Now I have time, but I still have stuff to do. And I got in trouble for not clocking out and then finishing what I had to do. So, they wanted you to clock out but then continue to work? Yes, my boss would literally be like, you just have to clock out right at nine and then finish whatever you have to do. Which is actually against the law. No, a 100%. Everyone, welcome to Trevor Talks Too Much. I’m mad, and I’m your host, Trevor Evarts, Master baker, Mythical soft boy, dodger of jury duty. And today we’re talking about different life paths. I know I seem very mad in that intro just to say we’re talking about something like that. No, yeah. Today we’re gonna talk about different life paths. It’s something that I’ve thought about a lot and I’ve encountered a lot just like in my personal life with people that I know and like just how everyone you know is on a different path and can do different things at different ages and nobody has to be the same. There’s not a blueprint that you have to follow. But anyway, back to jury duty. ‘Cause that wasn’t a joke. And I’m very tired right now because I was up like two hours earlier this morning than I normally am talking to a robot over the phone trying to get out of jury duty. Okay, ’cause jury duty’s so dumb. It is though. I live in a subsection of Los Angeles called The Valley. Okay? In this valley, our cities such as but not limited to Glendale, right? Glendale’s in The Valley. Burbank, San Fernando, it’s called the San Fernando Valley. That’s not important. I live in Burbank. Downtown Los Angeles is not close to me at all. No, it is not. It is very far away. But they wanted me to drive to downtown Los Angeles at 7:45 AM and go decide someone’s fate. I don’t even understand how jury duty works to be clear. Again, more, more evidence that I shouldn’t be going. But, I one, I’ve like, I guess the way jury duty works is like you’re on call. So like, Yes. You have a service week and then you have to check, one, this is also a really stupid thing ’cause if you’re gonna like schedule me for jury duty, let me plan for it. But the way that jury duty works, it’s like at 7:00 PM you have to check online or call them to see if you need to be in the next day. So like at 7:00 PM that’s when you have to start planning for whether or not you’re gonna be able to go into work the next day or like adhere to the commitments that you have. Like that’s not enough time. No, not at all. And then you’re just on call, which is insane. So the whole week I’m like, I didn’t get called in and I was hoping to just like dodge a bullets. Two days ago I got my, I got a Covid booster, my second booster, I think, I got my second booster. So yesterday I was feeling like, ploop. Anyway, I go online last night and I check and they called me in to be in duty today. They called me into duty today and I was like, no, I don’t want to go ’cause I gotta do this show. Which we already had pushed, we’d already pushed recording this episode because I felt like ploop from my covid booster. So I already pushed it once and then we got freaking other stuff to do. I got, I got a job, I have a job. I’m sorry jury duty. Anyway, so then I was on the phone with a robot this morning trying to tell him that I can’t go because on the website, both the website and the robot told me, Yes. That if you have symptoms of covid, do not show up to the courthouse and I have symptoms of covid. Because of the booster. Because of the booster. I had the booster like the side effects you’re experiencing some of the covid but you didn’t specify that. Yeah. They just said if you have symptoms of covid so legally, oh, I wonder who they’re gonna pick to be the jurors at my trial. Yeah, they’re like, so this man did not show up for jury duty. And then you get like Dwayne the Rock Johnson becomes on your trial, celebrities have, There’s no shot celebrities have to do jury duty. That’s messed up though. Oh no, of course. I mean I have only had one jury duty experience that I followed to the letter of the law. See Jamie’s so much older and wiser than me. I’m not calling you old Jamie but you’re a lot older. You’re, I say like you’re so much older than me, it’s not true. Jamie has life experience and I thought ‘casue this is the first time I’ve ever got a jury duty summons, I was like, oh shoot, they’re gonna lock my up if I don’t go. So I like did all the things I was supposed to do and I filled it out. Which is rare for me because I’m pretty sure there’s currently a recall on the model of Jeep that I have. Oh, I ignore those two. On the airbags that like if I get into an accident, I’m probably just gonna die because the airbag’s gonna malfunction and send shrapnel into my neck at 200 miles per hour. And I’ve known about that for months, haven’t done anything. It’s such an inconvenience though to like bring your, ‘Cause they can’t arrest me for just choosing to live dangerously, but apparently they can’t arrest me for not going to jury duty. So this is bad advice. Get into ’em. If you never, “got your notice” and for those of you listening and not watching, I am doing quotations, you can say I never got notified. They can’t prove that you did or did not receive the notice. But why would jury duty work that way? Because you can go, you can get bills from people that are only in the mail. Like you could get like a hospital bill that’s only in the mail and if you just ignore it and