[Music] medium rare a moist rosy bovine institution or a closed-minded example of beef brainwashing today we asked the question is medium rare the only way to cook steak this is a hot dog as a sandwich ketchup is a smoothie yeah i put ice in my cereal so what that makes no sense a hot dog is a sandwich a hot dog is a sandwich welcome to our podcast a hot dog is a sandwich the show where we break down the world’s biggest food debates i’m your host josh share and i’m your host nicole handy zada and today we are answering the question is medium rare the only way to cook a steak nicole what do you think i’ma say yes a resounding y e s what medium rare is not the only way to cook a steak there’s so many other ways to cook a steak even if you’re talking about like the very typical american steakhouse steak i would argue there are some steaks where taking it up to medium is actually much better but this is a very loaded question because steak is one of those foods can you hear me chewing yes you’re masticating quite uh intensely in my ear it’s not very pleasant are you is that chew is that a chunky peanut butter right here no no no that’s just my teeth are falling out and i’m crunching on my own teeth yeah i thought it was your molars for a sec a lot of people during quarantine have had a kind of like retail therapy thing is there any like expensive food item that you’ve been buying um yeah it’s uh nielsen massey vanilla paste it is um 28 for four ounces and it is the absolute most essential item in my pantry it is amazing i use it in place of um vanilla extract and it just makes the most beautiful desserts and like you can see the little flecks of a vanilla bean in there it’s really really wonderful yeah i’ve been what about you i’ve been buying fancy i’ve been running fancy nut butters oh and i look at you and i can’t see yeah no this is a cashew butter and red plum jam sandwich anyways back to steak steak is one of those foods that people put they steak they stake a lot of their identity on right like we’ve talked about that in the past how there’s the like i’m not like normal girls i like pizza and whiskey and then there’s the you know like cilantro is the worst thing in the world it belongs in the garbage how could you eat a trash herb and there are a lot of people especially dudes who have that with steak and a lot of those dudes believe that medium rare is the only way to cook a steak and i don’t believe that to be true but what’s what’s your reasoning behind medium rare being the only way to cook a steak like if i served you a medium steak you would just straight up say that like it’s wrong it shouldn’t be that way no it’s just again it’s a preference thing i think medium rare steak is the perfect temperature i think the qual no matter what cut of meat it is i think medium rare you know what even medium rare applies to like burgers too i like my burgers pink in the middle too i think it’s just the perfect amount of browning perfect amount of crust and then it has that wonderful melt in your mouth chewy texture that you can only really achieve with a medium-rare steak not to say that you can’t enjoy a well-done steak i enjoy well done steak when it’s done properly a hundred percent but my preference is if i go anywhere medium rare is the best and the way to eat a steak properly that’s what i’m saying you can have well done rare blue however you want it but the way i believe that meat should be eaten is that medium rare de gustavus non-esque disputandum nicole there is no what you call me oh god no i didn’t i didn’t i don’t know what it mean i think i put a curse on you in latin i think it might be like a voodoo thing oh nice um no there’s there’s no accounting for taste right i think you do have a point though in the sense that like uh there is a certain deferentialness we need to pay to experts right like if the you know person who invented steak is like this is the best way to eat steak and then you just come in there and be like well my personal preference is to completely disgrace this food then that’s not exactly like a matter of pure subjectiveness you know there is an objectivity to eat steak and there are way there are there is scientific evidence you know that medium rare is better than certain preparations due to the way that proteins denature when they’re fully cooked in red meat and all that but however the term steak is so broad and one it’s so very american in the way that we define it that i think you know if you get down to if you have vietnamese shaking beef right bald look like delicious dish like are you eating a steak or are you just eating steak and is there a difference between the two because the steak is like cubed up it’s typically fully cooked all the way through it is absolutely tender it’s deglazing fish sauce it’s totally delicious but like are you eating a steak dish are you eating a steak and what’s the difference between that you see what i’m saying that’s a that’s a really really interesting question because you know as a we like to dine out a lot um we’ve seen that people like to pre-cut their steaks which i absolutely hate like don’t do that for me but it’s still considered a steak even though it’s like pre-cut for me but i think what differentiates a steak and a steak dish is the addition of the fish sauce and the other things that you listed in there i think adding things to it no longer make it a steak but what if you go to a steakhouse and i mean that you get steak sauce on the side or you get borderlays or um what what’s the