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host josh air and i’m your host nicole handy zada nicole today we we talked about is in and out overrated we did right and in and out is something that has a huge huge massive cult following and i think the closest thing to in-n-out’s cult following might be chipotle okay and so uh we got a lot of comments from people saying like you know chipotle is overrated and so i figured we we should tackle this one yeah but i mean we’ve eaten a lot of chipotle together i love chipotle i also love chipotle do you think that the hype outweighs how good chipotle is you know i’m gonna you know uh i like to talk about the topics at hand uh with my fiance before i come talk to you because i like i like to ask other people’s opinions before i form my own because i think it’s important to have other viewpoints and he said something very interesting he said chipotle isn’t overrated chipotle isn’t underrated chipotle is perfectly rated and that like really set into motion like you know what you’re right i do think it’s perfectly rated i think the people that love chipotle love it for what it is and people that hate chipotle hate it for what it is it’s good it’s not the best i’ll still eat it it’s not like a life-changing experience but i do love it a lot so i think it’s right in the middle i think it is well rated does that work does that work that’s such a middle-ground answer well yeah no i don’t think you’re wrong but i i am almost inclined to believe that and and i totally would if not for the fact that chipotle has taken on this like larger cultural meaning right like yeah david dobrik doesn’t have his own el pollo loco bowl or what he was the one that had his own chipotle burrito you can go there and get the david dobrik burrito is that true yeah right consider i will fact check it later on fact check crap on this podcast no no no no need to but no that’s the thing like um chipotle was you know in this i suppose is not necessarily indicative of how people respond to tripoli or how they feel about chipotle so much as chipotle’s you know marketing director doing a very fantastic job but you know they were giving all these like very young youtube creators like these chipotle platinum cards it gives them free burritos for life and stuff like that and so chipotle you know now has this huge following among young people it’s like um the charlie demilio duncan coffee yeah yeah i understand that yeah yeah yeah so chipotle you know has that but i mean long before all this chipotle was i mean the fastest growing fast food franchise in the history of america actually blaze pizza came and superseded the numbers that chipotle was doing in the early days which i think is very cool because blaze pizza is started by the wetzel family of wetzel’s pretzels fame i thought arnold schwarzenegger’s son is as incorporated and he might be involved i mean lebron james is very heavily involved in blaze lebron james uh this is one of the smartest business decisions for for any athlete he dropped his mcdonald’s sponsorship so he could invest in blaze wow and then participate in marketing for it and then he’s already i mean god i think increased that investment like tenfold wow um and i think blake’s pizza is fantastic but anyways chipotle uh i think blaze wouldn’t exist without chipotle because i think they used the chipotle model yeah so i think chipotle was very very very game-changing uh when it started i mean i remember having it for the first time in probably 2004-2005 okay uh when they were little little baby baby chain that people didn’t really know about um and i think chipotle absolutely changed the game but i do think that now they are a little bit behind the times i think we’re seeing the cracks in the walls so i think at this point chipotle is overrated what is your ques what do you mean by behind the times it’s just food behind no the food is food is cyclical right mcdonald’s right now mcdonald’s is behind the times mcdonald’s they’ve gone through like four ceos in the past you know six years for various reasons their profits are falling i mean we tried their new chicken sandwich the other day it was abysmal right like they can’t really but and there are reasons that mcdonald’s can’t respond to the times right and that has to do with their business model so it’s the franchise model right which chipotle has never done chipotle is purely a corporate owned entity so owned by mcdonald’s no it’s not not anymore it was never so chipotle was never owned by mcdonald’s um but this is a great piece of lore in the chipotle history everything i know is a lie yeah but that was that was a weird kind of like slanderous i guess they invest okay here it says in 1998 mcdonald’s became an investor in chipotle over the course of about seven years mcdonald’s poured more than 360 million dollars into the company along chipotle to expand further yeah so at some point mcdonald’s was the majority shareholder shareholder okay correct so they’re a majority shareholder but that was before chipotle ever had a public ipo okay and then mcdonald’s divested so chipotle could get maximum value out of this ipa can you explain what ipo means jeez and rice aka me listening to you what i feel in intellectual property owner uh initial public offering well bomb was way off uh the only things about money that i know are from shark tank oh yeah yeah and so anytime soon go ahead no you do it sharks today i have an investment for 10 in my company is that good that’s pretty good i i love the the best products on shark tank i mean one there was one really sad one we may have talked about this in the past it was called slausa oh yeah oh yeah the girl is the girl was it a girl yeah it was the woman she was like i i took out a second mortgage on my house my i’ve poured my entire life savings and energy into a