say you never got it, they’ll still send to collections. I guess jury duty’s different. Yeah, they can’t, they can’t send, there’s no jury duty police. I mean, I guess it’s just the normal police. I was joking so much last night about what my excuse would be. They don’t care if you can’t pay your rent because your job doesn’t give you money for missing for jury duty. They don’t care. They pay you like ten dollars a day. But also like why doesn’t Dwayne the Rock Johnson have to go to jury duty? Because he probably is like, I have this obligation ’cause I’m Dwayne the Rock Johnson. God. I bet you they can always claim like, you know what, I have a charity event. That, I’m sorry for ranting about jury duty for so long. What are we talking about? We’re talking about life paths. I know what we’re talking about Jamie it’s a joke. But it was a great segue, Into. Into, I don’t know, just talking about like planning your life and like comparing yourself to other people because it’s something that I’ve one, I’ve done myself a lot and I think I’ve talked about it before on the show. Like my dad and my mom are like high school sweethearts. My mom like went to nursing school straight outta high school, got a nursing degree, became an RN. My dad moved up to Idaho from southern California, went to school for accounting or something, dropped out of college and started his own company, which is fine. He’s very successful. Good for him. All that to be said, as the problem child that moved. Well one, I graduated high school, I moved to Virginia, did essentially nothing for a year. Worked in a great Italian restaurant though. That was fun. Then, packed it up and moved to Los Angeles to go to culinary school. And now I work in a production company. I’ve always felt like I was different and not didn’t follow the like blueprint I guess that the other immediate family members of mine had. And I don’t know, I always felt like less than because of it or like, oh I’m like different and bad because I did do that. I mean it’s a conversation that me and my girlfriend have had a lot of times too because she graduated with a degree in biology from a really great university. But then like after she graduated, she was like, I don’t know if this is what I want to do with my life. And now she’s been like kind of bouncing around, trying some other things like graphic design, stuff like that, like blender, and visual effects and stuff, coding, stuff like that. All that being said, she would get sad. She’s like, “Oh Trevor, you’re so successful.” It was a great impression by the way. I’m sure Dusty sounds exactly like that. She’s like, “You’re so successful and I just feel like I don’t know what I wanna do with my life.” And I had to constantly tell her like, “Look, not everybody does this and that’s okay. Like, nobody has to have the same life path.” There’s not, a specific like way that you, even as much as our society and like our capitalist society wants to tell you that there is a specific life path that you have to take where you go to high school, go to college, get a nine to five job, work for 40 years and then retire. And as much as they want that to be the blueprint, it isn’t. And you don’t have to do that. Like I was lucky I knew that I wanted to do something like I actually wanted to be like a hard news journalist. I wanted to be an investigative reporter. I wanted to like go and be in, my plan was to do that and then be a news anchor and be super professional. And look at you now. Look at me now, I’m a wrangler for Trevor. Oh, how the mighty of fallen. No, I literally, my first, Trevor’s babysitter. My first internship after college was for a sex podcast. Yeah. And then I ended up becoming the producer of that and being there for like five years and I realized I don’t wanna go into news. Yeah. And fun fact, when I was interviewing for this job, I had gotten an interview for another position for another job and they wanted to offer it to me and it was going to be news production. And I literally told the person hiring me here, I was like, I have another job offer, I don’t want to take it, I want to work for you guys, but I need to know fast. So basically I think the person, I think it was Kiko was like, Yeah. Trevor, you need to make a decision if you want this person and thankfully, thank you Trevor for picking me. So I did not have to go into that. I don’t know if you ever told that story at the podcast before, but Kiko, formerly Mythical employee. A lot of people know Kiko. Kiko, I love. Yeah. But when we were starting the show, everything was happening very fast and we were hiring, or we were trying to hiring for Jamie’s position very quickly. And I remember Kiko was like, “Oh yeah, like we’re gonna do all the interview process, you know, make sure they have the skills and then like, you know, we’ll send you some options and you can do kind of like, you know, little like sit down with them to see if you like vibe with them.” And I was like, cool, that’s great. So anyway, Kiko comes to me, he’s like, “Hey, you know, we honestly haven’t really found that many people. There’s one person that we want you to talk to, but she’s really great and yeah, if you wanna just like sit down and have a convo with her, you know, to see if you vibe.” And I was like, sure. All while I’m under the impression that this is just me, like sitting and chatting with a person while