please rise for our national anthem ketchup is a smoothie yeah I put ice in my cereal so what that makes no sense a hot dog is a sandwich a hot dog is a sandwich Welcome to our podcast a hot dog is a sandwich I’m your host Josh air and I’m your host Nicole anayadi and today we are joined by comedian and podcaster Jamie Loftus who just published her first book raw dog the naked truth about hot dogs raw dog takes readers on a thank you Vanna Nicole raw dog takes readers on a journey across the U.S during the summer of 2021 exploring the origins cultural significance and class implications of hot dogs in American society raw dog is filled with plenty of laughs vivid descriptions of diarrhea and even the occasional run-in with a meth dealer Jamie welcome to the pods the best intro to the book I’ve ever heard thank you I mean I I was totally taken by the book um also the story in Albuquerque with the the methotel they call it the meth haunted house the meth haunted house distract from the hot dogs of the book um but that was just an incredible experience that was a fun conversation with my editor where she was like I don’t know that this is relevant to hot time and you’re like it stays it’s all relevant to Hot Dogs we are in America it’s relevant to Hot Dogs exactly exactly the method Hotel I wish everyone well there have you followed up do you still talk to the the front desk person no I I tried to get my I tried to get refunded for it and then I ended up talking to the same person and I was just like this is this isn’t going to go anywhere I have to accept that I’m losing 72 dollars today at the meth haunted hotel but you know it was a good ex I lived until it’s important yes yeah anytime somebody says I got struck by lightning four times the immediate reaction is no you don’t and now anything that comes out of your mouth is going to be utterly crazy and it sure was I think it’s a good like a good gauge of what kind of person you are though because when she said that I was like oh wow that’s so unlucky I don’t think it was like she’s had such a difficult line I think she hasn’t I don’t think it’s because uh any whom um tell me what you learned about hot dogs through this journey so we we’re titling this podcast what’s the most American food you mentioned how hot dogs are deeply American for a variety of reasons yes do you think that they are the most American food ugh I think they’re pretty American food I feel like it’s really easy to argue that hot dogs are not American at all because they are Greek and polish mostly um but they’re really American because they really insist that they’re American even though they’re not and it’s all about it’s all like a marketing scheme um which is my the best and worst thing about hot dogs they’re just like trying to tell you that you’re more American for having eaten one when it has sort of nothing to do with anything and then well this is depressing but like the most American thing about a hot dog is that it’s like made unethically with like horrific labor practices and uh makes you sick go hot dog you talk a lot about the industrial process of notification which I love because I mean that’s something we talk a lot about on the show that it’s literally you know going back to like Upton Sinclair’s the jungle and talking about just taking all the head scraps of animals and organ meats and then now going into their pink slime like that um spitting in the face of God via industrial technology that’s very American yes you know all about that and I mean again as somebody who like frequents 7-Elevens to eat food I myself as well I completely agree and I love it because I was raised on this stuff right it’s and that’s like something I thought was gonna happen when I was researching the book I was like I’ll be a vegetarian by the end of this I’ll be vegan I’ll be yeah I’ll be like Mrs like Brooklyn podcaster I’ll be full vegan by the end but I’m like not at all and now it’s just like you’re just like burdened with information but you’re not a better person um I think that’s also deeply American in a way I feel that constantly yeah you know it’s like I know all the bad things but like oh my God I hope other people do I was successful yeah yet maybe I will be what do you think the qualifications are for the most American food like should we try and come up with actual standardized categories here I’m sure we can Maggie can you pull up a document so we can keep Court stenographer this is legit as possible yeah I think an industrialization has to be part of it absolutely absolutely it needs to be touched by a few human hands and a lot of robot hands we won the war with British intelligence Russian blood and American Steel and that’s part of it World War II has to come into play somewhere I would love for World okay and it certainly does with a hot dog that’s like a base World War II or the Great Depression yes um that’s a very people love to talk about the Great Depression still I’m like there’s a new one like we can move on we’ll run it back eventually yeah what’s the link to the hot dogs in the Great Depression they were just cheap and could sell them to people in Mass yeah it was like it was kind of a timing thing where they were getting popular anyways and then the Great Depression hit and um especially in Chicago and Baltimore they would sort of Market the hot dog as like it’s two meals in one which in Chicago is kind I think it’s a stretch where they’re like it’s a salad on top of a hot dog so it’s it’s two meals and in Baltimore they’re like not messing around because they wrap their hot dog in a slice of fried bologna so you do not need to eat for three days after yeah wait however I’ve never heard of a Baltimore style hot dog oh it’s at it’s uh specifically at this Jewish deli in Baltimore um called atman’s Deli and it’s been around this is