ramble before you get into today’s episode it’s me trevor everetts the host of the podcast trevor talks too much here to tell you about a very special episode we have uh it’s gonna be all me solo not only will i be talking too much by my darn self but i’ll be giving you all a closer look into my mind the window into the inner workings of the mythical swag lord uh so we’ll be talking a bit more about me this particular episode is all about some of the struggles i’ve had coming out of the pandemic social anxiety and how some of these new connections have me kind of looking deeper into my inner self and doing some reflection so don’t forget to be on the lookout for this episode next week by subscribing to trevor talks too much on apple spotify or wherever you get your podcast crispy delicious and comes in a bag but does the cheese that goes crunch belong in the same club as its snack aisle counterparts it ain’t easy being cheesy today we ask the question are cheetos chips this is a hot dog is a sandwich ketchup is a smoothie yeah i put ice in my cereal so what that makes no sense hot dog is a sandwich a hot dog is a sandwich welcome to our podcast a hot dog is a sandwich the show where we break down the world’s biggest food debates i’m your host josh sharer and i’m your host nicole hendizade and today we are debating whether cheetos qualify as chips just a quick preface i didn’t know this is a question until i saw it on twitter and until it came up organically in the office we were like doing an episode of gmm yeah and someone it was a chip related episode and someone brought up cheetos and someone’s like cheetos aren’t chips and i’m like of course cheetos are chips and i thought about it and i was like i don’t know we don’t know i had to do a lot of soul searching for this one but nicole i want to hear what you have to say first yeah i’m talking really fast right now because this is a this might affect our podcast performance nicole and i just ate giant bowls of indomie special chicken ramen um and it had more salt than anything i’ve maybe ever eaten in my life and it was delicious but now it’s like if i don’t stop talking then my mouth can’t dry out from all the salt yeah my ankles are swollen but that’s neither here nor there so you were talking about soul-searching yeah i did not have to do any soul-searching in this i knew the answer cheetos are not chips they’re not chips have you always known that cheetos aren’t chips yes a cheeto listen a cheeto is its own eponymous thing it is what it is it’s a cheeto it is a cheesy corn snack that’s a great use of the word eponymous thank you i googled it last night uh okay so you think the cheetahs literally have like their own category their own eponymous category absolutely and the same way that that’s a lot of the argument with a hot dog being a sandwich or people go hot dogs or not sandwiches they are simply hot dogs they are important enough to have their own category for sure i don’t know if that’s the case because i’m never ever ever going to debate if a hot dog yeah i refuse to try to already lock you into a hole no no no i’m not going to touch that so that’s its own separate debate that we’ll never have maybe in our minds but i’m convinced that a cheeto is not a chip i i’ve thought long and hard about this one and i’ve come to conclusion that cheetos are indeed chips however i i’m still kind of wavering on this one i don’t think there’s anything wrong with that normally i come in hard and fast with the most ridiculous opinions that you know i cannot actually back up but this is one of those that like i’m almost floating it out there it’s like i’m looking for my mind to being changed you know is it because they’re in the chip aisle it’s not just because they’re in the chip aisle to me pretzels are in the chip i was just about to say what are pretzels there yeah i wouldn’t consider pretzels chips but i think i may be coming in with my own baggage on that because i have a heavy anti-pretzel bias and that is because of one thing one i do love snacking on pretzels by themselves however okay nicole we lived the same high school experience we’re roughly the same age in the same region did you have flamin hot munchies at your high school yeah but those are always trash they were trashed for one reason the pretzels no they were just trash they would have been the single greatest chip snack of all time there are mini doritos mini sun chips which i really love these i love sun chips so it’s mini flamin hot doritos sun chips and cheetos all in the same bag but it’s 90 pretzels by weight it was those three fantastic things and then pretzels weighing it down pretzels are useless when they’re in a mix like that in chex mix they’re absolutely useful oh my gosh if you were any chex mixed piece what would you be i would be the brown bread piece oh the rye chip yeah it’d be a rice chip because you’re like you’re like hard and crunchy but people like like you against your own i’m just a ride chip bro i don’t know i’m the only one that likes the wheat chex oh you’re a wheat chug yeah they’re thin do you know why you like them probably because the actual seasoning sticks to them in a very unique way that the other ones the other little pieces don’t get and they’re toothsome they’re like al dente yeah yeah i told and they’re like like really thin layers inside no one else has understood me i understand thank you i feel you you’re also a darker chip you’re you’re the darker little piece that’s a metaphor yeah yeah yeah i some people believe in astrology some people believe in tarot i believe in like pouring out a bag of chex mix and whatever you see your own face in you know that can tell you a lot about yourself in your future i am a right ship through and through but i agree with you that the pretzels are the worst part but have you ever had snyders of hanover pretzel pieces honey mustard and onion yes are those not the best pretzels you’ve ever put in your mouth dude those are absolutely the best pretzels they they like shatter the pretzels they make pretzels and then they shatter them and they soak them in oil and then they soak them