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get 10% off by using offer code R and L thanks to Squarespace dot-com remember it’s offer code are a and DL it’s like Randall if you didn’t know how to spell it correctly right I’ve always failed Randall that way so I don’t know what the problem is I’m sorry Randall’s out there now it’s time for an ear biscuit welcome to ear of biscuits I’m Linc and I’m Rhett it’s time to continue our conversation with shaycarl the premier family vlogger on the internet last week we talked about what was like growing up Mormon and now we’re moving on to what it’s like to be a guy who puts his family out there for five years every single day on you to approaching five years yeah we discussed the origin of his YouTube channels that told at five years of daily vlogs has taken on him is Shay burning out is he ready to quit how does it impact his family and also what is it like to go from a guy who didn’t even know what aim Instant Messenger was to becoming the de facto spokesperson for maker studios whenever controversy hits ya I’m we get a some good stuff I appreciate the candid nature of what he has to say about all that it’s very fascinating like I said that’s why we have a part two we didn’t want to truncate any of that conversation so we think you will enjoy it there’s an interesting dynamic in having your family on the internet at all I think we can kind of give our perspective because we you know we’re family men right we both have wives and kids what why don’t we start our own little Chatard channels where where we do that you want to I’m going to move into the same house no you know we talked about doing that you remember this when we we’re moving out – Tina’s expensive out yeah that our mortgages our rent out here was so much higher than our mortgages back in North Carolina that we’re like well maybe we should just get a big house together I mean there were serious talk about this but then we were like you know what we would kill each other yeah you know our kids would probably kill each other but if we were filming it we could probably monetize it yeah so I’m now I’m rethinking it I think the main factor you know if you’ve been a viewer of our videos for any length of time the question once you find out that we’re we have wives and we have kids we see the question a lot whoa what are the wives like why aren’t you we want to see your wives that’s the question we get a lot especially like on the rent link community that type of thing well Christy my wife and Jessie Rhett’s wife I’ve we have just not been as open to being on camera you know any have it was what you’re saying I mean I said Christy and Jessie here not been open to being on camera and it’s not the type of thing that we want to push is we’re not vloggers in the first place so it’s not like we share every moment of our life and then we’re trying to cut around our wives you don’t want to be on camera that’s just not who we are we’re not vloggers and you know our wives don’t want a people augurs well and I think I think a really one of the most important aspects of why Shae is able to do it and do it so well is that and he talks about this is that he’s able to kind of put himself in that mood that you need to be in in order to do a vlog and and not that we aren’t necessarily but a lot of people don’t realize just like when it comes down to just the business operations of running a production company that makes Internet videos we’re pretty serious people and it’s like it isn’t the kind of thing where you’re gonna like constantly want to see a camera on us like sitting there like thinking about that even though he kind of talks about that it’s not really that much footage in any given day but I think a lot of times were just like this would be you know what you’re gonna see is you’re gonna see me yelling at my kids telling them to like clean their leg goes up hey you know I’m not saying that he doesn’t have all the same issues but it just it’s never struck me as the kind of thing that would be okay yeah this is gonna be great content but I do think that it’s most that the main factor has been that you know I watch don’t want to be on camera and we like that and we know that the Internet can be a cool place in terms of commenting and things like that and you know I I’m not you know jumping at the chance to put my wife out there in front of the scrutiny of the Internet if that’s not she doesn’t want to be an entertainer and you know and we know just as one of the aspects of being a duo is constant comparison you know we know it we know exactly what all of you think about link compared to me and me compared to link physically emotionally we’ve heard every single comparison that could be made about us right and over you know seven or eight years of doing this full-time we we’ve developed thick skins it’s a I can take pretty much anything but I don’t want my wife to be subjected to that because it isn’t like you know Katie let is being compared to another wife every single every single day and every single vlog but that’s what the internet would do if we put our wives out there yeah they just would not be a wise thing now our kids situation you know I think but we have put our kids in things because why well thank you have use because they they’ve had fun with I think from a young age I mean we don’t put them in a lot of our videos but just kind of sneak them in here there seem to be something that we were comfortable doing I mean lando by the time you get around to the fifth kid between our two families you know we are doing a vlog because we’re actually doing daily vlogs at the time we were trying that I think it was daily and we so we have a vlog of you coming in and visiting Lando and like when he was one day old type of thing that’s really an exception but around that same time we did that we use our kids as weights a very much inspired by shaycarl type of thing to do mm-hmm what we used our kids as weights and they had a lot of fun with that I mean they liked being a part of it I mean they make a little cameos and when I like you know when we did the the Arby’s commercial and and Shepherd gotta be in it like light was disappointed that he didn’t get to be in it right you know and then we’ll use a lot for something else and Shepherd will be upset that he doesn’t so and your kids the same yeah deal so they they want to be a part of it and they would probably be a part of it more if we let them have their way but we we kind of try to keep tabs on it a little bit and Lily made a cameo in the get off the phone video she ended it and then Lincoln was he said he wanted to be in it he said if I was in it I woulda done better than she did he told me his dinner table he’s like vying for it’s like well you all can’t be in everything so he would have done differently he well I didn’t go that far he didn’t give any details I didn’t question her performance yeah I mean she was right there but you know the complete opposite of that mentality has been what Shay has done with this family and you know we’re not making any judgments about it I think it’s absolutely fascinating that he has made the decision and we get into talking about this and like how does he deal with his wife and how does he deal with the fact that what if his kids don’t want to do this one day because he has made the decision to put his life and his wife and his kids out there and he’s that he is the premiere family vlogger the there’s millions of people out there who have decided that they are gonna tune in they’re gonna watch them live their lives and that’s what every single day for for approaching five years and it’s fascinating the conversation is fascinating and let’s get right into this base camp [Music] now we want to talk about I mean you’ve got the whole transition story from not when you transition from a woman to a man wasn’t Mormon the transitioning from you know being a DJ into YouTube and I think we you know people can hear you tell that story in a couple of different places so we don’t necessarily have to go go into that but we know that there was a number of jobs and then kind of getting into the the YouTube thing and I think that one thing we like to talk about is you know transition from being one of those early YouTube guys with a channel that was popular and then transitioning into sort of being the first family right of YouTube so let’s get into that yeah I’ve heard us referred to as and this isn’t a term that I made up but we’ve been referred to as the first family of YouTube which I thought nulls kind of was you know like you guys remember no I’m sure it’s like he had four kids and nots is still a really good friend of mine but yeah I mean when I found YouTube it was at a point in my life where you know we just had our third kid and I was 27 years old and I just hated what I was doing for a living like I just I always believed that I could love what I did you know like growing up I was always you know I skied and I wanted to be a professional skier you know when I was growing up cuz I just wanted to do something I loved so I figure you know 80% of your life is your job and if you hate your job then you hate your life you know so I got a computer and got online and found Philip DeFranco and just you know at first I was because back then you didn’t start a