[Music] I don’t care if it’s the snack that smiles back I just want a snack that tastes good what this is madness madness no this is a hot dog it’s a sandwich ketchup is a smoothie yeah I put ice in my cereal so what that makes no sense hot dog is a sandwich a hot dog is a sandwich Welcome to our podcast a hot dog is a sandwich the show we break down the world’s biggest food debates I’m your host Josh here and I’m your host Nicole anayadi and today we are joined by Trevor Everett’s goldfish Aficionado podcast host of Trevor talks too much go check out his podcast uh Trevor you eat more goldfish than anyone I’ve ever known so we wanted to have you here as our sort of expert witness not living once the snack the Marissa Tomei and our uh my cousin Vinnie story thank you thank you yeah I’m very passionate about goldfish so it’s really nice to be here also it’s been a long time since I’ve been here last time you were here we talked about the best cookie right yeah and I felt like I was passionate about that I could be more passionate about this um because I do eat a lot of goldfish well let’s let’s talk about that why don’t you feel like you might be as passionate about goldfish um I don’t know I guess goldfish like you know it’s just a snack food and like I know my love for goldfish and I don’t feel the need to project that onto other people you like the snacks that you enjoy I don’t believe that I’m necessarily absolutely right I don’t believe there’s an absolute truth when it comes to goldfish versus Cheez-Its whereas I do believe there’s an absolute truth when it comes to other things interesting so you’re not like what are you doing here about you gotta you gotta take your claim man I’m passionate I love goldfish and I personally think that they’re better than Cheez-Its but I want to be inclusive to everyone you’re not an evangelist you’re not a proselytizer yeah you’re like uh you’re a goldfish unitarianist is that what they’re called I would I wouldn’t consider myself more of like a kind of a monk like I exist in the realm that I eat goldfish and I Ponder life while eating goldfish and I enjoy them but I understand that everybody experiences snack foods in a different way I think wait hold on hold on hold on this is getting into a deep philosophical conversation I like when we come into these conversations and it’s it’s balls to the wall where we’re staying in facts we’re getting emotional we’re getting all right speaking in weird Latin phrases de Gustavus known as disputandam right there is no accounting for taste but I believe there is I don’t Trevor I don’t want to live in this world of cheese snack relativism frankly I think it’s BS because I believe one product can scientifically be considered better than another and I believe that I believe I believe I believe no it’s not science just the fact that Cheez-Its have if you are in this for a cheese cracker experience right goldfish you understand are marketed as a cheese flavored cracker they have certainly they have other varieties oh life of Trevor I’ve had cinnamon graham cracker ones the cinnamon the frosting yeah a little cupcake can I go back for a second because Josh said I believe that Cheez-Its can be scientifically proven to be better than goldfish and then Josh said it’s not about science well okay I just meant that like Jesus have a much more pronounced toasted cheddar flavor yeah and if you are being marketed as a cheese chip I think that you are legally and morally bound to deliver on that promise and that is a promise that goldfish they get you in with the smile right it’s like a server it’s like a server they hooked you yeah I want to be happy Nicole you think that I wouldn’t choose pure happiness if I was capable of it but I’m not you know I need a little bit of conflict in my life but they hook you into the smile they hook you into that false promise and then they do not deliver on cheese flavor I want the agnostic squares of Cheez-Its to blast me in the face with cheese flavor and they do every time no I don’t I don’t necessarily agree that the cheese flavor is the most important part I agree that like Cheez-Its do have a more cheesy flavor but I honestly don’t like it if I wanted cheese flavor I’d eat cheese I like goldfish because they’re softer they’re flakier they’re more satisfying thing to eat than cheese it’s cheesy alert you don’t believe so goldfish are not more satisfying than Cheez-Its okay so imagine this it’s a school lunch box we’re all at school together we all go to I don’t know Rhett and Link Middle School okay oh God I hope that doesn’t happen I hope we find better Heroes I love Rhett and Link but like I don’t know let’s just say let’s just say we all go to uh Lincoln Middle School okay and we’re all you know at the lunch table and we and one of us brings out a bag of goldfish and one of us brings out a bag of Cheez-Its I’m going for the Cheez-Its every single time not to say that the shape of the Goldfish isn’t inviting not to say that it doesn’t feed a certain part of my brain that is nostalgic and you know connected to my childhood but Cheez-Its taste better and they are a better eating experience and I think that’s objective I think it’s objective that they tastes more and taste better no they taste more cheesy goldfish are saltier yes and I like that but I like it because goldfish are more chip adjacent no hold on Nicole’s about to strike you I don’t know if you saw the anger in her eyes she was about to strike you yeah I turned into a python python flavor wise strangle cobras I feel like cobras strike um yeah right pythons are they constrictors are they yeah strike I do own a snake yes yes um they still strike but the way that they kill their prey is by striking and then wrapping them up that’s what makes them a constrictor do they strike with poison or the strike