like Kiko or someone else professional is there. Like I had no clue. So anyway, it’s like on my calendar and I just like joined this Google meet and Jamie’s in there and I’m like, “Hey, I’m Trevor. I don’t know where Kiko is and Kiko did not tell me that I was gonna be doing this alone.” I did not know that part. Kiko did not tell me I was gonna be doing this alone. And then it was like an interview, like for whatever reason they wanted me to interview Jamie by myself like I have any credentials, like you’re putting someone’s life in my hands here. And so then I like messaged Kiko was like, “Are you coming?” And Kiko was like, “No, it was just gonna be you two.” And I was like, “Okay, all right.” I was like, well it’s my time to shine. And I think it went well. I think so I felt good afterwards. I messaged Kiko was like, “Yeah, I really like him. I think we could do great work.” And that’s when I got the offer like was super soon after that interview between me and you. Yeah. And I was like, oh I don’t wanna take this job but I wanna take this Mythical job. Yeah. And so I was like, Kiko was like, I was like, we’re just gonna be transparent here, I have another job offer but I really wanna work for you guys so if there’s any way to figure out if this is gonna be a fit in the next, so I literally, I had never done this before ’cause I was always like, oh you take a job when you get it. Yeah. So, when they called me and they were like, you know, they were like, we’re offering you the job and they’re probably thinking like, oh she’s gonna be so excited. And then I was like, “Oh that’s very cool. Can I take a couple days to think about it?” Yeah. And she was like, “Oh yeah, of course.” But in my head I was like, I’ve never done that. And I felt so anxious being like, ’cause then I was like, what if this Trevor kid was like, actually, Yeah. Don’t, she was the worst. I think we talked about, I don’t even remember what we talked about. I know we talked about movies of some sort and I was like, what if I up? Did we actually talk about movies? One, there was no substance to whatever I was saying because again, I didn’t prepare it all for that because I was like, I don’t know, I didn’t think it was gonna be me alone. I thought that Kiko was gonna be there and like asking you some questions and then we would just be kind of having a conversation. And then it was just us two alone in a Google meet and I’m like in my room honestly probably playing like Roomscape on my other monitor. Just like, “So what do you like?” Yeah, it is kind of what it was. Like actually, oh God. But it all worked out. It did, no, and I’m really glad I literally, I mean I remember after that happened I was like, “Yeah she seems really great. Like we had a great time, we had a great convo.” I was like, “I don’t know if I was supposed to ask her anything like specific, but she seemed really nice and I like talking to her.” And look at us now, anyway. So that’s how me and Trevor arrived here. Yeah, which is so random. I mean I moved to LA specifically to go to culinary school. Yes. ‘Cause I’ve always loved cooking but until like four weeks before I was actually in culinary school, I had never thought of doing like cooking as a career. I mean I’d obviously entertain the idea and I’ve always thought since I was a kid, oh it’d be so much fun to like own my own little breakfast place ’cause I like breakfast it’s my favorite meal. And I was like, it would be so much fun to like own my own little cafe. Like how cool would that be? But like, never did I think like, oh I’m gonna go to culinary school and start working in restaurants and in the service industry. Then I went to culinary school and then I started working in restaurants and in the service industry and then after a year of that I was like, this is the worst I have ever felt in my life. Yeah. It’s not a great industry. I’m getting paid $0 to live in one of the most expensive cities in the United States. All while hating myself and being like taken advantage. Okay, also, very illegal. At my old job, Dominique Ansel, I’m sorry. I worked one to nine, right? Yes. That’s eight hours? Yes. I worked one to nine. I had a set like certain amount of things that I had to do every day for there to be pastries the next day in the bakery. Yes. Like if I didn’t finish what I had to do, there wouldn’t be croissants or there wouldn’t be cronuts or whatever. If I didn’t finish, if there was like, but like also alongside of like doing things in the back and making pastries, I also had to make sure that the front was stocked with like stuff that’s like fresher and easier to make. So if I’m in there on a Saturday and it’s really busy and I’m by myself, I have to basically do two jobs where I am making things for the front while also doing all of the prep for the pastries for tomorrow. Yeah. So then there would be days where I’m like, it’s nine o’clock and things have finally slowed down and the bakeries closing like and now I have time but I still have stuff to do and I got in trouble for not clocking out and then finishing what I had to do. So they wanted you to clock out but then continue to work? Yes, I got in trouble for taking overtime and my boss would literally be like, “You have to clock out, we can’t clock any overtime.” You just have to clock out right at nine and then finish whatever you have to do. Which is actually against the law. No, 100%. I’d be like, I’m pretty sure that I’m still working. This is not a salary job. If you wanna pay me salary we can talk about that. No, honestly unreal. And like looking back now I’m like wow, I was actually just being taken advantage of but like also my, ‘Cause you were like 19 right? Yeah. Or 20 at the time, 19? 