YouTube channel to make money I think now people like oh I want to start a YouTube channel so I can like become rich in a famous youtuber has an occupation yeah you know like that’s a job now but back then it was like oh I just I was addicted to the conversation in fact the probably the only video that I’ve ever deleted is my very first youtube video on my shaycarl channel and so the very first thing I got on I was like there was this I think I looked up he has ever seen this video it’s about this black preacher like bones these two Mormon missionaries and like I had just you know I was like Oh in what way you mean it’s like in a Bible is like a Bible bash situation like they were in like a Denny’s parking lot and these two missionaries came up to talk to this guy and this guy they had a camera roll and he’s like oh look at these two guys look at these two guys and these two missionaries walk up and they’re you could tell they’re just two greenie missionaries or like – 19 year old kids that have no idea what they’re doing or where they’re at and this guy is like this you know preacher from the south who knows the Bible really good and he just like well what about this what about this and these two kids are like uh-uh and it’s like I was just like rolling my eyes like no and so there was this guy who uploaded that video called Utah a night he’s like this ex Mormon who was like super anti Mormon and so you know how religious debates happened on the internet so I started like well these these poor kids I don’t even know what hit him and he’s like yeah cuz they’re not they don’t have the truth and we started like kind of getting this like comment battle back and forth and I’m like I’m like let’s meet let’s meet and talk about this cuz I figured he lived in Utah so I made a video cuz it was funny at the time because you got to know people just in the chat of the YouTube video it was so small a time that there was like ten people for like a week that were commenting back and forth on this video where it’s like you got to know these people was like a chatroom exactly in the YouTube comments and it’s like I would come back to that video every day to see what the newest thing they said was and then I would type something and then he would type something it’s like a week long conversation in the comment section of a YouTube video and you want to memorize yeah I was like let’s meet let’s have it cuz it got to like we’re like teams there’s like you know sides like I agree with Shay and I agree with this other guy and so I was like I was like it’s like my first YouTube made up I made a video cuz everybody I knew my channel talked about like my first 15 or 20 subscribers is from this like big debate in the comments section of this video and so I made a video and I’m like hey like hey you tonight we’ve been talking for the last week and have them like let’s meet I’ll meet you halfway I live in Idaho you live in Utah let’s meet at the border and have lunch and talk about this and then of course he’s wouldn’t agree to do it he’s like no I’m not gonna meet with you and blah blah blah and I uploaded that video that’s probably my very first youtube video and then I found out like there’s all this other stuff on YouTube I know like searching around and then I’d uploaded like my second out next two videos or me and my brother seen with helium balloons too and my mom’s 50th birthday and then I uploaded a video of me doing backflip on skis just like anything I had I uploaded and then I was like I don’t want to be known as the guy who’s like fighting with this guy about religion so I deleted that video and I think I’m pretty sure that’s the only video I’ve ever deleted off of any of my channels is that very first video so you were married with three kids at the time yeah and you were working day job was what I just had started my own granite countertop business I had done granite countertops for like three years and I had just started my own business but YouTube was kind of your outlet I mean yeah it seemed everyone else who was doing that was younger right yeah so I was other than Alton like zip ster I was probably one of the older guys that was getting on YouTube at the time and it wasn’t I never liked to be an entertainer like that was always my personality but that was never like a viable career like to be an actor or an entertainer like that was always like oh that’s not realistic you know so I was good with people I could talk to anybody so in my mind I was always gonna be a Salesman you know all those tests they give you in school like fill out this personality thing and I’ll tell you what you’re gonna be when you grow up so me it was always like I would be in marketing or sales because like it was good with people I was creative and so that’s what I was gonna do and I loved you know countless yeah well that’s that’s the thing that’s why I started my own business cuz like at least I want to work for myself you know I always had an entrepreneur spirit so I was like at least I know I’m not gonna do countertops forever but at least I want to be doing under my own terms but that’s okay but you’re making videos in your in your spare time yes with three kids I don’t know how you had any but whatever and but you were still engaging in all of this YouTube right shamanic see when I you were creating videos of doing acrobatic yeah see because it was perfect timing because I was working at a granite shop right before I started my own granite business and I was working 50 60 hours a week so I never would have had time but I just started my own business and so I could do one job a week and have a lot of extra spare time so I remember the day where it’s like my wife came in and she’s like you need to go finish that job I’m like I’ll had to make a YouTube video like I was more interested in making the YouTube video than going to finish this $10,000 granite job that I was contracted to do up on like the rich part of town you know so it’s like and what did she say to that she’s like I don’t care honey the bills you know that’s what it was is like our mortgages come up and it was a scary proposition for her to own our own business because before then you know I had a steady job with a paycheck and she was nervous about like well how are we gonna pay the bills if you know you’re on YouTube and so then the second I found out I could get paid on YouTube was like I could be part of this community and a part of this discussion because that’s what I was addicted to is just like I was talking to people from all around the world you know but you weren’t you were making you weren’t necessarily making vlogs you were milking I was just making like rants like it just like whatever videos I could think of and I had no idea you could make money and it was just like what funny idea could I make and that’s when I found Philip DeFranco and I was like this kid has like his own show that’s why I was so shocked I was like is this like is there a network behind it cuz he had this like little intro with some music and he had this little phone he had this little the philip defranco show and I was like it seems like a TV show on the internet but it seems like he’s just doing it by himself and there’s I think he had 60,000 subscribers at the time and I was like that’s more people than live in my town and this he seemed like a kid and he was like 20 21 years old it’s a lot of countertop that’s a lot of countertops to be doing and so I was like I can talk like that like I watched a show and I’m like I can do that I can you know say funny things and you know and so he had this he uploaded this video like I’d watch like two or three of his videos and then like the next day he uploaded this video tied this video titled how to get a popular online show or series and I was like yeah how that’s what I want to do I want to do that and he had a contest that said submit a video as a video response and I’m gonna pick the top five that I like and I’m gonna promote you on my website and I was like oh dude this is great so at the time I was just getting into being a radio DJ and at the the night DJ he gave me this segment called the rant of Shay where I could call in and just rant about something so I I came up with this rant about hand sanitizer that I called the he-man German it’s like you know how no hand sanitizer says it kills 99.99% of the germs what about that point oh oh one percent that’s the one germ I want dead because obviously he’s the strongest germ if I kill all the other germs and he’s still left he’s the germ I want dead cuz he’s the one that survived the apocalypse with the drain sanitizer so I do this big rant about that and submit it to Phil’s video and he liked it and he put us on his website there was five of us and it was like there was a week for people to come watch those videos and vote on who they liked the best would we know any of the other five that at the time no I think they’ve all faded away and losers yeah okay more committed vote I think I got second or third and everybody voted on the website I think cuz I think the guy who won had a thousand subscribers and I had zero you know I was like I was just on the website so I was kind of a nobody but this other person had like a thousand subscribers and so he won but I remember later I don’t know if this is true or not I