Josh why are you looking under your cups like that secret messages Nicole there’s secret messages under every in and out cup and if I read enough of them I can finally find the buried treasure from internet founder Harry Snyder you gotta join me in the quest sorry I have plans after this that’s just another Bible verse this is a hot dog is a sandwich ketchup is a smoothie yeah I put ice in my cereal so what that makes no sense hot dog is a sandwich a hot dog is a sandwich Welcome to our podcast of hot dogs the sandwich I’m your host Josh sharer and I’m your host Nicole anaiety and we’re internet chefs over at Good Mythical Morning in the mythical kitchen channels when we’re not cooking up fancy in and out hamburgers Nicole we are right here breaking down the world’s biggest food debates wow Josh that’s so true so true king so choking I hate the way that the Millennials have made us all speak I know it’s horrible it’s horrific the whole thing this whole podcast is about uh in and out versus Shake Shack can I tell you something do you have to it feels like apples to oranges I’m gonna be honest what do you mean apples oranges no this is like a Honeycrisp apple sugar bee Apple do people recognize those apples or am I just I’m like I recognize those yeah we’re Apple hype beasts no you’re an apple hypebeast I’m through osmosis an Apple fan yeah it’s like how I only know what sneakers exist because of V yeah people only know what apples exist because of me bro I was in Whole Foods the day the cosmic crisp apple dropped wow I’ve been following that marketing plan freaking Pullman Washington dude 30 mil behind the marketing machine on that huge worked on for like 20 years crossbreed between the honeycris and the Enterprise anyways the point is these are very similar products that can absolutely be compared and they’re very similar for a lot of reasons they’re different for a lot of reasons they’re different for a lot of reasons but so are apples but these but these these guys I don’t feel like it’s fair I feel like you’re you’re judging a burger joint over like a fast casual restaurant can we compare apples and oranges I feel like you can’t that’s been such an idiomatic expression I’m a fan of comparing apples are better oranges are better you have to peel an orange you have to peel a lot better they taste better but you have to be but that’s the point the point is we can have an efficacious debate despite the fact that they’re different I feel right that’s fair fair we can have an efficacious debate right here let’s get efficacious so the reason I love talking about Shake Shack versus in and out is because they have really similar not backgrounds because in and out was founded in 1948 Baldwin Hills like it’s a contemporary of McDonald’s totally but the fact that people even think to compare it to Shake Shack speaks to how tight they were with their branding their expansion method all that type of stuff yeah the reason I say they’re a little bit similar is because in and out is the ultimate West Coast Burger absolutely they did not open an In-N-Out location outside of the Los Angeles metropolitan area until 1990. which is crazy Richard which is absolutely crazy to me they had no they had no desire to do so they just couldn’t find the demand what was it uh they were very very protective about their quality and their brand so in and out has a lot of protections around totally some people it’s like the Trader Joe’s effects where they make a really good product and they’re small enough to where people like this is healthy all Trader Joe’s things are organic I had somebody tell me they’re like well Internet only uses organic products false I’m not sure you can’t make an organic hamburger for like three or two dollars impossible but they do enough good things to make people think that right so all their produce comes from within 24 hours I will say their produce is some of the best produce the best yeah I will say the crunch is undeniable mmm crunchy cold lettuce yeah onions are always just like beautifully crisp the tomatoes are always red and always red it’s right it’s not you go to a Burger King or a mass Market fast food chain and you’re getting like that white tomato that’s just mushy yeah that never happens that never happens here they’re always pretty well constructed and that’s because they have like very very strict training methodologies which I love same they pay their men their managers are all making six figures I believe that’s a real statistic scenario I think the majority of them do a majority of them um so in and out has a very very strong corporate culture and that’s why I actually want to get an In and Out Tattoo because I respect the fact that they did not out kick their coverage right do you think you can get free in and out with an In-N-Out tattoo is that why you’re doing it I’m guessing not because in the intro we talked about the Bible verses there’s a Bible verse I don’t know is it the same one on the bottom of every in and out cup I don’t know is there one down here Proverbs 3 5. I think it was so it’s still a family-owned company the Snyder family Lindsay Snyder I believe is their current president um and they have a very very strong I believe born again Christian uh background so I don’t know if tattoos are like chill with a born-again Christian Community I don’t know if they’re like the cool youth pastors that have like a tattoo of a cross or know a weird amount of Christians that have Hebrew tattoos yeah me too do you do you want to know what Proverbs Proverbs 3 5 is I would love to what is it okay trust in the Lord with all your heart and mean not on your own understanding what does