EB 123: “Childhood” Throwback Episode

[Music] welcome to ear biscuits i’m rhett and i’m link this week at the round table of dem lighting we are gonna be throw back into another episode in that means um we have ran out of time and we literally have run isn’t it well i i’ve said throw back it i’m making all types well we’re gonna we’re gonna play an old episode we’ll tee that up in a second because one i can’t speak well enough no uh two we don’t have a second before you have to run out and and have another data point plot point in the the neighbor potential litigation saga well i haven’t i mean i haven’t even given you the update from the very first story which i’ll which i’ll do here in a second but yeah so we’re gonna actually play uh this is a repeat for those of you who are longtime ubiscus listeners we usually don’t we’ve never done this but we’re doing it because we want to give you something rather than give you nothing so we’re gonna be replaying uh the very first episode of your biscuits we ever did that was just the two of us episode 22 it was called childhood released on february 28th 2014. yeah we tell a lot of stories of that uh some stories that end up being in the book i like talk about me spending the night at other people’s houses you talk about some of your other best friends well it’s the first time we got really personal and i think it was i think is even if you listen to it i think you might find it interesting to listen back to it to see how um you know some of those stories were seeds for the book or maybe the style of the podcast that we’ve settled on now which is much more of us pouring our hearts out to you in in the dim lighting of just being here with each other it’s the first time we did it so how did it feel then how does it feel now um i don’t know what you’ll learn if you’re if you’re re-listening to it but if you’re listening to it the first time i think you’ll learn a lot about us personally that we didn’t get into anywhere else yes so enjoy that but because we just don’t have we got to you got to take care of that and then it’s just and then we’re getting up in the morning and heading to our next tour of mythicality it’s just kind of a crazy moment guys yeah there’s we thought we were gonna have time to record a whole episode sometimes this happens actually this is the first time it’s happened um but we’re gonna give you a little something a little something new um so you know i told you about this now again i’ve been very careful to not be disparaging about my neighbor even though you’ve tried to egg me on because there is the distinct possibility that he will somehow end up listening to this and i but i’m very honest in my assessment that my goal all along has been to have a congenial neighborly relationship with my neighbor in spite of the disagreement uh that we are having because of this tree yeah and i agree the way you truly win is by being his friend because because he doesn’t want to be your friend if that is your perspective that’s my personal about winning that’s great that’s my perspective not yours uh if the lawyer i want to i want to have a good relationship now what you don’t know your biscuiteer is that uh since that initial i’m gonna take your tree and put it in your driveway if you don’t get it out you have one day which i didn’t do that was followed up by a letter from a lawyer i i received a letter from a lawyer oh your own lawyer i hope uh no it was from his lawyer that’s worse yeah that’s interesting that you would even question that uh but it was from his lawyer our lawyer letters us all the time that’s how he likes the community it’s it basically said that uh you have until a certain date to get this tree not only the tree the tree the sprinkler that goes to it and the light that goes to it out of my client’s yard oh wow uh and if you don’t we will be forced to use every you know everything at our disposal to you know to do because you’re violating a certain penal code basically broke out the word penal which always sounds a little dirty but um so basically what i thought when i received this letter is like okay this is escalated and uh what i did is i responded to the lawyer who knew it could escalate by the way with a letter that i wanted him to pass along to his client and uh the summary of my letter is that you know i am more than willing to remove this tree this light in this sprinkler from my yard because i am much more interested in having a congenial neighborly relationship with my neighbor than i am having a tree next to my driveway which happens to be in his yard but i must say that i’m a little bit confused by the fact that he wants this tree removed when his entire front yard is a collection of trees and he also has this exact tree multiple places in his yard already there’s no one no one who came into our yard would know that’s not his tree all of this isn’t a letter you just talking to me now no i said that in the letter but i said i said it in a nice way i basically said i’m a little confused why he wouldn’t want this tree and i think that maybe something else has happened that i don’t know about that has upset him and i am what i want to do i think you’re on to something with that what i wanted to do i said i want to sit down and have a conversation i want to have a face-to-face conversation where we talk about this and we find out exactly what he’s upset about so it could be rectified uh i said i’m sorry about the fact that i trimmed the tree from his yard that was you apologize for the thing that was encroaching on my yard and then i put the clippings on the curb in his yard knowing that i was going to get my dudes to clean it up but i apologize for that again said that’ll never happen again and did you say you wanted to have that face-to-face conversation in court no i said so i sent this this back to the lawyer and the lawyer responded to me and said uh thank you for your professional and kind letter nice uh i really hope that the two of you can get together and work this out so it wasn’t he did not respond with well you’ve got until this date to get the tree so the date passed uh i gave my information to my neighbor in the letter the letter via his lawyer and then he texted me and said uh hi i would yes i would like to meet and he suggested a time and uh that is in uh my wife is actually calling me because that is in 40 minutes i’m going to be there let me let me take this call he’s taking the call right now okay he’s backing away from the microphone to have a semblance of privacy but of course if we listen closely we might be able to hear a little bit of it i can hear that she’s talking but i cannot understand anything she’s saying all right can you go i think they’re just trying to figure out where they’re going to meet to then be together when they have the meeting so what are you trying to name her can you can you can you go to an atm and just get money there’s money they’re talking about money i don’t know what has to do with any of this maybe they’re gonna bribe him that’s just me talking though that’s just me being funny yeah i’m actually in the middle of recording a podcast right now telling her we’re owning a podcast right now um and that she’s not no i mean my end of the conversation is on it and then she came back so can you just pay with that and then we’ll figure it out and then i will meet you uh i will meet you at the place yeah i was about to say the place and the time but then decided not to because you’re listening he’s off the phone now he’s back okay that was my wife what you talking about money for are you gonna bribe the guy uh no she was um it’s confusing i don’t know she’s she’s got her nails done and she doesn’t have a way to get to pay are you serious yeah yeah so she’s gonna use the company card and then we’re gonna have to you know we’re going to have to call it the account and reimburse the company for her nails we just need to make a video about her getting her nails done done it’s a business expense okay so you know all that to lead up to the fact all right you know what we just made it a business expense we’re talking about it on air biscuits okay done i won’t reimburse you’re saying that my wife’s nails are on the company and again if if uh if any of the IRS people are listening um if that’s legal they’re not they’re gonna listen and if they’re not listening then that was a joke yeah uh so i’m having that meeting and uh and and your wife’s nails are gonna look good for it yeah that gum yeah it’s it’ll be the two of us i actually think that shepherd is going to be there because that is uh i think the shepherd is going to be there and if we we’re going to give him a phone and kind of set him up Jessie said we’ll put him in a different table oh gosh different table with the phone that can’t is that a good idea no i’m staying out i think you know what i think nope don’t even answer the question i think it humanizes the family a little bit you know this is just a couple of look we have a small human that lives in our house right yeah just trying to he’s just he has his own the human species so anyway i have a lot of confidence that we’re going to be able to come to some sort of uh congenial conclusion well i really feel that way you know i i hope so but i i just want to go ahead and tell you that i also wrote him a letter via his lawyer yeah so he might have a little more information than what was in your letter and what you’re going to share with him i believe that no i don’t write letters that’s that’s so archaic no but i mean this is uh i got to tell you so so that will be another subsequent ear biscuit that oh my gosh or it might be broadcast live on court tv does that still exist if it just doesn’t if this doesn’t pan out so i’m interested i want to be on the people’s court does that still exist can i go can i be at a table with shep and and like be recording it on my own video no can you record