that’s still a steak yeah like it’s not mixed in there i mean i’ve been to plenty of places that put like a little a salsa veda you go to kispaka and you got a salsa verde on top of your steak you know what i mean but that said i know exactly what you mean but no i i it’s topped it’s not mixed in once you mix it in that’s when you it’s just a dish at that point so the meat this to be a steak it needs to be like fully cooked without any sort of condimentary things god that’s not a word without anything complimentary fundamentally it’s a nice word yeah i think i think that’s whenever it kind of shifts over to more of a steak dish but i still think that steak dish should be a medium rare are there so you’re saying that there is not a single steak that you would prefer to be cooked not medium rare yeah i think every single steak i’ve ever enjoyed more than than less is for sure a medium rare steak including like really thin sticks like like skirt steak and flat meat you’d go yeah i don’t think the intramuscular fat can break down enough inside of a skirt steak for it to be enjoyed at a true medium rare to me it like has to be a medium and i think that all this medium rare talk it’s from these like stay cardos who like to you know really put finite limits on things and say that there’s only one way to enjoy things i mean we recently published this uh how to cook steak video and he’s got so many comments from people who are just like i can’t believe you’d cook a steak on a pan the only way my dad ever said he’s proud of me is if i threw it on a grill and i was like jesus that’s so bleak like why would you limit yourselves to certain experiences i think there’s a lot of cultural reasons too for people to not eat rare beef and i grew up not eating rare red meat because apparently it’s not kosher you know yeah it’s not like no one in my house eats rare meat until i had my mom come over to the dark side i made her steak like three years ago and it was like perfectly medium rare with like some chunky big salt on it and she was a convert but like yeah my dad the stick has to be well done my sister’s sick she asks where it burned i’m not kidding she goes can you make sure it’s really really really really really really well done like just burn it like that’s a very very common thing people like their meat you know done well but again having that open mind and knowing and trusting that the person on the other side of the restaurant or the other person in the kitchen is doing their best and cooking the meat with so much respect and so much knowledge to give you the best piece of meat when it’s medium rare which is the typical you know standard meat cooking time i i think having it any other way is just it just doesn’t work for me you know and i’ve had listen filet mignon is like one of the most famous pieces of meat right persians like it well done like kabob well done well done well done if you have it medium rare it’ll change your life like just try it you know just change it’ll change the structure of how you eat i i do think you bring up a really interesting point about you know kind of trusting the experts it reminds me of this really awesome um essay written by helen rosner in the new yorker it was actually about how uh trump prefers his steaks well done and why that actually is ketchup with ketchup which i’m i am as much of a ketchup fan as literally anybody out there i scored it all over my eggs i’ll put it on mac and cheese i have literally toasted bread and dipped it in ketchup i would never think i would never think to dip especially a medium rare steak and ketchup that is bananas but the whole article is a1 sauce but josh a1 sauce is just ketchup with some molasses in it and worcestershire sauce but once you start going down that route it’s like well marinara is just ketchup with this anyways the whole article is about how why trump likes his steak well done actually matters because it shows that someone is not willing to differentiate their experiences and actually trust in in the expertise of someone who is doing a job and closing my enough so i do take that point very well i think my bigger takeaway is that we need to kill the idea of a stake we need to kill our idols we need to kill our gods you and i you and i have okay would you describe yourself as like a huge steak girl like a big steak fan uh yes the biggest i’m a red meat fanatic how many times have you been we’ve we’ve talked about this in private before but now we need to air out a dirty laundry how many times have you been like really wildly disappointed in a restaurant steak oh my gosh like out of okay when i think about like recent history when i go out and i get steak let’s just say it’s been five times out of those five times three of those times my steak has been cold it has been medium medium when i asked for it medium rare and just disappointing really disappointing right and but how much money did you spend on those steaks forty dollars like at least like that’s just how much a steak costs and apparently restaurants i always thought that steaks were so expensive because restaurants were jacking up the margins and whatnot turns out steaks actually have some of the lowest margins in restaurants it’s just a cow is really freaking hard to you know breed and it takes a long time for them to get to slaughter and beef is just really expensive i’m have been in the same boat it’s been so long since i’ve actually had like a very good restaurant steak that i wasn’t disappointed in and i remember when i signed my