Debby Ryan Eats Her Last Meal

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I'm Debbie Ryan and this is my last
meal.
>> Every person has exactly two things in
common. We all got to eat and we're all
going to die. Today's guest is an actor,
producer, and director who you might
recognize from Jesse Spin Me Around and
Turtles All the Way Down. Her newest
movie, The Sun Never Sets, is out in
theaters now. And she's got a sci-fi
thriller called Orion coming out this
fall. And today she makes history as the
first ever Last Meals guest to appear in
a feature film directed by Lint Biscuit
frontman Fred Durst.
>> I'm so glad it came up in your research.
>> Debbie Ryan, welcome to the show.
>> Hi Josh. Thanks.
>> Do you remember anything about him?
2008's The Long Shots. I was genuinely
shocked to find out that that was
directed by Fred Durst.
>> By Fred Durst starring Ice Cube and Kiki
Palmer. I auditioned for like the Mean
Girl and I booked the role of Popular
Girl. So at the time
>> and those were different characters in
Fred Durst. I'm so sorry.
>> Yeah, of course. Fred actually I think
split the character now I'm remembering
into like having a lackey Khloe Bridg's
character into like having me behind her
being like yeah so that I could like
have a role.
>> Well, I don't think that's how Fred
Durst would have envisioned the line of
Yeah. It would have been more like I
can't do a Fred Dur impression.
>> I can't do it.
>> But do you know that
I can't do it? That's crazy.
>> Come on.
>> Okay. Okay. Okay. We'll run it all the
way. He's a bit
>> I know. I thought about it.
>> Follow through.
>> That's not what Fred Durst would have
said. Yeah. He would have said,
>> "Yeah,
>> that's it." It actually really brought
me back to the set of The Long Shots
starring Cube and Kiki Palmer
>> that you were in with
>> that I was in that I had like one line
in. It was Yeah, it was amazing. And I
do remember he was lovely. Um he like
believed in me. Not a lot of people did.
I was like living in Texas and I drove
all the way to Louisiana, borrowed my
friend's cheerleading uniform for the
audition and I booked it and I was so
excited and got to just hang around with
the like real actors for a long time and
and after weeks of playing Popular Girl
on this movie. Um, one of the producers
came up to him and they said, "Hey, oh,
it's funny that you're here. We need a
character name for Popular Girl. Um, cuz
we're about to start working on the
credits. Do you have like a name?" And
he just took a long look at me and he
said, "Edith." So that is how I'm
credited. I'm really an Edith. At least
in the mind of like a 2007 Fred Durst.
I'm Edith.
>> Thank you so much for being on the show.
I really appreciate how much thought you
put in your last meal. We'll get to that
later, but is this something you had
thought about before?
>> You know, you say it,
>> wow, I would want this for my last meal
if you're having like a really good
meal.
>> And also, it's sort of like a nice
icebreaker. And I remember being at like
a fashion event at the Sunset Tower and
like all of these really cool people and
you're seated with people you don't know
or you only know in context like that.
And I
>> always forget that you're not supposed
to have like real conversation. You
know, you know, you're supposed to be
like, "Thank you. Well, the shoe is
actually from and then the hair is from
like you're not supposed to I was just
like, "So, what would everyone's last
meal be?" Like, you're on death row.
First of all, what are you there for?
Second of all, and I don't it didn't go
over well, which I do think invoking
capital punishment at like a casual like
maybe not like the move. So,
>> what were you on death row for?
>> Such a good question. Well, I'll tell
you about my shoes.
>> How comfortable are you talking about
death?
>> I It's just sort of everpresent. It's
just sort of the like
>> dog laying under the table sort of like
licking at your ankles like waiting to
sort of take a bite or just like go to
town whenever like the time is right.
And I guess it's the most horrifying
metaphor for death I have ever heard.
And you said it with such a smile.
That's crazy. My ankle started I started
to feel it down there.
>> Death is waiting. It's ever present. Um
yeah. No, I I think about it often.
Maybe not as a kid. I think I had a lot
of fear of like home invasion and stuff
like that as a kid. the classics. You
see kids who kicked out the tail lights
on Oprah cuz they were taken.
>> I don't know. We're like the same.
>> TV really messed us up back then. I
watched a lot of those shows.
>> When I turned 20, my mom got stage four
cancer
>> and she battled that really hard and she
is cancer-free, which is amazing. But I
think just this like mortality and then
every few years since I was 20, someone
else I love has dropped dead suddenly.
>> And so I think that it kind of goes like
don't rest. Are you healing from that
grief? Oh, wow. Okay. So, now you're not
thinking about it every second. Ah,
gotcha.
>> The dog metaphor makes a tremendous
amount of sense now, especially for what
you've been through in your life.
>> Yeah. I mean, I think but it's also the
older you get, the more people you
encounter, the more people you lose. I
did just um have a child and I think the
weight of like reaching through the veil
and pulling like a brand new life into
existence. I think that put a different
weight on like a life for me in a way
that's like kind of um maybe
counterbalancing it. I don't know.
>> Yeah. I can't wait to get into it over
some lasagna. 19 more things. Debbie, we
don't have to wait anymore. Let's get to
eating. Debbie, for the first course,
and I mean just the first course of your
final meal on earth, we have the buffalo
chicken dip. Check the texture. We have
the tomato sandwich on shokup pan. We
have your grandmother's lasagna
with an extra side car of sauce. We have
classic German curry worst. And then we
have, of course, the thin hint of lime
tortilla chips with extra watery salsa.
And boy, if you thought that salsa was
watery, Debbie, look at this ranch. Look
at how that flows. You can drink it with
a straw. Oh, and a tall glass of molted
Ovaltine. In the chef special, we put a
tiny pinch of salt in it.
>> Love.
>> I know. It's really nice.
>> I think it's really important to let you
guys know that I don't really live in
town and I was coming to town. It was
last minute. So, I just sent a list of a
whole bunch of options.
>> And in the communication, I don't think
it was shared that these were all
options and they were to men to pick two
things.
>> And unfortunately, they've cooked all
around the world. Thank you. And I'm so
sorry.
>> Um, no. No, no. Truly like, so what
happened was you you did say, "Please
only pick the easiest things." And we
said, "Absolutely not. We're not going
to do that. We want to pick some really
incredible things that I think tell the
story of your life." And so when you
said your grandmother is putting
pepperoni and meatballs in her lasagna,
and then you would always eat it with a
side car of the marinara sauce
>> in a gravy boat,
>> I thought that was really beautiful. So,
I hope this can all tell the story of
your life. Debbie, where do we begin?
You seem overwhelmed right now.
>> Well, yeah. This is really like you need
like a passport for this. My grandma
makes this for like very special
occasions. It's a grief lasagna. It's a
celebration lasagna. It's like a welcome
to the family lasagna. You should be so
lucky as to have this from Pat herself.
But never once has the recipe ever been
written down.
>> Please dig in. You said this is a grief
lasagna. Yeah.