combination of coleslaw and salsa called slosa that is it’s supposed to be a hot dog topping and the worst part about that is i was like that’s a great idea for me and only me and no one else would want this but she was like begging mark cuban she was like mark cuban you can have this at all the food carts at the mavericks games and i was like oh honey no they all tasted they were like this is good but girl it’s slossa no we can’t sell this i love shark tank it’s like a it’s like a ritual like my family would get around the tv and watch it like during shabbat and you’re like that is not good investment mr wonderful you mentioned us for 33 it’s so funny is that like the only the only real uh corporate math i know is if someone’s like i’m offering in ten percent for a hundred thousand dollars i’m like that’s well i know it’s a million dollar evaluation yeah that’s the only math i can do my favorite the people who show up and they’re like uh i make chocolate-covered pretzels and they’re like what’s different about your chocolate covered pretzels and they’re like well they’re very good and i make them with my hands but now my hands are cramping and i need some help mr wonderful some of those companies have blown up though like mr wonderful made a ton of money off of the uh cupcake in a jar yeah and the bagel bombs and bagel bombs big bantam bikes yeah yeah huge huge um anyways what were we talking about oh ipo ipo ipo initial public offering basically when a company goes from private to public meaning that they open up uh shares for people to to buy like shake shack had a very famous and profitable ipo um that you know basically gives places the capital to expand like crazy so chipotle did that in like what 2006 2007 and then they started expanding really fast which to me is sort of where the problems started to happen because if you are doing the franchise model right you’re basically like letting people buy a mcdonald’s yeah you’re paying thousands of million dollars a year you sign a contract to abide by their corporate rules and so that means they have a new menu item that they want to plug you have to make that yeah certain things like that um that’s how it works but you’re essentially operating a small business and it makes companies expand very very fast like mcdonald’s that’s 35000 locations i want to do that one day i want to be a franchisee yeah what would you franchise uh uh probably my own concept that’s not a franchise let me tell you what happened i would come with the idea and then i would sell it to like i don’t know freaking not sell to mcdonald’s and then i would own like one of them while uh someone oversees the wrestling visa scams visa scams dude you should open it so there are have you ever heard of burgherim oh yeah oh my god can we say this i don’t know if i’m allowed to say this but it’s all it’s all been disclosed it’s it’s a visa scam it’s a visa scam right it’s a scam it was it was okay no burger has gotten sued like multiple times it’s an israeli slider concert oh my god it’s so funny and i would see there would be like 50 burger ream storefront signs all around la and none of them were open yeah it was so weird and i don’t i don’t know anyone that’s ever had burger ream i i get the instagram sponsored ads for him yeah and then yeah it turns out they they were really scamming people there there was another one that was an in-n-out knock-off called um god something like by the way burger no no no that’s i know god what are you i don’t know i’m sorry no no i know the one you’re talking about it’s uh like jake’s way back burger i don’t know i don’t know uh but no this is called a cali burger and it was a um they threatened to sue me because i wrote an article um called i called them an in-n-out knock-off oh i called them a chinese in-n-out knock-off because they were started in shanghai and they basically took the model of like well they don’t in and out it’s not going to expand internationally so we’re going to open up a fake in and out in uh and they even called their stuff animal style and they got sued by in and out because they have ips i would sue them too if i wasn’t of course that i mean they were really ripping off internet i would have called it monster style they ended up calling it like beast style yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah but i mean i tried them and they were just simply not good um but anyway so chipotle starts expanding very quickly and i remember the first time i went to chipotle i was like 13 years old in 2005 and i was i was blown away i was blown away with how good and fresh the food was yeah it opened up on beverly drive we would walk from from beverly high to beverly drive and we would uh have chipotle and it was so much fun because let me tell you a little hack you guys are ready for a little chipotle heck i’m gonna give you guys a little chipotle hack so you ask for a soft taco but you say can you put it in a burrito bowl for me and then you get one soft taco and then they just pile that stuff on like go for it wait what is this let me tell you let me tell you let me tell you let me tell you guys let me tell you because the syrup because you know if it’s just on like a little piece of paper and it’s going to make sense i swear it was just on a piece of paper they’re not as generous and they’re not as inclined to put more because it’s just like you know the little taco but whenever it’s in the burrito bowl they’ll be a little bit more generous and put a little more corn it’s okay if the corn falls off you know in the bowl doesn’t matter so basically you get it readable for two dollars and i used to do that when i was like 13 and then they caught on and then they would just look at us and like you can’t do that and we’re like okay no problem that was part of the magic of chipotle but i love chipotle it was so