[Music] welcome to ear biscuits I’m Rhett and I’m link it’s time for another conversation with someone interesting from the internet this week that person is a monk rawson known on the internet as alpha cat he’s one of the most recognized Barack Obama impersonators in the Whizzer old you remember Obama singing Beyonce yeah single ladies 20 million views that was him and Ti yes that was him 20 million views and the epic rap battles of history against Romney yeah 81 million views link okay now that’s a mod in mine he’s a lot more than that a lot more videos than just those he’s a longtime youtuber with over half a million subscribers but he’s recently established himself as a superstar on vine have you heard a vine 2.4 million followers on that platform so he gives us a crash course on what vine is and we discussed the fascinating differences between vine and YouTube including the prevalence of black comedians on vine which is something that we didn’t know how to ask the question but we did want to talk about it we’re to ask it though we also discuss how a potentially racist comment changed the entire trajectory of his career and what it’s like living under the weighty expectations of being that guy who does the Obama impersonation could you do that for us again again why are you doing anything else but that now ok that’s what we discuss I don’t know if there is a presidential mandate about what I have done as a parent I could definitely see the first lady saying that she would not advise me to do this you know the first lady always has like these mandates and stuff not really mandates but you know we’re like you know Michelle Obama I know that if you talk about your wife I can assume that she has lots of mandates who know I don’t call my wife the first lady because that would make me some sort of official and I don’t want that kind of pressure I’m just saying you know how much you haven’t earned it Michelle Obama wants all the kids to be in shape but she’ll also like do some stuff for like safety and that kind of thing I’m just trying to basically make a segue into the fact that I’ve got a trampoline for my kids and I feel guilty about it about this and not only do you have a trampoline you got a used trampoline right that will the best kind first of all trampolines are not that expensive just a few hundred bucks you can have a very large piece of equipment in your backyard how much did you pay for yours zero now this is the same friend who gave you the NBA Tickets we talked about this guy listen you missed the I’ve known this guy Jay for like six months sugar that he’s given me more stuff than you’ve given me in a lifetime well he’s got connections I don’t have it he it’s a reflection of how much I care I don’t care about you read its I only have what you have because we we’re in the same place in life but I will say that giving somebody a used trampoline I mean this is not this is not sugar daddy scenario it could be argued that it’s a it’s a kid death wish I mean these things are dangerous this is hey I’ve got a trampoline my kids don’t want it anymore and Jessie has repeatedly said my wife has said you know sometimes the kids drive me crazy and they’re really into gymnastics and diving and they are those kinds of kids that jump around and flip and that kind of thing so and they love trampolines their cousins have one why don’t we get the kids a trampoline it’ll give them something to do now I I have heard this Russian how many times and I I get it I totally get it from friends who have kids that are just they just want their just active kids you know I mean your kids block and Shepherd they are they’re active I mean there are times when they literally are bouncing off the walls and it’s just you have to channel that into something positive or I store it will it it could be unlivable for someone like Jessie or for Christy being at home with the kids homeschooling and I mean or no cost they are constantly it’s difficult jumping on and off of things and each other you’ve got to find a way to wear them out if you can’t afford a swimming pool well what are you gonna do right so well I got a free trampoline that’s what I actually I did buy their family ice cream they gave me a trampoline yeah you know and this is funny it’s one of those things that this is why this is why it’s good to have a partner in life sometimes and if I want my wife at this juncture okay and that is because we go over there and they disassemble the trampoline which is a lot easier than you would think I mean this thing breaks down into small pieces that you can get like the trunk of a car you like pull one coordinate it just falls apart right no you have to individually from these things with a special tool the springs oh yeah it’s pretty I mean you feel like you’re about to lose an eye but that didn’t happen but then we take it apart we put it in the in the car and then they’re like you guys want to go get ice cream you know the equipment’s dangerous when you could lose an eye taking it apart well yeah but it’s it’s probably more dangerous to assemble in and disassemble than it is to jump on paediatricians would not tell you that though so we go to get ice cream after this you know after the disassembly and then we’re buying the ice cream for our family and their family is ordering ice cream to kind of like free-for-all like multiple people ordering from multiple places along the counter and Jessie’s like you should pay for their ice cream they just gave and so then I turn around like we got this we got this payment you know this is the least that we could do for this trampoline pay you know give you $15 or so for ice cream but yeah I mean they weren’t expecting that they didn’t give it to me so they would get free ice cream they didn’t want it anymore and we could use it what if they did though well they got the ice cream then I mean no one’s complaining and they didn’t until right now unless Jay is listening they don’t know that it wasn’t my idea so you know did you tell him now I’m buying this ice cream for you and for your kids but I just want to let you know that your kids could choke and die on this ice cream no it’s not it may not happen but pediatricians say that you could choke and die on this ice cream well you’ve done in the same way traditions don’t say that they don’t know because ice cream melts what if there’s a cherry in there or something what about trampolines but okay so they actually do now you know I know there’s more responsible parents out there than me and I did after we had already made the decision together I didn’t have to go on the internet to learn that trampolines are dangerous I know that people don’t recommend trampoline news and that’s why my mom and dad never let us have one huh my mom’s like you could die on a trampoline my cousin died or so you know there’s always a story somebody died on a trampoline because it happens well you die you get you break your neck I mean it’s a freaking platform in the back yard that kids jump on I mean this is not safe that’s not why we got it we didn’t get it cuz it was safe we got it because it was fun but they have a mosquito net around him now all right well they do all come with nets most of them come with nets and it’s that’s recommended I do think that that helps it’s for but it’s only for malaria but for some reason I made the mistake of after I put the thing together which I’m going to tell you about in one second has something that happened that was important I did then began looking at the research and that was when I found that you know they asked like 10,000 ER doctors what is a top piece of advice that you would give to parents out there the top piece of advice from ER doctors just say no to trampolines and I’m like oh you know this I got a one-way ticket to the emergency room in my backyard now so I’m that’s what I’m dealing with is a little bit of a guilt complex but I’ll tell you the kids are having a blast it’s funny when you said that one way ticket to the emergency room I pictured a kid jumping so high that he landed in an emergency I don’t think but that’s not what you meant no but I will say it was not easy to put together you have to stretch the net across and you have to line it up perfectly because you’ve got all these Springs and they have to be you have to line them up perfectly or else let you have to do one and then do one right opposite from it right that’s not the net that’s the bouncy nothing that yeah did the actual trampoline part of it then I guess that’s what you call it the bouncy part yeah the black part and I sit there with my friend Antonio and then Ron and his family come over and we’re doing this thing it took me you know an hour and a half maybe to get this thing put together the very last step it was impossible to get these last few Springs into place like we’re double teaming this thing I got I got a pair of pliers Antonio’s got the tool and we’re like all up on each other to kind of pull in on these things and then Olivia you know little Olivia who’s like eight years old however she is run Ron’s daughter the girl in spot the difference the girl from the spot the differences video all of a sudden she’s like why don’t you do it like this and we look over there and she has put in with this she put the spring in the the bar side the outside of the trampoline first yeah I know the trampoline side first