in this just like electric yellow green yeah flavor powder and so much the flavor powder sticks to them but those aren’t chips i don’t consider pretzels chips mainly because they’re not fried but i might be working myself into a corner on this because i would consider cheetos chips simply based on the fact that like they are in a bag in the snack aisle they are fried they are often covered in a flavor powder they’re more of a savory churro when you think about it in my opinion that’s the thing if you think about the actual cookery of these things it does not make sense that they are a chip like the etymology of the word chip it ain’t that deep to use the word etymology yeah but it’s literally because it’s like you know someone chipped off parts of a potato into fry oil like the actual origin supposedly of the potato chip is like you know some cook and again all of these origin stories are 100 false absolutely but like someone you know a fish and chip shop or whatever was peeling potatoes really fast because it was all busy and then some of the potato peeling has gotten the oil and he was like blimey mate there’s chips and vet oil oh no now they’re crisps and like that’s the origin of the potato chips so it’s literally like someone you know just chipping off parts of potato and then like you know that kind of evolved into you know the the tortilla chip was kind of mainstreamed in actually america in like you know the um kind of early 1940s i think okay like the origin have you heard the origin of fritos no but i’ve i always thought the origin of potato chips was there was this uh this like surly restaurant owner that was not in a good mood and he saw one of his patrons that he didn’t get along with and he’s like they used to like serve like pieces of potato right i’ve heard this yeah and then they shaved it super thin and then he’s like here are your potatoes and then it was potato chips that’s my that’s how i heard it it was like no some guy like complained that the chips were cut too thick right oh yeah i think so it’s like can you cut these thinner the guy was like you want thinner chips why you switched from a cockney accent to like i don’t know some tennessee in my mind like you want thinner chips fine i’ll make the chips as thin as i can yeah all i remember in like potato chip lore is that someone had an attitude problem that’s like a lot of these food things the only thing i really like the origin of the french dip like someone dropped the sandwich into the actual braising liquid and they’re just like ah screw it here you go and now the french dip totally in the origin of national hot chicken oh no i don’t know this one oh so uh supposedly i think it’s the prince family of prince’s hot chicken that’s like a big natural one um the the matriarch of the family’s husband was cheating on her and she knew but she didn’t you know want to want to kind of just outright get him and so she waited for him to come home and she knew he loved spicy fried chicken and she was like i’m gonna make it so spicy i’m gonna ruin him i am gonna ruin his day he’s gonna be vengeful chicken from a scorned wife and then he was like this is good and she was like well that lesson certainly didn’t teach you and then i don’t know what happened i hope they worked it out as a family they seem to be doing fine now with all their restaurants and whatnot but yeah there’s a lot but i still don’t think cheetos a chip back to cheetos or a chip if you look at the actual cookery of it it doesn’t make sense that it would be a chip because it has nothing to do with like you know it’s not thin no it’s not uh you know particularly flat crunchy fried it’s not flat and like chip is literally refers to the shape of a flat thing i suppose yeah i just feel like it a chip is is a thin flat fried thing but a cheeto does not fit that description at all it’s fat chunky well have you ever had a cheeto puff before yeah cheeto puff is its own entity that’s incredibly not chip-like no it’s not a chip at all it’s a puff a funyun is also a puff a funny yeah so the actual what we’re referring to with the puff thing is literally it’s it’s aerated like popcorn right it’s literally it’s the corn seeds or whatever are like put under pressure yes and it’s literally like spouted through what you can only call a mechanical sphincter yes you know like you we’ve had to look at like videos of onions being made and cheetos are made during and cheetahs are made with the same process where like they’re literally shot through this high-pressured gun in a factory and he was like and then out comes this puffed cheeto and then they’re fried and covered in flavor dust and all that and like that’s such a radically different process than chips but at the same time if you employ the road trip defense what’s the road trip cool the road trip defense if you’re on a road trip someone goes hey yo get me a bag of chips and someone comes out with funyuns or cheetos they would be absolutely reasonable to do so do you think so no i mean funyuns maybe because they’re round and similar ooh why are funding safer than cheap because they’re round and chips are some most of the time round oh yeah we all know those round doritos oh my gosh stop it that’s a corn chip i understand but yeah we’re not talking about like like we’re not saying our cheetos potato chips right because obviously they’re not they’re made out of our cheetos corn yes are they chips because obviously potato chips and tortilla chips they’re made from two entirely different plants but they’re still chips and they’re still very similar possibly because they’re they’re flat and crispy and covered in flavor dust and so i would you know consider under that umbrella cheetos and funions to be in the same thing also in a specific way that pretzels are not i just think they’re puffs because if i said get me some get me some chips someone came out with pretzels i would be like what are you mormon is that discriminatory against mormons i’d be like what are you a puritan coming out with just plain pretzels when i asked for chips no no i wanted some spicy sweet chili doritos i wanted some flamin hot