talked to Phil and Lindsey and they’re like we wanted you to win we wanted you to win because it was like a poll where I would check every day I’m like I’m a second place I’m in second place and I I didn’t win but then you know later feels like he’s like I’m gonna promote you so he I think he sent me a message or something on YouTube it said hey get on AIM so we can talk I’m like what’s aim I had no idea cuz I just got this computer I had I had never taken a typing class computer class or anything so I remember googling aim I’m like oh it’s like a chat thing so we got an aim we started talking he’s I can’t give you a shout-out you said you should submit partner application to the partner program I was like okay okay so then he I remember the vlog because I think it happened like two or three vlogs after he told me it was gonna or his videos or his show and every day he would upload a video I’m like oh is this it is this it and it was and then finally he promoted me in one of his YouTube videos because before that it was just on his website and then all sudden it was like I got three thousand subscribers in a day and it was like I just spent all day refreshing YouTube it’s like refresh 20 more refresh five more and it was like this is amazing and then I remember getting my first check from Google Adsense for 300 bucks I was like that’s I’m like honey look I just paid for groceries doing this YouTube thing so did you start doing rants because that’s what worked or that’s just I mean that’s what I was kind of doing on that night show on the radio show cuz I was like well what am I gonna do like you know I didn’t know what I was gonna do so I just tried to think of like funny scenarios and and then I did a thing where I was dancing to my wife’s unitard and just whatever I could think of I one of my early videos is me trying to put this five gallon water jug on the water container blindfolded and it just like falls on the floor and I you know I I hammed it up like I fell down and there’s just five gallons of water all over our kitchen floor which I knew is gonna happen because I thought I’m not gonna just try to beat my wife and get it perfectly because I that’s not entertaining but if I drop this five gallons of water all over our kitchen people are gonna be like holy crap I remember all of these videos because we montage them together for the music video we made for you when you win a super note still one of my favorite songs but yeah you had a lot of material that was montage right he’s getting on his roof and yeah jumping onto a trampoline in his backyard and he has children on it wearing a unitard yeah this big fat guy for my toe and I think I mean that was the interesting thing is that a lot of people saw the mismatch of how big and fat and bearded I was and then how like cute and petite my wife was and it was like I had a lot of people I knew were very athletic yeah and that’s what was also ears like this 300-pound dude is like jumping on his roof like a ninja you know like how was he able to do that because I was always so athletic in school and stuff but I just gained all this weight and I think people really thought that we were like a scripted show like we were the real-life King of Queens and so people thought it was fake they thought like you guys this is like like lonely girl kind of because that’s like right after lonely girl had coming out that she was faking so I think a lot of people thought that our family was fake like it was a script like why would this girl ever marry this guy you know and so I think that helped us actually at the first well let me skip ahead and ask about that and then we can go back but I you know when you decided to start losing weight you created a shade loss channel now this is many years later once you are you know very well established well actually get a year something like you didn’t you didn’t start losing weight with that first year now that’s my fight Elda bunch yeah but when you actually did are losing weight was there a calculated decision or was there a moment of pause that this is gonna mess with my brand you know the thing that you were talking about it oh you guys this big guy who’s funny with the big beard and the little wife well you don’t want the little guy and the little wife you know kind of thing so I learned that the hard way I never thought about that I never thought that oh I’m the big fat loud obnoxious guy I can’t lose weight or I lose my branding I never thought about that I just thought I want to lose weight I’ve been saying I’m gonna lose weight for a long time and I was finally doing it and then I learned I lost a lot of my audience because of it I used to sell when I sold shirts I would sell a majority to three and Forex shirts like I would sell if I if I put some shirts online I would sell a hundred xxx shirts you know 50 2x and like maybe no smalls maybe a few so a majority of my audience were bigger and when I started losing much weight did you lose at one point I had lost like the highest that I mean that now I’m like 190 now I’ve packed on a few pounds of muscle but I was 281 and I got down to like 165 when I ran the Nashville Marathon so like a hundred and fifteen pounds total well and what did you see in terms of sales and what were the conclusions it was it like views definitely went down it was I instead of being the fat funny guy I was the skinny douchebag like I always would get that like oh you’re so full of yourself now Shay and I was it was like really hard for me for a while because it was like what like I just wanted to do this for my health like I wanted to be able to be there for my kids and be able to play with my kids and now it’s like I’m looked on as like this douche bag who just thinks he’s so better than everybody else cuz he lost weight and I’m like no I just I want to be healthy you know and I think what it was and I’ve kind of and I don’t know if this is 100% true but I definitely think that for some people that is true is that they saw this kind of big fat slob of a guy with this beautiful wife and beautiful children and kind of like what appeared to be this perfect life where it didn’t seem like I had to try it all it was like I’m just I’m the fun party animal can do whatever he wants and still have this perfect life with a great wife and good children but really it takes a lot of work to have that you know and it takes a lot of sacrifice and dedication and when people saw that it wasn’t as easy it wasn’t like this you know like movie kind of script it was like they saw the struggle and I was like I don’t know why I think people weren’t rooting for me anymore or something I don’t know but you know I I don’t make any decisions based on what my audience thinks you know I just do things that you know I think are best for me and my life and the health of me and my family and you know that’s what the vlogs are like we are who we are in the vlogs I mean anybody who knows me from YouTube and has hung out with me in real life I don’t know if you guys agree or disagree with this but I am the same guy as I am on the YouTube videos I’m just living my life and filming it every day you know so it’s not like I’m making these calculated decisions that will help my career because I would love to just make I mean sometimes I have this fantasy of like logging off the internet and never getting on again like mm-hmm seriously it sounds so appealing to me to go to the mountains of Idaho build a cabin and just never get on the internet again like to me that’s like that would be awesome yeah well let’s talk about that because there you know obviously there was a time and maybe it was just very natural at first to be like I’m gonna include my family in this because they’re here and I want to be with them that’s what it was it was just like this is great like my family can be my job because I get cused a lot of like you know expose yeah exploiting my children like I’m not putting my kids in the video so that my views are better I just want to be around my kids and if I’m doing a video every day where I can make money hanging out with my kids like that’s a freaking dream come true you know like me and Colette will be driving in the car and I’ll be like honey like what if I told you five years ago that I’m gonna have a job where we get paid more money than we’ve ever gotten paid ever and we get to be together as a family all the time and all we have to do is film we have to have a camera out for 20 minutes a day and then edit every day like that would be amazing about telling ourselves that five years ago and he’d be like I wouldn’t believe myself no way and that’s the reality of our life and so it was a way to make money so that I could be with my family and so it’s like I say about this you know like for instance maker studios when we moved out here four years ago and started maker studios if maker studios sold for a bunch of money and I made a lot of cash off the shares that I have maker studios to me it’s very tempting to just like disappear off the internet and just like cuz I’m not on the internet to get famous I’m on the internet to provide for my family while I’m with my family cuz that’s the most important thing to me is just being with my family and if I sold makers if maker studios sold and I made a bunch of money I don’t know I say that I would like