[Music] welcome to ear biscuits I’m link and I’m Rhett this week at the round table of dim lighting we’ve got the fine brother because you see Rhett and people out there the fine brothers are interesting people from the internet and interesting people and we have an interesting conversation with interesting people and interesting most notably they’re not brothers that’s the first headline don’t spoiler alert no actually they are brothers we go to the deep end with the fine brothers discussing growing up Orthodox Jews in Brooklyn dealing with a near-death experience on the Peter Pan ride with an employee while an employee at Disney World you can find out which one of the fine brothers that was we discussed their crucial role in the formation of maker studios and why they parted ways and what they’re gonna do when they finally settle down it will happen one day going into the deep end I think that’s some terminology I’m going to adopt as your biscuits continues well let’s let’s go into the deep end and I think the reason why Rhett is because of my experience at the spa now that I I’ve been looking for an opportunity to share my experience while on vacation with all of you not while I wasn’t on vacation with all of you I was looking for an opportunity to share this experience that I have with my wife with all of you am I being clear here not really you’re gonna share some experience you had with your wife with all the people over the holidays I’m all ears oh yeah as you know I decided to have a getaway with Christy towards the end after Christmas but before we came back from North Carolina take three nights go to Asheville you also went to Asheville but we made a pact that we would do different things and if we happen to see each other we would not speak to each other mother so it was wife time yeah I think the point is is that when you’re in North Carolina there’s it’s a great place but probably the best place to visit and to get away to in North Carolina is Asheville so we didn’t want one of us to pick Asheville and the other one to pick you know like benson and then be like oh well you’re a Nashville I’m in business or let’s both go to the place we want to go mewls invents let’s not interact and we did not interact however my wife did send a text to your wife at one point to tell her about a restaurant that you guys should eat at and I know that you did and it was great well that’s a whole other discussion here well I think we should save that ok let’s save that for next week that one restaurant experience about the name of the restaurant yeah exactly so let’s say that anyway going the whole terminology of going in the deep end you know where’s that because I went to a spa the not just any spa the Grove Park Inn and I think then we call it resort now or spa that’s what they call it Grove Park Inn and Spa this is an old hotel overlook in the mountains overlooking Asheville but the spas what’s world-class but you got to stay there in order to get entrance into this place so I decided to splurge on this and we would have some quality time at the spa you know get a couples massage there’s a lot of guys who are averse and when we went there into the lobby there was a guy there who was not only averse he was very nervous about the the fact that he was gonna get a massage now I am I’m just like giving the guy the poopoo face yeah because and that’s ridicul of getting a massage it’s just a very an American thing sometimes unfortunately to just be uncomfortable ok let me emphasize my discomfort with coughing how long are you gonna vomit he’s making us comfortable with like being touched or going into a spa wearing a speedo come on brothers I loosen up a little bit I’m going on record I love being touched period end of story so I mean couples massage you’re in the same room with your wife but you each have your own masseuse and they you know they say do you want a man or a woman masseuse I was like I don’t care oh you said you don’t care that semester no I said I want a woman ok but I thought it don’t I if it was a man I’d be like ok whatever but your wife also requested a woman right yes right so I requested a woman for everybody did all the requests yeah but before we even get into massage I knew that this is type of thing that you just go to the spa and you stay there all day this place they at first they separated us a man came and took me into the men’s locker room had started giving me a tour through the whole facility sudah grab your hand and lead you well he he told me to strip down and then put on a robe he did not touch me and then I did that and then me and the nervous guy he took us both around and paraded us he toured us of this place I mean there’s like Brett there’s like 14 pools deferrals in this spot about I’ve seen it on the Travel Channel this pool here is 78 degrees it is the lap pool as you can see the woman there is not having any trouble floating because it’s infused with many minerals to make her more buoyant really and then this one has a touch of Tabasco sauce when you’re underwater when you put your ears underwater you can hear music play really and when you look up at the sky especially after dark you can see the simulated stars in the simulated sky above the lap pool like doing the backstroke looking at the fake stars and this is almost like from ancient times too right I mean like 100 years ago he did ancient for America he didn’t say okay well it’s an old place that’s all I know and then he said in this pool is 84 degrees and it’s more for lounging and then over here there’s like waterfalls falling into hot tubs then you go outside and there’s a there’s a pool but it is 104 degree hot tub now we’re getting to a good place like 104 degrees oh yeah and you’re outside and it’s cold and you can order a drink poolside and then you go back in to the men’s only area and there’s another hot tub but then like a little round hole full of water right beside it and I’m like so toilet that’s a small hot tub next to me he said that’s the plunge pool and I remember this it’s cold but this is what yeah it’s really cold yeah it’s like dipping yourself into a mountain stream and then you go into the hottest of hot tubs right next it might be a trout in there and I’m like so excited I get to do all this stuff and it’s just amazing and I don’t know why that wasn’t mixed company that was in the men’s only area and I and Christy said there was one in the women’s only area I don’t know if I was supposed to get naked before jumping in cuz I don’t I’m not taking off my shorts before jumping in the Polar Plunge pool I mean any guy knows that as long as you get into the hot tub quickly things will bright themselves pretty quickly well I did it but I didn’t I didn’t strip down before I did it then there was a sauna and a steam room and all that stuff it I mean this is even before getting the massage this place is amazing now it’s expensive as all get-out but for one full day it was like I was in h2o heaven you spent like a literally a full day yeah I got a morning until the evening we left and got we ate lunch there poolside but then we went we left and eat dinner somewhere we came back because I wanted to swim under those stars yeah I can hear the music gotta do that sometime I’m going full naked though the and I’m not gonna be there yeah the massage itself wasn’t that great but the massage it was great but it wasn’t any greater than some of the massages that I’ve gotten out here in Los Angeles but the massage facility was pretty amazing I mean they were like what type of music would you like me to play would you’d like me to play Native American or piano music about Native American piano I said I wanted to mix and then after I started halfway through I started realizing that the piano music was really cheesy and I was like eh let’s see I want to go full Native America of course obviously that’s what you got to do okay I mean that’s so I’m saying you should go but I shouldn’t be there especially if you’re not gonna go when I look in there and I’m gonna I’m gonna be naked alright but so I mean you can hear it in my voice I’m revitalized I have them for the few weeks ever since I’ve been back yeah well this is a deep end let’s see how revitalizing this conversation with the fine brothers is I think it was pretty revitalizing as it has already happened and now we’re telling you about if not just insightful and like going into a cold mountain spring of Internet experience okay you know these guys Benny and Rafi fine they’re the creators several successful YouTube series most notably the react series kids react teens react youtubers react these feature people reacting real-time to culturally relevant timely sometimes shocking videos they are very very very very popular yeah they’ve been featured in nearly every worldwide publication including New York Times Time magazine variety Huffington Post and have won Daytime Emmy streamys webbie’s iaw TV these guys are legit you know this why else what why else would we not be talking to them we would I don’t even understand what that question it was that even a question I don’t think it was I think we should just get from the questions to the conversation to the deep end here it is our conversation with Benny and Rafi fine okay so as we’ve established you guys are if we consider ourselves pretty busy but we think you guys are the busiest guys on youtube so quantify your busyness yeah how are you know how