customizable right and it’s it’s the model subway exactly it’s the model that subway started that the whole you know um no have you always burger king yeah i was thinking the same thing yeah but uh it has that whole subway you know eat fresh build your own model build your own except again subway the times caught up with them and people don’t want you know meats that are microwaved out of a bag yeah no one wants to eat a sub sandwich anymore no subs aren’t sexy no it well i mean now but at least you have people doing him better now with jersey mike’s and other companies 100 and so this is chipotle is a natural evolution where it was like we want to see chicken being grilled fresh yeah and chopped up we want to see the guacamole being made in front of us we want to be able to customize our things and you know um have food that feels quote unquote healthy and wholesome and all this and it did but to me it also really delivered on flavor like the cilantro and lime and the rice and the rice is well salted the beans are well seasoned the chicken the marinade chipotle’s chicken is still very good yeah and when i make chicken at home for tacos and burritos like i’m seasoning it like chipotle you know and so they had a moment where they were absolutely fantastic but then like over time i just i got more undercooked rice i got raw chicken i’ve gotten raw chicken before the burrito rolling capabilities of chipotle employees god bless them they’re trying but they just roll them into little pregnant diaper squares yeah yeah yeah uh and all that comes from is you know expanding too fast not being able to train your employees and then they’ve had the typical corporate downfalls right of like ceo greed uh they had two ceos that were both making an absurd amount of money and eventually both stepped down there were wage theft violations oh wow there was the 2015 e coli outbreaks oh gosh the e coli the e coli breakout that was crazy that was absolutely great and they still the crazy thing is they don’t they were never able to trace it oh my gosh they don’t know what it came from which again if you’re a big corporation who doesn’t have the right things in place you can’t trace it so scary and so it was this thing where chipotle launched this new model where everything was very fresh but the reason fast food restaurants don’t make things fresh is because you can’t control it right yes you don’t have eyes on every single employee grilling every piece of steak washing their hands in between that and then tossing the lettuce so there’s a reason that mcdonald’s has everything pre-packaged subway is everything pre-packaged for chipotle to get as big as it did they basically needed to turn into a traditional fast food restaurant which is what they swore to never do yeah but they have but you know you have to compromise in order to succeed sometimes that’s how it goes it’s true yeah yeah they had to kind of you know change their model a little bit so they could expand yeah it makes sense and that’s exactly what happened in like it’s i mean god i’m still very happy on chipotle day at work right of course we get lunch catered yeah it makes sense i mean if it’s just you know whenever you’re a business owner you kind of have to make the calls to you know compromise not like your vision or your morals but sometimes you have to make compromises to be successful and to create more success for the people around you yeah and that’s what they did and i don’t i don’t knock them for it no i don’t it’s hard it’s i i don’t knock them for it but also if my burrito’s not as good as it was 10 years ago i’m not going to go there as often you know i guess i know it’s it’s it’s tough it’s basically like how do you how do you scale and like adjust for the fact that like i’m probably going to lose 10 of returning customers because our burritos simply aren’t as good but i’m probably gonna acquire 15 percent new people because we’re on every freaking block exactly that’s probably how starbucks thinks too it’s like it’s like uh what’s it called a profit profit none loss gay man loss i don’t know this is like a business this is like a business management course let’s talk about the food though i like the food but i mean one of the one of the knocks obviously is that i mean there’s the whole cultural appropriation conversation of steve ells from colorado yeah doesn’t exactly have roots than the mexican community uh and is i mean one they were using straight like mesoamerican um like imagery yeah and the og chipotles i mean they would have these like aztec olmec looking stuff remember they were really cool it was really cool and 13 year old me was super enticed by that yeah it was really interesting and i remember thinking this is like this is like authentic mexican cuisine uh i never thought that i never always knew i always knew that it was a court like a like an easily digestible mexican uh restaurant yeah for the masses i always knew that going even when i was a 13 year old it’s hella whitewashed it’s a hella whitewashed when it comes to your journey hyundai is thinking of every mile that’s where the new 2023 hyundai palisade comes in the palisade offers all the technology safety features and comfort a family needs for the 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approaching vehicles do you know the music at chipotle there’s a guy that’s like the music guy at chipotle and that was like my dream job for like five minutes i was like i want to be the chipotle music person because i would literally shazam so many songs like something the music makes me want to stay here yeah and hang out here with my friends again they’re game changing they they did stuff like that i actually know someone who is um he was an ethnomusicology major at ucla oh my gosh yeah shout out shout out to julian uh we used to we worked at the catering company