and then pulled it to the bar and it was just like went right in and we’re sitting there two two adult men with a pair of pliers the tool that they ring did they give you with the trampoline I mean I thought I was going to get a hernia trying to get this thing in place and this little eight-year-old girl is over there doing it correctly and we had done every single spring except the last like two and I was like you know what Olivia that just might work and I go and I do it her way and it was like the last two were just oh and I was like why didn’t you say something earlier little girl little girl that was in our spot the differences video because that’s what we call you now we call our liver now question did you go out and buy her an ice cream cone no no no she didn’t give me the trampoline she just gave me a tip she gave me at least a frickin klonda and she didn’t help a whole lot I fed her dinner and they were good they were there for dinner you know the girl a Klondike bar man anyway if you’ve got to assemble the trampoline first of all pediatricians will tell you you shouldn’t second of all the springs put them on the black part first and then pull them out and put them into the frame like a nutty buddy or like uh what kind of nutty buddy what you talking about like or a popsicle or something you have anything laying around you can give her my wife baked cookies for okay she was well taken care of she was well compensated for her tip speaking of trampolines and death-defying stunts we talked to alpha cat remember that oh yeah yeah yeah so here it is our conversation with Amon enjoy [Music] okay so we obviously know you through YouTube not only through our collaboration way back in the day but just because you’re you on YouTube but now you are also something arguably even bigger on vine and I am fascinated by the world of vine so I want to talk about that 2.4 million followers on vine mm-hmm I mean versus you got six hundred thousand subscribers on your main YouTube channel right so over the past year right the vine thing is just blown up for you yeah yeah yeah so I want to get into that okay now I mean I have an icon on my phone that says vine but I haven’t open it I think I added the application because I I felt like I should write like like months and months ago hmm maybe when it first started and then I never did it so I’m just kind of hearing from the sidelines the whole vine thing right I think you’ve like me to write when you got your account and you don’t do it either yeah this we’re going months back and I didn’t really understand now I understand but I have not gone back to enter the world because now it’s gotten like oh I get it now when I watch it but I’m like I don’t know if I get I don’t know if I can do it I don’t know if I can commit just explain it in general before we get into specifically what you do and how you blew up and what that means okay well for those that aren’t familiar with vine it’s uh it’s a six second video app for your phone take six second video and basically with me and then it loops it and loops it it loops it automatically indefinitely actually if you let a video play continuously it will stop itself and I’ve never counted how many I’m gonna guess like maybe thirty times it’ll and after 30 it’ll stop oh really but like I’ve been like doing something I’ll watch a vine and set my phone down and like I forget that it’s going but I hear it in the background and it stops so there is a point what it’ll stop but that’s irrelevant but alright that’s different than Instagram video which does not loop and it’s also longer a 15 seconds yeah up to yeah up to 15 seconds and vine is six there’s no r26 it’s always six well I think it’s I think it’s between three and six I think you know I think you can post as short as three seconds I’m okay so you something you can edit the end a little bit right now you want it so yeah and I do comedic vines of course and it’s a really interesting world to like find a medium that’s six seconds long and make it something that works that people actually want to see right but it also works because we’re in a the microwave age of things have to be so instant and so fast the people’s time their attention span is a lot shorter the free time is a lot less so they would like to be able to look at something that’s really quick and brief and then they can just move on you know and it’s right there on your phone I mean it works like Instagram mmm so when you first heard about vine and decided to be a part of it I mean my first reaction was well I think the Instagram video came out after vine but not long after it so when I had first heard of vine I knew that Instagram video was coming out at the same time I was like well I’m kind of doing Instagram at least a little bit why would I want to do vine you know who knew that those differences would create kind of a its own art form that’s I mean much more prolific on vine in terms of video than just kind of this added thing on Instagram what were you thinking at first with vine at first I just watched it and I just observed because I you know it had as as youtubers and as veteran youtubers it’s like you see these things come out and sometimes some of them have similarities to what the original YouTube platform was like when it first came out and with vine I saw a lot of similarities and there’s like a pressure to know be in the know on everything exactly and so I watched knowing what could potentially happen and I and just a lot of the things that I was seeing just reminded me of YouTube and a good friend of mine who goes by king batch on on vine I think he’s like the number one account he he started it off and I was kind of watching him do it I was just kind of observing what happened because at the time I was like so strictly YouTube and I’m like I have YouTube I have Instagram you know but I was watching him and his account was boring and I was saying that people were taking to it and then that’s when Instagram video came out with their video stuff mm-hmm and then everyone swore up and down they’re like okay well that’s the end of vine right you know answer my maths videos video and they’re bigger but in some interesting happens is that everyone kind of flocked to Instagram for like a day and then they came right back to vine and the thing was at that point that I was like okay I need to start making vines because if it’s a like another Li a day or like just it’s like overnight it kind of seemed like overnight I would say I was I do remember that because when it happened I had that vine account but I wasn’t thinking I was gonna do anything with it and then when Instagram came out with it cuz it wasn’t right after it was I don’t know the exact timeline but it was months maybe a year after and then it was like all these articles came out said oh the death of no integrated people like experts are saying this is gonna happen I remember thinking exactly the same thing I was like okay well there goes vine I feel bad for those guys who started that company and then I remember seeing Reggie Watts post something where he said he said I’m gonna do I’m not gonna do any videos on Instagram I’m only gonna do those on vine and I remember thinking there’s something there and it was this it was the day after the announcement right you experienced the same thing and you were watching King batch who has like 5 million mmm followers mm-hmm so he’s a personal friend of yours even at the time so you were just kind of watching his yeah like I was watching him and he was making some really funny stuff and I was just kind of observing because it’s you know you kind of have to be picky with your time especially yeah as a youtuber so I was like kind of just observing because there’s a lot of other video sites that have come along like he can like a lot other ones that just don’t stick around right so I was just kind of observing his see because I was like if ITIF it sticks around long enough then I’ll get into it because I want to be a part of it and was he did he come from YouTube or he has a YouTube account but he did he I can’t say he particularly came from YouTube he’s an actor that you know he does a lot of directing and producing as well as you know acting as well so okay got it but so yeah I watched it and like he was getting more successful then I kind of got the itch like well I want to do it cuz this looks fun you know so then I jumped into it and just like YouTube the process was pretty much the same it’s like you get into it you have your own thing that you want to do but then you collab with people you get them to you know on their on your account you get on theirs and just you know you spray each other’s videos it’s a lot of the same thing even some of their like early on YouTube bickering when people first started getting attention same thing was happening drama so I got a for me I felt kind of privileged to be able to watch it know one step by step what was gonna happen before anything even have even before like vine like vine now allows you to do a little bit of editing within the app in the beginning you couldn’t do anything at all and people that were finding ways to edit we’re getting hated on because everyone else is like that’s not how it’s what it was created to be and it’s supposed to be like this and the new school kids are like it’s supposed to be like that and then watch them like this