your lives going I mean like you know it’s just this is just another job for you coming in you’re having to do this podcast we want you to just relax we’ve given you bottles of water thank you nice cushion I see it’s a brand we want this to be recreation on a relaxation for you we might give you a massage we might give you a mask whoa I actually want that right now but nobody’s gonna see that so it’s it’s not happening right now yes massage guys it’s amazing we’re all naked we’re naked each other massages yeah I’m really good as happening but innocent clarify but I’m not in the sense of busyness I mean yeah like currently we don’t have lives quarter full of people like to call lives we don’t have in the sense of our lives is completely making the shows you know when you meet wake up from your waking life is devoted to producing the content on your channels yes I am developing things for the future wherever they might end up being online or television or film etc so there’s no downtime like you I mean do you eat meals do you recreation meals it’s like one one day usually really late at night midnight which is not healthy oh you know yeah as a matter of fact I follow you guys on Instagram and I saw like a 12:30 that was me yeah last night cuz I love to cook and don’t have any time to cook so I shot for the first time in like more than a month recently and I’m like oh I got a cook I got all this stuff so I get home really late and then I cook late at night I have a really good time like a late night cookie I realize I have all this food that I don’t have anyone to feed it to together very easily yeah we finally took the took the step when we were kids when we were younger we never like even shared the same room or anything it’s only been since we moved out here that we shared the room we didn’t live together for a while we were still in film school and then I was working at Disney World yeah we were separated for many many years and then ended up living together out here and you guys even saw that because we you oh you’re one of the early collaborators of ours but that loss thing we did together so those years ago and you came to that apartment that was our same apartment all the way until October yeah with the Abraham Lincoln picture oh yeah no other decor right I remember correct no beds we didn’t have beds you guys you guys moved in and just started making videos and you hung one Abraham that time period every single video we made it Lincoln was there we’re gonna put him up yeah we did have the rights to that thing though sadly we really should figure out the other thing I don’t think I think it’s I think it’s public domain okay oh yeah he’s been dead for Content IDs gonna come after us for that like it so you did move in two separate states yes yes and that’s the first life thing we’ve done in like eight years is actually move apart yes that’s the like cuz otherwise it always was like we have no time we can’t look for an apartment we can’t like actually think about what that means and how we have to like separate what we own and even though we’re barely home but yeah that was like the first thing we’re was like we have to move on with our lives and it took us like many many years to even do that it’s always just every waking moment is dedicated to creating content and it’s funny because it wasn’t like a decision that we like made at a certain point like a decade ago even though it’s been about a decade of this though it’s gotten a lot busier in the last like 18 months but it’s still like somehow we’re just meshed like that and both of us started becoming workaholics at some point yeah stopped right so workaholic as a negative term I mean do you it seems that you’re kind of acknowledging that that there’s you’ve got to exercise a some health for yourself step one is moving out like living in separate places in the sense of being able to force the by every waking moment being about the job I think even being around each other yeah even though we’re best friends is also part of being best friends and life is the work so by at least having even a few hours separated or when there is a moment where there’s like oh there might be a half a day it isn’t also then next to each other being able to be like so what should we work on rebel at least have a moment to think well what else should I be thinking of this is why we can’t go on vacations together this is why something you guys don’t do right this is what why when we begin to think about what we’re doing in our free time our wives are like no you guys can’t be together because it’ll become a conversation about some idea you guys are not only brothers you said your best friends your collaborators your co-producers on everything in the same way we find ourselves the way that we build our friendship is by working on things so we have found that the discipline of separation leads to us not working as much yeah if we live together if we didn’t have wives and kids and you know it would be very there’ll be a big temptation to just wake up and work and then sleep a little bit here and there so I can see that so you’ve kind of forced yourself to make that decision yeah is that helping well that’s new but it definitely is helping just just the feelings of sometimes oh I’m not working at the moment you know even just that idea of like when I get back home all I’m done if I make myself not check email you know like that throw the photo cross the room but you still Instagram the meal that you made it I don’t really honestly and I say this all I’ve said this before like Instagram we were very late to the party and I don’t really like Instagram and I don’t like taking pictures and our whole life even we don’t have pictures and we have some and we always regret like childhood why and we talked to her mom she’s like you hated it you would never let me do it why don’t we have pictures mom she’s like cuz you would cry my three-year-old refuses to be in a picture he’s like Bigfoot he’ll regret it yeah that’s the thing though though is that we look back recently we came across old video and our dad was a very interesting person but at one point had an institute where he was trying to help a lot of runaway kids in New York and made a video for his nonprofit that we were in we were really really little kids and we each have met little memories about that shoot but we finally saw the tape again recently and it’s crazy to see it’s our childhood encapsulated of what we were like as kids which is not really what we’re like now but we’re walking down the block in Brooklyn I look miserable like I don’t want the camera on me I’m like don’t even look at me my life is hell while he’s handing a wide shot he’s like yeah like he’s trying to say like we would help right away kids it up like just like oh my god Rafi shut up and now I’ve had to be more subdued and I’m much more up yeah overcompensating huh okay so you mentioned Brooklyn and I think some people might know this but we do one in New York so that’s where you were born yeah I was born in Brooklyn Hospital in a very black neighborhood the family story is my older sister came in and said I want the black one because I was the only white baby there and I look like neither I look like neither of you you’re the darkest of all of heads true because you weren’t black you’ve got an older sister yeah yeah how much older she’s almost three years older than me we’re all like two and a half years apart each other okay I’m in the middle middle of corner half years younger weirdest of the bunch right yeah yeah the middle child the neglected child neither of you middle oh H I only and younger mm-hmm yeah never an opportunity to be the middle yeah well you make like you’re technically the oldest the middle and the youngest which the middle of you’re the youngest and the oldest but in the middle well that’s called the only child syndrome you’re everything to everyone everything and nothing so what was it like you said that your dad was an interesting guy what was what were you bringing was interesting because we grew up Orthodox Jews all the way until we were teenagers or even before that just quickly is that both of our parents grew up on the west coast and Jewish families do you know Jewish history everything nobody Orthodox they were big hippies and our Father was like really into like LSD and like lots of things are living in the Haight in living in the Haight 1967 he was there you see Berkeley during it oh wow and remembers none of it or what he remembers tones of it he used to have even our he’s almost from when he was concert posters that he then sold some of them later but like really classic post sold these posters on like eBay for like five hundred dollars like it’s like those classic amazing artwork posters that like so limited but they got at those concerts but both of them fully you know like hippies everything spiritual journey stuff then they basically decided they went to Israel and then they decided that they wanted to become Orthodox Jews but in like a hippie way like they were gonna go undercover in the end where the docs Orthodox – what yes completely I think it was like the revival what was it like it was underneath like Jewish revival that was like a but so our Father went undercover almost to become a rabbi in like hardcore Brooklyn you know going to become a rabbi there without letting them know that that’s what he was really wanting to do so we any no no