that mean Nicole lean not on your own understanding for all the understanding you need is contained within the animal style french fries now available for 3.49 your local in and out location well how do you feel about Shake Shack so Shake Shack on the other hand to me is the ultimate East Coast Burger yeah this is just Biggie versus Tupac is what you’re trying this is Biggie versus Tupac but this is like if Tupac were like uh a 65 year old man okay you know what I mean because in and out is so much older than Shake Shack Shake Shack started as a hot dog cart in 2001 by Danny Meyer Danny Meyer who was was a Union Square Hospital Square Cafe was his like first auction I believe yeah yeah he uh Danny Meyer is a restaurateur who has written books about the industry Big Ben right like he’s considered the preeminent sort of Godfather of modern Hospitality um and Shake Shack is now his real real money maker uh started as a hot dog cart in 2001 to 2004 they opened the full service restaurant and then eventually in 2010 they would open their first one outside of New York City that’s awesome in Miami and then now Shake Shack is it’s becoming like the fancy mole Burger yeah I always get uh I try to get Shake Shack whenever I go to the airport if there’s a Shake Shack in an airport I’m gonna get it yeah it’s a great listen to anything else there’s actually a really good article just to diverge real quick it was a really cool article about all these restaurants that we think are cool are now just becoming Mall restaurants oh like Shake Shack’s a great example our kids are gonna think Shake Shack is so stupid because they’re like that’s just the crappy mall like they’re gonna view Shake Shack as we’ve used something 100 I’m a sabaro fan at some point I mean it’s perfectly fine um at some point Sbarro is probably cool maybe I don’t know I’m just saying tomorrow I mean when you were Orange Julius cinnabon’s a great example yeah yeah you know a wetzel’s pretzel that used to be exciting and now you’re like oh God they’ve just been sitting there for nine hours and I’m gonna get them I’m gonna get the pepperoni grease from the pizza pretzel on the Zara clothes yeah and feel like these Zara employees already hate me so I’m just not you know I will say one thing I will say one thing these guys in and out guys they do burgers really really well but the shake Shacks do Burgers a little bit less well but they do other things just as good but if you is a burger joint what is more important to you the burger or anything else but the thing is like no actually when how much do you weight it like wait what what percentage of your enjoyment of in an outer Shake Shack is dependent on how good the burger is like try and put a number on it uh like a 7.5 so 75 of your enjoyment is the burger and then you’re getting let’s say 19 from fries six percent from a drink I don’t do milkshakes I’m not a big milkshake person I’m lactose intolerant I just I don’t understand milkshakes like with a meal like I love milkshakes it’s like a midday treat Standalone yeah with like with like meat yeah it’s really weird the thought of eating it together makes you want to vomit unless I’m at Johnny Rockets then I’m like I’m from the 50s you know what I mean I should have done a whole podcast about Johnny Rockets we will we will it is the greatest restaurant oh don’t get me started about Johnny Rockets and my metal head brother worked there yeah with just the long greasy metal a lot of room to trap hair in there okay so 75 of here enjoying it is the Burger they’re like does it really matter that much if in and outs fries suck no I I don’t care about the fries and I always get my fries Well Done Damn and some people get them David gets them like well but for me the fries aren’t the the star the burger is the star and I respect the fact that the burger is a star of The Burger Joint but again I’m saying this is it’s not fair to compare them 100 because Shake Shack has so many other things they have chicken they have hot dogs they have tons of stuff in there what are you doing oh that’s a hamburger look at the side look at this all the sides yeah but they’re very small the hamburger is literally nine times bigger than each other I get that they’re staking their name on their burger It’s gotta be a better Burger than in and out to me to be compared like the fries or whatever let’s talk about fries let’s get this out of the way okay our In-N-Out fries good no do communion Wafers taste good no but you’re eating God in both um and that’s the point I closed my laptop well yeah okay do you want to eat each fry and compare or is it not worth it I already know it but yeah I’ll eat the fries can we give me one of the in the Shake Shack fries yeah yeah okay yeah Shake Shack fries are better Frozen crinkle cut on a bias people love these oh so wait this is a good fry it’s a good fries my favorite intentionally Nostalgia mongering with the crinkle cut yeah you know and then in and out I respect the I don’t like the fries but I respect the fries the fries are like Tom Brady I hate Tom Brady but I respect them I don’t care about sports I don’t know how many times I have to shove it in your face I don’t care about sports even for one month I don’t know like Celine do you know who’s it good Celine Dion um it’s a Zeon not Dion Celine Dion Celine Dion okay now I have a quality of the ugliest language in the world go ahead what is quebecois oh is that Canadian French it’s the ugliest language in the world have you ever heard King of the Hill dubbed in quebecois I’m sorry no oh my God no you would we have seen the same viral videos no we haven’t actually I’ll show you uh chemical