it with a voice i honestly don’t know how i even feel about the fact that i’ve been sharing details about it i mean yeah i can tell you’re second guessing it and i’m like because it’s not probably it’s probably good no no no no because you you want to make entertainment it’s all about entertainment nothing’s at stake for me except being entertaining but like i actually i i care about this relationship not just the fact that the guy is you want that tree to stay there seriously i don’t i don’t care i i’m 100 honest my wife probably wants it more than i know i i believe you i’m just giving you a hard time for entertainment purposes but lawyers i mean they’re listening and there is a chance that when i sit down with him tonight he’ll say um i actually heard you talk about me on your podcast and i mean that may not make it i mean but even though i i believe that he said what he did i have represented him truthfully and i’ve represented my intentions but we found but we found it humorous and he may not be able to do that that’s true that’s true we like we but we like to find the comedy in everything you know what life does life taxes yeah death is funny not really politics not really religion but you can die in a funny way yeah i hope to die i think that’s why we joke about death so much is because we don’t joke about politics or religion or anything controversial so we could just turn to death and farts yeah death and farts that’s that’s a mild sexual innuendo that makes some people feel uncomfortable that’s our mo oh man you know what um are you gonna or you gotta order a drink you know what are you gonna order well it’s a coffee shop i mean what are you gonna order uh a decaf tea and are you gonna is it gonna be that awkward thing where you’re both in line and then it’s like you want to get into it but you’re gonna be having to order so you’re gonna be in line with the guy you gotta think about this you need to get there early go ahead and order and be seated and he might be thinking the same thing i need to leave now then and then you’re both in line together no matter what so you might need to be late so he already has his drink and he’s seated or you need to look through the window and if he’s already seated good if he’s not there good this is a good point because you don’t want to pre you don’t want to pre-talk you don’t want to pre-talk in line because you know you’re not going to have to talk hey i’m going to get a drink real quick and then we’ll sit down but what if he’s in line then i’m not going to talk to him you’re going to stand next to him in line and not talk to him i need to go right now i got to figure this out okay what i got to go it’s time right now i’m not going to need to decide i’m going to figure it out on the way it’s a half hour drive just if he’s already seated down you’re good but if he’s not i’m going to give him i’m going to give him i’m going to give him the nod and the point that i’m going to get my drink and i’m going to sit if he’s in line listen this is if he’s in line you just sit down and say you know what i’m not going to get a drink i’m not really thirsty and then you you’ll be seen like a freeloader which is what he’s already accusing you of oh man you’re screwed you better get out of here yeah i’m going bye oh gosh oh gosh i am so freaking nervous for him not really though this is gonna be so entertaining when we hear about it i can’t wait and we’ll share all of it if you never hear about this again boy that must mean it went really wrong that he can’t talk about it at all i should show up and film it through the window and over dub it like we could get like bad lip reading i love that channel we could get them to like over dub the thing that would be hilarious i wonder if we’d have to share the revenue with his neighbor hmm i wonder what his wife’s nails are gonna look like i bet she got some sort of like tropical thing you know how they do that these days they’ll like put it’s not just colors on nails anymore you know it’s like scenes they’ll do like palm trees and coconuts and mai tais and coconuts there’s whole youtube channels dedicated to nails man i wonder if we could get into that you know start doing nails on our channel Jessie rhett’s wife could get in on that totally justify using the business card hmm i could really come up with something here but you know what that’s uh i forgot you were listening for a second um but yeah i’m going to tee up this childhood episode 22 back from man 2014 man that’s like that’s like almost four years ago it’s crazy to think about i don’t know see how it hits you let us know hashtag your biscuits once that thing is done um i might come back and and say a little something to you at the end of it but first before i do that i want to show some love to our sponsor your biscuits is supported by hello fresh hellofresh is a meal kit delivery service that shops plans and delivers your favorite step-by-step recipes and pre-measured ingredients so you 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wild ride of in-depth conversation between the two of us right okay so involving some twitter questions as well yeah i i think the thing that we have discovered about your biscuits is that it’s been fascinating getting to know uh all the people that we’ve talked to and we just have a feeling that because there is or are two of us there is two of us there is two of us we are going to take advantage of the fact that there is two of us and we’re going to talk to each other because i’m kind of operating on the premise that we know each other incredibly well and we have discussed a lot together we’ve also incidentally discussed a lot on the internet people know a lot about our lives but you but i still believe there is quite a bit that i don’t know about you and that you don’t know about me and maybe things that need to be rehashed and i don’t mean like let’s go back and you know open up old wounds or maybe i don’t know maybe that will happen dig up the buried hatchet no i don’t think that will happen um but maybe you’re saying that is there a challenge here that we’ll see if we can learn something new about each other while the audience members out there that’s where i think learn about us and the intimacies of i think that’s the way they’re working the magic is going to happen i’m not kidding because yeah we thought about okay we we wanted to do a semi-regular episode of your biscuits where we talk to each other so i will say at the beginning uh depending on how this goes how we feel about it and how you feel about it uh we’re going to do it again if everyone agrees that this is something worth doing so you can let us know yeah let us know on uh twitter uh hashtag earbiscuits but we’re not changing the course of your biscuits no no no i do want to clarify we have a lot of amazing guests lined up and that’s going to keep happening on that will be the vast majority of what your business is all about right so every now and again we just want to if if this is something fun this is something that works for everybody maybe we’ll bring it back so once a month or every so often i don’t know we’re not committing but and the last thing i’ll say before we dive in and starting to interview each other is you just yawned i’m just gonna pull a glossell i’m calling you out i’m already bored with you what is up with that don’t do that man it hasn’t been that long of a day um i love my job i love what i do and one of the i mean it’s a privilege to be able to just dream up things and do it and to have you listen to us and enjoy hanging out with us i mean i’m sincerely thankful for that uh one of my favorite parts of the job that i think is highlighted here in this exercise here is we get to try new things it’s you know the analogy of just throwing stuff at the wall and seeing what sticks and i think this is just another example of that it’s energizing from a creative standpoint to try new things and just to see what happens i mean that that’s the key to success and maintaining relevance in in the world of entertainment anyway i mean for us to be as successful as they have been and i feel like it’s trying to keep your head above water and maintain relevance and you just have to try new things and see what what works so that’s exciting to me it’s energizing doing the same thing i’m not doing it i’m not doing this to be successful like i’m doing this because i care about you did it sound like i was saying doing it to be successful no i mean no i mean people might think that though what i’m well what i’m trying to say you’re just saying it’s like it’s a creative endeavor to to try to think and trying to innovate and i’m just saying that originally we were like well let’s do let’s do a near biscuit where we just talk to each other at first i was like let’s just shoot the breeze you know let’s just do it when we talk and see what the conversation goes but then it hit us just like no the tone of this show is inquisitive right it isn’t just two guys building on ridiculous ideas like we do every day on mythical morning it’s inquisitive it’s like there’s things that and personal it’s personal and it’s inquisitive and that’s what we’re going to do so what we have done is we wanted to when we do a show like this a special edition of a red link only ear biscuit we want to make it themed so uh we decided that let’s just talk about childhood okay now we’ve done this thing where we talk about people’s childhood and their career and all this stuff maybe we’ll get to all those things with us but we wanted to start with childhood so we’ve come up with some questions for one another but we also prompted our twitter followers link did this and i did this earlier we said hey do you have any questions for the other that you want us to ask one another and so we have a collection of questions that we’ve come up with and a question a collection of questions that you have come up