letting the Orthodox community know he was actually like a spiritual because it’s not simple process to like not be an Orthodox Jew and then show up and be like I’m gonna suddenly become very very religious and they’re very skeptical of these things got it yeah yeah outsiders that whole idea of even like the Jews there is outsider tendencies based on how religious you are it’s complicated so we ended up kind of just getting born right in that moment where they were becoming Orthodox and they did end up kind of embracing Orthodox lifestyle not just trying to do it and get out and become a rabbi and leave they ended up kind of buying into it so long short bori they were all in we were raised very religious but things that they were doing was very unorthodox where they would be helping kids on the streets and not just the Jewish kids and not trying to make the Jewish kids that had run away from home for various reasons to become Orthodox just to get them off the streets which was controversial to not make them be what they used to be and there’s a whole crazy crazy upbringing that was like all walks of life would all be hanging out and when we talk to people now that we’re still in touch with that newest when we were kids they describe it as it was just a place to go to meet other nice cool people that were trying to be good which is very interesting with some of the stuff we do now where we realize all where did the idea for things like talking to people and come from and we realized they were embracing people while having opinions and being a person it’s like this obviously came from being in that environment where everyone was who we didn’t know the stories we were so young but then finding out later this person had this drug problem or this person had this abuse in their life or etc etc but they were all just people that were friends to us growing up yeah so what was it like being kids in that environment where your parents had experienced this you know transformation but they were still trying they were you know they were doing it in an unorthodox way the same time we didn’t know much of the difference which i think is normal when you’re young like you just think this is the way life is the only things that we realized were different was when we visit grandparents because no one else in the family was Orthodox so like we’d go and visit them and have to be explained that they don’t keep the Sabbath they don’t keep kosher you know things like that other than that though it was a pretty great childhood up until you know the point where you get older well it’s still great for me you write it up or belly what yes but it’s like you know you get older and some of the rhetoric comes in and there’s and for me being more of the I need to have answers and let’s have a real conversation and you can’t really have you kind of hit a brick wall sometimes and what really white ring kind of answers were you well it was more of like kind of questioning well why did we say that with one technology change it doesn’t say anything like this in the Torah like you know why do we say this is okay and not this and the answer tor is like the Bible yeah but not going into the super specifics was kind of just getting brick walls up because that’s what it says and we’re not good enough now but then I would go on and on about but the Talmud the entire Talmud is just which is complicated but it’s it’s it’s a book that is so many books it’s not even of laws it’s about rabbis from centuries ago debating the laws right and which is something I actually still think is pretty cool about the Jewish religion is that there’s so much study done about arguing about why and I think that’s cool but in today’s world they not a lot really you can’t really ask while you can just look at what other people thought and you can’t agree to disagree you know you have to you have to follow this way and I would be like but that’s contradictory and then the rabbi’s would just be like well it’s has to be that’s what it says deal with it and if you question too much you start getting in trouble so so you started for me you started requesting and getting in trouble yes yes I start I went from like the the person that was like the next rabbi in my class to the one that was getting in trouble often from asking too many questions okay so you got I mean you were kind of this was part of your life and yeah and you were kind of all in as a kid so but then something changed so what age we talking about like this school is very specific stories of why it has it started it started at age 13 my bar mitzva where things get a lot more responsibility comes on to you as a male when you’re 13 and or thoughts you know you’ve got it you’re a man now and that there’s certain things that are a cool hat now you do the black hat is a cool expensive but the way that prior works becomes different than the school day becomes a whole lot longer and like so my school day which were already was long the school day was 9:00 to 4:30 but then it became 7:00 to 5:45 and then all this homework and it was just getting a little bit too much for me even just on that side of things and so that’s where things started for me but also the 7:00 to 5:45 and there’s still only two hours of secular history it was three at that point for me it was only to you it was two and a half turn out but because that the things that you have to learn in America and then the rest of the day was was Hebrew yeah a filler to be American yeah but the quick story always that is the moment I remember is my principal who I was terrified of and he’s still the principal at the same school to this day we should go I want to go talk to him he’s like well even seeing like your guys I want to go back and talk to my teachers yeah it’d be so crazy to go back and talk to like Orthodox rabbis that were our teachers back like you were right but look what happened to me now our teacher was hot and so there was there was there was some interest on that level that’s why you guys yeah we had some hot rabbis tell you we’ll have beers yeah the way that it worked with the long school day the 7:30 in the morning until 9:00 was prayer that prayer was always at school but then once you become 13 you’re part of something called a minyan which 10 13 or older teen or up males together can pray properly there’s things you can only do with 10 males that are adults and 13 is an adult in that world so you have to start going to the minion really early in the morning and do all that and I wasn’t feeling well one morning and was like I I can’t get up and do this I need to sleep an extra hour but I didn’t I really wanted to go to school like I had no interest in not going I wanted to go and learn that day I was all excited about it I was happening like I’m feeling better let me go and I got in so much trouble that morning because then being told like if you don’t come to the minion you shouldn’t even be here but I’m tried to then go back something like if this doesn’t make sense I came here to learn I wanted to learn it and that was the moment that is very Parham out of my mind I’d love to tell that parents will be like if you had not done that to me it is hypothetical I would not have gone down the path of questioning as much as I did to lead me completely not to do this anymore and that’s the moment I can pin it all back to is where everything’s starting to change right it crumbled apart from you there what was the cold turkey moment was that there was no cold turkey moment and that that from there that was 13 and then we were I was still very Orthodox all the way to like 17 both of us did something like non-kosher know my one of the big moments of my life I was maybe 23 and had a cheeseburger for the first time when at that point I had had a little bit of non kosher stuff already chicken but like milk and meat together is such a no-no and I it was a moment of like I’m never going back I’m getting a cheeseburger bacon cheeseburger that’s too far guy right where did you get the cheeseburger it was at McDonald’s because the Donalds was such a place it was like you could never eat there so you know not kosher and it felt like even though I knew it was like the look of it in Ronald McDonald and everything just kind of like Daltrey it felt like idolatry it was a decade long journey to get out for each verse of different ways and then almost another five six years after the ten years to really feel comfortable with my decisions and not have guilt and like all these things to really feel like no this is Who I am which in a lot of ways I’m very thankful for because it has made me look at the world differently it’s maybe not just accept things as they are it also makes me understand religion which means I understand people better because I totally relate bracing even people that are really religious I have no issues with it because I totally know what that’s like and then it could be an amazing a great thing I have a lot of positive memories about it too yeah so you moved out of the house when was the cheeseburger moment that was that was in Orlando Florida like I was eight nine years ago okay so that was after you were out of the house yes you were down managing something in business role in rough you were kind of observing this as a younger brother yeah and so what were you I was going through your mind I was like I loved every I couldn’t I wasn’t at the age yet where I had to start like