19. Yeah, so workers or bosses, they’ll be like, they don’t know. And as a 19 year old you’re like this is, I think this is, this might be normal. I don’t know. Also as a 19 year old I’m like if I don’t do this they could probably just fire me and get someone else to do my job. Yeah. But which would also be illegal. Yeah. Which I wouldn’t know. So anyway, you have a lot of rights as a laborer and it’s important for you to know them so that you don’t get taken advantage of. If you ever have a boss, quick Trevor’s tips, If you ever have a boss that says that you need to clock out at the eight hour mark and then continue to do work, that is illegal and you could sue them. Yes. And also if they want to fire you for not clocking out and then continuing to work, that is also illegal. Build your cases people, document everything. Anyway, what was I saying? I worked at a bakery and after a year I wanted to die and I was literally at the end of my time working at Dominique Ansel bakery, I was sitting there thinking, I was like, I don’t know if this is what I want to do. I was like, I don’t know if I wanna work in the food industry. Yeah. For the next 40 years like I’m sitting there, I’m doing the math and I’m like, this is the first year that I’ve been doing this and I’m already feeling like dead and I just dropped a billion dollars on culinary school. Yeah. I can’t, like, what am I gonna do? And also, the internal part of me is like if I choose to like move back home and do something different, like then I’m just a major disappointment to my parents. Like, I don’t want my parents to be disappointed in me and I don’t wanna be like the failure of a child that’s like got moved around the country and done all these different things and ends up just like moving back home and then like getting like a normal job. I don’t know. I was very anxious and very scared. And it’s crazy ’cause you’re so young. At that point to feel like your whole life is over almost. I was 19 when I was like that. But so many people go through that and it’s crazy. I know, honestly if I had like moved back home, I mean thankfully I would’ve been in a position probably where I could move back home and be supported by my parents. But like, I could’ve just done anything else. So, did you go straight from the bakery to Mythical or did you have like a in between period? Yeah, I went straight from the bakery and this is the funniest part, I was very adamant that like, hey, I’d like to give my job that I have now two weeks. Mhm. Like, I think that that’s a professional thing to do. I was like, they’ve treated me very well, which they hadn’t. But in my head I was like, I’m gonna be professional, I want to give ’em two weeks. Yeah. It’s what a professional person would do. So I like postponed my start date here and I was like, I’m gonna work an extra two weeks at bakery. And then I told, I put in my two weeks and I told my boss and she had the audacity to look me in the eyes and say, “Really, only two weeks after everything that I’ve done for you?” No she did not. She asked me to stay on an extra month because it was the holiday. She’s like, “It’s the holiday season and you’re leaving now and only giving two weeks after everything that I’ve done.” I’d be like, what was that? And in the moment I was sitting there like I know I’m so sorry, Oh my God. but this is a really big opportunity. And again, like looking back now, I’m like oh my God. We’re gonna talk about different life paths and I’m here just like fighting for like laborers. Like don’t get exploited as a laborer. No this is better. This is good. Like I mean this is the thing, when we’re young, we enter the workforce not knowing necessarily what our rights are, what we can say no to, that the fact that you can have boundaries with your job. Like that’s actually okay. I always felt like when I was doing my job I was like yeah, it’s like I’m young, I’m in the weeds, I gotta pay my dues. Yes. Which I’ve realized that when you don’t have boundaries at work and you work for people that aren’t always looking out for your best interest, they’ll take advantage of that. Yeah, 100%. I mean, like, there’s this whole like trend that was going around a little bit ago called like ‘Quiet quitting,’ how like gen Zer’s are quiet quitting, which again is the stupidest phrase I’ve ever heard. Which is basically meaning for anybody that doesn’t know, quiet quitting was when someone only does what is required of their position and doesn’t do anything extra. And they were saying that it was like the worst. And they were saying that that was like a negative thing. Like, what? Like and I mean paying your dues is a real thing but I think it’s been like altered in a negative way where it’s paying your dues means getting exploited by people until you know enough to not get exploited. If that makes sense. Yes. You know what I mean? Where it’s like paying your dues is like if you want to make a lot of money in a certain field, company, position, whatever, you have to start small and work your way up. Which is a normal thing. Like most people