[Music] the cilantro version a genetically predetermined distaste or a scientific hoax purported by unsophisticated pallets today we ask the question are cilantro haters faking it this is a hot dog is the sandwich ketchup is a smoothie yeah i put ice in my cereal so what that makes no sense a hot dog is a sandwich a hot dog is a sandwich welcome to our podcast of hot dogs the sandwich the show where we break down the world’s biggest food debates i’m your host josh sharer i’m your host nicole hendizada and today we are answering the question are cilantro haters faking it nicole what you think no i don’t think they’re faking it why would they be faking it they have a multitude of reasons you’re not inside their head i do believe i believe cilantro haters are faking it i believe that obviously food tastes are real there are people who do dislike cilantro but i think at this point once all those quote unquote scientific studies came out saying that like it’s purely to blame on your genes everybody use that as an excuse and they’ve since created the cilantro hating identity off of it and it gives them an excuse not to open themselves up to new foods in new cultures yes they’re faking it for attention what do you mean new foods in new cultures cilantro isn’t that like out there cilantro’s in a lot of different it’s in a lot of foods that’s not an excuse to not eat things what oh nicole nicole so we need to get down to the science of this really fast because like we don’t want to come on we i’m the only one in there i am the one who does not want to come off as anti-science so uh they 23 and me did this very famous study they have proven that there is one specific gene that is associated with the hatred of cilantro it makes cilantro taste like soap to people and that’s because the gene um has what is it it creates a variation in the olfactory reception of aldehydes and aldehydes are often associated with rancidity in foods so foods that have gone bad and also it’s found in like a byproduct of soap making so a lot of people say cilantro tastes soapy however having a gene that makes something taste different to you does not immediately mean that you cannot eat a single leaf of cilantro that you cannot learn to like cilantro is the other factor in this and so i think a lot of people are just using the scientific study you know as a sort of a guard against them going out of their comfort zone is this similar to you in the same vein as people that believe that they are uh celiac or gluten-free is this kind of the way that you’re looking at this uh argument yeah i was just gonna bring that up obviously there are people who have celiac disease which is very serious i know people who have who if they eat you know a single i don’t know a grain of gluten what quantity does gluten come in if they eat a single gluten they will you know end up in the hospital i also do believe that there are a lot of people who are intolerant to gluten especially in america we talk about how much our wheat is processed compared to other countries and some spike in gluten intolerance i ate a ton of bread i got the tummy bubbles a little bit you know but do i think there are a lot more people who you know use gluten intolerance as an excuse at a restaurant to you know inconvenience a server sure and i don’t think there’s anything wrong with that per se like i get it diet is extremely personal i’m not here to say that you know you need to eat gluten if you don’t like to eat something don’t eat it if you don’t eat like to eat cilantro you don’t have to eat it but these people who are chirping about how like oh it’s genetic i’m special i have the cilantro hating gene that’s why you know we can’t order the guacamole for the table it’s just like uh you know what chill but do you think they’re faking it do you think their hatred is fake or is it just a convenience thing because i think if you hate like hate is a strong word you know if you like don’t enjoy it why should you teach why should you force yourself to like something there’s no logic in that like if i don’t like eating snails which i do love i do love escargot why am i gonna force someone to eat a snail like what’s the point of forcing people to like something they don’t have to like it they can enjoy other things it doesn’t bother me if i’m like you said sitting at a table ordering guacamole for the table if the person doesn’t like cilantro it’s fine we will like we’ll just get to guacamoles you know we’ll have the cilantro haters eat the cilantro this guacamole and then the ones that like cilantro will eat the the proper guacamole you know i don’t think people are just hating things to hate things as much as you think i don’t think people are like that maybe i’m just like an intrinsically i think everyone’s like an intrinsically good person and like they just you know wake up sheeple it’s a cruel dark cilantro hating world out there we need to fight against it uh no okay one let’s go back to the science a little bit so in this 23andme study they found that have you done 23 in me josh 23 and me okay wait what’d you find out um i found out that i’m uh part iberian i’m a little bit ashkenazi and two percent unknown which means that i’m