[Music] Nicole do you know I haven’t used a fork since November of 2018. that’s not true I literally saw you use a fork yesterday that’s beside the point Forks are still trash this is a hot dog is a sandwich ketchup is a smoothie yeah I put ice in my cereal so what that makes no sense hot dog is a sandwich a hot dog is a sandwich Welcome to our podcast a hot dog is a sandwich the show we break down the world’s biggest food debates I’m your host Josh air and I’m your host Nicole inaiti and Nicole today’s episode uh we had initially called it Forks versus spoons yes I I’m going to use that title and this has been in our like potential idea list for what since we started the podcast for about two and a half years yeah yeah always at the bottom of the Pod and we haven’t ever done it because we thought this is stupid it is stupid definitely but it’s time to do it nobody listen to it not only is it time to do it I feel like it’s the right time to do it because I’ve I’ve finally gone clear oh now yeah you ever have those moments of clarity where you’re like not much is now I have made a decision and it’s going to dictate the rest of my life I don’t I don’t operate like that actually well I do and the decision that I’ve made Nicole is that when I have children yeah I will not raise them with forks in the house you’re lying I’m gonna start I’m going to start getting all the forks out of my house right now I’m gonna start throwing one in the trash can every time I do the dishes a forkless home a forklift home because his forkless house does not make a home no but for real I I’ve okay so Julia’s out of town right and I’ve been cooking for myself and all that um yesterday in the sink I had eight dirty spoons not a single dirty Fork and it just re I just realized that like my actual usage Forks never come into play ever I never use them I I if they come with my sweet green salad Nicole I will begrudgingly eat it however there’s nothing a fork can do that makes my life any better and and and further I feel that Forks are a class structure meant to keep working people down and conform to societal standards uh Forks are classes what what I arrest Mike what do you mean Forks are classes they just have prongs and you stab your food with it why it’s not it’s not that deep stop trying to make your clothes back in time stop politicizing utensils if you go back in history Nicole I think no but for real like uh the invention of forks is a relatively new thing so spoons have been used for forever the black spoons I love Spoons the world loves spoons you know why because they’re easy to use they’re useful people love eating wet food spoons uh so they they put wet Foods in your mouth good they’ve been used since literally pre-history right yeah and also the ancient Latin and Greek word for spoon is really fascinating comes from Shell because they would just use like shells shells as spoons sure and eventually started making out of bone all that so like spoons the world over uses spoons it’s a really useful thing I like spoons forks are incredibly new knives very old use them for killing things I like knives I like knives knives are very useful if you keep those I don’t use a lot of knives in my house though do you cook no I mean like to eat I don’t think and a lot of cultures don’t like I don’t need it so a lot of cultures don’t and I pork does the knifing I brought up the classism thing half as a joke but like if you actually go back in history so Louis XIV you know about like the salad fork the fish Fork of course a modern tale a quote-unquote modern Western table setting there’s like three different Forks yeah like three different spoons yeah all the goblets and all that so a lot of that stuff a lot of these codifications of etiquette they came from like Louis XIV right and that guy sucked one he was sexy he had sexy calves yeah yeah oh I don’t know about that did you okay so he literally commissioned all of his portrait painters to like port to paint his calves in a flattering light because he loved them they say Louis XIV allegedly at least invented high heels to make his own Cavs look good you look at any losers so this is the reason why draw high heels every time I go out this is the reason keep it cool keep that energy up damn it that’s the reason you have to wear high heels every time you go out especially the 14th that’s the reason that we have like four different Forks in a modern table setting look at those sexy cows you really have such sexy calves yeah and so literally a lot of these what we consider like see these thighs he’s a sexy guy no I was doubting the Louis the fourth he’s a sexy guy these thighs are incredible the face not a good face card sorry but like one of the reasons he did all these things in his court he made up all these codes was literally to distract people from the idea of Revolution it was like if you keep people so bogged down in what is the cool dance I’m gonna learn for the court what kind of shoes do I have to wear what kind of wigs do I have to wear what kind of fork do I eat with if you confuse people with all of these rules Nicole suddenly they don’t realize that like stop I swear you mean to tell me that the French Revolution was was uh not when it was supposed to be because new Forks were invented yes the French Revolution okay then what are you saying no but I I’m saying that there are these arbitrary rules of how you’re supposed to dress uh look carry yourself and eat and these rules are all arbitrary and they’re all shifting throughout history and I think it is time for the fork to go because there was a point what is the fork ever done to you before it’s been a substandard eating utensil for eating pretty much anything is it they do I think it is I mean what do you use a fork for think about it that that salad but like peas okay a spoon is a much better utensil eat peas with no it’s not what do you mean the peas run around you what do you mean they run around how