King of the Hill let me tell you I agree with you on the in and out french fry front but this the in and out animal style fries are better than the cheese fries yeah wait that’s right you agree that’s a great Point 100 all right so in and out fries give me in and out right oh okay or is that give me a handful so these are frozen pre-bag fries that they are just dropping yeah in a fryer right which is a pretty good way to make fries even the best way to make from even from like an actual culinary perspective yeah Frozen to fry steam in the middle you get that you get the the crust on the outside when you fried at a high temperature in and out fries are pound for pound the worst fries in the game but it’s for a sacrificial reason that I respect because they cook all of them fresh what they do they take a whole ass potato Nicole they put it in like a potato Crusher it’s incredible the batonies the potatoes right into the oil they are showing you they’re putting their entire heart on their sleeve they’re saying we are doing this fresh we know this is not going to create the best product we know it is not the most efficient but we want to show you to know where your potatoes are coming from how they are being fried and that is the in and out ethos that is the sacrificial lamb Agonist day for their Christian in and out Born Again Hearts Nicole that lets you know you are in good hands yeah but it’s just a performance it’s performance art yeah it’s like uh TSA yeah oh damn it but what’s the point I thought these fries suck they’re really bad fries like like they are bad fries but what’s the what is the the performative nature of of slicing the fries in front of us doesn’t do anything for me right I could have I could totally if they did the same thing froze them and then did them later I would respect them more because they’re giving me a better product oh that’s smart so you see them slicing it out front so like you know the grandmas who want to go in and feel good about how they’re doing at the old school way but then you’re flying in the stuff in the back you know who does that who there’s a restaurant that does that um in Austin Texas there’s a very famous barbecue restaurant called the Salt Lake the Salt Lick the Salt Lake you go into the salt like it’s like the Disneyland barbecue start off as a small legit open pit operation but now it seats like 9 million people and everyone’s just hammered drunk outside and glued in this guy playing Horseshoes and and cornhole but they have this big open pit you see all the meat hanging from that’s like two percent of the meat that the restaurant serves yeah the rest of it is being smoked in an off-site Factory that’s what I’m saying trucked in and they’re hacking it up that’s the way to do it I understand the internet has integrity and that they want to show that they’re doing things fresh and in front of you but what’s the point like if people are gonna have responses like that and like you know if you’re just gonna get constantly like poo pooed on because your friends around how about you show people that you are doing it but you’re just gonna you know save it for later that’s what I would do I would come in to In and Out and I would tell them to do that and I’d be like you’re probably better and people will stop saying your fries suck neither of us are necessarily marketing professionals but we could be and we’re also the smartest people I’ve ever met you really think so what do you think the benefits or drawbacks would be of in and out say doing that slice some potatoes fresh but then freezing and frying them to actually make good fries I think it’s the best idea in the world because I mean headlines Galore right everybody would write about that they get millions upon billions of Impressions yeah but that is also the first level of the decline of the Roman Empire no I’m saying that’s honestly run well let me tell you they’ve already changed pepperoncinos they were tiny they were delicious and now they’re sliced they’re sliced it angers me on like another level yeah I want to just bite I want to bite this chili and I want to put the juice on the french fries and that’s really yummy I love the way those chilies explode in your mouth yeah but I can’t do it anymore that away from me so what they should do instead of buy another fruit and then bring back the chilies please the cracks in the wall have already started I know all right let’s talk about let’s talk about the burgers So In and Out Burger uh it is like a it’s just like a white hamburger bun it’s toasted very very well you I get my bun well done I I never asked for it I just I don’t have like a complicated in and out order don’t what is it I kind of do uh so I actually prefer a single Cheeseburger um and I go onions two ways which means grilled and raw okay uh sometimes I used to go whole grilled and I used to add chopped chilies but now simple cheeseburger onions two ways boom if I’m really feeling frisky I’ll get animal fries yeah and then I’ll get a Diet Coke and put a splash of pink lemonade in there nice um and that’s my move and I got a side to catch up and a side of spread which is a thousand island and I love spread actually I was gonna say it’s the best in the game Shake Shacks version of thousand island is better honestly it’s really good it is better but again they had 42 more years to practice yeah that’s true that’s true they they in and out Ran So Shake Shack could run slightly faster yeah no let me tell you no no in and out they bring they still innovate you know they had the hot chocolate launch that was a big deal and people love the hot chocolate yeah and if you’re a kid you get no