reminds me of YouTube back in the day like you know certain people wanted to front page and they wanted to not have corporation this and I’m thinking the whole time watch vine it’s gonna start getting corporate any day now it’s gonna happen really quick so what were some of the first specific vines you did that were ok this is gonna work for me too I think one of the first vines that I had some good ones early on but the first one that comes to mind was one that I did where I was dressed as Obama and this guy yells me Obama sucks and we did some whip hands so that we can kind of like you know hide the cut yeah hide the cut so we did a whip pan and then when it when it cuts back to me I’m suddenly I’m standing I’m saying what did you say it was back to him and then he’s surrounded by Secret Service and then they snap his neck and I’m like you better watch your mouth I got those goons you know just walk off and you know people really like that one and the cool thing about vine for me was that I was able to not only introduce what I’ve been doing with the whole bomber thing but also do some original ideas and mix it up a bit you know and I think doing that and also for a while like I was posting at least twice a day for like at least like a good month straight which which really helped so a lot of different things can contribute it so wasn’t yeah you would do some Obama but then you would do just something else yeah and the thing is I have 200 and something vines on my account and only a fraction of that is Obama you know and like I think my biggest vine actually is not even in Obama video so what’s the biggest one of my one of my biggest ones is called where you from ok that’s actually where you from excuse my language but I’ll call it where you’re from and we’re familiar with this one this is when everybody’s dancing in the swish pan to you and you’re like Pierrot wedding yeah yeah yeah and when I explained that when it’s funny vine advanced like a lot of ideas are hard to explain when you have you you make sense up here and explain any people are just kind of looking at you like huh and I saw explaining I was like you know let’s just shoot it and I’m gonna I was like I’m gonna do some some ballet stuff so just you know and I don’t think the guys knew that I actually was classically trained and danced so when I did it the first take I told him to look shocks and the first take the I’ll actually were shocked and started laughing I was like they were like we didn’t know you could do that I was like yeah I told you I’m gonna do some ballet stuff so you know we had to do it a few times and um it came out really good so and that one just really blew up that night and how do you measure when it does well because it’s not views right I mean there’s no view counts no view counts but then you pay attention to your likes and your vines but particularly for me like and at where I met it’s good to have like stay like standards in general it’s good to like get a hundred likes a minute when you post something if you’re I would say like if you’re up you know 100,000 followers and up it’s good to have like 100 likes a minute and then after that you want to look at try to getting 200 likes a minute or three so when I tend to be in the 200 to 300 likes a minute range that’s a really really good vine but also at the same time the numbers are changing because the site’s getting more and more flooded so people aren’t always pulling those numbers anymore you’ll have good ideas and you’ll get good like Sandri vines but you don’t always always pull those numbers anymore so now we had a storm come in when we shot a Christmas face music video we did end of the year and I was kind of picking his brain about vine and one of the things he told me was he said I’ll know within just a matter of minutes if it if a vine I’ve done is gonna work oh yeah and then he said that he would take some down even if they weren’t working he would take him down because he wanted everything on this channel to be hot right and really take off right I mean is that do you go that far to really kind of comb through what’s working or not take things down if it’s if it’s not yeah I mean that’s exactly what we do we all do that like you know we’ll put something up and we watch the like count within like five to 10 minutes and if it’s not doing what we expect what we should be if it’s not performing up to par we just take it down well it’s interesting because it’s a six second video so it’s not like it’s not like a YouTube video it’s not like oh did this music video I don’t care if you don’t like it you’re gonna watch exactly a YouTube video you know the mics aren’t that great well I did it and it’s up secure but a six-second video is very easy to throw away when you when it’s not if it’s not it’s not doing well you know you didn’t spend tons of money on a set and you know extras and you know crew you just shot it yourself with your friends so there’s not it’s not you’re not losing much just to delete a vine also in terms of having or wanting to have everything when your page be really good that helps when people come to your vine account because there’s Brandon goes a lot of branding deals going on now and they scroll through it that you don’t want to you don’t want them to see a lot of like nonsense like for instance I never forget me and badge had a conversation one King badge yeah and he was explaining why he did it cuz I was before I did I used to not delete anything partially because I’m that good but no but I was talking about and he was explaining like how does I asked him I said why is it that because we were talking about another Viner who was much bigger than him at the time and I said why is this person and just post anything and they’re still growing and but at the same time you you’re very selective and he and I said but you’re I said he post more than you but you’re still growing more than that guy cuz I was just watching these two and he said well it’s because I don’t put up I don’t let any like random fluff just remain on my vine account like if it’s if it’s not hidden if it’s not poppin I take it right back down so that every single bond you when you scroll through is like a big vine or like a really like impressive vine and it just kind of convinces your effort well cuz it’s amazing even you know right before you came in and we’re you know kind of looking at your latest finds the way that you enjoy somebody’s profile is oh I’ve just watched 15 vines you know in a couple of minutes so it does have this it’s just a totally different philosophy haha how have you seen you know what you knew about YouTube you’ve kind of explained some of these differences already but what are some of the key differences between something that works on YouTube and something that works on vine I think with with YouTube there’s a lot of differences let me start with vine with vine it’s like you got six seconds you always want to end on a punch and you want it to be relatable in the sense it’s very similar to YouTube I think the difference is just a time frame in the format you know it’s like you know you have six seconds on YouTube you have you have longer on vine you don’t have as much time to build a backstory and you know tell like an elaborate highbrow joke you know it’s it’s it’s it’s really I don’t want to say rushed because it sounds like the wrong word but you really kind of have to get to the point and with YouTube you can sometimes take a little longer to develop a joke and to like have that character arch or that storyline arch or whatever but you can’t do that on vine if something has to be like one punch line it’s like a one hit joke yeah really I don’t I don’t oftentimes see a vine that has more than one punch line that works without it seeming chaotic and I see a lot of these days I see a lot of chaotic vines which is like a lot of screaming and yelling and then you can just see them trying to fit in a ton of jokes and it’s like you might want to just take it down and just stick to one joke sometimes less is more as cliches that is to say when it seems to me that I would say that they’re sillier m”d use is that you can be sillier on vine like some of your videos which are some of my favorite you just in with a face you know you just say something that’s just some girl on the phone and then turn to make a funny face at the camera and when I see that the first time I laugh and then I see the second time I left more than the third time I left more so it’s that repetition but it’s just silly you couldn’t just if you made that if you did a music video and then turn it made that face on YouTube I just think people wouldn’t like it you know the way this sucks does make faces well there’s I mean there’s certainly there’s like a physical element like a lot of them I’ve seen the more successful ones they have liked it they’re very relatable one joke or kind of physical thing or and then you’re out but I’m fascinated by I never would have thought that the looping of it would be so key that’s something that you think is funny just becomes funny or funnier I mean the only thing I can relate it to is the pee and I’m not one of these people but I observe the people who are obsessed with a certain comedy movie so they’ll watch it until they’ve memorized every part of it and it just gets funnier to them right I don’t even have the capacity for