our pilgrimage this is our Wailing Wall it’s truly amazing I mean it has all these like all these like Hallmarks of hot dog places that I love which is that it’s been around for a hundred years it’s you’re like how is this place still open it’s burned down like three times and then but but and there’s like a line around the corner because people just like love it and there’s you know people who are like 80 years old that are like I used to me come here when and you’re like all right all right I just want my baloney hot dog I feel like old people loving it should be part of this we have you ever been to Cupid’s hot dogs in there there’s probably five or six yeah um we interviewed the uh she’s the daughter of the founders um and she was talking about how her name’s Morgan Walsh uh fantastic great roller skater too follow her she was talking about how um during the pandemic they shut down and her parents had died somewhat um recently before that and she didn’t know if she wanted to take over the family business her and her sister and then she had somebody come in after they had just reopened in that like initial stint at after the first shutdown and there’s this 90 year old woman who’s just crying with joy eating each other’s hot dogs because she’s like I used to have this every single week and with my husband who died and I couldn’t have my comfort so like I think the comforting of the elderly is like I think I think that’s kind of a thing I don’t know they like take care of their elderly like put him in a house and stuff we just feed them like yeah and that’s beautiful I know I feel bad for bullying that old lady in Baltimore where I was like all right don’t worry I’m an out of town or I came here to get the gross hot dog and leave but the atman’s hot dog rocks I love hearing about hot dog succession planning too honestly there’s a wiener schnitzel there was a whole lot of uh drama going down with uh who took over I don’t know the ins and outs of it but we were like trying to maybe book somebody from Wienerschnitzel for the podcast and I was like this seems yes there’s two there’s also there’s a real my favorite hot dog succession planning thing is from this Ohio chain called Tony Packo’s okay and the Pacos were just like duking it out absolutely like screwing each other over right and left like I love that stuff going it was like actual it was very low stakes actual succession it was great someone shredded documents oh my God someone sabotaged their cousin like it was just over and then and then um uh they got bought out by a company no one in the family owns it anymore yep that’s what corporate Intrigue corporate entries oh yeah maybe and and like in parentheses sexy question marks I feel like that’s America that’s something that we love yes corporate Intrigue is sexy no no like a sexy corporate Intrigue like if somebody slept with somebody to steal the documents for the you know like just in case that comes up all right my favorite hot dog place that I ate at growing up it’s in Allentown Pennsylvania where my family’s from we used to go there like every winter for Christmas and whatnot it’s called yakos and this has yes do you know who found the family that founded yako’s no uh so it’s called yako’s y o c c o apostrophe s okay um it is actually got i-a-c-o-c-c-o Iacocca and it is Lee Iacocca who is like the CEO of GM during the like oh wow the race against like Japanese automobile manufacturers and he became like an American folk hero for like basically Reviving I believe Pontiac I could be getting the stories wrong with the car manufacturers but he became this like American CEO industrial folk hero or like kind of like beaten Japan in that really weird japanophobic you know stage sure yeah um and he just happened to open a chain of a hot dog restaurants pierogies oh my God that’s so weird and evil I wasn’t even gonna say hot dogs as my most American food but now that we keep coming up it’s yeah it’s really beautiful I had a joke answer but I’m like it really is hot dog it’s I and I I feel like off of the corporate Intrigue that’s also the like the folk hero stuff because every hot dog business has a like folk hero at the center of it for the most part it’s like always named after the business owner there’s always a huge picture they’re usually dead sometimes they’re not um maybe folk hero folk hero got to be in it or even with like that Costco anecdote that I can’t stand the sea the CEO Costco is to kill someone and kill you hot dog doesn’t cost a dollar fifty and everyone every that I feel like that story goes viral every three months it’s like right up there with like Keanu Reeves is nice and you’re like we knew this yeah Robin Williams would speak to homeless people and say yes we like want to believe that somebody’s out there fighting for us right you know and it has to be the CEO of Costco and you’re like that’s very American thinking that the CEO of Costco could be acting in your best interest like also I I love costumes I hate Costco so much I hate Costco for the very simple reason everybody I love buying if we if we like waste if we and this is any if you identify as a fan I love you very much you’re my best friend thank you um but we get a fair amount of comments about food waste sure right we waste a single chicken nugget in an episode and you know to me that’s like a it’s a it’s a business thing we’re making content issue any set is going to have a certain amount of weight very many cards that’s the business um 40 of all household food just gets chucked in the trash that’s very true Costco is out here selling 15 pound bags of spinach you know what I mean like buying it in bulk does not actually help you in the long run based on the amount of food waste that creations I’ve always had this personal event against Costco that we need to be like buying smaller