I’m Kathryn Hahn, and this is my last meal. Every person has exactly two things in common. We all got to eat and we’re all gonna die. You might recognize today’s guest from stepbrothers, bad moms, and Agatha all along. You can catch her in Apple TV Plus’s new show, The Studio, out now. And if you’re in Cleveland in the 1980s, well you could have caught run an icy bridge drinking Boons Farm. Kathryn Hahn, welcome to the show. Nice. Yeah. Boones, Boone’s Farm was what we, uh, definitely drank in high school. That’s what we could get our hands on. I pictured you climbing up that icy jackknife bridge with the motorcycle jacket from Sunshine too. Oh my God. What color was the Boone’s farm? It was called Golden Delicious Apple. And on it it just said serve very cold. Uh, that’s the only way it doesn’t taste like pure poison. Yeah, the blue Fantasia makes me really wanna vomit. Have you thought about your last meal before? No. Never? I live in total denial. That, that’s, that’s gonna happen at the end of it. I’m so excited for your existential crisis with me. That’s great. No, you’re gonna happen. No, I have been definitely. My kid is going to college next year. So your mortality really becomes very like, ooh, okay. What about your kid leaving for college, uh, makes you fear your own mortality more? Because some, for, for, for me, that’s almost like, well, it’s kids leaving. There’s even more freedom in a certain way, and you’re just seeing another phase of his life. But is it like you’re going into the next phase of yours, which is just dying? For me, as a parent, you never think your kid is gonna grow up. So the closer you get to them leaving, the more it’s like the present that you’re in is also the past at the same time, because you’re just seeing everything is starting to feel like very sacred, like your time together. And so I imagine that that would be a feeling that you would have the closer you get to the end, if we’re all lucky to make it naturally to the end that that feeling of, of time is, is will just change. There’s a Tom Wolf quote that’s like, you can never go home again. And every time I hear that, I’m like, because it’s true. Like it’ll never be made me feel sick right down in the stomach. I know. You know what I mean? Uh, you ready to eat the first course? I am so hungry to eat the first course. Kathryn, for the first course of your final meal, we have the saganaki. This is kasseri cheese melted into a cast iron served with a lemon, some pita, and horiatiki, the Greek salad plus a Shirley Temple, some fresh ginger ale, little bit of Grenadine, some lime and cherries. I’m nervous ’cause I have to light this on fire. Would you mind I do the honors? Totally believe in you. Oh God. Thank you. So you’re pouring what on it? So this is called Metaxa. This is a brandy from the island of Samos. That’s up now. And woo, is it on fire? There we go. Oh my God, it is so delicious. Why Saganaki? Where was the first time you had it? I grew up in Cleveland and there was a place, uh, that you could walk to from my house called the Mad Greek and my baby brother. Mm, and I, it was like a big sister thing that I would do with him. We would walk there and get Shirley Temple’s and flaming cheese. I just remember it so dearly. We, that’s such a part of our, I’m putting this on. How old, how old were you when you did that? Please do it up. I was probably like, thought I was like an old, like a cool older sister, so I bet I was like 14. Yeah. And he was nine and it was just the best. I also have another, um, Shirley Temple story, but I have to have some first. These are… Nothing better. I love a Shirley Temple. Have you had a Roy Rogers? I don’t think I have. What’s a Roy Rogers? Roy Rogers is a Shirley Temple except they use Coca-Cola instead of the- You do like to party. I do. I really let you guys, I love to party. I’m gonna dig in. Dig in please. Absolutely. Can I serve you some Greek salad? Yes, please. Alright, so my mom got us season tickets to the Cleveland Ballet. When I was like little younger than that. I didn’t know there was a ballet in Cleveland. I think there is the Cleveland Ballet. Um. Ah, It’s so good. Oh, there’s so much wet liquor on the bottom. I love it. I know there’s so many jokes I can make right then. So we, there’s a place downtown called the Elegant Hog Saloon, and I would get a, basically it was called a Fran Cheesy Deluxe, which is a hot dog stuffed with cheese. God isn’t culture beautiful? It’s so beautiful. And that was, my mom would always have like something and I’d be like, can I get the hot dog and a Shirley Temple? And it was the best pre-game. Oh my God, I wish I was there right now watching some Cleveland Ballet. Mm, come on. They do weirdly pair very well together. They do. Good, great taste as a cool 14-year-old. Okay, here we go. The lemon. Mm-hmm. I wanna talk about your new show, The Studio. Yes. Um, you play the head of marketing. Yes. Who tries to constantly keep her finger on the pulse, and as a result, speaks in like an aggressive corporate Gen Z patis. Um, did you keep any of the Gen Z lingo in your