is just to immobilize and then they rap um the strike is to it’s it’s crazy actually if you watch I do this like every week because I feed my snake but he he like strikes it gets it in his mouth and then immediately like it happens so fast but he strikes the mouse and then immediately like curls around it wraps it up so I think it’s like just to get on top of its prey and then wrap it and suffocate it until it dies yeah um but they do that even when you’re not feeding them live because I feed mine like pre-killed mice and they still will wrap it up for like a well how do you kill the mouse I don’t kill the mouse he does not kill them what do you mean how does it get dead someone else kills it you Millennials you kids you Millennials are paying other people to kill your mice for you yeah anybody Ritz Bits filled with cheese how do you feel about those cheese crackers wait so a snake it’s like an MMA fighter where it’s like you open them up with a jab to them take another okay Nicole what about the Keebler cheese and peanut butter cups well it’s way off base now no no we’re not we’re not we’re not these are ones no no what are you talking about we’re talking about something similar these are cheese crackers because Trevor Trevor said that goldfish you’re not in for the cheesy flavor he’s not in it for the cheese experience so now I feel like if we’re talking Cheez-Its versus Goldfish and you’re not analyzing on a cheese level on a cheese factory on the cheese Spectrum then we can go outside of that cheese spectrum and we’re getting into club crackers club crackers there’s the single greatest cracker snack of all time yeah Trevor would you say that you are into goldfish for a cracker snack um yeah I’d say so how do you opened yourself up to other crackers yeah I like other crackers goldfish I don’t know I mean this is why I started off so agnostic in this conversation saying that I believe that I like goldfish better but I believe everyone is open to enjoy their own snacks because I know that if you like cheese it’s more as a goldfish fan I’m not going to be able to convince you because you’re right they taste more like cheese and they are more like Cracker but like I I can’t I can’t explain it to you that I just enjoy goldfish more I I want to reach deep into the recesses of your mind because one on your own podcast Trevor talks too much listen to it download it uh you know you you open up a lot you talk a lot about mental health yeah you know which is really fantastic also we had a psychologist leave us a voicemail that was like Josh Nicole we love how much you talk about therapy and like mental health and oh yeah I was like gosh dang I’ve never been to therapy I don’t know what she thought she heard me say I’ve been trying to just make an appointment it’s just hard it is hard so did it make an appointment I need a therapist to because one of my things I need to figure out why I’m so bad at simple tasks like I need like my my heart car registration six months over I’ve been to the dentist in two years and like I’ll try and make an appointment even getting a haircut stuff for me uh and so I need to talk to a therapist about why it’s so hard for me to book a therapy appointment yeah but it’s a then anyways what I’m saying is I wonder like Freudian reached deep into your mind okay when you you at work every single day I see you with a bag of cheap what are they called gold every single day at work I see you with a bag of goldfish when you walk over to the Bountiful snack selection at mythical energy and they have increased it to have healthier options recently which is y’all those little fruit leather things they have Milanos now and they only got Milanos but why what is it about the goldfish that speaks to you uh I don’t know I’ve loved them forever maybe it’s something that like there’s a bit of childhood Nostalgia to it because yeah ever since I was a kid um I love goldfish I think that like I I don’t like Cheez-Its that much and I believe that they taste cheesier but I think that’s why I don’t like them as much like I said earlier when I’m biting into a Cheesy I’m getting like assaulted by cheese flavor and if I wanted to eat cheese like pure cheese flavor I would just eat cheese and so when you get goldfish one they’re flakier and they’re lighter cheeses are a lot crunchier um you can bite them in half so that you have the two halves of the fish which I like and they swim um yeah but I don’t know I mean they’re a little bit saltier I just I just like them more dude I don’t know what to tell you no it can’t be that simple it can’t just be different people have different tastes and I enjoy this snack more than another okay okay so Nicole and I have talked about this a lot yeah what we enjoy intensity of experience yeah when it comes to food right for sure especially I mean also when life just wanna you just travel to Turkey and went to Oktoberfest you want to have these big intense experiences and I’m the same way like I would rather live on a on a sine curve okay happiness and unhappiness intensity correct you know what I mean yes then live in stasis yeah do you seek out intensity when it comes to food uh like are you into like oh I want to eat the hottest thing I want to go find this obscure dish and this obscure region I want to drive 60 miles out to get it or do you value comfort and food uh I would say I I like to experience new things and extreme things but not in my home really interesting because when I’m at home like one I rarely cook you guys know this I like can’t cook at home there’s just something in my brain that it doesn’t work so I literally eat like ham and cheese sandwiches when I’m at home and a bunch of goldfish and I don’t know when I’m at home snacking maybe there’s like I know that like based on your moods and your and your like mental