rather than bigger for me it’s just a hub for paper towels I buy like a lot of paper towels and I buy a lot of microfiber towels and I buy like my toilet papers from Costco and I just let me tell you I go I go like once or twice a year and I just stack my walls and I never have to think about it again until it’s like maybe a year later I gotta go find it I’m gonna preempt every single comment that we’re gonna get from Costco Shoppers who are going I shop at Costco and I’ve never wasted food in my life who’s wasting your 40 percent anywho wow now the parasocial tie has been severed no I’m so sorry baby come back I didn’t mean it baby come on One More Kiss thank you it’s gotten weird I came into this conversation convinced that the most American food was a Twinkie oh that’s a that’s a solid point though I was convinced number one same as a hot dog because it’s phallic yeah correct all those kind of foods are foul you can write that down phallic question mark it also tastes like chemicals yes all chemicals it’s an incredible story and I just think there’s nothing quintessentially more American in my mind as someone who was born in America but my parents are immigrants the twinkie is the quintessential American food the way that it’s pre-packaged how yellow it is how when you were a kid and you were looking at the wall of snacks so you could get your eye immediately went to that yellow ass cake something about it that’s not how you spell phallic Maggie oh my God oh my gosh this is today’s the day we found out Maggie has never seen the word falling out oh oh Maggie I’m sorry it’s not your fault the public education system in Irvine California one of the best in the world failed you way to go but I really do think something I think the twinkie and the hot dog are kind of neck and neck when it comes to like best American foods or most American foods just for the sheer fact that whenever you think about it’s like people used to tell you that a Twinkie could last in a nuclear Holocaust I was always told that I don’t know and that was a real concern if I was actually like my parents generation my dad took a Blood Oath in case the ruski’s ever invaded that he was going to go to the woods and start shooting that way yeah that’s so fun that’s probably why they said that because it just like came out during that era I don’t know anything about kinky history oh my gosh you want me to tell you right now yeah give me Twinkle so it was invented in 1930 in Illinois oh Great Depression yeah like so Great Depression food um initially it was stuffed with banana cream but then whenever World War II happened World War II references okay they ended up filling it with a white filling we know today and then um they had a really interesting a way that they would deliver the food so so they would actually make it in a factory and a person would physically go and drop it off they never scaled a massive amount until they went bankrupt and then someone bought them out for 410 million dollars and then they started to when was that that they went back up do you know like a rough time period it looks like in 2004 Interstate bakeries filed for chapter 11 bankruptcy because of the low carb Atkins in South Beach but if you just suck the cream out then it’s not bad for you what it’s it’s keto if you suck if you just suck the cream out oh I don’t know no it’s not but I grew up with so many freaking Orange County moms who would go through the internet drive through and they’d be like give me a 3X3 extra cheese animal style or not animal style uh protein yeah the only bad part if you use the bun I’m just like I have a child and I’m internalizing all of these yes ooh the diet culture intersection is important yeah because I’m sure that there was some sort of version of like a low calorie Twinkie I wouldn’t be surprised if someone probably oh my god did they well if there are definitely plans of the works because this is going through the olestra era probably you know about the olestra no this is a very American story so real quick this hey this might be a a ringer in there um so olestra was a brand of chips they were called wow wow yeah WOW chips and they used a uh a brand name chemical called olestra that effectively allowed your body to not digest fat and so it would you would you know eat these delicious fried potato chips and your body wouldn’t recognize the fattest food because I don’t know if it was like hydrolyzed with chlorine molecule something like that um but what goes in must come out yeah so if your body’s not digesting the fats it just passes through you and it was just making people poop their pants and so it’s the ultimate trade-off right like the the white noise dondalillo thing of what is life if you’re not afraid of death it’s like you know water cat what are excess calories if you’re pooping your pants all the time that’s right it’s a monkey’s paw wish and I kind of love that story but Twinkies definitely would have had that if the public didn’t they kept their recipe until until they got bought out in 2004 and they actually extended the shelf life since that’ll be 25 days it was 36 Days what did they do to it I don’t know what did they do to it shoved it with a bunch of malarkey but I will say whenever I think of America I think of a little I think of a little yellow cake and their name is Twinkie it’s got that Shiny Gold it’s got that like a trumpian color you know it’s beautiful then you crack it open you’re like there’s like no cream in here but I love it so much and something about Hostess Cakes are very American too just the way that you can’t stop eating them and like just like gas station culture too I feel like gas stations are a thing also if the food looks good with little Mickey Mouse hands that definitely helps twinkies and hot dogs often you have the freaky little Mickey Mouse hands