does the fork keep the peas you stab them you’re stabbing individual peas yes not scooping a mouthful of peas no why are you stabbing your piece it’s easier to eat that okay I’m thinking okay so I might have used a spoon in the beginning but at the end when there was like seven peas whittling about on my plate I’m not gonna spoon them you use a fork to push them into your spoon and then all the peas can exist in one place okay fine so you still use a fork though but so you’re using it to push things onto yourself before it could simply be another spoon no you couldn’t no it couldn’t you would not be able to eat the way that you do if you you see you’re lying you’re a liar you love forks and you use forks all the time you’re lying I don’t I don’t actually love using it okay real quick real quick back to the history for us this is important to me take it away importantly so Forks uh not really common or popular they had like Forks used as cooking utensils because you’d just have a meat you’d you know hook it onto you know sticks and you’d roast it over an open fire cool that dates back for a while as far as an eating utensil goes it wasn’t until like the like you know 1100s that it really came about and even then it was still like a really newfangled thing and there’s some really incredible uh you know examples in history of people being straight up offended by Forks like uh okay for instance wait hold up hey look this up okay so check this out in in 1004 the Greek niece of a Byzantine emperor used a golden Fork at her wedding feast in Venice when she married the Doja son the Doge of the ruler of Venice shout out AP European History at the time most Europeans still ate with their fingers and knives so the Greek bride’s newfangled Implement was seen as sinfully decadent by local clergy and I quote God in his wisdom has provided man with natural Forks his fingers one of the disdainful venetians said therefore it is an insult to him to substitute artificial metal forks for them while eating when the brown I died of the plague a few years later Saint Peter Damien opined that it was God’s punishment for hateful vanity for using a four we’re using a fork it was Advanced those guys those guys okay so what’s the problem she was because then the fork became really really popular in Italy and in Iran and it well I’m curious about the forks forks uh were a big deal in Persia and like Social Circles like if you’re a fancy you ate with four wait like how recently are you talking like back in like like at the same time as this as this wedding okay well that makes sense because like there was a big exchange of ideas right uh Persia was like a huge they’re always in history no but Virgil was like a huge like um trading partner in terms of ideals too and it was one of the intellectual capitals of the world as well so that makes sense yeah but it really took hold in Italy uh Catherine de Medici famously brought her collection of forks from Italy to France in 1533 when she married King Henry II but literally England had banned Forks because they thought it was an affront to God until like the 1600s so forg’s awesome sand alls I’m saying is it is a very new invention in the history in the sands of time Nicole spoons and knives vastly outdated Forks Chopsticks as well so just because so just because they’re new means that they’re bad no no what kind of mentality is that Mr technology I’m not saying Forks are bad because they’re they’re a new invention in history but I am saying that anything that’s truly useful I’m probably gonna shoot myself in the foot here okay take it away anything that is truly Universal and use and useful throughout history was invented very early on simply by demand if the technology existed to make it it would have been made early on so like knives right very easy to understand why one might need that right yeah bear coming at you yeah there you get them the ribs of the knife that’s how I’d kill a bear okay food I’d also kill a bear with a spoon but that’s because I’m a big strong man but now spoons are very useful they’ve been making them for thousands of years using shells and stuff that makes sense why did nobody until like 1000 A.D think of eating with forks at a dinner table because there was no need for them you’re eating with your hands you’re eating with spoons there’s no need for you to have an iPhone but you have one there is a need for me to have an iPhone so because it was interesting ideas oh no are you saying why why wasn’t the iPhone invented in the Paleolithic Era yeah because we didn’t have the technology you had the technology to make a fork did you not how were you supposed to know you needed a fork and they didn’t how were you supposed to know until someone first made a fork how many seasons they just weren’t on tables they weren’t on tables and they shouldn’t be on tables they should be on tables they can be on tape I think that that the fork is only on go ahead no no no no no you’re just so impassionate I would love for you to take this conversation you literally have tines on your arm you literally care about stabbing Foods Oh Nicole I would hardly call it a spork has times wait quick side note uh I’m friends with like a bunch of crunchy vegans from college because you see Santa Barbara right okay and they would post a lot of like vegan memes and they’re really funny because it’s real in groupie stuff so one of the arguments for why man eats meat is we have canines the teeth right sure sharp and then vegans will be like there will be these memes that are like you call those canines and it’ll be like a human’s canine teeth next to like a saber-toothed tiger it’s like these are real canines and they’re like and I’m like that’s a weird dunk so like cats have bigger canines than you anyways point is you follow these times yeah obviously real times no a spork is different one I don’t use Sparks I don’t eat with them I don’t like eating with sporks I just like what they