from mars and i like cilantro i don’t have the cilantro-heating gene there’s like something about like haplogroups and like like you said like aldehydes i remember like looking through it extensively because i have this problem where like if i do like like i like to like go back and like look at things that i did like five years ago to say ah i guess that is legit like it tells you if like uh your pee smells like asparagus like when you eat asparagus and stuff it’s really interesting it is but no i i don’t i don’t know if i just want to give away all my genetic information to find out if i have the asparagus pee gene that’s weird to me and also i think one of the reasons i didn’t want to do 23andme is because my ex-girlfriend’s mom got it for me for christmas and i was like what are you trying to find in my gene pool lady it’s so cool i found out like like illnesses that i might get when i’m older which was kind of freaky dinky but like whatever it’s interesting like i might get a fib when i’m 80. like what the frick i like leaving that stuff up to chance where’s you know the the magic in life if you don’t think you might get you know early onset alzheimer’s i think it’s interesting it is interesting it’s not interesting enough for me to want to do it and again i think it’s funny that did they just straight up say on the 23andme test like you got the cilantro hating gene it said that um you are likely to not have this gene due to your genetic composition interesting okay so so one of the things that they found in that study is that it is predominantly people who have this cilantro hating gene are predominantly from uh white european descent right and if you think about the cultures that typically eat cilantro more it tends to be you know latin america and uh east southeast and i suppose south asia so most of asia uh eats cilantro even though the history of cilantro it was technically from like the eastern mediterranean and actually used to be a big part of european diets we go on and on about the history of cilantro but the way it stands now cilantro predominantly in latin and asian cuisines do you think that there is intrinsic value in opening yourself up to other people’s cuisines do you think you can learn about the world from eating other people’s food of course you can absolutely i’m a huge i’m a huge proponent of that and do you think that it is always appropriate so say you want to eat a bowl of and in this uh you know particular regions bowl of fuss cilantro plays a big role in it in south vietnam cilantro is a big part of so do you think it would be appropriate to still try and experience that cuisine without one very key ingredient do you think you’re still getting the full experience or do you think that you are kind of imparting your own tastes onto that without truly opening yourself up to the possibilities of it no listen if you try it and you don’t like it that’s it that’s done you should i respect your decision to at least try it and give it an honest go try it in different preparations sure but i don’t think you’re missing out on did you say southern thai uh southern southern vietnam in northern vietnam i believe no southern vietnam sorry mostly no in southern no in southern vietnam cuisine i think if you don’t eat the cilantro i don’t think that’s disrespectful to a culture like if someone came to my house and um they don’t like sumac sumac berry is a huge super super important part of persian culture if they come over and they try and they don’t like it it’s not a big deal i’m not going to be like poo poo like you uncultured swine it’s just a preference and like i respect their preference you know i get like good job you tried it you enjoyed it whatever like you did your part and if you didn’t enjoy it that’s totally fine here’s some other food that doesn’t have any sumac in it tell me what you think that’s how i would go about it because i think people are good and i think what’s that hobbs are locked that believe that people were inherently evil no i don’t but i do think people are sometimes inherently closed-minded and there are evolutionary reasons for that right especially if you look at how tastes developed okay so if you think about the reasons that evolutionarily we enjoy certain foods like we enjoy a sweet taste because your body purely like runs off of glucose and so there’s an evolutionary need to have sugar in your diet that gives you energy makes you not die you like sweet things you tend like acidic things because they’re associated with fruits and fruits have essential vitamins in them we have the taste umami because at least a lot of anthropologists think that it’s something that incentivizes you to eat proteins and also fermented foods so these kind of make sense and so the want to avoid that aldehyde taste that people with the cilantro gene say that they have um is you know a biological imperative aldehydes are created from rot and bugs spraying defense mechanisms and all that however yummy however there are so many times uh in our lives that we overcome that nicole what’s your favorite cocktail oh i love negroni’s we both love negronis but what’s the main taste that you associate with negroni bitter death bitter