health like it’ll make you crave different foods but sometimes I just want to eat like a whole bowl of goldfish and just keep going back and it’s an easy snack and it also uh isn’t too dirty on the fingers that’s another thing that’s like really big for me part of your agriculture yeah dust you can’t not much dust not much grease that’s a velvet Christian gamer this helps your gaming and yourself yes my gaming and my celibacy no because genuinely when I eat chips or when I go to the store for snack foods like if I’m looking for something to snack on I don’t want it to be like that’s why I almost never buy Cheetos at the store I love Cheetos but I never buy them because the transition from eating Cheetos to then having to put my fingers on my keyboard to play video games I gotta go do a whole hand walk wow goldfish it’s just like a brush of the salt off the pants and I’m gonna go you really thought this thing wait I I okay as somebody who now considers himself gamer adjacent because one Julia has been out of town and two I’ve really started gunning hard on Rocket league and I I suck and I keep dropping ranks but I’ve been playing a lot especially this weekend and it literally was the thing I was like cooking a bunch all I did was hold myself up this weekend and I just took all the leftovers from mythical Kitchen last week yeah and I just made some really dank Thai Chili roasted tomatillo salsa but I would like cook in between rounds and then I literally would try and wash my hands and if they were wet at all I felt like I just wasn’t quick on the joystick yeah until I get this 100 I’m sorry I just blanked out what did you guys thought about Nicole we’re gonna need you to go home pick up a very unhealthy gaming habit and then come back uh so that you can really engage with this part of the conversation because it’s very important if I can’t play rocket League I get anxiety I’m okay foreign ERS midterm elections are coming up on November 8th and a lot of you across the US will be voting on some pretty crucial spots in Congress and special elections so vote like a beast is here to help go check out vote likeabeast.com to check your voting status register if you need to and stay informed for the midterm elections vote like a beast.com also has stickers for sale with a hundred percent of our profits going directly to our partners at vote.org be your mythical best by supporting a great non-profit that helps all Americans exercise their right to vote [Music] so what what is it you’ve talked about the Bold cheese flavor yeah so what else is it about Cheez-Its that makes you love them so much I like the shape a lot Square I like the size how is square a more fun shape than fish shouldn’t be fun no no their form should follow function we are the Bauhaus School of cheese crackers I like how when I push up a Cheez-It to the roof of my mouth it splits in two when a cheese whenever a goldfish would just dissolve um the the top would pulverize because it’s a flakier it is a flakier cracker I’ll give it that yeah that’s not necessarily that’s not what I want it’s so flaky and light that it instantly disintegrates I agree but it’s not flaky and light I agree no I’ll tell you why sure I’ll tell you why I love Cheez-It so much I think for me I have these weird like culinary aha moments as a child yeah like weird things like tasting um this is stupid like it’s school lunch right all the crap that we all probably grew up on at school lunch if we ate it from the cafeteria it’s all the same pre-processed like nuggets chicken sandwich we just had Hot Pockets every single day Pizza uh some really crappy burgers that like are from the seven or you know the 7-Eleven prepackaged Burgers yeah but like one day they had like baked chicken and I have like never seen a full piece of bone-in like baked chicken I was like 11 years old and I was like this is the height of luxury like that was incredible this is cookery the six at home we were just eating bone and you say yeah hi dude you just get a whole chicken thigh with your like crappy school that’s crazy that they gave bone and chicken to kids like that yeah it was you know and it was still but it was one of those weird culinary aha moments of looking back at me like Game Changer not all food is just processed sometimes it’s a it’s a muscle for an animal it’s okay that tastes better but Cheez-Its going from eating like it wasn’t goldfish but it was Cheese Nips but going from eating a cheese nip to then a cheese it yeah and I was like holy smokes the cheese flavor explodes out of this cracker I I was like this is now the dichotomy of like fine and good yeah I want to spend the rest of my life chasing that dichotomy of how do I take this thing that’s fine and then turn it to good how do I take the cheese nip and turn it into the Cheez-It okay and to me that was like literally an aha moment in in cooking and my culinary development cute what do you think that says about my relationship to my mother um do you resent her I already know about your relationship to your mother do you want to get into it no no no no not necessarily okay not right now I think she ashed a cigarette nor Rice-A-Roni I know you wouldn’t tell me that it really pisses me off yeah it’s like I have an ashtray next to the kitchen that’s what I do just smoke while cooking that’s crazy hell yeah dude is this swinging early 2000s that’s the real native experience are you an Italian man in the early 2000s they didn’t know the science Nicole did you not see the bear oh you go outside like everyone else smoke in front of the food that’s rude to the food I don’t know talking to when we’re under that burrata Factory and the guy was like everybody says that the broader these taste these days taste different that’s because back when I started working the barata factory in like 1962 