book deal i wanted to act like i was an adult and i was like i’m going to the fanciest restaurant and i’m getting the best steak and i like hit up all these food writers that i knew and i went to the arthur j in manhattan in naming him i don’t care and i dropped 120 before tax and tip on a bone-in tomahawk rib eye and it was over seared it was undercooked all in the name of trying to get it to a perfect medium rare it was just completely screwed and i dropped so much money on it it was such a disappointment but the only reason that i wanted a steak as like my celebratory meal is because that’s an idea that’s been like instilled in me since birth that like when you’re celebrating when it’s a special occasion you eat a giant hunk of beef and you cook it medium rare so i think i’m coming at this from a reactionary lens of saying like listen let’s kill that idea of medium rare steak being this like vaunted iconic dish listen every single time there was a big deal in my family it doesn’t matter if it was an engagement i gotta be on a math test um you know it was my birthday we would always go to lori’s have you ever been to laurie’s prime rib before i have i love i absolutely love it oh my gosh yeah prime rib is not a steak though but it’s me it’s me no no true but i agree with you but i agree with you in the terms of like a big hunk of meat equals a celebratory uh extravaganza but like whenever it doesn’t meet your expectations it sucks but that doesn’t change the fact that when you eat a true medium rare steak it is a very very very special delicious uh experience don’t you agree i do agree with you and i’m actually agreeing with you a lot more than i thought i would right now because i mean in my mind we’re talking about you know there’s so many beef dishes um throughout the world hold on what’s what’s this text coming in ryan what’s a pittsburgh style steak let’s read what a pittsburgh styles pittsburgh has a style of steak steak is heated to a very high temperature very quickly so it is charred on the outside but still rare or raw on the inside one story says that a local slaughterhouse during the depression was looking to make extra money and open a restaurant in the front how’s my how’s my announcer voice going good great uh wealthy socialites could choose their cut of meat on a live cow and wait while it was slaughtered the steak would then be seared to kill bacteria and served at the at the cow’s body temperature thus creating pittsburgh rare what what jesus christ this just makes me uncomfortable it’s quite morbid uh what is that that i don’t like that delete from my memory delete yo let’s just pivot to being a vegan channel why not let’s just oh yeah blue there you go a blue steak i’ve i have a friend that literally she eats her meat blue like she’s like slap it on the grill for 13 seconds and then move it over the funny thing is i don’t like that i like i love beef tartar i love raw steak preparations like i love carpaccio i love tartare i love yukoi is the the korean version of it like it’s some of my favorite food out there i’m not saying like i prefer well done steak at all i’m just saying like you need to to devalue what society has lifted the medium rare american steak to to enjoy the full spectrum of world steak dishes out there like you know like go get like go drink and like eat thai style beef jerky that’s essentially steak cooked to well done you know like get it out of your head that medium rare steak is the most important thing but josh have you seen the memes have you seen the meat memes with the fork holding up the different levels of meat and they’re like rare you’re good medium rare king medium medium done uh do i need to call your parents well done get out of my kitchen have you seen them yes and i think that’s the reason that i’m arguing so hard against this is because i hate when people you know uh elevate this stuff to have some sort of moral value to it you know no i listen liking a meat temperature should not be a personality trait at all i’m not i’m not saying that it should be i’m just saying if you eat a piece of meat that is medium rare and if you eat a piece of meat that is medium your mouth might enjoy the medium-rare one more because of the actual science behind it that’s what i’m seeing this raises a much bigger question though about like what is objective in food and what is subjective because the science doesn’t already the science doesn’t always cover this and we talked about it earlier like the reason people like bitter flavors right like science doesn’t justify why we should enjoy that unless you you know consider these cultural reasons that like bitter makes sour taste tastes more sour that’s why you drink negronis before etc and so like past the scientific explanation of you know a medium rare steak tasting uh objectively better like every culture it’s such a subjective taste so like would you say that like a vietnamese shaking beef would be better cooked to medium rare rather than you know like a well done or a medium well would you say that like every international steak dish would taste better if cooked medium rare does shaking beef have the fish sauce and the other stuff tossed in it i believe after the fact that it’s cooked hmm well that’s a great question you know i would have to try it because when you say like medium rare is the only way to cook steak when i’ve had other foods that are that are steak quote unquote that have been cooked to medium rare when they’re used to being well done allah kabob great example it