to disappear and never gonna internet but I think I would miss it you know but I definitely would scale back and I wouldn’t share as much as we share ok well let’s let’s talk about that more but to take one step back I think that it seems to me that the whole daily vlog thing and that becoming your mainstay and and source of income and what it is was kind of an accident it was a second channel totally totally I mean how did that happen because shaycarl them the first channel it was more space yeah you would include your kids in that but when was the decision to start doing early vlogs so when I turned 29 years old I had been on YouTube for about a year I’d built up my shaycarl audience I think I had like 40,000 subscribers and it was always like coming up with skits and ideas and I was like oh man I’m 29 like this is the last year of my 20s you know what am I gonna do own I wanted to do something that was like monumental like something that’s like if I did this that would be crazy something like a goal that I could set it be like so hard to do but if I just totally committed to it I could do it I thought what if I made a video every single day for the last year of my 20s like I just say that out loud yes I just say that where Charles Trippy could hear me and then say you have to do it because I thought that’s what happened I thought you guys said well I’ll do it if you do it oh no no like I started it and then like a month and a half later he’s too well I mean I copied an Frank you know she wrote in her diary every day Charles he’s probably like my best friend from the internet so yeah like I just actually sent a letter to the Guinness Book of World Records telling them that I have missed days and that he is the longest consecutive vlogger even though I started a month and a half before Charles I’ve missed days in the last five years and he has not he has not missed one day in oh well I mean coming up this March will be my five-year mark and so I think he started in May I think he’s heard in May first so he started like a month and a half after me so I ever had to write a letter to whom it may concern’ at the Guinness Book of World Record company because they recognized you yeah they said well what about this everybody is claiming that shaycarl has logged longer than you but I haven’t vlogged longer consecutively I may have started before him but I um anticipated you missed um over the last last five years maybe 10 or 12 days maybe and I don’t like to admit that as a daily vlogger I don’t like to admit that and what has determined that it’s like you know where we had been like traveling and it’s late and I couldn’t get the internet and it was like you know the kids are cranky and I’m like honey I gotta upload this video and she’s like stressed and I was like I gotta find the internet because there’s the streak and she and finally it’s like okay screw it like my family is more important than getting this video up you know like my kids were miserable my wife’s hungry like I can’t you know make them wait at the Starbucks in some random town because I have to upload the vlog now it’s that first day though is there’s this is their this party this like you know what this is it I almost quit the vlogs a couple times because it’s like man I’ve missed I think there was one day when I missed two days in a row and it’s like you know what it’s over I’m done I’m not gonna upload videos like I’m not gonna do that daily videos anymore but then I was like no I gotta keep going but I haven’t missed a day I haven’t missed a day for like the last year and a half like I’ve been very consistent over the last year and have I haven’t missed any days there’s still something that you are doing yourself yeah I edit shoot everything oh yeah that’s a full-time so on when I can have editors though there was about a year and a half where I had Brett the intern and Denise vlogs edit my video you went back yeah it was it was it didn’t do as well when I had editors it lost some of the personal feel and I just I missed doing it and I missed adding and little things like they would edit and upload the video and I’d go watch it I’m like oh why’d you cut this part out and I remember having conversations with Denise one day I was filming Sun tarde at school and they were doing a play and she edited the video so that the play worked with the storyline but there was a moment in the play where the kid like forgot his line and Gavin like whispered the line Gavin son tard I don’t care you can leave it in Gavin whispers the line to the kid and then he’s like oh so then he tells the line so Denise edit it so it looked good in the play but like no I want the part in where he whispers the line that’s so cute and she’s like oh I thought you’d want the play to flow I’m like no I don’t care about the play I want to see him whispering the line you know so there’s little moments like like valley it wasn’t her fault or anything but just like things yeah it’s like I wish you’d have put that in and so then I was like I’m just gonna do it myself because there’s more of a personal feel and so I just you know I like doing it better like them and use have done better since I took over incrementally views have gone up I’m tangible tangible I mean yeah I can look at Google Analytics for the last 12 months every single month the last 12 months Shaytards views have increased where last month we had 22 million monthly views and that’s maybe the fourth highest viewed month in our entire history well having a having another baby ourselves so on one hand you’re saying you know I wouldn’t treat this occupation for the world I get to be with my family and make this my living on the other hand you’re saying I’m really starting to think if I had the opportunity or I’m actually maybe even looking for the opportunity just to stop cold turkey or to get out of it entirely so I’m interested in that dynamic I think here’s what it is I think I’m a little bit burned out to be honest like I think after five years I need a break and I think if I had a month vacation where I could go just wherever away from the internet because I have been on my phone on the Internet every single day for the last six years if I had a month where I went me and Colette talked about this the other day that coming March will be my five year anniversary and then on spring break whenever that is for the kids get out of school we’re gonna go for a week vacation a real vacation where it’s not like a YouTube gathering or like a brand deal or something where I’m going for work where I’m gonna we’re gonna go on a real vacation where I leave on purpose my phone on my dresser at home and then I get an airplane without my laptop and without my phone like tonight that freaks me out to think about that but at the same time it sounds like pure bliss it’s like I am just not gonna be on the internet at all for a week well that’s talking one week that’s different blend yeah I feel like if I had a month and it just kind of like got away from it I feel like I would want to come back cuz I do I love it I love making videos I love seeing the interaction I just at a point right now where it’s been every day for five years I’m like I just need a break and I so I think when I say like I would love to disappear into the wilderness of Idaho and never get on the internet again I think that’s just I just need a break so I think after I after this five years I’m definitely gonna stop the dailies after this five years and I’m gonna focus more on doing shaycarl videos and we’ll still vlog probably four days a week but I’m gonna you know not have that strict of a schedule where it’s like and on Sundays that’s after March 5th after we hit that five years I am NOT even that’s my goal as I’m not gonna get on the Internet at all on Sundays because I still upload a one-take video on Sundays where I just film a one clip I don’t read it and I just upload it but I’m still on Twitter and I’m still reading and I’m still in the comments because I can’t upload a video without reading comments like I’m I’m always reading comments so that’s gonna be the new rule after the five year mark after I get that you know five years of daily vlogging under my belt Sundays that’s my new rule for life I’m not getting on the Internet at all and so are you fearful of the at that moment no I’m excited about it but then like my family questions me like yeah right Shay like you you won’t be able to do that like I tell my brother like I’m gonna go on this month vacation not get on the internet he’s like he says he doesn’t believe me thinks he’s like you’re not get on Twitter you’re not gonna Instagram anything you’re not gonna read comments I tell myself and I’m not I don’t know I’m excited it’s like it’s like a new part of me that I have an experience in the last six years not doing a daily vlog you know talk about the toll the challenges for you and your wife and your relationship and your family then the chin just what kind of toll does that take on you as an individual and as a Wells as a family it’s interesting because I mean the vlog is a huge priority in our family I said when I come home tonight from the podcast if this house is spotless then I’ll take you guys all out to a movie and get a treat tomorrow so tomorrow I know what will happen is I’d be like dad I’m like they’ll come to