>> Do you remember one time in your life
when you like actually had this lasagna
at a funeral? Cuz funeral to me is
fascinating. Like after my grandpa's
funeral and memorial, we all had the
lasagna, which is funny because it's
also like a Christmas lasagna. But I
think that maybe if you zoom out and you
just look for patterns, it's just a
lasagna of togetherness, which and isn't
that lasagna? Like as a recipe, I'm
saying lasagna is just
>> big ass thing feeds a lot of people.
Everyone communes around it.
>> If you were an ingredient in the
lasagna, which one would you be?
>> Definitely the frozen meatballs.
>> I don't like her saying frozen. Well, do
you want me to like sing it like in like
in like the hidden movie?
>> No. Just put a little respect on it.
>> The frozen frozen meatball. I don't
know. It's tough. I feel like I'm saying
it nonjudgmentally.
Just the meatballs. The homemade
meatballs from your grand I found out my
grandma's her signature dish.
>> Her tuna dip. This is really good. Her
tuna dip. The secret ingredient was just
a packet of gelatin.
>> And I'm like, Granny, that's horrifying.
>> They were going crazy. They were doing
unheard of things with gelatin. Yeah.
Cream of mushroom soup, gelatin, tuna.
That's almost the only ingredients in
it.
>> Banger.
>> Yeah. Abs. RIP Granny. I love you.
>> Do you know the RIP Granny? She RP my
granny. She got hit by a bazooka song.
>> I'm so sorry. A couple of those words
got solved. What was that?
>> Rest in peace my granny. She got hit by
a bazooka.
Man, I think about her every time I hit
the hookah.
Kaboom. Kablam. Kaboom. I was in my
room.
>> I'm sorry. Wait. Do you
>> Does anyone have the internet? going.
>> Are you just putting out on the
internet? Do you ever consume internet?
>> No, I I've legitimately deleted all
social media from my phone. Um, when we
were DMing, I was uh on desktop.
>> Mhm.
>> I was on a laptop.
>> So, if you noticed I was send one DM a
day. That's when I check it like emails.
>> Actually, lol.
>> Actually, yes, you can do emojis on
desktop. Everyone, take care of your
mental health. Speaking of mental
health, I I did describe to you your
last meals list as panicked. And you
seem to agree that that was maybe uh the
correct adjective.
>> I didn't agree. I think you just
continued to push that agenda. What I
actually said was panicked. That's
interesting that that came through. You
said it was the parenthesis.
>> Yeah. A lot of parentheses and a lot of
question marks of like So this wasn't
like curry worse. This was like curry
worse. Question mark question mark. And
then like maybe just the curry ketchup
could take care of the German part of
me.
>> Do the heavy lifting.
>> Do the heavy lifting.
>> But you know what I'll say? This guy go
>> wrote the most parenthetical cookbook
I've ever seen.
>> Absolutely. I think where that comes
from is mental illness. Um, and I'll
I'll explain you why. I truly She's like
my best friend. No, I I think there is
some sort of whether it's ADHD or or
whatever. It's
>> Did you have a moment?
>> Go ahead. Oh, the chocolate milk.
>> This is what's up. You ever have a scene
like this? You ever get like malt?
>> I used to drink um chocolate malt. This
is where I stay in the club. I'm kind of
just here.
>> You're nailing it.
>> Yeah. Thank you so much. Blood own
broken. I'm like, "What the what's that
guy up to?" Oh, he has headphones in.
He's listening to something different.
Actually, it's a podcast.
>> Is that Laura Shore? Um, for real
though, your last meal, the entire list,
I think, was maybe a microcosm of your
entire brain. It was something that was
so tremendously passionate and like its
use of vividness and metaphors. If I can
pay attention to Thank you so much to
the uh buffalo chicken dip right here.
Um, something that should be smooth and
thick. so thick that you have to eat it
with a spork, but not a wooden or
plastic spork, but a metal spork here.
That's insane. I love that so much.
>> Tell me when.
>> That's absolutely it. To be able to
create that amount of vivid fiction in
your head about Buffalo chicken dip.
>> First of all, not fiction. We're looking
at it. So, there's not three days of my
life that go by without me eating
chicken dip like this.
>> No
>> No chips, nothing to dip in it. Just we
eat buffalo chicken dip.
>> This is a chicken melt salad.
>> This is great. A real Midwesterner made
it.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Ash from Indiana. We had Ash make
the buffalo chicken dip.
>> Are you saying ass?
>> Sorry. Ash, entirely separate person
made the buffalo chicken. Ash
Indianapolis.
>> We got to get on to the sugar pond. This
has been staring me in the face. This
wonderful tomato sandwich.
>> What do you think about this?
>> Only the inside of the bread toasted.
Such a pro move because when you toast
the inside.
>> Tell them. Let them know.
>> What are we doing? I totally forgot that
you did that.
>> And you were right to do that. I want
you to know that this is your last meal
when you're here. family.
>> Thank you.
>> Um, when you toast the inside of the
bread, you're dehydrating it a little
bit and so you're effectively losing
water that can then be replaced by
mayonnaise and tomato juice.
>> That's right.
>> But then you still get the fluffiness on
the outside of the bread, which is what
you're going to want. These are Vivvia
Farms tomatoes straight from the farmers
market.
>> Oh my god.
>> It's one of the best things in the
world.
>> This ratio.
>> Mhm.
>> Show that ratio.
>> God damn salt.
>> Tomato with like a whisper of bread.
What's great about this, it's August
right now. When you walk out in Texas
and you like burn your feet on the
cement and that's like the kind of heat
that the tomatoes have been taking in
all summer. They're so sweet and they're
so juicy. The best way to just go
straight in diuge
tomatoes and you could sort of eat it
like an apple or whatever, but so drippy
and sweet that this is like the mouth.
It just gets like better towards the
end.
>> The way you describe food is very very
tactile.
>> Oh yeah.
>> In a way that I really love it. It
borders on a level of I wouldn't even
call it obsession. I'd call it
fetishization.
>> Okay.
>> It really is. No, no. I mean that.
>> What's your reaction to that?
>> I think that eating is like and food is
like one of the only experiences that
uses all of the senses,
>> you know? It's like every single like
everything you're seeing, the way that
you're feeling, the way that sort of is
moving. You hear a sort of like crunch
or a chew or a bend. You like smell it
obviously and you're taking so much in
through that. And then there's like a
touch of the sort of like getting into
it. And so I think it is one of the
places where you're kind of like firing
on all cylinders. Um but I don't know if
you've ever met anyone with migraines,
but we'll bring up that we have
migraines. Um and by the way, we're all
way too casual about it because it's
hellish. But
>> it sounds like it.
>> I'm a migraine warrior and quite often
the world is really loud. It's really
too bright. It's too
>> there's a lot going on. Specifically, I
would say after the fifth concussion,
the brain injuries make things
significantly worse. And but you didn't
encounter that in your research.
>> Five concussions,
>> girl,
>> from the long shots, the movie about
football.
>> I had like a pretty crazy lifealtering
brain injury a few years ago and I was
like out of commission for like 6 months
and I went to this neurological rehab
for like 6 months. Went did this like
fringe science treatment that was like
really sci-fi and crazy and I've done it
a couple times and it kind of got me
back online. But there are some things
that just did not come back. The the
brain injury that I had was not a blood.