together at ucla but he actually got into that industry because he was kind of like well i don’t know if i’ll be a professional musician so he started working for this company that’s what they did they took these big corporations and curated playlists for them to communicate the vibe they wanted and chipotle was the king of that right yes like chipotle and like urban outfitters i mean they’re in the same echelon like chipotle became a lifestyle brand it did it sure did yeah yeah it was like remember there was like videos of like a person that would eat chipotle every single day yeah there’s like youtube videos and like uh vines and stuff like this is my 17th day eating chipotle like it was totally fine it was totally normal i mean i i used to say if there was one restaurant i could eat for the rest of my life it would be chipotle um i don’t believe that’s the case anymore oh it’s all pointless now which is great we finally come here linear shift yeah yeah because like chipotle once they they started you know expanding fast sacrificing a little bit of quality i was like okay well el pollo loco already went through this yeah and now i dig on that yeah also el pollo loco is authentic mexican food not for for whatever that means to you it is dude el pollo loco is from mexico i can’t remember where they started but it started in mexico started mexico and then the the original el pollo loco in la is on gosh alvarado street in um like uh kind of like koreatown historic field town area yeah and so el pollo loco is like you know they’re making legit puyol carbon um they do tamales every every christmas you know i have like el pollo loco to me is the perfect fast food restaurant yeah uh and i mean another thing about el pollo loco is it’s important for me if you’re eating something every single day like you want it to be healthy you don’t want it to make you feel bad sure i don’t play a local you just get delicious grilled chicken you can get little side salad and black beans it’s really good and she’s freaking delicious el pollo loco is underrated el pollo goes underrated i agreed i don’t think chipotle is overrated though because they they’re they’re delivering on their promises like it’s fresh it’s delicious it’s good yeah it’s it’s not authentic mexican cuisine but that corn sauce is the best thing i put in my mouth when i was like 12 years old it’s freaking delicious also i don’t i don’t know if i’ve had a better guacamole than chipotle’s oh my god it’s a very strange thing to say no it’s delicious it’s it’s i wouldn’t change anything about it again when i make guac at home i’m modeling it after the chips with the lime and the the salt on it wow what a game changer that salsa rojo yeah that’s a good idea how you say a recipe [Applause] yeah that’s another thing like if you were to eat their salsas blind and not know they’re associated with chipotle they’re freaking good they’re so good they are good they’re they’re like salsa like they’re like salsa camada the uh what do they call it they’ve changed the names over the years now they call it like medium tomatillo yeah yeah yeah salsa or whatever um but i mean it’s it’s fantastic they they season their food really well especially com you know compared to someone like god bless el pollo loco and uh avocado salsa oh my god that avocados also drink it like shots that’s a bomb sauce but like think about their their their tomato salsa they’re using it’s like ketchup it’s like the mealiest white tomatoes that are just mashed up a little bit of salt yeah no no that’s not good so chipotle they do deliver on the flavor their food i believe i think they’re they’ve had a lot of quality loss and also with regards to the fact that they’re now just turning into a traditional fast food restaurant like the proof to me is in the queso oh no i was going to say how do you feel about the queso okay so the queso to me is the perfect um encapsulation of everything wrong with chipotle’s model true in essence right because chipotle’s whole thing is they don’t use artificial flavors colors ingredients yada yada they went gmo free which i think is a very cool move back in 2016. uh so i mean for a company that doesn’t use or for a company that uses a lot of corn products they don’t use gmo corn which is very tough to do in america but again they still carry coca-cola products they have a massive contract with it which of course is loaded with gmos and i don’t have anything but their food is it their food isn’t and which is important it’s important i don’t have anything against gmos i don’t believe it causes cancer or anything like that but just the fact that they were able to at least get off of this massive you know farm contract uh and show other companies that could do that that’s a very cool thing they did however their whole no artificial ingredients thing queso the whole point of it it’s all part of it right yeah i think they’re just trying to knock on you know they’re trying to get that qdoba they’re trying to get that free bird style you know the california queso dorito situation there is cultural capital in the term queso yeah and so they tried to make that but the heart of queso is in processed ingredients otherwise you’re just making you’re making a monet sauce can i tell you what it is they also would get mad at you when you would ask them to put the cheese on the burrito and then grill it yeah they’re not with the quesadilla life so i think their fix was like let me just put melted cheese in there i think that was their mentality too like i’m tired of the way that my line is set up is my cheeses at the end also why is there cheese at the end of all the things to put at the end why are you putting the cheese on the end chipotle you need to move it over to the meats but that’s enough why is it there that’s another little microcosm of all the problems though right