me and they won’t say dad is the time to go to the movie they’ll come to me they’ll say dad is the vlog up yet cuz it’s like they know I can’t do anything till the vlogs up so it’s not like you know also there’s like I feel like a big commitment to a lot of people like a lot of people who watch our videos they really rely on them so I feel like this huge commitment to these people who’ve supported us for so long over the years watched all of these videos bought our merchandise supported anything we’ve done it’s like I have a huge commitment to them you know so it’s like first and foremost is my family but then it’s like the Shaytards are a family you know all these people who watch our videos were kind of like a proxy parent for a lot of these kids there’s a pressure oh yeah it’s a huge pressure because like kind of toll does that take on your relationship I mean I imagine you edit out the the arguments right yeah well like this is a funny conversation we have with Charles and Ally were like all at the end of the night I’ll go to import the footage from the day cuz I just I like to have it all imported in the timeline so that when I wake up I can start to edit and so I’ll be importing the clips I make honey you only got one clip today you know like there’ll be those fights she’s like I’m sorry I was busy and it’s like those I’m like honey this is our job it’s so easy all you have to do is turn on the camera for six minutes like four clips for one minute clips you know like we’ve gotten in these pretty heated conversations she’s like well I couldn’t cuz I do that’s Mike babe just turn on the camera so I didn’t feel like vlogging like honey this is a dream like you realize how many people wish they had this job so we’ve gotten fights like that you know and are you thinking at that moment I should be filming this argument right but people would love that people would love to see that but no like you don’t I don’t wanna turn on the camera when you’re fighting trials and Ally actually tell me that when when they’re yelling one of them was hurting the camera on just so they stopped so it’s you’re not gonna yell at the camera when the cameras on you know but it’s but it’s that but there’s that you’ve drawn the line because there is a principle of the same reason you didn’t put the watercooler on the first time that you made it dramatic more appealing there is a more entertaining way and it’s what cite its buenas also what separates what you do from say a reality yeah that because you’re the producers the drama yeah so here’s how I think about that because I think people would love to see me and mommy tarde fight just because people love gentlemen I mean our humans human specie that’s why reality TV does so well I just feel like there’s so much of that already that they don’t need it from us like I feel like I want the Shaytards to be a place where they can come and always count on having uplifting positivity optimism happy cheerful people too you know cuz I feel like there’s so many kids today that just have a cry me I read the comments and I just feel like crying like my dad just came home drunk again I wish I I wish you know che and Colette were my parents and it’s like they just live in these lives that are their parents are fighting all the time they go to school and they get bullied you know they have all these horrible experiences and they can come home and get on the computer and have 15 minutes of just pure happiness silly time where I’m wrestling the kids throwing them around and you know when I could leave those arguments in there but I just feel like they’ve dealt with that all day long you know I want to I want to be a place where they can always count on coming to have a you know to go away being like ah I feel better now like it’s interesting that your reason is for what it does for your audience but there’s also the reason I would imagine that you want some privacy right and when you’re fighting right you’d rather just get it over with and exploit it for entertainment value like hold on honey I’m gonna yeah let me turn on the camera and you should have you know yeah exactly exactly and at the same time okay so I have this like saying that’s not my saying but I’ve kind of adopted it the happiness is a choice and that’s a very literal thing that I learned because I had to turn the camera on and be that happy guy because there’s days where you know I mean it’s so ridiculous to even say but everybody wakes up in a pissy mood everybody wakes up like ah I don’t want to do it I don’t want to vlog I don’t want to turn the camera on and be like hey guys okay what are we doing you know and I just like I’m gonna quit I don’t want to do this anymore but it’s like okay so I turn the camera on and I smile and I sit up straight and I breathe deep it’s like hey guys I’m blah blah blah and I do the clip and it’s like a two-minute clip and I turned the camera off and I’m like I actually feel better like I physiologically feel my my body feels better just because I sat up I took some deep breaths I smiled it changes how I feel and I’m like that’s like a choice people like happiness isn’t a choice Shay I’m like it is I didn’t I felt like crap before I turn the camera on and after I did that vlog and tried to be funny and tried to you know joke around my kids I really felt better okay Shay you’re making it too happy what I’m trying to get at here is what is the dark side you just want the dirty stuff so one time my girlfriend’s dad ripped my shirt you know like it’s it’s funny but like we might we’ve come so far like I think there’s been like fights in the past and stuff with me and my wife but we’ve come so far and experienced so much that like there is no downside of it like I I’m constantly just conflict or fighting but I mean the how does it affect my kids yeah that I constantly take their temperature on that I’m always like you know I hold Gavin aside or when we’re driving I’m like what do you think about the vlogs cuz the second that it’s like I feel like I’m forcing them to be funny on camera for YouTube that’s when all the fun stopped you know it’s like I’m not gonna be like get up here and be cute you know what I mean it’s like if they don’t want to do it I don’t want to force them into it but it’s totally the opposite like I am reining them back because they they want to be in more videos they want to start their own channel and I’m just like uh it’s just Jess I know the comments out there you know and it’s like Terms of Service I just keep saying you guys can’t tell you’re 13 it’s a rule I always say this is a dream come true of a dream I never knew I even had it’ll be the most interesting part of this is to see what my kids will turn out to do in their lives you know if they’ll all be entertainers or but they all say they want to sing be performers but I much like you can do whatever you want you don’t have to do this and do you anticipate that whatever it is that they decide to do will be public knowledge because yes it’ll be on the Internet that’s what I get worried about cuz I it’s like I just see if I foresee a day when one of my kids writes a book about this whole experience is like you know baby TARDIS Emmie I imagine Emmie reading a book saying my life has baby tarde you know it’s almost like a character online you know they are the same person but it’s just like online persona that has been created by me for them and I kind of joke sometimes like well if you’re raised on a farm you got to go out and milk the cows if you like to or not you’re born in chez Karl’s household you have to be cute on camera you know like I say I would never force them into doing that but it’ll just I always say like you guys can do whatever you want and I’ll support you and it’ll just be interesting to see what they decide to do and it seems like you know you’ve developed a little bit of a margin or freedom to be able to say you know what guys we could stop this and this isn’t necessarily your livelihood at that point you know with the success that maker studios is right right so that’s that work I mean it’s great to not have to worry about money anymore and I’d hate to talk about money because it’s just like you know people don’t I don’t know there’s like some jealousy some people get it’s like they’re they’re happy for our success but some people it drives them you know it’s like the comments come in like well no we’re all not lucky like you Shay to be able to you know it’s like clever working my butt off for the last five years and I believe in you know that I don’t believe in a scarcity complex where it’s like a lot of people feel like if somebody else succeeds that that means then there’s less success in the universe for them like if you succeed that means I can’t succeed it’s like there’s plenty for everybody you know and it does feel good to not have to rely on the daily vlogs for money anymore you know we’ve got to the point where we’re totally debt free all five of our kids college education is totally set like we have utmost like we just fill out all the paperwork so like we’re in a very comfortable position and the reason we don’t do the daily vlogs for money anymore it’s just because one like I want to hit that five year mark and like I said I have a lot of responsibility to that audience those kids who have those crappy lives who I see