that but I have the capacity to watch a six second video 30 times that’s right but I’d I would not have guessed it would keep getting funnier it that’s just surprising to me right is that something that you anticipated or that you learned and now how do you how do you plan for it like how do you come up with ideas for me for me everything is about observational humor if it’s something that I laugh at through the day for something I chuckle at if someone does something that annoys me makes me mad makes me happy I’ve really pay attention to observational humor so that to me is what works because that’s what makes people relate to what you’re doing like the car alarm went yeah the car alarm Blayne now on well it’s happened often that I go to my car and I try to open it or unlock it and I think that alarms off and it’s not and then long goes off and you immediately feel like a criminal you know and you know I just I didn’t notice something a lot of people can relate to and or for instance there’s a vine that I shot you a jump cut that and all of a sudden you gotta figure out in your running car exactly so it’s like it’s you know observational humor is just things you notice that people can relate to that’s the very reason why people comment and tag other people because they’re saying oh this is just like you or just like me or this is just like us and that’s what you want is people to relate to what you’re doing so I’m gets a lot more traction NetWare right now a lot of be like videos too yeah you know it’s funny there’s a lot of meme urban memes like that that are have been coming out and it’s funny to me because to a lot of people it’s new but in like the urban areas and like you know we’re trying to say you know black neighborhoods are ghetto neighborhoods growing up that was just how we talked you know like when I was in elementary school and I was with my friends in like these urban you know schools these inner-city schools that’s just how we talk like oh man you’d be like this and like you do something silly to imitate how they are so that for me goes back to childhood but recently it’s kind of like a resurgence of like this new meme and it’s funny to watch everyone laugh at it cuz it’s like it’s to me it’s so old but yeah the people be like meme it’s just really funny to me because it’s just everyone can get made fun outfits Wow it you tell us I mean why is does that seem to be working so well on vine and maybe a more direct question is it seems like the perception of the Internet is the vine is more of a black thing than you do this I’ll just come out I’m just gonna come out and say it so you’re an authority on this is is that is that a proper perception I you know what I’ll be you know honestly maybe I mean maybe it is I can’t say yes I know for sure I know that with YouTube and all the years I’ve been on YouTube the black audience on YouTube isn’t as big or as strong as some of the other audiences and with vine for some reason I honestly can’t explain it but I just know that it’s been a lot easier for you know black people to do comedy on vine and get way more traction for some reason I honestly can’t explain why that is I don’t know if it’s because it’s a shorter format I don’t know if it’s because socially it’s just really in right now with with the younger generations if it’s more accessible to you know the young black audience I don’t know but it there does seem to be something different about vine that has attracted a lot more of an urban audience than YouTube ever really did so and maybe that’s why I was able to do a lot more on vine in the last year then I was able to do on YouTube in the last eight years you know so there’s this weird paradox there where I’m like I don’t know what like how did that do all this on vine so quickly but on YouTube I mean I had a lot a lot of great successes on YouTube and I’m honored to be a part of YouTube and part of one of you know the veteran crew but how do I do so much on vine so quickly but not on YouTube and maybe it’s because that you know now getting back to that one of your most popular it might be the most popular one that were you from you obviously aren’t classically trained or professionally trained dancer because you can’t do that kind of thing if you’re not so he’s a classically pink pirouette Errol is that what you were doing that’s that is a jazz pirouette okay so surgery jazz pure awareness jazz pirouette Estelle I get where are you from I black I was born in Louisville Kentucky and raised in Cincinnati Ohio so I was kind of raised in the Midwest and my family’s all from Kentucky and Tennessee so a lot of Southern roots there oh yeah so you know I think of to about barbecue oh yeah what was the parental and sibling situation I’m the youngest of five I’m baby big-ass baby but yeah the baby and how much younger is it close together we’re fairly close like my next sibling I believe is like 37 and I’m 31 okay and then there’s more so 46 years so yeah that is a legitimate baby yeah in six years yeah so my my parents were together and very Christian household so sometimes nowadays now that I’m older even though I’m a grown man sometimes you have those moments we like you want to do something you like my mom’s gonna see this oh yeah yeah still kind of a mom like a preacher or something no but you know we you know I grew up in church that was the drummer at my church very involved in church and in my family is very Christian family so sometimes you know my mother’s very Christian you know and like I know that she’s watching and she’s my biggest supporter so sometimes when I do things a little bit more on the adult side or like the edgy side I’m like mom maybe you don’t want to watch this one she’s like I want to watch everything he do so even I know that even if it’s not something that like you know she’s gonna be crazy about I know she’s still gonna watch and support so so it sounds like you’re not as devout as your parents are but you know your mom’s watching so it’s more your your maybe a little more accountable to your mom than you are to God himself I get that well not you know the thing is and this that’s an interesting point I think that the differences in generations it’s like I think that when you speak of devout I think that people nowadays can be just as devout beige they just few their activities differently because I consider myself as a devout person it’s just that I don’t really have any religious habits got it yeah my faith is still the same I just don’t have I can’t say I have any religious habits you know as some of the older generations do where they like they’re in church every Sunday Bible study Wednesday I can have the same beliefs and spread the same love but I just may not be having the same activities that you have so that’s an interesting point so what kind of household you know you guys joking around with each other all the time your parents earn money – I’m very very grateful cuz my household like my parent had two great parents that were like very in love and they were like two little kids and like they ran they would chase each other in the house they would like you know getting to like W like back then it was WWF now it’s w w yeah yeah they were getting to full-out WWE like wrestling matches like my mom would like clothesline my dad and like I would as a kid I would sit there just laughing and I was the funniest thing then I jump in to help my mom and you know so it was like was he like wearing like a speedo no that would be really weird just no that would that’s what they did W said WWF yeah I don’t know but I was wrestling with my dad he’s in a speedo mom could take it to the room but yeah so and my my family was a very or is a very fun goofy jokey family my sister was always trying to you know pop out and scare people and just you know mother sister would grab me by my back pockets and swing me around it was just you know very fun families so were you kind of spoiled as the baby now I can’t say I was spoiled um my parents definitely in any endeavors I wanted to go on as a child whether it was like acting or dance or playing instruments I played the flute I played the clarinet and then I played the drums anything within that order like the first instrument that was a flute it was it was a clarinet actually okay yeah I would love to like know what my dad was thinking the first was it bad I want to play the clarinet right and then this was like middle school no this is elementary Elementor all I wasn’t I was young yeah I was fourth grade okay I went to school we had a band and I was just really intrigued by music like an orchestra yeah and I was really intrigued by music so I asked my parents is like can I join the this Orchestra and they were like well what do you want to play and I said I won’t play the clarinet and you know and money I’m sure money was tight back then and it was expensive but they would always find a way to make it happen so it was the clarinet that got me cleaning that when it was flute the guy him to flute and when it was drums they eventually got me the drums so they always supported me no matter what and so I can’t say I was spoiled spoiled sounds like they just give you anything but my family definitely believe who are my parents definitely lived in hard work and they definitely enforced that there was no lazy sitting around not doing things but when it came to my artistic