the cast iron skillet. And then we have the warm, sticky date pudding with a homemade caramel sauce on top. BJ’s Brewhouse, as two Orange Countians. We both grew up going there way too much, more than people should. This is their signature dessert. They have officially said it is pronounced pa-zooki as it is a port monto of pizza and cookie. Sure. Which begs the question, why not pronounce it pi-zookie if it’s pizza and cookie, right? No, it’s a pizookie. It’s a pizooki. Yeah. Come on, BJ’s. You can talk to me in the afterlife and we’ll figure that out. Uh, dig in. This is. Yeah, these are really hard to make. I tried once to make one of these myself because you would think Giant cookie put a bunch of cookie dough in a in a skillet and call it a day really hard to cook. Oh, I’ll tell you what. I do still think that what happened. I don’t remember genuinely. Well, cheers. Cheers Get out. Get out. Get the hell out. Everybody get out! You’re ruining it. That’s crazy. That’s nuts. That’s crazy. Oh my god I usually like a like a little couple minutes of silent time. We just go to yeah. Yeah. Wow. Wow. Yeah, I have nothing to say. I’m sorry. Hot! Yes. Yes it is. I’m crying. This is so nuts. Ugh, it’s so good. Do you think people have a purpose? Like, do you think you were put on this earth to do something? And what do you think that is? Well, obviously you’re asking me this as I’m eating a pizooki so that I can say it is to eat a pizooki. I genuinely don’t think much about that. And if anything, when I’m, when I’m in a moment of something that gives me such pure joy, joy and relief from all of the suffering I’ve had throughout the day. Um, I think that life is genuinely to just do that is to experience and enjoy and celebrate and also experience all the range of emotions so that you can experience how wonderful things like this can be. Maybe it’s sad that this cookie is like bringing me so much. No, but this is the thesis of the show Rebecca you’ve done it you get it like actually I I’m telling you that food has been my biggest source of, of joy and also interest in the world for my entire life. So I, I fully get that. But I’m always curious what other people get that kind of drive from. I mean, obviously music has been a massive part of your life in that way. Yeah. Like, what is the actual feeling that you get? We, we were all watching the Boiler Room set, by the way, in here together as a family, as God intended. What is the actual feeling that you get when you’re like in that flow state? You’re surrounded by all these people moving to the same beat. Is it pure joy? There’s some version of an ability To command, I think, that I feel when I’m doing any kind of performance. And I think it’s a version of confidence that I can really only tap into when I am on a stage. And performing a song or doing any piece of the show. I feel honestly a lot more vulnerable as a DJ. When I, when I put together a show, I feel like I get to work for several months on something with a group of people to make the best version of something that I can. And I love the repetition and the element of like no surprise that comes with a show, where I get to go, see, we made this and look at how special it is. And this is for you. Um, When it comes to DJing, like, I walk into a room with a bunch of songs that I download maybe an hour before and I’m like, this is sick. And I hope that, you know, I’m throughout the set kind of catering to what people hopefully want or need from me. And so it’s like, you have less control in that way. Yes. Sounds like control is, but it’s control that you are uniquely suited to control to exactly experience for people. Exactly. And I do have a level of confidence in myself now, especially with my live show. Where I know that I can deliver an experience that is so unique to me and what I have like envisioned that, um, I know how to reach those people. Hopefully. That’s the goal. Yeah. The hell’s that? Sticky date pudding. Love it. So this is like, this is me as a child. This is if I was being treated to the most sexy meal ever, I would be eating this. I think it evokes something in me that is like, animalistic. Because it’s so gushy and delicious and salty and perfect and you have to have ice cream with it. Please, I have never heard anyone describe sticky date pudding like that. I am so inspired right now, god damn. Thank you. Mmm! Mmm! Oh yeah. Yeah, it’s like, like an herbal essences commercial from 2006. You remember those? Yeah, I do I do. Oh, use that shampoo never felt that way in my life. Wow. No. This is like the perfect last bite in your mouth before you die, you go to the big sleep. Speaking of which what do you think happens