coming you know fresh out of fascist Italy World War II people were smoking unfiltered cigarettes and they would literally go and blow into the mozzarella to create the burrata so it all tastes like cigarettes and people like that flavor a little tobacco goes a long way when it comes to like Flavor infusion somewhere in the the put uh straight tobacco leaves in uh chocolate sick and I think at least two people got poisoned at work yeah you can’t turns out eating because we tried to Once make a cigar flavored slushie oh yeah you told me about this and then we started Googling like wait this is probably harmful right because in my mind I was like well the amount of nicotine if people are ripping literally you can chain smoke four packs of cigarettes in a day right and you can like pack a lip yeah yeah but like apparently If You full on ingest tobacco it’s yeah the nicotine that you get from ingesting it like that is crazy and lips at least it’s really small and people generally aren’t just like swallowing it and all that but like nicotine poisoning was a really brutal way to like murder French politicians in the 1800s but yeah it just like boils you from the inside so um yeah just straight eating tobacco don’t do it don’t do it or just don’t smoke it’s not cool but I’m thinking if like the they were making burrata today like that by hand the real Italian way and they’re ripping Jewels you can have so many flavors mango Coco burrata yeah all the ones all the flavors that appeal to kids you know it’s like sour candy yeah yeah that’s the new generation we’re raising we’re raising a generation of kids that vape and are gonna be in the variety of factors ripping Vapes into burrata doubtful doubtful uh I can’t wait for that what yo y’all ever mess with like the Exotic Cheez-Its the Exotic yeah the white the white well white isn’t necessarily exotic but the white the white the cheddar uh Cheez-Its delicious that’s gen one the flavor blasted they’re good but I love white cheddar uh Cheez-Its I think they’re better than the regular ones I so I remember the Exotic Cheez-Its from day one being white cheddar and then the Tabasco hot and spicy oh that smells like armpits smells like armpit because listen Tabasco is the best hot sauce they had back in 1994 or whatever when those came out and now we’re past that and so like for instance the Tapatio Doritos they need to start getting that in on the Jesus game or like the Serato cheeses do they make sure I think they should Sriracha Flavor now no but they should I don’t think so but they should but I think the new generation of cheeses I think they’re doing incredible work over there in the Cheez-It Factory they have one you ever get that extra toasted cheese and you’re like yeah now they have the boxes of only extra toasted Cheez-Its yeah those are really good I don’t know why I’m doing the Obama finger motion you know what they also have is the uh the Cheez-Its that they played uh celebrities music to what are you talking about QR code there’s like a there’s the celebrity there’s like the famous musician Cheez-Its where they I think when the cheese before it becomes Cheez-It they just have the wheel of cheese and they play the music at the cheese what do you do I swear to God this is a viral marketing campaign so you mean to tell me like how you put like like headphones on a baby’s stomach yeah like you put Beethoven on for that they were doing that to the cheese but with like little bit it was like wrappers yeah cardi B on a baby’s stomach you know I don’t cook I don’t clean but let me tell you I got this ring um that’s weird why would they put music on for cheese cheese is getting into the advertising game which I love and that appeals for Trevor’s generation Trevor do you feel that she’s it it’s because like because all of you yeah we talk about the Equus no subs commercial all the time and like Skittles yeah with their they were like eating the Skittles pox off of people yeah she’s just now doing that with her like our cheese needs to mature and it’s like a giant cheese wheel and like yeah therapists bench or something anthropomorphic cheese wheels but in anthropomorphic but incredibly immature cheese wheel yeah um and it’s doing silly things yeah she’s at Pandora yeah Cheez-Its new crackers use cheese age to hip-hop music does this sway you as a youth who’s on goldfish no no this does this deter you in fact do you see that and you get mad I here’s the thing I would never buy Cheez-Its anyway and this doesn’t make me want to buy them anymore yeah because it seems pretty dumb I what can you think it’s like a good like anytime say right Mountain Dew has become synonymous with gamer ship right I know they’ve done a lot of Halo collabs yeah like can you think of like a really good media and snack food collab like this that’s like actually gone like oh I’m gonna buy this product now um I mean it’s hard I feel like the media in in food collabs that work really well or when you get like the musicians and celebrities that get like their own meals at fast food places change the game like change the game like I I would never like intention I always go to McDonald’s when I’m like it’s oh it’s easy it’s on the way I’m usually on a road trip I’m like I just want something fast and I need that large Diet Coke that tastes so much better for some reason but I actually went out of my way to go to a McDonald’s when the Travis Scott meal dropped like guys Travis Scott it was like I gotta get the freaking I gotta get the Travis Scott burger and so it’s like that kind of stuff like it actually got me to a McDonald’s that’s insane um I would not buy a Travis Scott Cheez-It though would you buy the Cocoa Puffs box I’m sorry Reese’s Puffs box you know the ones that have like the cool thing on it no you know maybe I’m just like a very like uh