definitely changed it for me and made me enjoy it more okay you can get it well done you can get it any way you want but the the medium rare preparation of it is the most enjoyable for me yes what about carne asada you love street tacos i like street tacos right but i i actually really dislike the taste of medium rare steak inside a tortilla in a taco like to me that even even you take a skirt steak a flat meat whatever and you grill it to medium rare and you throw in a tortilla i would much rather have like a steak that is cubed and diced up and crisped up in its own fat and then tossed in lime so you get those little crispy bits that’s undoubtedly a steak right why are street tacos my kryptonite why do you always have to hit me with the street taco logic street tacos just like take every single like statement i have and just flip it on it’s on its backside but yeah i do i do like my carne asada crispity crunchity gristly and delicious the way that it is prepared right and that’s but you know that’s an anon but you know what that’s an anomaly that’s one dish out of hundreds that i’ve had that i like well done but one cannot give me the response for all the others i i think i might agree with you in the sense that when we say a steak we are very specifically referring to a fully cooked whole muscle cut right yes exactly yeah so i think i do agree with you that medium rare is the best way to cook a steak in the sense that the term a steak is an incredibly limiting term that i hate that we should like completely do away with and like absolutely tear down your idols because i enjoy so many other like steak dishes that do not involve a steak i will never forget when i was a kid i would get like a six dollar allowance when i was 11 years old and every week i would take that right i would ride my bicycle home from school not in two hours after eating lunch at school and i would get a steak chalupa from taco bell and the first time i had it i was like steak is fancy this is adult food i’m so excited and i ate the steak chalupa and i was like this is so much worse than beef and i didn’t understand the difference like between what steak and beef was and i’ve had people um who are not american who have like asked me like what’s the difference between beef and steak i was like well steak refers to like eight random parts of the cow and different interconnected muscle groups that we decided were more important than the other ones so we gave it a new name and devoted entire chains of restaurants to it expand past steak eat some oxtail eat some beef shank i i had a braised beef shin and that was delicious sounds delicious of course i think but braised beef shin isn’t steak and if i had a braised beef shin medium what rare i’d be like what are you doing man i need that muscle tissue all broken up and delicious and well done yo have you ever braised a rib eye no but i do have a frozen ribeye hold on should i think about the way that a rib eye looks compared okay so if we’re talking about braising cuts of beef versus steaks most people would think that you know steaks are leaner so you’re not chewing through a bunch of raw fat when you cook them rare braising meats are tougher and filled with a lot of fat and connective tissue and all that but think about a ribeye right a ribeye has crazy crazy marbling and a lot of that fat doesn’t break down i’ve had a lot of ribeyes where 30 of it is fully inedible fat i have braised meat heartos are gonna get mad at this i’ve taken a rib eye and just braised it because it kind of looked like crap it was a rib eye steak and it was absolutely delicious i like braised it and like turned it into like a barbacoa situation and put it in tacos i mean that was still a steak that i cooked to fully well done and passed that until it broke down all the muscle tissue and connective tissue and all that it was freaking delicious yeah but you altered it you made a barbacoa out of it what is in barbacoa you took you made the steak into a steak dish therefore it no longer was medium rare you took it and you changed it and you flipped it i feel like i nicole i think you are right in that a steak is an incredibly limiting term that takes a lot of dishes from other cultures that are very delicious off the table and i agree with you that uh the term steak should be completely done away with and absolutely destroyed yeah no no nicole i agree with you on all these things but i also agree with you that medium rare is probably the best way to cook the very myopic version of steak as we see it in america yes i am in full agreeance with my original point and thank you for coming over to my side because it is the correct side and i love when you agree with me man i do agree truly i do maybe it’s just i don’t cook steak a lot in my own home it’s like it’s not a food that i crave very often i need to eat meat three times a week or else i feel sick but i’m not anemic or anything i just eat meat all the time so i know i know mistakes i do too it’s a problem i have to take um psyllium husk pills to do you really take doesn’t that help you poop yeah i take psyllium husk pills every night and then um i also drink a green smoothie in the morning just to offset the amount of me to eat but i’m mostly eating you know chicken and fish and stuff like that hey josh i have a question for you what’s that after cooking should you let it rest so i think i think one of the problems i think one of the reasons that we get so many crappy steaks in restaurants is that people especially in the meat