cheetos i wanted some wasabi funyuns r.i.p one of the greatest discontinued snacks of all time you ever have a little wasabi funyuns never have i ever oh were they fire they were so fire were they onion and wasabi or just wasabi oh they were onion and zombie it was it was like wasabi peas but in all that puffed oh onion form i just got chills that sounds absolutely delicious but i don’t but there’s something about the the shape and size i guess of a cheeto the thin long uh like wizard staff a staff it is a staff of of corny goodness and i just don’t think it it falls into the category of a chip but what is the what is the utility of a chip to dip i know that’s that’s another thing i’m worried about what do you because you don’t dip cheeto you ever dip cheeto i mean dip cheetos and cream cheese jinx wait hold on bagel with flamin hot cheetos on it okay so it is reasonable to assume that you would dip cheetos into cream cheese say at the same rate as you would dip i don’t know uh barbecue potato chips into any other dip yeah i mean it’s not preferred you definitely can use it in that way but it’s preferred and probably uh most popular method is just eating a whole bag of them with your fingers all red and or orange i would want to see some actual number because like i said i i didn’t initially think that cheetos were a dippable chip which to me is a case against them being chips you know but you do dip them in cream cheese i mean yeah you do but do we have to take popularity of dippable chips into account because it’s like do people just it’s the important question do people dip or is the important question should people do because how much do you enjoy cheetos dipping cream cheese it’s incredible it’s incredible it’s a wonderful sensation of memory it’s a great chip and dip combo yeah great chip and dip combo but i don’t think it’s a chip i just said let me finish my sentences before you just ransack my whole method my mouth is so salty yeah i am my face my cheeks are puffy like i am growing exponentially as this con chris the sound guy is shaking his head because he agrees he’s been seeing my face grow as this conversation goes well chris ate the noodles too so he’s we’re all we’re all struggling they’re really delicious though no i think you know i think the difference is they put the salt packet in there and you’re supposed to choose how much you add oh and you and i just dumped the whole thing it’s like pick your own mystery book yeah choose your own adventure choose your own adventure ramen but no i just think there’s something about i think it’s the shape and the size and i think it’s the powder on the top too for some reason cheeto powder sticks to your fingers in a way that other chip powders don’t stick as much have you noticed that like when you’re eating a bag of hot cheese it’s a cakier powder it’s a much cakier powder like you’re left with snacks on your fingers afterwards like that that same sensation doesn’t always happen with like a frito or like a cool ranch dorito or like i feel like that that is outside of the concept of chip hood though i feel like you can’t fault the flavor powder on top of it because if we strip everything from because plain potato chips and plain tortilla chips are still chips right sure they are so what if like a plain cheeto does that change anything in your mind i’ve never had a plain cheeto they they don’t exist of course they sell them at whole foods they’re just like plain flavored cheese puffs no those are cheese puffs do you mean just a corn sorry just a plain corn puff not a cheese puff it’s just like a plain log oh corn a lago corn i don’t think i’ve ever had a lago corn yeah they’re not great no why would i okay what if you took the cheeto consistency though still puffs still extruded so there’s two kinds of cheetos there’s cheetos and cheetos puffs crunchy cheetos and puppies okay crunchy okay great yeah okay so what if you took you know either you can take either because they’re kind of the same process one’s just a little bit more than the other and one’s obviously a lot you know more uniform what if you took that and like is there a point at which you could flatten it out enough that it would reasonably be considered a chip for you i don’t think uh i’m saying still puffy have you ever had sabritos sure sabritos are essentially flat big thing the flat it’s fine yeah but they they sell them lays started making them lays had this like big push into the like latino community uh where they started doing like the laze limon and they brought in takis and all that uh and then the sabritos are another thing and they’re like a puffed wheat snack i would call them a chip but now i’m kind of questioning everything about the word chip i don’t think that’s a chip but they’re flat and they’re dippable they are still puffed in the same way through the same method as cheetos they are a puffed snack they are a puffed snug but these are flatter but they’re chip shaped so if you said that the shape is indicative because they are still flat and like you know kind of they could they could hold some dip is what i’m saying okay yes but but i don’t think they classify as chips so i think they’re puffed right they’re a puffed corn snack that’s a mouthful yeah say that every time p hold on let’s let’s abbreviate this p c p oh yeah pcp an acronym that has no other meaning at all oh no it’s okay yeah so yeah when when you’re you know going through a bag of pcp nicole yes there’s a coffee shop in la that’s just called paramount coffee project and it’s also pcc oh the one on fairfax 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said they smelled rancid like chicken soup yeah it was horrific but they’re chips i mean what about what about then chicharrons like chicharrones do you consider those chips then because like you’re saying these chips are literally made out of chicken yeah pork rinds are not chips why are chicken chips chips with pork rind or not chips because of the way they’re shaped but pork rinds is like too puffy so you think the actual like leavening on the chip you think there is a minimum standard for or there is a maximum