don’t come out of college and get six, seven figure jobs. If you want to make that much money you have to start on like on the lower end as far as position, depending on you know, what kind of degree you got or whatever. But generally speaking, you start low and you build up. Yeah. That’s paying your dues. Exactly. That’s just like working, that is like you work, you get more experience in the field, you get more knowledge in the field, you get more connections in the field and then you start to see more opportunities and more opportunities for growth. Paying your dues is not being exploited for five years until you realize, wait, this is really screwed up and then you start fighting for yourself and not getting exploited and then they’re like, okay we’ll like give you what you deserve now. That is two very different things. Yes, a 100%. I wanna go back to the whole life path thing. Do you feel like it’s this like sunk cost fallacy that you’ve devoted so much time to a particular field or direction but you’re not happy but you feel like would be such a waste if I changed career paths or direction? Yeah, I think that’s probably what a lot of people go through and a lot of people feel. I mean, I was feeling that sunk cost fallacy for my two years in culinary school and one year working in a baker I was like, I’ve devoted three years of my 19 year old life to this now or whatever. I have to do this for the rest of my life. Like that’s what I was feeling. I was like, I’m gonna be stuck doing this for the rest of my life because this is the path that I chose and I have to stick to it ’cause that’s how the world works. But I don’t think it is and I think it also, you know, it’s different for every field too. I mean it’s hard to say in like any sort of definitive and overarching way that anyone can do anything that they want because not everybody can be a doctor. Like I couldn’t be a doctor. I could not. You gotta go to like eight years of medical school to be a doctor and I respect that and doctors are great people and that’s one of those paths, yeah you probably gotta go to school for that for eight years. Not everybody can be a lawyer but, can you go to medical school or to law school when you’re in your thirties? Yes. I mean if you have the bandwidth, if you have the resources and the cushion to do that, you can totally, who knows, maybe in ten years I’m gonna be like man it would be coolest frick to be a lawyer and I’m gonna go to law school because I’m gonna get very passionate about the one time that I got put in jail for three days for dodging jury duty. I’m gonna be like this is an injustice that I need to solve and I’m gonna become a jury duty lawyer. You a better call solver. Oh my god. I don’t know. There’s so much of it that’s just like living for when you’re old. It’s like you gotta work hard, you know, for 40 years so that when you’re 65 you can retire and live a life of luxury. The frick am I gonna do when I’m 65, I don’t even know if I’m gonna make it to 65. And it’s, I don’t know, it’s this very weird like I think that everyone and also people have different passions. I have passions other than cooking and like I would love to at some point in my life do something outside the realm of cooking. And I mean I kind of do that now but still like a lot of my job, Yeah. is based around food but like who knows, maybe in six years I’m gonna be like man I wanna, I wanna join the gaming industry. Yeah. And do like the business side of gaming or something like that and I’ll go to school at night and get a freaking business degree or something. I don’t know. That’s something that I could do and that I would maybe wanna do in the future. And I don’t think that it is bad to look at that as a like, that’s a positive I think. I don’t think that you should look at yourself potentially changing career paths or, and I think it’s not a bad thing and I think a lot of people get scared of like they feel like it’s starting over, you know like, oh I’m starting over if I pick a new thing I’m starting over. But I don’t think it’s that way ’cause I mean one, you have a lot more life experience. Yes. You have a lot more knowledge and any employer, I mean it depends if you like change your field. Like if I went into rocket science and wanted to work at NASA, I’d probably have to start on the ground floor. Yeah. But I mean if I do something else, like even though I’ve worked at a production company and done mostly food based stuff, if I went to say a gaming org and wanted to join them in a different position, they would probably see whatever experience I had. Whether at that point it was like six years of experience working at a production company. They wouldn’t just be like, oh he was only cooking so he has no experience. Yeah, they would look at your whole. Yeah, they’re gonna look at the fact that I am someone that is capable and has held down a position and gotten consistent promotions and raises through that position so it’s obvious that I’m a hard worker and that I’m smart and know what I’m doing. And they would look at that and like see me as someone that wants to learn and like I think that, I don’t know, people get scared of like starting over. I mean I was scared of starting over when I was 19. I was scared of, Yeah. I was scared of the thought of like, oh my God if I switch career paths now my life is ruined. Like I was literally thinking that. And