endeavors and things I want to do they were always behind me hundred percent so so was music was like the first artistic thing that you kind of latched on to no I mean dance – yeah dance I mean I was just an artistic like overall like I was just an artistic kid and like they put me in the school put the Creative and Performing Arts which is a performing arts school in Cincinnati Ohio and that started in seventh grade but before that I was always doing like you know plays at school and putting on performances for my parents from my family and I think that’s when they first noticed because I was doing little characters and trying to you know mimic Jim Carrey when he was on in living color and they were just like you know he obviously wants to act you know but in the process of going to the performing arts school they allowed you to really immerse yourself and many as in many different things and many different things as you wanted to so that’s when the music came in well the music came in before but I’m saying like in the process I was able to major in percussion study drums acting musical theater I did visual art for a while I was an art major for a little bit so I did some sculpting and painting so I was just really thankful that I was you know able to be immersed in that and do all those things because that’s where I needed to be I didn’t need to be in like a full-out academic school and I think not to get all preachy but I think parents should really pay attention to what their kids are doing and instead of you know trying to push them like you’re gonna be a lawyer like every man and our family’s been are you’re gonna be a doctor like every man maybe let them feel their way around and just just support them and just see what happens because then if I if they did not probably would be here with you guys right now so huh so you went to college as a what did you say I was a dance and acting major really yeah okay so that’s kind of where you landed by that point you want you went to school for dance and acting mm-hmm yeah I started off I went school and majored in dance at the time but by the time I graduated I wasn’t sure if I wanted to be an art major in college and I was looking into art schools and I really loved art and I loved studying art and all the Impressionists the prep the Impressionists were my favorite and but I just didn’t fill that thump in my chest about what I was doing I didn’t feel like this is my passion I loved it but it wasn’t like this is what I crave and what I craved was acting and dance and at the time I was really really into dance I loved so loved acting but I was really into dance so I went to college primarily at first the dance major and did that for a while and I loved it and did that for two years before I got picked up by a professional dance company so what kind of dancing we’re talking about here well in college it mean it was everything it was everything from ballet to modern to jazz to tap to African and then it was also hip-hop but hip-hop which is a part of culture for me growing up so that was just second nature I didn’t really have to take classes for hip-hop and then after two years in college during that a dance company called Dayton contemporary dance company or DC DC came and scouted at my college and they saw me they were like we want you to audition so and that’s what they that was usual for them they would come to the college and Scout the dance dancers and you know bring them in for auditions and I got it and this is what you were kind of waiting to happen it would seem yeah I mean I was looking to get in to a dance company you know I wasn’t at first but when it came around and it opened my eyes to it I was like you know I think I’d like to do this so I joined the dance company and at that time also to like financial aid and school was too expensive for me and my family and I couldn’t I honestly couldn’t continue in college anyway because I just couldn’t afford it so when that came along it was kind of like a blessing it’s like you know you know now I can move on to I want to be doing anyway I don’t necessarily need a degree in dance at the dance you know so or degree in acting to act so it’s fine you know I won’t get to finish college but I get to do what I love to do so they picked me up put me in the company and yeah how did so how do you get from that to finding fame on YouTube and discovering that career you did it blindside you what give us the Obamas story okay sure that okay you’ve had to give many times yeah so after the dancing I moved to New York during the dance I moved to New York and I was doing a little dancing here and there and the thing that started happening is that my body started to kind of give out because when you do classical stuff like ballet or jazz a modern it really works really strange your body and most answers are flexible and they have free Third Point and all these other things and I just wasn’t I was really good dancer and I was great at it but I just wasn’t very flexible it was doing a lot of weird stuff to my body it was at that time that I realized you know what like my main first love really really is acting all that stuff I was doing as a kid like it’s coming full circle now like I love dance and it was a passion but my biggest absolute passion is acting and it looks less and less painful compared to what I’m doing right now exactly and so I started going on auditions and trying different things and it was around that time that you two came around so I was excited I had never owned a camera 2005 2005 and I joined the site in December 18 2005 oh wow so I got in YouTube and I bought my first little camera and I was just recording dumb stuff and posting and you know back then it was like the Wild West not everything went and I just really loved it I mean lot of people weren’t like at work we’re seeing like what are you doing what’s the point like what’s and I’m like this is what I do they’re like you do this in your free time and I’m like yeah but I kept doing it years ago goes by and whatever not a whole lot happens what were you doing at the time on YouTube I was doing a lot of storytelling actually like I would slog like vlogging I would just I would just tell stories like Frances I that total story once about how I was in college and I you know met someone in an AOL chat room and met them in person and that was a disaster and I’d you know I would just tell a lot of stories and was this the Alpha Chi Channel yeah okay and a lot of people that were slowly the audience I was slowly picking up they were demanding like we love your stories keep telling stories and so I did that and you know then I would do like little funny spoofs of like you know music spoof and I take the song and just act silly to it or whatever and I was having a blast and my girlfriend at that time would come home and like I’d sure like look what I did and she’s like this is what you’re doing all day while I’m at work so the years go by and I’m working in a restaurant and that’s when in the fall of 2008 President Obama or back then I think senator Obama was running your New York in New York at the time I’m in New York and he was running for office and I had an honest even heard of him all right seen a little bit and then go walking into work one day and at that point I was tired I was tired of like bills and not making enough waiting tables I’ve been waiting tables almost a decade at this point and so I go into work and this girl was like oh here comes Obama and everyone kind of laughed and I laughed about I was a yeah I think I’ve seen that guy on TV now she wasn’t white right because she couldn’t have said that she was like she you know like isn’t that racist well no I don’t think so because I don’t I don’t think so I was told that in general people of another race shouldn’t tell somebody of another race that they look like someone of that race know that that’s risky I mean it can be I mean I guess oh we all look alike kind of a thing yeah I think for me personally I think I’ve had those moments where someone tells me like oh you look like this person and it’s like you know there have the opposite you know they’re different ethnicity and like they compare me to someone that I don’t look anything alike but then people have the same ethnicity compare many people that I don’t look anything alike so I don’t I don’t believe in I really really as a black person and I’m very like vocal about this I don’t believe in being hypersensitive about issues of color I don’t believe in being color struck you know I just I just don’t and I think we need to stop that and stop making other people walk on eggshells because they just don’t know how to approach us you know I’ve had so many friends like come up to me like hey I need to ask you something I’d never forget it friend asked me like I want to ask you something about black people but I don’t want to want to be a friend and they just simply asked me something about like I think it’s like how sometimes black guys were stocking caps on their heads and it was just an honest question a person was so timid and I like I was like it’s just a question like it’s not even an offensive question whereas I can understand how someone else probably would’ve been so offended but it’s like sometimes people just don’t know or they’re just really just genuinely curious you know it’s a question why do why