there’s no worst drink in the world with a hamburger than a hot chocolate yeah what about a milkshake milkshake’s better cause Elise is gold okay yeah that’s where the key is when it’s cold outside I get it and I’ve been through the drive through to get a milkshake or get a hot chocolate after the beach I will say that the Buns stop eating the fries I will say the buns at Shake Shack are phenomenal they’re squishy they’re so are they Martin’s potato rolls they’re Martin’s potato rolls so you have like let’s go let’s go bun for bun so a well-toasted normal ass white hamburger bun that is split into two pieces right because uh Shake Shack does the opposite Martin’s potato roll is lightly toasted hinged bun at the back which I don’t think I enjoy oh the paper’s the hinge and the bun um I kind of respect it because when you eat it pushes down yeah so I kind of like the fact that it’s hinged but then you get the burger that’s like sticking out like it’s hung it doesn’t do that no because they front load it that’s not true they front load it Amber it’s over look at this let’s see this damn thing let’s look at it don’t you see it’s front loaded it’s loaded in the front what the hell is this what the hell is it it’s front loaded and front loaded I don’t want I want the bun to be symmetrical you’re asking too much what do you mean asking too about the internet does it that’s not where it is like this to me is is so much more pleasant it is it is more pleasant I know what I mean I understand where you’re coming from yeah but uh come on I like it I like the bun more I like the bun so you’re getting a softer cakeier bun at Shake Shack yeah here it’s a little bit crustier and especially with the hard toast I don’t love Martin’s potato rolls and has nothing to do with their bad politics I do um no no I like the I don’t even know what their politics are just like their bread I think they just support uh conservative candidates because they’re a big business don’t worry does it and then I’ll do that too yeah definitely of course every what big businesses are going to support the lack of regulations yes welcome to how the world Works um but anyways I don’t love the cakiness of it to me it’s too sweet like I love a good King’s Hawaiian Roll but when it comes to a burger I want a neutral bun and I want it well toasted I give the advantage of in and out but I understand if people don’t and I think most people wouldn’t how about the meat quality meat quality in and out I believe gets most of the meat from Harris Ranch I think Shake Shack has better meat Shake Shack has better meat so Shake Shack is a proper Smash Burger proper burgers are a quarter pound at In and Out Burgers are an eighth of a pound ever you get a double double it’s still significantly cheaper than a Shake Shack Burger totally and you’re getting two pieces of cheese because that’s what in and out is known for right it’s a double double yeah like the burgers are still nice and crusty but it’s not like a Smash Burger you’re not forcing the mired reaction no no but then you get the two slices of cheese that Steam from the burger meat in there yeah yeah but as a whole Burger experience what do you think is the Better Burger experience as a whole I unequipped Nicole I am wearing an athletic wear beanie I am wearing a t-shirt from an all-girl Indie band I am wearing Vans with no socks I’m a Southern California man through and through Nicole I will die before I pledge allegiance to Shake Shack over here no I’m the same I think in and out is the most incredible Burger but I do respect Shake Shack for having a really good chicken options have you ever had chicken options what the hell are we talking about chicken options have you ever had their little chicken nuggets they’re so good as somebody who grew up with a lot of Indian Americans near a lot of in and outs I will tell you in and out is the best place for a vegetarian and you’ll say they do not have any vegetarian options on the menu but they do the grilled cheese the grilled cheese I love the grilled cheese grilled cheese Josh I’m trying to make shakes I feel wanted the french fries in the grilled cheese that’s called Monkey Style I mean chicken no that’s okay so it is called monkey salad food Beast made up it was fake yeah shout out to Eli thanks a lot Eli you liar yeah they actually got a lot of hate for them they’re like you’re supposed to be journalists and he was like I don’t know I’m literally just surviving um condiments Shake Shack sauce is a little bit better but I want to talk about chicken well what are you talking about chickens it’s white meat it should be dark meat and it’s it’s hard to cook white meat consistently unless that unless you are processing it really hard let me speak sweet the batter on the chicken is phenomenal and the fact that you can get it at the same place you can get a burger it’s great because it gives people options if they don’t eat red meat and I think it’s really yummy are you drinking milkshakes without me oh it’s so stupid how much better Shake Shack she is oh my gosh I will say shake Shacks Shake Shacks Milkshake game is Bar None no not even Johnny Rockets can hold a candle I will have a sippy oh shoot um it’s more yellow in and out as somebody who has an incredibly high tolerance for chemicals and food whatever is in the In-N-Out milkshake freaks me the hell out because it melts thick and warm melted ice cream should not be that thick it should when ice cream melts the texture should change it does not change in this only the temperature it stays thick it’s there’s I don’t know the ingredients in it I would be willing to guess there’s a bunch of guar gums Anthem