so their whole thing was like you love customizing this that’s why you’re at chipotle you can customize anything you want and yeah if there’s no one in line then sure we’ll we’ll do the queso for you but then chipotle got popular and suddenly you couldn’t customize it if it messed with their workflow but why wouldn’t you just as a business owner as a corporate entity know that you if you moved the cheese bin just a foot over that way you would make so much more money what about time because the cheese goes on top of taco you talk about their they they serve crispy shell american style hard tacos right okay they don’t need to go on this they’re actually pretty fire they can i don’t like their cruise i don’t like crispy no i don’t like it the only crispy tacos i like are from tito’s tacos cheetos because the only thing better than a tito’s taco is indigestion but let me no but like you could still put the cheese on you know what you could do let me tell you you could put the cheese in a little to-go packet and then the person can put it on themselves or they could have two basins two cheese basins oh but god then i mean then what you have to cut the queso base like what basin do you cut do you make the sour cream basin smaller then you’re changing out that sour cream 15 minutes sooner than you would no you know what you would do you would put the sour cream in a little squeeze bottle and then you would make life easier and then you could see but then you need another cold basin for that sour creams that’s what i’m saying though they uh they optimize too much to the point where you can’t get what you want no i’m telling i just to optimize chipotle listen to me there is a way you can succeed and keep and keep your customer retention high while also um keeping your bins low okay you just you just make a little corner it’s so easy you know you know the queso get rid of the queso get rid of that freaking whatever you put in the case of whatever they’re on their second formulation of queso by the way yeah uh don’t do that please don’t do that stop with the queso just remove that from your menu just take the cheese put it where the queso is remove the heat put cold on it there you go i just made you 15 million dollars i will send you my information very soon there’s this really infamous story of i think it’s like american airlines they they cut olive the olive yeah yeah they they had they served like a nicoise salad or something to first class and they went from serving two olives to one and it saved them like 200 000 over the course of the year which we know all went to like executive bonuses but that’s yeah i mean that’s that’s how these operate at scale right you make one small decision and it increases profits for one key investor uh i am telling you the cheese man gotta say thank you but again the thing that i want to talk about that’s very important is do you still do you think it’s overrated do you think it’s underrated how has this conversation changed your viewpoint do you think it’s changed your viewpoint at all um this conversation it’s it’s made me more appreciative for the work that chipotle put in to sort of change the game so i’m thinking of places like have you been to cava grill yes once and i hate you hated cava bro i love cabo they did it i mean or sweet green right i love sweet green i love sweet green too so sweet green is doing a lot of things off of the back of chipotle of what chipotle put in right of being transparent with sourcing right i mean sure i mean whenever i think of these places it’s just like it’s like this 800 degrees model it’s the subway model like whatever i’m looking at these are these places that you’re mentioning well so i mean when you say the 800 degrees model 800 degrees ju gotta really started by 800 degrees was a pizza place by the way for people that don’t know so 800 degrees was a pizza place that essentially did the chipotle model you walk down an assembly line which again is the subway model and you point the ingredients you want your pizza they fired it in an 800 degree oven for like 90 seconds i i really love it i loved it whenever like you we went to westwood when we were in college like that was like the place you would go after you would go to the frats yeah but i went with my mom like a year ago and it was horrific yeah but they expanded right there’s 800 degrees in dubai now that’s cool and it’s yeah it’s pretty cool but that’s how quality slips you expand quickly now 800 degrees had to try and pivot too i think dwayne wade invested in it what are these basketball players doing investing in these pizza places pizza i don’t know but now they pivoted to like a rotisserie restaurant because they they couldn’t handle it and they couldn’t scale that model 800 degrees is a rotisserie restaurant yeah yeah they straight up yeah what i mean they got big ovens you throw chickens in them you know is that real uh yeah i don’t know if it’s like a full remodel or whatever but i mean chipotle right chipotle even tried to take the magic that they had and expand into other models there was something called shop house which was like southeast asian chipotle yeah there was this one again there was one investment i think there was one on third street promenade there was uh and i really love shop house i thought they did a really good job but once the the the coronavirus outbreak hitch pulley no sorry once the norovirus and e coli outbreaks hit chipotle don’t get the two mixed up they they basically realized that they’d spread themselves too thin and so they closed down chipotle had their own pizza place called pizzeria locale they had their own burger place called uh like tasty burger they had their own rice bowl place called shop house yeah all these places yeah chipotle just they tried they spread themselves so thin on all these other concepts trying