standard of thickness for chips absolutely i think the puff and the rise and the the chemical compounds that create this beautiful like puffed item totally change it for me what about then doritos 3d do you remember doritos 3d i know you were gonna do this to me i okay i love doritos 3d my dad used to work at a gas station i come from money i don’t know if you can tell my dad used to work at a gas station when i was a kid and every day he would bring me back a pepsi blue and a jalapeno cheddar 3d doritos that’s really cute pepsi blue was maybe the worst soda ever made i’ve never had a pepsi blue before then i feel like my dad worked at a gas station at the exact moment of all the wildest gas station stacks to come out because pepsi blue was out which had like the most aggressive mid-2000s font was it actually blue yeah it was like it was like strangely blue flavored there was no like berry there was no fruit it was just like this tastes of blue like a bang energy almost yeah exactly i just had that it’s like the soda big red but this was big blue and it was made by pepsi okay and also at the same time coke black had come out oh you love coke blood i talk about coke black all the time it was the sexiest cola probably oh my gosh chris i cannot tell you how sexy coke black was it was like uh you see the old ads for virginia slims when you were a kid and you’re like i know cigarettes are bad but like shielded me from that stuff it’s just like it’s a coke black was espresso mixed with cola but it was in this like thin sleek bottle oh my gosh and it had like this kind of uh acid washed like tan and black design on it and i remember drinking that as like an 11 year old and being like i’m sophisticated i’m sexy i’m samantha ooh i want some shoes i don’t know oh my god was that a really bad sex in the city reference yeah a little harry likes shoes she’s a monogamous fan manolo blahnik samantha likes um making love to ups drivers and there is nothing wrong with that we’re sex positive on the hot dogs the sandwich podcast ryan what are you writing down in your edit notes don’t you dare pull that kim katral please come on our podcast we would love to have you sweetie anyways doritos 3d okay doritos 3d are a puffed snack have you ever had so you would not consider them a chip even though they are materially made from the same ingredients as doritos but you’re saying are they made materially from the same ingredients as doritos i believe that i believe they are puffed if you’re so the cooking so the cooking method has changed yes so does a cooking method change the definition of something i think it certainly can yeah so if i’m making uh like if i’m making suajeros you know swadero is the the pork skin right no that’s chicharron sweater is a brisket oh what’s what is the the pork skin that you put in toasty locos oh cuerritos corritos are pork skin right pickled pork skin yeah okay and what is chicharron pork skin fried pork skin yeah so same ingredient different same ingredients different cooking methods they started out the same but whenever you apply you know pickling and whatever flash cooking those are two totally different dishes that you’re creating you can make okay so cornmeal is an ingredient that’s used in a cheeto okay yes corn i agree with this so if i take corn and i turn it into polenta that’s a dish polenta’s my i thought polenta is what khloe kardashian ate after her birth no that’s a placenta that’s placenta okay she used a doula to make placenta pills oh she didn’t really turn it into a meal you no you dry you take your placenta you dry it in a dehydrator and then you crush it up into a powder and you put it in little gelatinized pills and you eat it and that’s how cheetos are made exactly don’t talk to me but i know i was going to be a doula see yeah wait you told me you were going to tell me a story about wanting to be a doula earlier we like doula came up we were playing jeopardy as we do in the office this is our one treat and otherwise a lifetime of misery and hell i’m kidding our jobs are really sweet uh we’re playing jeopardy and doula came up and nicole just looks at me and trevor and goes i was gonna be a doula once i’ll tell you later and she never told us if you want to you have your platform here nicole talk about midwifery i was about to completely drop like all of my culinary knowledge and everything i was really like down on my luck i’m like ugh i’m never gonna be in the food industry i hate it so much and i called my friend who was also in the food industry with me we worked at a chocolate store together and she dipped and she became a doula and then i was like i called her for four hours and i’m like i don’t want to be in the food industry anymore i want to be a doula show me how to do it and she’s like and i was about to sign up for a doula uh seminar because you don’t really need much training you need like not that much training the doula community is gonna come after us no doulas are amazing people they do amazing work i love them it’s why i wanted to be one because they’re such inspirational people and um i was like i’m gonna leave the food world i’m never gonna do this again and i was about to sign up for a four-hour course and then my mom looked at me and she’s like you better finish your food stuff and you better be successful in it because i’m not gonna let you be a doula once you spent already five years of your life doing this you have to accomplish what you came to be on this earth for and fast forward to now you’re talking about placentas on the internet i’m not a doula but like if this whole food thing doesn’t work out i can help make placenta pills for you yeah we have all these backup plans i’m gonna teach uh beefy teens how to throw a shot put far enough they can get a college scholarship and then create just an entire like dynasty of beefy high school shop putting teams yeah shop pudding for you placenta pools for me we’re definitely great all right speaking of cheetos so you seem to be completely caught up on the thickness of everything i do i think there’s something about about the rise and the and the chemical compounds