own vocabulary? No. None I would immersively made fun of, but my daughter, I had to ask for what a couple things meant that were written in there, but then I was like, I’m just gonna ask Evan and Seth. Because they were like, no, mom. Because I was like, what’s on God? I had no idea. I was like, I kept saying to God. Mm-hmm. I was like To God, and Seth and Evan were like, no, it’s on God. I think you could’ve gotten your daughter paid as like a consultant, an expert. I think that would’ve been a good role for her. I needed it. I was like, it doesn’t make sense. Like, what is that? What’s on God? Oh, I couldn’t tell you. I’m 32 years old. I don’t know. Why is it on God and not to God? Because I thought it was a pan to God. Or like on, on your, like on my mother, like on my mother’s name, what is the most logical endpoint of that God? Like on God’s name? I, oh yeah, yeah. I promise that this is a true statement. Or like, you better be telling the truth on God. Yeah. That’s how I put it in. That was how it was in the show, but it, it shortened it. Did you learn about the word gyatt and what it means from your kids? I was like, you gyatt get going. School’s about to start. And then they made so much fun. It was, stop, stop. I kept doing it, but what is it? Like don’t get a brat. Summer. Sorry, can you run that one more time? I think the audio got messed up. I hope you have a brat summer. You gotta get a brat summer. You gotta, you gotta got, you gotta get a brat summer. You gotta get a brat. Yeah. Got judges ruling. Yeah. That is technically correct. I have no idea. But what’s gyatt? Is it a verb or a, I think adjective. I think. I think it’s a large butt. Like, yeah. As in, if you see somebody with, with a large, uh, uh, posterior chain, uh, you would say, gyatt damn. Oh, like an dictation. And I, so, but I think it’s, uh, just a, yeah, I remember hearing that. Um, anyways, damn, you play it really well in the show and it absolutely works in the character and it’s, I knew it at the utter hilarious. And that was gone. I wanna talk about the difference between your first role in TV and your latest role in tv because you watch the studio and every single episode is widely different. It’s like they’re their own standalone movies. Yeah. Crossing Jordan, CRO Jom as the real ones call it. Mm-hmm. It’s 117 episodes that fall– Crossing Doordash. That’s what I used to call it too. Mm-hmm. Crossing Jordan. You’re an inspiration to me stylistically, but there’s 117 episodes and they all follow roughly the same structure. Oh, for sure. How wild was it to like juxtapose those two experiences in your mind? Projo was my first job coming out here. It was procedural. There was like basically like a storyline with the cast. And then there was another, you know, horrible, gruesome murder. Mm. And I was the grief counselor in the morgue my first couple years. And so it was me sitting across of some incredible day playing actor that had to go through the worst day of their life. Mm-hmm. And so I’d be like, just try to give as much good energy to them ’cause. That is hard to just drop into. Yeah. You know, your grandma got run over by a reindeer or whatever. Do you remember any of the horrific things that happened because there was a level of horror that only exists and in like an early two thousands network procedural. Yeah. That is just insane. Oh, there’s a lot of it. A lot of decap– Decapitations for no reason. A lot of like skinned alive, like it was a lot of weird stuff. Uh, it was never like, you know, he died peacefully in his sleep. Then they wouldn’t have needed you to grief counsel, but say, yes, your husband died in a plane crash and then you found out that he was having an affair, and then the Japanese mother of the other person having an affair with him came in. Do you remember that episode? No. It’s one of my favorite. I’ve watched so much Crossing Jordan now. I love it so much. Were you ever able to actually tap into the empathy and grief? Yes. All the time. Yep. But I mean, it was like, like you said, it was fantastical, so it was difficult. I was also like the quirky, you know, had my fake tattoos on and my like studded belts. Yeah, yeah. The tattoos were removed in like a, an episode and you were studying counseling at night. Yeah, I was like, oh, didn’t I tell you I had my tattoos removed and now I’m studying to be a psychologist, clinical psychologist. And they were like, no, you didn’t tell me. Basically it was that the makeup team was like, it takes too long to put it on every day. So they were like, she’s gonna get, just get ’em, just get ’em removed in an episode. That’s kinda one of the things I love about that era of TV though. Mm-hmm. When it seems almost like slightly lower stakes in terms of you can just write things into the show. Like, I believe you got pregnant in the final season in real life. Mm-hmm. And, and that was my husband who was the baby daddy. Yeah. He was so cute. We were so, and they took such, I mean that show was so dear. Like, my husband and I got married, eloped basically during that show. And they sent us off