Hey, what’s that one lyric where Biggie Smalls eats a really balanced breakfast? Oh, I know this one. It’s T-Bone steak, eggs, cheese, and Welches Grape. Yeah. You gotta get your protein in early, you know? This is A Hot Dog Is A Sandwich. Ketchup is a smoothie. Yeah. I put ice in my cereal. So what? That makes no sense. A hot dog is a sandwich. A hot dog is a sandwich. What? Welcome to our podcast. A Hot Dog is a Sandwich. The show where we break down the world’s biggest food debates. I’m your host Josh Scherer. And I’m your host Nicole Enayati. And today we are talking about the greatest food lyrics in the history of music and we probably said the winner in the intro. That’s right. That’s right. I don’t know how you can beat that. I do love it when you call me big poppa. I, and I, I’m okay with it if that’s your thing. I, I wouldn’t necessarily request it, but I totally understand. And I’ll, I’ll play along for the time being. How is my, uh, Biggie Smalls impersonation still? Can you do more? Um, yeah, but it’s what. It’s, it’s really embarrassing ’cause I used to have an ex that would, I used to like re, like recite this one lyric and he’d be like, wow, that sounds so much like it. Can you call my friends and pretend you’re Biggie Smalls? And I’m like, yeah, of course. It’s such a people pleaser that feels like such a mid two thousands thing to do such a, you know, that feels like a moment in time where you would, or you would send people to the Sandstorm by Deru hotline. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Remember that there was a number you could call and it would just play the song Sandstorm? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Doing that. Calling people sounding like an artist. That was the height of like commute radio shows. This was like six years ago though. Okay. I thought this was a lot. I thought this was like 2012. You know, we like cruising the morning on Power 1 0 6 would’ve like the prank call shows. Oh my gosh. You know, that felt like it. I grew up on Ryan’s roses personally. I was like, I was a, I was a Kevin and Bean kid. Oh my. Is this interesting to you? Oh, Kevin and Bean was that — International audience, talking about morning radio shows. Was that 106.7? 106.7 KROQ. Wow. Kevin and Bean. Dude. K. Rock, man. Rod, this is Rod on the Rock. So we’re gonna be talking about the greatest food lyrics in music. Why? Because honestly, I love music and Josh’s music too, but we could not be more different in the types of music that we like. Yes, Josh likes what I like to call hard to listen. Rock, not hard rock. I like, no, that’s a good, hard to listen to rock. That is a pretty good descriptor. A lot of it hard, not very good. Well, some of it’s good, some of it, so, so. You know, through osmosis being friends with Josh for about five and a half years, I have learned to like, accept the music he listens to. Not necessarily love it, but I understand the music he listens to and why he listens to it so much. Yeah. I would, I would call it acerbic in a way. Acerbic and I, I did Google what acerbic means, A sharply or bitingly, critical or ironic in temper mood or tone. It’s, it’s a kind of like, yeah. You know what I mean? Um, and I, I have actually picked five of my favorite songs you have with food lyrics here. And like you said, um, a lot of these are gonna be songs that maybe people haven’t heard of. Mm-hmm. But they are ones that are, are very special to me. Okay. And I don’t know if I could consider them the greatest. I have one. And the shirt that I’m wearing is probably a clue as to what I think the single greatest food lyric in, in the history music is. I’m gonna take a guess. Yeah. Is it about pizza toppings? It is indeed about pizza toppings. But what it’s about so much more. It enlighten us, us being the viewers and listeners. Do you, do you want me to, uh, to get into it? Why not you launching my tirade? All right. We’re doing it if you weren’t sure. So I’m wearing a surge ian shirt lead singer of system of Down. Had an incredible solo career as well. Um, but this is the song Chicken Stew off of their third studio album, uh, called Steal This album. Okay. And, uh, it starts off Darren Malawian, right? He comes in on the intro. Uh, ball games in the refrigerator, doors closed. Lights are out. Butter’s getting hard. But then surgeon and Darren come in and they say, what a splendid pie pizza. Pizza pie. Every minute, every second. Bye bye. Bye bye. Buy what? A splendid pie. Pizza. Pizza pie, pepperoni and green peppers, mushrooms, olives, chives, pepperoni, and green peppers. Mushrooms, olive, chives. Need therapy. Therapy. Advertising causes need anyways. The thing that I love about this lyric. Do you have any idea? Like what it’s kind of saying, like why they’re, um, I’ve never heard the song the whole way through. Well, so there, there aren’t many lyrics. It literally just says, what is splendid pie pizza? Pizza pie. Every minute, every second. Bye bye bye. Bye bye. And then need therapy. Therapy, advertise advertising causes need therapy. And that’s the entire song with a very heavy guitar leg. I’m just more upset that they have chives as a pizza topping. ’cause I don’t think I would like chives on my pizza. And that’s all I gotta say about that. So I actually got to ask er donkey and why he included chives and he just said he thought it sounded nice. It kind of rhymes with B. What is it? What? What are, what are the toppings? Pepperoni and green peppers, mushrooms, olives, chives, pepperoni and green peppers. Mushrooms, olives, chives. That works actually a hundred percent that it’s, that’s just a veggie pizza. We love veggie pizza. But there was no more appropriate pizza topping that slant rhymed with the word buy within the song. Mm-hmm. Uh, you know, you couldn’t. I don’t know. Throw on, uh, sopressata at the end there. I’m trying to think of foods that rhyme with buy, but the reason I love this lyric right, is like pie. Sorry. They’re talking about the idea that. Just mass market consumer advertising, flooding the airwaves constantly, which this is a big topic of conversation in the nineties as well. That kind of cable tv, brain rott. Mm-hmm. Okay. Just dominoes and Pizza Hut. Just throwing advertisements at you constantly. This feeling of it being completely overwhelming. If people telling you to buy things, there’s