those comments every day of like if it weren’t for you guys I wouldn’t have gotten through my senior year or you know like just there’s so many stories of kids that I just it’s sad to find out how many bad parents there are out there of parents that just don’t support their kids and just fight non-stop and but from a livelihood standpoint so you’re doing it for them and for the five-year milestone but from a livelihood standpoint your position at maker what’s your title I mean as a founder writer whole founder but it’s like I don’t run day to day at maker like I go into maker studios like once a month I actually try to stay away from because it’s just like every time I go in there it’s crazy so I I just make my content and we have a sales team who they’ll they’ll call me with brand deals or like hey here’s a deal so-and-so we just did one with urban shredder Hot Wheels so you know have it this is a deal for your channels yeah yeah for my channel then also as a founder I mean you were able to say ours there’s times we go in and vote like on the board like if you know there’s current things that are going on right now that like I’ve had to go in to like discuss like changes in you know leadership and maker studios and stuff like that but I don’t I don’t have any say or I don’t want to have any say in like day-to-day operations at maker I just want to focus on creating my content and they’re a great resource all my merchandise has done throughout arcade I have like contact people for all the things I want to do we have a cartoon I there’s an animation department or it’s like I call them up I’m like hey let’s do this cartoon I want to be a Viking and so then they have writers and animators and they put it all together and I show up and do the voice-over and then they create the videos and upload them and then you say they but I mean it’s the beauty of it is is being a founder is that it’s weaved you know yeah it’s my company you know like I I’m like I want to do this but if if those things do well then it’s like you know like like for instance negotiating the contract for the split between my channels and maker studios is kind of this catch-22 because I’m negotiating for my channel but maker wants to get a bigger cut that’s kind of like me because I I’m a maker yeah so it’s like I get a cut of the cut that makers taking so there’s weird things like that but it makers exploded you know like there’s 400 employees there no and those are 400 jobs that didn’t exist four years ago they weren’t even in the marketplace four years ago and so that’s cool like my grandma was just in town because we had this new baby and my mom was in town and I took her on maker studios and she was just like wow you know and I’m even that way when I walked through there I’m like I don’t know how fat these people and how did that have a mean the start of it it was kind of forged through friendship with you yeah Danny and Lisa it was out of necessity like we I flew out to LA to help them with a brand deal they had a brand deal with Fox I think to promote crank to that movie with Jason Statham we’re here to keep his heartbeat above a certain rate and Danny called me and he said hey I got this brand deal we need to get like five different youtubers to make videos for this deal we can pay you $2,000 and fly you out to LA and we’ll shoot help you shoot an edit this video and I was like yeah dude that would be great coming from Idaho so I flew out to LA Cillian if-if-if right and I would have said yes to that brand deal with you then we would should have hindsight’s 2020 you guys could be rich – you came into town and what you brought in a few peopie came into town we made that video and I was like this is so awesome they brought in a few people oh yeah like they’re like hey we’re gonna start this company and so I phil was like on a road trip I’m like dude you should move to LA cuz he was living in Georgia Atlanta at the time and he was on this big road trip he was doing like meet and greets all over the country he stopped in LA we had moved to LA already so we hung out and like dude were starting this company you should join it they got shane dawson Kassem G you know all these people it’s like let’s join let’s start this company which promote each other’s called the station yeah that was the name of the the channel was the station but maker studios always existed as a company but the you know the the channel that we’re all going to be part of was the station and so yeah like I remember when we started the station and start uploading those first videos it would like exploded like we all gained thousand subscribers over like a week’s time because it was like everybody was pushing in and then ever and then it pushed out you know it’s like everybody push their audience into the station and then in in Reverse like all that audience pushed out and subscribed to all the members of the station and that’s I mean that’s kind of like so but it was basically let’s Danny had the Fox deal and he was like let’s form a business around that well let’s form a partnership where we can keep doing this together because we’re powerful because with our views exactly together so yeah that was like the first you know I came down we made that video and it was like wow all these youtubers working together cuz before that you there was collabs on YouTube but it was like people would email clips to each other right this is yeah as far as my knowledge the first time where a bunch of youtubers came together and we’re like in each other’s videos like Danny shot that video for me and then Lisa edited it and I had no editing knowledge like I was on move I movie maker you know like Windows Movie Maker and I was horrible at editing and they had Final Cut Pro and they had like a boom Pole and I was like they’re so Hollywood they have this microphone on a stick you know I was like holy crap before that like my wife is holding this digital camera and we had no idea what we were doing so that up the quality of my content because these were people that had been making videos for longer than me and so as we’re they’re making this videos for Fox he’s like I’m thinking about a business where we all make these videos together and we’ll help each other and like we’ll come up with ideas for each other and we’ll act in each other’s videos and we’ll help each other edit and shoot and it’s just like this little community of youtubers creating content and we’ll just like kind of help each other out I was like that sounds great that sounds like a lot like that’s gonna help me and so that was you know the idea after this video that we shot and I moved home I went back to Idaho after like being in LA for three days and I told Colet I’m like let’s move to Los Angeles and she’s like no you know no way are we moving to LA because this I had we had been doing the daily vlogs for two months and started to get the checks for the daily vlogs and that was when I was like this is my full-time job now that like two months after doing the daily vlogs that my checks jumped like huge it was like all of a sudden I was making more doing YouTube than I was doing my granite countertop business and so it went from this this YouTube thing is helping us pay our bills to this is the biggest this is our this is I’m making more money doing YouTube than granite so I’m like I’m done doing granite and I just dove into YouTube with everything was like ever I’d slept and breathed YouTube you know any any YouTube gathering that was happening I’d go to I read I’ve read probably a hundred thousand comments you know just like an alts wrote a book Allen D Stroh wrote a book member allenl estufa oh yeah he’s a youtuber they talked to him today did you he did not yeah Jessie oh yeah for dftba yeah he wrote a book I read that book from cover to cover like you know I’ve I’ve read like three YouTube books you know just because I wanted to know every in and out you know it was just it was a dream come true of a dream I never knew my even had made the alliance’s from the beginning of the station AKA maker as a company who would have known that it would have turned into this oh you know you at the time never in a million years I’d never a dream that we would have four hundred people working at maker studios but it goes from let’s help each other get views and then let’s work on brand deals and sell against that – oh let’s we can sell against this entire audience for even more brand is and the money just starts coming in yeah I it’s it’s it’s just the nature of the internet you know the Internet has exploded that much in the last four years that it was just great that we started at an Internet company you know but I’m interested in the dynamic of having to become a businessman you stay you’re not involved in the day-to-day of maker yet you kind of have to come out of the woodwork and be the spokesman when things hit the fan right imes you know I mean Danny’s not involved anymore there’s I mean I don’t follow the ins and outs of these things but you know with the whole raywilliamjohnson kind of thing that was like what what is happening then you find yourself in a position where you are the spokesperson for maker studios right which is never a position that I like asked for but it I think it was just the nature of that I made videos of my life every day and a