with and we’re just going to go back and forth and see where this goes yeah that’s us we’ve never interviewed each other i’ve asked you questions yeah i’ve asked in life i’ve been like where you want to go for lunch yeah kind of questions that you did that today and we went to that place i got huevos rancheros very good we went to that place i still taste it okay um is that your first question no because lunch is over it’s can you still taste what you ate for lunch see i can i cannot um i think this is a good place to start we’re gonna i mean this is not my question this is from bob saget has swag on twitter oh i thought that was bob sage it has swag uh tell the story of how you became blood brothers um not really a question but we’ll go with it anyway would you please tell us the story what if i had that it would be polite um okay so the story of us becoming blood brothers i i think we may have mentioned it in places but i don’t know that we’ve ever fully unpacked the true story of the blood oath pact which it really happened that we really made uh in high school so and it has been uh catalogued or uh represented in our documentary that we made uh years ago called looking for miss locklear where we kind of tell the story about the blood oath that we made and in the movie we reenact that and we oh we say we went back to the same place no we talked about how we went to the rock right now we didn’t see the blood we might i don’t know where we talked about it we talk about things all over the place but this is going to be the definitive place to tell the story now right um i really think it starts with the cow pasture don’t you i mean that’s the location of the blood oath so i think that’s the starting point yeah so we we grew up in bowie’s creek north carolina near uh a country club not in the country club we weren’t those kinds of people so don’t judge us we were outside of the country club very near to a place called keith hills so this is a golf course yeah a an 18 hole at the time golf course and what hole was it that was on the like the far edge of the golf course hole three it was whole number it was hole number six oh it was hole number six which is now uh it’s they changed the back nine in the front nine so it’s whatever that would be it’s the six hole the back nine so i guess that would be whole number 16. i’ve never played golf i’m glad i’m honored that you’re asking me uh hold number 15. so you’re like asking me math plus golf and my mind is blind it was hole number six and i’m just telling you this because it’s the old number six and if you have if you happen to live in the area if you go down there and it’s a par four that goes up a hill and then to the right there’s a creek and across the creek there is a cow pasture that was constantly filled with cattle and this was more attractive to us not that we were attracted to cows i mean we did grow up in bowie’s creek but that’s not what i mean we were more attracted to the cow pasture than we were to the golf course especially link yes okay that’s true so what we would do is we would um after school i mean we had been like 16 years old because you would we would drive our cars i know we would ride our bikes we might have been 14 or 15 when we started doing this but we would go out to the cow pasture no it was a middle we started in middle school because ben greenwood was the one who came up with the idea and we were really active with ben in all throughout uh elementary school and especially middle school so our favorite hobby was to go across the golf course across the stream into the cow pasture and chase the cows uh it just uh you just called bowie’s creek a stream just so you know that was bowie’s creek that was the creek of buoys really you called it the stream i did i did not i never knew that i’m per you didn’t know that until right now i’ve already learned something i didn’t know that was bowie’s crew that was bowie’s creek wow it ran behind my house and then it kept going all the way through keith hills and then so nothing is more exhilarating in the town of bowie’s creek than having a herd of cattle flee your presence and it’s just exhilarating to do that until the farmer shows up and chases you off but there was a pond there that the cows would get in and around the pond there were some rocks one of which was a very big rock within i’m talking it was probably a five foot tall boulder it was big it was it was obviously a rock that had been dug up out of the ground you know those farm ponds that are completely rectangular and they have two hills of dirt on each side of them because they just dug it out with a big tractor so this big rock comes out and a little rock beside it and for some reason we and this is what we talked about in in the intro to the film was we devised this plan where we would just have these long drawn-out conversations after we were when we were resting from chasing the cows we would sit down on the rock and we came up with this system that whoever was sitting on the big rock would have the floor to talk and then the other person would sit on the small rock and listen and can only ask questions to keep the conversation going we need that here on your biscuits it was very much a bigger chair and a littler chair it was very much like a near biscuit wasn’t it well it was it was kind of like this and then after a while we would you would have your time and then you would trade spaces and the person would sit on the big rock and they would have the floor to dictate the conversation i want to be clear here that our conversations i i don’t remember a whole lot of details but that is what we’re going to kind of talk about is what we ended up talking about our conversations were uh probably if we were to go back and listen to them now we would be we would laugh at the what we thought how we thought the things that we said to each other but we weren’t just talking about what it was like to be in middle school we were talking about the future we always talked about the future we were certainly talking about girls at times um we would talk about what you would imagine that kids would talk about look at that big cow what but we would talk about something like that yeah what if what if that cow could fly would you ride it you know what if what if i i don’t know just stupid very amateur middle school uh you know philosophical questions but the thing that strikes me as they were very future oriented as well yeah we would talk about dreams what it was that we wanted to do and and i want to be clear here that you know we grew up in bowie’s creek which was an amazing place to grow up but it was not the kind of place that you just naturally uh you didn’t think about careers in entertainment or comedy you didn’t know anybody who did that kind of thing so there wasn’t any real sense that that was going to happen but we decided one day that we started talking more about we wanted to do something just this big uh something that we didn’t know what it was but we wanted to do it together right when we grew up we wanted to yeah and um first of all i’m sure this whole future orientation is something that knowing you and knowing myself better now i can pretty much bet that this that whole future bend is something that came from your mind because you just always that’s how you think whereas the whole system of who was talking when and how we how we talk you came up with that the rules of analyzing questions i’m sure that was probably my idea i can’t remember but just the way that our brains work differently i could see how that would come together but yeah we would we would talk about what what are we gonna do what are we gonna do we’re gonna and it wasn’t we didn’t talk about entertainment at first i think we did we certainly knew we liked to entertain and show off and and take advantage of any audience that we could find but the i but we can’t but we had the idea to do the blood oath without saying okay we’re definitely going to be filmmakers it was let’s make a blood oath that we’re gonna we’re gonna be teammates in creating something we’re gonna be like business partners in whatever we do that like yeah we’re friends now but we we have a sense that we’re gonna we’re gonna like make something big i don’t know what it is but we should probably write it down and then well if you’re gonna write it down we should probably cut ourselves and sign it in blood i mean and that’s what we did we took two sheets of paper out there we wrote down we wrote something that was i mean unfortunately i’ll go ahead and tell you uh we don’t have these sheets of paper anymore as sad as that is and in fact link is the one that would i lose everything or i used to lose everything you’d lose things more than now than i do now but back in those days you collected everything right but you don’t have the the paper but i can attest to you that it it did exist at one point and we wrote something that was like we’re gonna do something awesome and we’re gonna do that something awesome together now let’s cut ourselves and do you remember how we cut ourselves i think it was like a shard of glass that was like laying in yeah it was like it was like a sharp piece of glass in the dirt yeah yeah it was this is not advised by the way and we cut our palms yeah you should cut your if you’re going to do a blood all you should cut like prick the end of your finger why why cut your freaking obviously i’ve established that we were misguided but and i kept that thing in my wallet for for like two and a half years yeah and then i lost the whole wallet that’s the problem oh that’s what happened with you i lost the whole wallet yeah yeah i just went home and probably set it down and then you know my mom threw it away but it meant a lot it meant that i meant a lot the idea i was definitely committed to the idea uh yeah so that that was the question from uh bob bob saget has swag that that’s the