worrying or thinking everything was still like fun and everything was a game and I would get stickers and that was all the learning I was doing it was like oh sweet stamps and like I’m getting I’m a great student and like I’m enjoying myself so much and then we ended up kind of down this path where it was like Benny’s not doing that great in this environment we might have to change some things and there are some of that we’re like also the Orthodox community was getting kind of more strict that we were in in Brooklyn so our parents weren’t even liking that as in general because we were so unorthodox in this Orthodox environment where our parents even let us watch like beavis and butt-head and that was like a horrible thing like kids would come up to us in school and ask us like what happened I’ll tell you don’t worry and so we were you know always trying to start on the tradition of beavis and butt-head crazy horrible things but and we were playing role-playing games and dragons dragons and we weren’t worth the doc’s kids so it was interesting in that way but it was for me everything was just I was I was such a happy like fun like I just nothing ever really fazed me kid it was just always laughing always smiling everything was great so I just kind of saw what was going on and I was just more fearful for him because there was all this talk of like sending him off to a boarding school and like he has to go off to he achieve us somewhere else because he’s giving trouble and like all this stuff and we ended up I guess has a family to sign instead just to move out of Brooklyn moved up to upstate New York to a school that was like not as Orthodox and to a whole community that was not as Orthodox the whole family moved yeah my whole family they’re not moving so he went upstate and like you know it was I still everything was kind of just fine for me I have I lucked out the whole experience for me was I got to watch Benny literally like just get at my parents all the time and like be the horrible middle child that like was so rebellious and then whenever I decided to like also kind of be rebellious it was much easier for me they’re like we’ve been here well write this story easy for me is like the one the one time only that I had the TV moment of like I’m leaving the house I’m driving away and I’m not telling my parents where I’m going only happened once and it was arguing over the fact that I started dating a non-jewish girl I was I was I just turned 18 and there’s a huge to do with my parents and I stormed out the one and only time go to three years later Ravi had all of high schools not Michigan like I went you know it was literally like I had my moments where I literally had to like have the conversations every step of the way it was uh had to have the conversation I didn’t what cuz I when we first moved out there I was still going to a yeshiva to learn extra studies and that was going on for a while and then public school the only one of us that was in public and they were still even then it was like you still got to like keep going with your studies because now you’re just gonna not even be learning Hebrew and Torah and everything so you still have to go after school to learn that stuff and then slowly but surely I had to start saying I don’t want to do that anymore then I had to start saying I want to go out on Shabbos on Saturdays you know I want to be able to drive and do that I want to be able to date a non Jewish girl each of these were like mega like intense conversations but not here someone had said the way yes literally with public school and I went to prom and I played baseball for you know like I was able to just do everything more normal then my brother and sister completely walked out I mean do you think that I mean did your parents have this sense that they were losing control or was it like you know obviously it had to be a different process for them having come from the background they came from and then sort of making it really strict and then slowly coming out any difference if somebody who’s Orthodox from birth if there was something like that going on it would not have been even though I say oh it took ten years no that was more personal journey than it was like strict pair or family and that’s the thing that I know from having friends that are that are in that generational orthodoxy for hundreds of years have lost like you can adjust so many family members to the Holocaust like all this thing’s it’s so yeah just leave it becomes an excommunication scenario sometimes for those families for us it was we have a hippie parents so like it was they were very open I couldn’t talk to my rabbis that we’d like to talk to my dad like I could have those conversations with him and he wasn’t he was never hardline we would have good conversations and it was more for the things like deciding to date a non-jewish girl or stop me make my own personal decision that wasn’t like horrible arguments what’s wrong with you but it was more of like well that’s too much you know and that was I think that was their own journey to of realizing wait a second what do where are we now and even now with all of us like our dads still being the most religious but all of us have Mel doubt about this and I think is he still Arab on well you never are not really a rabbi you go through a pinnacle college and you’re still a rabbi because even though things differently like a rabbi or a priest there’s no you can be a rabbi without any congregation rabbi means teacher so teachers all tend to be rabbis and rabbis don’t have congregations but you can just be a rabbi that doesn’t have any of that and it’s just a teacher you don’t have to be at the head of a synagogue got a beer okay yeah so he’s still a rabbi and people still he gets called for advice for things and still gets called when there’s a runaway because it was such his line of work for so long now that he’s retired here and there he’ll still get called being like where do where do I go to what do i do my kid ran away and he’s still like someone that through that through the connections of people he ends up still getting contacted about that stuff you were to book about it really yeah well okay I heard you mention that you know there was a point in which you were kind of in line to be the next rabbi and then of course with this rebellion and kind of seeing things differently did that begin to change your aspirations were you guys thinking at the time we want to do something creative like you were thinking I want to be a youtuber I love that even that because of people asking when did you decide to go on new tumor-like we were already making videos before you do that so it wasn’t a decision to go to using online and I like a filmmaker but uh you know even before all of that like I wouldn’t even necessarily was a baseball announcer I loved I never loved baseball you’d be playing in games you always hear me announcing the baseball game video games whenever I go to a Yankee game I’d be announcing the game with a little tape recorder like it’s what I really wanted do wait you would go to a live yes Major League Baseball still with the tape record what are those little like the bosons that’s called commentators oh you were dictating the game well you’re an acid just like you know you watch on TV and I was just going to a tape for you that’s that’s what to do but with that I always had my dad also had that little tape recorder that you take notes for like you know those little tiny cassette a dictator fine but I started there and even then and I was roping you into it even back then I was constantly fiddling around it was all started with audio first where I’m like oh I wanted to make little funny tapes and interview people around the block or use this the speed to make me sell make myself sound like a chipmunk and like do stuff like that that then evolved and all my bar mitzvah money went to audio equipment and I had all this professional audio equipment and made hundreds of the talk show radio shows as leader much it was every week I would do a talk show slash Music countdown of like my 20 favorite songs whenever you would try to do bad they become the po boy and you would distribute it how to use it was in it I would rope them in and play characters I my such a character like I would like me playing with different characters and wrote neighbors in etc and then we would play them because we would still be driving from once we were upstate our sister who was older would end up being in school in the city so there was a drive to the city over going to a ball game this became family listening on the two-hour drives the places good I mean wow we made similar recordings but it was just for own enjoyment we’ve never never played the baby I got a tape ready we’re going on a trip I’ll make it tape for that it would be a big deal of what became number one it was her family was like oh wow that went to the based on my wall like what the current chart was excellent even before any recordings and stuff the playtime and everything of just of around the block were always these like crazy imaginative adventures that he would create for us in our weather we had toys or no toys and like we were big and like even when we came to the Internet with this three-hour-long GI Joe action figure thing many years ago we that came from what we used to do and play with GI Joes but it wasn’t the laboratory right it wasn’t crash into each