major part of those videos was this little family that lived in Idaho moving out to Los Angeles California to start a business and so it was very public you know it was like something I talked to the audience with him like hey guys you know this is when we lived in Idaho I’m like we’re gonna move to California and start a business with some of our youtube friends so we were very transparent about that whole process so it’s like oh yeah Shay Carly’s going out so anytime somebody wanted to check in on the station or check in on maker studios I’m making a video every day of being a part of that process so I think just by default I somehow become the face of maker studios so the day that I hear that raywilliamjohnson is tweeting all these things and leaving maker studios because of his contract I was never even there when he signed his contract I had no idea what his deal was or what the negotiations were but the second that he comes out and starts 20 min he’s leaving maker studios all these tweets come pouring in hey what’s going on with raywilliamjohnson like I don’t know I have no idea I’ve met the guy like twice in my whole life and ever he’s like thinking that I should like speak up and say something I’m just like I have no idea what his deal is what what the contract is or any of that so it’s like you know I’m getting all these tweets and it’s to the point where I’m like well I don’t have to say anything about it but then it’s like so many tweets it’s like if I don’t say something about it then it seems like I’m hiding something you know because it’s like well you’re shaycarl you like you went and started this company it’s all in the video so I’m like I guess I got to make a video you know at that point I just I you know I just try to stand up for my friend and the company that I started and you know I don’t I don’t I don’t have any hard feelings for Rey you know they had an disagreement and Danny diamond is not the easiest person to get along with I think that’s no that’s no secret but that’s one thing I love about Danny Danny diamond is one of those people that’s like if you’re his friend he’s like the best friend that you’ll ever have like you want him on your side but if he’s not your friend you hate him you know it’s like oh dad Danny diamond guy but if you’re friends it’s like he’s the strongest friend you’ll ever have you know and he’ll back you up any day of the week but if you’re not for with him then you hate him you know it’s like ray I mean you said you met ray twice yeah I literally have met ray william johnson maybe i met him once at in new york at the seven eight-nine gathering where he just came up and we had like he knew a guy that I was friends with and so we talked about that it’s literally like shook hands and met the only night that I’ve actually like hung out and talked with Ray as one night me and Kassim and Ray went to the viper room and saw wax perform which is like a this guy that’s a rapper and then afterwards we went to Ray’s hotel room and like hung out for like an hour and just talked but other than that yeah like I’ve met ray like I said three times you know but I I think Ray’s smart man he’s smart and he’s you know he knows what he’s doing I mean my questions aren’t really getting you to dish on anybody anyway it’s more of being everyone don’t you link no it’s how you find yourself in a place where like you said you have to you have to speak up about these things as well it’s like I remember I was in junior high I was friends with Sean T Bronson and Jody Eames and Jody hated Sean C and Sean C hated Jody these are two sounds like girls names but these are like real friends of mine and yeah so if I hung out with Jody Sean C was pissed like why are you hanging out with him I’m like cuz I like we get along and we play sports but Sean C was like my skater friend who had long hair and Jody hated Sean C because like he’s such a punk so it kind of punk hairstyle and but I like skateboarding and skiing so I liked hanging out with both of these guys but I was like I was always in the middle of like oh if I hang out with Shanti I can’t tell Jody and so a lot of times with like YouTube drama I feel like that’s the position I’m in cuz I feel like I’m friends with everybody and I have no problems with people because a lot of you know this whole process a lot of people were young you know and they’re like kind of figuring out who they were I was a 27 year old man with three kids you know it’s like I already knew who I was so when all this like quote-unquote drama happened I was just like oh you know it’s like I’m just kind of stuck in the middle of it you know that’s like I have to kind of like play like you know play nice everybody and you know then sometimes I just get sucked into it because you know just by association you know where you were you did you find yourself in the same position with it when the whole Danny thing went down that’s a different I mean that’s an ongoing thing right now so know how much I want to talk about that but I mean yeah I mean I I still hear it yeah I mean yeah I mean I probably shouldn’t talk much about that I mean we’re still friends and friendly but there’s just it’s a tale is all this time man it’s a big company you know you know it’s like money and success and it splits people up I’m still friends with all these people but it’s it’s it’s cost a couple friendships and relationships just because of the nature of Pride and grieve and you know all those things so and and it’s not it’s just like any fight ever nobody’s right my dad you always say takes two people to fight you know there’s always two sides of the story and you know usually each side is a little bit right and it’s just you know people just disagree my buddy Dave Ramsey says and like maybe you guys might not agree with this because you guys are a partnership he has a saying that says the only ship that sinks is a partnership do you guys ever find yourself getting into fight does rhettandlink ever fight about business we’ve cut we’re kind of beyond partnership at this point I tell you guys telling stories about third grade like you guys are or first grade if you want to go back then I was listened to yeah like somebody punched you and it’s a form of marriage you suck up yeah yeah well it’s vice versa if I have to split hairs he did stand up for me Jonathan right John Carson were coming after you yeah John Carson yeah so maybe it’s more of like you wouldn’t take the partner business partnership but you and Colette there’s a partnership there that’s a marriage partner for sure right now not married but it’s somewhere between the two and here’s the crazy thing about Danny and maker studios is I would have ran the business a lot different than Danny did I would have grown maker studios a lot slower I would have tried to like lay out a good foundation if if it wasn’t for Danny makers who just wouldn’t be where it is today maker studios is huge in this market now because of the way the Danny built it and it was just like explode like you know it’s a gold rush and he was right you know in this industry at this time it’s like it’s happening so fast I would have done it a lot slower he was just like we need to get more people we need to sign more channels just like more advertising and all these big plans and like whoa dude let’s just slow down and like just work on some good YouTube videos but he like he had this mind like we gotta get marketing we have to have this department and he would we’d always tease him because he would just go off on these tangents these rants and he would be like pulling his hair I was like a mad scientist of the internet you know it’s like we’re do this and this I’m like whoa what do you mean a sales team we have like 10 sales people win like why and now we have that so um Bish’s he was a visionary you know where I was going like he saw he saw where it was going and you know you gotta hand it to him like maker studios is a huge player in our industry so he because of today today the CEO is a nun who is a former CEO of Endemol which is a production company out of Europe and he’s running he’s running things now and he he’s a great guy I really appreciate him and he’s done a lot of good things from maker as well it’s like Danny it was like the you know the mad scientist who had the idea and got it all going and then all sudden we have 300 employees and it’s a major company and he’s never been a CEO before so it’s like he doesn’t know how to like run these meetings and how to like get HR together and like we’re learning all this stuff like there’s insurance in 401ks and like all that kind of stuff it’s like we’re just kids who are making YouTube videos you know so it’s like all this money like Time Warner put all this money in and it’s like we don’t know how to do all this like it’s like the thing that outgrew us you know so it you know when Danny left when he stepped down a CEO that was actually a good night I remember we had a big meeting went over to his house and it was like we did it like we got it to a point where this majors were bringing in this major guy who’s a CEO of this giant company who’s now gonna run this company that we just started off of a whim four years ago and it was like good job we did it and then you know other things have happened since then but um yeah it’s it’s a it’s a