a new triple threat pizza box where you get the brownie and the pizza and you can get the double pepperoni, and if you buy. Three pizzas with three toppings. You get that for the price of two pizzas with two toppings, and download the Domino’s app. Domino’s Pizza Tracker was, you know, almost coming out Sure. Uh, around this time. But like the idea that they’re just screaming the names of pizza toppings at you in the way that advertising feels. Right. And the heavy guitar likes, it’s almost like a sound poem. It invokes this feeling in you mm-hmm. Of being completely overwhelmed and saturated. As we often are, and also using food as a literal like consumable product. Right? Right. Something that you’re just shoving in your gullet. It kind of invokes this like, uh, hyper gluttonous attitude, uhhuh towards the way that we consume everything. I think this is the greatest food lyric of all time. So you mean to tell me capitalism. Yeah. Well, yeah, that’s what all, that’s what a lot of the system of A down songs were about. Well, it know what I called Steal this album. It’s literally called Steal This album. It sure is. Yeah. I get it. I, I just wish there was more. No, but I think, is it just me? No, but I think that is, there are some songs that. You listen to the the lyrics and you’re effectively reading it as a spoken word poem. The lyrics are very meaningful. I agree with that, but I think what I love about music is like the general soundscape, the tone. Yeah. All of it conveys something more than words could ever convey. I agree. And the feeling of listening to the song Chicken Stew. Is the same feeling that you get of being completely just overwhelmed and consumed. Mm-hmm. By advertisements in a way. Interesting, interesting of this just, you know, beautiful long, long Armenian man screaming pizza toppings in your face. Well, what my question, well, Chavo Deon’s base, just going, you know, chugging in the background. My question is what? So it’s just advertising. It’s about advertising and capitalism and just being inundated with that 24 7. Yeah. Yeah. And then all, and then the rest of their work goes into, of course, like the military industrial complex. And they do talk about that a lot. Yeah. Yeah. A hundred percent. They sure do. They sure do. Yeah. A lot of Armenian sovereignty, um, as well. But I think this is more, unless this is about the many lovely Armenia owned pizza joints in the valley, I was gonna. And there, there really are. Maybe this is just in that, maybe I’m misreading the song. Maybe he’s just hungry and they were craving that pizza from the Armenian pizza places. One of my favorite things in LA is you go to a place called like Tony’s, Roma Deli in North Hollywood. They like Kacha and they’ll be Kacha Pui. They’ll call it like gondola pizza or breakfast Pizza. Oh, got so good. Oh my God. It’s the best. Kacha is the best. God, I love the valley so, so much. They should shoulda made a song about Khachapuri. Oh, we can, we can ask him. Serge, if you would make a song about kauri or a jars ski, as it might be more commonly called in Armenia. That’s right. That’s. Right. I think we’d be a happier, happier people. I think so, yeah. Bring the band back together. The first single off the new album. So I’m not gonna talk about my favorite lyrics, I’m just talking about lyrics that really mean a lot to me. Okay. So I don’t know why, but for me, rap music and like hip hop music mm-hmm. Is my favorite way to consume Haha. Like rap food, like rap, like music lyrics about food. I don’t know why. I think for me it’s also like the imagery of it all. And for me, whenever, like I first started listening to like rap music and stuff like that, of course I like knew about the West coast stuff, but for some reason because I watch VH one so much, I learned about rap music from like, and like hip hop music from like. You know the song like The Breaks by Curtis Blow and like Sugar Hill Gang? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And stuff like that. It’s like, Hey, today we’re gonna talk about this and talk about that In a Like a hip pop. A hip, it did the hip. Exactly. Mm-hmm. And for me to this day, the first song I heard where I was like, oh, this guy’s telling a story through food is the Sugar Hill gang, where they talk about going to someone’s house. And having a horrible meal. Do you know what I’m talking about? No, I’ve never heard this. So the first of all, the rapper’s Delight, sugar Hill Gang song is so long. It’s maybe like a 12 to 13 minute song. No, is it? It’s long. It’s long. Here, I’ll Google it. And this is my favorite story. Ever told. Okay, but imagine like I’m a cute like rap. It’s 14 minutes and 37 seconds. Told you it’s one of the longest hip hop songs of all time. And the last stanza pretty much is where this guy’s like, he goes to his friend’s house and he is like, the food just isn’t good. But let me explain everyone over to Friend’s house, see the food. Just ain’t no good. I mean, the macaroni soggy. The peas are mush and the chicken tastes like wood. Oh my God. I have heard this. So you try to play it off like you think you can by saying that you’re full. And your friend says, mama, he’s just being polite. He ain’t finished Uhuh. That’s bull. And your friend says, man, there’s plenty of food. So you plow some more on your plate. And while that stinky food steaming and your mind starts streaming of the moment when it’s time to leave and you look on your plane and your chicken slowly rotting into something that looks like cheese also, this is the first time I heard what kep take was like, you know the medication? Yeah. Pep. And I literally Googled it and I’m like, what is this? Wait, what does he rhyme KA pate with? So you bust on the, this is me wrapping. And so you bust on the doorbell, it’s still closed, still stick from the food you ate, and then you run to the store for a quick relief from a bottle of Kao pate. Sit. Wait, sick from the food you, food you ate. Food you ate. Rhyming with kaopectate. Kaopectate. Listen, that’s quality. I mean, but something about this, like the chicken tastes like wood. Like I think we’ve all had this experience of going to our friend’s house. Yeah. Where the mom just doesn’t know how to throw down in the kitchen, but you try to be polite and you still eat the food and something about it just. Every time this plays in my head, I just start laughing and smiling because it’s so specific. And we’ve all had that experience growing up where someone’s mom just doesn’t know what she’s doing, but you try to be polite and try to be kind and eat the meal and then you feel sick afterwards. And I just love that that the first ever like hip hop rap song to ever come out has that in there. You know what I mean? It’s just so silly to me. And just so silly. 