gum all that sure and it’s not from an ethical perspective or a health perspective that I give a fly-in Shi double hockey sticks it’s just to me tastes really bad like oh God it’s a bit melted because we’re under the lights and doing a podcast can I tell you the truth yeah that’s Shake Shack milkshake was like the most positive endorphins I’ve had in like a month same oh my God oh my God there’s like salt in there yeah are you smiling from this milkshake I’m smiling from the end I’ve never seen anything that good in my life what the hell I want to bathe let’s see shoot do you want to eat this hamburger yeah you go first okay I will say their tomatoes are always smaller produce green leaf lettuce ass yeah yeah it is ass lettuce number 15. lettuce [Laughter] let me get it I’m not so good it’s pretty yeah it is good I know it’s good I make a good hamburger yum delicious delicious I’m about to say something that I’ll probably regret it is very controversial let us let it Let It Fly Joshi the point of a hamburger is not the meat it could be almost anything it’s the whole experience hamburgers are meant to be made with like crappy beef right of course the beef is there to be like a little bit of sustenance yeah you even look like it was the Mississippi slug Burger is that the which one is that it’s like 30 beef 70 cornmeal made during the Great Depression yes I saw Emmy made in Japan made it yeah yeah Japan made it um really cool history behind it but the point is like this to me is is almost too high of a beef to other things ratio I understand exactly what you’re saying and I’m kind I need to taste in and out to confirm and I’ll eat like a no produce Burger of course like I still love just a plain cheese meat sauce or whatever and that’s like a really popular format right now but for a fast food burger like bro I want the double lettuce I want the crunch or I want the double tomato I want the the double the difference you know what I mean no I want it to ooze sauce like this yeah I get it I totally get it it’s exciting for me it is it’s it’s a better looking burger for sure it’s also a better experience I feel like also there’s nothing like going to In and Out like it’s like you know it’s like 11 p.m you’re out partying with the homies you find the the little swoosh um life makes sense um I’m rising my own pleasure like a character in an Anne Rice romance novel shout out to anyone who gets to that reference I went through an Anne Rice phase I was on the back of 50 Shades and I was like you know it is good and rice actually came out in support of uh El James eating experience remember the back does that change your perspective at all I love in and out so much do we have to like really uncover our own biases here please wipe your mouth Josh Maggie please wipe your fingers for typing that how dare you I’m go I like how I wiped it right before I go back in I am finding myself leaning towards Josh be civil oh yeah what the heck I’m talking about I find myself reaching for the Shake Shack Burger more because it tastes more burglary what do you mean more Burger let’s listen back that let’s unpack that what does burglary mean to you I can taste the meat and cheese are married in a very delicious way to me it’s not about the meat and cheese marriage to me to me a burger is not a monogamous relationship there’s a big polyamor it’s a big polycule right maybe the pickles are coming to play today it’s a polyamorous FS [Music] I don’t even normally get animals out but I think I requested an animal cell let me throw this out there let me throw this equation out there oh so yeah good good call Maggie Maggie you can just like say stuff too if you want to you don’t have to make you shy animal style for those who don’t know it is the secret menu of in and out which is not Secret at all and in fact in and out does own a de facto copyright because they once sued a place called Cali burger for using the term no I remember that place yeah Cali Burger so there’s this Chinese in and out knockoff they want to threatened to assume if you’re calling me a Chinese or for calling him a Chinese knockoff so hopefully I don’t do that again um weird spot but anywhoom you go to In and Out you got an animal style burger they are mustard frying the patties which means they smear mustard on it and they fry off the baddies which I don’t really necessarily need um you got pickles on it they normally don’t put pickles on their burgers which is kind of strange but whatever and then you get extra spread which is their Thousand Island sauce I don’t get animals without Burgers I love pickles on a burger normally but not in and out because to me the spread offers enough acid with the chopped pickles in there I get extra pickles really I am you want to know my in and out order yes cheeseburger animal style bun well done extra pickles extra sauce cheeseburger animal style bun well done extra pickles extra sauce animal style is already extra pickles I want both I want more I will say did I will say you were talking about vegetarianism yeah Shake Shack has a Schumer the shroomburger is bad yeah they dig a whole portobello mushroom and this is this is the risky run when you stick your neck out like there there’s the reason I love in and out they’re not trying to change anything right like they are sticking to their core competencies and that’s what I love them that’s what I want the tattoo what I’m eating a pickle while you’re speaking and I don’t want it to Mar your words your Shake Shack you want to offer a vegetarian option take a whole portobello mushroom cap I don’t doubt that the first person in their Test Kitchen who made this made did a good job