other or fight with guns it was like all right here’s the storyline for this episode of GI Joe and destro just really pissed off you know general hawk and like you know cuz he just I was about to say slept with his wife so you know you just cause he was jealous of his silver head oh definitely it’s crazy because we recently reconnected with our we had one of our good friends growing up was our Catholic next-door neighbor just so random that we had like a real our best friend was our next-door neighbor who was more religious than us and then our a Catholic girl who was extremely controversial rose to be hanging out with Lisa both of them but even talking to her when reminiscing about the past she talked about specific and it’s weird for me hearing because I don’t remember it in the same way that he does and she does of being like she even called out what it was like and it was like we’d get together and you would just tell us what we were playing that day and we’d like adventures we play ventures on the block and I don’t fully remember it that way I was just all in our heads like you know in the sense of like he would just put I couldn’t this is the magical crayon that brings us to another place so you are creative dictator which which led into he never maker no originally when the family got a video camera I want to say it was maybe 12 or 13 and that’s when the sketches started and they were very very small but that’s where that all began and it was roping him in and roping neighbors and to start making little commercials and little things not nearly as good as your commercials guys and that’s where that started and then it evolved into longer content mostly with toys almost everything we did in the beginning was with toys that’s what we had they’re the easiest to work right yeah all we had was toys there was five different 30-minute to two hour-long action figure things and then we would show two and like the screenings grew to like like 50 people at best these not stop-motion this is like yeah in the beginning you could see our hands and our bindings care about that beauty is saying the line down in the beginning and then they got better and better I remember when GI Joe v came out where and that would I already move at that point you had your five I was already an adult and in Florida and then showing it to all of my Disney co-workers and they were like this is pretty good it’s like edge of five we’ve gotten we’ve come a long way add that turning it up in the break room to come screening the many Film Festival month let me ask you so even now how does the dynamic play out it because back then it sounds like you were this creative visionary that you are a willing participant that kind of got pulled into this thing do you still have kind of that role separation in that way now are you pretty creative the origination of ideas is fully together yeah like we don’t yet we never remember who came up with the original idea of something it’s it always just comes out of us just sitting and just starting to talk and some other things to do still to this day we try to set aside time scheduled just to be creative and let’s talk about new ideas and I actually really enjoy that more than anything else and then the actual execution of writing it it has always been Benny he goes and he bait we call it he vomits it out and like he’ll he’s been known depending on what we’re doing to literally write like literally an hour-and-a-half feature he’ll write in like two days he’ll just like vomit and just throw it out there and then usually my job no matter even if it’s a three page script or a 90 page script or it’s a treatment or you know whatever it is it’s I then and the editor to basically be like great we came up with all the ideas great great great you go do it and then I’ll take it after the fact and I’ll shape it and mostly that ended up happening when we got older because I went to film school he didn’t so the idea of like how to put together a screenplay in the proper way to even the way we’re gonna shoot it thinking about the action thinking about how everything’s gonna go into that became like he’s the creative like mad genius he’s gonna vomit it all out and I’m gonna help sculpt it and put it to what we need to actually you get the technology right which is how it all started now as you now so many years kind of ebb and flow and like now though I did not go to film school from doing this for all this time now like I know all that stuff for the most part but and I can assist in that in ways I couldn’t before and same with him he was never really the writer from being around it he was a capable writer as well and it just kind of as kind of more through but now as we’re growing and moving on we’re not pulling ourselves out of everything but we’re really liking we’re wanting to be more of the creative minds to then pushed other people to write produce more producers we’re leaning towards a more producing level because you can’t grow anything and show running in executive to be high up because I’m sure you guys dealing with it too you can’t you have so many ideas and you want to execute them and you literally come to a point where you’re like this I literally physically there’s not enough hours in the day where I need other people to know the bottlenecks employee we don’t live together anymore so there’s even less did you go to broadcasting school or now my my quick story on that I was so from the really religious Jewish school to moving upstate to the smaller Jewish school did not work I was too beyond it and I also was a very shy kid and I went from a large class to a class of three people in the middle of nowhere town and I couldn’t handle even that so long story short when they didn’t know they were gonna send me away or not I ended up homeschooling and then through homeschooling ended up done with school in terms of high school at 15 so I was in a community college part-time at fifteen and then stayed part-time or full-time all the way to age 19 doing great and hating my life like I never liked institutionalized schooling and that’s when I ended up down at Walt Disney World because there was the Walt Disney World College Program which if you’re not familiar with it there’s thousands of them that they recruit from around the country and around the world now slaves slave wages to come be were custom take a semester off and go work at Walt Disney World it used to be get credit and then the schools got wise and realized it was just indentured servitude and even get credit anymore you’re cleaning up vomit some people I was I know you didn’t but some of them did they got college credit for clear to go five years ago so that’s when I ended up down there to do that the time that I never stand everyone back task so from nineteen I went there for the semester went back home to shoot a feature and then it came back and then stayed at Disney all the way until we moved out here so I never finished school even though I was there really young and what I did is knee why’d you pick that was the early dream of my life was to be a Walt Disney Land cast member that ended up becoming Disney World and I think that also has to do with entertainment and the idea of how it made me feel as a kid in the sense of even the escape that I was wanted to be him in a mascot see look you you just walked into the stereotype of what everybody says when you say you work at this okay then you wanted to be snow white they call them fur when you’re in the costumes they’re you guys would have been four cos you’re older you guys are so tall oh yeah birth to all guys to be goofy you know that was the worst height I was so generic as a height yes I’m really short really short a really tall yeah or look perfectly like somebody so I just worked in riots lots and lots of rides I’m a ride geek still I love every time I’m in a theme park I’m looking at the ride operating console and like I can operate healer like any theme park you go to he has to talk to you about it and he’s like oh I see that they don’t have that button it’s like so like hipster about it you have that in common although link was apparently through the stories of her the worst ride operator ever in the history of ride operators on the Santa Cruz Boardwalk well yeah I did that for one summer I cleaned up pee I cleaned up vomit and I got sent home one day because my attitude was so poor connection whoa I like I only spent like a couple months at Disney like this after graduating film school and I was working in the industry in New York for a little bit then I we we decided we were gonna take one year in Florida I can’t handle any more and then we have to move back to New York or out to LA and so during that time I was like I need a job very easy to get a job over there literally I know everybody that works there thanks to him there’s gonna be simple all of them like managers and they’re they’re all like rising up in the company so easy way to get a job I couldn’t last like more than a couple months I just he’s a hard times I can do it and couldn’t be a part of that it like an environment it’s just like coming from like arts and like everything to be like just the idea of being so regimented and like a responsibility like that you know if you actually I worked as if you hated it you know not work there yeah it was it was awful is amazing I couldn’t like there’s so much responsibility you’re being paid absolutely and you have so