represent I like what they represent which is what it’s Duality not the Slipknot song but that’s a great song but no it’s uh it’s it’s Duality and also like mostly I’ve gotten all my tattoos as jokes and every tattoo that I get will roughly be a joke have you heard of this blade what’s this it’s a spoon fork and blade oh the the camping thing yeah I’m into splades are you really though no would you actually use one I’ve never had I’ve never held one before but I’m looking at a picture of one and I am into it what’s the most other than peas which weed Nicole salad we made a chopstick what about Chopsticks what about Chopsticks why not eat something I’m not deaf I’m left-handed I’m not deafed at using Chopsticks I’m not very deaf I’m saying but you’re not good at Chopsticks because you didn’t grow up using them so what I’m saying I eat a lot of sushi and I eat my sushi with my Chopsticks and I eat my other food with chopsticks but I prefer to use a Fork because I am left-handed and it’s easier for me to use a fork does left-handedness have anything to do with forks versus Chopsticks absolutely not I just always use it as a crutch always I think you have that well it’s something that I have and I will use but imagine this like how some parents raise their children in like a genderless home you know okay I’m going to raise my children in a forkless home and this is just this is just that and so they’re going to be raised with chopsticks and a Chinese soup spoon and then a western soup spoon and those are the only three utensils my kids will come over but they will bring their own forks I will okay oh because you’re because you’ve suddenly converted to Orthodox Judaism or because my very friendly cousins all come with their own serving utensils to make sure everything’s Coach Josh if I ever if I ever could convert Orthodox Judaism I’m not like modern orthod you know like in any form of religion watch me in six months I’m gonna make I’m gonna eat Fridays I got hammered with some straight has headache dudes they were rad man um uel no dude I mean let me tell you four and have a purpose they stab the food and you eat it okay so to me to me to me if I’m thinking of the best use for a fork it’s if you got a big old steak right okay yeah a big cut of meat should be a big cut of meat that you need to hold down with something as you saw it with a blade with a steak knife or if the food is already pre-cut up and you just pick it up but again it’s like you get a stick at a restaurant and they slice it for you sure but you use a fork to pick it up again I’m thinking Chopsticks but but when are you but no they’re not better they require two fingers Fork you just kind of hold what do you mean if you’re only using two fingers for Chopsticks then a fork is using the same amount of like manual no no the dexterity of using Chopsticks is harder than using a fork not if you’re native it’s like uh okay well I don’t have that privilege well okay but now Nicole now is the time to reverse it I don’t need to do that God gave me a fork and I use it did you notice did you notice bestowed by God okay when when we made pastas as Giada dealer insists would say pastas um did you notice what I ate my fettuccine alfredo yeah you ate it with chopsticks and that’s a I eat my you know I eat my chips with chopsticks oh so you are good at Chopsticks I just don’t listen I am a lazy person in I don’t like to use more than one hand when I’m doing things okay I’m using more than one hand with chopsticks it’s only one hand I’m talking about the fingers the hand versus the finger you have to think about using Chopsticks because it’s not native to you I just yes I have confirmed that thing I know I’m just you’re saying one hand two-handed Josh if I go to a party and I’m eating with a toothpick how annoying wait hold up more Foods on toothpicks that’s something we can’t agree imagine I’m at a dinner party okay there’s a fork and a knife and I just come on I’m just using it too like beep beep beep uh yeah I think that’s super cool honestly I’d be like this is a woman who is very confident she knows what she wants she knows what’s going to give her the best experience are you kidding me and she’s eating with a toothpick so embarrassing wait I have a question when you um Julia and I eat a lot of cut up fruit that’s really nice thank you so we’ll buy the whole fruit does she cut it for you no I cut it for her what do you mean she doesn’t no she does all the like she like books travel and pays bills and all like the important stuff and I’m like you want some honeydew I’m better at that oh like for real when she cuts fruits sorry I just have a very like uh classic thing in my mind like the woman and she’s like an accent service I’m not I’m like a physical touch guy you know what I mean and so like I’m just I don’t know go uh rub my earlobe while I’m cutting honeydew and then you’re a physical touch guy yeah I know people will find it no way is that your love language oh yeah yeah I had no idea did we not talk about this no you hate being touched I have all of them I don’t like being touched by people at work because it’s weird we’re just like hot we’re hugging now Daniel you ever hugged me I would like to just come over um um I have all five love languages I I need them all I touched someone at work and it was weird no no I was like okay now I have to explain the story and I’m sorry to cut you off I have to explain the story now I was I was just in a new job and we were out at like a work dinner and like I I was there with my boss and like five other like Freelancers we worked with so it wasn’t here what it wasn’t here it wasn’t here and she uh I was like 22 23 like just trying to learn work etiquette and she like hugged all of them goodbye right because they were all like friends she’d worked with them for a long time and then we were like walking our cars together in a in a parking garage and I was like all right see ya and went to like give