1979. That’s right. The Sugar Hill gang. So that’s one of my favorites of all time. I love listening to like early hip hop because they just, when it was just a couple dudes doing it, there wasn’t, it was so revolutionary at the time. Yeah. But there wasn’t that bar of like, you know, everything has to actually be good and make sense. It just has to exist. It just has to exist. Uh, which is incredible. And this, you see this in any art form in any sport. You watch basketball videos from the 1950s and like they’re just running around. They’re just, but. We were talking about, there’s a line, it’s not a food line, but, uh, that we’ve heard in multiple old school songs. Huh? I think I heard BeReal from Cypress Hill say it the first time, but it’s just a tsit, a casket. You know, I had to blast the blast and I’m like. What do you mean? ATTs? Get a tast. You know, I had to blast you. None of that, even rhymes. And Cypress Hill is probably my, my favorite, uh, you know, rap like rap group in history. Yeah. Uh, love them. Shadow. They made a lot of their music in Burbank as well. But I was listening to it and I was like, man, you just couldn’t get away with those lyrics today. You couldn’t get away with talking about how the chicken tastes like wood. I know. It’s just so funny. And just so it’s like funny and it’s campy. But during that time, like true, like storytelling was. Was so funny and easy and light and it’s just so enjoyable. Yeah. It’s just an enjoyable and the, and the beat is so like, fun and jumpy, you know? Yeah, yeah. It’s just fun. It’s just, it’s just a good time for me. I have Nicole. I know you think I’m like a one genre pony. No, I never said that, but I, I just said your music is hard to listen to. I listen, I listened to some hip hop. You do as well. I know. I sure do. Um, no, one of my favorite food lyrics in any song, and actually, uh, it taught me a recipe. Which is what I love. Uh, shut up. Do you know what I’m about to talk about? David? Are you looking at the screen? No. Screen. No. I’m trying to sneak, but I can’t see. Do you know what? Okay, so it’s, it’s a rapper. Okay. And if I said he is from Kansas City. Would you know who that is? Gimme more context. A little bit of a horror core wrapper. Oh my gosh. Tech Nine. He’s Tim Tech Nine baby. Are you gonna talk about Caribou Lu? Caribou Lou, this is, man, this is so funny. This is the best podcast we’ve ever had taught me how to make a delicious cocktail. This is hilarious. Uh, that would be filled with 1 51 rum, pineapple juice, and Malibu caribou. Get them all numb. Make Baby Girl come out of her shell and raise hell. Don’t. Stop till the cops come. But then, uh, so, so that’s the chorus, right? And then he comes in with the first verse and he just is like, I did not specify any actual quantities. So now iTech nine will give you that. Well, he says half a bottle of 1 51 off in a jug, one cup of Malibu rum. So half a bottle of 1 51 1. That’s gonna be highly. Gonna be a very high A, BD BA for cocktail. Bacard. Yeah. Uh, Bacardi 1 51. They have, I believe, stopped making that, or maybe they just made it illegal in California. Let’s write, let’s change.org. A half a bottle. It’s, it’s gonna be about a, a three to two ratio of 1 51 RUM with Malibu. And so Malibu gonna give you some of the coconut aromatics, some sweetness going in there. So funny. Uh, and then you just fill the rest of the jug with pineapple juice and it’s cracking. Uh, was this a song that the kids would sing out? What is this a kid song that like kids would sing at parties? Yeah, no. So this was, there was another song, Colt 45. I been two zigzags baby. That’s all we need. We go to the park after dark smoke, smoke that tumbleweed when the marijuana burns, we can take our turns singing them dirty rap songs. Just stop and hit the bong and Chong selling tapes from here to Hong Kong. Um, it is similar type nine. No, that was Afroman. I always was afroman out of Palmdale. Um, Josh loves Afroman. Yeah, there’s, yeah. We won’t get into the demographic politics of it all, but tell you what, a lot of white people love Afroman. Can I tell you something? In Tech nine, I don’t know how it happened, but I was at a party singing 1 51 Run. I, you know, I never, people love this song too. They would sing this at parties too, like from the top of the audience. I’m just like, he, he ha ha like, I have no idea what’s going on. I went to a Tech nine concert one time. Yeah. And I had to leave early. That’s all I’m gonna say. I had to leave early. Uh, get the party jumping, keep the hotties humping. I like ’em thick and juicy. So don’t Pilates. Nothing. I love that body. F they were talking about Pilates. How long ago was this? Uh, might be karate puncher at the back of the club, attending the naughty luncheon. When did the song come out? They were talking about Pilates bodies. When? 1995. I can’t believe it. Oh my God. He was anti Pilates princess in 1995. That’s so funny. That’s hilarious. Um, yeah, I love this. Filled the rest of the jug with pineapple juice and its crack and the only defect is waking up. Like what happened? And I, if you are drinking caribou, Lou, I was once at a like craft cocktail bar in New Orleans. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And I was talking, uh, with a dude who had a drink that had like an over proof rum. A coconut shrub and like a pineapple tincture or something. Yeah. And I was like, is this an artisanal play on Caribou Lou? And he just went, I can’t believe you called that out right now. Yes, it is. Oh my gosh. Was he obsessed with you? Nice. Yeah. Yeah. Um, and so yeah, caribou is a fun handshake to people who know. Yeah. That’s awesome. Yeah. Yeah. That’s cool. Look at me not only listening, I’m not genre phobic. No, you’re not genre phobic. I never would ever consider you genre phobic. Okay, so another one of my favorites again, I’m sorry. I’m a little bit of a one trick pony right now, but that’s fine. I don’t care. There’s this one song called Hammond Eggs by a Tribe called Quest. I don’t know you, you, that song. Okay, so am I allowed to sing it? I’m gonna sing it. We’re allowed to sing. It goes, I don’t need no ham and eggs because they’re high in cholesterol. Hey five. Do you eat ’em? Nuh. Do you eat ’em Uhuh? Not at all. Again, it’s this, it’s this sing-songy silly storytelling. Mm-hmm. That just something about it just makes my brain go into like ultimate like joy mode and I’m convinced. The reason why they say, I don’t think it’s because they’re high cholesterol. I think the reason why they don’t eat it is because two out of the four to five members of a tribe called Quest are devout Muslims. Oh, really? Q-Tip raised Muslim, Ali Shi, Mohammed, Muslim. One of those names Sounds, and there Q’s no right way to sound Muslim. Right. But one of those, if you were to guess which one out of Q-Tip And they’re both Muslim. Yeah. Yeah. That’s great. Or if I were to guess. Yeah, probably Ali. Yeah. The one that ends in Mohammad typically. So they were raised Muslim in New York and they’re not the only people that have talked about not eating any pork. Nicki Minaj also says a Maum no pork. For me, I Ice Cube has it in his song too, where he said, mama cooked the breakfast with no hawg, no hog, and do you know that one Also, he was raised Muslim as well, Uhhuh, which I just think it’s great how they’re just like. I’m gonna say it’s because of cholesterol, but I don’t think that’s the only reason why. But also it’s like, that’s awesome storytelling. Yeah. I know. There’s also something about like specifically in uh, in, what was it? Song just called Good Day by Cube. You’re gonna have a good day. What? No. Gotta say it was a good day. Oh, today was a good day. Today was a good day. Okay. No, no. Good day. I know what you’re talking about. It’s a good day. Anyways, in that one, somebody actually was able to triangulate what exact day he was talking about. No way. Because there’s the line where he talks about the Lakers beat the Supersonics. Oh. Which is one which actually happened. Well, yeah, I mean, like the Lakers, who are the Supersonics Oh, I was about to say there’s a great podcast about the Seattle Supersonics. They were Seattle NBA team. Okay. Kevin Durant was actually drafted to the Seattle Supersonics. I know exactly who that is. Right. But then this is, God, I couldn’t remember what year, 2006 or whatever, uh, maybe slightly later, they moved to Oklahoma City and became the Oklahoma City Thunder. Mm. And now Seattle has not had an NBA team since it’s kind of a bummer. Sean Kent, Seattle Seahawks, an NBA team. What, what sport do you think the Seattle Seahawks play? This is, this is a judgment free zone. I just want you to answer. I think they play football. They do play football. Okay. And I was talking about basketball and because I said the Lakers beat the Supersonics and the Lakers play basketball. Basketball there. It’s LeBron James. She knows the Seattle Seahawks. I, you know what we need to start doing? I think we need to just like have like conglomerates. Like the LA, like Screw the Clippers. Screw the Rams. Yeah. It should just be the LA Lakers basketball to [bleep]. Or. Do you think they should merge both the LA Clippers and the LA Lakers? The one team? The LA Basketball Club? Yeah. Like West LA Lakers. East LA Clippers, or the other way around. Okay. And then also the football team should also be called the Lakers. Oh, kind. I mean, that’s kind of what they do in, in Europe. Okay. Well, yeah, like there’ll be like a real Madrid basketball team and a real Madrid football team. So you mean to tell me I’m a trendsetter? Uh, well, no, you’re just, you’re copying what Europe has been doing for like, probably hundreds of years. I can imagine. Okay. Some people call it appropriation. I just call it trend setting. So, yeah, that’s another one. Hammond Eggs by Tribe Called Quest. Fantastic song. Also another one of those storytelling songs where they talk about fricking, they talk about roti, they talk about soursop, they talk about asparagus, they talk about steak, and I just love that song so much. Yeah, yeah, man. I need to listen to More Tribe. They, I, this is a great intro song to them if you, if that’s like one of my favorites. Um, okay, so this. I think they’re very easy to listen to. I think they’re a fantastic band. I’ve seen them. I’ve seen them live and they’re incredible. I don’t know how much I’ve played for you in the kitchen, um, but this is the band, bloody wood. Out of India and they just, oh, the Indian hardcore music. You love the Indian metal band. They’re like a new metal band from India. I love bloody wood so much. You’ve seen me wear the t-shirt before. Uh, but they just came out with an album called New Deli and there’s a single on it called, called dca. Oh, sick. Tell the people what DCA is. So what? DCA is an Indian cooking technique where you are effectively like. You’re blooming the spices in hot oil. Mm-hmm. Or, or ghee. Mm-hmm. But you basically like heat up oil or ghee super hot and then you add whatever, like curry leaves, uh, coriander seed, JIRA, which is cumin, black mustard, whatever. And some chili pods probably. And then you will kind of like scorch ’em and you put that like on the food and it’s just this incredible. Flavor bloom. Right? It’s like a beautiful world cooking technique. But they came out with a song called Kaka that like uses a bunch of food metaphors. That’s right. We write it, Dawn, the blades are drawn, the battle is on, the stove is lit. We chop the bits, you know, it’s only second nature. We’re making the flavor hit. Uh, and then Oh, that’s cool. It is great. Uh, and then, um. What is it? Uh, ’cause the guests of the house get the best that we got all of a said, if you wanna make it big, you better be fully fed. So I did. Then I went and got bigger thanks to the cooking of a mother. And a mother figure got me thinking about all the people that be pulling the trigger. ’cause they don’t even know if they’d be eating for dinner. And I’m like, yeah. It’s like I got to care and the food’s so good, man. I got to share. Hey. So it’s, it’s actually like a really beautiful song. Yeah. And there, you know, a lot of heavy music is super political and you know. They’re