uh also both are just good like Twinkies from like they go in here they’re easy to eat yeah they did were you gonna say they just fit in your mouth real good um because they’re f-a-l-l-i-c-k yes they’re just easy to eat too you know you just show them in there yeah it’s portability does that have anything to do with it I feel like actually I mean that’s a very American thing to be able to like eats forwarded to other cool really that I mean that’s one does Twinkies have like International versions of um they never I in my research it doesn’t say that they did but they did once they got bought out innovate a lot so they had like the mint chocolate ones that even invented a cereal that’s pretty reset so they were innovating cereal have you tried it it’s good uh no it wasn’t okay okay but I had it and it was it was important to me that and Pandora flakes what are Pandora I’m listening what are Pandora flips Frosted Flakes but Tony the Tiger is Navi oh my God cult e it’s you madam yes sorry I I got really into Avatar I tried to learn navi for a sec you are you no fluid no I’m not fluent I can’t even read the prayers were they blue were the flakes blue the flakes were blue that was really awesome yeah I’ve never seen Avatar one two never seen it sorry even when you see it it feels like you haven’t seen it it’s like poop in your pants it’s like eating the chip and then um can’t relate one I have the strongest digestion not to brag one of the strongest digestive system if anyone ever known two Avatar left a massive impression on me and everyone’s like oh the story is FernGully is Pocahontas yeah it’s like in Harry Potter’s Jesus like are you new we repeat themes throughout storytelling and history this is how we connect Avatar’s a well-told story shut up yeah like you know is Voldemort Satan yeah and then uh Draco Malfoy’s like uh who’s the goat with the the boobies the goat with the boobies correct man I can’t go to enough church I don’t think I stayed long enough to get to the goat with tits yeah I think that’s more of like a Levain Satanism thing you know potato potato I dropped out of church in seventh grade so maybe they get to the sexy parts yeah there’s a lot of sexy parts like that Revelation has some fun stuff in it um speaking of cereal I I was initially gonna say chili as my most American food oh interesting because you have the industrialization element to it uh where canning technology you know um was in like the early 1900s first industrial Cannery in America was in 1908 but um in 1811 it was actually developed for Napoleonic troops which I just think is a fun little historical fact uh food Cannery you know a lot of it to Napoleon and Louis Pasteur I believe um but uh it was you know the idea of America what is it where are the borders where were the borders you know what I mean when like there’s the phrase in like Texas and California like a lot of like Mexican-American families have been here for a long time we’re like we didn’t cross the border the Border across us and so that’s the most fascinating thing about Chile to me is that you see this like transnational migration that wasn’t a migration at all because people just always there eating chili and making it and so it initially comes from like Chile con carne right which is spelled c-h-i-l-e the word for a hot pepper in Spanish actually comes from an indigenous word in the wattle um and uh then in I think it was like 1898 um Americans got their hands on it a dude named Engelhart and he started making the first manufactured mass-produced chili powder of all time cool and sell to Americans even though a lot of the first Americans to go to say the chili Queens of San Antonio in the 1800s and you’re coming off of like all the you know Remember the Alamo propaganda that brought a bunch of tourists to Texas uh and they’re going down there they’re eating the chili con from the chili Queens of San Antonio and then so like white people were like yo we can jump in on this racket we’ll start Mass producing this stuff and then eventually in the early 1900s you get Lyman Davis and his dog what was it it was a pet wolf named Kaiser Bill and they named speaking of folk Heroes though Lyman Davis is pet wolf Kaiser Bill became wolf brand chili to make the first the first mass Market of Chile and then that was just sent all around America and you end up with a big Mexican-American migration to Chicago you get Chicago style chili you get a Macedonian immigrant in Cincinnati who just sees that people are eating spicy red meat slop and he goes we got something similar in Macedonia mama just call this chili and then we get Cincinnati Skyline Chili we have a chili parlor open is my favorite in Green Bay Wisconsin in the early 1900s and this is of course it was all staged at the uh Colombian Exposition in Chicago where everything came from that so much hot dog stuff happened at the Colombian Exposition that’s where the Michael Jackson glove myth came from right yes yes to most BS story of all time um but a little Chili Parlor uh in Green Bay Wisconsin called chili John’s opened a second location where Nicole for big California bourbon California baby and I ate there once and the owner just made a real racist joke that made no sense and they were I tried to order a tamale covered in Chile and he goes you don’t want the tamales today something’s wrong with him and I said what and he goes yeah one person ordered he said something’s wrong with him I was like why didn’t you just say you were out of tamales and he’s like I want to be honest so anyway that was not a racist joke no the reason with Custer and I just didn’t get it what oh yeah I was like it’s really old-timey um but anywhoom so that is why I initially had chili but now I’m saying Corn Flakes whoa I mean I would split the difference and say chili dog because then the history