like a comfort person but like I don’t get a lot of like I don’t usually go out of my way to try new snack foods like I don’t even like Flavor blasted goldfish whoa I too spicy for you no they can’t handle it they taste good but it goes back to the gamer thing too much stuff on the fingers I swear to God that’s a real thing so it’s all gaming all the time for you I mean genuinely when I’m at home I’m usually sitting at my desk whether or not I’m gaming I’m usually doing something at my computer and so it is a big deal that my my hands are clean I like having Clean Hands I have a good idea have you ever thought about putting the Goldfish inside your sandwich and smooshing it down um I have done that before it’s pretty good yeah why don’t you just do that so that way you can put whatever you want in the sandwich your fingers are clean and you can enjoy new flavors insane as origins in gamer culture that’s right the Earl of Sandwich John Montague he was a gamer that’s right he was a gambler this game was poker uh but he was gaming like you yeah he wanted a way to keep his hands clean yeah like you and he put everything between bread yeah we’ve also talked about how that myth is absolutely not true but for the sake of this It’s gotta be true enough It’s gotta be true it’s got to be true come on why would they make that up that’s so silly no one’s that stupid you ever get like chicken feet at like a Korean Dive Bar oh no not really I don’t wait really neither of you I do love chicken feet but I don’t like actively like no oh maybe I’m not gonna lie no no what if you’re like real like rip spit at the end of a night though and it’s like three in the morning you really want some chicken feet I never have that craving like if if someone’s like hey my mom made chicken feet do you want some I’ll be like of course but like I don’t go out and like actively eat chicken food you’ve got you’ve gotten like sweaty like dancing like I’m gonna go to a taco truck you’re not getting chicken feet I’m trying to get up okay because there’s a point so if any of you really like to party like I like to party they’ve been eating chicken feet at three in the morning and you know that when you go to these Korean dive bars they bring them with like pairs of gloves for everybody so you get the pairs of gloves and then you’re eating chicken feet Trevor’s needs gamer or snack gloves I do that I really I literally have done that I have a box of like gloves of like disposable gloves in my home that if I have a particular like I love Cool Ranch Doritos but I can’t eat crunch Drews I play video games and I’ll do it with hot Cheetos sometimes too where I’ll literally just have a glove and I’ll like use that as my gloved hand and I’ll eat some snacks and then like once I’m ready to go I just take off the glove you should use chopsticks put the glove somewhere not near your computer people are gonna get the wrong idea oh my God it goes in the trash can after okay and the gloves are in the kitchen because like in the kitchen I’ll say one there’s no good for like a guy who’s especially you know before he has like a nice big hat there’s no good place for a guy to keep his lotion you know there’s no place that doesn’t nobody it looks incriminating no matter what I think that is normal we should know is lotion in the bathroom is not weird because no I I’ve taken a selfie in the bathroom here and people like nice Jergens you know more like well it’s because you use Jergens what do you mean I use Jergens and lubriderms stuff I use nice lotion that’s because there’s connotations with that kind of lotion oh I now gotta pay a premium you know like coconut bites you know you freeze this is a tax against men but I need it doesn’t look incriminating if you just have like a nice yeah just a nice lotion it’s because you have a bottle of extra value it’s like three dollars for like two gallons yeah you’re a YouTube Star buy nicer lotion I like to spend my money on chicken feet late at night it’s like a 64 ounce bottle of lotion with yeah of course because then I don’t want to overturn it to get my lotion for whatever personal lotion whatever personal lotion needs I have freak is I am totally I am embarrassed I am embarrassed well there’s no shot so Trevor how do you feel about Cheez-Its and goldfish now that we’ve had this conversation again I am very I am not an absolutist when it comes to this kind of snack because I understand that people like Cheez-Its more and I believe that they’re right to feel that way I think that there are a lot of upsides to Cheez-Its but I personally enjoy goldfish more and I will always enjoy Goldfish do you think this conversation has allowed you to maybe reach for the Cheez-Its set of the Goldfish maybe once in a while I do have Cheez-Its once in a while I will eat cheese why is he lying to us your plants for higher okay I can see I can see it Trevor I’m not the bad guy here I can see both sides like I think we kind of got to the point of it earlier before we start talking about Jergens that I think people who like goldfish are into snacks for Comfort I think people like Cheez-Its are into snacks for intensity yeah and I don’t think it’s a perfect binary of course the cheese cracker binary does not exist it’s all a social construct construct um but uh but no I mean that’s that’s where I’m coming from on my personal cheese of love what Trevor though has influenced me to do is uh I’m gonna start reaching for other snack crackers and I enjoy um and I’m talking about the greatest snack cracker to ever exists Club not club crackers because I forgot it’s flavored it has one flavoring chemical on it but the name is not represented in the title what we’re talking about garden salsa no oh no how close am I okay okay so it’s a cracker and it’s an old school brand that does not get primary stores