The first four, that wasn't a joke,
unfortunately. Those ones were like an
incident. Um the fifth one was sustained
shaking over um like a minute of time.
They're sort of pre-inccident Debbie and
post incident Debbie, which maybe is how
I should have organized my meals. The
brain of it all is that quite often I
can just see better or think better with
my eyes closed. like the visual data
>> that I'm taking in can be so distracting
and so loud
>> and I then with the migraines which were
significantly worsened by that it sort
of is too much and so I do find that
like if there's a thing that can like
make things really singular I like that
>> that's fascinating I I um brain injuries
sound so tremendously scary and I've
I've met a couple people that have had
them had some friends that had them and
I feel like it isn't something that's
talked about a lot but what an
existential fear that you have that you
could do something that would
um invisible to a lot of other people
but felt very deeply by you
>> and I feel really fortunate that I had
have an amazing team of people around me
who sort of reminded me who I am and was
and also held a lot of space for that to
change potentially permanently and love
me through that and I just I couldn't
imagine doing it with and also I
couldn't imagine being on the other side
of it going like wow I guess that looks
like my wife and she's talking like my
wife and then suddenly behavior is
completely different and this doesn't
fit the pattern.
>> There's no good segue. But you want to
eat some curry worst.
>> One of my favorite things about the show
is when you choose to employ a segue.
>> That's so good. Curry ketchup, dude.
>> Curry ketchup. A very German thing.
>> Okay. I'm not one of those people who's
like, "Ketup should go on everything."
I'm actually pretty late to ketchup.
>> I'm into it and I agree with what you've
said on past episodes about how it sort
of has the perfect flavor profile and
whatever.
>> Debbie, Debbie, you flatter me.
>> It's not the desire. I'm just very truth
oriented and you said something true.
That's all. Curry ketchup I actually do
think could go on everything.
>> Do you feel like you have a good
baseline of who Debbie is as far as like
a self that you would recognize as
yourself and a self you wouldn't
recognize?
>> There were times that I sort of was like
so I moved to Germany
when I was seven. I went to German
public school and my mom was a teacher
before we went there and um she would
also write and and put on and direct the
plays. So, I kind of grew up around
that, but I was always like hiding
behind her skirt, sort of really shy as
the as the sort of lore goes. Um, I
mean, I'm doing this.
>> Yeah. Eat the chips. This is your last
meal.
>> Thank you.
>> Eat the running rant.
>> I'm going to put that there.
>> There was a theater on base and I
discovered
theater and it was like the first time
like like doing it. It was the first
time that I was sort of out of my shell
and I felt comfortable. And I think like
looking back when you realize like I
like knowing what I'm supposed to say
and like what how it's going to be
received and I think I've spent so much
of my life feeling like a Martian that
just like landed here and everyone else
knows everyone else got the manual but
like I didn't get it. So I think I
learned really comfortable thing would
be to go into a situation knowing what
to say and what to do and how they're
going to respond and what would be a
normal like reaction to that and then
finding it and genuinely feeling it and
being able to access it but just
retrofit it and that is why I fell in
love with acting. Mhm.
>> But I think like the irony of that is
that then when that person becomes a
public figure and like part of their job
in order to keep being able to do that
is to then publicly and professionally
be a person for general public
consumption.
>> Yeah.
>> Does that person know how to do that?
And I don't think I ever I stopped
collecting data and performing the like
expected thing and just saying the press
points and doing the thing. And I think
it took me a long time to go like, "Oh,
maybe I was just panicking because it
was so like I don't know."
>> Yeah.
>> You know, and like that's the true
answer. It's like, "Was I panicking?"
Absolutely. I was panicking when I wrote
my last meal. Yes. But like only because
I actually care.
>> Of course.
>> You know, and there's so many things
that you're not supposed to care about
these days. And I forget that. I always
forget. It's like becomes so uncool to
care. And you're supposed to just like
phone it in.
>> We cared. Listen, the millennials, we
are no longer the dominant culture
builders in the world, and that's fine.
But god damn it, we were not so
disaffected to think that everything was
cringe. We cared about things. We had
the goddamn Obamas in the White House.
They were on Jesse.
>> Michelle was on Jess.
>> Michelle was on Jesse. Yeah, I think
Brock was busy.
>> There really was a sense of of
earnestness, and I appreciate that.
How'd we do on the Watery Ranch? I
>> If you don't mind me getting in the
kitchen a little,
>> I'm telling you, this is like not a
culinary choice. This is like got to be
an economic choice.
>> This is how they did it in my high
school. It was so watery. You would dip
your pizza crust into it.
>> Oh yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> The dill comes through more with the
water.
>> The dill. You guys nailed the dill. Wow.
Yeah. Water. Famous for enhancing dill.
>> Debbie, for the second course of your
final meal on Earth, we have the lobster
roll from Salty Girl. Quote, "A fatal
amount of butter." We have somehow yet
again tomatoes and bread. And then we
have taglolini al lemon. I want to stop
and take stock of this because if you
really look at it, we got the pasta, we
have the tomatoes and bread. Then we got
kind of like a fun indulgent street
snack. This is kind of your first
childhood course like all grown up with
foods in your 20s.
>> Wow. High pattern recognition this guy.
That's interesting. To your question
earlier, would I recognize Debbie? Show
me a show me show me her in a course.
She's she's like this sort of shape.
>> And then I think another core tenant of
Debbie Ryan now. So we have created the
Rockstar X 300 mgram of caffeine. We had
our art department actually recreate the
exact design of the can. And not only
that, Colby, he made Rockstar from
scratch. So we got the caffeine
andhydrris powder. We made sure there's
300 millig. If he mismeasured, we're
going to die.
>> Are you joking?
>> Cheers.
>> Cheers.
Wow.
>> Wow. It's honestly because you said
vitamins, it's like a health drink.
>> It's basically a health drink. This is
like spa water.
>> Yeah. I'm on a juice class.
>> You have been quoted about energy drinks
before as saying um
>> feels uh like it threatens your
longevity and is like drinking battery
acid. Do you think people need to
consume something that makes them feel a
little bad?
>> You have that little bit of I'd probably
call it a self-destructive streak. Of
course.
>> Um, yeah. I mean, I think that there's a
lot of ways we can do it, right? You can
read comments. Like, there's a lot of
ways to self harm now.
>> It's actually the same psychology. And I
I've had to really stop myself from
doing that as well. Tagalini alone. By
the way,
>> the cookin,
>> tons of fresh lemon, tons of zest,
little parm to finish.
>> Wow, it's so good.
>> I think we should do the tamate pan. So
this is a reverse play on pan kontomate
or pam tomakat from it's the catalan
dish.
>> Isn't it fun?
>> This is so fun.
>> Isn't it playful?
>> It's playful. It's playful. But is it I
haven't eaten it yet so I I don't know.
Um this wilder you eat it.
>> This is God damn it. I always do this
man.
>> People come in they want to make friends
and you just say like I think I say no
it's fair. You never said you're looking
for your friend but like you seemed like
you wanted to connect on something.