her a hug because she hugged everybody else and she was like oh oh whoa we’re hugging oh okay and she like she made it weird and she was a small woman and I was just like it’s 260 pounds like girl come into my arms in this parking garage oh sorry um it’s simpler if you don’t okay what do you love languages all of them God of course I was yeah I was gonna say you’re gonna be one of the people gift giving I’m not the biggest fan because you compulsorily have to give a lot of gifts it sounds like no I’m just very particular about what I want to wear on my person or have in my home so don’t buy me gifts just give me money that makes sense give me money no gifts money your love language is just cash it’s just cold Hard Cash you know what my competitive you know my compatible zodiac sign is I don’t know I don’t know what any of those dollars actually and mine is acts of service and words of affirmation so basically if you just say a lot a bunch of bull malarkey in my ear I’m kind of into it I’ve been sitting a lot of senior year for the last two and a half years in this podcast [Music] foreign [Music] large cups of meat I think that should be up to the chef to cut that meat into smaller pieces so you can eat it easily I don’t think it should be up to the diner have you ever had a prime rib yeah okay that’s fun that’s fun listen I agree with that you want this Chef to cut the private into little pieces to eat but like it sounded like nacha from what we do in the shadows not necessarily I’m trying to think now I’m trying to think because that is like I’m thinking of a lot of say um you eat kabob right all the time already in chunks like chunks that need to be you know might need to be cut a little bit or you just you know stab it with a fork and again I know I’m talking about Forks but if I had chopsticks with Kabob I would prefer no you wouldn’t yes I would how are you gonna pick up all the rice excuse me okay well that’s a good point Persian rice tough to eat with chopsticks yeah a lot of like Chinese Japanese rice easier to pick up Chopsticks so there are reasons but I eat Persian rice with a spoon um do you know there’s like a thing where like Persian people don’t use forks or something wait what I know I know but like there’s like this thing where it’s like I don’t know what it is there’s like a meme I don’t know it but like there’s a meme that says like oh Persian people don’t use forks when they eat or they don’t use knives when they eat it’s so stupid I use oh they’re right Nicole they’re right they say at the time do all of the passing history the waterfall of past events that have come down they are correct they’re not useless what about when you’re eating beans what do you mean spoon spoon no but you but you don’t need the excess liquid of the beans also I want to be who doesn’t want the bean liquid it makes you gassy what do you mean then strain that and then serve that at the table whatever you are intending to serve but like actually I think that is one thing that made Forks such a staple in like Western Cuisine right so you’re looking at the cuisine of Western Europe uh like roast was literally a course in a classic French meal like you had your fish course you had the soup you had fruit and then you just had a roast sounds like fun so it sounds fun listen I’m down for medieval banquet yeah um so it makes sense you’d be able to stab the big old roast that you eat and cut the pieces off that you want with a knife but but but my counter to that is that everybody should just be eating with their hands about four times more often I want to say everybody there’s a lot of cultures that do just rock with their hair love eating with my hands same why don’t we do it more why don’t we abandon forms I do I I listen just because I love forks and spoons and knives and Cutlery doesn’t mean that I can’t also really enjoy eating food with my hands I do eat with my hands a lot what’s stopping you then from just getting all the forks out of your home nothing John you should would you entertain it for oh my at my house with my man with every time we eat together spoon and fork okay I will say that’s a pretty good way to eat I don’t okay can I tell you what what this is making a perfect amount of sense I I don’t love Forks we’ve established that okay I especially hate knife and fork as a coupling we don’t use knife and food we use food and forth good so you’re rocking like the Filipino Thai method okay yeah no so that’s that’s actually a big thing so uh Philippines right is very common to eat with a spoon and a fork and use the fork to push the food correct correct that is how I eat yes back of the fork and you’re scraping it in correct um also Philippines a lot of the cuisine is like very kind of like stew soup base yes yes right and that has to do with tropical climate there’s a really great essay on uh on taste.com uh about the Filipino Fork and Spoon usage and so that also exists in Thailand as well and in Thailand you would only really use chopsticks for noodle dishes sure makes sense um which makes sense noodles are a delight to eat with chopsticks and so I do respect the fork and spoon but I also kind of think that the fork is a bit anachronistic a bit vestigial it doesn’t necessarily need to be there it could be another spoon be another spoon that’s all I’m saying okay Edward’s Spoon Hands get the frick out of here you’re crazy you ever watch Mystery Men what is that about oh my God great Janine Garofalo Ben Stiller Kel Mitchell Hank azero they’re all superheroes William H Macy I saw like I saw like a snippet of it on on uh social media and I want to watch it oh it’s so good we should look so good it looks like perfect like 2003 like-ish movie yeah yeah uh Jean Garofalo plays a superhero called The Bowler and her dead dad’s spirit is stuck inside a bowling ball uh William H Macy is the shoveler he just hits people the shovel and then Hank is area is the blue Raja and instead of throwing