death right like bitterness is literally your body’s mechanism to tell you like this is poisonous it’s gonna kill you you dummy poison so if you if you tried a negroni for the first time say when you were younger especially do you think you would have immediately associated that as a good taste no right no but the first time i had gin i was 15 and i was at a bar mitzvah and i got like seven screwdrivers and i’m like this is great so maybe i’m just an anomaly no that’s that’s a really good point also wait the first time i had gin was at a bar mitzvah when i was underage oh my gosh it’s the same one my cousin vic gave me a bunch of gin and tonics and uh yeah there’s like a fake jamaican mc and i i tried to teach people how to dougie but i didn’t know how to dougie yeah i had gin and tonics too wait it wasn’t screwdrivers screwdrivers was another one when i was like 16. but yeah gin and tonics were the first drink i ever drank at like at a bar mitzvah and i was like loosey-goosey but you know gin is bitter but i was just living my life i guess i knew that i wasn’t dying because it was alcohol and not poison yeah also don’t don’t drink underage please thank you if you’re listening to this please don’t drink if you are underage drink when you are 21 when you are legal enough to drink thank you so much chat message from ryan moody give a don’t underage drink to cover us like okay don’t don’t underage you know in europe they’re allowed to you know but no crimes are bad i suppose uh if we have to say it okay so times are bad that’s that’s actually a really interesting point that you brought up the fact that you associate that bitter taste with fun in good memories right so it now created a positive memory in your mind associated with bitterness even though biologically you’re not supposed to like that in the same way that someone isn’t supposed to like cilantro if they have that gene but now you associate bitter with getting sliced get a bar mitzvah you know and so that’s getting slizzard is that is that from uh don’t tell me fly like a g6 yeah yeah correct correct so that’s the thing if you expose yourself enough to something and create positive memories around it you can overcome this biological imperative to have a bad taste and i think cilantro would fall into that category obviously it’s different because gin is fun juice and it makes more mitzvahs more tolerable when you don’t speak hebrew but i think if you say we had like a dinner party at your place and i have never tried sumac and you know i try it and i go um i don’t immediately like that but then someone gives me like a little gentle nudge i’m just like no no it’s really really good on this food it’s very important you know in iran and in our cuisine try it on this and we’re all having a fun time you know and then i might leave you know having a different appreciation for sumac because i’ve had this complete experience with it whereas if you don’t you know completely open yourself up to it you’re never going to have that and i think it takes more than one time to try food i think exposure can like really kind of you know help you and push you through this is this a pavlov’s dog situation like associating cilantro with good times and then is that what it is is it like similar yeah it’s it’s to me it’s the same the same thing as that you just have this like positive mind association with something and i think there’s really a lot of value to it in terms of like empathizing with other cultures say you’re a white american who doesn’t like cilantro uh then you know there was um a writer but he he wrote a story about bringing uh you know chinese food in his lunch uh to school and you know a lot of the white kids making fun of him before having cilantro on top of that or his mom would pack a story of my life right but that’s why i’m saying that people make fun of me all the time kids still make fun of me what can i eat what kind of lunches would you bring oh my gosh so some okay have you ever had kabob but you had it a day after and it smells like a bowl of farts no when i eat cabbage there’s none left okay whenever you whenever you like save cabo when you put it in a tupperware like those airtight concealers and then you open it up it it reeks okay it smells like farts just ruminating through the lunchroom and no one wants to sit next to you when your food smells like farts so it’s okay if there’s three or four cilantro leaves on there because no one cares anyways because your food smells like a fart but what if what if those kids had been exposed to that flavor because i i know the fart flavor i know okay things fart is an objective term sometimes there’s things that i’m like that smells like fart but i really want to eat it right a good french cheese applause we talked about this last episode it smells like farts it smells like someone threw up in a dumpster but you still have sexy farts you literally refer to the tasting notes in applause as cabbagey what other bodily function is cabbagey but a fart so there’s certain things that like they smell bad but good like fish sauce yes like that’s a great example fish sauce you know smells objectively bad but then you’re like oh damn i remember eating