story so i guess from that point on it wasn’t necessarily something that we talked a lot about but there was always this guiding principle that was well it’s in blood yeah you know we don’t have to talk about it all the time to know that it’s going to happen yeah we we we’ve got it we’ve got to stay committed to this amorphous idea that we’re going to do something together something big the word big was definitely in it now are you going to ask me a question now yeah you want to go first i’m going to yeah i’m going to move there’s another question that i think is is good for for the both of us to discuss kind of like that but i want to move this into a more one-on-one okay place um it’s a little weird yeah this is going to be strange i like it though um now when we first met we met in first grade i moved from north carolina i mean i moved from california to north carolina and i met you at the time you were at bowie’s creek elementary school do you think i forgot you know are you i’m just for the benefit of everyone listening and uh we met on that first day and you know there’s a movie about that um but you were living with your mom and your stepdad jimmy at the time right which was in bowie’s creek now jimmy capps before that where did you live i’ve never i don’t know this before you moved in with jimmy where’d you live my mom and dad split up when i was two years old and where were they i don’t remember i was two they weren’t i do remember well i know i don’t remember uh my dad was a farmer at the time like a tobacco farmer and boone trail now which is like i mean you know you lea between lillington and sanford there’s like nothing out there except fields and uh you know some of those were my dad’s and then a trail yes so and there’s um so that’s where i was born and so but my i mean my first memories are my mom got remarried to jimmy and they were friend they were like friends from like high school and yeah so they had known each other for years and then they both went through a divorce and then i think rebounded they both had they were in the rebound marriage together they’re not together now when i was 13 they got divorced but my my first memories are in that house that where you met me uh with jimmy and my my house in bowie’s creek his daughter so but where but your mom okay so you were in boone trail and i remember i guess i remember the house that i was like born in where my mom and dad lived i’m pretty sure and then where did you where did your mom live my dad still live after the divorce from your dad i’ll explain why i’m asking this in a second um i think that she moved into a trailer in my in her parents like next door to her parents yeah in andrew and andrew i asked i asked this because i’ve never thought about this yeah it’s this is pretty it’s kind of crazy to think about too um i know why i was in bowie’s creek you know what i’m saying like i i came to bowie’s creek because my dad got a job at campbell law school teaching law still teaches law at campbell law school until this day um and that’s why we moved from thousand notes california to boost north carolina and i never really thought about the fact that like you were in bowie’s creek because your mom married a guy who lived in bowie’s creek yeah jimmy had a house and that was and i just want to point out that that was that was the seminal moment you know if your mom had been like you know let’s just stay here in boone trail or i’m going to stay in andrew or she had not had a romantic connection with her former high school classmate jimmy capps you would have never been at bowie’s creek school because i always wonder i was like what i i didn’t know why your mom was in bowie’s creek you know because it was a or why jimmy was there because all of my family is in literally places yeah yeah no family i mean within 15 minutes and we can thank jimmy capps for this there would have been no blood oath if there hadn’t been a jimmy capps we should call him right now i don’t have his number okay i mean i remember the number that when i lived there it’s probably the same number okay well i’ll just put it out there and then anyone can call it if they want to do you remember the number my first phone number where we were friends this is a really good question because can you remember a phone number no but do you no i think this is something that younger people today will not will not uh understand we knew everyone’s phone number like i remember leslie people’s phone number my all the girlfriends one first girl now there was a speed dial but yeah you had to basically know everybody’s phone number because you had to punch it in you couldn’t pull it up on some smart device okay i’m gonna give you the number with it we can bleep out okay nine one uh zero uh eight nine three nope that’s close though that’s pretty close i mean that’s amazing i have not dialed the i have not dialed that number since what what year uh for like 25 years and i almost got it right yeah but i did get it right but do you remember my phone number which is still my parents that’s easy i’m not gonna give it to me it’s still your parent’s phone number i don’t want to have to beep anything out it’s too much work you know that you know it though yeah i’ll definitely know it you want to call it right now yeah but i call the time talk to your mom okay we just we just we have a connection that’s good me and uh mom and dad we call her diane uh but it’s weird it’s we i mean your parents are still together it’s it’s weird having your first memories and growing up in a house where i know this guy’s not my dad he’s just a step dad who like i didn’t have that much of a connection with him it was like it there was this feeling of well you’re not my real dad you’re just my stepdad you’re my mom’s uh husband so we’re not gonna be that tight you know he still spanked you though but he he he and he should have and he needed to the times that he did he probably should have done it more than that but we weren’t that close and it was this thing of okay i have a sister but she’s not really my sister and i don’t like her and i don’t like her even more because i can i have permission to like her even less because she’s not a real sister and i don’t have to really love jimmy i can just either like him or not or tolerate him that’s kind of what i grew up in and that was that’s all i knew but it was i mean i was certainly envious when i go to your house uh as a youngster and like oh look at this happy family there’s two brothers who are real brothers and both the parents actually live there and they uh they drink milk for dinner we do isn’t that nice we’re drinking a lot of milk that’s why i’m six foot seven and i remember thinking well i’m going over to a house where there’s like an intact family like there was a sense of you you thought you thought about that yeah and i was like i guess if the parents are still together you drink milk for dinner well and you know that and i hated milk it never crossed my mind i i never thought like i never was like i wonder this is kids don’t think about this i think kids nowadays think about this because they’re more like in tune with what everyone’s feeling because of the internet but i definitely didn’t think about that i never thought i wonder how link feels about this does the fact that you know i have a dad and mom who lived together how does this affect him and i also did not ask the probably the more important question which was how does the fact that he lives with a step dad affect him i mean we didn’t even talk like you didn’t even think about that nine years old you don’t have you don’t have these type of uh deep conversations matter of fact you don’t have them until you have an ear biscuit without a guest well but you know the sad thing and you know this uh probably by the time when this your biscuit comes out my parents will not be in that house that is sad because i have a lot of memories of of uh you know being jealous of your family in that house no i i wouldn’t say i you’re moving on my parents i don’t think that i was jealous but um and jimmy wasn’t a bad guy remember he built that fort oh yeah for me and uh really for us like you were pretty much the only friend that came to my house and we would walk out i went to a lot of people’s houses not to make you feel not to make you feel bad i went to your house more than anybody’s but i was addicted to spending the night at people’s houses i would they would i would meet a new kid at school he would be there a week and i would invite myself to spend the night with him i don’t understand why i was just like hey dude can i spend the night at your house can i look in your refrigerator and see what your family’s like i i think it’s a i mean it’s a personality thing but also think it it may be a sense of security i was absolutely terrified to stay at anybody else’s house i mean that one time that we had that sleepover at adam nicholson’s house and he and he showed us texas chainsaw massacre and then afterward we walked around in the dark in the woods and pitched black and we’re like in fifth grade yeah like i was terrified man and then i opened his refrigerator and it was like wow there’s a lot of food all over the place in here the refrigerator was scary i was my refrigerator fascinated by him was was very neat and very orderly and that made me secure as secure as i could be but i guess i was still i didn’t have the security of of of comfort of of uh to be able to leave home but we had that fort it was basically just you remember it was just two trees i remember it with two two by fours connecting between the two trees like eight feet in the air it was probably five feet in the air but we just felt like it was really tough well is it kind of for that you get you you get up there and then you sit there and you’re like well what do we do now and then you get down come back down right because but jimmy made that it