knives he throws uh Forks I’m into that and I think it’s great that’s the only good usage of a fork is for Hank his area to throw them at people in the movie Mystery Men I don’t know what you want from me at this point of the conversation we typically have some sort of like you know like a middle ground like you and I are just vibing and like talking but like at this point I’m doing this but I don’t I think you and I are very opposite sides of of the spectrum I think you’re not gonna give me any any slack I’m not gonna give you any slack I would just appreciate if when your children come over to eat at my Children’s Home that they don’t bring forks and that they’re just eating with their hands and spoons forks have a purpose get to keep down the working class by keeping them confused with rules like when do I stab this thing no it’s subconscious what do you mean you when you look at a piece of food your brain knows okay I’ll use this Fork because I saw I saw my mom and dad do it well that’s why I need to break the cycle and we need to start explicitly eating with chopsticks spoons and hands I don’t mind eating with chopsticks I don’t want this whole chopsticker I don’t want you to think I’m a piece of crap because I don’t eat with chopsticks that much it’s just easier for me I don’t like just you know sometimes I do and I make my own training chops out of a hairband on the paper if you’re drunk enough it’s hard it’s fine like listen and drunk a lot I’m drunk a lot but I just I’m just trying to tell you like Forks have a purpose and you keep saying okay what do you think it would take for because people seem to be grossful when I say people I mean like if you’re if I’m ever eating food with my hands on whatever people I’ll get comments right so it’s like that’s disgusting hey Josh today I got you a whole chicken out of the kindness of my heart I bought you a whole chicken a 27 chicken I remind you and you did not use a single utensil and we had coleslaw we had beans we had a hot link yeah you didn’t use you used a fork to spear the hot link I tried to take it directly off the floor because my mouth he said no don’t I’m not putting that in your mouth and so I grabbed it with my hands and I ate it but like you like were you you just absolutely animalistically digging your three fingers into the chicken flesh and shoving yourself listen one you and me baby ain’t nothing but mammals so let’s eat like they do on the Discovery Channel right that’s what I’m saying it was a visceral and then you kept coming back into the sauces but for some odd reason like your first four knuckle like your knuckles like the second to third knuckle was just sopping wet but first the reason the pads were not oh you know what happened if I can explain so uh Nicole’s right I was eating a whole chicken just a whole animal in my body um but I had to break the joints apart so I like to break into its Primal Cuts you know I had to really dig my knuckle into the joints so that’s how it it yeah just like covered and then you keep going into the sauces yeah yeah and in my brain I was like to be clear they were they weren’t communal sauces they were an individual I took a lot of them to be clear I took about six or seven it took so much I had them arranged around my whole chicken oh my God but to me to me that is the perfect example like food is about feral joy for me and I do that sometimes too but there’s you know at work why why can’t people at work Daniel are you offended watching me just go to I go to town I love it see Daniel loves it why can’t you be like Daniel you [Laughter] excuses me when I eat with my hands at work okay okay okay what if we got uh wow if there was a person from um from Ethiopia and they’re here and Nicole they’re they’re ripping in jarrah they’re eating their doors you didn’t say you’re disgusted by them you’re just eating with your hands a lot of cultures that eat with their hands come on young kids in the Philippines I like that I eat that with my hands oh but you’d go over someone’s house with a fork you oh we need a spoon the doll I need to Fork the doll I need to get each individual lentil oh is that you’re talking about like feeding a doll I like to teach the kid like yeah yeah yeah talking about like feeding a doll like teaching a kid like Yum Yum Yum eating with a fork which is what I’m gonna do because I live in gosh darn America and I’m gonna teach my kid D with a sport I’m sorry a knife Chopsticks what other utensils are there a splade what else is there huh oh a grapefruit spoon I get food spoon I’m just gonna teach them everything I’m probably not always Forks in my house but I’ll teach my kid to do it I’ll teach them I’ll teach them everything and if they decide I want to go in with my hands I just gotta accept it oh I like using big old pretzel rods as chapsticks use like a piece of bread as a as a utensil is a really good way to eat I mean that’s how literally all of my favorite cultures and that’s how I typically eat at home um I shout out to deep Naik in his Gujarati family but I grew up eating so many dinners with him yeah of they would call it Roti and sabji they’d have a roti or a Paratha chapati whatever sure some sort of a Indian flatbread and you use that as the utensil and you scoop up the sub G the the main dish the curry whatever you want to call it um and you just pop it with the thumb in the mouth and to me that is such a beautiful such an intimate way to eat and call all I want is for people to be intimate with their food not like that but kind of like that [Music] all right Nicole I’ve heard what you and I have to say it sure was a lot now it’s time to find out what other whack it is rattling out there in the world it’s time for a segment we call opinions are like casserole [Music] and Nicole we got some voicemails today that’s right call 1-833 dog pod one you can hear me and Nicole’s sex hotline voices that we did not think were gonna be the final take but I mean I knew