this really delicious bowl of bun tnung at a vietnamese restaurant i know that quote-unquote bad you know rank smell is actually very very good flavor and you associate that smell of positivity now so i think there’s benefit to exposing yourself to different foods especially from different cultures especially things that you may not like the first time i think you can get like genuine empathy from that what if those kids had been exposed to kabul and they were like that’s not far that’s delicious old kabob they would be much nicer to me and not make fun of my eyebrows that were uh one one eyebrow one large eyebrow no but but but again i don’t i think if you give it a few tries and you still don’t like it that’s okay like you don’t need to what i’m saying is you don’t need to force yourself to like something and you don’t need to force yourself to hate something you know just it’s like not necessary if you feel some way it’s okay to express it you don’t need to force yourself to like everything do you like everything josh is there one thing you don’t like what don’t you like to eat there is it is a raw celery is the only thing that i hate and so great you’re correct are you faking are you faking hating raw celery because you’ve tried eating it seven times which you for sure have no i i don’t believe i am i don’t enjoy it i don’t believe you josh you should have it in a different preparation josh have you tried it in this preparation what about a raw salad what about if it’s marinated with a little bit of a cumin seed and lemon juice have you ever thought about having it with peanut butter and raisins alla ants on a log i i haven’t wait didn’t you did you or your mom make me a really delicious um quarter with celery um it was my mom but i brought her for you yeah it was really good uh i like cooked celery but no i i do your point is very very well taken it is as annoying as i find it when people won’t give cilantro even a single chance and they you know pick it out of all food and they inconvenience waiters i understand how it would be like equally if not more annoying for somebody to say like no no i know you better than you know you you will like cilantro so i totally get it exactly so i i don’t think are you saying that that hating cilantro is just a cape for hating other cultures no not no not necessarily but i i do think the two can be somewhat linked uh in a way i suppose i really don’t think it’s that deep i mean if you get like i said if you give it a a good honest try and you don’t like it that’s i mean that’s that it is what it is why force it you know i mean do you i like here like here’s some some information about some people that don’t like it ina garten my queen literally the one person i look up to the most says i know people love it and you can add it to the recipe i just hate it that’s okay aina i still love and respect you even though you hate cilantro kim kardashian the queen the armenian queen of internet viral videos and photos she doesn’t like it julia child the actual like first food star said herself she would pick cilantro out and throw it on the floor if it was in her dish and you know what that’s totally fine her hatred is valid you can totally use that and you can say it for mint you can see it for parsley you can say it for x y and z do i think that the taste of soap is like a little bit dramatized yeah a little bit i don’t think it’s that bad did you ever did you ever get your mouth cleaned out with soap when you were a kid josh yes yes i did me too i really did like all the time because i was a naughty young child but you know i mean it’s not that unpleasant the soap isn’t that icky i i watched a lot of south park i think i watched the south park movie when i was like seven years old and so i probably deserved to okay so there’s a story in the new york times where uh author harold mcgee wrote about one of the first studies that came out about the cilantro hatred and he called up a neuroscientist named jay gottfried um who he didn’t even know that he had any relationship cilantro we just wanted to talk about it but it turns out this jay gottfried neuroscientist at northwestern uh was a former cilantro hater uh and he had this really fantastic quote may read it of course you may thank you i love i love food and i ate all kinds of things and i kept encountering it my brain must have developed new patterns for cilantro flavor from those experiences which included pleasure from the other flavors and the sharing of friends and family that’s how people in cilantro eating countries experience it every day so i began to like cilantro it can still remind me of soap but it’s not threatening anymore he’s talking about in the biological imperative so that association fades into the background and i enjoy its other qualities on the other hand if i ate cilantro once and never willingly let it pass my lips again there never would have been that chance to reshape the perception so i’m not saying you should ever force someone to eat cilantro i’m not saying to like really harp on it but to the people who claim that they have the cilantro hating gene just try it a couple times you still may not like it but all i ask is that like you give it