I don’t think it’s that way at all. Change is just scary. The chaos that you know always feels more comforting than something brand new. Yeah. Which it could be one of the biggest changes. We also, I feel like, feel like we need to be successful in our twenties but there are so many people, like there was this person who was on different podcasts that I’ve worked on, he’s called the Angry Therapist and he did, he was working like reading screenplays and in production and he hated it. Yeah. And at 37 he decided to go back to school, get his degree so that he can work in therapy and he became a non-conventional therapist. Yeah. And that was at 37. Yeah. And he’s like so happy now. But there’s so many stories of that like so many people have changed their career path or what they wanna do with their life. Like even in their forties. Like you feel like you need to be established by then, you could be established but you could still change what you wanna do. Yeah. I mean my dad literally is like one of the perfect examples ’cause I know I’ve used this as an example is like, oh this is the right career, this is the right way to live your life. But realistically, my dad went to school at Boise State University for like accounting and then, Oh really? he never showed up to class and he went and shot pool at the student union building all day instead of going to class. And then he would just like ace all his exams and his teacher’s like, why are you here? He’s like, you don’t care. Why don’t you just go do something with your life? Like why do you come, why are you in college? Yeah. So, my dad’s was like okay. And then he started his first technology company, it’s called like, it was called like Now Disk. And they did something with like, back when instructions for like operating systems. Yeah. Like windows were all on compact discs. Yeah. Anyway, he did that for like a few years and then he sold that and was like, I’m gonna start a technology company called Trans Site Logic Systems. And they created software that helped investigators, like police and detectives, recreate like crime scenes and investigations, even like crash scenes. Oh, wow. So like they could basically, they could recreate a car crash to see what happened based on like the debris and how things ended up. They could recreate it. Yeah. To help them like see what actually happened and investigate it. Then that technology got bought by some people over in the government. My dad did that and by the end of that he was like, God, this is the worst thing ever. I need to get out of this. This is terrible. And then he stopped and then now he made a lot of money off that though and now he owns a cigar lounge and like builds freaking affordable housing buildings in the city that he lives in. Oh, that’s awesome. Because that’s just like a passion of his. Yeah. God, how old is my dad? What year is it? It’s 2022. How old is my mom? I don’t know. My dad’s like 49, I think. Oh, younger dad. Yeah, 40. I think my mom’s 51 and my dad’s 49, maybe. But anyway, he does that now. And so, he’s done all sorts of, he’s done everything under the sun at this point. But, yeah, I don’t think that there is, I think that unfortunately we live in a society and unfortunately money is very important. Yes. I will say that you do have to have a lot of the times when you hear these success stories about people that are like, they just like switched, Martha Stewart didn’t write her first cookbook until she was 50 or something like that. I don’t know. How old was Julia child? Julia Child didn’t write her first cookbook until she was 50. It’s like, did she have money? Like money helps a lot, Money helps. when you want to try something new. But hey, if you’re working and like you’re doing some, like I love what I do now. I can’t say that I’m gonna love it in ten years. Who knows, maybe in ten years or less than ten years I’m gonna be like, wow, I hate this and this is draining me and I need to do something else. Hopefully by then I’ll have some savings and enough money that if I did wanna switch up I could do something. Do you know what’s kind of crazy to think about I can’t even imagine ’cause there are certain people who get a job and they love it and they do stay there or maybe they don’t love it but they just grew with the company. Like my dad started at a company and had been there for over 20 years. Yeah. I can’t even imagine being at one job or obviously he had promotions and throughout that. But I can’t imagine that like I honestly can’t imagine not wanting to switch it up maybe a little bit. Yeah. You know what I mean? After but I mean like that’s cool if you really like it. A lot of times it’s not that people really like it, it’s just what they know and they just want that steady Yeah. paycheck and everything. But I feel like nowadays people, it’s almost as if like people were telling me like at my old job, I was there for almost five years. They’re like, wow, it’s a long time. Yeah. And I was like, I guess that’s a long time now, but back in the day, five years is like nothing at one place. Yeah. So I wonder if there’s also something to that is as the generations go on, that we’re always kind of searching for a newness almost. Yeah, no I think definitely I think that it like, I think the norm of finding a job in a field that you went to college for and staying there for 20 years, however long, 40 years, until