ramble before you get into today’s episode it’s me trevor everts the host of the podcast trevor talks too much here to tell you about a very special episode we have uh it’s gonna be all me solo not only will i be talking too much by my darn self but i’ll be giving you all a closer look into my mind the window into the inner workings of the mythical swag lord uh so i’ll be talking a bit more about me this particular episode is all about some of the struggles i’ve had coming out of the pandemic social anxiety and how some of these new connections have me kind of looking deeper into my inner self and doing some reflection so don’t forget to be on the lookout for this episode next week by subscribing to trevor talks too much on apple spotify or wherever you get your podcast developed from the ovary in the base of a flower containing the seeds of the plant must we adhere to this outdated and close-minded label or can our food finally enjoy a more fluid identity today we ask are tomatoes really fruit this is a hot dog as a sandwich ketchup is a smoothie yeah i put ice in my cereal so what that makes no sense hot dog is a sandwich a hot dog is a sandwich welcome to our podcast of hot dogs the sandwich the show where we break down the world’s biggest food debates i’m your host josh sharer i’m your host nicole hendezada and today we are answering the question are tomatoes fruit hold on this we need to clear this up because i wanted the title of this to be tomatoes ain’t no damn fruit okay because i stand by that i don’t even think it’s a question nicole tomatoes ain’t no damn fruit do you agree no i don’t agree they are fruit well you think tomatoes are fruit of course so you’re buying into the hype it’s called science you’re taking the blue pill you’re fine going back to this false reality that we’ve already believe in science do you believe in science i believe in the science that i want to believe in no that’s not so you believe in pseudoscience i prefer the term quasi science overseas no i okay this gets very complicated really quickly okay i do believe that via the scientific botanical definition of a fruit which is anything that actually contains the reproductive structure of the plant i.e the seeds that that is the fruiting part of the plant so i believe that tomatoes are the fruiting part of the entire tomato plant i do not think that makes them a fruit because when we say the phrase our tomatoes fruit so nicole i say our tomatoes a fruit or a blank what’s the word complete the sentence tomato cardigan you think you think i’m asking you are tomatoes a fruit or a cardigan yes what are they are they a cardigan it’s a light jelly i don’t know what a cardigan is but i know my grandma bought me one once and i didn’t like it it’s a light wool jacket with buttons what’s a chemise i don’t know about all that oh just like a shawl i think it’s like a shawl just kind of like over the shoulder yeah chic i do like when like you know you’re like your girlfriend’s like can you like put this jacket you’re gonna lovingly drape the jacket over their shoulders oh god it feels like i just kind of grabbed it give me a cold vegetable the answer is vegetable when you say is tomato a fruit or a blank the question is tomato a fruit or vegetable we’re working in a dichotomous world right here between fruit and vegetable because that is the actual lens that people are viewing this through right yes are you nicole you a botanist uh i sure can be how much you know about linnaeus uh i know about linnaeus how much you know about mendel’s seed pod experiments is is that the punnett square guy i think that’s a plundered squirrel okay cause i think we got it wrong last time i think we did yeah i think i think it’s linnaeus i don’t know mendel gregor mendel anyways nicole and i had the same 10th grade science textbook where we learned about this crap but my point is when we’re talking about these things we are talking about the commonplace definition and not their actual botanical definition so fruit both doubles as a botanical scientific term and as a common place as in you eat a fruit salad you are referring to a salad made of fruits and not a vegetables but i hate that i hate that logic that like would you put tomatoes in a fruit salad no of course not would i put cucumbers in a fruit salad no of course not because a fruit salad is its own dish it doesn’t have to be like classified with all of these other fruits it’s the out i’m gonna agree with you it’s an outlier fruit it’s a little weird it’s a little confusing it’s not exactly sweet but i’m still gonna eat it and call it a fruit because it is what it is i care about science you’re just trying you know what you do josh you come in here and you you’re like you know the facts are this but but i’m not interested in that today i tried you know with the chicken and the egg thing last week i don’t care about that i’m not gonna entertain that idea anymore let’s be real here let’s call it what it is it is a fruit it’s not a veg it acts like a vegetable but it’s still a fruit if something acts like something else does that mean that it’s not the thing that it is not well what is that not the thing which is not not acting like being correct what i’m saying though right but what i’m saying is the point of language is to communicate ideas clearly and also the reason we have terms like fruit and vegetable are to group like things together which for a botanist of which we have both decided we’re not because we ain’t even know the name of that one scientist that was in our 10th grade textbook i could be the limit does not exist also if any of my friends say they’re a botanist i just to me that just means they’re growing wheat on the torch which is legal now ryan putting the edit note in there to take out the marijuana reference but anyways my point is the reason we have categories and language like fruit and vegetable is to group like things together so when you say something like a fruit salad you understand that there are strawberries and some like you know honeydew that won’t be ripe for another 13 years but