to change the world but it still made me realize that like without chipotle i don’t think you would have had sweet green i don’t think you would have had cabba these places that realize that people want flavorful fresh food and they want to know where the food is coming from and they don’t want to spend fine dining prices on it yeah and so i i respect chipotle for it they changed the game i think at some point they were perfectly rated uh i believe now they are just a normal fast food restaurant that serves perfectly good loft uh office lunch catering um but now i mean they’re they’re just a normal fast food restaurant that is less good than el pollo loco i mean i don’t think it’s less good than employee loco oh come on that avocados you drenched the chicken so nice and grilled and charred oh no you’re not gonna get me to say that it’s just two different i don’t know it’s just two different vibes for me like when i go to chipotle it takes me back to the good old days of like yeah high school and like trying cool foods for the first time like was barbacoa i’ve never had barbecue before delicious oh my gosh that’s another weird thing though is they they use like mexican terminology for certain things correct that’s not correct right so they’re barbacoa i mean like barbacoa can mean a lot of things but it’s typically made with either a whole cow’s head or a whole whole lamb with barbacoa de borrego um but they just use it for like spicy shredded beef ditto for the carnitas right it’s not cooked in lard it’s just it’s pulled pork they’re calling it carnitas their carne asada is really gross and that was what i was getting to because they’ve had yeah do you know what i mean obviously you know what carne asada means grilled meat yes yes they had grilled steak for years that is carne asada their their steak is good their steak is well it was good it’s still good no but do have you had in the last three years yeah i ordered it like do you know what sous vide now what so because of the e coli outbreak that they couldn’t trace they thought it might have come for their beef so they were like all right no more fresh beef we’re eating it in a factory to to get it basically pasteurized and then they’re sending it out to places to cook so you’re getting this weird like half braised sous-vide steak that’s always dry now and then they institute carne asada trying to i guess you know uh i don’t know like mexicanify themselves a little bit i hate it and they just put a bunch of cumin and lime which is like liquid smoke maybe yeah i hate it i hate it and they’re in these like long strips which is very strange they’re look how i think one time i measured it and it was like the size of like is this a forearm yeah it’s not my forearm but they could stick that long i don’t know it makes no sense it’s the cows and so i mean at this point uh i mean chipotle it’s you’re running the middle fasted restaurant that i still do really enjoy i just think at this point the fact that they’ve become this weird cult lifestyle brand that is so inundated with the like youth creator community and all the gold platinum chipotle cards i i do think it’s overrated but i still i have love in my heart for the nostalgia of what chiboli used to be i’m still gonna stand by my note i think it’s still quite perfectly rated and that is your prerogative it’s my prerogative there are few better foods to eat during the summer than a nice juicy grilled piece of chicken or steak or salmon that’s right whether you have a go-to favorite or you like switching up what you’re grilling you can 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started with the special butcher box deal for our listeners free bacon for the life of your membership plus 10 off holy smokes sign up today at butcherbox.com hotdog and use code hotdog to get one pack of free bacon in every box for the life of your membership plus ten dollars off your first order that’s butcherbox.com hotdog and use code hotdog to claim this deal [Music] all right nicole we’ve heard you and i have to say now it’s time to find out what other wacky ideas are rattling out there in the twitterverse it’s time for a segment we call opinions are like cancer rolls [Music] a little pitchy today are we nicole no that was perfectly on pitch for me all right first up we got at this dude draws guacamole is amazing and flavorful but avocado alone is just grass butter but yeah you’re saying like that like it’s about yeah that’s a good thing yeah i want grass better grass butter sounds i bet if you go to a restaurant that is fancy and they say grass butter for like 28 like a little baguette on the side you would buy it you would buy grass butter they did avocado butter avocado bottle they didn’t avocado butter at some like fancy restaurant in l.a some like tasting menu place and everyone was like whoa and i was like um seaweeds they do seaweed butter with french breakfast radishes that petit toi and that is a delight for the dish um but yeah well eating an avocado without salt is like kissing a man without a mustache that’s what i’ve always said i’m sorry one more time that’s what that’s what uh uh profesora gonzalez my spanish teacher wait i don’t know what you said kissing i’m sorry sorry eating avocado without salt is like kissing a man without a mustache yeah yeah sometimes i like kissing men without mustache it gets a little annoying avocado is so fatty that like yeah i mean it it loves salt and acid but that said i do love leaning into just like the vegetable fatty sweetness of avocado in like a dessert just some some some condensed milk on avocado in like a hollow hollow or something well i don’t do that i will just eat an avocado half of an avocado on its own yeah because i enjoy it put a little salt a little bit of vinegar on there yes treat bee gauge fitness says take any risotto style dish and