do black guys wear stocking caps on their yeah well it’s the answer since I’m sure people like gaff when one okay girls when they curl their hair as they use curling lines or they put rollers why guys when they when they style their hair they put sometimes they put gel and they spiked it but I guys when we style out here we will put we put our hair will brush it in and we put a stocking hat which makes it lies flat as you can see here like I have like to use a little like like curly wave things like waves or whatever that’s what that’s how we style it-it’s just how we style yeah we put it on until our hair dries or until it sets then we take it off when we go out the house so for anyone has ever been wondering that’s why now there are the guys in the hood that will wear it just standing around just cuz they would just want to and that’s day that’s cool too but now it’s a fashion statement yeah sometimes if a statement so yeah but but going back to that instant you were instance you were not offended when said here comes Obama you were like who is Obama yeah I’m just like who’s Hilton who like well my first thought I got everyone laughs and I kind of kind of chuckle but then it hit and I had a the sobering moment of clarity was like at that time I didn’t do any impressions and I was like if I can come with an impression of this guy now and if he wins the presidency he’ll be the first black president which will automatically probably make him the most popular guy on the planet if I can come up with impression now and get out there first I can kind of like corn to that market and you’re saying this to them while giving food they’re like we just asked you what the fish special of the day was no but I was thinking this in my head and you know so I went home that night and looked them up and started looking a lot of different things and they’re like I do look like him I don’t think I don’t think I look like him but I can get the similarity you know we’re tall you know light-skinned he’s a lot slimmer than I am but I I can get this I get the similarity I don’t actually think we look like and out of the out of the five years that I’ve been impersonating him or doing impressions of him I never I still have never had someone stopping so you look know whatever tell you look like Obama unless it’s someone that knows my videos already right step for that one girl who write changed who you’re lying so yeah and so I went home that night and I didn’t do it impressions and I worked on an impression and made up made a video and I was really nervous didn’t do impressions and I was like what this is before the election still before well this is way before the election and I was like what am i doing doing and probably was just nervous to step out but she’s about there but it was like a defining moment and I did the video and I put it up and then the audience response was just really big I was like I had don’t get views like this like where I’ve never had used like this and then where you did you script something well I did script something and you know it’s funny I just moved about six months ago into a new apartment and I was digging through a lot of old box cuz I had a lot of things in storage that I finally took out of storage and I’m digging through boxes and I found the napkin this long napkin from the restaurant that I worked at and I wanted to scribble the whole script to my very first Obama the whole thing is scribbled out so I saved it and framed it but I when I saw that it was like I found some like great relic yeah yeah but it was really cool to see it and I’m like man I actually I I had forgotten that I had written that written it out so I wrote it down I had it hanging up and I remember like glanced at it and you know but the video well the impression in that video was way different than it is now you know but it was a starting point and people took to it so from there I just kept working on it and then so what was the big flash moment what is it what is the moment call when it flashes I don’t know a flash point the strobe moment the flash point I mean that video didn’t get 20 million views no the flash point would have been when I did my first musical parody cuz that’s the thing is like for some weird reason and like people don’t probably imagine it I was also even though I’ve been on YouTube all the time I was very timid about putting myself out there and I would always have ideas that I would sit on and sit on and sit on and I had always wanted to do meet more musical parodies like real musical parodies and I would never do them but I was think I would hear a song in my brain is just structured that way I’d hear songs and I’d immediately just changed all the lyrics in my head I’d never do it so I finally did a parody to a song by ti I’m called whatever you like but I did it as Obama and I put that up and that one just blew up and that was that was the moment that things that was a flashpoint cuz but at that time I just moved to California and I was living in Santa Barbara and I promised myself I’m not gonna go back to waiting tables I’m not gonna do it and that video blew up man I mean big you know it has 22 million views maybe yeah something like that and but it probably got a lot of those in the few know a lot of it was in the first few months and the thing was I did that and I was just I just had an interview the restaurant I was just about to go back and I was like disappointed in myself and then right when that video popped I started getting all these offers to do these things like come here host this makeup really and I was making more money that I ever ever had and like in a matter of a month and within that month I went from almost going back to waiting tables to now being self-employed so like singing for Aretha Franklin yeah yeah that happened yeah saying for she hired me to come and perform at her birthday party and the coolest part was they gave me her guest list with all these celebrities names and numbers and had to call them as Obama and invite them oh wow yes I didn’t like call al Sharpton and it was like the straightest it was okay so you got a list and I want to hear this al Sharpton story well they got a list and you’re like I’ve got it what you’re getting paid to call these people and then I can sell the numbers later and make even more money did you have to tell them that you were the president and do you just be like yeah they were calling they want me to call and stay in character and invite people to this party now the only unfortunate part is that these people that I was calling I’ll have secretaries and assistants so I would hit a lot of times hit them first and I didn’t get through to a lot of big people I would get the assistance that would be basically cracking up while they’re listening you do this no they would never this way they never questioned it they were just like laughing they’re like okay and I’m like you know look it we have a party here for a wreath of Franklin and they’re expecting you to be there so I need you to hand over the word let it let them know to be their own time and this is an order you know and it would just like crack up and like okay I’ll let him know you know so that was fun did you get it talk to you though uh honestly I don’t even remember that was like that was literally like five years ago so it was like four years ago it was a while ago but I get through to Sharpton I didn’t I didn’t but it was a long it was actually a pretty long list and there was a lot of names I knew and something I didn’t know but it was a lot of cool people on that list though before that I mean at what point obviously you’re more than a guy who does Obama really well I mean do you get tired of it since November Oh eight you know yes yes absolutely and that was that was also like the little dark point that I had cuz after I did the first verse that first musical parodius Obama they blew out and then people challenged me to go do you think you can do it again so that the next one I did Beyonce and it did exactly the same thing again it was cool but then what happened is I had this massive audience suddenly just like – Obama Obama Obama do the voice do the voice do the voice it was after was like was a guy that was on would you talking about Willis the guy used to say that he passed I know you’re talking about I can’t remember is yeah well that guy you know and Gary Coleman yeah and he had to document he was somehow he got fed up with everyone saying say that say the line what you talkin about Willis what you’re talking about and I felt like I was kind of having that moment where it’s like if one more person asked me to do the voice I’m a loser and I got upset with my audience cuz when I would try to post anything else a comedy sketch musical parody they would get mad they were like just just stick with Obama just saying that was beginning to really hate hearing that just took with Obama so I hit a point where I just stopped making videos for like six months like I just stopped cold turkey it was probably the worst decision but I just didn’t know back then when was this this was early this is like early 2009 I believe like right after everything blew up I shut it down because I was like it was great success but it was almost too much focus on one thing that just drove me nuts mm-hmm what brought you back after six months um just missing doing what I do