let’s put in there yeah do you love honeydew as opposed to a salad made from vegetables which are likely lettuce tomato onion things like that so i’m saying that the reason we even have those categories are to make communicating easier and when people start you know throwing things out there everyone had that one kind of a-whole devil’s advocate friend when you were like 11 12 years old that was me it was like tomatoes are actually a fruit and i hate myself i think the reason i feel so strongly about this is because i hate that 11 year old pretentious child that i was if i saw my 11 year old self i would not hit myself in the face because that’s a crime striking a child i i won’t strike a child over an argument i need to make that very clear here um but i i don’t like when people kind of bring this that this so-called fact up because they think it’s perfectly accurate i think the term fruit is essentially i would call it like an auto homonym are you calling are you calling a tomato a fruiting vegetable yeah i think that’s that’s fair to say it is a fruiting vegetable where there are non-fruiting vegetables maybe so like a potato is a vegetable no it’s a tuber a tube but okay so you’re specifically classifying all these things in their actual relation to the plant of course did you know that did you know that a pumpkin is also considered a fruit i did anything anything with seeds inside of it is a fruit but did you know that what did you just say i said anything i was about to explain this i consider them auto homophones meaning it is the same word that sounds exactly the same but when used in different contexts they are two entirely different meanings like the word set the word set has the most definitions of any single word in the english language because you can play a set in tennis you can have a set of dish where you can be hard for your set you can be on set you can set something down so it’s the same word but it means many different things so i think the term fruit when you’re using in the botanical sense or the gastronomical sense mean two different things i don’t agree with that so i don’t think so i think you can have fruiting i mean when we’re talking about the very scientific definitions of things broccoli is technically a flower right yeah but someone says you ever had flowering broccolini before oh god oh dude what’s the what are broccolini leaves called spigorello i think so yeah i love a nice raw broccolini salad where i just take the beautiful yellow flowers and i just kind of pepper them on top so yeah that’s great i’m not gonna say bro okay so tomato has its own unique uh expression what do you mean i think i think it’s one of those things where like people people can call it a vegetable linguistically that’s fine you can call it whatever you want but at its core at its true nature it is a fruit scientifically speaking so you can call how often are we speaking scientifically as opposed to say just trying to communicate the idea of what something is going to taste like put in an actual ratio because i want to know how useful this definition thirty percent of the time thirty percent maybe me but also i’m also a botanist also i’m a big fat nerd you grow wheat on your porch i don’t i live with my mom and dad we have cacti though okay so let’s let’s let’s go back to the root of this whole thing so if you actually look at why the debate actually happens because like you said a pumpkin is also technically speaking botanically speaking i hate that if i just say a pumpkin is also a fruit then you’re gonna pounce on me because you deserve to but a pumpkin is technically botanically speaking yeah also a fruit because these seeds are contained within the actual vegetables that i’d call it god this is just a complete like uh word scramble and little fruits and vegetables a little discombobulated okay okay so the reason this is only a debate the reason our tomatoes a fruit or vegetable is even a question as opposed to our pumpkins our cucumbers are zucchini are avocado a fruit or vegetable is because of the court case nyx versus hedden so in 1883 chester eight arthur passes an import tax i can see ryan frowning right now in 1883 this is important context people chester a arthur what an exciting president didn’t you forget he existed next time on jeopardy 1883 chester arthur passes import tax on vegetables but not fruits so a fruit importer sues the collector of the port of new york for back tariff money arguing that tomato is botanically speaking a fruit not a vegetable because it’s the seed bearing part of the plant so this whole debate is only happening because some like rich miserly businessman was deciding to to troll the courts being like no actually tomato is a fruit not a vegetable and then they eventually uh actually ruled the court the state court of new york ruled that tomatoes are a vegetable because of their commonplace definition you know there’s no one i respect more than a businessman that totally goes into a court system and completely turns it around so he doesn’t have to pay tariffs but he didn’t he lost oh he lost they ruled the court ruled that tomatoes are a vegetable but this guy was the one to introduce the idea of like yo this nerd scientist over here he says it’s a fruit so well i think that’s great that he actually took the ideas of a scientist and brought them to a court of law it sucks that he lost but now look at us we care enough about it to talk about it in depth and in detail it’s true and i am genuinely fascinated by this idea of scientific language versus kind of commonplace yeah language uh and especially how it you know actually interacts in a court of law because so many people when we talk about anything you know even the name of the podcast a hot dog is a sandwich people one please for the love of god stop spamming us that a hot dog is a taco stop it hot dog is not a taco don’t send me the cube rule i don’t like talking about it it’s over it’s done that stuff that it makes no sense we’re gonna have to do a whole podcast about the cube rules i don’t want to it gives me hypes i