talking about, you know, people who are out there pulling the trigger, it’s because they don’t know if they’re gonna eat dinner that night. And you know, this idea of, of sharing food and taking care of people’s needs and Sure. The love of a mother coming through. The first time I recognized what love in cooking meant was my best friend, deeps mom’s cooking, right? Like straight out of, uh, Gura India. That’s beautiful. Literally the amount of labor that goes into making something like aca, right? Mm-hmm. That goes into making so many like Indian sweets. It was that. Like real feeling of caring about someone. And then they just got sick guitar breakdowns and rapping, and they’re just a rad band. Dude that shout, shout out to all the guys from bloody wood. That’s, that’s a fantastic, that’s a fantastic visual story. Yeah. Yeah, right. That instantly takes you where the, where the artist is. They did a bunch of promo shoots wearing like chef gear too, but also, oh, that’s so nerdy. That’s so nerdy. Oh, metal is also the nerdiest thing. Nerdiest thing, yeah. Like, I don’t know. I feel like watching movies growing up mm-hmm. You see the Metalheads and they’re the ones that are like the burnouts. Yeah. But, but they’re also kinda like, kinda like tough and dangerous. And scary and scary. Right. I don’t know that I’ve ever felt that way at like a metal show at a Yeah. It’s always like, oh, that person’s running a d and d campaign. Yeah. 100%. Yeah. I believe that, you know, music bring, brings people together just like food does. Yeah. Who’s, um, uh, cannibal corpse’s, uh, lead singer? I think his name is just George Corpse. Grinder. Um. But just the sweetest man in the world and he is just a huge nerd. Plays. Plays DD Big and Wow. Is co a corpse grinder of his father’s last name or was that a personal, just an Ellis Island name that like, my name’s Schwartzstein and they’re just like, sorry, you’re co corpse. Grinder. Grinder. Do you wanna talk about what you think Biggie Smalls was eating? His real name’s Fisher, by the way. Oh, okay. Great. Great. Do you wanna talk about what Biggie Smalls was really eating in Big Papa’s? I would love to because there has been many a debate about, well the meal is a T-bone. Let me, let me go ahead and say the full lyric, pull up the truck front and roll up the next blunt so we can steam on the way to the telly to go fill my belly a T-bone steak. Cheese, eggs and Welch’s grape. Now, there has been many a debate about what the Welch’s grape is. There are three schools of thought. We got juice. We got jelly, we got soda. Mm-hmm. Some people like to call this quote unquote grape gate. Grape gate. Yeah. It was one of those things that was like on like message boards, like, yeah, like, like last FM and Pitchfork and stuff like that. People were like, he was definitely talking about the jelly. His friend said that he always had like a little side of jelly every single time. Jelly would make the most sense. If you’re getting like steak and eggs right, then you will probably have a side of toast. Right. And even if it, if it were, doesn’t mention a di, but you know, the problem is. He doesn’t mention toast in his, is the toast implied? Maybe he was. Maybe he was cutting carbs that day. You think notorious BIGI don’t know what notorious is. BIGI know he was a large man cutting carbs. He might have cut carbs. You don’t know. I’m sorry. No. Talk about how much toast you that, you know. Biggie small eating and breakfast. Nicole. Wait, wait, so my dog, the fry or sourdough? No, no. Wait a second. Wait a second. I, but see, the thing is, I think he was cooking this up at home. I don’t think, oh. Oh, so he says, so we can steam on the way. Smoke smu. Oh, that’s what that meant. Okay. Um, to the tele go fill my belly. So I think what he’s doing is mm-hmm. His lovely lady is probably cooking him up this meal, so That’s wonderful. So you can eat it in front of his television. That’s very sweet. Yeah. But do you think, you said you think it’s jelly. I think it’s juice. No, no. I, I don’t think it’s jelly. I think, I think it’s juice. You think it’s juice? I do think it’s juice, yeah. Okay. Why? He just seems like a guy who likes to drink a big glass of grape juice. It feels kind of luxurious in a way, but not soda. Not soda. ’cause I think, okay. Tell me juice pairs better with breakfast suits. When I first heard this and I heard Welch’s grape, I probably first heard this song when I was a child. Right. Me too. I envisioned soda because I didn’t grow up drinking juice. Is there Welch’s grape soda? Yes. Okay. Yeah, absolutely. Okay. I thought it was just pretty quality stuff, so I thought it was just. Drink? No, no, no, no. They got a nice canned grape set I didn’t know about, but, but now I believe it’s juice and I haven’t read a lot of evidence. So they’re compelling cases to indicate theres juice. There’s a few. Okay, so Ryka says she, I’m sorry. Writer Isha Mka says they shared a meal with the late rapper only few days before his untimely passing, and he had grape juice along with his eggs. And a business vet named Larry Hawk Burns said he would call in room service and order juice all of the time. And Questlove, you know, the Roots Band leader, of course, he also strongly states that he was a juice man. But for me, is it juice? It is juice because, let me tell you, because he wouldn’t be smoking up blunt perp the color of the juice as well. Yes. Yes, I’m familiar with the perp. I don’t think he would be rolling up a bl. Yeah, at 10:00 AM Okay. Why not? I think, I think because he was pulling up the truck, he was driving. Sure. I think. I don’t think he was the kind of guy that woke up at 6:00 AM to go chase the day, do a little morning routine, stick his face a nice laughter. You making a lot of assumptions about small morning routine here. I don’t think Biggie Smalls was up around 7:00 AM You don’t think he was journaling? I don’t think he was a big journaler. Well, he was a writer. It was, yeah, that’s what I’m, but I don’t think, I think he was eating this around like 1145. A little brunch situation if you’ll, after he did some of his very important work he had to do in the morning. Yes, he came home hungry in front of the tv, filled up on steak, eggs, and I think juice is the right answer. Juice it feels nourishing and nutritive also due to cold —- glass of concord grape juice. Uhhuh is such a treat, man. Uhhuh, there’s big grape juice guy over here. Big grape flavor. Look. Grape soda is maybe my favorite soda. Hard. Someone needs to make a zero calorie grape. So out there it makes that my favorite. My favorite soda is, um, cactus cooler, but I’m not rapping about cactus. It’s, oh, I haven’t had one of those in years. Also, someone that says, jelly says the unsaid jelly rhymes with tele in belly. Whoa. Yeah. Wait, say it again so we can steam. On the way to the tele go fill my belly a T-bone steak, egg cheese on Welch’s grape jelly. Maybe it’s, oh my God. Yeah. That’s gonna be it though, right? No, it’s, but no, but it’s steak. I know the rhyme comes from steak, cheese’s, eggs, and wels. Grape. Yeah. But like he, I mean, he was known for a lot of like, uh, like crazy rhyme cadences. And you know what I think. I think he had Welch’s grape apostrophe as well as jelly. Damn. Okay. The fact though, that this, this lyric has been argued about for so long. Yeah, yeah. This is unequivocally the greatest like rap leader regarding food all time. Maybe one of the best rap lyrics of all time. I will say Little Wayne real G’s move in silence like lasagna. The G is not silent in lasagna. That’s my only issue with this. You say lasagna? No I don’t, but But take out the G and just say L-A-S-A-N-A. What does that say? Lasagna. No, it’s not Lana. Lana. The G’S not silent. It’s a modifying letter. Okay. It sounds silent. It’s uh, it’s an Italian letter, so, but that said, it is, listen, listen, I. Love Wayne. It’s a great line. Um, a thing we haven’t talked about is what, uh, MF Doom’s whole album. Oh, well, yeah. Mm. Food. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, that’s true. And all of his, he had like one mixed tape. Actually, I was listening to it today, um, about like all the different roots and stuff. He has like a song called like ginseng and like peach and stuff like that. Yeah. Is that the same one? MF Doom Man. RIP is a polymath, uh, beef Wrap Ho Cakes. Deep fried friends, right. P putt platter, Philo rapper. It’s got a song called Gumbo. Yeah. Um, I have, I have one more honor roll mention, and this is, go ahead. The toughest song. To listen to. Um, this is Pizza by Atilla. You already had a pizza one. You’re gonna do another pizza One cop out. I know, but this is, uh, it’s um, you know what? You are a pizza poser. F you. I’ve never seen you eat a slice to you. It’s just a trend Pizza. Is my life. Thin crust, deep dish, double pepperoni, ilio, stuffed crust. No anchovies. Mm. Pizza rolls, bagel bites, cheesy crust is what I like. But then, then where it, oh, I got drunk with Papa John. He snorted something with his apron on. We’re gonna get so flies. Oh, he got too effed up for delivery. It was over 30 minutes, so my pizza was free. Um, but then there’s a great breakdown, um, where, uh, they say, uh, dude, are you effing kidding me? Pineapple on the whole effing pizza. Um, and then he says, effing pineapple. And then just goes into this hardcore growl breakdown where they talk about how pineapple doesn’t belong in pizza. So for those reasons, I think Pizza by Atilla also needs to be, we can play the song on full blast. Okay. After this. I, this isn’t my favorite, but these are my honorable mentions. I love when rappers talk about their cars and how they are like food, like, um, go on, like whatever, whatever that one guy, two shade says. In Mercy. Sorry. I’m gonna talk about Kanye West song, where he talks about coop, the color of mayonnaise. Oh, I’ve never heard that though. Drunken high at the same time. Drinking champagne on an airplane. You dunno what I’m talking about? Oh my gosh, no. How about whatever. Um. Are you gonna bring up ice cream paint job? I was, I was gonna bring up ice cream paint job. And then also there’s this, that’s not a food lyric. Ice cream paint job. The paint job is like ice cream. That is a food, yeah, it was a food metaphor. Yeah. And then also like Biggie small was eating that. You know? Know what I mean? My favorite of all time. Do you know the song Doughboy Fresh Dough? Boy, there’s this one. I don’t know who says it, but he says, peanut butter inside, outside jelly. And to this day. The visual imagery of a car that the interior is this really cool peanut butter color. The outside is like this bright shiny jelly to this day. I can literally see that car in my head. That’s what he was talking about. Yeah. What did you say? I was talking about a damn sandwich. You didn’t, I just never thought about it. Sorry. I’m the, I’m the lightest man on the planet. Long story short. We just really wanted to talk about the songs we like on this podcast because here’s the thing is I like fish and grits and all that pimp. SHI double hockey sticks. So if you like fish and grits and all that, everybody let me hear you say, oh, yay. Yay. So the final, no, we, we need to leave ’em on the final line of the song Pizza by At Till is, I hate that song. No, we’ll hear me out. No. I’m gonna peel your eyes out of your effing skull. I’ll extract your blood and use it as pizza sauce. Gross. Gross. Well that’s ’cause they say, dude, chill. You can peel off the pineapple. So he threatens to peel his. Anyways, I had a blast. Can we do this again? I’m in Spring always gets me in the mood for fresh Starts cleaning out closets, planting something new. And this year I’m diving into a new language with Rosetta Stone. Uh, re you know what that was Nicole, that was you speaking. Excellent Spanish. That was me trying my best. But I think there’s something really exciting about the idea of traveling somewhere and actually speaking the language, ordering food, chatting with locals. 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Um, there’s this song called Persian Rugs that is from by I believe, party Next Door. Okay. Per, let me just, let me just make sure. Persian rugs, yes. By party next door and party Next door is a common collaborator with Drake. So Interesting. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. You are not wrong, but you’re not right either. Yeah. It now Drake, has he been sort of adopted as an honorary Persian? He’s got a gr, a great lineup on the beard, you know. I can either confirm nor deny. Okay. But I do love Kendrick Lamar as well as Drake. I like both of them. They’re both very talented musicians and I’m very honored to live in a timeline where both of them can thrive and exist within the plane of hip hop and rap music. How lucky are we? No, I’ll say I vastly prefer the musical stylings of Kendrick Lamar. I. Okay. Yes. I like both. They’re D different. I like both. They’re different. Yes. They’re very different artists. Very. They not like us. Crank that first opinion up. Crank that soldier boy opinion. I will never get used to that message, nor I Why? Why? With less of an opinion. More of looking for a recommendation. Happy to give it. Uh, my name’s Rob from Michigan. I. Uh, have to eat a low sodium diet due to genetic blood pressure issues. Oh, tell me about it. Stud. I’m wonder what kind of seasoning you guys would recommend beyond salt. I got you even in mind. I’ve tried the Tony Sash. Oh, sodium, my option. I like all the brown sugar in it. Thanks. You ever heard of Mrs. Dash? Is that actually good though? You ever heard of Mrs. We grew, we all grew up with Mrs. Dash Low. Sodium does it actually tastes good. It does the job well. We, the problem is, Josh, we don’t have high, the highest of sodiums. Do you have high sodium? Uh, well, I don’t know. I eat a lot of sodium. I’ll tell you what, when’s the last time you got a comprehensive blood panel? I, every, uh, about a year ago. I’m due for it. I’m getting again. Okay, let’s get another one. Julia. Julia made me do it. Let’s get another one. Yeah. When me and Julia moved in together, Uhhuh, she treated it like whenever, uh, an NFL team trades for like a 34-year-old player. I love her. They’re like, well, let’s, let’s wait for when the MRIs come back. You know? ’cause we need to know what we’re really getting into in this contract. I supported. Did you also do a genetic test? Uh, no, no, no. Not yet, but I think, I think has happened when the Lakers tried to play, tried, tried to trade for, was it Derek Williams, I think, and he just like failed the physical and then the trade didn’t go through. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then the Lakers had to bring on Dalton Connect the guy that they were gonna trade for him. Yeah. Yeah. And so this guy didn’t even know he was gonna get traded. And then I’m telling you, I respect her decision. Yeah. Um, try Mrs. Dash bestie. It’s good. What do you mean? Of course, it’s good. It’s fine. I think what I think what you need to do is your health is more important than your taste. Bud saying, yay, I’m so happy. You’re gonna have to weigh the pros and cons here and not have the most delicious food of all time. And that’s okay. You know? Yeah. For me, for me, whenever you get like health scares like that. Something needs to trigger in your brain to tell you like, okay, I need to put my pleasures aside a little bit and concentrate on my health. Sure. The tough, and that’s just me. The tough thing is straight up from a culinary perspective, is there’s no substitute for salt. Right? Like you can, um, there isn’t, if somebody goes like, I’m on a low carb diet, low fat diet. I, I have these allergies. I can’t eat this stuff. I, it’d be easy to find a substitute. Sodium is salt. It is, yeah. Like sodium. It’s, it’s, uh, it’s, it’s uh, what is it? Knackle, sodium chloride is table salt, right? I think so. The point is, it’s like a very isolated mineral. So like, I don’t know, uh, if you add more acid to your food, it’ll probably, you know, make it taste more palatable. But that’s not like a long term solution. I think you just gotta. You gotta rough it. MSG has uh, lower sodium content than, than your standard table salt. You know? So maybe that could help. Maybe that should, but I don’t know. And it makes sense that Consult your doctor Tony SAT’s, low sodium would’ve brown sugar. ’cause it’s like, well you gotta substitute one good taste for another. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That, that is a really tough pickle. And I’m wondering if anybody else has any advice. ’cause I ru the day that I would’ve to do that. Hey, hey guys. You’re on speaker and my fiance has never heard your, uh, your message before and she’s looking at me. Someone’s getting lucky tonight. Hey, alright. You don’t have to play this one of the podcasts. You can make it like a short or something. But, uh, we’re watching, um, giving us a, what’s it called? Wild Card Kitchen and Damaris, um, overturned her ice cream like two times in a row. What’s it called? And I’m wondering, can you take overturned ice cream and put it in the microwave until it’s just barely melted and then run that same mixture again? Like, would that work? I don’t know. Let me know. Thanks. Interesting. What is the show that this person says? Wild Card Kitchen, hosted by Eric Jeong. Eric Jeong, uh, he was on Top Chef oh. Early seven, eight years ago. But yeah, Eric Ong is lovely in um, Damari Phillips. I believe one, well, one of the earlier seasons of Next Food Network Star, she is just a bright light. Love it, love damara so much. I think she’s from Louisville, Kentucky. Um, overturned ice cream. I’ve, I don’t know if I’ve ever had that problem. I’ve never had that problem. But obviously any overturned dairy, like if you over whip whipped cream, you’re sort of just getting in butter. Butter, yeah. And so I imagine ice cream would do the same thing, which means that. You cannot simply melt it because it’s fundamentally changed the protein structure. Right? ’cause you’re doing kind of like a, a, the, the butter solids in the whe right? Yeah. So almost like cheese making. So I, in my, my initial thing was, oh yeah, if you just strain it, because if it, the thing is, does the overturned liquid. Is that still considered ice cream because of the fat content? Or does that turn into Because, because what I’m thinking is overturned ice cream is like ice cream with just some grit. Mm-hmm. Because of the butter solids and like maybe the milk solids just acting weird. So what I would do is I would melt it down, strain it. Then do it again. But if you use a creme on glaze base, I wouldn’t, I would just start, no, you know, I’d just start over from scratch. Well, is is overturned ice cream, does that actually refer to ice cream that has been churned like butter? ’cause I don’t know if that would, I don’t know. I don’t happen. Especially if you’re using other. Because you typically don’t just, uh, ice cream isn’t just like heavy cream and sugar. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You might use a custard base. You could also just thin it out with other milk. I think Jenny’s uses like corn starch and cream cheese as a binder in some of their bases. Oh, really? Yeah. To be honest, I don’t make enough ice cream to judge this properly. So if your ice cream’s just like overturned in the machine and it’s sort of like stopped moving and it’s clumping up a little bit mm-hmm. Which means that large ice crystals have formed. Mm-hmm. That could be a thing. And I, I’ve, I’ve done that before. Then in that case, you, yeah, you could just melt it down and re-spin it and stop it earlier. But make sure to strain it. Make sure to strain it. You could what Honestly, what I would do, I, I think a lot of people, I don’t know if they overuse strainers, uh, dude, vitamixes, they solve a lot of problems. You could take that ice cream. Sure. What I would do with overturned ice cream, especially in a cooking composition format, is I would chuck it into a Vitamix. Mm-hmm. And like not a food processor. ’cause a food processor takes too much time, it’s gonna heat it up too much. Put it into a Vitamix, blitz it Vitamix heats it up. So what do you mean Vitamix is used to make soup? Whatcha talking about? No, no. I agree with that, but I’m saying it works quick and violent. So like a Vitamix, you could just take, take the tamper and just mash it down, crank it on high for 10 seconds, I think. I think you pop it in a blast. Chiller. I think you’re wrong because the speed of the Vitamix is so fast, it would overheat it. I would actually completely disagree with what you said, and I would put it in a food processor and pulse it. Oh, but I feel like then you’re not gonna get it smooth. You’re gonna kind of, well, then I would strain it, but see, I’m team strain. But you’re, yeah, but then you’re training it. You’re still just adding more agitation. It’s open in the air. I think I can put that in a Vitamix for 10 seconds. We should test it, you know, and then pop that in a blast chiller. Okay. Or check this out. What you do is you melt it down, you take out the anti griddle. You put it on the anti griddle. Anti griddles. That is such a food comp. Can we buy an anti griddle? Anti griddle? For anybody that doesn’t know how much is an anti griddle, it’s imagine, you know, a griddle is hot. Make pancakes on it. $1,400 can buy anti griddle. It’s cold. It’s a griddle. That’s cold. It’s what? Cold stone creamer eat. I want it. I want it. I want it. Can you buy, so you take the ice cream base. Spread it thin on an anti griddle, and then you do the Thai rolled ice cream technique. I want one where you chip it up using like a paint chipper. My birthday’s coming up. Make, yeah, I’ll get you an anti griddle. Okay. Will you, I love that it sparks such a lively debate. We’re gonna go old school. We’re searching the hashtag opinion casserole over here, and I found one that I like. Okay, say it. This is from at Ariel Vale as an omnivore, I’ve had better vegan chili than meat filled chili. Oh yeah. I think that’s fake. Have you, I sent you the Instagram that you never responded to. That’s not like me, about the person I know that’s Josh, that’s not likely. But then I confronted you about it. I’m, I’m not like that. It’s not like, that’s okay. We’ll make mistakes. But it was about the, the man, I believe it was a, a Bar stool podcast that was reading the story or had a caller about a man who convinced his cousin, who was weirdly obsessed with things being woke or not. Mm-hmm. That adding beans to chili was woke and then got him to remove beans from his chili and then told him that, Hey, I was just messing around. Mm-hmm. But that went into the kind of history of vegetarian chilies being a huge option. And when you’re vegetarian, you’re woke. And when you’re vegetarian woke, that was the joke that he was making on his cousin. Right, right, right. Um, but that said, I’ve also had a lot of great vegan chilies because I’ve had some good ones. Vegans have had a lot of chance to cook chili because it’s such a great way to get a lot of beans in your diet. But now with the meat substitutes mm-hmm. Putting some impossible meat into a chili. Just soy. That’s great, man. Just soy and ke and I’m a soy boy. Just soy and yeast extras and soy is actually really healthy for you. I love soy. I eat a lot. Eat a bunch of ome. That’s a great time. I lovey soy and all of its, you knows, I eat a lot love of chop food. Uh, I think we’ve destroyed cows and entire genetic makeup by four. Feeding and chickens. Soy and chickens. Yeah. Not meant to be eaten all that, but we did it. Uh, we forsaked our God. But yeah, I think vegan chili. It can be really good just because. So chili, I don’t like vegan chili depend, depends what kind of chili I like. Uh, you know what, you know what I think somebody needs to do a vegetarian and chili cookoff and an only one. And maybe that way I can like it more and I could eat ’em more. I’m throwing my hat in the ring. Okay. I once did on my blog culinary brodown.com back in the day. Your nose is really red today. Thank you. Are you okay? I got a lot of sun yesterday. Uh, on culinary brodown.com I did a whole vegan month. You did? Yeah. And I made a, like, Beyond Meat Impossible. I think it was even before Beyond came out. It was like I ground up a bunch of Morningstar burgers and I made a hotdog slop chili, and I, I wanted to prove that you can make vegan food unhealthy. And so I made like a vegan bacon wrapped vegan hotdog with hotdog slop chili, and it was so good. Mm. Yeah. Was there any vegan cheese on there? No. Oh. Why? Vegan cheese tastes bad. Oh. Yeah. Hot take. Well, that’s my take anyways. On that note, thank you so much for stoppin by…. What is our podcast called? A Hot Dog is a Sandwich. It indeed is. We got new episodes coming out every Wednesday. New videos out on Sunday. If you want to be featured on Opinions or like casserole, hit us up at 8 3 3 Dog Pod one. Leave us a steamy message. And yeah, make us, if you like our faces, check out our other videos over at Mythical Kitchen YouTube channel. You know where to find us. See you next time. Another lyric. Call me so I can make it juicy for ya, call me. It’s not about food, that’s about —. What do you mean? Juicy? Juicy —? Juicy food.