world take everything to the extreme because it’s one of those identity foods right so people are like yeah you got a sear a steak super hot so then they’re like all right let me get my pan up to 9000 degrees and just burn the hell out of it oh char is good char is flavor great here’s a burnt ass steak medium rare is the best here’s a raw ass steak lettuce steak rest so the juices can solidify in it great i’ma let it sit on a counter for 15 minutes and i think it’s all these rules like medium rare is the best way to eat steak that hold people back from actually making a good steak you know it’s like it’s like a a well-intentioned rule in sports that makes the game worse and allows james harden to score 37 points a game that’s how i feel about it is james harden the one with the beard yeah long beard boy yeah he’s a little beard boy one great boy he has a whole like candy line from heart or from from trolley i believe where he can eat his beard what yeah that’s great good for him i’m glad i’m glad he got that uh that deal that trolley deal probably really really helps um but yeah one time i had a steak like and i was at a really really fancy steakhouse like the fanciest and i ate my meat i’m like why is it cold i was like really upset i was like confused i’m like i’m spending like like you had your experience at um arthur j i was like why is my meat cold and i was like inside inside i was like i’m supposed to eat it this way it’s supposed to be room temperature nicole it’s okay you don’t need to send it back you’re at a fancy place but like that that [ __ ] was cold i was upset but i still ate it but i think it’s i literally do believe this that it’s rules like saying medium rare is the best way to cook steak that holds you back from enjoyment right and this is all a metaphor for how toxic masculinity holds men back from thinking that pleasure is good and the reason i drink black coffee every morning because someone when i was nine years old nine years old said that that’s what men did i think that’s the same way with steak like you trick yourself you literally say like no no you’re supposed to eat steak at room temperature because that way all the juices are inside it and it rests and all that and i’ve been through that exact same process and i’m like no this sucks just give me a hot steak out of a damn frying pan with plenty of salt it’s delicious yeah just make sure it’s medium rare and i’m fine i think once you elevate a food to the status of godliness you make it untouchable in a certain way that decreases its enjoyment around the world same as pizza like we talked about the pineapple on pizza pineapple and pizza it’s very enjoyable and i know i came on the side that i don’t think it belongs on pizza because i don’t like pissed off italian dudes hitting me over the head going idiot idiot loaf right but i think once you elevate a status of food to this like untouchable nature i think you’re doing a disservice to your own pleasure however when it comes down to it and i think in my heart of hearts like could the steak be any better cooked anything other than medium rare in the sense that we’re talking about in american versions take blah blah i think you’re you are right and i fully capitulate to that thank you means a lot xoxo but people out there diversify up your beef eating experiences find off cuts that you normally wouldn’t cook some dang short ribs out there oh yeah a lot of people think that if you cut a cow in half you just see like oh there’s his t-bone and there’s his sirloin there’s all these things but like those cuts don’t really exist in nature and i remember my roommate at the time i was shopping at vallarta supermarkets and i was like this place is the best you gotta go there like all their meat is fantastic huge butcher section he goes and he comes back and he goes i hated that place and i was like how could you and he was like well they didn’t have steak and i was like what are you talking about they have like 30 different cuts of meat and he goes yeah but none of those are steak and i was like they’re all they’re like all steak and he was like no there’s no t-bone there was no porterhouse there’s no whatever and i was like no that’s you just don’t understand what you know those are only american canonical steaks there’s an entire world of beef out there that you’ve limited yourself to because you grew up with a certain idea of what steak is you know but oh my god they’re oh vallarta’s meat section mwah shout out to the art to change the supermarket sponsor this podcast i love iota supermarkets love you guys so in summation yeah you’re right thank you i know you ain’t gotta tell me twice all right nicole you’ve heard what you and i have to say now it’s time to find out what other wacky ideas are rattling out there in the twitter verse it’s time for a segment we call on three one opinion opinions are uh one okay on three uh one two opinions are like opinions are like on me opinions are like casseroles we nailed it first up we got at ouija board strawberries and other fruits with lots of seed like raspberries are the worst fruit since the seeds make them taste and feel gritty especially when used in drinks i don’t want to chew my drinks i i agree with it i do not like blackberries and passionfruit and kiwi and pomegranate for that reason i love the flavor of literally all those fruits they’re some of my favorite flavored fruits and i hate that i can’t enjoy them because passionfruit seeds feel like i’m crunching through light bulb glass and it’s just