was awesome to be out there for a few seconds um okay i should ask you a question at this point um did you or do you resent your dad no oh no finish the question let me finish the question do you resent your dad for all the basketball drills he made you do i i i really want to know how you feel about that today i know we’ve talked about the fact that your dad was basically the the impetus in in both of us going to engineering instead of going to film school which by the time we were graduating from high school that was the application of the blood oath was let’s go to film school at at unc asheville and he was like no you need to do something sensible rhett and i’m like well okay i’ll do that too um but he wanted you to be a basketball player in college and he made you do all these drills like how there were there was a span there when i couldn’t you’re like oh don’t come over to hang out until i’ve done my drills so i’d have to wait two hours how much you were being groomed to be a basketball star well for nothing do you hold that against your dad for nothing that’s my question well that was a statement from for nothing question mark um you’re not a basketball player i was one heck of a basketball player at one point though and i could still beat you well first first before you give you at least category characterize the amount of work that you put into it and and how your dad was involved yeah okay so you know uh i was tall that’s well-known fact i still am uh i was athletic that’s disputed at this point but i was very athletic played all kinds of sports and was successful at them and loved them and was very competitive still am competitive but um i i wanted to succeed i mean i had an older brother three years older than me uh two years older in age and three years in school and we were very competitive we played a lot of basketball we were a very athletic family my dad was very much into sports and so we were too um so as soon as i sh i was self-motivated up to a certain extent i was very self-motivated uh eighth grade i i you know i wanted to be the basketball star when we got to high school all i could think about was getting onto the the jv team by the end of my freshman year i’ve been put on the varsity team to play in the the state playoffs and i was in and i just thought i mean it had definitely been ingrained in me that listen like you can be a basketball star you can uh pay for your college this way and you got to understand that you know from a very young age not only was i interested in basketball but i was the ball boy one of the ball boys for campbell basketball i remember how much i was in the campbell basketball yeah went to every single game i was a ball boy along with my brother and brooks lee and michael jubie and um i wanted that really bad it was like really important so when high school rolls around and then it’s just like okay now you’ve got to get good so that you can get recruited and play college basketball my dad my dad was not he he was uh he wasn’t overbearing it was i mean he he has that kind of personality and people see that he you go to a basketball game my dad’s there he’s going to yell at the ref he’s going to yell at the coach he’s going to yell at me if i’m on the court no i don’t know something about my personality i never it never hit me until later in life that like that should have been embarrassing like to have your dad yell at you to do something differently from the stands in high school in front of everyone like most people would be embarrassed by that but i was just listening like your pants up i was like looking at him and then the coach would coach gage would have to tell me he was like don’t listen to your dad listen to me you know what i’m saying and i was just like oh okay i you know so there’s you didn’t care i didn’t care i wasn’t embarrassed by it and then he would be like you need you know you need to do these drills uh you need to do the 300 shot drills so i would do things where i would shoot 300 shots a day how long does it take to shoot 300 shots i i don’t know i got ball and i had ball handling drills uh and first of all you gotta understand i was actually i was very naturally talented and did a lot of work but i didn’t do nearly as much work as a as a guy who actually ends up being a great player it does but he got like the strength shoes yeah so rat had a in his front yard he was basically at the at the end of a dead-end street not really a cul-de-sac but you had your dad put a basketball goal out there and then so you would play on the street because it was the end of the street but then i i remember coming over there one day and under the basketball goal there were three increasingly larger sized boxes boxes made out of plywood oh yeah and and the and the the painted burgundy and the tallest one was like four and a half feet tall no it was big enough to for for a white man like me to jump up onto and from the ground i was like right what’s this and then he’s like well i it’s my strength shoe boxes and then you had these shoes it it shoes shoes that looked like the starship enterprise turned upside down yeah it was a shoe but then it had a platform built off of the toe of the balls of the feet but just the toe so that your heel was suspended in air and you were forced to only use the balls of your feet to run around yeah it sounds like a torture device right it wasn’t it was supposed to work it was supposed to increase your vertical i couldn’t jump but i was tall and it didn’t really matter it was supposed to increase your vertical leap and your quickness and all these things you know my dad also had the big ball you remember that yeah big basketball it was a ball that was a few inches bigger than a normal basketball and if you could shoot with the big ball then you could shoot with the regular ball you know the interesting thing sidebar my dad is still into these devices my dad is a prolific golfer he plays once a week and he’s probably gonna he’s gonna retire soon he’s gonna play all the time and he wears strength shoes he has if you you know you’re watching tv and you see a a a device a golfing device being sold my dad has that like every single thing that you can buy every contraption every driver he has all of it and every time i talk to him he’s like i got the so-and-so so it’s the thing that’ll make you break your wrist in the right place and so i see that going back and i and i’m the same way you know he’s composing the gimmick the gimmicks yeah he’s into the gimmicks he’s into the things being compulsive about that and so am i but the your question was do i resent that i don’t because there were long hours i mean you would have to wear the strength shoes and jump up on the box jump down jump up on the bigger box jump down jump up on the third big box jump down i mean this is like it whenever i came to visit you it was like man it’s like going to uh uh like a a torture camp like guantanamo i i i i honestly can say i i don’t resent it i mean here’s what here’s what happened i worked pretty hard a lot harder than most kids work at their sport probably and i was good at it you know i had a lot of success i had the opportunity to play college basketball i turned it down so we could go to nc state and be engineers that’s kind of a different story but the the idea of being taught that no you have to work hard you have to practice you have to devote x amount of hours to this if you’re going to be better than everyone else at it you’re going to be the best yeah because this isn’t just some hobby right this is like do you want to be the best at this and i just think that’s how my dad thinks and that’s how he taught me to think and so i think that the the long story is that we ended up getting and we started this band the wax paper dogs and we thought that we were going to be rock stars and that immediately took me off of the basketball track and i was like i don’t want to do this superseded the basketball aspirations yeah because i was like you know i’m not going to be in the nba i wasn’t that good you know i might go to like a lower level division one college and basically just be a basketball player but i’m like i’m not going to be able to play music and what is link going to do because we wanted to go to the same school and the blood oath yeah the blood oath i mean the blood oath and my dad accepted that and he and i know that it let him down a little bit because he wanted one of his kids to be a college athlete i know that for a fact and i had and my brother was very good at basketball too and he could have played at a smaller school too but he ended up going to carolina he wanted to um you know go to a good school and get a get a real degree and so i ended up doing the kind of the same thing and so i know that that was a disappointment but he never let me know it he never said it he never said anything when i decided hey i’m going nc state so no i don’t resent it it wasn’t overbearing it was just he’s he’s an intense individual but uh i think i needed that i i i remember kind of watching from the side well literally watching from the sidelines i was certainly was no basketball player um but not only that but watching from the sidelines of this whole drama of are you going to be a basketball player and we didn’t talk about this blood oh thing when we’re like juniors and seniors in high school it wasn’t like man you can’t be a basketball player because we signed a blood oath like a couple of years ago but we did talk about it a little bit because remember we went through that whole phase we talked about unc asheville because i was being recruited by unc yeah but i i remember thinking that i i just couldn’t it’s not like i could make an argument to convince you that you shouldn’t be a basketball player you know uh but i remember being nervous about it it was like well you know we had this kind of vision for what we were going to do and it was