whenever it hits the hot oil or or the air or whatever pressurized form that it’s being cooked in it completely changes it for me because it no longer has that chip like consistency or visual for me so it’s it’s not what it is anymore i feel that i i do find that a compelling argument but then how do you differentiate from say chip to cracker like if you got like look at a say a bagel chip do you consider those chips or any sort of um you know uh like lavash cracker sure is that a chip because it looks exactly like a tortilla chip for the sake of language i’ll call those chips you will yes because there and there’s something interesting there’s something like a piece of lavash or a piece of bagel which has been transformed through cooking process to become a thin flat crispy dippable item wow so okay if we apply the road trip test to this because we talked about something similar in the tomatoes or fruit and vegetable of like you know at what point does you using such specific language you know take the utility out of language because the point of language is to communicate ideas as in like yo i want a bag of chips and if you came out with lavash crackers versus cheetos i’d be pissed and i would have a reason to be this nicole but if they’re i think it’s if the package specifies that they’re lavash chips not lavash crackers what’s the difference though crackers are heated up in the oven so you’re saying all chips are fried they should they should be what about baked glaze baked doritos that’s the big thing these are disgusting we’re not here to discuss if they’re good or bad yeah they’re terrible they’re they’re a fallacy i hate baked anything but chips do you still consider them chips or do you think once you bake it it becomes a cracker i think if you take a a an item like like a bagel or a piece of lavish or pita that has already gone through its process and then you dry it out or you fry it oh see this is my issue like i don’t know who’s making lava’s chips that’s the thing i oh you know what it came to mind because um i went to otm like a long time ago like on its opening and he made this lamb tartare with lavash chips and it was bad because he should you know let middle eastern people cook some food his wife is lebanese oh really yeah i want to know that anyways odium’s fine but he had lavos chips on there and that’s what got me thinking about this because it’s it’s you know somewhere between a chip and a cracker and i don’t know what to call it i’m gonna backtrack there’s no such thing as a lavash chip because oh but i don’t know see this because what’s a tortilla chip lavash and tortilla are almost the exact same ingredients this is what i’m saying of course it ain’t that simple i’m stressed it’s never that simple ryan you can’t see my face right now but i’m stressed out she’s freaking out and it’s also really puffy i’m sure i’m rocking her world are my under eyes puffy yeah you look drunk i think i have an msg allergy i feel like my lymph nodes are actually hot located yeah the other day in the car i yawned and my jaw cramped and i’ve never had not even it was like a muscle under my jaw cramped somebody has tmj yeah that definitely heating pad advil liquids that’s what you need uh workout three hours a day sleep four hours a day come here and just stress about procrastinating i’m gonna do that instead because that’s my normal mode of being oh my gosh i mean see i think there’s a there’s a thin line on what is a cracker and they chip but i don’t think there’s a line of if a cheeto is a chip that’s defined that is what it is a cheeto is not a chip because it’s puffed and raised and whatever but lavash chips and bagel chips that’s trickier for me but that’s not the prompt of this podcast well no because i know i need you to define what exactly why do i have to do that you do it you were i know i said before that i don’t have the answers on this one which is a new position for me today i want to take the role of socrates in this and you know being the inquisitor and trying to figure out what’s really gonna say are you trying to do the socratic method to ruin this so the reason that i and i still do believe that cheetos are chips are when we talk about utility like you said that there’s such a fine line between say chip and cracker like you’re more likely to call a tortilla chip a chip than say a lavash chip especially if it’s baked you know even if a lava chip is fried it doesn’t seem likely that you would call it a chip but that’s only because we’re so inundated with this like you know uh triumvirate of like you know don’t don’t don’t use words i don’t know i’m saying there aren’t that many chips that when you say get me a bag of chips from the 7-eleven you know you’re not talking about bagel chips you’re not talking about pretzels you’re not talking about this like you were talking about doritos fritos lay’s yeah kettle chips these are cheetos you’re talking about cheetos cheetos you know what you did you brought out fringe chips you brought out you brought up some chips no you talked about sunshine you know what you did with the bagel lavash debate you brought in some outliers and some fringe things that’s how you got to do you got to go to the outliers then you got to narrow it down okay a bagel chip is a chip because it it flattens out so all flat things are cheap no no no have you seen a bake okay what is a bagel a bagel is a piece of bread it’s a piece of bread that’s literally but it’s leavened and you just talked about chips hold on hold on hold on let me think let me think [Laughter] no you’re not understanding so you take something that’s already been leaven that did all of the leavening that it had to do okay it’s a finished product and then you slice it so it’s thin like a chip and then you draw out all the moisture and it becomes crispy like a chip a lavosh is a piece of already thin bread so if you dry it out it’s like a cracker chip hybrid i cannot define that because i haven’t thought about it clearly enough and i’m under pressure so that’s the one okay out of the options you have given me i’m trying to speak very calmly because sometimes i