>> I want to play dude. If you're down to
play, like I will play. And I%
>> Ardan Marine once told you that that
play is the most scientifically proven
way to reduce trauma,
>> h
>> you know.
>> Yeah. I mean, she's a master at
navigating grief and she's been help
helped me with a lot of that. And I
think that it's true. And I do think
that like so much of us, especially us
sort of like I don't know like perpetual
new kids like people who are really
trying to like fit in and like I it's
just like what can we do to make our
tail wag you know and it's like so I
don't know do we need something that
makes us feel bad maybe inherently but
like if that's like the reverse of like
we need something that makes us feel
good. So it's kind of like yeah it's
maybe
>> I need to be here. I can't
>> I also think do you want to talk about
like maybe I think that there's like
this like martyrdom thing. I think that
like I mean first of all whatever under
capitalism are we all allowed pleasure
or any of us allowed to it has to be
guilty we have and I can't speak to the
male experience I can speak to like the
female experience
>> but like there's something about like if
someone goes like I like your outfit
you're supposed to go oh how I got it
like
>> it you have to sort of undermine
everything needs a catalyst everything
needs justification
and it's I think inherently tied to the
way that we're sort of like culturally
really encouraged to like make ourselves
small and to not offend or threaten
anyone. But I also think that that
extends so much into like how we have
our interactions and how we interact
with the world, which is kind of like
sorry for existing, hate to put you out.
Hate, you know, and and I don't think I
think it's just making people so small,
like so tragically small that then we go
online and we look at other people and
if there's one rough edge they haven't
polished, then we like tell them they're
actually not making themselves small
enough. Because if you knew how small I
was making myself every day, you would
feel so embarrassed about not working
that hard. And it's like, it's actually
just kind of embarrassing and sad.
Anyway, I love this tomato dish.
>> Our greatest fear is not that we're
inadequate, is that we're powerful
beyond measure. It is our light, not our
darkness. The friend Samuel Jackson said
that,
>> did he? To you
>> in the movie? No. Um to Teimo Cruz in
the movie Coach Carter.
>> Oh,
>> it's a Maryanne Williamson quote, but
also uh Samuel Jackson said.
>> So, it's Samuel L. Jackson as a
character. It's the script writer.
>> So, yeah. So, he's playing a character
called Coach Carter. He's
>> based off a real Yeah. kind of this. So,
this from Wilder, uh really formative
restaurant about 10 years ago in New
York. Very clever uh dish. Sort of
reverting the ratios here. But what I'm
wondering is like is this one of those
dishes that is more clever than it is
good?
>> Can you do this?
>> Yeah. Do you want me to sort of
>> I don't think I'm doing this right.
>> Yeah. Well, yeah. So, I guess what you
want is really stab it and then you want
to use like a kind of gentle sawing
motion.
>> You just described cutting. That's not
>> I was trying to make Okay. So, when you
were talking about women making
themselves smaller, um, in my
experience, being in the male
experience, I am kind of one of the most
masculine people that I know. Um, and
look up to me to to really say what a
man should do.
>> Yeah.
>> Um, you're expected to just like
>> have confidence with everything or else
like it sort of threatens your
existence. So, you have to go and just
be like, "Yeah, I could I could land
this plane." Everyone's so shocked that
every man is just like plain because
from birth you're taught that that's
like a good kind of to have. And listen,
we got we got the long end of the stick
on almost everything. This ain't me
complaining about it. Um but that is
something where you just men are so
scared.
>> No, but you know what's interesting? I
think the polarity is where the danger
is, right? I mean they say the what is
it? The dose makes the poison. Mh. Like,
so if there's so much bravado and
confidence and masculinity that's
expected of you and very little room to
go like, I don't know. Can you teach me?
I don't know about that. Then how are
you going to learn? And I feel like in
my life, I've been able to just go into
every room and go, I have no idea what
this is. Can you teach me?
>> Yeah.
>> I've gotten really good at asking for
help and asking to learn and and asking
people why they do the things that they
do. And I think it it helps me like if
nothing else, you know, it definitely
helps me in my career, but I think it it
also just helps me have a better
understanding of humanity in general.
>> Start up feeling like an alien and
wanting to know what the right thing to
say is. You have a lot of clips from red
carpet interviews that have gone viral,
especially later in life. I feel like a
lot of them are going viral because
people don't understand that a woman
could make a joke. Is that a reasonable
assessment at all?
>> It is crazy. And I'm I appreciate you
letting people know that women can joke
now cuz I was wondering.
>> Well, it was it was 2017 they passed the
legislation.
>> Just I think context is a luxury.
>> Sure.
>> And I think it's impossible to have
context of a culture you didn't
experience. And I think that like I
watched that at a young age being
literally the only person who was like
American or spoke English living in
Germany and just trying to figure out
how to be. And I think from a young age
I realized like
well I probably took the wrong lesson
from it, right? Which is like say the
press points and sell it and you know
you're doing 50 interviews and you just
say the things that they tell you to say
and this is like the moment and
whatever. Media has changed so much.
Like 15 years ago whenever I was on red
carpets and doing interviews or like on
a Disney show or whatever, the internet
wasn't what it is. And you know, I think
the context is so different. And I look
at that girl fondly. Like I she's
like a little sister, you know what I
mean? Like she's like like you got it,
girl. Like you know you're doing your
best. But like
it's when you are a teen or a young
person, especially like when you're sort
of broadcasted into the world for public
consumption before you've ever really
had a second to figure out who you are
in a way that's not been reinforced to
you as the palatable version.
>> Um, I think that that gets crystallized
in time. And you know, I think it it
kind of also just ties into the fact
that like nostalgia is this like cozy
drug to people
>> big time. Yeah.
>> And I think the version of me maybe that
people first encountered
they hold so fondly because they were so
young and maybe they sort of the way
that we do with our friend from high
school
>> and we forget that they can change.
you're really doing a disservice to
yourself and them to like not create
room in your imagination that like they
have also had 15 years or however many
>> amount of years but the truth is
>> I think if I wanted to like tell people
who I am now I I think I could have
should have would have worked harder at
it
>> but it just doesn't seem like a big
priority to me I just want to make the
work that I make and I forget that like
doing press and putting yourself out
there is part of allowing people to see
that work. And I think
>> I feel really fortunate that like that
girl did what she did so that I have the
luxury and the privilege right now of
being able to like make cool quiet indie
movies and
>> work if and when I can on things that I
like I can say no.
>> And so that's kind of just like making
the work has been the priority. It is
almost interesting viewing a previous
version of yourself as sacrificial
because that that
>> it's like well grind for the next three
years, sacrifice a certain amount of
yourself.
>> Sure.
>> For the greater you later on.
>> Totally.
>> But I worry about that trap and maybe
not being able to crawl out of that
hole.
>> It's interesting. I think like
overexposure
is really scary. I think like at the
time I didn't I I was a little aware of
it, you know, because I was brought in
to be like seven out of 13 episodes on
Sweet Life. Like I was not supposed to
be a lead of anything. I was so far down
on the call sheet. Even Insatable, I was
not number one on the call sheet. It was
his life rights that were optioned that
it's about a guy and a girl. It was a
two-hander. And so I think I really have
a supporting role mentality
so much going into things. And I I I
think that that's my sweet spot where I
like to be in a conversation, in a at a
dinner party, whatever. The sacrificial
element is interesting. I think a lot
about like something Josh and I will say
at home is like, I don't know, do you
want to do this? And I'll go, I want to
have done it.