don’t want to it’s disrespectful so i think that the cube rule is actually disrespectful to other foods i agree with that i think we should get into that in a full episode but what i’m saying is people will send us the dictionary definition of a sandwich and be like see it says two slices of bread there yeah and you know okay well subway is the largest restaurant in the history of the world they’ve sold more sandwiches than anyone you’re telling me they don’t sell sandwiches and they go isn’t it crazy that subway puts fruit on their uh on their sandwiches yeah but you got to bring your own grapes you bring your own grapes because they’re like hey we put all the vegetables including the tomato on it but hey notice you have that handful of grapes can you put it on there we just got six subway sandwiches and they’re all incorrect yeah yeah we messed that up when it comes to your journey hyundai is thinking of every mile that’s where the new 2023 hyundai palisade comes in the palisade offers all the technology safety features and comfort a family needs for the journey ahead and boy does it really have so many tech safety and comfort features stay connected with the palisades wi-fi hotspot capabilities so you can keep the kids entertained on a long car ride or help a friend work on the go if you want to start that weekend trip early and if you’ve ever been clipped or had a mishap or you opened the door into a vehicle behind you the class exclusive safe exit assist the hyundai palisade has is a lifesaver it prevents the rear doors from opening if the vehicle detects traffic approaching from behind the palisade also has available third row heated power folding seats which 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hydrangeas you mean iggy azaleas just as alias if you mean uh azalea bankses you know you’re getting love you’re getting flowers that are to look at you know you understand that there is a reason for flowers existing they’re pretty they smell nice they look good in your home right but if someone was smart enough to do that and so tongue-in-cheek enough to do that i would love it are you kidding me it would bring me such joy that someone has such a such a quick-witted sense of humor that they would bring me a bouquet of cauliflower and broccoli instead of azalea bankses and iggy azaleas i would be so impressed i’d be like you and like you know what you’re right thank you so much let me saute these in garlic butter i guess i need to talk to like someone normal about this yeah i’m not normal that’s fair my issue is is that i love people that do things incorrectly just to get a reaction like that’s what i love so you need to ask we need to ask the people okay so if you’re all in on this strict scientific definition thing right you don’t agree that language is used to group things by useful categories that we can actually use in our real life no i do agree with that but just not for tomatoes or cucumbers or pumpkins or corgets okay it’s pronounced courgette courgette put a little bit of courgette in my profiteroles that’s how they say it on great british bake off i’ll put a little bit of kosher in my well gouge i made gucci zucchini and french but also brits say it they say aubergine too aubergine they are so much better than us we need to start saying aubergine more yeah absolutely okay so talking about strict botanical definitions yes right a strawberry it ain’t a berry because a berry is defined by having a i hate what is it a strawberry is uh i forgot what it’s actually classified as but berries are classified as anything that has the seed fully encased by protective flesh so strawberries in a berry but you know what is a very a freaking cucumber is a berry you need to tell me one banana’s a berry i don’t know what a strawberry what’s a strawberry you just ruined my whole life but that’s what i’m saying because a strawberry like it’s red it tastes pretty similar to raspberries and blackberries and blueberries and they all go together very well so it’s very useful to be able to call them a berry but the problem is that barry also has a strict botanical definition at which strawberry doesn’t fall under josh it’s not a berry but it’s just named as strawberry but i’m saying like if you get a mixed berry smoothie and they’re putting cucumbers in there you go oh my god you’re so right you’re so haha funny just like just like my boyfriend who brought me the cauliflower bouquet oh my god jamba juice you’re hilarious for putting zucchini in my raspberry mixed berry raspbertas that tastes gross that ruin your day are you kidding me if they could hide cucumber in a mixed berry smoothie i would be so impressed i’m like here’s my serving of green vegetable vegetables i’m sorry i’m green no no no no it’s not that zucchini is a vegetable rum that tastes good no no no i’ve called a tomato a fruit like nine times you’ve called different fruits vegetables nine times no no no no no neither of us know what’s going on it’s just named a strawberry but a strawberry isn’t a berry it’s something else but it’s okay being grouped up in that sense if i say i want a bowl of berries and the strawberries in there that’s not gonna bother me but in my head i’ll be like that’s not all berry but but me saying that tomato is not a fruit so you wouldn’t accept if somebody said like strawberry is not a berry that wouldn’t bother me but if someone said like a tomato is not a fruit that would bother me why i don’t know it just does oh wait am i mixing up the analogy yeah i think you are i did yeah yeah i don’t think yeah that makes sense no i completely messed it up yeah again this scramble this is absolutely scrambling my brain because i think it’s also because like i think a lot of people associate like sweetness with fruit which is so wrong and so incorrect you know it really is because there’s a lot of vegetables that are also sweet yeah you know i mean like what we would common place to find as vegetable which i have to add in front of literally everything now because to me you look like a pumpkin and a sweet potato those serve the same