i know it’s it’s upsetting to me nicole more than you so i agree but i’m shameful i’m shameful about so upset i’m literally drinking a a drink with sliced strawberries where i’m pounding them down so i can get the seeds in my mouth it’s an enjoyable flavor differentiation okay i like it sorry ouija board i disagree dude foods says i like mixing mayonnaise with marinara sauce when i make a meatball sub sandwich i call it meow nora that’s hilarious and a really good idea i would do that too that sounds perfect yeah shout out to nick from dude foods he’s like one of the og uh food bloggers does a lot of similar stuff uh to what i do and mixing mayo with marinara sauce is right up my alley right up his alley what an alley to be up because that sounds incredible my only question though is like at what temperature do you serve this thing hot hot hot mayo hot mayonnaise okay i i want to do another one by dude foods because this is an opinion that i enjoy five guys has the worst fries ever i have zero idea how anyone can like them they’re soggy and taste like garbage oh but they give you an entire bag of them people always say who cares a giant pile of garbage is still garbage i wouldn’t i i wouldn’t go so far to say the garbage i don’t personally enjoy fab guys fries they always end up on like the list of best fries uh and you know they cook them fresh in the store they even double fry them but to me they are always grease laden always soggy always over salted and it’s not my thing i people crap on in-n-out’s fries all the time and i’m over here just like yo look at five guys though i would uh i would rather eat the bag that the five guys fries come in honestly i do not enjoy them they’re like mashed potatoes i don’t like it i really am not a fan of them uh wingstop fries too wingstop fries kill me they’re they would be pretty good i mean they’re kind of five guys in the sense they’re like thick and soggy which is fine uh but wingstop puts this spice blend there’s a bunch of savory spices and then just like straight up white sugar and it like kills me i can’t stand the sugar on it but i do thank you god i love wingstop though i don’t think i’ve ever had wingstop before wingstop okay man man i want some wings now i’m in love with my cartoon says cheese should never be put on tacos because it’s not authentic boo this person being dramatic uh have you ever had a molita or a vampirio like get on my face yeah the notion of authenticity i think they’re probably referring to like taco bell tacos and shredded yellow cheese but even then and you look at tito’s tacos uh that you know dates back to like the 50s i believe i mean i love tito’s tacos something may start as quote unquote not authentic to you and that becomes authentic real fast i mean like remember that like half the crops that are like tomatoes did not exist in italy until like the 1600s you know and now it’s like the biggest part of their food so yeah no cheese put cheese on your tacos it’s good even put shredded yellow cheese on tacos it’s good and it’s a part of a very important cultural piece of history and it’s just good man yeah man all right at just underscore joya this sounds basic as hell but i do not like tomato slices on my sandwich or burger i feel it doesn’t add anything but sogginess is this link is this low-key link yo linkster writing like started a finsta just to get shouted out i know isn’t that so weird i think tomatoes add i understand the argument for lettuce a little bit like i love lettuce in my sandwiches and on my burgers but i would understand the argument for people who are like it’s just crunchy water it’s like yeah not aggressive taste you’re probably just eating bad tomatoes because tomatoes are very very flavorful especially when you drop a little bit of flaky salt on those tomatoes right before you put in the sandwich yeah one of my favorite sandwiches is just thick white bread my nickname in high school uh mayonnaise and tomatoes it’s fantastic yeah um i was gonna say if you salt your tomatoes that can definitely give you a more of a flavor punch and it helps with the texture too so try that and then come back to us let’s see um catherine underscore lane uh boxed mac and cheese has always been and will always be superior to homemade mac and cheese um you know definitely the box mac and cheese uh definitely scratches the itch if you know what i mean but homemade mac and cheese is dink so uh yeah i disagree with you they’re like two different things you know what i mean it’s like uh instant ramen versus like a bowl of tonkotsu ramen right like instant ramen is still great for what it is and like i get cravings especially for shin ramya and black just to slurp it out but it’s like not comparable at all to a bowl of legit shio or miso ramen um but both are still delicious like box mac and cheese it’s like chemically and violently orange and completely delicious and craveable but yeah no no no real comparison on that yeah at matrixque just a combination of letters chick-fil-a is not good yeah you’re right uh chick-fil-a’s good their uh politics aren’t politics are garbage uh they’re chicken to me it just doesn’t even taste good like politics aside their chicken i would much rather have a chicken sandwich from i mean one now popeyes um but like mcdonald’s even i think does a better job i’ve never had a good chick-fil-a chicken sandwich no it’s a good it’s a good chicken sandwich they’re just bad don’t start i’m not gonna stop okay um uh i don’t know how to say this name riley jenkins uh cereal