>> So if I want to have done it, then I
back myself into like doing it. Yeah.
like past me
set up present me, you know, and I think
thinking a little bit longer term like
that is really nice. And I'm doing a lot
of stuff for future Debbie. And and I
think about her a lot, you know, and I
also think that past me didn't. I think
I did in some ways, but like on the
carpet, you don't have the context for
that sort of thing. I also to be fair, I
don't think I'm giving a very clear
response to this because I actually
haven't seen a lot of the videos. It's
like every once in a while something
will pop up
>> on my explore page or someone will go do
you see that thing about whatever and
I'll be like that is not my business
like that's not I have no interest in
doesn't make me want to put myself out
there more because I'm like I don't I
don't think any of these people I don't
know what they you know
>> I don't know what they're going to do
with it but
>> I appreciate you coming on the show. I
want to say that I want to say that
thank you for putting yourself out here
and making yourself vulnerable and even
if you just have to trade it for free
food. Uh,
>> I'm not going to lemon this first. You
have to bite it first.
>> I'm so sorry. I This is Debbie is so
much better.
>> Wow.
>> Near fatal.
>> That's what you want.
>> You ready to go to course number three?
>> I mean, can I spend a little more time
with the salty girl?
>> Debbie, for the third course of your
final meal on Earth, we got the Columbus
specialty, plus of course the ocean
water from Sonic. So, here we have the
crispy rice from Commune with egg and
avocado. Of course, we actually called
every chef and they gave us a lot of
tremendous detail about their food. We
have the casarete with the bone marrow
and a giant pile of herbs and
breadcrumbs from spec. And then we have,
of course, no one makes a crudeau like
Jean. Uh, and so we actually copycatted
Jean's crudeau. Where do we start here?
Oh, and then of course the black pot
sauce. This now comes out. Would you
like to burp it?
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Oh,
>> live cultures.
>> Yeah. Okay. So, I think we start here
because I do think the warmth of the
rice and the coldness of is like you
kind of want the dichconomy while it's
still
>> Yeah. So, we mix a bunch of leftover
white rice with kimchi, fried it up,
super super crispy. Topped it with a
tahini sauce, avocado, egg, little bit
of fresh kimchi on there. This kim
nice sousie egg right there.
>> That's right. That's yolk didn't pour
out as much.
>> No, you don't want it runny though.
That's It's not a sunny side up egg. You
want it like softer than jammy, you
know? You want spreadable. Okay. I'm not
from Columbus. I moved there six years
ago. My husband's from there. What I
discovered upon moving there is that
they're doing really cool stuff with
food. They're doing like it's a creative
city. It's cool. It's like sort of like
progressive and on top of things. What
do you think about this?
>> It's pretty damn good.
>> Okay, cool.
>> Okay,
>> so I've never had a Sonic Ocean water.
Are you supposed to put nerds in this?
>> No.
>> I don't know. That's the thing they do
with Sonic. Don't laugh.
>> It's disrespectful to our culture. You
can. Sorry, that's my alarm.
Oh, it's time to feed my daughter. I got
to go.
>> I see it. Hi, everyone. De Ryan, check.
Can I bring this for baby? Is this fine?
It's what we needed.
>> Check out the is it Jesse Reboot what he
promoted?
>> You wish. Josh.
>> God, I do.
>> Every time you DM me and go, Jesse
reboot. Come on, get off your desktop.
>> Is that Asian water monitor lizard? She
passed away though in 2021.
>> I'm sorry. Sorry, I didn't mean to be so
brash, but
>> yeah. I mean, I told you that someone I
cared about has passed away.
>> Man, this is Kipling. I'm sorry.
>> And now you know. You're right.
>> Wait, can I tell you I' I've been
meaning to talk about your movie this
entire time cuz I watched it and I
really loved it.
>> Wait, hold on. You have to be something
else.
>> I know, but I keep asking you other
things. Okay, I was talking about the
movie. Okay, Laugh Man.
>> You're in a movie called The Sun Never
Set. Yeah.
>> Uh, really wonderful. Um, people talking
about the paradox of what it is to be
human, right? of somebody who uh
simultaneously really wants something
knowing that it is bad for them and not
exactly knowing what they want. To me,
that's what I look for in a piece of
narrative fiction is something that can
reflect my own experience of being human
back at me. And I felt very seen by, of
course, Dakota Fanning. I think I'm a
natural Dakota Fanning type um in that.
But do you find yourself having
>> It was actually It's a crazy thing. It
was actually between Josh and Dakota for
the role.
>> And can I say so many roles often are
between me and
>> Yeah. They're like we're looking for a
Dakota Fanning type. D. She calls me J
man. It's the whole thing.
>> I don't really hear her saying that.
>> You don't hear her saying that?
>> Yeah. I couldn't imagine her going like
J man. You know what I mean?
>> It's kind of an inside joke that Dak and
I have. Um
>> that's so classic.
>> But like do you do you find yourself
having those push and pull moments where
you're like, I want this thing. I know
it's bad for me. Maybe I don't actually
want it. And just sort of um constantly
fighting yourself in a way which I think
is the most human thing we can do.
>> This is the best thing I've ever had.
Isn't it so good?
>> God damn it. It's blue wind.
>> Yeah.
>> Um, can I get some by the way?
>> Um, sugar is really affects brains in a
way that
>> Wow.
>> Wow. So, that is Dude,
>> you ever do? Yes. Do you want to do a
luge with ocean water?
>> Oh my gosh, that's crazy.
>> You said you don't do drugs. So, like,
you know, do an ocean water luge through
bone marrow is about as close as you can
get. There. I'll get it.
>> It's crazy. You know, it's like you go
to a restaurant every once in a while,
you can have this. Bone Marrow is one of
my child's first foods cuz they said
it's like so fat dense. Whatever.
>> Wow. Good for the brain health.
>> Yeah. This restaurant is one of my
favorite restaurants in Columbus. Um I
really love
>> good Italian food. Yeah. Um
>> the amount of herbs make the bone
marrow. You can have more bone marrow
the more herbs you have. You have more
herbs the more bone marrow you have.
They just balance against each other.
>> Which brings me back to your question
about dichotomy and juxtaposition.
>> That's it.
>> I think it's like natural in life. And I
think in the last like year or two, I've
really become so aware of like it's so
easy to create a currency
when you're younger and just go like,
okay, I did this
>> and that's maybe bad, so then today I'll
do this or whatever.
>> Um, and I do think modify where you can.
I think like sort of keeping like a
lowgrade count of just where your
balance is of things whether it's
nutrition whether it's I was unable to
make this thing that matters to my
friend the last two times and so this
time no matter what has to go on the
chopping block it is going to be a
priority for me like I do think there is
a version of holding a balance that is
really important for humanity and
relationships but I also think that like
life and relationships can become so
much of a currency
And I think keeping score like that is
like the wrong way to go about it.