missing creating videos for the people that and have supported me and missing having a space to express and just be funny or just be you know fun you know I missed it and I was just trying to like find my way back into that and so I imagine when you brought it back you were doing the other things but the Obama thing was still the most successful did you just come to grips with the fact that okay I can handle this now the the weight of the expectation of doing the voice do Obama and then what became your strategy to cope trying to find a balance between the two and it’s it’s hard because you almost kind of have to I hate using this expression but you gotta have to train your audience you have to like let them know hey this is what I’m going to do and I’m gonna do this for you guys I’m gonna do the Obama stuff but I’m also gonna do sketches and I’m gonna do parody and I’m gonna do musical parody and so what happens is you get like this pulling point where the people that are really that our fans will stick around and go well I love everything you do how do you have the people to go like I don’t like the sketches I’m not watching and you kind of will have a falling away of people that aren’t really true supporters but you kind of have to go to that face it gets your core audience that’s gonna stick around that appreciates whatever you do and you just keep going from there and then also to add to make sure I balance it out and not do too many you Obama videos back-to-back mmm do it on Bob my video to a sketch musical parroting Obama video sketch just like really bounce it out what was it a lingering struggle for you to still not have the other videos be received as well consistently as the Obama thing that you would take it personally you know I know we take things personally all the time when people don’t respond the way we want them to so I mean is that a part of the challenge for you or at least over the past few and maybe vine has kind of changed that for you hmm as that brought you out of something that was kind of a few years of struggle identity struggle um I mean yeah kinda it’s just I’m trying how to answer that written properly vine has kind of brought me at it because it has been a lingering problem where it’s like you know I I don’t know it’s just it’s it’s a mix of a lot of things having been on YouTube for so long you get sometimes you get creatively winded you know and then also dealing with the struggle of my own personal audience and the Obama thing and then the sketches like sometimes it is a struggle to get people to appreciate things outside of Obama but I have to also have to realize it’s Obama so nothing that I do is I mean anything that I do is gonna be still it’s still gonna be kind of hard to compare that because it’s it’s an impression that now is like known worldwide and a lot of people know it so it’s like it’s gonna be kind of hard to top that with normal quote/unquote normal stuff so I don’t really expect for my other videos to do as well as the Obama videos you know and I’m okay with that as long as they do well in general so what does that mean you know moving forward obviously he’s always gonna be a public figure he was a two-term president but you know two years from now he won’t be the president anymore right and as you think about you know you’re an entertainer now and I assume that’s what you want to keep being right now have you thought about the landscape years from now or it’s okay he’s a public figure but obviously that’s not um you can’t keep tapping into that in the same way that you can now why he’s an active president right and and that’s like the other piece of the puzzle is like to start segue into film and television which is which was ultimately the entire time my goal and just last year I was actually shot two films one here in the States and one in India and that for me just really brought me alive like just to be able to do something that was not only outside of Obama but I was like outside of mmm YouTube and the internet and the web to do these things makes me really excited so as I continue to do this and even though he has some years left in office the goal in the next phase of things now is to like continue doing videos but at the same time start branching out because I’m not gonna sit back and just go Obama heavy and do all on stuffing in the moment he leaves office I’m just sitting around because that that tends to be like the number one question from fans so but what are you going to do when he’s out of office as if I’ve never thought of it so it’s like I’m going to like I’m not like that part is always like already in process like you know auditioning and doing more traditional media things and also too right now particularly I’m in a phase now I’m kind of restructuring my brain to think more sketch minded because I love sketches but I don’t I haven’t written a lot of sketches in the past and recently I’ve been taking a lot of time to sit and write sketches and and and and and try to get my brain into that route so that as things start to taper off with Obama I’m still I still have a lot of other things that I have going on besides just that no well we saw the along the roadside trailer and you know it seems like there’s a lot of promise there yeah I mean it’s it’s doing really well in the film festival circuit it’s one better you’re the lead in that I am the lead yeah and it won Best Picture like four or five times really yeah awesome it’s won a lot of other accolades and what’s cool about that is like not only am I to lead in that but and this was an Oscar yeah I like saying yes some of the festivals yeah a lot of the film festivals and what’s cool about not only being the lead in that but also that one of my supporting actors is Michael Madsen who’s like a legend he’s an you know Reservoir Dogs like hugged him one time and scary dude yeah magical imagine working with him he’s an intent he’s a very intense guy but um you know it’s cool that like for me that was huge to be a lead in a film and then someone like Michael Madsen and some other stars wearing it as well so that was a big moment for me and then I flew to India to be in another movie with that one I’m not allowed to like legally talk about because then you know in DA’s and we don’t care we what we won’t prosecute you but you know when to in dearly this summer and shot that and I’m actually going back to India next week to when will we find out about that that’s a good question I don’t know but and it’s a big it’s a big franchise in India it’s like you know like remember the the comedy movie scary moving by the Wayans for like the first two were like a big deal yeah it’s like that kind of thing out in India so like I’m literally about to be like all over billboards and stuff in India and it’s it was a really cool experience I’m going back in a week because they have to reshoot scenes so it’s like hey we have to reshoot scenes so you have to come back to India oh my oh okay that’s a that’s a great free trip so if that works out it seems like it is beginning to work out is it the kind of thing that it’s like okay I’m gonna be an actor now you know YouTube fine is that just okay that’s kind of like this thing I did at some point or is it like no no I’m gonna keep pushing it on all fronts no I’m gonna keep pushing it on all fronts I probably won’t be if things go as I would like for them to in the you know film and television circuit I won’t be as heavy into YouTube and vine but I would never want to completely abandon it cuz it’s like there’s so many people there that love me and have supported me and I would never want to walk out on that but we see I mean what we see complaints eat on amongst your vine followers that you’re not giving him enough I know because it’s like I went from posting twice a day to posting every day to like I took there was a point recently where I’d like just stop for like a month like a whole month and the reason why is because after doing so much once again you sometimes hit points where you’re like you get creatively winded and I was I felt like I was forcing ideas and I’d rather stop and take a break and also just live my life cuz we all have lives to live I’d rather do that than to keep forcing ideas and and giving them crap I’d rather stop doing that and just wait until I’m fresh again and then come back which I’m beginning to do now which do you see is more strategic vine or YouTube moving forward for you honestly probably YouTube really I have this weird thing now I’m trying to get integrated back in because I miss I miss YouTube a lot you know and I’m not gonna stop buying I’m not gonna stop YouTube but I’ve been I’ve been way more quiet on YouTube than I ever have been on vine you know vinyl be okay I’m gonna keep posting bye and that’s easy to do but vine was kind of like a weird therapy for me because like I took some time off from YouTube and when I was doing buying it it kind of gave me a new method to come up with ideas that I can turn into not only vines but I could take those same ideas and turn them into sketches too okay so so you’re fans should expect more YouTube videos YouTube videos and movies yeah okay yeah yeah got it now the one thing we have talk about yet is your other strategy for success which is dating other YouTube yeah you have one of the first that I can remember first like laughing first public relationships you