much responsibility people’s lives are in your hand because of how these rides work also literally like having to be on task you really need to be paying attention your job and people treat you like right and like you’re supposed to smile on your face and everything supposed to be great at the same time the like I totally cuz I was around all of his friends and I totally they all have the pixie dust and they’re all like it’s so beautiful and it’s amazing well they also all know that it’s not perfect and there’s all these problems but they all look at the positive side of it and I just couldn’t help but always just be like I see that there’s beauty and I love going there it’s fun I really enjoyed Disney but I to work there to actually be one of those slaves I could not do it I got not did you ever see anybody like because I know people have gotten like decapitated by Space Mountain and stuff did you were there for that I were you ever there for that when I worked at in Fantasyland I had was a middle manager in Fantasyland and there was a really bad accident at the Peter Pan ride and someone got really really hurt over and I got old well he was old but he as they left the ride never landed they got off they’re supposed to say when you come at the ends of the rides like welcome back from Neverland like this but anyway he there’s a moving belt at the Peter Pan like Haunted Mansion moving platform but Peter Pan is very old ride in Florida that has not ever been renovated in the way that it has been in other theme parks so the moving belt never has a slow speed and most of it most of these rides have slow speeds on the moving belt not Peter Pan the only way to stop it is to emergency stop it which you don’t want to do because it’s hard to load the ride back up and it might not turn back on so when guests with disabilities come on you have to bring them up the back and they have to step on the moving platform and you train them as they get up there man I probably introvert on this story but uh that you you have them hey when the boat comes across grab the back of the boat and then step use it to balance yourself and step onto the moving platforms a disabled person its guess with disability and feel that can’t walk but not very well right yeah okay so and you tell otherwise Mickey will come back here comes a boat exact grab hold at Peter Pan’s flight has a story where they or a guest has tripped like there’s a million at all of us because it just is not safe but anyway so everyone trips this particular guest trip fell face-first into the track and then the e stopped it but all when the e stop happens all the boats like kind of swing forward and the boats Wang right into his neck so I got there – like Reservoir Dogs blood and I thought he was dead but he wasn’t but bad is too bad it was really bad accident and then Captain Hook you guys it was dark they gonna swoop in there they airlifted him over the it’s a small world building which I thought was pretty funny but yeah two days later I had my next interview for management and that accent had just happened and so every all my different interviews were like were you part of the incident and I was like I was the first responder to the incident and I got promoted the next week Billy did such a good job ships – because it was Valentine’s Day when this happened and I even back then always single had the one of the guys like look I have a girlfriend I want to switch you know can you work my night shift and I’m like sure fine and I did it and that happened and we both were up for manager he didn’t get it and I did it so I always would tell him it’s because we were there it would have been you because you would have dealt with the Valentine’s Day Massacre that day every year on Valentine’s Day we still email each other and be like happy Massacre day let’s see if that opportunistic approach to your job applies to YouTube so you went you guys moved to LA yeah from Florida yeah in 2007 you kind of deliver an ultimatum that listen I got to get out of here and you were both there at the time at Disney World well he finished film school yeah and was doing working in the industry and working his way up through camera departments and stuff now where’d you go to school Hunter College which is a city School in New York City okay and so when he was doing that he was making his way I’ve worked for Comedy Central shows and different series and stuff and then the decision was because we were still making stuff together when we could because we had already made feature films I went to film festivals we had like done stuff already even in like high school but it kind of stopped because of us separating and then he I remember the conversation even if like what what makes sense being like I can keep doing this and I might be able to move up and get maybe that working on other or do we say no like why are we gonna keep working for other people we need to just get back together it’s been years and let’s just I’m making things together again and go and we already specifically for the year for the internet correct and we were just like we saw things like Homestar Runner and channel 101 and we were just like we just needed this 2005 this was well this was 2003 when this conversation happened because this was we had gone through the film festival circuit in 2001 not the big film festivals just even small ones with our comp with our live r1 live-action feature and thought that was the plan every year were gonna make a feature we were influenced by Kevin Smith and thought oh he made it we can make it and we could do this they saw right away impossible like two former Orthodox Jews who know no one is never gonna make in the film festival circuit what do we do and the internet was a decision we made in 2003 being like the Internet we don’t we didn’t imagine it was gonna be this but we thought that’s gonna be a way to get audience its kind of way to show people when you have no connections hey you can make something I’m interested in how kids react came about but let’s go back to the whole maker part of this because I remember it the at the the founding moments of maker you guys were a part of that or for shortly afterward yeah we were not a part of that original like when the trailer came out and even the fish station to station trailer and that core group not to a punch yeah it’s now now what people know or not know is called nacho punch ah but originally youtube.com slash the station which brings you to nacho pond correct was that group the group of some really elite top youtubers at that time which at that time the biggest ones were Philip DeFranco Shane Dawson and Hayes and then other people were in there lisanova shaycarl Kassem G hi I’m Ron and one way today there is that all of them totally sketch well totally sketch but he was there he was my consideration right he wasn’t like the correct in the trailer so they made a bunch of content already got it off the ground and then we were in the scenario where like we always thought we would never be able to become some bigger thing on YouTube we would we always wanted to work for a college humor we were like this is I guess what we have but we needed to make we had to make a living like look for a job still has still flying back to Orlando to still work every few months is they let me stay on as a seasonal manager so I would fly back every few months he had a day job on the belt get back here if we need help but so we went in there just kind of we wanted to have just a conversation with the people that were running the company because we knew some of them and we knew Shane and it was like well how can we maybe help you guys can we maybe get a paycheck is how it kind of started and from there they kind of sold us on like you should just be here yeah and within two months we were the head of production and the head of creative for maker studios and hired the entire first staff and we’re producing or writing or combination for all of those channels at from like November oh 9 to July 2010 something like that though very few people even know we were ever there because the whole point of it even for us was like we’re running it for everyone else it was not about us it was about all of them and building something that they talked about in an idealistic way that we believed in once things stopped matching up with where the company was going to what we believed in we left so you were producing things that we would know like you mentioned to me going deep with kassimatis mg yeah yeah it would be the station again natural punch they recently they got rid of all the videos you can’t see them anymore so all this work that we did over at the station is no longer online so there was a whole bunch of things that were on the station that we were involved with and series that never finished and things like that but so there’s all that series there and then the we in the beginning of going deep with cast mg we helped the book that show and his awkward moments was something we helped him with too and the shaycarl channel like things like man versus wife and the perfect life I don’t know if you remember those shows and we were I think we actually wrote all the perfect life episodes we wrote a bunch of stuff for Shea we wrote more for Shea than we wrote for other people either we really liked writing for Shea but then we would help produce and we brought another writers we had a whole contributing