is better dry um i disagree but that’s because i like geriatric old people’s cereal like grape nuts so if i grape nuts like by the handful i would probably choke and die so i need that milk but like yeah lucky charms take a handful and shove it in your mouth sure i don’t think it’s better she needs some milk okay here hear me out though what if cereal was shaped and sized like chips so imagine instead of a dorito it was a giant cinnamon toast crunch and you could eat them out of the bag by the hand like a weetabix have you ever had a weetabix yeah freaking love weed is the plural of weetabix weedabusies i think it’s just weedabix like moose one moose two moose or lasagna hey nicole if you stack what no don’t so i don’t cereal i don’t like eating i don’t like having to shove handfuls of snacks in my face i don’t think is that true i like shoving handfuls of peanuts in my face all i see you do is take handfuls of whatever it is if it’s spaghetti bolognese if it’s freaking doritos you’re just chomping them in there like it’s your job you don’t do the individual chip in your mouth you go like oh you’re like that’s what you do you are correct but i do like having the option and this is important the option of eating a single chip and being somewhat satisfied i choose to shove them in my mouth if you eat a single cheerio it does not satisfy the same way as a single dorito i would like a world in which i could have better dry cereal options that were large in the shape of chips all i’m saying okay at i make coffees pizza rolls are vastly superior to pizza bagels fight me i don’t want to fight i will fight you yeah i agree i think pizza bagels are vastly superior to pizza rolls yes i think one million percent i think my reason is that i need the cheese sauce and pepperoni to interact with the top of my palate i think that’s the actual reason to me there’s something satisfying about feeling that against the roof of your mouth and not having it fully encased it’s why i prefer pizza to calzones that’s a really interesting take i never thought of it that way like that barrier of the additional like dough getting in the way of the true like pizza eating experience that’s a really thoughtful point josh i was like i like pizza bagels because they’re delicious but you got really deep with it and that’s a really good point and i agree with you wholeheartedly e how do i say this each cheaty sucks yeah probably ichiri sucks ranch is disgusting no you’re disgusting next i was literally gonna say the same thing oh my gosh you’re not disgusting you’re a valid person but no you’re disgusting all right red divider carrots with peanut butter been a go-to snack for me since i was a kid and it’s arguably more enjoyable than an apple with peanut butter huh i’ve never had it i don’t wanna why have i never had a carrot with peanut butter um because you probably think carrots are better with ranch which is not disgusting um i don’t know i think apples and peanut butter is better than carrots and peppers i’ve done that before too but i don’t know i i’m i’m gonna try it i don’t know why i haven’t because i love the like carrots are earthy peanut butter is pretty earthy i feel like that would go really well together both are like somewhat sweet i’m into the idea okay um coal is great says turkey bacon only gets a bad rep because they put bacon in its title it isn’t bacon and it isn’t nearly as good as real bacon but no one can look past the name and to see how good it actually tastes if you drop the preconceived bacon biases rebrand them as crispy turkey strips and people would stop hating it um you have a good point but also turkey bacon is is like i at most i’d rather just eat turkey sausage nicole you’re feeding into the problem you’re totally feeding the problem turkey baking is freaking delicious and and i think you can almost eat it in like bigger quantities because there’s less fat on it so to me like you get all that like cured meat smoked flavor that you would from bacon but you get like a bagel meaty bite of it without all the grease i actually really love turkey bacon uh sometimes i’ll just make like a giant turkey bacon blt and be very satisfied with it i’m all about turkey also growing up you know in a jewish household uh turkey bacon was a big part of my childhood really you didn’t eat bacon in your house uh when i was like 10 and moved in with my dad yeah but when i like lived with my grandma uh we didn’t she just had so much turkey bacon we would eat it online i didn’t know that about you we had similar childhoods in that in that aspect i also didn’t eat bad stuff and i didn’t eat my first taste of like uh like bad meats naughty meats was when i was 14 my mom went out of town and then my dad’s like hey you want to go to an italian restaurant and i’m like yeah and then we got prosciutto and melon when i was 14 and he totally changed my life forever that’s so funny thanks dad um we got one more josh so take it away all right underscore jtv squeeze lemon on mac and cheese lemon makes everything taste better i never tried this but i do like citrus and cheese together and i do think that most people should start adding lemon juice to a lot more of their foods including steak the thought of putting kraft macaroni and cheese with a squirt of lemon juice is absolutely vile to me like that sounds like vomit but um maybe white cheese could work like a very very like light white mascarpone situation give me the lemon on the cheddar you shove it 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