being threatened but it was just something that i couldn’t i couldn’t press but i also feel like when we made the decision to be engineers um we also kind of concurrently made the decision i think passively that this bloodo thing was probably just this like we’re going to be friends forever yeah i i because i think that it the practical really overpowered the dream and we didn’t have a lot of opportunity it was like we’re not going to film school that seemed like the only shot that we had at this i’m not going to move to los angeles you know i’m not going to well we didn’t even talk about that no it wasn’t we didn’t los angeles didn’t exist we didn’t know a person a a person who had ever moved to los angeles i had moved from there as a child but no we didn’t know anybody would move there to do anything not one person we never discussed it yeah yeah it was totally off the radar so i i just think we you know yeah and as engineers it was the type of thing that yeah it was just okay yeah now we’re just going to do this but we’re still friends yeah yeah and listen i i don’t want to i also want to isolate this conversation to childhood in high school and i don’t okay we can talk about the the career stuff sure let’s let’s move it back a little bit do you have another question i have another question for you um and that question is why did you care about school because let me premise that with i cared about school because i was scared of my dad as we’ve established love my dad respected my dad i was fearful of my dad uh because he did not put up with you know he didn’t put up with a bad performance including grades and so it’s just like i was always a straight a student except for conduct i had problems in conduct but i got straight a’s into subjects and if i made a b it was a it was a really big deal you can’t make a b in the mclaughlin household that’s a failure right so i carry that all the way through high school all the way through college and never made let’s see always made a b that was the worst i ever did but you did exactly the same thing i actually probably were a slightly definitely a better college student than i was and a slightly better uh high school student why why did you care i was just naturally smarter than you no um i don’t know i i think i i just felt like and it wasn’t this well if you’re gonna do something you got to do it to the best of your ability it wasn’t uh an external um value that i was taught um but i think it and i don’t know that it but on the other extreme i don’t know that it was kind of a people-pleasing thing but it was like okay if i mean i mean i’m a student i’m supposed to do the best that i can i i it was just but if you hadn’t brought home a series it’s just an approach that was your mom would your mom would have been disappointed but that would be the end of it no my mom was not a disciplinarian in in any in any way really i mean uh i was her only child you know and and the only child she would ever have i think that she had that sense so you know i was the baby it was there was not a lot of discipline going on or um so she was not driving me to do it but it was something that i’ve just always had that uh and i don’t think it’s a good thing by the way that i just felt like well okay i’m just supposed to i just i have to be good at this and i so i don’t i don’t even think i know i think now there’s what were you scared of though because i wasn’t scared of anything well i would maybe just feeling like a failure it’s like if you don’t do your best you just feel like well i just kind of like but if i’m gonna do this i have to i have to really try i wasn’t trying to please anybody so i don’t know what do you think well i guess you have a theory no i don’t i just it and i and it hit me recently because then because i know exactly like i said i know exactly why i never slacked off right there was my parents both both my mom and my dad they just instilled this fear my mom used to say all the time like even as we were going off to getting ready to go to college she was like now you’ve gotten by with straight a’s in high school just because you’re smart but when you go to college everybody’s smart and you’re really going to work so i remember that first semester me and you roomed together and we just studied our freshman year we just killed it all the time you know 4.0 freshman year and at a certain point you realize that you didn’t care that much and it didn’t matter i never had that realization like you’d be out you and greg our roommate you’d be out playing video games and i would be studying for like four more hours because just a blind sense of obligation to well if you start it you have to finish it and you have to do as good as you can if you don’t do the best that you can do you’re robbing yourself of something i mean maybe my nana kind of taught me that if you’re gonna mow grass don’t just don’t just make sure all the grass is cut make sure it’s cut the best it can be cut because i cut all her neighbors yards and that she said don’t half-ass anything the only time i heard my nana cuss as a kid was when she told me that don’t half-ass the grass don’t half-ass the grass it’s the only time i’ve ever heard a cus uh uh as a kid now she’s just you know she’s found out she doesn’t care neither do i but i don’t know that it she instilled instilled that i think it i think it was i don’t know i don’t know it was just i just if i can’t do it i have to do it and i’m going to be a failure if i don’t um no i did yeah because it didn’t hit me until by college by college it was a i got to make the best grades because that that links directly to getting a good job and i’ve always been anxious about money i don’t think money was related to grades at a young age though i should i should give you another question you should wasn’t it weird watching horror movies with your mom i i know that as a kid she would like put on hellraiser and watch it with you but and you’ve kind of talked about it as isn’t this funny and like you come from this like really conservative family and but in this particular area it and that was kind of the joke that your mom literally when you were in middle school watched hellraiser with you she would go and run a video videos all the time and then you you’d watch horror movies with her yeah and and after that texas chainsaw massacre i’ve i i wouldn’t watch a horror movie for until i graduated from college i think the deal with my mom is that she took the uh the most motion picture associations uh guidelines very very very s literally it said parental guidance you know uh so she guided you in front of the television to watch it with her yeah yeah as long as she was there you said no razor’s not pg dude no no it’s restricted it says parents strongly cautioned it says you know uh children not permitted without their parents but that means you are permitted with your peers i think what age were you when you saw hellraiser with your mom middle school man and what was that experience like because of something because for me that would have been the worst thing ever i i loved it then i love it now my mom my mom is this you know my mom she’s the sweetest lady she is the she is first of all she’s the sweetest lady but she’s she’s still very conservative and but she has this part of her which is dark side no no she likes that kind of thing and she’ll she called me she she texted me a couple months ago whenever this movie was in the theater and she was like i just watched insidious 2 in a theater all by myself so it you know she she’s this this me not me not only meaning she didn’t have a date like your your dad didn’t go with oh my mom goes to movies but there was no one else in the theater she was the only one and then and she said something like it was so scary but i loved it so and i’m i totally relate to that she she she instilled that when we invited all of our friends over here for uh my birthday to watch the conjuring well well that that’s the point you want you had to get together for your birthday and that was the idea it was to get a bunch of grown men together and to scare the crap out of them and watch them act like little children and that’s what they did it was embarrassing i was embarrassed for half of those guys now i was scared out of my mind but i loved it i don’t know it’s just we it’s we like thrills like that in my family and my mom has just always been like that was it weird no it was awesome did it affect me negatively i don’t know i still like horror movies but it turned out okay i went to my dad’s i had visitation every other weekend and i and uh he pulled i remember he rented lethal weapon two which has a sex scene in it and uh i guess by the time the sex scene came on and i was like in third grade or something and he didn’t you know it’s like you just let it roll regular speed regular i watched a lot of sex scenes and fast forward with your mom a lot of really quick thrusting yeah oh gosh because that’s horror movies there’s got to be the sex scene lethal weapon too i mean it is a great movie but there’s a sex scene that uh i wouldn’t recommend for any of my kids or a third grader yeah my mom never let the sex scenes just live in their regular pace that was that would have been wrong but fast yeah you had to get through it so she i mean so you’re so you’re she restricted me somewhat your performance expectations now in marriage are you hard to be very quick about it i brought you you thought it was a lot of weird perspectives into my marriage having seen only fast forward sex my entire life wow that’s great i was so embarrassed with that i remember um we didn’t discuss it i didn’t tell my mom now speaking of guilty pleasures uh like horror movies uh you know i i’m in the same boat but i feel like you had a special passion for it gangster rap tell me about your obsession with gangster rap and how that came about now one of our first videos on our