talk really fast on this podcast take your time take your time and i’m trying to be as uh eloquent as i can be okay so a bagel chip is a chip a lavash chip is more of a cracker a frito is a chip a lay’s potato chip is a chip a funyun is not a chip but if you brought it to me like if you were like a gas station and you brought it to me fine whatever i’m not gonna fight you on it don’t give me cheetos because cheetos aren’t a chip they’re crisp they’re puff if you said get me a bag of chips and i came out with flamin hot cheetos you would literally be like josh you defied my orders because that’s how it works in this world you give me orders i’d be like josh this is not what i asked for but i’m down i would just be like no it’s okay so flamin hot cheetos is like my it’s like my favorite thing in the world so if you were to bring so if i asked you to bring me a sandwich and you brought me hot cheetos i’d be happy if i said buy me an ice cream and you brought me hot cheetos i’d be happy so i’m not the right person to ask but if like joe schmoe wanted chips and you brought him you know cheetos he’d probably be mad you think so i think i think it’s it’s not the proper thing it’s acceptable but it’s improper yeah i feel that it’s definitely an outlier in the chip category i guess that it’s not the most chip-like chip in the same way that like a bichon frise is not the most dog-like dog right you wanted a dog is very much a dog what are the crappy little dogs that no one likes chihuahua what i’m saying is like air bud that’s more of a dog than the taco bell chihuahua josh that’s not true at all all dogs are considered dogs even the ones with three legs no they’re just if someone said draw a dog you’re drawn air bud you’re drawing a golden you know how to draw a dog no i just thought about that the only dog i could draw is the dog that’s wearing pants what i’m saying cheetos you know what i mean the dog it’s like which is yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah anyways the point is cheetos are definitely they’re somewhat of an outlier i get that they are not the same shape as most what some would call traditional chips to me they still serve the same function i think to me it’s like the term soft drink where it’s like i have no idea what that means i’ve never even thought to like google what soft drink means what’s the origin is it what comes out of a machine maybe but if someone said get me a soft drink and you know you got him that uh what is it the brisk uh iced tea that’s exactly what i was thinking peach and the one from uh chicken yeah yeah i’d be stoked even though soft drink might mean soda that might be the technical definition the way that chip might be something flat and cheetos don’t fit the technical definition still i think it’s an umbrella that we can embrace lots of things under i still don’t think a cheeto is a chip i will stand by the fact that it is a dippable puffed snack i i accept your points and definitions and i think we can all come together over the fact that uh you probably just asked for cheetos by name because that’s what if i were playing hot cheetos i would be like yo get me flamin hot cheese eponymous it is its own entity and it deserves to be called by its name cheetos i accept that i will call you by your name cheetos and featuring timothy chalamet when it comes to your journey hyundai is thinking of every mile that’s where the new 2023 hyundai palisade comes in the palisade offers all the technology safety features and comfort a family needs for the journey ahead and boy does it really have so many tech safety and comfort features stay connected with the palisades wi-fi hotspot capabilities so you can keep the kids entertained on a long car ride or help a friend work on the go if you want to start that weekend trip early and if you’ve ever been clipped or had a mishap or you opened the door into a vehicle behind you the class exclusive safe exit assist the hyundai palisade has is a lifesaver it prevents the rear doors from opening if the vehicle detects traffic approaching from behind the palisade also has available third row heated power folding seats which is perfect for people who run cold and it can fit up to eight passengers comfortably taking this car with this much capacity would be a huge asset on that next group cabin you can say that again nicole it’s your journey learn more at hyundai usa.com safe exit assist is not a substitute for driver passenger attentiveness always be aware of your surroundings and attentive of approaching vehicles [Music] nicole we’ve heard what you and i have to say now it’s time to find out what other wacky ideas are rattling out there in the twitterverse it’s time for a segment we call opinions are like casseroles [Music] all right first up we got unknown ireful cheese whiz and pickles on a sandwich is okay hand i imagine that’s an emoji that did not get translated no it did not dude yeah cheese whiz um to me i grew up eating whiz wit cheese steaks because my family is from outside philadelphia shout out to allentown the big a town down what so i love love love love cheese whiz to me it is the like absolute best processed cheese product it’s better than easy cheese it’s better than kakana cheese balls nicole you grew up eating coconut cheese balls ryan grew up ryan you had to have had grown up eating coconut cheese balls no but i know what they look like and i always wanted them because they were in the fancy cheese section and i would just look at them longingly like this like i really want one of those cheese balls but they had bacon on them and i couldn’t be baking them some well some of them just have like nuts and like like red wine red wine and yeah oh yeah it’s they’re awful they are literally just like it’s literally like solid cheese with nuts on the outside oh that sucks but i grew up eating so much processed cheese cheese swiss to me is the undisputed king goes great with pickles i would opt for either jalapenos or pickled cherry peppers on that as well but yeah keep eating your cheese and pickle sandwiches if the bread is toasted i’m down if it’s like just like a piece of