they were going to be the final take I did too Nicole this is my sexy voice it’s Buffalo Bill I was once talking in an Earnest sexy voice with a partner and they said I sounded like Chad Kroger from Nickelback all this Nickelback hate screw it I love Nickelback the only reason people hate Nickelback so much because they can’t beat Nickelback the voicemail man what’s up guys uh my name is Akash uh I’ve been listening to the podcast for a long time now love the podcast y’all are amazing um as for my controversial opinion on food French food kind of sucks let’s go the only flavors there’s a guy going for it is like meat and salt butter which are good flavor is like objectively good flavors but they’re still like you know spice if you want good food oh my gosh like Indian food is out there Persian food is out there like there’s so much other Cuisine that’s better than French food so I don’t know why French food is like hailed as it’s like oh my God the mother of all foods like you know it it kind of sucks in my opinion but yeah that’s that’s my uh opinion hope you all are um staying safe um I don’t know if I can say that you could bleep that out have a good one ah gosh hitting the name so sweet um so I recently came to the to the Revelation resolution I like final idea that French food isn’t my top five favorite because it is in your top five it is no way I’m not top dishes I can’t I’ll tell you my top I don’t want to talk about like my top five favorite Cuisines yet I think that’s actually a really good podcast that we can talk about but my favorite French dishes honestly I just love French Bistro food like steak fruits with a goat cheese salad is like a great meal so what what Akash was saying um literally gets to the heart at what I’m saying with the forks debate right okay of it is a like very Western European franco-centric ideal of what food should be should be it really go back to Louis XIV and before that for sure um but the forks Were Meant to eat stuff like French Bistro food you get a whole rest of duck you get a whole steak with the fruits and all that you get mussels and whatever um but that isn’t how a lot of the rest of the world eats and also Akash talking about not having spices is in French food certainly there’s a lot of herbs and like you know there are spices used but uh there’s that old joke that the English pillaged the entire world for spices and decided they didn’t like any of them and that is kind of true so spices were really in demand um we’ve talked about that dish sikbaj that came from Iraq and like you know the 700s yeah and it was just this Spicy Sweet lamb stew that traveled around the world so spices were really really expensive they were only for Royals and very rich people all that but literally once spices got democratized and people could start buying them and use them in their own homes that is when the aristocracy decided I’m getting real political on this Nicole and we’re freaking that is when people decided that like no no food should be simple and ingredient driven and pure and that is a lot of what French food is right yes and I like food like that I like pure food you like it I mean I don’t like to put the word pure food on it I mean I think French cuisine is delicious I do do I think other Cuisines are also delicious yeah foreign but I think French food is really delicious and I don’t like people that hate on it I think it’s I think it’s unfortunate that people think that it’s not good Cuisine it’s very good Cuisine but nobody think nobody thinks that right nobody likes like like French cuisine the only reason that people like Akash are are now saying that like hey maybe French cuisine kind of sucks is because it was held at the top of the ladder to this day it’s because they codified certain things that we still in schools we learned today for codified things though right every culture is codified thing I mean we codified it and then it was just sent around the world well sure they but because of like a western supremacist value right they’re like hey this is better I mean it was good I mean I’m glad that I learned the things that I learned about escoffier and Brigade systems and all the forks to use I don’t hate myself for knowing those things you shouldn’t nobody’s saying you should and I don’t think putting I don’t think putting French food at the bottom of the tiers good either but I think people people can only say that because it’s been held at the top for so long and I think there’s some races and also other Cuisines have been denigrated for instance right okay so let’s talk about you know Western food values people couldn’t charge now things are changing finally but like for a long time restaurants charging 18 for spaghetti with tomato sauce would be seen as normal but you charge 18 for ramen and suddenly it’s like oh but this should be a cheap noodle dish is that true a lot of this is coming from yeah you can hear David Chang talk about it I’ve never really done research like that on it so I’m not really one to talk about it and so if you put French words in your food on menus uh Dan jaravsky actually did some incredible research on this if you put French words in menus you can charge significantly more money for that because people assume that has higher value right calling Green Beans Hair cover stuff like that interesting it sounds fancier because we’ve held up French food for so long however Indian food specifically like my God the amount of time labor knowledge skill that goes into a lot of Indian cookery is like utterly insane and also if you are used to eating food with that amount of spices cooked with that type of technique making the Tarka all of that blooming the spices in the oil okay but then have somebody go no French is the best food in the world you’re going to die when you have this you eat just a duck breast with like a two ingredient sauce it’s like what the hell is this okay what about the flip side what about someone