no old school old chicken in a Biscuit let’s go chicken in a Biscuit chicken baskets are so good it is onion powder and MSG and that’s it baby dude I can’t get chicken in a Biscuit because I will eat an entire box I’m already slobbering just open a box and you have to eat all of them you cannot stop no you have to commit once you clean the Box you have to know that you’re gonna eat every single cracker because they’re so good I am oozing from the mouth right now and I need to get some of these inside me ASAP [Music] foreign [Music] Trevor you’ve heard what you and I have to say now it’s time to find out what other wacky ideas are rattling out there in the universe it’s time for a segment we call [Music] speak a lot on the podcast so screw that sorry that was me that time should I do one too yeah yeah that was more from the heart gutteral Moon all right let’s get it we got some voicemails today let’s cue them up hey Josh hey Nicole uh thank you for the podcast you guys are hilarious but you haven’t talked about the most important food in today’s society you’ve talked so much about Cheetos every type of Cheeto out there but you haven’t talked about simply white cheddar Cheeto puffs they are the perfect blend of cheddar Puffs the Cheeto puffs with the crunchy you get there a little bit denser than the Puffs but the little bit airier than the crunchy perfect Cheeto you guys haven’t talked about it in any episode I’ve listened to every single one respect simply white cheddar Cheeto puffs thank you I got a lot to say about simply white cheddar Cheeto puffs and I’ll and I’ll tell them what one I will say I have been generally impressed by the Frito-Lay simply line they have the simply Doritos they’ve paired down the ingredients list I’m not somebody who particularly cares about that there there are people out there who do but compared to like the baked line that came out like 15 years prior these are incredible they’re still fried they are still full of flavor however I think if you took them out of the Frito-Lay packaging if you took these simply white cheddar Cheeto puffs out of the Frito-Lay packaging and you put it in like a Trader Joe’s packaging because this stuff already exists right yeah they have these like healthy adjacent snack foods that are meant to emulate the Frito-Lay stuff at Big Box white label real big box white label grocery stores like Trader Joe’s um nobody would care about them and they wouldn’t be good you wouldn’t think they’re good if they were just in a Trader Joe’s package that is what I believe my heart of hearts I think you are buying off the Cheeto label and then you’re getting I don’t want to say slightly Hood win because it’s a good product I agree but it is just as good as anything that would exist at Trader Joe’s Trader Joe’s doesn’t have this exact product but that was my read when I had that if you tasted this blind in a bowl next to other Cheeto products I don’t think you’d love it as much but the fact that it is in that brand which is a powerful thing branding is powerful of course yeah I don’t think people care that much hmm I think it’s interesting that you say that it’s in a Trader Joe’s bag no one would buy it because I would buy it more oh no they would buy it but I don’t think he would have the same strong emotional reaction to it and call it the most important food in today’s society maybe that’s it I do and I never use hyperbole I have not I have literally never used hyperbole once in my entire life is that you doing it I am the least hyper police person yeah I love how you’ve cultivated this very absolutist audience also because this guy just said that simply white cheddar Cheetos Puffs are the most important food in today’s society that is a bold claim wait hold on what is the most important food in today’s society corn oh yeah I’d say either corn or commodity soy yeah it’s one it’s one of the two on the global scale um Chicken Chicken’s getting up there chicken chicken is well no because I mean corn and soy are used corn well its importance is is bolstered by a government subsidy that right yeah ethanol never gonna work as a sustainable fuel source so yeah it’s between corn soy and white simply white cheddar rice is up there it’s you know it’s a cereal grain but I think soy and corn have more industrial properties to them all right well we solved it well uh let’s go to the next voicemail so not many people say it but controversially um white American cheese taste 10 times better than yellow American cheese yes you can fight me on this yes oh yes yes you sicko you’re correct oh no no no it does it does flat out Trevor that’s hard to say I I believe that he is right insofar as we are excluding craft singles as their own as it’s being in itself because they make they make white they make white craft American singles that are flavor quote unquote swiss but they’re not they’re just light they’re not yellow and they’re better because they’re white they’re not not like that that sounded no I’m not aware white American is worse than the orange American no way nasty cheesesteaks this is where I think this is where it comes from for me because white American is the best cheese for Philly cheesesteak and also growing up I used to think that like white cheese was fancier than yellow cheese because you’d get like a white cheddar mac and cheese off the shelf it’s like eight cents more you’d be like oh boy we are in fancy town today nope but that could be that’s my own personal bias in America I’m eating American cheese and it has to be yellow the yellow equals cheese the white equals what I don’t know this is there I think that you can you can have white American be better like for something like cheesesteaks like if that’s the best use for seafood that’s fine but it doesn’t mean that it’s like better than yellow American all the