a couple good solid attempts at it and even there’s uh if you what is it if you kind of like smash cilantro then it actually like uh breaks down some of the compounds that form the aldehydes and so that can be like a good gateway into doing it there was at the end of this article he talks about making a cilantro pesto and that being like a gateway into it so i’m saying is having the open-mindedness to not use you know this study that says it’s in your gene pool it can’t be avoided like you still have some agency over yourself tastes are completely fluid the first time you drank beer you probably hated it and then the 19th time you drank beer when you’re of age ryan uh you probably had a really good time and all i’m saying don’t force people and obviously not they’re not faking that this uh genetic difference does exist but i do think it’s over dramatized and a smoke screen okay i agree that it is uh over dramatized i’ll agree with you on that but i also don’t think it’s fake yeah i i guess you’re correct that it’s not fake i i like i do believe that the science exists and i don’t believe that everyone it’s like gluten intolerance is real it’s really unfair to say that that’s fake um you know especially the people who end up in the hospital because of it um yeah but i would say another part of it is i think this has become like a sort of identity for certain people like if you look at all the face there’s so many facebook pages that exist that are like cilantro haters anonymous and it’s like you’re not anonymous because you’re really going off yeah and there’s so many memes about it that i think that all reinforces it culturally that like this is just a genetic thing and i hate it and that tastes are completely fixed and i’m never going to like this and so i think that’s like part of the problem is that people use it as like you know i’m not like the other kids i hate cilantro you know it makes them feel kind of special for that it’s like uh left-handers aren’t they the worst josh i’m left-handed yes that is my joke josh that half of my identity is being left-handed the other half is cooking what you ruined me i have a serious question are there any dishes that do not work with cilantro do you think santa absolutely like obliterates a dish have you ever experienced that i’m trying to think about it i i mean i’m personally and again i’m coming at this from a very biased source but i am a huge cilantro lover especially growing up in southern california you know my parents didn’t cook at all and so i grew up eating at local taquerias and i lived in a big vietnamese neighborhood and cilantro was like really big in both those cuisines and so i’m sure the first time i had it like it wasn’t my favorite thing but now when i make guacamole like it is forest green because of the amount of chopped cilantro that i put in there it’s one of my favorite flavors to me it has a very kind of grassy smell in the way that like fresh jalapenos do or you know any sort of like really aggressive green or chives uh but i really love it so i mean you can put too much cilantro in a dish and the way you can put too much of any ingredient in a dish but for me i mean it’s just this pure absolute bright uh verdancy to it i agree i mean i can’t eat a street taco without tons of cilantro and seboya on it if i don’t it’s not the same i don’t think it’s ever ruined a dish for me either so you’re saying that it’s never been like if someone really wanted to enjoy a street taco in the proper context you’re saying they would need the cilantro right yes right that’s what i’m saying yes that’s the proper context like you said it best yourself it’s not the same if you don’t have the cilantro on there the cilantro is the freshness that cuts through all you know the fatty meats it’s like people who don’t put like salsa on their tacos it’s just like no this is the relationship this is the social contract you signed when you rolled up to this taco truck and then there’s people that go i don’t like mexican food because it’s dry it’s like you didn’t visit the salsa bar bro what are you doing i’m trying to hide my face so you can’t see how like how like found i just became yes because because literally if i go to a taco truck and someone isn’t eating cilantro in their tacos i give them the side eye yeah i do too i love them i love how none of this was like you were like yeah don’t don’t put the sumac on the persian food who cares but when it came to like street tacos you were just like there better be cilantro on there or else you’re dead oh my gosh why is that that’s so weird i don’t know that’s a part of it i think it’s probably because you and i have like a deep deep respect for you know uh that food culture and you know the fact i really do yeah me too you know and so i’m not saying force people to eat cilantro but i’m saying that you are missing out on a valuable part of life by not opening yourself up fully to like all the tastes of the world and the cultures of the world that’s my own yeah but what if but what if you don’t like it this is my this is the conundrum like what if you just don’t like it does that mean you’re not allowed to partake in the experience of a street taco i want everyone