replace the rice with oats you’ve improved it you’ve improved it eh uh let me think about that so i make a mushroom risotto and then i put oats in it savory oatmeal sounds pretty good i take rice pudding which is what a risotto hundred percent is yeah i love oatmeal have it often uh let’s think of another dish that has rice uh risotto style what’s a risotto style dish uh i think uh most risotto style dishes are called risotto oh okay yeah okay okay yeah that’s yeah i mean i don’t think it improves it i think it changes it but it’s it’s your prerogative to decide if it’s improved yeah i’m just going to keep singing that the whole time uh i i’d flip this theorem around and say that the opposite is more true that take any oat based dish replace it with rice and that’s better i made a lot of rice meal for breakfast did i really like make a brown rice porridge like essentially like a conjunction yeah um which is uh or what is the arroz caldo in uh the philippines yeah um yeah i ate a lot of rice porridges and i think i prefer to oats i like oats in the morning more than rice in the morning i’m like imagine i have to like fake chew too much i just saw you chewing yeah i was trying to imagine the texture of biting through oats i cook the living daylights out of my oats so my oats are like gum like it’s like eating gum well people i i think people don’t understand the difference between like oatmeal and oats because there’s a lot of people like oatmeal to me right think about corn versus corn meal yeah no no no there’s there’s different forms there’s rolled oats there’s quick there’s steel cutouts there’s a bunch of different oats but like oatmeal is just oats plus a liquid i disagree i think it’s ground oats well think about corn is it think about corn versus cornmeal right no oh like oatmeal literally means it’s oats that have been ground into a powder and then like turned into a porridge but like so people just cooking these whole oats calling it oatmeal and i get pissed off because i’m like i want mush i’m here for the lunch what wait i’m upset now i have to look at some packages i need to go to sprouts and look at the packaging about the quaker like packet oatmeal though yeah yeah that stuff’s just powder there’s like a hole there’s some one there’s like no there’s like a three oh yeah if you if you add up the pieces you get like three oats but like josh i think you just like blew my mind and i didn’t want that to happen so thank you so i like rice meal like pureeing my rice all right at soapy i don’t know if this counts but old wives tales about food should be kept alive what are there any old wives old old wives tales about food that that you do um no i’m trying to think and i don’t know if there’s any oh uh like uh blooming saffron with like ice water versus hot water i really don’t see it being any different are you supposed to bloom it in ice water yeah some people bloom in ice water also i like to grind my saffron with sugar because the abrasiveness of the sugar helps with the breakdown of the saffron but i don’t really see any difference if it’s with hot water or cold water i think it’s just water but like i’ve never seen a difference in the way that i’ve done it one that i really really like and that i think is incredibly sexist that we should no longer keep it’s not a persian one it’s a it’s an italian one that says women that are on their menstrual cycles cannot make tomato sauce did you know that no women on their menstrual cycles are not allowed to help making tomato sauce like help like doing the tomato sauce process i don’t nicole i don’t know much about the female body is it a ph balance i don’t know what it is i don’t know what it is but it’s an old wise tale an italian old wives tale that’s it because bears will come attack i don’t know i don’t know what it is but i just think it’s wack like that’s like whenever the old wives tales have roots in like sexism or racism we should not adhere to them but if it’s like water temperatures and like i don’t know like uh knock your foot three times before you grind your rice i don’t know like that’s okay yeah i think i think there’s some truth not to the menstruation and tomato sauce one but certain things like um i remember like my my best friend deep’s mom was telling me how to cook pow budgie which is one of my favorite indian dishes um it’s this like lovely you know very like a hard spice like potato dish uh and she was like boiled potatoes whole and i was like well can i just cube them up and she was like no and i was like why and she was like i never did that way my mom never did that way just cook the potatoes whole and i was like well i’m gonna try it dicing up the potatoes and just boiling it’s gonna be quicker um and then you know you quickly realize that when you boil a potato hole it steams very evenly from the inside right protective layer correct and so there’s more you know i guess it’s not an old wives tale but that was one of the things that made me realize like when some people say stuff and they make real good food you should just listen to the thing they say yes there’s there’s a reason they do it that way that’s kind of like love translated in cooking but things like um you gotta cook the octopus with the wine cork in there that’s like a weird a weird one like that um but i do think keeping some of these alive yeah it’s uh it’s not just old wives sales right it’s tradition it’s tradition yeah that’s what worldwide keep culinary traditions live agreed next up we have like you gotta stir your mayonnaise and ketchup together with a fork the spoon is gonna create curds in the mayonnaise why not a whisk don’t she always gets mad at me whenever i use a whisk to whisk my eggs up you know whenever you use a fork i would do yeah when i would use a fork you would get maddie like it’s not a fish i’m like it’s whipping up at