with so much stuff. And when we had our like wedding night dinner at the, like this really fancy place, like the magnums of Champagne that came towards us that we were like, we’re not gonna have a Magnum. But they were very sweet. And then also when I had Leonard, you know, on my first born. Yeah, they wrote up pregnancy into it and then they were so awesome when I went back to work. Just like he was there all the time. He had like, so yeah, they really accommodated family, personal life. Human life. I’m forever grateful to that job. That’s beautiful. Um, can we play a little game, that’s Who Said This? Lily Lebowski on crossing Jordan or Fredrich? Nietzsche, the nihilist philosopher. Okay. Okay. Sometimes people don’t want to hear the truth ’cause they don’t want their illusions destroyed. Lily? No, that was Nietzsche. The body is the conduit to the soul. It is only through death that we pass on to a higher state. Nietzsche? That was Lily Lebowski. That was you in season one, episode three. God. Uh, the sun is going to come up tomorrow, whether we live or not. Nietzche. No, that was you after, after you successfully talked down a man from bombing the morgue. Oh, mm-hmm. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. There’s always some madness and love, but there’s also always some reason in madness. Guys, I’m gonna screw it up. Listen, they’re both at the same level. Iconic. They’re kind of the same people. Uh, I think I’m gonna say Nietzsche. That is correct. And then finally, God has a cruel sense of humor. That’s Lily. That’s Lily. Yeah, that’s absolutely, that’s our girl. She got three outta five. Bring out the prize. We didn’t get the prize. It was supposed to be a blue boones farm. I know it’s your favorite. Oh, stop the show. Before we move on to the next course, I wanna make sure you know about our special live stream event happening April 3rd, Survive the Mythical Kitchen. There’s gonna be chaos, there’s gonna be competition, there’s going to be a grand prize the Mythical Kitcheners really desperately want to win. We’ve been designing all new challenges for this, and there is even a last meals element that you’re not gonna wanna miss. Get your tickets now at mythicalkitchenlive.com. Kathryn, for the second course of your final meal, we have the bunker special, what your mom used to make for you. It is a piece of white toast with peanut butter, brown sugar thrown underneath the broiler until crackling and crunchy. And then we have our play on a TV dinner. This is a vegetarian version of a Salsbury steak. This is not Hungry Man. No, it is not. Then we have the Yukon Gold pomme purée, some nice buttered peas, and then the apple crumble with a Shanti whipped cream. We wanted to send you out in style, but also give you the nostalgia of the TV dinner. Okay. Yeah. This is definitely not the hungry man that I would. Have, whenever my parents went out for the night. You had Hungry man, though. That was a Cadillac of TV dinners back in the day. It was. I’m gonna dig in. Dig in please. Um, so good. Mm. This was what I would have whenever my parents went out and was always a Salisbury steak and watched like nightrider, an airwolf were right back to back. Mm-hmm. This is such a specific moment in time. The Salisbury steak was the wettest, um, per square inch of all the TV dinners. That’s why I loved it. But we grew up on lean cuisine. ’cause we were in that era where they had to try and take, take them healthy. And I resented it so much. We went through Lean cuisine too. Mm-hmm. God, I wanna try to make this at home. We’ll give you the recipe, Bradley, if only you weren’t going to your untimely death after this. I know. Ah, right. At the prime of your career. But honestly, this is the way that is actually, if fits like a Kobe cow or like a good heritage breed pig, you are supposed to feed them their favorite food first before. So do you think that they do that? Actually yes, in this vegetarian meat. This is all vegetarian, by the way. We’ll source from Good cow. Tell me about the bunker special. Holy snap. Oh, it so crunchy you guys. This is a secret weapon. Bunker is my mom’s maiden name. Mm. And so this has gone through a lot of generations and it was always never a dessert. It was also, it was always just like an afterschool snack. But it’s candy. Yeah. Well it’s candy on white bread, which is also kind of candy with peanut butter on it. Um, who cares? This is so good. But this is the brown sugar. Yeah. Gather my teeth hurt. Well, I’m sorry. You’ve gotta get the program. Need Shirley Temple? Yeah. Wash it down with some Shirley Temple. I want to ask about your mom because you are just like, hands down, no caveats. Truly one of the funniest actors in the history of the planet. I say that very seamlessly. Oh. Truly, I believe that in my heart of hearts. But you’re not like classically trained as a a comedian. You got your MFA and drama from Yale. You said that your mom was like the comedy icon for you growing up. Oh yeah. Do you remember any recurring bits she had at the dinner table? Like what was it? Did she have a type five? There