So yes, yes and no. I think this
dichotomy and I think something that the
movie does really well is the human sort
of nuance, right? It's not like, well,
this is the person who's clearly the bad
choice and this is the person who's the
safe choice. It's kind of like
>> at this moment you've been choosing this
thing. You know, everyone in the movie
is choosing the thing in the moment that
they think is
>> they want. But
>> yeah,
>> that moment can change and bring in new
things. And I think Dakota's performance
is amazing. I mean, it's it's such a
beautiful nuanced performance. And I
think it really shows you go on the ride
of going like, I could see why you would
react in this way and I could see why
the promise that you made when you were
in this conversation with this person is
really hard to uphold in this
conversation with this person or
whatever. being in the place where, you
know, my character is her best friend
who gets pregnant and is kind of just
like, "Okay, you've been investing in
this relationship with this person and
like it seems like by choosing what
you've been choosing, just so you know,
flagging. If you continue choosing that,
it's like paradox of choice, you're
actually cutting off the choice to have
the thing that you used to want."
>> One of the things I think it did so
beautifully is that it um nothing tragic
happened, but to me, the movie was
filled with so much tragedy in a way.
And the tragedy is all sort of like our
our internal choice. It filled with
beauty as well. You know what I mean?
Seen with Jake Johnson like coaching,
you know, his daughter's basketball game
was like so funny and so beautiful. But
to me, it was one of these things where
I think all of life is so sort of
beautiful and tragic all the time. But
maybe that's just me. Me and Dakota,
Dak, we we're both quite dramatic
people, you know. Um
>> you don't really see her that way.
>> No. Well, yeah. Yeah. So, I guess we
spent a lot of different, you know, more
I've spent a lot of um other time with
her
>> like how cuz like how I spent time with
her shooting the movie and how you've
never spent
>> I've just watched I Am Sam a lot. Yeah,
that's mostly where I'm getting it.
>> Yeah. Yeah. She was seven. But um
>> so I will take this opportunity to
remind you that people have changed in
20 years.
>> Um we're 25. It's an interesting point
because Jake's
in a relationship with a girl that he
cares about. Like he's doing the right
thing in his mind. He's going like, "I
would feel really terrible if you woke
up down the road in this relationship
with me
>> and you discovered you wanted a family
and you know that that's not something I
want." And he's really giving her the
space. And then once she does take the
space like for him to go like, "Damn it,
why was I like trying to do the good
thing?" Because now it's backfired a
little bit and it is at odds with what I
want. And
>> I think that sort of messiness is
something that Joe Swanberg, the
director, is so beautiful at holding
that balance and creating
>> a thing where like no one's perfect in
it like and no one's doing a great
resolution either. Nothing is zipped up
with the bow, right?
>> You said something that was really
interesting how
>> like how you zip up a bow.
>> Tie it up with a bow. What if it's
zipped up like a zipper zipper and you
wrap it around a present and then you
tie the zipper? I tell you what, any
present I've given is it's been wrapped
in tin foil.
>> Just a clean tin foil wrap.
>> I'm about to give a present of your
cookbook to someone that I brought for
you to sign it, but it's going to be
addressed to me.
>> I signed
>> You don't listen to women.
>> I do. I listen to some women. I have to
talk.
>> That's right.
>> I've seen the show. We get it. Women can
do medicine now.
>> I know. Legislation passed in 2015.
>> But if women are being doctors, then
who's the nurse? Well, that's what I'm
saying. And
>> that is what you're saying.
>> I'm not going to say
>> Got him.
>> Um, sorry. I'm so sorry.
>> I was going to praise you for saying
interesting things. Could you let me
praise you for saying interesting
things?
>> Oh my god. You should have started to
yell at women. I don't mean to yell at
women. Um, Disney Channel shows don't
show any amount of complex conflict
resolution,
>> which I think is kind of like really
setting up a lot of young people for
messed up expectations on how life
should, I don't know, be live or be
resolved. And not that it's like
>> me for being wise. Um,
>> yeah. No, but that was something I never
thought about that. like it's always um
it'll be like a somewhat real conflict
that they need to be resolved and the
actual resolution is just some like
hairbrain wacky scheme and everything
gets zipped up like a bow as you said
but that's not how any of life actually
exists and it's a lot more like a movie
like this ever sets where things are
just messy and then you die.
>> Yeah, for sure. The thing about the
resolution I think is interesting
Disney-wise,
>> it's like you have to be able to,
especially pre-streaming, every episode
was just on whenever it was on so seldom
in sequence. So, of course, the thing
that is like lifealtering stakes need to
be resolved and everything needs to be
reset
>> for like it to all to sort of make sense
out of context, right?
life is a little bit that way. But also
dynamic-wise, you meet someone, we all
exist in the context of everything that
has come before us. You think you just
fell out of a coconut tree, etc.
>> Amen.
>> Keeping that one in.
>> I think having it not be perfect at the
end is so it's slice of life. It is one
summer. I think something that's
beautiful about the way that the movie
works is like you drop into things. It
doesn't explain things like there there
were also so many scenes that we shot
that got cut. The way that Joe works is
off of
an outline. So, so much of the dialogue
is really just what we're finding in the
conversation. And some of that is really
infused with a lot of backstory that we
build in our individual characters that
we do in scenes that do or don't make
it. And I love working like that. It's
um my first time working with Joe. I
worked with a director who I sort of met
him through that um worked in a similar
sense that was just a director really
trusted.
>> Was this Bana?
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> And talking with Dakota as well like
watching her process being able to work
with her
>> was so cool, such a gift. She's such,
you know, the blueprint, right, for a
young performer and the career that
she's continued to build is amazing. And
so I think and then Jake is obviously in
just amazing and and him co-writing the
script and he's actually who brought me
in to the project which was great and I
met him through Bayana as well. They
were really close and so it kind of was
this gift from Bayana cuz I hoped to
know him for the rest of my life and
work with him
>> um just for the rest of my career and he
and I were writing something together.
Mhm.
>> They took place in the world of winter
sports, which is why I went on the
bobsled and whatever. And um and he was
one of the main people who was like
something's wrong and helped me really
figure out what happened and helped me,
you know, identify that and get the care
that I needed. And he the way that he
works is so inspired by people and held
it with a loose hand, but was always
down to sort of like break into it. And
through him I met Jake and then Jake
brought me into the Joe process and this
project and on our Zoom he goes uh they
go so the role is you know it's small
it's quick come to Alaska and just you
know shoot with us for a week or
whatever and then go and he goes she um
she's pregnant she finds out she's
pregnant and sort of spurs this you know
thing in Dakota and I go oh man that's
crazy yeah I mean it's going to be me
soon. knowing I was pregnant and I
hadn't told anyone because it was so
sensitive. And they go, "Dude, you
should just show up pregnant." And I go,
"I will." And then
>> Jake Johnson saying, "Dude, you should
show up pregnant."
>> That's such a goddamn Jake Johnson thing
to say.
>> Yes.
>> Dude, you should just show up pregnant.
>> That's a good Jake.
>> I'm better at Jake than I am Fred Durst.