that grew up eating Blanche food and then they’re told you’re going to have the best dish of your life and it’s this really complicated complex Indian dish they’re like oh I don’t like that so I didn’t see it be jarring I mean like I’m thinking of my grandma right she can’t handle spice but because for me like we talked about like chasing intensity of food experience right like I want the most delicious food in the freaking world to me I think once you start adding all those spices and whatnot again these are things that dominated World Trade literally sure yes you know for forever so obviously historically we see those as important you know to human culture uh and so for me the ceiling on a Cuisine like that is always going to be higher I disagree yeah fair enough damn oh gosh that got intense hey you guys my name is Mike I’m Josh speaking really hot but uh I grew up in Chicago but now I have moved to New York and there’s this whole like New York Chicago Pizza binary thing and to be honest with you I’m sick of it I’m sick of hearing about it because when people talk about the pizza in Chicago they’re talking about deep dish pizza and it’s just a different meal and like a thin crust pizza it’s not the same thing so we can’t compare them it’s like comparing like oh what do you like better a lasagna or like chip suit salsa like it’s not the same thing when you stop comparing it now if you want to compare thin crust pizza thin crust pizza that’s a conversation that we can have but the other one I’m sick of it I’m sick of it and it needs to stop did you say I was hot you said your voice is hot hey so um this person is saying that they’re upset that people compare different kinds of pizzas to each other I don’t understand specifically Chicago deep dish New York thin crust yeah they’re two totally different pizzas they’re two totally different things most Chicagoans that I know will would never compare deep dish to think most Chicagoans I know don’t really claim deep dish like that really I don’t know anybody from Chicago I feel like Chicago like this like Epicurean foodie they love quote Chicago Pub style pizza which is thin it’s thin crust uh toppings all the way to the crust cut into squares yeah it’s like bad it’s just like no oh it’s bad in my opinion it’s one of those that um people claim and they want to rep because I think they want to be iconoclastic like no no this is what real Chicagoans eat and it’s just like a fine Pizza I thought he was gonna go with that opinion that Regional Styles kind of don’t exist anymore maybe that’s speaking from a very La perspective though yeah we’re kind of spoiled we have about every single Pizza on every single block yeah so I remember going to New York and uh I looked up an article like best pizza in New York and there was one spot at the time this is several years ago that everyone was talking about it was called motorino okay and I went to motor Reno and I was like I can’t wait New York’s the best pizza City and they got the best pizza in New York this pizza is about to be the best and I had it and it was traditional Neapolitan style okay and I was like why couldn’t it was fine most Neapolitan pizzas to me kind of taste the same they’re all just like wet and burnt the best pizzas are like dollar slice in New York even then I just I can I don’t know that I’m tasting the new yorkness the best pizza I had in New York was at the Newark Airport yeah and I ate like six dollar slices and I went to the Newark Airport and I was like this pizza is just better than all that um and I feel like it’s the same way with tacos in La you take people to your favorite dollar 25 Taco spot yeah inflation um and they’re like yeah it’s a fine taco and you’re like yeah hell yeah it is so I don’t know I feel that can’t compare deep dish to thin crust but even thin crust Chicago to New York insofar as there are meaningful differences New York just wins that it’s good New Haven style New Haven wins I need to go to Chicago and need a slice of pizza man hey Josh Nicole huge fan of the podcast uh I’m from Southern Utah but lived in Ohio for a while and I gotta say that a cucumber salad which is just cucumbers onions and tomatoes in like a vinaigrette is by far the worst tasting thing ever but everyone in Ohio loves it because they’ve got some I’m not going to say it but probably some major issues anyway thank you for listening cucumber tomato and onion sounds like a solid chiropi sounds like shirazi sounds like every single salad in the Middle East which is I’m wondering where they’re from in Ohio that that was I’m wondering popular what this vinaigrette is I am too that is I mean like so shirazi is just dressed with olive oil lemon I mean with verju is it a lot of the times yeah which a lot of people don’t know that I didn’t know yeah um yeah it’s uh to me it’s it’s it’s like panchan it’s like that’s that’s one of my favorite I make literally a giant thing of like cucumber tomato onion typically I’ll put like parsley in it sometimes if I like dried mint sumac stuff like that I’ll toss it in there um it is the best accompaniment like yeah so many cultures eat it um in in Brazil they call it vinaigrette they’ll put some raw bell pepper in it but it’s the same thing pretty much yeah yeah pico de gallo yeah you are utterly wrong on this this is I wonder what the I have to know what the vinaigrette is I’m curious yeah it’s like if it’s like straight Italian dressing yeah I get it but if it’s not I don’t know they need to put some love in it yeah a cucumber onion tomato salad It’s gotta have some love It’s gotta have smelly things it’s gonna be properly salted properly seasoned yeah 11 food is just salt though yeah okay should we go to some written ones let’s do it you can take the first one all right speaking of salad at Abu Miller when I was a kid I’d make this quote-unquote salad at Ruby Tuesday diced ham Tomatoes sunflower seeds croutons hard-boiled eggs peas and parmesan