are so many. I don’t know if it was just for the dinner table. But she would be like, this room is so small, you have to walk outside to change your mind. It was like a lot of that, that was just really great. It’s like, that’s like Catskills. Borsch Bell. That’s great. No, I mean that’s kind of what her, mm-hmm. She had like lines that she would say all the time. No, but she has a lot. Every Christmas. We would have to sing Happy Birthday, baby Jesus. And then we would always have a joke about like how many candles we should actually put on it. So we, we would just put one on God. That’s, those are like quality bits, though. It was a hard dinner table to be at because between her and my father. Mm. It was like, woo. There’s, they were hilarious. Yeah, I definitely was thinking that I was a really serious actor. Like that was the path I was taking. Um, I still love it. I love all of it. And then I think it wasn’t until. I moved out to LA and like auditioned for Adam McKay for Anchorman. It was this very small part that I really was like, okay, I think I understand this. Mm-hmm. Because when you got on stepbrothers, to me that was like the role that, I mean, really exploded going, that was so fun. Going toe to toe with John C. Reilly, uh, especially in the bathroom, is just like one of the greatest scenes of all time. As I understand it, there are several outtakes in which you are planning the murder of Adam Scott’s character. Oh yeah. Do you remember any of the ways in which you said you’d do it? Oh, they were so specific and so graphic. Like I would like, I would bring them, I would bring them, he would slip me the murder weapon. We would the be in the middle of making love. It’s like it was so. Graphic and then we’d be like, how do we dispose the body? And we had a very, very intense plan, I think of like what limbs we would cut off first, where we would have to dump it. Should I take the head in the back of my car and he takes the tourist like it was so specific, I don’t know why I didn’t make any of that movie. How do we access that footage? Surely you can make some calls and make it happen. I have never seen that footage. I know. We gotta plan a ice. Maybe I’m making it up. We gotta plan a heist. I don’t think you are. I think that exists and we gotta do. No, we definitely haven’t. How did you use like, dramatic tools in comedic roles? ’cause there, there’s a very specific scene in a movie called The Goods Live Hard, sell Hard. Yes. Where you come out and you talk about, um, the boxer that you dated. I don’t remember anything. Do you remember this? No. I, I said like, Ramon Pop, pop, that You don’t remember doing that at all? Oh, is this the line where I’m like, they don’t tell you that… The poop leaves the butt uhhuh. Except when you die, the poop leaves the butt. It is, it is like a really great piece of acting. Where like, you’re doing this serious, dramatic monologue, albeit comedically, and you end it with poop leaves the butt. You think that juxtaposition makes it comedy more powerful? The poop leaves the butt. Why am I trying to be James Lipton over here? Like Kathryn, when you said the poop leaves, if this was James Lipton, I would be so happy. I’m feeling like maybe he wouldn’t ask about. Poop leaving the butt and booger special. As your career has progressed, you’ve taken on a lot more like juicier more human roles. Mm-hmm. Do you find that that comes with being more vulnerable on camera or is comedy like equally vulnerable for you? I think it’s the same. Yeah. I mean, it’s vulnerable to put yourself out there and hope that it lands. Yeah, I think it’s like it, it always comes from the same place for me. Uh, God bless you. The pit of the actor’s soul is, is where that comes from. I’ve been it all day. Every, everything I’ve done today has included. This was the, I feel the most comfortable here, though. That’s a huge sign of respect, in many cultures, it is to burp at the table. Not ours, actually. Not ours, but a lot of it should be. I actually, I genuinely agree with you. Yeah. I mean, unless they’re disgusting, like mine. None of them have ever heard me burp. Don’t. People don’t burp. I drink like 15 diet red bulls a day. It’s horrible. That’s really horrible. No, you think I like the way I am? Absolutely not. Don’t do that. I need somebody to yell at me and tell me not to. Okay. Don’t do that anymore. It’s bad for your insides. It’s not good to have to have those energy drinks. Especially the diet ones. Have some iced green tea. Who are you to say– No, this is, this is my last meal. Okay. Anyway, talking about drama. Yes. I, I do think it comes from the same, it has to be from the same source. Mm-hmm. It’s just, you have to know who you are, what you want, and, and like how much gas to put on the pedal. Mm-hmm. I guess tone wise, and that’s something you kind of have to like. Spidey-sense into, ’cause sometimes it’s not clear. Yeah. And the things I almost love the most are, um, imperfect. My pose is like, okay. Would it make you more comfortable if I did it? Yeah, sure. Can you make yourself do it? It’s gonna