writing system for like all the comedy clubs so a lot of the sketch comedy that would show up on the station was written by writers that – there’s writers on community now that wrote things for maker that we had gotten in connection with Matz even how we met nice Peter that way – he was epic Lloyd runs the west side comedy theater so we wrote him yeah he told us yeah we had him in here so they told us how you and Lloyd kind of brought Peter I really remember being on the phone with him outside of makers like Motel lights I we it wasn’t called maker yet I don’t thank you but we were was it it was but no one referred to it I was like outside just making these calls because there’s no privacy we were all like bunched together in these rooms said so I was walking out calling each of the the heads of these various places of the UCB and Groundlings and everything and I remember just getting on the phone with Lloyd and he was just like I’ve got like three people I want to send you and it’s too late waits in Scenario we saw a couple of nice Peter videos and we’re like right like we have to bring this guy yet so it was it was there was a lot of fun I would say there was a lot of positives in terms of the content that was being made but what was the mismatch what happened well there I think that there were steps along the way of like even when we around the time that we first got there you know Shane and Phil like had they’re kind of falling out and they ended up having their reasons and if they’re on here they could maybe talk about their reasons but so well they both been on here so now you have to tell us there they didn’t talk about it well they had lots of other things to talk about well I we can’t really talk about it what are your reasons you know not allowed to really talk about it but the basic idea is that things did not align like in the idea of us growing a company and being a part of like the top of a company being executives at a company and also again if it really matches you we’re known better or worse is also being very vocal people about multi-channel networks in general right and maker it was like the first one and we were there when it first happened when we all joined into one CMS account we were I remember the day we all signed the paperwork to do it like it’s a very big deal and from being around what that meant and our beliefs in that system and especially when you even see now it wasn’t just because of our history there that we felt that way we have very specific things about being taken advantage of that we didn’t want to see happen in certain paper works for any MCN and certain things like that started not aligning with their where they were trying to grow the company into this gigantic mega thing that it is today versus this thing that was really going to be a United Artists supporting each other growing to grow and promote people and that was there was just a conflict in terms of in a way it is like being more of a business versus being a business but in a Content way and it didn’t line up that’s that’s that’s a very s the political way it’s a political way and like there’s there’s a lot of other reasons and it just uh we couldn’t work there anymore but we would but at the same time like on our side we couldn’t work there anymore but we wanted to fully still support and help and be a part of it however we could we just knew that whatever we the idea originally was like the fine brothers are done we’re now a part of another company you know like just like if we were to have gone and worked for a college team where would it be about us anywhere would be about College Humor so that that period of eight or nine months was no more us we’re going to create more fine brothers we’re gonna help other people and then we finally were just like with what we believe in and the way that we want to get there and how we want to treat people and across the board we knew that we had to go and do our own thing but be supportive and help them how if they wanted if they wanted it and they didn’t and everyone want it right when we left working for the station and maker there were opportunities other places a lot of other people came knocking being like a run our digital studio and we entertain those for a bit thing knows that we want to do and then realize well you know we’ve never been full-time on YouTube before and even being around something like maker energizes you a little bit when we’re doing this for everyone else they’re like well we’ve never tried like what would happen if we just developed and just said let’s take let’s take six months and let’s see what happens and that’s what we decided to executives in five years you know and it’s led to a brainstorm and I don’t have the flash card that I found when we moved that had multiple things on it but one of it was like kids reacting to something question mark what it was on the note card other shows that we leave like a Lindsay Lohan making fun think there was something called one week equals seven days that we’ve never made ever done that you never liked enough for us to make and what is that it doesn’t work I’m never gonna win I think last moments was on there what is what no-nos doing it’s it’s the the the gist of it is that the sketch is it’ll start with like you know Sunday and then you see little vignettes that happened throughout an entire week that tell a whole story one week equals seven days okay so you’re able to quickly see in like a minute or two minutes like this crazy or somebody over there will start working on that but perfect you’ll see that it’s a brilliant idea way to think of the biggest form so it was part of a large slate of development that we were in production for a couple of months shooting a ton of different things that yeah this was like a shooting out of the experience of the maker thing yeah we’re like we are going to rack our brains list a bunch of ideas and then we’re gonna produce a whole bunch of before even before maker we we had a system of how we shoot things which was like there’s no point you’re gonna if you have a show that you want to make if you have a format you have to be obviously to really test it isn’t we don’t really think that piloting with one Episode it really gives you a gauge on YouTube pretty much we’re like it’s it’s a two-man team and you know you can do everything with two people and this is even what we brought to maker it’s like everything’s gonna be two men that’s gonna be like a great like director a camera person and then a super PA and so that was pretty much always kind of like our kind of version of it and then you have to be able to like shoot three in a day like whatever that thing is gotta be three in a day so we were doing that and we brought that whole idea to maker for all the talent and all their shows and whatever we would be producing and so we went back out of that being like great why don’t we basically just make like 10 of those and like just go crazy and so that whole time look we rebranded the channel it was a new show every Sunday that was the idea that sometimes was the same show but like we’d have four different shows running at a given time they would air once a month right but you weren’t just thinking I think we talked about this a little bit earlier but yeah you weren’t just thinking oh this is a funny idea this would make a great viral video which I think a lot of times is the trap that we get caught in when we create they always think viral series I mean I think which I think it’s it’s so smart you know for obvious reasons when something catches in the mist oh we’ve got the formula specially if you can do shoot three in a day as a criteria that’s storming well we didn’t make the mistake of shooting for three days that’s not and that’s the other side of it of the other reason why we really bought into the bought into that concept and even at maker it works really well was like if you do that and find things you really do like that you can shoot that much of it frees you up to do the thing that takes you three days to shoot one thing and you’re not panicked about when my next video is coming out because already shot all these other videos we would have conversations with each of them like we’d be like guys like the likeshe or Casper or Timmy okay mom let me come on Virginia anyways just like then I get to yes you got it you got a you know you got to do this then you have to this is how you get your channel going you gotta have it gotta be constant you gotta be movie you can’t have a week where you’re missing all that stuff like the whole strategy of that idea that has become synonymous with what YouTube is if you’re a big channel and then we were like and they’d be like I don’t you need to make this thing we’re like we’re not gonna make that thing until you make once you have these nine episodes in the can we’ll make that big like you hold on source and they towards it but anyway so right so it was but even then the goal of throwing things on the wall was finding a format because we had the lost parodies we had spoilers things that were very popular but never stuck in the way that we saw other things at the time Epic Meal Time in a normal orange and completely we were like whoa this is working now we could we have to find what that is what is our Annoying Orange I think we like talking with Dane the creator of Annoying Orange and everything we were friends with him for a really long time and we saw