limp white bread i can’t we we should this is maybe a discussion that no one wants to have an argument that does not exist i maintain that all bread 99 of the time is better untoasted oh my god [ __ ] i almost never toast my bread i almost always steam it when i’m making sandwiches you saw me make a breakfast sandwich earlier where i took the bun and i put it on top of the ham in the pan it’s because you have soft teeth no yeah i am not defined by my soft teeth have i had are you sure a lot of dental work done yes have my fillings come out from eating gummy candies occasionally but no my teeth can handle hard bread well it sounds like you can’t my the roof of my mouth often does not enjoy you know the toast scraping it so maybe i got a delicate little mouth [Laughter] yellow key a little milk no my thing is you already cooked bread bread cooked you done it you don’t need to cook it again you don’t need to twice bake your bread of course you do you use cocoa once it’s soft and pillowy that’s the joy of bread it gets soggy and gross toast the old stuff i don’t wanna talk about this toast the old stuff fine we’re gonna make this give me the fresh bread lacy ma zero says grew up eating party delights colon spam cheddar cheese and sweet gherkin cubed mixed into mayo and mustard on half a hamburger bun boiled until cheese melted hashtag yummy that sounds delicious uh holy crap that sounds that’s a that’s quite a delight if you ask me that’s good wait that sounds like you know what it sounds like to me a bit of like a croque madam yeah totally totally because you get like from the mayonnaise and the cheese being broiled you almost get this kind of bechamel equality totally and like when you broil mayonnaise like you do on a like a dynamite roll at a sushi restaurant broiled mayonnaise gets this like lovely little crust on it i love dynamite almost custardy holy party delights dude spam cheddar cheese pickles mayo mustard broiled on a hamburger god that sounds good that’s like right up my hand this is yeah this is sending me to a place i didn’t know i wanted to be but i’m glad i’m there now for sure it sounds delicious lacey ma 0902 holy crap this is genius yeah goodbye have you ever seen that i don’t know i gotta make it now yeah all right at mod squad mike thoughts on this knowledge is knowing the tomato is a fruit wisdom is being smart enough to not put it in a fruit salad didn’t i quote this yesterday you did i still think i don’t like this i don’t i don’t think we can break the world down into you know sentences that sound more profound than they actually are right have you ever put uh tomatoes and peaches with like burrata and basil is that not a tim is that not a fruit salad no oh no i was actually it’s funny because i was i was listening to our episode the other day and i was talking about you know tomatoes belonging to vegetable cell salad fruit smelling a fruit salad and then i thought about a really delicious stone fruit and tomato salad i had and i was like oh maybe i’m just talking out of my b-hole totally uh because yeah tomatoes and stone fruit go really freaking well together um but no this this whole thing of like you know knowledge is knowing that tomato is a fruit and wisdom is not putting in a fruit cell and what not i think we need to look at the epistemological definition of the word is nicole tomato is knowing it is a fruit did you say epistemological epistemological epistemological epistemology is the study of knowledge dude that’s for sure going to be on jeopardy dude that’s definitely going to be a good word it’s one of those quotes like we have nothing to fear but fear itself it makes no damn sense no one called him on it you’re not scared about fear no one called them no he had like there were actual things to fear of course wouldn’t you fear fear itself no you fear a total war in a a crumbling world anyways you’re on another level i’m sorry peyton lee underscore idk want to make it pb and j 100 times better add goldfish the snack so good number one thank you for clarifying i was gonna go into my local goldfish purveyor and just scoop up some fishies and put them in my sandwich so thank you so much for completely erasing that um you know what makes it better i actually tweeted this uh frosted flakes or corn flakes inside of your pb j makes it a million times better you know what i like doing to my pb and j what me i like adding chips inside and my favorite chips to add with pb and j lays cheetos got them what you put cheetos inside of your pb and js what kind of ginger do you use no oh like crap jam like uh like like grape jelly and straight up jiffy peanut butter it doesn’t work with any there it is yeah yeah it doesn’t work with yeah laura scudders and i do i have man i have been on a different level with my artisanal pb and j’s at home oh my god it’s incredible i’ve been going to the farmer’s market been dropping like because you know it feels good to spend money right that’s the thing we can all agree on yeah you know like a little retail therapy but you know normally what i’m doing is the restaurants sure and so now it’s just like you know i’ll uh my girlfriend would go to the farmer’s market and i’ll be like yo give me 30 worth of nut butter uh and so that’s that’s my big indulgence they have this like roasted cashew cinnamon nut butter with like a red plum jam that sounds really really good so that’s the most exciting thing that’s happened to me in the last five months awesome would you do but would you add goldfish yeah i think goldfish would be good it’s okay all right at the troyer troyer my family had the same meal for dinner every saturday cornbread in a bowl with home canned blueberries milk and sometimes butter it wasn’t a religious thing it was just something that we did um yeah this sounds really freaking delicious and it actually really reminds me of a dish that was made by um oh my god what is her name kelsey bernard clark she was the winner of top chef like two seasons ago she made this dish in the finale she made a dish that was just torn cornbread on a plate with like cold buttermilk and then a kind of like crudite melange