of chili because I knew a little bit of that chili history with um like how Southern California and Mexican hot dogs they’re the same thing but Southern California is like no it’s our hot dog yeah yeah same same relax but I was gonna argue it was it’s this really just it’s what my mom thinks is taco salad but isn’t oh hell it feels very American to me of like I definitely like my coming from I don’t know it’s not really American to be coming from a good place I guess but my mom like genuinely thinks that this thing she makes is taco salad I have time it’s an authentic Mexican dish and I’m just like and she was like yeah I I learned the recipe years ago it’s authentic and and it is the most Jamie what’s in the taco salad what’s in the taco salad thing is I love it it’s I think it’s good but it is it has nothing to do with anything tacos or salad so yes exactly great um so here’s what you do you get a bag of the red Doritos okay you open it a little let the air out then you start punching It in America yeah uh you get it not down to like a you know but make them smaller um pour that in the bowl then you’re going to want to fry up a half a pound of hamburger more if you’re feeling you know protein you know we need more hormones in our diet a lot oh yeah a lot of the cheapest hamburger then a full bag of Mexican cheese my mom’s like it’s authentic it’s Mexican and then and then an entire bottle of Catalina salad dressing cattle Molina it can be served hot or cold very very Mexican yes wait sorry run back it’s I’m sorry no I’ve never been dumbfounded by this guy right we we have a whole section we talked about this earlier where people write in their craziest hottest food takes and they’re always like things that they make when they’re you know hungry when they’re High when they’re desperate whatever this is the wildest thing I’ve ever heard it’s different when it’s in front of you yeah in person I can see your face your face how excited you are about it and I just wanna it’s I really love I mean it truly reminds me I was like oh it was a simpler time when this was delicious oh my gosh is there anything on top that you put like anything no no no no no no what do you want like no you can like salt wait Doritos ground beef Catalina dressing what am I missing and uh the bag of cheese Mexican blend cheese right yes yes three cheese three cheese Mexican blend yeah do you like do you are you familiar with Catalina dressing yeah it’s just right it’s like red corn syrup is it like French dressing it’s French but minus any of the other things there’s no there’s no creaminess there’s no emulsification all right it’s like it’s literally it’s corn syrup with like salt and tomato powder in it it’s incredible it’s like a salad dressing yeah yeah but I don’t think anyone under the age is I grew up with it and I think like I don’t know if it’s like more popular in New England or if my parents are just old or like what the deal is but anytime I have a bottle of it people are like oh I hate this then they’re like what is this and then they’re like I hate this yeah um yeah I made a bowl of it as a way to like try to like connect with my boyfriend at the time I’m like this is the flavor of my Youth and he’s like I really I can’t even smell it I can’t like I can’t be close to this I disagree are you guys still together no okay okay that’s the same boyfriend from the book uh no that guy that was a long-term relationship he could he could he could take the the taco salad got past the taco salad stage especially during like lockdown I was making a lot of the taco salad because I was just like I need to feel something yeah uh I mean hot dog sales Spike during okay that was a big thing like popcorn and hot dog which really really enough that was also during the Great Depression popcorn and hot dog sales exploded wow and they also exploded during the pandemic so I mean like Comfort Foods in times of strife and because like President Trump was like we refused to shut down any meat plant or make sure anyone is safe and everyone’s reading that so they just kept pumping out the hot dogs yeah so many people got sick but we don’t have to talk about that today it was really horrible I love how we started by meeting each other by going no covid and raising our hands yeah we still test we’re responsible we do we do still test Corn Flakes were invented by a religious Deli who wanted people to stop masturbating and gave people yogurt enemas that’s pretty big Mr Kellogg again South Mr gallagh and then his brother corporate in corporate Intrigue one sexy who said Yogurt enemas two corporate entries nothing sexy about a yogurt enema sorry what do you think I hope you got that I hope you don’t though Maggie cut it for the love of God and then his brother his brother steals the recipe from him and then starts a competing brand which becomes not post General Mills I didn’t know that and a patient of Dr Kellogg’s uh he stole the recipe again but tried to form a grain-based coffee equivalent called postum that became post so like Kellogg’s post and then I think it’s General Mills it could be another one um they all just came from no it was Kellogg’s brother sued him for the rights to Kellogg but so Kellogg’s imposed and the brothers stealing the recipe corporate Intrigue yeah that’s all tied to like yeah like puritanical like commanding your but Kellogg also had like a I mean he had only bad opinions I’m pretty sure yeah he was like oh this the sacredness of a woman’s body like he had a lot of restricting like restrictive there you go Nicole thoughts on him I think so scary I think what we have to decide now is what the most American food is and I have I have a Roundup it’s not a food it’s a meal it is a bowl of corn flakes oh god oh no a bowl of Corn Flakes with whole milk a chili dog and a Twinkie for dessert I think