be energy drink. Oh no, no. Is Vigo Mortenson nice? I don’t know. That’s uh, that was gonna be the next question. But, this, here’s the thing. You really had to work for that. I did. And it was disgusting. ’cause I’ll tell you what. Yeah. Because you saw you like, trying to kind of get the thing up. Wait, no. What were you saying? I was gonna go back to your energy drinks and say stop it. Okay. But anyway, now we can go. Captain Fantastic. It is just, it’s one of my favorite movies of all time. I love that movie so much. Incredible. And I think we, like I knew coming outta that set, I mean Steve Zahn and I were just kind of in and out for a little bit of it, but– Zahn and Hahn just like it’s always been. I know I adore him. We knew it was gonna be real, real special. ’cause I, when I came to visit and I saw all those kids together on the relationship that they had formed, like they went through a whole like wilderness camp together before we got there. Okay. So those, that family was like. Living in the woods together for a very long time. Did anything from that movie teach you about like the many inevitable failures you’ll have as a parent? So that’s kind of my favorite part of it. So it’s a very like human story about somebody trying their absolute best sticking to their convictions, then ultimately realizing that inevitably. The levies are gonna break. I mean, that was a part of the regret I was talking about that’s happening now of like, what did I, we should have taught him this. Like we should have gone here together. We should, but the like, the relief kind of went off of the pressure of that because I don’t know one person that hasn’t been screwed up by their parents in some way. Yeah. Every generation I feel like heals something from the last generation possibly. So that’s what I wanna believe. What’s the main thing you’re trying to heal in, in your kids’ generation? That’s a good question. I’m trying to. I guess it’s more, it’s like self-love. Which was never something that was ever talked about or any, like, it always felt kind of cheesy and I didn’t understand it and I was like, well, it sounded like something else. But I, I was– Onanism the Latin, uh, where as onanism for self-love. Oh my God. That’s getting annoying because you know everything. I’m sorry. I’ll shut up. How to speak Greek. Stop eating energy drinks. Stop. Say it. Okay. Know who Nietzsche is. That’s good. But it’s like self-love. It’s masturbation is what you’re talking about. Yes, exactly. Sounds like that. Yeah. Yeah, that’s what I thought. It was self-soothing. Yeah. But it is, the concept of it is really, I, I would love to instill that in them because the more you really love yourself and respect yourself, the more loving and respectful you are to other humans. ’cause I was a mean [bleep]. Until I started loving myself. You had a motorcycle jacket, of course you were. No, I wasn’t at all. Kathryn, for the third course of your final meal, we have the fresh baked Irish soda bread. It’s a nice Irish salted butter over here, and then the witches stew. We made a vegetarian version of the stew that your mom used to make. On Halloween, we got some deep dark chian oyster mushrooms in there, some potatoes, carrots. And then of course we have the Roy Rogers. You mentioned this in the first round. The culinary team had to whip this up, and so, hey. Thank you, culinary team. Can you be at my house all the time? Oh, no. They have really competitive day rates. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, they do. Catering. Great. Yeah. Okay. You’re high. You hired. Say that. Tell me about the witches too. And the soda bread. I come from Irish German stock, so when I grew up on uh St. Patty’s Day, my mom would make a fresh loaf of Irish soda bread and then. It’s so good. If you want me to speak with an Irish accent, I’m, I’m happy to do that. Okay. Was that, are you okay? Was that a sneeze? What just went on there? Top of the mornin’ to ya! That was pretty good. Okay. We would wear pins that said Aaron go braless. Instead of Aaron go bra. Is that like a feminist screed or like GoPro? It is now. It is now? Mm-hmm. It is now. Which is too, your mom used to make this on Halloween. She would make a very hardy beef. I know this is a vegetarian option, but a very hardy beef stew before we went on trick or treating. ’cause she really wanted us to have some protein in there. Good. So this would be the tradition and my brothers and I would be like, ugh. Kathryn Hahn throwing up beef stew in the Cleveland lungs. But I know, now I really appreciate it. Mm. I don’t know if you know this, you, you played a witch? I did. Agatha All Along. Yes. Did the studio ever take your pitch of calling the show Agatha Witch, please? Seriously, they, they did use that on some, um, promotional goods. Okay. Like, I think some posters and stuff, but either way, either it’s all the way you had your creative input. I definitely had my creative input. Um, and clearly did not get credit for it. Getting credit for it. Now, on your deathbed it’s happening. Yeah. You said that you really admired