to experience street tacos but does that mean that they can’t experience it because they hate cilantro or can they still you know navigate around it by having just onions on it and still you know kind of being with the crew even if they get side eyed but from that weird girl on the corner me i mean that’s a heck of a question i know if if i went to a restaurant and they were like it is very traditional to put raw celery on this dish i would eat it i would understand that it’s not my favorite flavor to me it kind of you know uh really permeates the dish very deeply that said i would absolutely bite the bowl and eat it as it was meant to be eaten and not to me in what is a somewhat selfish act you know i asked them to remove that that’s my opinion i think that if you expose yourself enough to it and you create these positive memory associations with it which what is a more positive memory association than going to leo’s taco truck uh or no you’re a you’re an el chato girl yes i am thank you for catching that yes i’m taco’s comics that’s my spot i just assumed i’ve never had that before anyways la street street taco politics aside uh rolling up to el chato at one in the morning you know having you know that fresh taste of cilantro and the spicy salsa in the fatty alpa store or cabeza in your mouth i think you will learn to appreciate it damn it josh that’s all i’m saying so you’re saying that science is fake in that we create [Applause] no i’m not saying that i just think i don’t know i don’t know i’m more confused than i started and this always happens to me because my mind gets blown and then i just i’m just left blubbering and my voice gets heightened and like i i can’t make eye contact and no just gets weird no it is it’s a really complicated uh issue you know like you don’t ever want to tell someone that your personal preferences are wrong but then how do you excuse someone just saying like my personal preferences exclude a large swath of cuisine from an entire part of the world that i’ve never actually opened myself up to so it’s very complicated but to me just have an open mind and don’t you know use this whole uh genetic idea that there’s a cilantro hating gene out there as an excuse for you to just close yourself off to certain foods open your heart open your mind and stop faking it you idiot nicole we’ve heard what you and i have to say now it’s time to find out what other wacky ideas are rattling out there in the twitterverse it’s time for a segment we call opinions casseroles we’re never going to be able to get that right over do it with confidence dude what’s wrong three two opinions are like casseroles [Music] okay let’s start with uh at twitter we got at toaster oven donut shops are useless if they don’t also serve breakfast sandwiches i’m prepared to fight anyone about this toaster drop drop the gloves bro get into the octagon i’ll be flat on my back you you get in my guard i’ll get you in uh god i know nothing about mma um well i in in la most donut shops do also serve breakfast sandwiches and a lot of them serve boba and some of them sell cigarettes i love my la donut shop they are my favorite institutions in the world shout out to the cambodian community because they actually own most ellie doughnut shops i wouldn’t say they’re useless so i don’t know i think there’s room for standalone donut shops i mean if you do something good and that’s that’s your namesake do it there’s no problem you don’t need to like pull out all the tricks and and be like like you know a superstar just do one thing and do one thing good and you know it’s it’s worth it it’s good you’re not useless yeah they’re very like that yeah there’s used to a good donut agreed okay random jeff says all places that serve wings should have a flats only option on the menu it is a superior wing and the and the only one anyone needs to talk about unless that’s an option i’ll enjoy boneless wings instead okay i agree because i love flats and i don’t want to eat the the drums but the secret is you need to date someone who um likes the drums so you can eat all the flats this is how this is how relationships work it doesn’t matter about you know you know the same religion you know respect attractiveness no all that matters is when you eat wings one person eats the ones you don’t like and that’s it that’s so beautiful i might cry um the problem with having a flats only option on the menu is that there’s just gonna be like thousands of drumettes thrown out because flats are vastly superior to drumettes and so that’s why a lot of restaurants will have a drumetz-only option but no flats only option because like they’re trying to get the drumettes out of there they’re just worse drumsticks so i agree in theory but very hard to actually practice okay random jeff has another one but this one’s important so i really want to read it chili with beans is not chili you don’t get to change my ancestors food and keep the name call it american chili or something so people can know you aren’t serving authentic chili there’s a there’s a reason official competitions ban beans chili is one of the most fascinating foods in the entire world because like its full name is like chile con carne a spanish