of it but when you’re just like frying a whole portobello mushroom cap yeah you don’t know how dirty the mushrooms are you don’t know if you’re expanded so fast that you don’t know how well your employees are cleaning the mushrooms gills you don’t know if they’ve got gills on the mushrooms you can’t quality control when you have so many different kinds of produce coming in yeah you know what I mean and then every mushroom burger that I’ve had there has been just tough and leathery it’s weird watery yeah it’s weird it’s bad and that is to me the downfall of Shake Shack and they’ve expanded so fast they’re in all these freaking malls they’re in airports corporate restaurants don’t even control their airport locations that’s crazy to me they’re run by a separate company inside the airport you’re effectively doing a licensing deal that’s wild you know and so for me like that is what I love about in and out it is the consistency yeah all In and Out Burgers I’ve ever had have been within like a 10 percentile range of how good they are how well they are made how proportional they’re fresh Fair all this Shake Shack I’ve gotten wildly different experiences that’s true I think consistency wise in and out definitely beats them out but I find myself eating the fries at Shake Shack more drinking the milkshake at Shake Shack more even kind of liking the burger a little bit more maybe it’s just the way I’m eating it right now I find the Burger’s so much more of an attractive Burger eating experience is it because it’s younger no younger and sexier Leo DiCaprio huh I have is that why you like Shake Shack better I love I love old people I think old people are hot you actually wait who’s the hottest old person I can’t tell you what whisper I can’t tell you you’re gonna judge me you always judge me is it the guy from the Dos Equis commercials nobody’s I think he’s the hottestinal second the Gordon’s fisherman My First Crush ever on a man was Clint Eastwood he’s hot and he used to be really handsome when he was like not when he was like not like an old man like too old yeah yeah whatever this broadcast is going into a weird Direction I like in and out as a whole more but I am finding Shake Shack’s products individually to be quite delicious and quite enjoyable but I love in and out and I always love it enough you cannot separate from the Gestalt Josh if you become gestalts bring up the good stalls I’m walking away every time I shall premature stuff please don’t yell at me in a German accent I have generational Trauma from that I’m no no sorry let’s talk about Ambiance talk about Ambiance you walk into a Shake Shack you want an internet where are you happier in and out why are you happier in and out I don’t know break it down Nicole you are walking in and out you see all the booze there you’re seeing the red yellow and the white this is the milkshake versus versus I’m gonna slide that milkshake oh it’s so it’s so good versus Shake Shack it feels like you’re in a weird corporate influencer dentist office I will say that I will say the Ambiance at in and out very different also the service in and out is Bar None I love the service I’m not a drive-through guy I hate going through drive-throughs I love eating inside fast food restaurants okay nice great service shout out to the dude of the Arby’s in Laguna Hills you really remind me of my brothers in so many ways it’s so funny it’s so like reflector pad oh my God yeah he’s the same way there’s something about eating fast food in a fast food restaurant that hits in a very very specific way I agree that when you’re divorcing the products from their location their environment yeah I think pound for pound Shake Shack wins on taste yes that is not why we go to restaurants that is not why we eat food that is not the only thing that comes into our decision making I understand that we’re biased as West coasters and I’m gonna preempt this because every single I die person that is not from California is gonna go I went to California once and had one in and out and it sucks and I’m interesting for disliking the thing that you like and I do that with many things as well Whataburger I think is absolutely trash and I think these Regional rivalries that mean nothing are part of the spice of life right it is something that’s right might say it’s strange nationalistic Pride alls I say is this is a fantastic hamburger and I think objectively they do a fantastic job at a lot of things and they make me incredibly happy make a lot of people incredibly happy how do you feel about Culver’s cut butter baby [Music] Build a Better Burger with the help of the sport team yeah they created a destination where you can find all their burger related rankings right in one place head to sport.com to read it now [Music] foreign to find out what other wacky ideas are rattling out there in the universe it’s time for a segment we call opinion do you like casseroles yeah we do call it [Music] all right let’s listen to our first one okay hi gold this is will love the podcast my opinion is one that has actually gotten into a bit of a thing with me and my fiance is that um I believe eggs belong in macaroni and cheese okay now hmm what I’m saying is you boil the noodles you get out a baking sheet you put the noodles in there you make an egg and cheese mixture you whip it up you also put some cheese in with the noodles this way they have bear cheese on it too and then you pour the egg mixture into the baking pan with the mac and with the macaroni and you bake that off you can top it with bread crumbs and parmesan cheese for a little crunchy top if you want you bake it until the top of the macaroni gets crunchy so you