him go through almost a similar process where he was always making like weird little viral series like funny really great viral stuff what off eggs yeah like one offs and series he would have all these things like theme and face and like all this stuff that he would do and he had this base of like a good every video we put out no doubt would get 50 to 100 thousand views and we were also in that boat we were like 50 100,000 views and you’d never really seen anything pop more than that and you’d be like okay who knows and they know listen put out annoying orange and it was insanity and so we were we started seeing that that idea of like if we just find the show because we have that similar kind of thing we have this audience that will then seed it to everybody if it hits and we thought maybe it would be spoilers if you didn’t different way we thought about that being weekly at one point but then if you go back talk the around October 2010 when kids react started there was a narrative web series going there was our Lindsay Lohan kind of pop-culture parody thing there was interactive content we were making the last moments of relationship to the show that we still kind of do now they were all just kind of going going going and even right away when we shot kids react which the the main the early origination of the idea was that I was around kids for various things we were shooting at maker and I had to and I would if I was directing or even if I was producing I would try as you guys have worked with kids a lot you gotta if you really need them to perform you’ve got to become friends with that kid before you start rolling it’s they’re gonna shut down so I started having a lot more detailed conversations with children and it was fascinating me I was like starting trying to talk to him about things and then realizing oh they’re holding a phone and like you know the whole conversation was like this was not me when I was a child okay at all and I thought wasn’t that long ago and so it became from a scripted place first and we were like what’s like some way we can show the difference between children now and the past and a script and then as we started talking about that idea it shifted into YouTube and YouTube videos and kids watching and what would they think about seeing this and like why are we doing this we should just show them a video is kind of how we got to it and it was we weren’t even sure like we brought in the kids and we didn’t know exactly I was gonna be edited together we did young yeah that we wanted to show them a bunch of videos we didn’t really know that it was gonna be kind of like this separation of watching in question time I don’t we knew we knew footage and start we took the ideas of like well we know we want to cover a lot of different things in that first episode had like double rainbow in it which was huge in a really big video but then it also had President Obama in a viral video because even then we were playing around with well what about kids talking about more serious things like so it was like that first two episodes of kids right there you can see our mind at play after all we tried these types of things yes does it all work and we even then were like we think the most interesting is probably the President Obama like you know and even to this day those more bigger episodes are the ones that we really get the most passionate about and love that we have a format to talk about things like bullying in a real way and things like that but that’s where it really all came from and then right away when he was editing it I remember looking at a cut and I didn’t know it would be what it would be but I was like this is going to be like this is gonna this is a million views quick like I know this is gonna travel around the web because we had so many relationship for so many websites by that point of years of being featured on places so we were just like everybody’s gonna post this thing like sometimes we’d be like have we can only send this like 20 people this one was like this is like much more mainstream and more Universal than anything we’d made before one of the reasons we love talking to you is I feel like we you know we were constant trying to learn and you know that because you guys are so active in the way that you think and you’re students of the medium there’s no telling what you’re gonna continue to produce and you’re gonna continue to stay busy I think the question I’ve got for you is when you know when you get to that point where you’re like okay I feel like we can kind of take our foot off the gas and I know it’s tough to do and I can relate to that yeah what do you want to do when you settle down what is settling down for the fine brothers I think only like literally when we moved was the first time we even had a moment to start thinking about that I mean I know for me I really want to travel I definitely want to see more of the world in the same way that I’m getting to in a way I want to make content there but there had to decide it’s like I want to I always have a and it’s just gotten more by doing these react shows I love to meet people and I love to see the way I like realizing how how easy you can get stuck in your own life and especially in America Americans are very much this way we don’t go anywhere we haven’t we feel like we’re the center of the universe versus going to other countries and we’re how do people really live in these places what is different human to human living somewhere else versus living here I’d really like to do more traveling and I even looked so you guys we’ve talked about this sometimes of like there’s envy even to the fact of you being able to still produce the content that you do at the quality you make it with families because that is something we’re why it’s something I really want ya know like we both haven’t gotten to the point we were like we want families but it’s just we want being envious of people like you guys and we have specifically you guys have come up in that sense of like it’s a it’s amazing to see that you guys have been able to do what you’ve done and have also this whole literally this whole life like like literally what quote-unquote life is for people you’ve somehow been able to do both and for me I’ve just been I couldn’t even imagine being able to even I don’t even know how I’m gonna get to that point where I can’t even without ready to do that I said how bad dude I got pregnant get a random baby you guys did right the first ones you can talk it talked into it and everything J sexy guys we we wish you the best in what you’re doing now and in those plans for the future so we’ll keep tabs on that and it’s time for you to sign the table [Music] all right there you have it our conversation with Benny and Rafi fine I mean these guys are defining digital entertainment I mean it’s it’s it’s an honor to call them friends and it’s it’s nice to have been able to really understand their story and I mean I was struck with the fact that they’ve really paid their dues you know kids react is by no means the first viral thing that they ever created and even the things on even before their channel they were creating viral videos on MySpace well I mean that’s that’s going way back I think that you know there is a perception from people who either you know aren’t involved in the YouTube community don’t know many people who are who they see YouTube is a place where accidents happen you know oh yeah the guy who made that video and it accidentally went viral and and while that is a dynamic of YouTube when you talk to somebody like the fine brothers you’re just struck with the systematic approach the calculation is so calculated is so tenacious and I know that’s something everybody has had in common in one sense who’s been on air biscuits if they’re also it’s a nation’s but these guys are not just tenacious they’re smart and calculated and purposeful and but we we luckily in fact after they left we just talked to him for a while Bethany left you mean after we stopped recording they were still here when we lost yeah after yeah well I was on the phone with him that’s what I didn’t say yeah after we stopped recording we just kept talking to him and asking them all these questions we can’t I mean you know it’s tough you wouldn’t care about the the minor details and nuances of uploading and you know YouTube videos seriously another hour maybe an hour and a half of that and they could have kept going that’s the thing is I love when I feel like I’ve tapped into something and they just start talking completing each other’s sentences and just going and going and going and going and these guys are a wealth of knowledge I mean they’ve they should write a book you know what we should write a book and get them to write it ghosts right all right yeah that’s what happens on your biscuit that’s what you get chomped down go to the deep end I don’t whatever kind of euphemism you want to use if you like being touched you’re in the right place we do it every week so I’m gonna I Tunes SoundCloud stitcher you know I’m gonna retract that just that’s why there’s two of us I’m gonna retract that if you like being touched you know listen if you don’t like be in touch if you’re skittish about that kind of thing you’re welcome here too because we’re not gonna touch you unless it’s with sound waves going into your ears exactly what I meant all right well see you or you’ll hear us next week [Music] [Music]