function right pumpkin pie and sweet potato pie are very very similar there’s different starches you ever made a butter hot squash pie yeah i’ve never done that well canned pumpkin is basically butternut squash oh yeah i remember this there’s like this whole like article about like the lies of the pumpkin industry yeah well that’s another thing that’s very ambiguous because the term pumpkin does not have any strict fda definitions of what can be considered a pumpkin so like if you go to the store and buy something called kabocha squash uh if you go to any japanese restaurant and they say pumpkin ramen what they’re talking about is kabocha squash because to them that’s the variety of pumpkin that grows in japan to them as just a pumpkin to us we use the japanese name for it you know and so there are these kind of ambiguations between different pumpkins and so libby’s the canned pumpkin company was like we’re just gonna grow our own variety of thing if you’ve ever used what’s called a field pumpkin the stuff they make jack-o’-lanterns from yes to make pumpkin pie it kind of sucks it’s like stringy and water yeah it’s not enjoyable it’s not like the worst thing in the world but there’s a reason they can pumpkin so much better because they’re using something called a dickinson pumpkin which is very almost identical to a butternut squash so you’re basically making butternut squash pie my point is sweet potato pie and pumpkin pie they’re almost identical right but yeah you tell me one of those is a vegetable pie and the other is a fruit pie that’s wild according to science yes but at what point does science hold language back a lot apparently but you’re fine with that you’re you’re not okay with saying that like one of these things is more important than another of like actually using language to communicate ideas effectively and group things together appropriately for our daily life should not be hindered by your obscure scientific definitions that’s exactly what i’m saying shenanigans i call shenanigans no let me tell you it’s it’s about education and i think that’s what we’re learning today the importance of education is just huge and the fact that i’m learning that a potato pie i’m sorry just blended russets with some cream and sugar yeah you made a mashed potato pie wait wait hold on but if you ever what if you did a sweet potato pie recipe but it’s subbed in russet potatoes i’m i’m learning that you can sub a lot of things for a lot of things that’s true this is very interesting maybe i need to just open myself up to just you know understanding that fruit vegetable is completely arbitrary they’re all just plants yeah we can use them how we want you know what we should just call them plants why do plants you know what we don’t need to specify anymore no fruit vegetable nightshade yamama i don’t care anymore berry what what i also don’t care about your mother joshua this was called that’s what you said i don’t know you just got a okay i think we should just call them plants just plants i think fruit-bearing vegetable is actually to make a make a circular point i really like the idea of a fruit-bearing vegetable yeah i think that’s i think it’s very it’s the most precise form i can think of i think that’s a perfect middle ground where we can still acknowledge the scientific value of calling it a fruit but also give it the linguistic accuracy of calling it a vegetable yeah but i understand that would be very confusing for people i like how we’ve gone to two opposite ends of the spectrum on one hand tomato is a fruit-bearing vegetable and that is how it must be classified a term that is purely oxymoronic because we’ve decided that fruits and vegetables are two sides of the corn they’re not oxygen i know they’re not but you’re the one who made up the point that it’s not a fruit it’s a blink i said cardigan you said vegetable that’s your fault fam that’s your issue we have one side of the spectrum we’re calling it a fruit-bearing vegetable basically a paradox and i’m sticking by that on the other side no erasing all those terms and just calling them plants which i like i like it too but i think instead of completely erasing it i think we should acknowledge both of them and respect them yeah well one thing that i always got tripped up on when i was a kid and again i was that little a-whole kid that like fight with my teachers still are and i’d like to try it that’s the whole podcast is that little yeah yeah it’s all of the thoughts you had as like a seventh grader where you’re like ketchup is a smoothie and it’s just us like with the with like the addition of the age that we have and the experience that we had in the food industry just like taking that times like to the nth degree yeah the only difference is now we have microphones in front of us and apparently thousands of people that listen to us as seventh graders going actually did you know that ketchup is a so smart my parents don’t give me enough attention that’s literally this whole podcast that’s the whole podcast it’s just two a whole children just looking at you like actually no actually no actually applesauce and cheetos is basically like a latke yeah it’s no it’s all it’s all completely shenanigans what did you just say applesauce and cheetos that was what had someone brought up the idea of dipping cheetos and applesauce and i was like well i dig a lot cause an apple sauce yeah but no it’s all just you know us kind of making word scrambles in our brains trying to figure this out but the funny thing about this is it has actually gone through the court system yeah and like literally they brought up the dictionary definition of what a fruit is in the courts uh and then tried to kind of parse out this idea of common meaning which is why i like this idea of using pure instinct on what sounds right to me so this idea that you know is a tomato a fruit or a vegetable i like to use the test of what i put this in a fruit salad or would i put this in a vegetable salad you in a safe reseller sweet salad because i understand the sweet thing doesn’t always add up like vegetables are