get some crunch in there you have the Ooey gooeyness of the cooked egg with cheese and it’s just so good my fiance does not agree that egg belongs in macaroni and cheese can you please tell her how I am correct hi you’re not objectively correct but there is like historical precedent for what you’re saying and this is this is a big debate among a lot of people yeah I’m looking something up right now Nicole you go um so there’s a lot of recipes that whenever you’re using evaporated milk you use the eggs to help thicken and the cheese also thickens so it makes sense that you would do that but um I don’t love putting eggs in my Mac and Cheese but that’s just me if it gives you a really good mac and cheese and you don’t taste any eggy flavor I say go for it to me the eggs are used as a texture thing to make it more of a solid brick so you can cut it so not necessarily so you can cut it just so it like it comes out easier you don’t get like the the runniness of the cheese and a lot of people don’t get that if you’re baking if you’re making a roux if you’re doing that totally but I do to me they’re two completely different experiences and it all comes down to taste right totally Gusto boostandam there’s no accounting don’t despite my tastes God dang right I’m thinking about um a lot of Caribbean countries they have a thing called macaroni pie yeah shout out Rashida homes of Bridgetown Roti uh for making macaroni pie and it is like completely a brick you slice it yeah yeah and it’s just this dense cheesy chewy delightful experience and that comes from the eggs making it dense like that yeah and to me it can like hold more cheesy flavor that way but that said if you’re somebody who loves a creamy mac and cheese to me there’s so many different styles of mac and cheese sort of stove top to bake top it with the bread crumb whatever you want um do an egg eggy macaroni pie you know so it’s good you’re not wrong she’s not wrong neither of you have reason to hate each other I don’t think they hate it no it sounds like this relationship’s over that’s what I’m reading this is irreconcilable it’s totally concilable there’s life after relationships it is consolable concealable I think reconcilable it is it is reconcilable you can reconcile abililitate it I think love is great and macaroni and cheese should not be the reason why you guys are having a little riff I don’t think it we should be relationship counselors I am one yeah sir no I’m just kidding I’m not please don’t sue me okay that was unexpected this is charity and I get myself all the time from my friend group but Reese’s cups and pepperoni risiko that’s a Reese cup let’s put pepperoni on top put a pepperoni on the bottom eat it in one bite fantastic um salty and sweet and also peanut butter and bologna okay yeah probably super great um I think more people should do this combo and not make fun of me for it so love you guys charity charity charity I’m not making fun of you for it I think this is you and you alone this is your thing I think this is your thing and people are gonna make fun of you for it you say hey this is my thing and if you don’t like it close your eyes or turn around let’s look at the similarities here both involve heavily processed deli meats and peanut butter yeah is this distracting you no not at all it actually really comforts me it’s like a fidget spinner and yeah that’s why I do it I think you need to get a full diagnostic panel from your doctor to figure out if you have like a nitrate deficiency or like a monounsaturated fat like your hormone level is because you have too low fat diet like I think there’s something your body is telling you your body like Memento he has all the messages written on him your body has all the messages written on it in your cravings and I’m wondering what is causing this maybe it’s just yummy for her no I’m getting gas it’s probably yummy for you also I do think like pepperoni and pineapple is a better combination on Pizza than ham or bacon and pineapple yeah I think we got so far in the rabbit hole you said anything about peanut about pineapple though no no she didn’t but I’m saying pepperoni with sweet things pepperoni is sweet things because a lot of people candied bacon is the thing we went through the like epic bacon moment yeah you know what I mean in society but pepperoni to me pairs better with sweeter things I think it’s saltier than bacon it’s spicier it’s more pecan sure I do like sweet things that pepperoni really work honey on pepperoni it’s fantastic yeah why not peanut butter why not chocolate so Bologna’s a little off-putting we need to talk about yeah bologna doesn’t have quite that you know um but also I reckon you’re from the south there um dated a girl is families from Louisville Kentucky and they turned me on to the mayonnaise and peanut butter sandwiches and so like listen I’m down with the South seeds of peanut butter you know it’s a southern product at its core shout out George Washington Carver thanks um yeah thanks for all your contributions to society what I’m most interested by is your pronunciation of Reese’s Reese’s cups and I know that’s a regional derivation and it was a man it was a man named Reese and he has a peanut butter cup that is Reese’s Peanut Butter Cup where Reese’s cup came from because link says the same thing oh really link says Reese’s cups I did not know that and Link loves himself some greasy cups I had no idea and to me it’s one of the most fascinating regionalisms okay um that’s out there it’s that and then the Philadelphia way of pronouncing water why did they say it in Philly they say water water like you had a cup of Rita’s Water Ice how many glass of