dish chile spelled with an e meaning actual like chilies with meat um and it is a very native tejano dish i’m reading a fantastic book by gustav ariano about the history of mexican food in america and like uh you know back in the late 19th century there were what they called the chili queens of san antonio um back when it was you know actually a part of mexico who were serving like legit chile con carne and that became the first taste of mexican food for america but now like you know you have this sweet ketchup meat sauce on top of hot dogs that we also call chili that has like nothing similar to it and then you have all these vegan nine bean chilies cooked in a slow cooker that just looks like a can of progressive soup uh so it’s really fascinating and you know i might agree with you that we need different names for legit like chile con carne and uh or a bowl of texas red as they call it and then you know cincinnati style chili that you slop on top of spaghetti but all of them are delicious but i think we should call them different things i don’t have enough of information about this to really comment on it so i’m just gonna let you go on that all right big mama jay z double zero step one order arby’s mozzarella sticks step two [ __ ] that marinara sauce get bronco berry sauce wait step three lament wasted years of not doing this first of all my dad’s favorite restaurant in the whole entire world is arby’s so i’m definitely gonna do this and i don’t know what bronco berry sauce is in my household we know two sauces horsey sauce and arby sauce literally i have one of those green uh whole foods uh salad containers full of both sauces so uh i don’t know man big mama underscore whatever your name is i’m gonna try this out of respect for you because your name is big mama i saw the phrasing of that come up and i was like i wonder if nicole’s gonna change the words nah no but that said dipping mozzarella steaks into a sweet sauce makes a lot of sense to me uh because i i was just thinking right before we started recording this i was like what if you made a really delicious mac and cheese and like drizzled honey on it you know like like a good like a bunch of like white cheese in it like maybe even toss some humboldt fog in there i love like cheese and sweet like salty cheese and some sort of sweet drizzly thing i love so i’d be into that same i’m i’m in the same boat should we move on to the next one yeah what do we got we got only pomegranate don’t know if this is weird but sugar plus pumpkin plus cinnamon is a turkish dish and it’s great it translates to pumpkin dessert we’re very straightforward like that uh that sounds dope i like the idea of eating vegetables for dessert and not just like vegetables blended into stuff like a carrot cake but it’s taking a sugar and roasting it with pumpkin and cinnamon on it that sounds incredible what a lovely like healthier dessert than a refined pastry we do that too but we do it with um yellow squash i believe or acorn squash it’s really really good big fan big fan uh a thing a lot a lot of uh like west asian people have told me like people from the middle east and the levant is that white people can never understand fruit culture oh yeah and my mom is literally my mom is literally on the other side of the door right now probably with a pleat of fruit waiting for me to stop this podcast so she can come hand it off to me i i want that so much it’s just a sign of love my dad would microwave me hot pockets sometimes i guess that’s love that’s totally the same thing josh mine is just fresh fruit yours is ham and cheese okay uh crisp ranger 2166 says barbecue does novel long on pizza it blink and slaps even i replay i even replaced the sauce with barbecue he said it does belong on pizza oh no barbecue does belong on pizza uh yeah i mean i i love a good barbecue chicken pizza from cpk yeah i know you do too just rub it all over my body let me shower off in the sink josh loves barbecue sauce so much it actually doesn’t make sense like josh i think josh should just like take all the blood out of his body and just fill it up with stubs barbecue and he would be like so happy no i’m doing the long game i’m just eating so much stubs barbecue that it’s naturally infusing my blood with it like if i guess your skin turns more more ruddy because of it it has if i get a paper cut i just smell like liquid smoke okay barbecue barbecue chicken pizza is fantastic it was a part of my childhood it was the fanciest dish i had eaten till i was 18 years old i love it and i also hate when they just put a normal red sauce on it and then drizzle barbecue sauce on top no barbecue sauce is the sauce it is the garnish it is the dessert i love you chris pranger2166 i love it too i love him too i love you this is a good callback uh samantha young six cincinnati style chili is the best chili hands down no contest can you tell me what it is what is cincinnati chili okay so cincinnati style chili uh it is commonly served at a restaurant chain called skyline up there and that’s where they will put the chili on top of like spaghetti with cheddar cheese i’ve seen it what makes a chili really interesting is it was invented by a macedonian immigrant who