savory fruits are sweet that doesn’t always add up because like cucumbers aren’t no cucumbers or vegetables because like i consider what cucumbers are fruit cucumbers are vegetables cucumbers are fine i need to keep my store straight you know that cute cucumbers are preparing vegetables cucumber is a plant it’s a plant okay okay what i’m saying is like we you know i want to shorthand to fruits equal sweet vegetables equal savory um but you know there are dumb there are sweet vegetables like sweet potatoes are a good example like this is a vegetable that is sweet so you can’t do that i think that’s a cop cop-out i just i just think categorizing it by uh like your like flavor profile is inaccurate but doesn’t it give you like what should kind of be grouped together no because miles kingston said knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit wisdom is putting it is not putting it in a fruit salad and i think that that is the point of this whole that’s good that’s way better than the quote that i was gonna pull out what are you gonna say okay so apparently we’ve both written down quotes what i was gonna say is using this idea of commonplace instinctual definition of like i know what a vegetable is based on how i use it there’s a famous supreme court case nicole 1964 jacob ellis versus ohio in which this is quoted in a lot of popular culture and media on the definition of what is and isn’t pornography in supreme court justice what’s the name supreme court justice potter stewart said i shall not today attempt to further define the kinds of material i understand to be embraced within the shorthand description pornography and perhaps i could never succeed in intelligibly doing so but i know it when i see it and i understand that was actually kind of that was widely praised as being like you know a kind of very humanizing moment for the supreme court a lot of people have problems with it they say it’s this kind of you know a catch-all decision that could be used very harmfully in other cases but when it’s something like what’s a fruit and vegetable to me i know a vegetable when i see it and i know a fruit when i see it ask me anything i’ll tell you if it’s fruit or vegetable uh kale vegetable see it’s easy nicole gooseberry gooseberries are an actual berry i believe gooseberries are one of my favorite isles whenever i would go to the brentwood farmers market i would go get a whole fresh carton of gooseberries just to walk around and munch on gooseberries anytime i would go to a bat mitzvah they had like a whole like freaking planter of them i grew up eating gooseberries at bar mitzvahs yeah and i would just spoon them on my plate like it was my job um let me ask uh tortilla uh corn is here’s a okay no this brings you to another point this is another point what i was talking about earlier being an a-hole kid at school and then we decided that we’re a whole kid so we got sidetracked because we’ve decided that we both have the 80d and the fact that there’s not undiagnosed undiagnosed but you know that’s one of those i know when i see it kind of thing bamboo bamboo a tree bro bamboo ain’t no fruit or vegetable you out there eating trees ryan bamboo is a tree is it a vegetable if you tell me right now you can eat bamboo fruit like uh or bamboo shoots so the young bamboo shoot bamboo okay let’s just get a gasket you know i had to blast you what i was saying was the way that we grew up understanding food is in within the food pyramid right we all remember that oh yeah so i remember in school in like third grade or something seeing the food pyramid and saying you know you eat this many fruits what is it two to three and then you eat three to five to six servings no that’s definitely you’re supposed to eat less fruit and i remember because fruit has more sugar and so you’re supposed to eat more vegetables uh but there was a picture of the tomato in like the vegetable category and then our teacher was like well did you know that tomatoes are actually a fruit they’re just low sugar fruit which is why they’re in the vegetable area yeah but that’s what i’m saying that the reason we are even discussing fruit and vegetable in dichotomous terms is because like we need to know what they do for us you know what i’m saying so if something is low sugar enough of a fruit put it in the vegetable i will let’s do this nicole let’s have a like fruit vegetable draft i’m drafting for vegetables i want tomato on my team you can take sweet potato into the fruit i’m fine calling sweet potato i don’t want to do that take it but it’s not i don’t want sweet sweet potato isn’t a fruit it’s a vegetable it’s sweet it’s not real it’s the same pumpkin you make pumpkin pie makes sweet potatoes it’s the same you’re being silly you’re not listening to me you’re just talk speaking off the dome like a rapper you have to see let me tell you i’ve really gotten into rap battles recently and the most important thing listen to me in being a rap go ahead no please explain rap battle question timmy nicole is knowing your opponent and listening to what your opponent says so you can say what they said but in a dis this is all this is all this is josh this is just an epic rap battle but there’s no rhyming and we have no flow whatsoever that’s true we’re both incredibly unflowed i have a lot of flow i’m i like rap music but okay let me let me let me let me let me tell you this is a red bell pepper a vegetable yes is it really wait um cause it’s is it sweet is it not sweet what do you do i don’t know i wanted to see komoki i want to say that i want to say the red bell pepper is obviously a vegetable because i use it in vaginas it’s not but at the same time i know botanically speaking to fruits as the seeds inside of and all that but also like red bell peppers are incredibly sweet actually though in the dictionary definition of vegetable they use the term herbaceous very liberally in the sense of you understand the taste of a fruit right it’s kind of it’s it’s sweet you understand the taste of a berry kind of has this like deep dark red sort of flavor and you know this