the way that Amy Poehler ran the set at Parks and Rec. ’cause she was number one on the call sheet and she would, I love her host after lunch dance parties. Yes. You as number one on the call sheet on Agatha. Did you take any inspiration from Amy? I always just, I’m like an ensemble, like that’s how I began as an ensemble. Ensemble. So I always think like. Taking lessons like from people that I’ve worked with the best in the number one position. I just think my job, like one of my jobs, is also to make an ensemble. Yeah. Like make sure that everybody feels as comfortable as possible, as safe as possible. And I remember Amy just doing like, just being so supportive of everybody with it would come and that they felt so free. Yeah, and that’s, I think the main thing you want is to have every actor feel as free and comfortable to play. Yeah. Yeah. Is that the feeling that you as an actor were always sort of chasing, even as you were describing that scene with John C. Reilly of, right, as you were describing that scene with John C. Reilly and just riffing on how you’d murder Adam Scott’s character. Yeah. You know, it sounds like it’s, it’s this like flow state of being connected with both yourself and with another person. I think it’s one of the coolest things to see acting on screen. Was it always you sort of just like chasing that sense of connection in a way? Yes. Because they’re like, because those are two different birds, like improvising a movie and having that freedom to like literally make up anything you want. Mm. Was crazy. And I hadn’t really experienced that before. Like the script itself was so genius. And then the fact that he was so confident, Adam McKay, that he would just let us do whatever he wanted. And that’s different than having something that’s really scripted that, or like the, the writer or director wants it really word perfect. There’s another freedom in that, in which you have like limitations. And sometimes like when you have the bigger the budget, the like more, um, bland it gets. Yeah. Creativity comes from restraint. It’s like make a vegetarian TV dinner. Yes. Yes. Mm-hmm. You consulted with the real witch before you, did I get that? Yes, I did. Yes, I did. Did you take any like fun, pagan rituals with you? During the making of Agatha, I definitely, um, had like a little crystal altar in my house. Mm-hmm. Was, spent more time outside. It was definitely barefoot in the grass, a bunch. That’s witchy. I, I literally stayed in like a witch’s house in the middle of like the woods because I wanted to be closer to the studio. It’s outside of Atlanta. When you say a witch’s house, do you mean like a house that looks like a witch would live in it or like– Yes, yes, yes. Just like a witch’s condo in, in downtown Atlanta. Yeah. No, it was like a little house that just, it was in the middle of so many trees down a very long driveway, and it was just tiny. Like you would just hear the birds. There’s like a bazillion deer that would go through, but I would freak myself out. Yeah. Sometimes at night I would like hear the witch zone. Yes. But I, I did love it. It kind of, it kind of made me pinch it grease, but I did love it for this part. It’s interesting like how juicy of a roll Agatha really was. Especially, you know, you think about. Marvel, but I mean, the witch is like such a powerful literary metaphor. Yes. I know. I think for a lot of like, uh, men’s fear specifically of women outside the context of a man, right? A woman who’s getting older doesn’t live with a man, tinkering with things, what could she possibly be doing? She’s trying to burn us all. Doesn’t care about men. Doesn’t need men at all. Mm-hmm. Like all of a sudden they’re pregnant and you’re like, how does that witch pregnant? Because they know there’s no, no man involved. Yeah. So they just live on the outskirts saying whatever they want, being as loud as they possibly want. And have magic, which I think women have already. Also, I think age plays in witches. Yes. That generally depicted as old, older, Aubrey Plaza plays late lady death. Yes. For fighting against death. You said that like your juiciest roles have come after you turn 40. Like do you see yourself on this parallel path with Agatha? Oh, for sure. You are Agatha. I am Agatha. Hell yeah. I do feel her very, she’s like one of the parts I felt the most. Kindred spirit with, you know, they call Hecket, this Greek creature that contains the maiden mother crone. Hmm. And there’s like three stages of. Some women’s lives, but they, there’s something about the witch that is all three. Like she carries all three at all times. And the crone is of course, the most wise, the most, doesn’t mean need a man at all. She’s the one that they all kind of look up to. So I feel like in this show, I was walking through all these portals to her crone hood, and that was, it was like each, each trial was another like, um. Lessening of like letting your youth go kind of, kind of a way. I mean, I’m young as hell, you’re young as hell, but not that that even clearly matters. So it was like that kind of, um, that was an