know public YouTube relationships going back to miss lisa lavie yeah we’re gonna go there we’re gonna talk about that okay I wish you could see his face right now when we met you okay so so she was amazing singer on YouTube first and then was like touring singer anyway and otherwise it was was a YouTube first for her I don’t I don’t know did you launch a career no I did not launch a career it was just YouTube but you guys dated for a long time I mean how many years are we talking like four years four years and you had it I think one of the things makes it interesting because you had a collaborative channel yes you had a collaborative channel so it was it you know I remember thinking okay yeah so this is because you know so many firsts mm-hmm yeah you know we get to see and experience so many first because of YouTube but I can’t think of another how did that just tell us about that way I know it’s I know it’s over now I know you don’t have the channel or the relationship now okay so what’s the what’s the 2014 version of that story what do you mean what retrospect yeah I mean is really not a whole lot to say on it I mean it’s just you know that was a very public relationship and you know like some relationships just ran its Coronets course and you know that’s pretty much it in a nutshell you know like well did would you having made that relationship public mm-hm would you say that is something that I will not do again or oh no that wasn’t really that wasn’t the problem honestly I don’t know I mean I now when it comes to like dating life I tend to be way more private just because of like you know that was from that breakup for me was the first time experiencing something that public or particularly a breakup that public what was there a breakup vlog there was no breakup vlog no you didn’t break up with her via then channel you shared no no no no no we didn’t have a brain oh no no that was they just started the video just the other videos just stopped we had actually stopped daily vlogging long before we broke up we’re not long before but our daily vlogs to get ahead stopped a while before because we both had just gotten kind of like exhausted with having to edit videos every day I was busy she was busy then we also had this collaborative channel which took a lot of time and we both kind of got winded with the vlog so we didn’t break up via vlog now yeah what would we say I probably would have gotten a lot of views I’m just saying yeah yeah but yeah I mean yeah that’s pretty much the story I don’t know if I answered your question so what’s your love life like now well yeah I mean there was andreaschoice youtuber you guys had a you guys were dating – right no we’re good that one from I was told that’s an internet rumor no we’ve never dated and she’s a good friend of mine but no really that’s funny that’s a rumor that’s what I was yeah that’s what I was alluding to I was like you have this strategy that’s totally messing with you I don’t believe you have some subversive dating strategy no no no that’s funny though that’s news to me what we don’t try to turn your biscuits into like a gossip so I’m sorry that but these are the things that people want to know so we have to ask them but the but the whole choice to you know create the shared relationship channel mmm it sounds like maybe that’s you’re gonna go a little bit more private well yeah it’s just I I think that and then people like us make up stuff like oh he’s dated so they’re not just friends ya know um yeah it’s it’s to be private I’m already a very private person as it is and people look at that nigga well how are you private you vlog you’re youtuber your whole life is public and it’s like yeah I said but you also see what I show you you don’t see what I don’t want you to see you know I I control that the moment I hit crop or a delete or you know I cut something out of an edit or I’m sorry out of a blog yeah so with dating it’s like I think it’s fun it’s not naturally when you’re in a relationship you want to share your life with the person you know you might Instagram with them or put them you know you see them in a video but I don’t know how public I would be in the future about relationship I think finding someone who who maybe doesn’t even necessarily enjoy being on video would be cool cuz it’s like okay we can have our own private life our own private space without having every YouTube comment or Viner you know look into our lives and make assumptions or you know whatever else so I think a little privacy might be in order well listen i think that uh i don’t think you held back is there anything else you wanted I don’t think you guys held back I think I think we should that’s how we should in there biscuits now is there anything else you want to tell I think the implication here is that you should start a collaborative relationship based vine channel so it’s like maybe six seconds at a time me and you are gonna change the world that’s the shortest relationship ever you could call it a new vine you call it six second man and no that would not be good no I call it six seconds in heaven alright I’m had to do that with my wife so far I’ve kept her completely off the internet we’re gonna start a behind Wow damn and in a specific type all right it’s time to sign the table of dimmed lighting Wow you go a black pen that’s racist [Music] and there it is our ear biscuit with Iman Crosson you should tweet at him let him know what you thought that’s twitter.com slash alphaCAT also follow me on vine if you’re into that his username there is also alpha cat 2.4 million followers over there it’s amazing how you know he just capitalized he saw the pattern of how it was kind of the next YouTube got involved with the right group of people who were asserting themselves and just blew up I mean I certainly respect him for capitalizing on that well and he’s making money six seconds at a time not bad there’s a pressure you know we talked about this pressure of in doing what we do of always signing up for the next new thing oh this new thing called Twitter just happened I better get that username we better grab rhett and Link and I’ll grab link Lamont you can grab Rhett MC on that and this new thing called vine we can do that tool that was that was 2008 I know that we did that but yeah but that’s the last time I really felt the pressure of it and actually went into it you know I fell into the hole I got to chase this thing and because it might be the next big thing by the time vine has happened I might forget it should we do it is it too late well it’s certainly not too late should we do it well I will say that I’m gonna go directly after this I’m gonna delete my videos from vine because I do have a vine account with I think like 10,000 followers or something I don’t know anything okay because I started it a while back and then I said you know I’m joining vine just FYI tweeted it out and people came over there I had three videos that were not vine videos they were just six second videos because I kind of knew that people were doing these like jump cut things but I didn’t I didn’t never appreciate the humor and I did not see I wasn’t thinking about investing in it right and like actually making a thing of it so I looked at the three videos ahead up there recently and I just in preparation for this conversation with him you’re gonna delete him but what are they uh they are the very first one I ever did was me coming into the office and it like I like piece together like me in the car then me opening the door and then like saying hello to different people in the office but it was like no comedy no it was just kind of mistimed and it wasn’t supposed to be funny and then I did one where I woke up and said something and then I did one where like I’m vlog like a six second I just woke up yeah something right after gorgon went viral the shift is shifted commercial and he we went over there to his office he was getting all the calls I just filmed him answering a call and he just said what type of car is it which is kind of funny but you know it just didn’t I didn’t understand the mechanics of it so it just says no pun intended yeah don’t delete the gorgon one no I’m going to support point in time it but I don’t want to send people over there too and first of all I think if we’re gonna do this we got to do it as a rhett and Link fine you know we don’t need to do this thing where I’ve got one and you got one and I started a couple months later you start it and then neither one of us really puts anything up there I’m not saying we’re gonna do it but if we’re going to do it it’s gonna be on a Rhett link if you want to follow us just do it on Twitter read MC link Lamont and the rhettandlink man six seconds we could have made we could have made like 30 vines just in the time that we’ve been talking since well it’s not that easy I think you’ve just proven there’s not that easy you the three things that you did you now deleting yeah what but now I feel like I talked to an expert I talked to an expert I’m inspired I know I’m not gonna do it though you know let’s just get realistic here let me be clear I want I’m not going to start a vine because it wouldn’t be prudent I was a mixing of let’s approve it thing is it all right guys next week no other year its Bush that’s a bush thing yeah first senior next week next air biscuit thanks for listening period [Music] [Music]