the same time okay not another hipster says asian fish sauce is far superior to worcestershire sauce all day long they’re different but like as a generality yeah a lot of recipes i’m clapping for you i’m clapping a lot of recipes where people say to add worcestershire what they really mean is that fish sauce what like what it should be is fish sauce i love fish sauce and i sneak it into so many things and people always say what is that that’s good i’ve never had my my my my pasta taste this way yeah and i don’t tell them what it is because if i tell them a lot of the times people are very turned off by the idea of fish sauce normalized fish sauce in every single dish because it’s a huge umami booster flavor enhancer yesterday i just made like a simple we ate pretty heavy in the kitchen yesterday nicole oh my god you made me a grilled cheese that made me shudder in terms of it was delicious i’ve never seen you react visually to a food and that made me so happy and and but anyways i went home and i was like i need a nice piece of fish and some salad but i i just loaded my salad dressing up as a simple like kind of you know chivy dilly buttermilk dressing and i just dumped fish sauce in it as the seasoning and it was lovely um whiskey sheer i mean you get the acid the fruitiness it doesn’t really do it for me though yeah it doesn’t really do it for me that much either i’m trying to defend it as a sauce that you know but they don’t really worcestershire doesn’t need defending lee and parents they’re going to be fine yeah i mean it has its place but fish sauce is like yes asian fish sausage bomb diggity at so gandalf chicken cooped over regular kooby dead but actually means to like uh break down so like kubied means like you broke it down so it’s like ground me and barak doesn’t have a translation but it’s like whole pieces of filet mignon is like and like it’s cut really thin and skewered and so chicken ground meat kabob versus regular which is beef or lamb i don’t eat lamb kabob ever i never eat lamb never ever uh yeah but i do agree i love chicken coota it’s the bomb i love it i prefer it to regular kuvita too really i love it the way that these people season their chicken the spice comes through more into chicken oh my god gorgeous it’s just so succulent and it’s so perfectly cooked the beef can sometimes dry out because of the salt they add but like it’s really good i agree bag overall is like the best that is a good point actually about the way that because when you salt the beef like that it does it gives you almost like that um i’m mixing cultures here but yeah that hard texture like not a snap not a snap but like it has that certain uh like uh sturdiness yeah yeah yeah the proteins almost like seem to harden totally and yeah chicken it comes through better in there but jujit kabob overall come on girl nicole you taught me fujikawa means cornish hen and cornish hen kebab is one of the best ways to eat persian food yes yes yes okay um steven shepherd says is cauliflower a better substitute for grains or meats oh that’s funny i get what they’re asking what are they asking they’re basically saying because people people have turned cauliflower into so many things that never wanted to oh like cauliflower steak versus cauliflower rice yeah yeah okay you know i’m gonna say it’s a better substitute for meat interesting why uh because it is like i don’t know i feel like it absorbs the flavors of meat like things better than than the texture of a grain like whenever i’m eating a cauliflower bite smothered in buffalo sauce that is more reminiscent of a chicken wing more so than me eating a a spoonful of white rice versus a spoonful of cauliflower rice i i think we need to i i love cauliflower i’ve always loved cauliflower since i was a kid it’s like broccoli with a less offensive flavor i mean i also totally but but i’ve always loved cauliflower i eat it all the time i always have heads of it i just i roast the hell out of it and then i’ll dip in the sauce i will rice it sometimes just because i enjoy eating it with a spoon and it’ll absorb flavors occasionally i’ll do a whole roast cauliflower head dress it up with some like tahini a bunch of like fresh herbs some pomegranate seeds david’s mom does that and it is so good she cooks the living daylights out of it and it’s beautiful she’s a really good cook her cauliflower head like the the whole roasted cauliflower is the best i’ve ever had but my problem with this is the framing of it right like is it a better substitute don’t think of food in terms of substitutes i know we we’ve been raised to believe that a meal is like starch plus meat plus x you know but yeah i mean eat a cauliflower steak for the sake of eating a delicious vegetable that is cauliflower sake eat cauliflower rice for the sake of eating a you know delicious way to prepare a vegetable um it’s tough to like get out of these sort of boxes i’m thinking that like and i know this has a lot connected to diet culture as well yeah but i mean cauliflower just cauliflower you can cut it and hack it in different ways do it however you enjoy it but it’s still just cauliflower dainty grain it ain’t a meat it’s just a delicious vegetable that you’ve made for yourself and on that note thank you for listening to a hot dog as a sandwich if you want to hear more from us here in the mythical kitchen we got new episodes for you every wednesday if you want to be featured on opinions or like casseroles you can hit us up on twitter at mythicalchef or and handyzade with the hashtag opinioncasserole for more mythical kitchen check us out on youtube where we launch new videos every week and of course if you want to share pictures of your dishes hit us up on instagram at mythical kitchen see y’all next time see ya [Music] when it comes to your journey 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