interesting part of it for me for sure. And we had such an amazing cast of all ages, so like incredible women and. Uh, just like incredible queer people, Joe Locke. Like there’s, so, it definitely felt like a little coven because we were, it was such a scrappy group that aren’t usually represented, especially in Marvel. Yeah. So it felt very, um, wicked steps history. Yeah. But they’re so psyched, so, so behind it in the best way. So it was really cool. Kathryn, for the final course of your final meal on earth, if you would remove your cloche and. Three, two, go. So what we have, does this look familiar to you? Okay guys, I did not anticipate this at all. Okay. So for all the kids at home mm-hmm. This is– Sort of a rocket ship or what? It’s a rocket ship. Yeah. Yeah. This is, yeah. Jeff Bezos’ rocket, but It’s got the squat nature to it. You can tell. Yeah. Um, okay. So I was in a movie called. Bad Moms Christmas. Mm-hmm. And my part, Carla, this is the only shape she would make for her gingerbread cookies also. This is one of the three things I posted on Instagram ever. Yes, yes it is. But my husband snuck. A dick shaped gingerbread cookie in there. Much to my children’s delight. We’re a very mature family, but this is great. I don’t know where to start. Do you eat the boo? Do you eat the, the boosters or the like- I dunno. It’s like a, it’s so weird to look at. I’m just gonna look this, ahhhh! No, I felt it. I felt it. You gotta get that over with. Now it’s like a heart. It’s beautiful. Yeah. Get, just get this over with. Where does your love of gingerbread take gingerbread cake come from? I mean, it’s right there as a, a kid. That was a big part of, of growing up in Cleveland, getting ready for the holidays, is we would always make gingerbread cookies. Mm-hmm. And gingerbread. I don’t think I had until I was like a little bit older, but I really prefer this to the cookies always. Mm-hmm. I love it so much. This is truly one of my favorite things in the world, isn’t it amazing, the world? Mm-hmm. Do you have it over the holidays? No. I, uh, I did like, not until later I was, uh, Jewish, so I would, uh, yeah. Right. You would never. Sufganiyot, all that kind of stuff. I don’t what that is. You are, you’re basically Jewish. The fact that you’re not Jewish. Why did, how many people are shocked that you’re not Jewish? What is this called, you said a name for this? Cloche. What would you call it? Too cloche for comfort. Stupid. That’s good. Have you started the Swedish Art of Death Cleaning yet? Yes. I, I’m obsessed with it. Well, you’ve actually started like practicing it though. I mean, a little bit. I mean, not to get into, I mean, I guess this is death and food, literally the place to get into it. So my, my dear dad passed away a year ago, and one of the things when I walked through his home was like, I wish he had read the Swedish Art of Death Cleaning, because there’s a lot of things for us to deal with. Yeah. Stuff wise, and I love the idea that it’s not like the idea of like only keeping the stuff that gives you joy. Mm-hmm. It’s the idea of like only keeping the stuff that will make the people that you’ve left behind Joy. Yeah. So that is like a beautiful way of reframing it. And also simply decluttering. Yeah. What were the emotions that you uncovered when you were like, going through your own childhood home after your dad passed it? Well, the emotions were like, it was layered. I saw like a lot of stuff that he had gotten, um, after we were kids, like layers of it. And, um, and behind it all was like our, like, so deep inside was like our baby stuff and like our books when we were kids and like my Barbies, so like. When it finally got to the real personal stuff, that’s when it was like, Ooh. Yeah. Had to like sit there for a second. But the other, the other stuff, it felt like, you know, just clutter. Are you glad that you, you had that experience with that nostalgia, or are you? I mean, I’m not, like, I wouldn’t say like I’m a sentimental person with stuff. Mm-hmm. I think that’s probably ’cause of, you know, your, my environment. So I really could live a very minimal life. Mm-hmm. Like, I don’t really have, like, as long as I have photo albums. And maybe like we have a keepsake box for each kid that has like very special things in it. Otherwise, I’m not very sentimental for objects and stuff. Yeah. Sometimes I like, I didn’t work for that one. That was just timed up really well. We are, we, this is the most disgusting last meal you’ve ever had. We’ve done it. It’s interesting when you’re talking about your dad’s like kind of dying arrangements and not having any like. None of them are actually for you. You’re, you’re dead. At least in my own worldview. I, you know, you’re not looking at anything your death arrangements are for the living. Yeah. What do you sort of ultimately want to leave your kids in that way? Well, after experiencing it on from this part, I would love to make it very specific and clear for them every single thing in writing so that they can spend that time. I don’t wanna assume, but that time properly being