>> Yeah. Well, definitely also a
conversation I'd love to see Jake be
Fred. Yeah. He was like, "You should
show up pregnant." And I was like, "I
will." And then I did and I showed them.
And so it was interesting because there
was a bit of time where I was kind of
just telling my friends as I was seeing
them.
>> Yeah.
>> I I really made it a point to tell our
close family members and and a couple
people who really
knew what it meant to me and knew what
the stakes were and had been with me
through some disappointments. But after
that, I kind of was like, great, when I
see people when I get further down, I'll
see them. But like I told Jake, Jake
told Joe and Dakota. And so there was a
bit of time where like literally Dakota
Fanning and Joe Swanberg and Jake
Johnson were like some of the only
people in my life that knew about my
pregnancy. I just met them. I was like,
"Okay, let me just tell my friends." But
yeah, it was cool. It was really cool to
be actually pregnant and play pregnant
and have this, you know, it was so
scary, but it was so I was like hiking
seven miles like pregnant, just so
nauseous. But it was fun. I don't know.
I like indie movies that way.
Debbie, for the final course of your
final meal on planet Earth, we got the
Buckeyes. We got a big ass pavlova.
Then we have the Lacreds by Bulo. And
then we have the maple latte. Sorry, the
Canadian latte. Canadian.
>> I forgotten the name of the coffee shop
in Columbus. I have too much sugar. I
will. And this is the Canadian latte.
And then the pavlova. So, you gave us a
couple choices on the pavlova, but we
wanted to sort of like make the ultimate
Debbie Ryan pavlova here. So, we have
nods to a lot of different parts of your
heritage. We have a nod to the marzipan
that you would typically find in Germany
with our almond brittle right here. Um,
they grow a lot of uh figs in cherries
in Ohio. There's also a mochi donut spot
that you love that does a black sesame
miso caramel. So, we have a black sesame
cremeat and a miso caramel in there. And
then as a nod to Texas, we actually have
a little bit of a smoked apple compost
on there as well.
>> This is a really, really thoughtful
thing that you guys made. That's really
special.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Into it. Do you want to cry?
Do you do you whack it?
>> I love it.
>> Pablo, of course. Uh, meringed egg white
kind of baked and dehydrated, decorated
with all manners of fruits, creams. This
is like one of my favorite
>> fig and a and a pomegranate like the So
sorry. Oh, it's bath time.
>> Get out of here. Everyone, that's been
Debbie Ryan. Check out the reboot of
your in suits. The third suits reboot.
Is that what it is? Some sort of reboot.
>> Yeah. Just let people know. Let people
know whatever you want. Yeah.
>> Oh, wait. I meant to do this earlier.
Oh,
>> I Oh, wait. Is that for me or is that
>> Wait, it was back there.
>> WE GOT IT.
>> GOD DAMN IT, SAM.
>> Got to let her do it. She's from
Columbus now.
>> No, I'm not. Well, yeah. I like cuz you
said now Texas it was like the stars at
night are big and bright.
>> Deep in the heart of Texas,
>> right? And so I went from that one and
then I lived in LA for 14 years which
was as long as I lived everywhere else
together and then Ohio. And when I went
to Ohio and people started shouting oh
>> Mhm.
>> it really feels like something that they
should let you know before they just
start screaming it.
>> You've referred to Dwayne the Rock
Johnson as a a guiding light. What's the
biggest lesson you've learned from
playing the Rock Johnson?
>> H
>> if you want to if like do the thing that
you do and just be good at it. No one
needs you to be doing all sorts of
things. Is he Philip Seymour Hoffman?
>> He's doing like a He's
>> I don't want that. But he's doing the
rock.
>> Is he?
>> He's doing the rock. He's doing
>> tequila. He he he know he opened just a
French toast restaurant in the mall.
>> Which mall? You can't say you're so
right. There's one
>> like ants pretzels like the mall collect
the royal them the mall.
>> If you want to go down a rabbit hole of
Ann Ber of Auntie Ants most
inspirational woman I've ever as we know
I love women not I'm not like that. I do
I love that women are inspirational. It
was in the Century City.
>> Only as long as they're making pretzels.
>> It was she donated. No, she only did
that to fund her center for uh
counseling women who are victims of
domestic violence.
>> Okay. Hell yeah.
>> Great. And I'm by the Marvel.
>> Every time I go to the mall and I smell
an anten pretzel, I go like, am I going
to get a pretzel? And now the answer is
going to be a resounding yes every time
because of that.
>> She sold to private equity.
>> Well, when we got to get a dollar,
>> he only had one type of French toast. It
was just the type of French toast that
he liked. It was just
>> You're just proving my point.
>> I guess you're so right. You're so
right. You're so right.
>> He's doing what he's doing.
>> Back back up.
>> For years.
>> Yeah.
>> Do you know what he would do? He would
go, "This is my cheat meal." And it was
his cheat meal. And he would show, "Do
you know about this?"
>> This is the toast.
>> This is the show. This is the mythical
kitchen show that I host. It's called
cheat meals.
>> It's just Dwayne the Rock Johnson reals.
And we're watching them together. It's
always the same meal. Um, but I have a
different commentary somehow every time.
It's always like French toast with
peanut butter and tequila.
>> That's exactly what they didn't sell
tequila at the store, but they sold just
the rocket meal. You're so right. He
really has stuck to
>> Listen, he's doing what he needs to do,
and I think that's great. Is that how
you and Josh got the starring role in
the movie Fast X?
>> Thank you for saying starring.
>> Yes.
>> Yeah, we did have a cameo in Fast X. We
were really excited about it. We both
unbeknownst to each other, we wrote our
vows in the car on the way to the
wedding
>> and we both mentioned the Fast and the
Furious in there. So, I think it just
shows like it was like foundational to
our sort of relationship building and
that came up and we had a common friend
who worked on the movies and they
invited us to do a fun cameo and he had
like two shows. So, we truly like he
like played the show. We like got on a
plane. It was like crazy. And then we
did the thing with John Cena. It was so
fun. And then we just like bounced. And
now every once in a while someone will
be on a plane which is like it's the
plane movie. You know, you watch it on
the plane course and people will text us
and be like, "I didn't know you were in
this." It's a fun a real gift that keeps
on giving and there's so many like you
mentioned Turtles all the way down in my
intro which makes zero sense like um
because I literally had one line in it.
I was just eating Doritos in a college
because my friend directed it. We were
like teen actors together. Now she's a
director. I saw she was in Ohio. I was
like let me bring you some Ohio stuff.
She's like we're shooting like down the
street. Do you want to be in it and do a
cameo? I said absolutely.
>> You're a big John Green book fan.
>> Yeah.
>> You love Looking for Alaska.
>> Yes, I did. Wow. He's great and also I
think has uh a lot of interesting things
to say and thoughts on like OCD and
minds that are sort of built in a
specific way and also you know voice of
a generation for sure.
>> Agreed entirely.
>> I went and like did literally one line
in that eating Doritos just cuz it was
my friend's movie and I feel like now
I've continued to do that in so many
things. I just did that on my friend's
show in Toronto overcompensating. I
don't know if I can say that. Whatever.