I think those three things together is the most American thing oh but what you got to do is you got to put um a flag in it you got to put a US flag and then sing the national anthem which as we all know is the International Players Anthem by UGK Nicole made me promise that I wouldn’t say that but I’m freaking it out because it’s true it should be it should be I I think if if we’re boiling down has your mind changed at all on the the most American food have you been sweet I I I I’m I’m willing to concede chili dog over just an old hot dog because I feel like that takes a lot of other additional boxes like colonialism yeah yeah and like yeah I I’m I think chili dog Twinkie is a great one though because it’s like Twinkies it should just be an honorable man it’s got a you know it’s got a unified mascot which I like yeah someone I can believe it yeah yeah he’s got a cowboy hat on yeah nothing’s more American than yee-haw I just want to shove a hot dog inside a Twinkie have we done that before we can later today you do yeah that would work right well it would need to be kind of a narrow hot dog we’ll make it happen Okay the slim ones the Virginia Slims the hot dogs still my favorite and Costco CEO I will kill you if you don’t bring back Hebrew national hot dogs that was not a threat against your life that was a call back doesn’t you threatened you I would like to eat the Hebrew national hot dogs at Costco as well foreign Nicole and Jamie we’ve heard what you and I have to say now it’s time to find out what other wacky ideas are rattling out there in the universe it’s time for a second we call opinions are like casseroles [Music] I’m just letting you cook right now man you’re the songstress of a generation you got the voice of an angel thank you so much that’s the best compliment you’ve ever given me hey this is Brian from Michigan uh big fan I can’t take credit for this uh this half but when I was bartending an old lady came in and uh ordered a BLT with a side of lettuce and then she then put the side of lettuce on top of the sandwich when she went to bite it so it did not hurt for the roof of her mouth oh I’ve shared this with many people over my life and everyone’s mind has been blown okay oh okay okay that’s smart that’s just smart um I feel like um this is a good argument for everyone having access to dental care because I have gum disease and I can’t eat bun me it’s too damn sharp I can’t like I can’t eat it it makes my mouth bleed I I see myself in her I feel seen by that anecdote as a fellow member of the soft tethered Community as I have just a bunch of problems and I’ll tell you we have good dental insurance I still won’t go it’s just too much childhood memories of bad things I have great teeth all your friends are dentists you’re like nine dentist friends what yeah all my friends are dentists and I go to one every every now and then so I don’t overload one of them and yeah I don’t I don’t have dental insurance from work by the way I need to infiltrate your friend wait you straight up didn’t you opted sorry this is the insular stuff Jamie yeah you opted out of our dental insurance because you have so many dentist friends yep you’re saying that’s like it’s like nine dollars a month now you don’t have to pay it you know what I can do with those nine dollars a month [Laughter] you’re Felix just don’t toast your bread just you don’t need to toast your bread I don’t like I don’t know it’s toasted bread but it might be because of my teeth issues was gonna say I kind of like it when my BLT isn’t that toasty I kind of like it on like one side of it it’s toasted and the other side is soft red has already been cooked I like I like my blt’s not that toasty you don’t need to test it but I don’t like when a sandwich is too wet um you’re talking to the wrong guy I ate I made a Philly roast pork sandwich at home uh this weekend and I just you know dipped the pork in the Jew and just shoved it in there wrapped in foil let it sit for a while I wanted to watch the basketball game and so I’m sitting on the couch and I put a full-size towel over mine you’re proud of yourself you’re proud of yourself I was like a plate it’s gonna splatter a bowl that’s weird then I have to clutch my knees and so I just put each towel yeah look at your life look at your choices yeah thank you so much and I just threw it in the wash immediately afterwards with the rest of my laundry covered in pork juice I do think the fact that it’s the lettuces on top is a little bit jarring like at first glance but I can get over it like the third or fourth time someone does it it’s not the first texture I want in my mouth there’s something a little bit like Multiverse serious about that where if you walk into a bar and there’s an old woman eating a BLT in the wrong order you’re like I’ve stumbled into a universe I don’t that’s very true a sentient toaster is the president hi Josh and Nicole so this is a question about coffee which is not food so I have a Discord that I’m in and my friends and I were talking one night about uh coffee and they said coffee doesn’t hydrate you and I said that’s not necessarily true because I mean it does you know maybe dehydrate you have so many things in ways but it has water in it because it is water it’s made with water and then they started dog piling on me coffee is not water it’s coffee um but it’s made by using water and making a solution using coffee grounds so like steak is awesome coffee water you know is water put through coffee still water or is it something else are there molecules in there yeah anyway I just want the torbet to end thank you lay off the coffee dude I think um may I take this really quickly I have a lot of fun sure I have a lot of thoughts as a person who who tries to you know I exercise regularly it’s good for mental and physical health and I try and keep myself