time start chanting White Josh start chanting white I don’t want to know peel it’s gonna be used out of context and it’s gonna be weird they’re gonna play it like a rally I don’t like that okay but can we agree that craft single is is the blueprint for American cheese and is the best American cheese and yellow craft singles and that white craft singles suck way more than yellow craft singles I’m not gonna go that far but I will stop singles are the best craft singles are better than Deli sliced American first yeah [Music] the biggest cheese that the world has ever seen sorry I’m not a freaking rich man Josh or just go to the go to the Rouse and get the Boar’s Head cheese okay it’s looking really expensive I do love Boar’s Head like sliced deli meats hundo P but the cheese and borset is fancy that’s an argument that’s the thing that I’ll go to my grave knowing and feeling that Boar’s Head it’s so good yeah yeah good yeah it is uh craft Deluxe that’s a good no problem you’re being so impression trying to meet you where you’re at Nicole don’t beat me halfway this is not a black ice cream song you don’t you do not need to meet me halfway don’t get the reference okay thoughts or die thank you Jamie yeah Jamie’s here also which is weirdo I’m so used to talking to Jamie’s on vacation Maggie’s normally just like Googling the dirtiest stuff we talk about I mean we Googled some dirty stuff too but it’s on the episode yeah no sorry about that yeah hi guys this is Lauren from Ottawa Canada wow I have a take for you um how about using a piece of deli meat as a tortilla turkey my favorite with the Cucumber sliced up and some hot mustard some hot and sweet mustard it’s probably the best snack uh go-to snack for me and it’s healthy like what uh what more do you want tell you what brilliant what do you mean this is great I love you I when they said they were from Canada I was worried that one we wouldn’t speak the same language uh two we just wouldn’t have anything in common you know what I mean and here she is you know Reaching Across the eye like I tried to do earlier showing that we’re all the same we all just want to stuff our faces with deli meats and and various condiments if you could see like 90 of the food that Josh eats in the kitchen it is him taking a package of deli meat putting various sauces on a plate and justlooping up the sausages with the deli meat yeah and or just like just making a slop a bull he does he wraps stuff up and deli me and just puts it in his mouth and that’s his like go-to snack um and I agree it’s good it’s really nice I mean they’ve got the what’s it called when you wrap the salon the cheese and the salami it’s a pinwheel yeah yeah so they like sell those and that’s like a fancy person food um so why can’t we just do it with the Hillshire Farms ham that’s what I’m saying but when I do it anyways crap yeah I’d say I don’t use it like tortilla though because I’m not constructing I mean one most tortillas eaten are you know not in Taco form it’s like you eat a tortilla with your meal you’re dipping it into stuff yeah um I’d call it like a roti and sabji right I’m going I’m going to the Indian Canada foods here because Roti but for me it’s just a piece of deli meat and I’m going into my slop which you know could be considered a sub G like a main course a curry a vegetable dish you know a doll or something like that and um mine’s mostly ground turkey and Jarred salsa but then I’m scooping that up yeah you know and uh yeah it’s just a really delightful meal and also I do it all the time I challenge the term healthy I challenge from helping this because it’s it’s our interpretation of healthy in like carb phobic America because that’s where we’re at right now with all the keto and the Atkins and yeah South Beach and all that stuff but it was time to like warm up a piece of bread you know it’s not a matter of being carb phobic or Atkins diet or whatever it’s just a Time Saver it’s you just take the cold cut and you just wrap a pickle and some cheese in it and you call it a day I don’t have time to warm up a tortilla I don’t have time to put on my toaster oven what the no and I need to get 250 grams of protein a day or I’m worried that I hate myself yeah you know I think that that Health can be subjective sometimes because like healthy for me is just getting food in my body because I have terrible eating habits so if I can eat like whether it’s deli meat whatever like it’s healthy for me to just have calories in my body so I have energy to do stuff and I would say that yeah insofar as you just putting deli meat and a pickle in your mouth like yeah it’s healthy you’re eating something that isn’t gonna kill you um so it’s healthy I will say the World Health Organization came out with a pretty damning report about deli meats only red meat only red meat processed red meats uh colon cancer increases it’s something like a thousand percent it was actually upsetting and I was like well I’m in trouble I’m not going to change my life you know I’m too far gone at this point yeah well well that about wraps up the voicemail section I suppose all right first up we got at p1d gun if you wrap a Crunch bar and gummy bears in a d thawed room temp ego it’s the perfect monstrosity I think they mean a thought room temp ago I believe they mixed up defrosted it’s like how flammable and inflammable I mean the same thing your thoughts you sound like an NPR guy right now I do not sound like an NPR host right now latest coming out of Kiev we see oh my gosh um this sounds like a fantasy from like uh after Halloween and after Halloween fantasy like I’m just in my little pail getting my snacks did you see a Crunch bar yeah so this is a Crunch bar gummy bears wrapped in a thawed but not toasted ego yeah sounds like a little kid a gummy bear no you lost me a gummy bear Crunch