able to like grieve. Mm. ’cause a lot of the time that I was, could have been or should have been grieving, I was just dealing with logistics. Mm-hmm. Which I think a lot of people would handle that way, like, but just literally getting the stuff out of the house. Yeah. Uh, ultimately, what do you think happens when you die? I don’t know. I wanna believe, like, in my mind I believe that it’s, ’cause my, I don’t know if this happened to you. Like my dad was very much alive. He, we just had his year death anniversary and he, he was, he has been really around like in my dreams, nonstop. Like he’s very awake. Mm-hmm. And so, uh, obviously I think that’s a memory. Sure. It’s just memory. But there’s also a part of me that’s like energetically feels like we, we still have this like. Uh, weirdly like a reparative relationship now. Like how he comes to me in my dreams or like how when I see him, you know, it feels like we’re, it, it feels actually like a clearer, cleaner relationship. I dunno if that makes sense. Or maybe it’s just the way I’ve like, been able to process it in like a good way. Like I definitely felt like when we said goodbye, I felt very. Clean. Mm-hmm. So I, to answer your question, I wanna believe that, I wanna believe that it’s so much energy in a human being that I can’t imagine that, that just from a practical way, that energy can’t just be totally gone. You’re ready to get in the lightning round? Yep. Let’s do it. Marry, [bleep], kill: Nutso. Shirley Squirrely. Know it Owl. [Bleep] nutso. [Bleep] nuts. Kill Shirley. Absolutely. Marry Know it Owl. Who’s the one person dead or alive you’d wanna share your actual last meal with? Oh, my hubby and the kids. You can, can I put like my family? You can bend the rules. Yeah. This isn’t really– That would be the best. What song do you want played at your funeral? I would love some, like, maybe a, like a Billie Holiday or like a Ella Fitzgerald song would be really great. Who’s one Marvel character you’d want to see opposite Agatha. I have been asked this and I think maybe, I think Dr. Strange or Loki would be really fun. Misti Mis misti. Mischievous magic. Mischievous magic. I feel drunk right now. You are drunk. I don’t know what is happening. You ate a lot of liquor cheese, Catherine. Oh my God. I wanna see the Hulk with Agatha. Kinda like a black cat girl. Golden retriever guy situation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I, I think, I think like. Other, like a wizard or, um, like a mischief maker of, you know, also, of course, Scarlet Witch Scarlet. Yeah. Yeah. Who’s your favorite cameo in the studio? Oh my God, there’s so many, but I, there’s so many. Ron Howard was pretty amazing. Unreal. He’s got a great, um, episode and you forget what an awesome actor he is because he is, like he has his whole childhood. I grew up watching, uh, totally. Yeah. So he’s, he’s fantastic. Who’s your dream eulogize at your funeral? Oh, I would want it to be someone that knows me really well. I wouldn’t say like, you know. Kathryn, I accept. Okay. I’m putting you right in there. So, and my family’s gonna be like, who? And I’m gonna be like, have you not seen my Mythical Kitchen episode? You guys watch TikTok? Sorry. I’m sorry, I interrupted you. Who would it be? I think it would be, again, one of the three most important humans in my life. So my hubby or one of my two kids, they’ll have to duke it out. Uh, what’s your biggest fear? I think I, it all ties into the end of it. I guess it would be wasting too much time worrying or ruminating or being anxious about, but just something instead of living, like, I don’t wanna miss the minutes, and I’ve lost plenty of minutes and I think we all have, but like, I would love to not What’s your greatest regret? There’s a couple of movies, um, that also happened to be outta town, so it’s like a double, it was like a double whammy of not being with my kids. Mm. Missing them and also just being like, why did I do this? And also, I don’t know, I were, I just, there was a lot of chapters of like. Of like I was ruminating or just like so much time, like talk, like my decision making for a while. There was like all that wasted time. I think, but I could have been like really present with my kids. Are you happy finally? I’m very happy. You seem very happy. I’m very happy. Yeah. I mean, I definitely have days, but I’m, but I am right now in this minute I’m in right now. I’m very happy. Very full. Kathryn, thank you so much for joining us. If you wanna deliver your last words at that camera right there. She picked the wrong battles. Kathryn Hahn, 1973 to 2099. This was so fun. My God. A total pleasure. Kathryn Hahn. Thank you so much. She’s in The Studio on Apple TV Plus, you can find the entire Crossing Jordan catalog on Amazon. Amazing. I didn’t know that. You gotta go see The Studio on Apple. I think it’s how where, that’s how- Apple TV Plus, yeah, yeah, yeah. Gyatta, gyatta. You gyatta see it on Apple TV plus. We all got to eat and we’re all gonna die. But in the meantime, you can wear our last meals, tee and hat. Available now at mythical.com.