of like raw fruits and vegetables and stuff and i was like yo that is so simple and so bold and she was like it’s something we grew up eating in the south at my grandmother’s house but she made it like it’s just a little bit cheffy with you know clever presentations of creativity and the judges ate it and they were just like this is one of the best things i’ve ever had and so i think this is kind of in you know the same vein cornbread in a bowl blueberries milk sometimes butter that sounds delicious and refreshing and like the best version of pancakes you could ever have i would love that this is like a real high-low dish you know like i just this is like right up my alley it sounds like the best bowl of cereal i could ever eat yeah this is amazing like all the best dishes have such kind of humble beginnings you know like it sounds so good to me i don’t know what it is it’s just it just sounds like like you like it makes sense that like this is a family thing you know what i mean yeah puts a smile on my face i know me too i can imagine your whole family sitting around and eating that yeah it’s really makes me happy it makes me miss seeing people yeah it honestly it made me kind of nostalgic about like like family stuff yeah look what food does to people that’s crazy okay alex mclaren not really an opinion but how the f do you pronounce worcestershire i pronounce it worcestershire wait say it slowly worcester worcestershire you can’t pronounce it slowly why would i pronounce it slowly it’s worcestershire worcestershire worship to sure worse to sure i say worcestershire okay i think it’s a worchestershire is how it’s kind of spelled but i think it’s a town in britain maybe and they don’t pronounce like any of the letters and all their stuff right they don’t have to they don’t have to they’re british it’s cool they they you know define the way they speak and the own way that they want to i believe this is pronounced worcestershire and i have pronounced it with to share for the longest time and recently i’ve gotten a couple comments and people just go only mate i’m british and that’s correct is how i read it in my mind it’s correct uh and so i don’t know i say worcestershire guy fieri without fail in all the shows goes washer shasha shasha and i always go you’re endearing whenever he does that uh so i don’t know ask a british person though you’re funny i go with to share all right at the troyer troyer again twofer having just eaten a box of each i feel confident in saying that toasted ravioli and mini corn dogs are basically the same toasted ravioli is is a lovely st louis treat what is it it’s like fried ravioli it’s just raviolis that are covered in bread crumbs okay i’ve had that before yeah it’s it’s like a it’s not that crazy it’s kind of worse than like ravioli right yeah yeah i’ve made that before once or twice although what i found out recently that pizza rolls are technically ravioli this may be a podcast episode nicole but that’s the thing i found out recently in my research feel free to take your own direction on that uh i don’t understand how you’d say that basically are you saying they’re the same quality or they’re the same i go mini corn dogs wait what do you mean you go mini corn dogs do you understand what this question is asking no to you it’s saying do you think that toasted ravioli and mini corn dogs are the same thing no one’s ravioli wasn’t corn yeah totally this is wrong you know what are you talking about detroit you literally gave us such an emotional like intense reaction to your family eating cornbread but then you just got to screw it up by talking about toasted ravioli and corn dogs being the same thing yeah edit out the emotional cornbread thing i don’t want to shut it down shut it down all right our chase k people who put sweeteners in grits are the worst grits should be served with butter salt pepper and eggs slash bacon mixed in optional go take your sugar to your oatmeal slash cream of wheat land and leave my grits alone i agree sugar and grits is nasty sugar in grits is nasty disagreeing i i think grits sugar and grits is absolutely delicious just sugar butter maybe a little cinnamon obviously i’m not southern i cannot speak to the actual grit eating experience but coming from a complete outside perspective i love that i think all porridges cause that’s what grits are yeah it’s a corner it’s a harmony cornmeal porridge sure in the same way that oatmeal or cream of wheat or any of that is just a porridge and i think all of those should be able to go either sweet or savory but no one seems to eat savory oatmeal i made it i like savory oatmeal i like savory oatmeal too i get it but it’s like how in america we only tend to eat you know um that’s cause we’re fat sweet we do like to dump sugar into everything yes uh but no i love sugary grits another thing i learned uh from some islander people a couple samoans you put sugar and butter and rice and just mix that together that’s good i don’t know sugar butter white rice i feel like my persian ancestors would just slap me across the face i can’t i’ll try i’ll try it i don’t like sugar and grits i’ve tried it before and i’m not a fan all right and on that note thank you so much for listening to a hot dog into the sandwich we got new episodes for you every wednesday if you want to be featured on opinions or like casseroles you can hit us up on twitter at mythicalchef or endhandyzada with the hashtag opinioncasserole for more mythical kitchen check us out on youtube we 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opening if the vehicle detects traffic approaching from behind the palisade also has available third row heated power folding seats which is perfect for people who run cold and it can fit up to eight passengers comfortably taking this car with this much capacity would be a huge asset on that next group cabin you can say that again nicole it’s your journey learn more at hyundai usa.com safe exit assist is not a substitute for driver passenger attentiveness always be aware of your surroundings and attentive of approaching vehicles tip of approaching vehicles of approaching vehicles