youtube channel was white boys visit compton which was a podcast first you’ll see that it says rhett and link cast and uh we released it on itunes and we started putting on youtube that video we give a little bit of this story actually i’ve i haven’t seen it in so long i don’t remember but the the start of my love for rap music was your brother cole um cole was it was so cool to go to your house because not only did we get to hang out we were friends but a guy who was four years older three three years older was there i was like okay this guy’s a g we’re we’re in eighth grade he’s a junior in high school man yeah and he would try to pin me against you like not physically but like i remember that he would say okay you’d say i got the new i got i got the new DJ Jazzy Jeff tape and he’d be like i got the new young mc tape and this is this is way back in the day but and he would say which link which one do you like better and i’d be like well i gotta pick whoever like cole likes better because he’s older and he’s cooler you didn’t think he was cool he was a jerk you were guys getting you would get in fights and uh i would just laugh and laugh and laugh he would make you angry he would make you angry in front of me just to embarrass you oh yeah and then you got and i and i took the bait every time and you i remember you got mad that one time and you started chasing him he ran in his room and slammed the door and you threw your speed stick deodorant against the door and it went everywhere like a fire but you know what he was saying at that moment he was saying that i liked melissa hood oh remember that melissa hood she lived uh in the neighborhood oh yeah i remember and uh nothing wrong with liking melissa hood i didn’t like her though i mean to the uh to this day i’ll throw deodorant at you if you tell me that i like to bliss a hood no but he he just would start it and he would and he kept pushing and pushing and pushing it and i remember you the two of you ran i just i can vividly remember this i had a good arm and you got you you ran into his room and i came to the top of the steps and i remember speed stick deodorant and i threw it it would have hit him between the eyeballs if he didn’t slam the door he slammed the door and it just blew up all over the place white everywhere dust particles everywhere i was so mad um but he liked gangsta rap iced tea indeed and it was so off limits to listen to this stuff that’s another thing my mom let let’s watch uh horror movies with her but she did not know she was ignorant about the gangster rap she did not know what was being wrapped about in my brother’s room and i felt like it was so cool to come to your house and i felt like i was friends with a high schooler i mean i wasn’t but i had that illusion because i if i took his side you would be angry and i would seem cool it was great and this music was everyone always thinks that things have gotten worse everyone thinks that things get you know there’s moral degradation as time goes on it has not that’s not the case okay people have always been bad people have always been good now the music has not gotten any worse i mean maybe there’s a little bit more mainstream except it was i mean nw was very misogynistic and it was very i mean and it was very brutal i mean you’re talking about over the top gang gang violence but also i mean she was just it was out of the worst songs were they were explicitly sexual misogynistic it was uh i mean there were a couple of songs that cole felt so bad about that he he taped over them yeah yeah he had a little bit of a conscience and the first cd i ever saw was when a cole bought of a rap of like gangstar and i was like this is so cool one day i’ll have a cd player he didn’t to his credit he did not have two live crew yeah he knew there was a line somewhere and if it was just like okay two live crew is just rapping about sex that’s that’s it so he’s like okay i you know i’m not i’m not going to do that but we can we can stick with the other stuff um we haven’t gotten to any twitter questions uh maybe we should move a little faster for these last ones random tv usa wanted me to ask you uh who was your best friend before link i i don’t know the answer to this actually do you remember anybody in california um that’s a really good question um i can honestly not tell you the first name of any one i’m from california i was three four and five when we lived there i’m sure that my my mom could help me think of this but no no nobody do you remember i mean i i grew up in it uh my my first best friend was brad this guy who i went to preschool with for years and we like would dig holes in the driveway of what’s his last name uh can’t brad mcdonald um so we were like preschool buddies it was just two of us loretta kept us she’s like four foot three inches tall woman yeah um and then kindergarten matthew enzor who we were friends with all through high school yeah was i thought he was the coolest guy because he could run almost as fast as randolph clegg who was a black guy and you weren’t friends with black people when i was in kindergarten i’m just you know that’s just the way it was so randolph was the fastest guy i wanted him to be my best friend but he was black so matthew the the fastest white guy had to be my best friend and i want to clarify because i think that there’s a lot of people who don’t come from the same area in the same time that we came from and it was a time when yeah it would save me if i’ve said anything else i want to clarify that we come from a place where uh there was you know systematic racism and it was ugly it but it wasn’t open you know by the time it was 1983 1984 no one was saying any we didn’t hear people say racist things directly to people we didn’t hear white people talk directly to black people in a racist way hardly ever but they also didn’t talk to each other but but white people would talk negatively about about black people and vice versa uh within their own groups and then you were friends with with uh people of other races and really where we come from was just white and black people that was it there were really very few asian people very few hispanic people but um you didn’t hang out and you weren’t real friends you didn’t go to each other’s homes and that kind of thing and it was just the way it was and we didn’t know we didn’t know any different so i’m just clarifying there wasn’t like thank you for rescuing me i i was i was no more racist than anyone else at the time but i was i was brought up in that and so i felt like okay the coolest people are the people who can run the fastest because in recess every day they we would have like student organized race foot races the fastest people were the coolest people i was nowhere near the fastest so i just wanted to be friends with the fastest person or the fastest white person because that was that was my option yeah matthew ensor um and then it was uh first grade when the next year when when we met so i had a couple of uh best friends now matthew enzor’s best friend was uh j.r i can’t remember his last name right now the blonde kid so i knew that it was not reciprocated i was not his best friend he didn’t give it back i was very frustrated and and then when you know we were i mean i would i don’t know that we were immediately best friends we were we were very close friends but i don’t know if you’d apply that label until that we were best friends were we really i would say that um we were as good of friends as i had at the time all through elementary school but i had these these these friends that i mean really first and second grade it was kind of like you know i i had you and tate maddox and michael jubie tate maddox at the time he i mean he was kind of a tool i mean he wore duck head shorts with the shirt his shirt tucked in but we nobody else did but we thought that was super cool i did he always had a girlfriend yeah but i hated him before but then third grade third grade is when ben greenwood moved into town and ben became you know we me and you and him were as and they were and there were probably times and i think this relates to lexi poe’s question from twitter she says was there ever a point when you guys were kids that you thought your friendship might be over um like a fight no but in terms of am i am i not am i my second best friend now yeah so so two so two part question the first one there was definitely a time in which i thought that ben was my best friend i’d say like fourth fifth grade we lived closer together we spent more time together um the three of us were together almost all the time but then there was also a year in their fourth grade and fifth grade which we were in different classes right so i was in my class and i would i would go over and hang out with you guys at ben’s house or your house and you would you would report to me all the things you had done over the past two weeks when i wasn’t hanging out with you we found this weed that is hollow in the middle and we’ve decided to smoke it and we’re calling it the big george now they did we they did not put anything in it it was just like just an actual weed it wasn’t weed it was it was and and wheat a weed and you would lit it on fire and you simulated smoking it like a cigarette you had no clue what you were doing you didn’t even know what marijuana was so it was horrible though but but it was a weed and you caught it the big george and you would build lean twos and ben had all these ideas and i remember feeling threatened then that oh yeah they’re they’re best friends i’m on the fringe i live across town you lived across town and you were in a different class but i never thought that you’re not a social class like like literally you were a different teacher you were in a lower class you lived in a smaller house no uh yeah a different teacher and and i don’t know how they do it uh in eighth grade you know sixth seventh eighth grade these