water I got a cup of Rita’s Water Ice yeah with a Reese’s cup also uh when I was in South Africa I don’t know if you know this one in South Africa yeah it’s one of the words that we would ask for water that’s we pronounce water real dumb in America water give me some water water we would have to start pronouncing it like hey can I please get a glass of water water you would have to start saying that because they wouldn’t understand water water bottle thanks love all right there needs to be more Savory yogurt options oh I’m tired of having a sweet yogurt be a snack I want something Savory yeah smart okay yeah I’m all about this I love the Spoonful of yogurt how many other cultures eat sweet yogurt I don’t like like in in uh Persian Foods is it a lot like sweet yogurt no that you eat like would you just like put fruit and yogurt together no right right like mint yeah yeah that’s like it but like mint’s not sweet like it smells sweet and it can yeah yeah no typically get the hell out of here it’s my favorite yeah I would say that um you don’t need to have sweet yogurt just buy a tub of regular plain yogurt regular plain Greek or regular Bulgarian yogurt one of my favorite yogurts and just do that but man’s doesn’t want to do his own man’s wants to have uh Yoplait has Boston cream pie pie flavor peaches at the bottom no no peaches at the bottom no no no no I don’t think you’re gonna get but what what would you what would your like initial line be of savory flavored yogurts I don’t want to do that as a butternut squash I don’t want to do it as a business satire and olive oil I think I think whoever sent in this opinion you can create it and you can sell it to Walmart and you can make millions of roasted tomato and basil great yeah he should do that he should do that you can’t do start start your favorite Savory yogurt so you can eat it on the go I’ll eat in the gym no Savory gogurts Savory yogurt like in a like in a Yoplait container I totally support and you should make it happen make your own dreams come true No One’s Gonna make your dreams come true for you nobody we should start like in an album alpha male grind set podcast I I to be a high value man but then yeah you also come and be like yeah high value I don’t sound like that but you have to because if you want to be a high value woman you have to wear high heels 24 7. even in bed just just wear them your feet will get used to it is that good that’s pretty good yeah yo hello Joyce hi Nicole uh I’m Marwan I’m from Iraq I would love to see you guys try the Iraqi Cuisine one day okay um I know Josh has a strong background about Middle Eastern food and also uh Nicole is from Iran so I Rocky food is quite close to the Iranian food yes it is I’d love to see you try it guys or at least speak about it see what do you think much love that have a good one Let’s Do It um my favorite Iraqi dish I have ever had it is called I believe Kube halebi or something like that it’s a style of Kube which is like I believe a dumpling like a minced meat dumpling okay but it was um our when I was in Israel it was our Iraqi bus driver’s wife literally just like made him lunch and it was like a soup that was tinge red with beets and then had this like minced meat dumpling almost like I’d call it a creploch from the Ashkenazi perspective um and this guy just knew I was super interested in food because I was just asking every single person what they how it was made all that and so he just like shared a little bit of his lunch that his wife made for him sweet um and it was just such a spectacular dish and I think we get in America so much of the Middle Eastern food that we get it’s just it’s Kebab it’s yeah it’s a mishmash it’s people who are trying to play the lowest common denominator to sell food right yeah you have to of course it’s the same with Chinese food and Mexican food a lot of the times sure and so we miss out on a lot of these really incredible very Regional personal home-cooked style foods from so many Middle Eastern countries and you lose a lot of those identities when you come into America because we favor The Melting Pot over here yeah we do you know so I would I would love to uh to travel to it I would love to try Rocky food I’m sure there’s tons of restaurants here we just need to go find them Yo are any Iraqis in L.A want to have us over to dinner please that’d be really radical oh my gosh that would be my dream oh actually my old bosses are Iraqi yeah yeah get them up do you want to meet them yeah can we just go over I don’t know how it would feel if my old boss met my new boss um whatever two Alphas you know what I like two Rams buttonholes okay wait no Ellen was seen if you’re watching this or listening to this pie podcast we’re gonna come over for Iraqi food hell yeah what seems half Jordanian hey very again intersectionality I think the dish I had was actually like uh um Kurdish Iraqi oh maybe you use Kurdish and anyway anyways point is the world of food is vast and numerous out there and beautiful and it brings people together but also divides us in many ways thank you so much for listening is a sandwich up at nine we will be playing and oh never mind us because I can’t I can’t keep that up it’s too very silly I love NPR Shadow and on that note thank you for listening to a hot dog as a sandwich you got new Audio Only episodes every Wednesday and a video version over on YouTube every Friday if you want to be featured on opinions are like Castro’s you can hit us up at 833 dog pod one the number again it’s eight three three dog pod one uh for more mythical kitchen check us out on YouTube where we launch new videos every week we’ll see you next time [Music]