you retire and just like working up through that company. I think that that’s just, I don’t know, I feel like that is not the ideal when it used to be the ideal. I don’t know. It’s just hard to, there’s no real way to quantify success. I think that. I 100% agree with that. I think that success used to be based on your status and your money. Yes. It used to be based on how high are you in the company that you’re at and how much money do you make with that company? And that was the, for me success is like, I’m happy. Yeah. I’m not, I’m living comfortably enough. I don’t make a an f ton of money but like I have money to pay bills. I enjoy what I do and I’ve got a really cool group of friends and my family’s awesome and like life is good. Like yeah, I could be making a lot more money right now and that would probably make me happier because it would be nice to be not as stressed sometimes. But like, I would call myself successful not from like a monetary standpoint or a title standpoint, but just from a like, I’d live in LA and I have really cool friends and I make enough money to live here and I like what I do. Yeah. And that is success to me. And it’s funny, I was having a conversation with someone the other day and they were like, if you had a billion dollars, what would you do with it? And I was like, that’s just too much money. That’s stressful to have that much money. I’d definitely be giving stuff away. Like if you had, if I had a billion dollars, I genuinely wouldn’t know what to do with it ’cause I don’t know, I just don’t think like that I guess. My goal in life isn’t to make a billion dollars. So I haven’t thought about what I would do with a billion dollars. Yeah. But it’s like that is so much money to me. Like, it’s too much. I genuinely wouldn’t know what to spend it on. I would just be, and I would be bored probably because I like being able to work. I like my job, I like having, you know, a set schedule. I like having a routine. I like the people that I work with. Like, and then he was like, okay, well what if you had a million dollars? And I was like, probably not a lot would change if I’m being honest. I don’t know. I might like, It’s crazy. upgrade my pc. Yeah, it might, it’s so crazy to me because a million dollars is actually like, obviously it is, yes, a lot of money. Yeah. But it’s not like you can’t like no. I can’t like buy a house. Yeah, you can maybe like literally my parents bought their house for so much less than what they’re gonna be able to sell it for. Yeah. Which I mean, good for them. Yeah. And they’ve had the house for a while, but at the same time, it just kind of goes to show you that even making like a six figure salary, like if you’re making a hundred grand, it used to be, oh my god, that’s crazy. And it still is a good salary but in LA and everything, you can’t buy a house with that. You can’t. Yeah. That’s so crazy to me how money has changed. Like the value of money like a billion is so much money. It’s so many millions. 1 million you invest some of that, maybe. Put some in savings. Put some in savings. You maybe give some to some your parents or your family or something if they need it. I mean literally that would just be money that would make, that would make me be able to do the things that I do now. With a little less stress. Without stress. Yeah. That’s literally what it is. ‘Cause I don’t know, my goal has never been like, obviously I wanna make money. Yes. Obviously everybody wants to make money, everybody wants to be successful, whatever. But my goal has never been, I don’t go to my job every day thinking like, all right, I’m one day closer to getting my million dollars. I’m one day closer, Yeah. to getting this amount of money in my bank account. It’s not how you think about it. God, I spend money like an idiot and maybe it’s ’cause I’m freaking bipolar but like I don’t need money to like, I don’t know, it’s not like I’m trying to stockpile money. Like I’m playing Roomscape and Roomscape, I stockpile money, I’m greed as frick. I wanna do everything I can to make money. That’s a video game. I have a couple friends that had been working at a company out here as interns, but they were both like from the east coast and it was like their last couple weeks in LA and we were going out to dinner with them, hanging out and I was just paying for everything. They’re like, why are you paying for everything? I was like, I don’t know ’cause I want you guys to have a good time and like not stress about money. Yeah. I’d rather take you out to like some of my favorite restaurants that might be a little bit more expensive and then pay for it instead of like taking you to a restaurant that isn’t as good. But that we split like, and I was hurting after that. I was spending too much money. I do the same dude, especially, oh my God, if you get a few drinks in me, I’m buying everything for everyone. Oh yeah. I am just like, 100%. I mean like everyone I’ve bought around once for everybody and everyone’s like, no, you don’t have to do that. I was like, no I want to. I want to and I realized, I’m like, oh I’m with like ten people right now and I bought everyone a $15 cocktail. Oh man. Yeah, I’ve done that before where I’m like, I like have it in my head like I’m out with some friends getting food and drinking and I was like, I’m gonna pick up the check tonight. And then I get the check and I’m like, Oh, I really