days but the way we did it is you were in the same class all day well no it’s for sixth grade but starting seventh eighth grade we did have different classes different teachers i at this point in the i’m just gonna like come back to the reality of the ear biscuit here and at this point i’m thinking all of a sudden we’ve lost our i feel like i’ve lost myself in our past and i have no clue how this feels to anyone listening like i feel like oh red link come back to us you’re reminiscing about your past but that’s why it’s experimental i mean this is why we this is why we tried it is this going i have this is why we want to know how you feel about it and if you want us to continue to do this kind of thing but let me answer the second part of the question okay was there a point when you were kids that you thought that your friendship might be over um i would say that there were times you’ve relayed this to me before uh which i think is also a question that you might have for me uh about girls i have a question for you about girls i do yeah um and that is that i had i was very obsessive about women and fix would go from one girl to the next fixated on a girl whether she reciprocated or not yeah so what’s your question because i want to i don’t want to go too far well so what might it’s not really a question i’m saying that there were times in which because of a girl was so into a girl that yeah but i forgot about you for a while oh that i mean that certainly happened but i didn’t feel threatened as a best friend because it wasn’t another friend it was a girlfriend that’s a different thing uh i i kind of feel like i i definitely had the question i wanted to ask you why did you think why do you think you were so obsessive about girls i almost don’t want to ask it now because i feel like we want to keep the podcast to a certain length that i think there’s some good stuff to unpack if we decide this is a good thing we can wait for that we can do the relational the girl stuff there because there’s a lot of girl stuff oh a lot of really good girl stuff i mean you know sharing first girlfriend sharing first kiss uh like your obsession with girls my fear of girls that’s what they call a teaser link let’s make that another podcast um not that we have to end it right now i’m trying to see if i’m looking through these twitter questions to see if there’s another one i i feel like this is kind of part there like couples therapy like what’s happening here maybe a little bit of that are you do you feel like you’re getting an appreciation of our friendship uh it’s so easy to lose sight of how long we’ve been friends because you just get into the grind of what are we going to accomplish or what do we have to do this week or this month or where are we going no i i think i am gaining a pre appreciation of it finally i do think it is a little bit like not that i didn’t appreciate it i think it is a little bit like counseling without without a mediator i do if unless you call the mythical beasts who are listening that you’re biscuiteers the mediator which is a weird way to think about well i sense their presence um but i do i think this is a good question to close with and this is a question that we used um as a teaser over and over again on good mythical morning season three i guess it was when we would on our question episodes we would say did you do this do you that and did you ever have you ever punched each other in the face and we never answered the question did somebody ask so deal biz on twitter uh who’s followed us for a while says have you ever punched each other in the face hashtag throwback thursday he’s been a fan for a while so he knows that this is something that we used all the time as a teaser on good mythical morning so let’s just close by answering that question have we ever punched each other in the face no we haven’t okay so that’s it we have it but but i will say i and have you ever have you ever rared back your fist at me i mean no you you were throwing the deodorant at me and cole that was because cole was involved and i think that’s the point i wanted to make and that is as children as children i don’t think we were even ever even close to being on the verge of a physical altercation with one another and i and i think that here’s my theory okay now i have a theory and and but i think that now in current our friendship is much deeper much more complex stronger than it than it was when we were 12 years old but the nature of our you know the nature of our friendship and the nature of our business the nature of this being in this creative endeavor together there are times when we get we’re very mad at one another and there are a couple of times where we’ve gotten really mad at each other i’d say probably 10 times in the past 10 years where it’s crossed my mind that we might be about to get into a fist fight like we might be a like that might happen like really yeah where we’ve been so mad at each other that it’s crossed my mind that like it wouldn’t be totally out of the question right now if one of us punched the other but is it but are you really thinking it wouldn’t be out of the question if link punched me at this moment is that really what you think yeah you because i feel like you i don’t i feel like you get madder than i do right i feel like you think i would never punch him but sometimes i just don’t know he just might go loose cannon on me yeah yeah i’m like he’s a lot madder than i than i thought that he was right now and what i’m gonna say is that when you were a child before you became a man uh that never happened like you you never had that in you you never had this you never had this like i might punch you right now i’m so mad i’m gonna punch you you never had that that was something that like began to emerge like after college i think as a kid i remember getting so angry at certain things that my mom uh floated the idea that what if what if you got a pillow that when you got angry you would punch it like i remember that and that was very unsatisfying i think that was going into like dealing with puberty but i do remember her making that suggestion hormones you know hormones going crazy puberty going nuts no pun intended but uh i actually tried it i went to my room and i punched my bed and i don’t remember it helping but but it didn’t play out in uh in our friendship uh we didn’t really fight i don’t think we argued no i mean what was there to argue about i mean we got stuff to argue about every 30 minutes now because we’re creating things and there’s you have creation uh requires opinions and uh we’re not always going to share the same perspective on things um well i think we’ve learned to accept that uh not that we couldn’t do a better job of this but in general the create the creative process there for us there’s there’s a give and take and there’s a like let’s throw this idea back and forth sometimes like throw it pretty hard back and forth until it shakes out into what it should be well i also think that’s another conversation is the whole creative process the fact that there is a lot of conflict involved in it so nobody sees three special episodes if you count this one then we’ve got the girl episode and then we’ve got the creative process unless this is a fail i mean i’m i’m open to that right i’m open to that maybe it was but i think it was good for us but this is no one else hears this i think it was good for us to have some perspective on our on our friendship that oh this one’s going out oh oh yeah this one’s going out are you going to tell them that we that we recorded a one earlier that never went out is that what you’re implying because i think i just accidentally told them yeah yeah that we already tried this and it didn’t work we tried this and it was a totally different format we didn’t like the way it turned out okay there we admitted it maybe it’ll be like on some secret channel at some point yeah it’ll be yeah one day we’ll exploit it [Music] there you have it a trip down memory lane double dose because it was already a trip down memory lane that then well you get the idea um i’m curious what what your experience was listening um to that episode from almost four years ago what you learned i’m actually curious because i haven’t listened back to the whole thing if um if our stories changed a little bit you know how when you tell stories again and because they were told in the book if they shifted any if we got anything wrong at any point or whatever your experience is let us know using your biscuits we enjoy hearing from you in that way and i just want to mention right quick we’ve got some ear biscuits mugs well i call it a mug but it’s a jar you know what it looks like it looks like biscuit batter hardened into the shape of a jar that you can drink out of and you know what if you get one now we’ve signed a bunch of them at random so you might be one of the lucky recipients of an actual signed ear biscuit mug i kept calling it a mug it’s a jar if we can put a handle on it well i’ll leave that to you you buy one uh it might have our signatures on it and then you can add your own handle and call it a mug let’s call it a day oh man it’s been a long one rhett’s now he’s i can feel it by this point he’s like wrapping up his conversation trying to escape litigation trying to be friends with his neighbor i wonder how it’s going guys let’s let’s send him some some some positive thoughts well they would have to travel through time by the time you’re listening to it man this is how it would be if it’s just me and you i’d just be talking to myself because i would forget you were there this is how i normally am when nobody’s around i just start talking to myself and you know i’m just gonna start mumbling a little bit and then uh another music’s playing which means oh yeah i didn’t i didn’t end it maybe they’ll just make a decision to end it while i’m just mumbling away [Music] do [Music]