success story if you ask me like who are the other founders that are still in that we know I know Lisa Ben Kassim Ron hi I’m Ron and then Danny still owns shares I might get in trouble for some of this stuff I don’t know what I’m supposed to be this really suits your lawyer here no this is not being recorded dudes talking about our life right yeah right I tell you about this time that I made out with my girlfriend and her mom this is just perfect time for four hours now we can wrap up but I mean family man we all have not any children to get back home to yeah I mean I will say you know to be staggering success in four years and watching it happen right from the sidelines makes you better know it is amazing to see what has happened at maker and you know I think it’s fabulous it’s cool I think it’s you know a rising tide raises all ships I think it’s good for anybody in the business you know it’s you know the more that we get you know as far as like I hate saying you know what people always like when people start taking youtubers seriously or what’s the word uh come on you guys where’s your vocabulary here uh legitimacy yeah yes thank you uh link I love you it’s like when you need to sneeze when you can’t think of a word it’s like driving you crazy and you say that word that you’re trying to think of it’s a good sneeze thank you achoo uh yeah like I feel like you know the more stories of Time Warner investing 20 20 million dollars into this industry it legitimizes all of us and it shows you know mainstream Hollywood that you know this is the new form of entertainment and you guys are great at creating that and you guys were you know pioneers of that who have done TV you guys have your own TV show or had your own TV show and are still making great content this is the future because that’s that’s a question I always get asked is like okay now that you’re you know you have this YouTube success when you’re gonna get your own TV show it’s like well I don’t want a TV show I want to be a pioneer of this brand new exciting thing that is converging on entertainment right now and be able to talk about this ten years from now and be like remember when you know well you’re certainly that I you know so back to this whole when you hit the five-year mark you said that you could if I told you you know what Shay I can see the future and at that five year mark that’s gonna be it you’re gonna you’re gonna turn off the vlog faucet there’s not gonna be any more videos from you or your family you could believe me I would be okay with that scenario like I wouldn’t be sad about it but I just don’t see that realistically happening I feel like our family will be on the Internet in some capacity for a long time I think if I’m realistic with myself I think I’ll always be on YouTube I think I’ll always be one as long as it’s there and as long as the audience is there I think I’ll always want to create things and just have that outlet you know I just I need a little break I think having a coming at the tail end of five years of uploading a video every day I think after I get like a month of just like fresh air and can like back away from it I think I’ll come back refreshed and more excited about it than ever you know well that being said thank you for spending two hours with us yeah yeah this has been good it’s fun I’ll listen I’ll listen I hope I don’t listen to this later and be like I always say that you guys are just so disarming so handsome and I just want to talk to you guys one thing that’s the key and why did you guys make me sit on the floor alright grab that sharpie why don’t you sign up oh cool we’re a roundtable of dim lighting Harley took up a giant part here look at all these people you got Tyler Oakley Hannah Hart grace where’s Phil’s signature I love your faces were right there I’m gonna can I write thanks for the shoutout yeah yeah do that I’m gonna complete the circle and there it is the conclusion of our epic conversation two-parter with shaycarl yeah you know I found it very interesting more than interesting sure that he was he’s at this point where he could stop this like you know he actually there’s a part of him that wants to stop there’s an impulse to want to get out I mean he said if he could cash in on his his portion of maker studios that if if that could happen that he he might just walk away from the whole the whole endeavor of being on the Internet but then you know he backtracks on that he starts to think about the impact it would have on his audience and the impact that it would have on him as a creative person so I I mean he’s he’s certainly still processing that I don’t think the headline will be Shea is quitting but it could be Shea’s cut Shea thinks about it sometimes or a lot of times well I would assume that those of you who have tuned in to this two-part series with shaycarl right here on ear biscuits who are Shaytards fans this might be you might be shaking in your boots a little bit if you think oh the five-year mark comes and these won’t be daily or whatever I’m sure you’re gonna want to let your voice be heard you know there’s ways to do that we’re not we’re not encouraging you to go bombard the Shaytards with comments of saying please don’t quit because I think this was this was Shea just being honest I you know I appreciate his honesty about everything from his his belief system to the decisions that he made to start the family vlog why he continues it his candidness about maker studios I mean you know this guy has lived quite a life and there’s there’s a lot there and he was very he was he wasn’t guarded about any of it I really appreciate that and I’m empathetic to you know the impulse to want to quit when you do something every day for four five years yeah yeah you know I mean give the guy a break I mean that’s one of the reasons we have seasons on good mythical morning is because you know it’s we like variety and we like to him and we do a lot of different things on the show and we and we know people want it to come back but we stop it because we want to like it because when we like it you like it you know I mean when we’re having a good time you have a good time if you do anything long enough it it gets old I mean I think about late night television hosts like Kimmel Fallon all those guys you know that daily grind if I got to do this again even though it’s like a dream job it’s difficult my grandma nanny Lucille is a late-night show host is a late-night show host in Canada no she folded shirts a t-shirt factory in Lillington North Carolina for her entire working life Wow just that job and it’s a main folder main shirt what in it I’m gonna have her come over just fold shirts for you know do you know how those dress shirts you get will have like pins everywhere and then there will be some of this is inspected by number 279 she was a number she was one of those numbers and she was she would also put the pins in the shirt and things like that the factory sits closed but her and her younger sister ain’t Vicki who she lives with they both work there their entire working lives and she was always so happy yeah it’s just this mentality of well this is my job I’m shirt folder this is what I do and I come home and I fried the chicken and I live my life I think it’s generational I mean yeah we live in a time where everybody thinks that they have to do something that they love and you know and we encourage that I mean we get to do something that we love and we tell people to go do something you love but I think the the stark reality is that for most of the world you have to do something that you can do that will pay the bills yeah and you know it’s a privilege to do anything that you even enjoy even just a little bit is a privilege you know so it’s not a right it’s definitely not it right yeah so I’ll say I’m empathetic too you know Touche and him having him doing this and being true to the commitment but I don’t think what you’re saying is that family vlogging and shirt folding are the same over time he can feel the same I think it’s what I’m what I’m saying and what I’m saying is that he still gets to do so as he acknowledged he gets to do something that’s absolutely incredible that it’s a job he isn’t folding shirts but you still might get tired of it even if you love it you might get tired of it yeah and you know I mean that that brings me to say we’re thankful to have the opportunity to be able to do this show to be able to reach your ears in this way we counted a privilege to be able to have these conversations with Sheikh Karl and all of these other fascinating personalities from the internet to be able to understand what makes them tick where they come from that’s what your biscuits yes and this is probably a good time to announce our new project an all new podcasts are coming out with called folding shirts with rhett and Link just gonna be a lot of shuffling noises in some mild conversation and the occasional oh I just pricked myself with a pen yeah Sony look for them he will be part of it yeah she’ll be here we’re gonna bring nany she recently recovered from a choking incident she’s okay now and she’s gonna be folding some shirts with us it’ll be awesome look for that look for that on the horizon in the meantime keep enjoying the ear biscuits they’re gonna keep coming down the factory line every week [Music] [Music]