hydrated but I also need to consume caffeine uh or I’ll physically get the shakes because this is where I’m at okay coffee is neither food nor drink it’s medicine it’s a drug right it’s a joke okay it’s a drug uh in the world round has used caffeine as a drug um for thousands of years um when you say coffee there’s no one essential thing you’re talking about right you get a venti blonde Rose from Starbucks that has 420 milligrams of caffeine 400 is the daily toxicity level that FDA recommends right so that’s insane but there’s also 24 ounces of water you get say um a Vietnamese coffee right that’s probably gonna have about 100 milligrams of caffeine but it’s going to be in like a three ounce thing you get a shot of espresso it’s maybe an ounce and a half and a 70 milligrams of caffeine so what you really need to balance is total water amount versus caffeine level because caffeine is a diuretic it bleeds you of water anybody who’s drink a venti blonde dress from Starbucks and just pissed buckets afterwards knows that and so that is physical dehydration so dark piss and I don’t know if this is just me but it smells like coffee coming out yeah right that’s a real thing yes the devil’s kiss decaf coffee for instance you’re right it is a majority water but it’s the caffeine in there that’s really going to um in bodybuilding they call it dry you out right and so first conversation so if you have a very weekly brewed cup of coffee there’s a good chance that it can hydrate you however standard American drip coffee which is a caffeine bomb that people from any other part of the world are just absolutely disgusted yeah as they should be um America is the most I’m sorry coffee’s the most American but if you think of like drinking an Americana right which is a shot of espresso plus a certain amount of water you’re correct in that sense that you are just taking a shot of espresso and then hydrating yourself with 12 ounces of water but the strength of that brew and the caffeine level um including the roast on the beans the darker roast has less caffeine so it’s going to dehydrate you less too many confounding variables but God stop tormenting him well the hell is Discord I can’t tell if it’s Discord or the gallon of coffee you drink before calling I can only empathize I wish I’m the best is the worst Burger chain Five Guys yeah um all of their food is extremely Bland and I don’t like it um majority of my family is obsessed with it and I have sets Academy out of the house therefore I’m living under a cardboard box but I will continue to live off of McDonald’s burgers for the rest of my life before I agreed another podcast Burger thanks you gotta respect the man of principal I love that we just found out that voicemail I thought guys I really like that accent the vibe of that voicemail was that at once he hung up he threw it I was like I’m done um I agree I don’t like Five Guys I think it costs too much money and the food is wet oh well that’s the only part about Five Guys that I do love is I keep a beach towel in my car yeah I didn’t towel I’ve never enjoyed a Five Guys burger but maybe I’m ordering it wrong you don’t need to put that on yourself people it can just be their fault yeah I feel like they’re I’ve seen a lot of viral tick tocks about the cheeseburger grilled cheese being good yeah they they famously don’t salt their burger patties like straight up they as a corporate it’s like how Olive Garden doesn’t salt pasta water that’s why I don’t know I don’t know why like Olive Garden doesn’t salt their pasta water because they said it would corrode the pans earlier and they’re working on Slim margins all the labor lawsuits too those are eating up what could have been used for salt but yeah um but no I’ve I’ve never loved Five Guys I think does a few things really well it’s cooked really really fresh they give me free peanuts and I love yeah there’s peanuts there the fries are cooked fresh even though I don’t think they’re good it’s you know the same thing as Internet it’s hot they’re also yeah they’re good yeah but it is very very wet which I love because they wrap it in foil so there’s literally no right what other Burger chain wraps in foil none that I know if it’s normally in the little diaphanous paper yeah the paper that’s gonna let moisture at right especially someone who’s been watching Carnival Road just watching Cara deleving’s Wings slap around for the last two weeks um anywhoom uh yeah not a big Five Guys Frozen I used it I was like a big option for like high school dates um when I was in school and it was um yeah you could go to Five Guys and now because there was like a good sitting area you could eat a wet burger with someone you’d like or if you could if someone really liked you you could maybe talk them into driving you the half hour to Wahlburgers no way hamburgers where the food is also overpriced and not very good um but interesting but you get to be in the aura of Donnie all of them all of them they’re all involved all Five Guys yeah all of them have a little bit of money in it yeah I don’t watch the show sorry laughs oh an enchilada is a burrito can you play that again she just escaped she left and then she watches I thought she was getting murdered I thought it was a found footage they went like this I thought it was like no no and then they covered their mouth to like compose themselves and then they said their opinion okay I know because I understand that kind of reaction and human emotion yeah I understand it could have been also her waking up in the middle of the night I don’t think so I gotta call the hotline uh what’d you say an enchilada is a sandwich is a burrito uh okay sure yeah it’s baked in a dish that’s the only difference it’s not actually a traditional enchiladas they’re not I’m sorry man slay an enchilada is that you real quick let me do it go