you know there’s citric acid in it and all that and i think there is something i use the term vegetal a lot to describe the taste of something so you understand that you know red bell pepper although it is obviously sweet it has a much more vegetable taste than something like an apple so to me that like very much separates them into two different things but an apple has the same sweetness as say a plum as you know a grape as things like that that are botanically very very different in their composition but they are grouped together because of commonalities yeah but just because things are common doesn’t mean they need to be under the same umbrella because where do you draw the columns that’s why we have umbrellas is to describe common terms but but when does who determines the umbrellas who’s holding the umbrella me is it rihanna is it jay-z i always forget that was like the first rihanna song that we ever heard no it was pawn to replay oh that came before umbrella yeah yeah that makes sense do you think she got a feature with jay-z for her first song i am obviously out of my head here i am obviously out of my death and i would like to walk back never talking about rihanna’s umbrella on the jv basketball team we would listen to umbrella and play basketball that’s my only relation to it would you consider cherry to be a berry you know what’s uh upsetting to me my girlfriend so i cherries i love her too my uh my favorite fruit in the world are cherries i will during cherry season i will just sit down to like a three pound bowl of cherries i love rainier i love bing i love dark sweet red from michigan i love all forms of fresh cherry and julia had never eaten a fresh cherry before that’s really cute it was really cute and i was so excited i was so excited to just be like oh my god let me introduce you to my single favorite fruit of all time it is a flavor that is uncomparable from literally anything and she eats it and just goes it tastes like a grape and i’m like what do you mean and then i ate a cherry and thought about grapes and i was like damn this tastes like grape no it doesn’t cherries are very distinct they have a certain tartness i think they do too there’s a depth of flavor to the cherries it’s the best fruit of all time i just found something out what’s that do you know what a droop is is it is a strawberry a droop no cherry and an apricot and uh let me see a nectarine a peach and a cherry are considered droops also known as stone fruit so for season is my favorite season let’s be real nectarines are my favorite fruit when okay josh what’s your favorite fruit okay i would say cherries i already said that so i’m gonna say dapple dandy plutz once i ate a dozen of them and then i almost pooed i mean i did poo but i almost did it when i shifted in your pantsies yes yeah i love nectarines i think they’re like the perfect balance of sweet hard citric acidity i think it’s fantastic the world of fruit is great don’t you just love when you’re just like chomping down on a pumpkin stop it yeah sometimes have you ever had a deliciously tempura piece of pumpkin hater what okay what are there any fruits that exist that you can’t eat raw i’m trying to think about just these kind of commonalities fruits yeah what like what fruits can you not eat right i know there’s whatever you consider fruits that you can’t eat raw because you obviously like i mean you can’t you can eat anything raw if you try hard enough no but something like a pumpkin versus like an apple right oh do you mean like poisonous not even poisonous but just uh in terms of what is commonly kind of enjoyed cause like you said you’d snack on chase you snack jam what’s a rhubarb rhubarb is okay so rhubarb is actually another rhubarb is another interesting thing where it’s almost exclusively paired with fruits and things like people only know rhubarb by strawberry rhubarb pie but rhubarb if you look at it it’s just a stock it’s just celery it looks exactly like celery and it’s very very sour it’s almost not sweet at all yeah and i’ve had it in savory dishes uh shout out to chad valencia at lhasa for making a rhubarb synagogue one of the coolest things i’ve ever tasted um but that’s another thing that people associate with being a fruit but i would call rhubarb a vegetable i don’t know what a what is it what is the rhubarb actually so a rhubarb technically speaking is a stalk so it would be a vegetable okay but people bring that up in the tomato conversation am i just a hypocrite maybe but i’m also a hypocrite because i’m putting it under the umbrella of fruit because that’s what i did that’s what i did naturally you see what the issue is josh we’re all just kind of prejudiced in our own ways and what we believe i think we just need to go back to the original conversation of calling it a plant we just need to call it a plant we uh what’s no such thing as a fruit or vegetable no a berry is a plant a pumpkin is a plant celery plant nectarine plant pool plant fruits and vegetables don’t exist people wait tomato is a plant tomato is neither a fruit nor a vegetable tomato is simply a plant it is not a living sentient being that we slaughtered it is not meat it is not cheese all we know for sure is that tomato is a plant it’s a plant and that’s kind of beautiful to me this is a great conversation this is a great conversation i think we came to a nice civil meeting of the mines and i’m really glad we did it and i’m glad that we both came to agree that science doesn’t matter and is mostly fake yeah that’s the important part there are few better foods to eat during the summer than a nice juicy grilled piece of chicken or steak or salmon that’s right whether you have a go-to favorite or you like switching up what you’re grilling you can improve your grilling lineup this summer with butcher box the subscription service that delivers a large selection of high quality meat and seafood right to your door now my favorite thing about butcher box isn’t just the top tier quality meat but it’s super affordable we’re talking less than six dollars per meal on average here people and it’s