bar yeah you can put that in Eggo whatever it’s dessert it’s delicious you don’t care about the gummy bears why are you mixing the Gummy Bears and the chocolate that’s weird yeah to me I love chocolate chocolate should be the hardest texture in this dish and this is a dish yeah dish the chocolate needs to be the meat yeah of this little Eggo Taco you got going on and so I’d say if you still want the acid and the sweetness and the fruit flavor of the gummy bear you take a jelly so you take a Crunch bar and some jelly you wrap that in a thawed egg oh you don’t need to warm it up or toast it I can have that Crunch bar not melted that’s a nice dish but I think the gummy bear it’s like people who put Gummy Bears in their Yogurt Land it doesn’t make sense let me tell you let me tell you I’m a chocolate covered gummy bear girl so I understand this and I accept it and I’m not here to change you p1d gun I’m here to embrace you unless you want to be changed no there’s anything you personally want to work on they said perfect monstrosity so and you’re a perfect monstrous Beautiful Disaster all right is that a tool uh that is 311. uh any song that I don’t know who’s buying I know what drugs oh boy okay uh Violet chef says kettle cooked chips dipped in barbecue sauce is a perfectly acceptable replacement to barbecue potato chips huh yeah I don’t say you ah yeah I I love barbecue sauce I’m a big Sweet Baby Ray’s guy I’m acceptable though I think I think it is perfectly acceptable and I think you’re actually possibly I mean this might be a bold claim but you might be elevating it by adding in a dip into the chip like his barbecue it’s a one-dimensional thing a barbecue chip is once you take a regular chip dip it in barbecue sauce that’s a two-dimensional snack right there interesting for you to think though once people started dipping chips into ranch dressing and calling that an appropriate chip dip they opened up the floodgates that was the Pandora’s Box Nicole we cannot what we already know and so I’m putting honey musty out there I’m putting French dressing I’m dipping everything and everything and I don’t care who knows is Nicole ordering lunch during podcasts dude thank you it’s huge uh I would not do this I don’t think I don’t think they’re substitute Goods I don’t I don’t Frick with this opinion this this is a good one at Wallace brandond D the first four to five Arby’s curly fries are s tier level fast food but they quickly dropped to D tier afterwards okay I have a question good I’m not a gamer but I do see a lot of s-tier but is it s tier a t or B tier C D and F right and then is there X sometimes uh no you generally with tears and this is and this is done typically with video game characters right yeah there’s a whole webs website called uh teermaker.com or something and it’s become a big thing for streamers to like create tier lists of stuff and they’ll do it with literally anything yeah I saw Matt Stoney do it with chicken sandwiches yeah yeah they can do it with anything um makes sense to me all right I forgot what we were talking about well I I don’t understand but I’m gonna do what I do with anything I don’t understand and just shut it out of my mind about the tears oh I got the Arby fries and I get out of here yeah the first four to five are great I just had a question and then Noah doing my own podcast dude I’ve had Trevor explain to me the tears for so long but I can never remember what the letters mean s means best s is the best team what does it stand for is it an acronym no super I don’t know in grade school like some teachers would like grade you on like a on like a tier base they’d be like oh you got like an S yeah it was like called a b c yeah I know but like s was sometimes used in place of like a letter never never that nice that like on assignment sometimes yeah like you got an s on this it means satisfactory it was like in college you could take a class pass fail yeah you did that a lot I went over four I went over four on passing really that’s so sad um so smart I can’t see where he went wrong cold fries are just bad um if they’re still hot and steamed they’re still good but yeah there’s a diminishing return for every french fry you eat yeah once a fast food you get a container that’s a sort of tall container you get those first few fries on the top that aren’t being steamed by the fries above them they have nothing above them so they stay crispy and then you get down to the fries at the bottom and they become soggy because of the Steam and grease that is kind of just turn them into a big clumpy mess so I get that yeah yeah yeah well can we just get Arby’s for lunch I’m ordering give me 50. you guys do they still have the big Montana sandwich what does anybody remember the Arby’s it was like it was an Arby’s roast beef but they’re like and now more beef big Montana um and that was it anyways on that note thank you so much for listening to our podcast if you want to hear more from us here in the magical kitchen we got new episodes for you every Wednesday and thank you so much Trevor for being on the Pod uh tell the people where to find you how to find you plug away oh thank you for having me I mean I got my own podcaster talks too much me and me and Jamie we do fun stuff over there sometimes um yeah and then I’m also on mythical kitchen where you’ve seen me with Joshua Nicole a plenty okay um so yeah you did check that out it’s pretty cool we make cool food yeah we kind of we like walked over well we didn’t walk over here together because I I want to find you two and I couldn’t find it the point is yeah we’re around each other all the time and also uh yeah really go check out Trevor talks too much it’s a great pop uh and you’re a great podcast host man this is I think homies need to tell each 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