But it's just like all I want to do is
just work with my friends. I just want
to like play. I don't really want to do
a lot of heavy lifting at this moment in
my life. That's not true. All I want to
do is work with my friends.
>> Dichotomy though, right? It's
>> Yeah.
>> Literally, it's constant.
>> I really like when people build an
ecosystem.
>> Yeah.
>> And you get to sort of go in and play in
it. And I think I feel really fortunate
to be at this point in my life and in my
career where I know so many great people
who are doing a lot of great things. And
I get to come and sort of do the the
only thing that I'm great at or like
good at or that I'm comfortable doing.
>> Dig into the Buckeyes. This is an Ohio
specialty, a peanut butter mixed with
powdered sugar dipped chocolate.
>> M.
>> Can't go wrong.
>> That makes me want to say, "Oh,
>> I
>> There it is.
>> Is it dense?" You know,
>> it's dense. Yeah, you got to mix the
peanut butter with a lot of powdered
sugar to give that texture. I open up
the licorice.
>> Okay. What do you think about Are you
licorice guy? You like bitter. Bitter is
a taste profile that is so
>> I like bitter. I don't um like chewy
things cuz they're going to rip my teeth
out.
>> That's right. You don't have to do this.
You don't have to do this. Are you
performatively eating licorice now to
show you're not scared? You are scared.
And that's I I appreciate you being open
about that. How are your teeth?
>> I'm so scared. I'm trying to move it
towards the front.
>> You can spit it out.
>> What if I swallow a hole?
>> That seems to me more scary. I learned
that vulner vulnerability isn't
something I get rewarded for, which is
funny because people people would say
like, "No, it is. We're in 2026." But
then we're still constantly not shown
that per se.
>> That's fair.
>> And so we live in this constant
dichotomy.
>> I think that you're such an incredible
interviewer and I think that
vulnerability being at the forefront of
that is like inherent in the DNA. So
maybe you don't individually get
rewarded for like
>> great moment of thank you for sharing,
but like generally speaking, I think
your entire career and the amount of
people I know who hold you as so beloved
and such like really sort of
bestin-class at what you do. I think
that that's probably a testament to
that.
No, I I do really appreciate that and it
it is something that I've always tried
to lead with, but
>> again, it's almost one of those things
that you're you're constantly battling.
I think socialized as a man in terms of
like this is what's important. And
again,
>> things are really changing, but I think
they're changing so rapidly where it's
almost like the words we're saying are
changing faster than the things that
we're actually
>> sort of believing and able to
internalize over time.
>> Yes. Well, such is the pendulum of
culture and cultural conversations,
right? It's like such wide swings and
then hopefully it allows things to
mellow out. Um,
>> ain't never been easy.
>> I don't know. Sometimes it's been so
easy.
>> Here's the thing. Child birth a lot
easier than people think. Debbie Ryan
quote.
>> Child birth. It's just like a sneeze.
>> You know what's funny? I was going to
make that joke and then I was like, dial
it back too far. And I'm so glad that
you did. I was literally going to say
just like a sneeze.
>> Someone without a uterus.
>> 100%. Yeah. Yeah. Um, Deb, we ask
everyone on this show. Gooding segue,
Josh. What happens when you die?
>> It's a good thing to ask people.
>> You got something else?
>> That was that was the cards.
>> Uh,
>> yeah. I think we all sort of go back
into the soup.
>> Is the soup called cream of God?
>> Why are people so disgusted by that?
>> Say cream of God.
>> Like cream of God soup. You're talking
about this, the primordial soup. I think
>> you could have gone with God chowder.
God, God shouts so much because the
chunks. I guess we're the chunks.
>> We are the chunks and the shout of the
Lord. Jeez. Josh,
>> you know what's funny? When you said,
"Do you have any other questions?" I
looked. Literally, the only other
question was, quote, "Where are you at
with God?"
>> In the chowder.
>> In the chowder.
>> I'm just a chunk in the chowder guy. Um,
when you have a baby and you actually
like the supernatural
experience of like what happens when a
new life materializes from you and that
you are sort of the one who p is the
portal for the soul to come into the
world. Like there's something about that
that just really blows your head open in
terms of like what's
where's it coming? Where is it going?
And also it does all sort of feel like
this big washing thing that fills all of
us like sort of like it's all of the
things that make us excited and it's all
of the things that we do that will never
return in any real way but just maybe
made someone's tail wag which made their
day a little bit better which sort of
the butterfly effect cumulatively that
we all are a part of. I think that like
if that lives on then that is a version
of eternal life, right? And I think that
I think that eternal life is available,
but I think that maybe it's a little bit
more present than we all give it credit
for.
>> The chowder keeps boiling.
>> Yeah. Put that chowder on a simmer.
>> You ready to get to the lightning round?
>> Yeah. Oh, yeah. Let's do it.
>> Debbie, who's the one person dead or
alive you'd want to share your actual
last meal with? I mean, Josh, my mom, my
daughter.
>> What song do you want to be played at
your funeral?
>> There's a song called Force by Tanya
Tuck. I don't know how to say it. It's
called Force by Tanya something. Uh, I
think it would set a crazy tone.
>> What's your biggest fear?
>> My daughter letting someone or something
tell her who she is or what she's worth.
>> What's the title of Debbie Ryan's
memoir?
I mean, like, literally, maybe it's just
called who.
It's just like who?
>> Who's one celebrity you'd want to box in
your boxing ring at home?
>> I might box I might box Cole. Cole's
Cole's fiery, too. He's strong.
>> Yeah. Also, though, I mean, the
cigarettes, like they wouldn't Cardio's
not there.
>> Yeah, that's right.
>> Is not there. You know what I mean? Uh,
what's your greatest regret in life?
>> I think not not silencing the noise. M
>> I think like I get so interested in
learning things and hearing things and
experiencing things that I it it
didn't feel that important or as
necessary. Like I didn't put enough
value on how important it is to just let
it be quiet and sit with myself and sort
of sort through all that I had gathered.
>> Yeah. Finally, Debbie, are you happy?
>> Yeah, I'm definitely It's a work in
progress, but I feel I feel really
happy. Yeah,
>> I feel really happy that I got to sit
here and eat this wonderful meal with
you, Julie. Thank you so much for uh
>> Phoebe Wallerbridge.
>> Phoebe Wall, you want to fight her? She
seems tall. She has
>> I don't know if she's tall, but she has
like tall girl
>> energy.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Angular.
>> Does that intimidate you? Cuz women are
not supposed to be tall.
>> I've I So I once This is an off camera
conversation. Debbie, if you want to
deliver your last words to that camera
right there.
>> Thank Thank you. Thanks. and and and in
some ways you're welcome.
>> DEBBIE RYAN, EVERYBODY, she's good at
talking. And indeed, that's what talking
is. Making sounds with your mouth.
>> See you guys in the chatter.
>> You can see Debbie make mouth sounds on
the movie The Sun Never Sets.
>> Yo, there's an album called Mouth Sounds
by Neil Cisera. That whole thing at my
funeral.
>> Great. Yeah, we can just go back and
change.
>> It's basically all smashmouth songs
mixed with other It's so It's so
intense.
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