wish I didn’t do that. I’m like dang. I’m like, well not gonna eat for the next three days. No, I’m kidding. I will say that there’s also different types of success that used to be measurable that I don’t think should be measurable anymore. Like back in the day it was like, are you married yet? Do you have kids yet? And that was also like a sign of success. Yeah. And I’m like nowadays, no, that shouldn’t factor into it at all. Like, having other people in your life you’re responsible for is very expensive. Yeah, no, I mean, literally, and maybe this is just a generational thing. Maybe it is, maybe it’s like a difference in the way that people think. And it sounds so corny to say, but literally my metric of success sounds so bad to say but is like, do I want to end my own life right now or not? Oh no. It’s terrible to think that way but it’s true. But I understand, it’s like to say it like that some people would be like, oh man. But I do understand that. It’s like, do I feel like my life is worth living? Yeah. That’s success. I’ve got really amazing friends. I’ve got a cool job that I love doing. I’ve got an amazing family like I’m happy and therefore I feel like I have made success, Success. because I think there’s a lot of people that probably have a ton of money that aren’t happy. That they don’t have a great group of friends, that they don’t have a family that loves them, that they’re alone and sad and they have a ton of money and mountains of it to comfort them but that are not fulfilled. And I know it’s such a, to be clear, money does buy happiness because money buys security. Yes. But there gets to a point when you have sacrificed so much to get a lot of money that you have also sacrificed the things in life that truly make you happy. Yes. Yes, If I could pay off my medical bills right now in this very moment and not have to worry about them, that would be amazing. I would be much happier and much less stressed. If I could pay off my car, whatever. If I could pay off student loans, like I would be a lot happier. But that is very small scale stuff. That’s like if you put a $100,000 in my bank account, I could do that and have $70k left over. Yeah. And like that’s how much money, realistically, I would need to take away some of the bigger stressors in my life financially. But like when you talk about people that have hundreds of millions of dollars, it’s like I don’t get it. Like that wouldn’t do anything for me. The most money I can think about spending right now is on upgrading my gaming setup and like max, I could probably put like $10K into it to really get it to where it’s like the best it can be in that moment. Yeah. I think most people want to like, yes, the fantasy of like being super rich. It would be cool like being able to travel all the time and do all these different things, sounds great. However, I feel like most people just want enough money to live comfortably, have a place that they can live that’s not crappy. Yeah. Be able to, you know, go on some vacations here and there. Yeah. And eat out. Yeah, eat out. Enjoy their hobbies. Enjoy their hobbies and that’s it. Like that’s all, I feel people just wanna live comfortably and that seems to be such a huge ask. Yeah, it really does. That’s just up. I wanna just like go do my job and make enough money to be able to pay bills, hang out with my friends and play video games. Exactly. That’s it. Okay, do your fact. Oh my god, okay. Fun animal fact, the loudest animal in the world is a two centimeter long prawn. The pistol shrimp is capable of snapping its claw shut so rapidly that it creates a bubble which collapses to produce a sonic blast louder than a Concord sonic boom. The shockwave can reach 230 decibels also louder than the sound of a gunshot. The imploding bubble for split seconds also generates temperatures of 4,400 degrees Celsius. Nearly as hot as the sun killing its prey. Wait, what? This is the most metal animal of all time. Hold on, I gotta fact check myself ’cause that was just from a random. That is crazy. So a prawn, something that like you eat, I mean I guess you eat any animal really, but prawn you just think is a tiny little shrimp type thing. It’s two centimeters long. It’s so tiny and it’s that loud? Is there like a recording? The prawn is this long, right? How long is two centimeters? Yeah, that’s about it. 2.5 is an inch so it’s like less than an inch long. And now imagine it’s claw. It’s claw has gotta be so small, but it’s claw snaps shut so fast that it creates this tiny, little bubble that is 218 decibels loud when it pops. Oh my God, it says that it is possibly the most dangerous creature on Earth. Imagine if that thing was even double its size. Could you? That is crazy. That is so crazy. Yeah, if that thing was like the size of like a jumbo shrimp. Oh my God. Just like, Could you imagine if I had that power, if I could just. No. And then just make a gunshot sound and my hand would go to 48. That sounds like a superhero. That is so cool. Wow what a fun fact. What a great way to end the show. Everybody, important announcement. As you may know, there are midterm elections coming up in November, which is a big deal. A lot of people when they think elections, they just think presidential but that is not the case. There are a lot of really important elections happening. So Vote Like a Beast is back. 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