when you die? You think there’s an afterlife or you just go under in the big pizooki in the sky. I really I I’ve grappled with this a lot. I come from like a pretty non religious family. My parents are very much like lights go out, ya done. I think that I like the idea of I’m only getting one opportunity to experience this life in this, in this brain and this version of myself and whatever, whatever comes before or after is out of my control. Then again, I remember having this conversation with someone I was dating a couple years ago where we would talk about how like the idea of somebody living, are they in an early like, life of theirs. If, if the idea of like multiple lives was real. Are they in an early life? Are they kind of in the middle? Or are they at the end? Which one do you think you are? I want to say close to the middle, but a little on the beginning side, I think. I think I’m about to cross over into the later half. You’re cosmically matured, but still getting into the middle. I have a lot of learning to do. But I do think I’ve been If multiple lives are real. I’ve been here before and I think some, some things have allowed me to get through what I’ve gone through because of that. If that’s real and true. You ready to get in the lightning round? Oh yeah. Who’s the one person dead or alive you’d want to share your actual last meal with? My mom. What song do you want to be played at your funeral? Let’s shake it like you make it right. It’s a Sophie song. I think it’s Visey. It’s just like, [bleep] shaking. I’m, I’m pro funeral party. F, marry, kill? Irvine Spectrum, South Coast Plaza, Fashion Island. Go. Okay, marry South Coast Plaza. Oh, North County girls in the house, okay. Sorry, go ahead. Hush, all of you. I’m gonna kill the Spectrum because that was where all of the like, sus high school nights happened. Yeah. Isn’t there like a Ferris wheel or something? Ferris wheel, yeah. Like, I don’t want to revisit that place. And so I guess I’m going to F, Fashion Island. What’s your biggest fear? Like not, not doing it. Like, like looking back at the end of my life and, and not having taken the risks. That I knew I could’ve and survived. I love that. Who’s a dream artist you’d want to collaborate with that you haven’t so far? I’m obsessed with everything that FKA twigs is doing. She’s so fierce. What’s your favorite day of the week of the Mayan 20 day calendar? I can give you a multiple choice if you’d like. Yes, please. Some of my favorites from the Mayan 20 day week. Uh, Ik. Khan, Aqbal, Lamaat, or Dark Horse, Etsnab. Okay, well, obviously I’m gonna pick Etsnab. Yeah, yeah, Etsnab. Yeah, that’s pretty good. Uh. What’s your greatest regret in life? I don’t know. Is it really so corny if I say I have no regrets? You want me to be honest? Yeah. Yeah, super funny, yeah. You know what, I regret being that older sister to my brother for all of the years that I was, where I would just, like, pick and make his life so hard for no reason, and my mom’s, therefore, just for no other reason other than being, like, the older sister who knew that he loved me so much that I could do whatever I wanted. But now we have a very close relationship, so. Finally, Rebecca, are you happy? Yeah. I think so. You think so? Yeah. Yeah. I feel happy. I mean, I feel so full. Is this the most ominous day ever between the vicious dogs barking when you say I think I’m happy to the spider crawling on me? There’s weird omens happening. There’s weird omens today. Rebecca, I really appreciate you being here. This has been an absolutely incredible meal and thank you for answering all of my questions, Mayan calendar or not. If you want to deliver your last words to that camera right there. My last words ever. Ever. Alive. Um, thanks, it was fun. You know, that’s about the most we can hope for. It was fun. Thanks, peace. Everyone, check out Salvation. It’s out on January 17th. Truly some incredible [bleep] shakers. I’ve been singing Sugarwater Cyanide. All day. And then people are like, Josh, you’re at work. Please stop shaking your [bleep]. I’m like, well, why are you staring at my [bleep]? Oh I would say that. Rebecca, thank you again. Where can people find you? Everywhere. For some reason, my handle everywhere is Ms.Rebecca Black as if I’m a divorcee. So just look for that. It’s beautiful foreshadowing though. I think beautiful foreshadowing. You killed your first, you know, part, you know, it’s kind of, it’s kind of a nice, like a black widow situation. Sure, it’s been that way since I was 13. So. Okay now it feels weird. We all gotta eat and we’re all gonna die. But in the meantime, you can wear our Last Meals hoodie, available now at mythical.com.