convenient every month butcherbox ships a curated selection of high quality meat right to your home there’s free shipping for the continental us and there’s no antibiotics 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twitterverse it’s time for a segment we call opinions are like casseroles opinions are like casseroles everyone everyone’s got one and they smell like onions opinions are like casseroles you don’t want to have hair in them [Music] all right at ryan underscore raymond white bread original flavor potato chips and ketchup make for an amazing sandwich yeah i eaten i eaten a potato chip ketchup sandwich i don’t like it my big thing life’s too short for original flavored potato chips i believe that strongly i believe that strongly if you’re getting a potato chip to me it has to be like the craziest flavor although i have straight up ruined small gatherings with getting bad potato chip flavors listen the sichuan chicken from lay’s was not good listen dude there is nothing better than the original taste and snap and flavor of a lace chip you know it you know it i sometimes it’s nice when in the mythical kitchen especially we are always eating just the craziest most flavorful foods to our own detriment often oh men i was talking about the other day how it’s we eat so much of our content for nutrition for our bodies it’s horrific but the problem is our content mostly isn’t vegetables no vegetables no vegetables at all and so sometimes like i’ll just eat a bite of cabbage and be like god that’s good i haven’t had a vegetable at work in maybe like three days it’s been years we literally we got wing stop for lunch today and i was like dang they don’t even have any vegetables on the menu and i was like trevor we got any vegetables in the fridge and trevor’s like guys a quarter head of lettuce i was i thought they were supposed to give you like uh sticks yeah thumbs where was our veggies anyways to me this sounds like uh it’s a food that you eat that yeah i wouldn’t particularly uh this is a struggle meal it’s a meal which i eat often and i understand hard past no thank you i’ve been eating so many peanut butter sandwiches out of just kind of like apathy at home that sucks it’s like i need something but i mean i i enjoy them thoroughly just like i’m sure ryan yeah but i mean like it’s kind of i don’t have the wherewithal to to cook anything better for myself i’m tired at the end of the day i need food inside my body if you could pick three bags of chips to take to a party what three bags of chips would you take this actually says a lot about you as a person it really does because you can’t be too aggressive i’ve learned that yeah yeah yeah dude it was so bad i looked at the ingredients list and they had something that was just like brown pan meat flavor it was like one of the extracts in it and i tasted it it tastes like burnt chicken bones oh no you ever have like a stock that like they over roasted the bones and you’re like this is just acrid yeah that’s what these chips taste like it was horrific but that said i still refuse to buy plain chips to bring okay unless there’s i know there’s gonna be salsa and guac then i’ll get you know uh santitas brand corn chips because they’re so good but i will bring a barbecue kettle chips kettle brand chips are my favorite chips they’re one of the brands that i look at and just like for sure gush over for sure kettle brand barbecue i will bring a spicy sweet chili doritos and then i will bring something kind of inoffensive probably from the kettle brand so something like you know they’re they’re like dill pickle flavor that’s inoffensive to you that is my level of inoffensive that is my plane when i when i’m acting on that plane is either pepperoncini or dill pickle oh my gosh that’s so funny to me i take risks that’s crazy so my top three would be uh kettle salt and pepper but the ridges one the one with the costco ones oh my gosh okay ugly i’ve tried i’m doing the best with what i have um sour cream and cheddar ruffles i guess i just like ridges and lemon chips limon lays the lemon laser fire lemonade i like those zachary lee says what’s the best kind of peanut butter and why is it jif extra crunchy my favorite peanut butter is lara scudder’s original because i was raised in a fancy house and that’s that the funny thing about laura scouters is they came before all the natural peanut butter brands because now you get a whole food i mean you even go to go to ralph’s or any normal grocery store for sure and half of them are like justin’s you know undisturbed like chunky nut butters i’m not a big justin’s fan either but there’s a lot of like natural peanut butter options back in the day it was either like peter pan jiff skippy goobers like all these little child centric brands and there was one like natural peanut butter and that was laura scudders so she was the og i love making just like real unprocessed peanut butter and i have respect for it that said i do not enjoy the taste i love i do i was raised on it that’s like my favorite it’s like almost like crunchy smooth peanut butter you know what i mean it’s right in the middle i feel that i love it uh that said i my favorite thing is skippy naturals because it’s i know that the term natural means literally nothing there’s nothing there’s actually a big movement to ban the word natural in packaged foods and i think i would support that because it misleads consumers 70 of consumers think that the word natural means the product is healthier although there’s no actual benefit to having the word on there other than lying to people that said it makes me feel better when i spend the extra 30 cents to get something says natural and it tastes a little bit more organic just a little so i use i use skippy naturals and i am typically a creamy peanut butter fan i will buy three creamy peanut butter jars to every crunchy peanut butter jar that is how i space it out i say that i’m a crunchy girl but in reality i’m a smooth girl you know what i mean i like to gum it down yeah yeah for sure at chef kyle hash not mine but an interesting