cheese on a cottage cheese whoa left turn so okay if we’re keeping track the only green thing is peas uh and the only vegetables are peas and tomatoes this is mostly deli meats in a bed of cottage cheese it’s a bed of cottage cheese kind of threw me off everything else I would eat like a salad you ever get a dish though like even like a tomato salad or something in a restaurant served in a kind of like bed of whipped ricotta or something you know yeah but I don’t really like that that’s what this is you don’t like that oh I love that no or like the homos that has like this all the stuff in the middle that’s fun like that that’s hummus though what that’s hummus though the texture of cottage cheese is really wrong if you if you whip it uh yeah maybe I um yeah I American cottage cheese is like bad right big herd like it’s just bad like if you put cottage cheese in a blender it becomes better yeah and I think more places should start doing that whip your cottage cheese I’m sure they will I’m sure they will but this is a wild salad it uh 10 out of 10 I’d eat random fact 79 says I love eating Reese’s burgers so you know when you start your painting with so it’s gonna go well so it’s a beef burger with Nutella and peanut butter on regular buns you wild Jolly okay you’re Wild I don’t okay so we are just coming off of lunch Nicole and I ate herself silly on delicious barbecue it was fun and so I don’t think my my vision isn’t tainted by being hungry or anything for some reason this sounds good to me I don’t know what it is I know why why I don’t know I know I know I know why the peanut butter burger like that’s the thing peanut butter and Mayonnaise hamburger uh it’s a goober Burger I believe it’s called yup um that’s established the Nutella that’s a new twist I don’t even love Nutella like that I love Nutella there’s something if you like really charred the hell out of that burger it was a lot of salt a lot of black pepper so you really try it now when you get that chocolate just like oh the little you know it would be good in this huh sliced like a hard salami that would work you know what I mean like the hard peppered salami sliced really thin like a few pieces of it a little extra salty to cut through that yeah and and you and you seared that salami and it turned into little cups that would be good that’s a pure Reese’s cup Burger Reese’s I mean Reese’s sandwich add some sliced salamity to your Reese’s Burger next time uh all right here we go I have no I God I feel like I’ve heard of this anyways we got L mannon the best casserole is flying Jacob shredded rotisserie chicken crispy bacon what peanuts sliced banana and a sauce of whipped cream and Heinz chili sauce Daniel can you Google flying Jacob what is going on okay Nicole what do you okay before Daniel looks this up what do you guess the origins are of flying Jacob I looked it up like from what culture oh you already looked it up yeah I’m sorry what is it Swedish it says okay that makes sense why does that make sense because the swedes will God bless them they will throw bananas into any Savory casserole why do you think that and I think it’s incredible ew it kind of I I I vaguely have a hypothesis about why why the Nordic countries right you guys Iceland Sweden Norway I don’t know if Finland identifies as Nordic um they don’t share a common language with them um but they are very cold they’re in a winter wonderland oh like they’re cool they’re called people or they’re just cold no no they’re very warm people oh they are but they exist in darkness and cold constantly and so I think they like really fetishize a lot of tropical ingredients and Cuisines and cultures in a way so for instance um we were talking about that with memo Torres the other day about what countries quote say they like Mexican food the most and like Norway was top three like 87 people saying they like Mexican food um and I’ve had people from Sweden make me quote unquote tacos sure before and I’ve eaten quote-unquote curries from people in Sweden and it’s just like canned pineapple and bananas with like chicken and curry powder and it’s wild so I think like they’re very far away from tropical climates so they really want to import certain cultures but it takes so long like any game of telephone the longer the location the more things get a little messed up and they end up with bananas and shrimp on pizza and you ended up with a flying Jacob casserole I don’t like the name I couldn’t tell you where it comes from I don’t care for the chicken bacon peanuts great sliced banana I’m kind of in banana and Bacon’s great why not banana and chicken and then whipped cream and Heinz chili sauce that it’s just it’s a it’s a it’s a mishmash and it gives me a headache I would love to eat it I would love to I would love to try it I just want to know number one who named it a flying Jacob and number two what Swedish person wants to invite by OVA Jakob son okay so yaakov Jacob worked in the air freight industry okay Jacobson worked in the air freight industry what is an adding up above oh I get it so Jacob is so jakobson is flying because he works in airfare yeah it’s flying jakko before being honest not flying dragon I’m sorry I repositioned yeah Nicole Nicole’s reposition I’m very full well that was pretty good anything else you want to talk about no are we done did we do this podcast take it away Josh well on that note thank you for listening we are really full podcasting while full is tough because you can’t get as many breathless monologues out thank you for listening to a hot dog as a sandwich if you want to hear more from us in the mythical we got new episodes every Wednesday if you want to be featured on opinions or like casseroles you can hit us up on Twitter at mythical Chef or n headizato opinion Castle Josh is rubbing his tummy nice real good or if you want to leave us a voicemail give us a ring and leave a quick message I was 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