ahead let me do a traditional enchiladas are are most often not baked in a dish um it is literally the tortillas are fried put in the chili putting the chili sauce and then they’re rolled up you know why I don’t like enchiladas too wet dude you have food they’re good you’re just gonna get past them we’re gonna talk about chili dogs all day if you don’t love wet Foods I like I know but if if the if there’s good bun infrastructure on a chili dog then you can really like handle it you know you can handle it I want I want the bun infrastructure to be stressed though like the dykes in Amsterdam that feels weird never talked about hamburgers what’s wrong with us what you the dyches in Amsterdam is fine don’t worry about it feels so messy I don’t know dyches in Amsterdam is fine yeah God why do we talk about hamburgers at all during the Pod oh it’s kind of like slightly less in Hot Dogs oh okay whatever sorry right sorry an enchilada is a burrito I agree it’s traditionally made with corn tortillas and you can’t get corn tortillas burrito and I kind of disagree with that okay no no maybe you can with like I’m thinking about American Betty Crocker as enchiladas okay I’m sorry that’s where my mind is and she loves the flour tortillas don’t taste right they simply don’t taste right It’s gotta be corn ER Nicole we can have irreconcilable differences it’ll get settled divorce terms with me I’m saying be sad we’re not even buried there’s no such thing as a happy marriage ending in divorce oh [Laughter] hey Josh and Nicole this is Andre from San Jose yeah I don’t know if this was the Mandela effect but remember how they would have those crap singles commercials and they would show things that you could put them on and one of them I remember was a uh chicken drumstick on a grill no way I don’t know if I’m crazy but I remember seeing that as a kid and I did it and it’s one of the most amazing things in the world and I keep doing it that until uh today so I just wanted to hear your thoughts on that I do I feel like the Mandela effect has to have a certain Mass Appeal to it yeah you know what I mean yeah everyone thought this a single serving Mandela effect I definitely believe it same I haven’t tried it we would definitely put craft singles on things people put craft singles on hot dogs or underwear yeah look craft singles on just about anything so this makes a lot of sense to me uh I grew up just eating you take like this is the only time we ever ate fresh vegetables it was like broccoli that was freshly steamed no salt or nothing and you just put it on the table and then put a single craft American single in there and it would drape over it would the steam would just cause it you watch it was like a time lapse of a flower blooming you know just lovingly caressing melting craft singles is like one of the more sensual Foods up there with uh over easy eggs yes yes we were just like there’s a certain something if you pair the two together [Laughter] this sounds very Korean sounds very Korean to me yeah is it a baked drums do you say Grill is it on the grill yeah I mean like it makes sense in like Korean barbecue when you have like a little container of cheese and you can put it on like the meat but like no I feel like Korea and Japan right now are like pioneering new ways to add cheese to things right in the way that like that’s you know cheese cheese foam tea was sort of like you know exported back here um you go to a lot of Korean barbecue spots now and they’ll bring your thing of melt the cheese and like wrap it around the chicken for you Korean uh cream corn dogs are half sausage I love those yeah so much mid they shift mid dog yeah it’s thrilling when you find it you’re like oh it’s all gone now new experience they’re also sprinkled in Sugar typically right yeah it’s potato so so it’s the corn dog and then it’s potato and then it’s sugar and it’s not like typical granulated sugar it’s like a little bit bigger than sanding sugar yeah yeah yeah oh the most American food isn’t American at all it’s Korean it’s the Korean corn dog fine we did it we did it we found it also the part that doesn’t even have to do with the first part of the podcast one thing Utah I we’re supposed to wrap but like I’m fascinated by the fact that I’m it’s we don’t have any indigenous roots in our food systems that like sort of still ended up as Americana right like very little in Mexico yeah all over you talk about like you know uh corn tortillas have been around for like 10 000 years which is incredible um but corn dogs cornbread corn staple crops in the Americas sure you know root rooted in like you know the history of enslaved people cooking in the South you know still a big soul food thing sure batter a hot dog in it sell it at Muscle Beach to a bunch of greased up gorillas you know I mean that’s pretty American it is that’s my final stand that’s my final stand Jamie so much thinking to be podcast for now exact yes very good book big one hot dog book all done all done all done bye-bye I I know that exact emotions um seriously thank you so much for being on the podcast everybody check out raw dog wherever books are sold probably I just yeah that sounded right wherever but get it from your local bookstore that’s friendly that’s right Bezos don’t need more money nope gotta shine that head up more see you all next time or do we have like a more outro thing to do we have three intros and seven outros and thank you for listening to a hot dog as a sandwich we got new Audio Only episodes every Wednesday in the video version over on Friday and if you want to be featured on opinions or like casseroles you can hit us up on our hotline 833 dog pod one okay you don’t have to do that anyway but no that’s that entices people I will say it actually does the exact opposite I don’t think so agree to disagree are we done [Music]