take oh okay this is a take for a friend this is this is the biggest stretch i have ever heard ketchup is a liquid and 20 sugar that makes it a soda what do you think words mean no it doesn’t soda literally comes from like carbonation carbonation like that is the definition of a soda and there is no carbonation in this and i’ve actually seen it this is a viral tweet and someone was obviously uh the british word we talk about why british people are better than us earlier the british term is taking the piss mm-hmm yeah and that’s my favorite this person’s taking the piss 20 sugar makes it soda no if anything it’s limited yeah it’s it’s gatorade it’s no it’s a sport drink there’s no salt oh yeah there is there’s always there’s salt in it yeah it’s a sport drink okay ketchup is gatorade ketchup is gatorade you’re welcome i hate that we just landed on that yeah that is monde i don’t like sticks in my corn dogs well what do you like like some boneless you like boneless corn dogs are you boneless going dogs so you like hot dogs no i agree with that this is stupid stick shouldn’t be there it’s it’s hot but like you’re supposed to eat it like a normal hobby josh it’s hot when you touch it you burn your fingies you should okay what we need then are like corn cob holders but we need corn dog holders where they’re little pincers that you can put in the ends but they don’t go all the way through it and so then you can eat all the batter off your corn dog and then throw the hot dog away why would you throw the hot dog away i just want the batter the point is nicole i watched you just eat a ton of plain corn dog batter when we were recipe testing for the bisquick thing that’s because it wasn’t good it was good it was better without the hot dog you put damn crab in there like a like at some sort of corn dog doctor it was great corn dogs i hate that the things that i am actually good at cooking are all like you know garbage it’s carny food yes garbage i’m good at making carnie food uh juno virtue says it’s just called spaghetti not spaghetti bolognese they spelled it like ball oh so this person is saying like spaghetti bolognese shouldn’t be called spaghetti bolognese you should be just called spaghetti no broth it’s called spagbol bag bowling it’s called spagbol bruv you like spaghetti that’s your story straight up i love spaghetti my mom makes the best fake bowl uh why does this person have an issue with bolognese i think it’s just like it’s just called spaghett like in their house like it’s called spaghetti like like like we don’t make bolognese we make gravy on sunday make sunday giovanni grace over and tony comes over mario antonio comes over tony junior comes over at shananna gandolf great name mozzarella sticks are always better dipped in chunky salsa hey now that’s good here’s the thing i love that when you dip mozzarella sticks and marinara sauce do you prefer the marinara to be warm or cold oh well are the are my sticks hot yeah your sticks is hot if my sticks are my sauce is cold why did you laugh at that it sounded like a life lesson if the sticks was hot and the sauce is cold you sound like an old like a 1950s woman smoking a cigarette my sticks is hot they’re inhaling an unfiltered cigarette massage is cold you know what that means don’t you you wanted me to make you a man oh my gosh yes that’s pretty much who i am on the inside but yeah if it’s if i eat my sticks huh and my sauce cold all right that sounds good it’s just marinara with some extra acid and spice to it i’m into it i prefer i think i truly prefer salsa to marinara for dipping things so i’m on your team let’s see what’s next eric crane 20 says chicken is a more versatile meat than steak brussels sprouts should never be on a food plate everything they got a twofer they they just insert two opinions so chicken is more versatile meat than steak i think they’re both versatile you’re just lazy and brussels sprouts should never be on a food plate ever brussels sprouts are delicious i understand that they kind of smell like farts but it’s okay there’s nothing wrong with eating food that smells like farts pork farts last night i thought about just tweeting at one in the morning pork farts but instead trevor thinks i should retweet i should just tweet pork farts uh because we were talking about i had a 14 pound pork roast that i had been procrastinating cooking and anyways the only thing i’ve eaten over the last week is just 14 pounds of pork and so pork farts naturally came up for no relevant reason anyways when this person says chicken is a more versatile meat than steak my problem is steak’s not in meat he talks about chicken chicken chicken’s the whole animal yeah yeah cow’s a hole in it i think he’s saying chicken breast they are saying chicken breast are you sure i’m just gonna assume maybe is chicken breast more versatile than steak we can eat steak raw you can eat yeah actually grind steak i know what they’re saying though i more often than not like i’m eating chicken i eat chicken four or five times more than i eat beef uh you know it like like half and half like i eat a lot of meat we’ve established all i eat now is pork and i’m fine with it yesterday when we had all those ribs i was like dreading having to take those home and eat them because i just gone through 14 pounds of pig meat no no i got chris some good old sound like an ogre i hooked him up fat i just eaten i had seven kilos of pig meat ew and on that note thank you for listening to a hot dog sandwich we got new episodes for you every wednesday if you want to be featured on opinions or like casseroles you can hit us up on twitter at mythicalchef or enjoy with the hashtag opinion casserole and for more mythical kitchen check us out on youtube we launch new videos every week and of course if you want to share pics of your dishes hit us up on instagram at mythicalkitchen see you next time tomatoes are porn tomatoes are born what okay you guys remember little jump yeah yeah [Music] when it comes to your journey hyundai is thinking of every mile that’s 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