basically like had this macedonian dish that is a braised meat dish with tomato and red wine and cinnamon i’ve had a greek or albanian dish called kappa mod that’s really similar and i really love the flavor profile um but he needed like a new way to kind of market this to americans and chili was kind of big at the time it sort of looked like chili and so he said screw it i’mma call this like random macedonian um stew uh chili and so it that’s why it’s it’s so much sweeter uh the only link that it has with chili is that like they’re both red and have meat in it yeah yeah and so it’s okay it’s delicious i’ll just like submerge a hot dog in at french dip style and eat it but like to me there’s nothing better than a bowl of texas red chile corn carne i don’t i still don’t know enough about chili to comment on this but i i respect your ear we talk about this freely we need to have like a chili night because there’s been so many chili comments we’re like i eat it with peanut butter sandwiches i ate it with cinnamon rolls in kansas city we need to just do a whole chili day okay that’s fine but i need a bottle of tums and a bottle of pepto-bismol and uh just like some kopec tank just in case i die okay squidney louise says my husband and i constantly fight about whether soy sauce is a salad dressing please settle this once okay so like some people they like to just put acid on their salad dressings like some people like some people like to put just like a squirt of lemon and that’s their dressing and like that’s fine like that’s cool is it for me no absolutely not but like it’s cool like if you want to put soy sauce on your salad greens live your life i don’t care yeah i i don’t think you could reasonably call it a salad dressing if i like ordered a salad dressing at a restaurant there’s like here’s a packet of kimlon soy sauce i’d be like are you gonna apologize soy sauce i’ll add soy sauce to vinegar and i respect if people are just adding i mean honestly raw vegetables dipped in soy sauce is really good so sure but like is it a salad dressing is such a definitive philosophical quandary that i feel like i’d have to say no okay and wait a minute that’s a good name guacamole is just mexican mashed potatoes and sushi is japanese burritos um no guacamole i mean that word literally predates spanish and predates you know the introduction of mashed potatoes to anywhere not in latin america because potatoes are a new world crop as we all know that came from peru and so no guacamole is like a millennia old dish that comes from a native plant sushi is japanese burritos i think it’s funny they’re trying to define a mexican dish as something else but then they’re defining a japanese dish as a mexican dish this is all over the place um but no all over the place that said there are trucks that serve sushi burritos in la that are just giant uncut sushi rolls and it’s just sushi that’s very hard to eat but this is and wait a minute maybe you gotta wait a minute this is wild yeah i don’t know about all this it’s really confusing it’s making my brain go we don’t really care about it mullen cider my dad will have baby carrots yogurt a bowl of peanut butter honey and a coca-cola for lunch immediately after mowing the lawn um your dad is you know satiating his body after a long hard uh you know physical task man don’t don’t make him feel bad about enjoying food after sustenance like he just mowed your lawn say thank you and go move out of the way you know who this dad is this dad is a man who knows what he wants in life and he’s not afraid to get it he’s like for lunch i i know most a lot of people may eat a sandwich some people may eat a rice ball nah i want baby carrots yogurt a bowl of peanut butter and honey and a coca-cola and that’s his right that sounds like a lovely little mezza platter agreed all right at michaela underscore 7-eleven peanut butter on bread with spaghetti sorry so many peanut butter peanut butter on bread with spaghetti bolognese is fire spag bowl have you ever seen people that are from like england and they go and you like to eat about spec bowl and they’re like for the longest time what is spag bowl and then they were just eating pasta i’m like oh spaghetti bolognese well yeah it’s australian right spag bowl uh i don’t know but like i like to watch like dating shows that are like not from america and they go i make the best spank ball i don’t know where the accent’s from i’m assuming it’s like it’s like english because you know you can’t like i like to eat swagbull i can’t look up here like they’re from essex yeah no they’re from the from the shore whatever it’s called georgie shaw is that what it is oh yeah what is jordy i don’t know did you watch too hot to handle on netflix no but it’s on my freaking cube how have you not watched that yet it’s the best show that’s everything on my q it’s on my cue it’s so good peanut butter bread spaghetti bolognese yeah why not uh okay whatever whatever floats your bowl whatever floats your boat all right josh we’re done oh last one we’re done we did it can i go home now do you have to say your last words opinions are like casseroles everyone’s got one and it 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