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interview each other this is an experimental fresh out out of the out of the box thinking type of ear biscuit here hopefully I that this is gonna be a wild ride of in-depth conversation between the two of us right okay so involving some Twitter questions as well yeah I think the thing that we have discovered about ear biscuits is that it’s been fascinating getting to know all the people that we’ve talked to and we just have a feeling that because there is or are two of us there is two of us there is two of us we are going to take advantage of the fact that there is two of us and we’re going to talk to each other because I’m kind of operating on the premise that we know each other incredibly well and we have discussed a lot together we’ve also incidentally discussed a lot on the Internet people know a lot about our lives but you but I still believe there is quite a bit that I don’t know about you and that you don’t know about me and other things that need to be rehashed and I don’t mean like let’s go back and you know open up old wounds or maybe I don’t know maybe that will happen dig up the buried hatchet no I don’t think that will happen but maybe you’re saying that is there a challenge here that we’ll see if we can learn something new about each other while the audience members out there that’s where I think learn about us and the intimacy is a virus that’s the way they’re working the magic is gonna happen I’m not kidding because yeah we thought about okay well we were we wanted to do a semi-regular episode of your biscuits where we talk to each other so I will say at the beginning depending on how this goes how we feel about it how you feel about it we’re going to do it again if everyone agrees that this is something worth doing so you can let us know yeah let us know on Twitter hashtag your biscuits but we’re not changing the course of your biscuits I know don’t know do want to clarify have a lot of amazing guests lined up and that’s gonna keep happening on that will be the vast majority of what your business is all about right so every now and again we just want to if if this is something fun is something that works for everybody maybe we’ll bring it back so once a month or ever so often I don’t know we’re not committing but and the last thing I’ll say before we dive in is starting to interview each other is you just yawned I’m just gonna pull a glozell on your on your honor I’m already bored with you what is that what that don’t do that it hasn’t been that long of a day I love my job I love what I do and one of the I mean it’s a privilege to be able to just dream up things and do it and have you listen to us and enjoy hanging out with us I mean I’m sincerely thankful for that one of my favorite parts of the job that I think is highlighted here in this exercise here is we get to try new things it’s you know the analogy of just throwing stuff at the wall and seeing what sticks and I think this is just another example of that it’s energizing from a creative standpoint to try new things and just to see what happens I mean that that’s the key to success and maintaining relevance in in the world of entertainment anyway I mean for us to be as successful as they have been and I feel like it’s trying to keep your head above water and maintain relevance and you just have to try new things and see what so what works so that’s exciting to me it’s energizing doing the same thing I’m not doing it old I’m not doing this to be successful like I’m doing this because I care about you and what did it sound like I was saying doing it to be successful no I mean no I mean people might think that what I’m what I’m trying to say it’s a creative endeavor to try trying to innovate what were trying to innovate and I’m just saying that I originally we were like well let’s do let’s do in your biscuit where we just talk to each other.if first I was like let’s just shoot the breeze you know let’s just do when we talk and see what the conversation goes but then it hit us it’s like no the tone of this show is inquisitive right it isn’t just two guys building on ridiculous ideas like we do every day on good mythical morning it’s inquisitive it’s like there’s things that impersonal it’s personal and it’s an inquisitive and that’s what we’re going to do so what we have done is we wanted to when we do a show like this a special edition of a rhettandlink only air biscuit we want to make it themed so we decided that let’s just talk about childhood okay now we’ve done this thing where we talk about people’s childhood in their career and all this stuff maybe we’ll get to all those things with us but we wanted to start with childhood so we’ve come up with some questions for one another but we also prompted our Twitter followers link did this and I did this earlier we said hey do you have any questions for the other that you want us to ask one another and so we have a collection of questions that we’ve come up with and a question a collection of questions that you have come up with and we’re just gonna go back and forth and see where this goes yeah that’s us we’ve never interviewed each other I’ve asked you questions yeah I’ve asked in life I’ve been like where you won’t go for lunch yeah kind of questions that you did that today and we went to that place I got huevos rancheros as we were very good we went to that place I still taste it okay um is that your first question no because lunch is over it’s can you still taste what you ate for lunch see I can I cannot I think this is a good place to start we’re gonna I mean this is not my question this is from Bob Saget has swag on Twitter oh I thought those Bob sage it has swag tell the story of how you became Blood Brothers not really a question but we’ll go with it anyway would you please tell us the story what if I had it that it would be polite okay so the story of us becoming Blood Brothers I think we may have meant in places but I don’t know that we’ve ever fully unpacked the true story of the blood oath pact which it really happened that we really made in high school so it has been cataloged or represented in our documentary that we made years ago called looking for miss Locklear where we kind of tell the story about the blood oath that we made and in the movie we reenact that and we always we say we went back to the same place no we talked about how we went to the rock rock right right I don’t know where we talked about it we talked about things all over the place but this is gonna be the definitive place to tell this story now right I really think it starts with the cow pasture don’t you I mean that’s the location of the blood oath so I think that’s the starting point yeah so we grew up Buies Creek North Carolina near a Country Club not in the country club we weren’t those kinds of people so don’t judge us we were outside of the Country Club very near to a place called Keith Hills so this is a golf course yeah an 18-hole at the time golf course and what hole was it that was on the like the far edge of the golf course hole 3 it was holding it was hole number 6 oh it was hole number 6 which is now it’s they changed the back nine in the front nine so it’s whatever that would be it’s the six hole the back nine so I guess that would be hole number 16 I’ve never played golf I’m glad I’m honored that you’re asking me hole number 15 so you’re like asking me math plus golf and my mind is mom it was hole number six and I’m just telling you this because it’s the old number six and if you have to be if you happen to live in the area if you go down there and it’s a par four that goes up a hill and then to the right there’s a creek and across the creek there is a cow pasture that was constantly filled with cattle and this was more attractive to us not that we were attracted to cows I mean we did grow up in Buies Creek but that’s not what I mean we were more attracted to the cow pasture than we were to the golf course especially link yeah that’s true so what we would do is we would after school I mean we had to been like sixteen years old because you would we would drive our cars I know we would ride our bikes we might have been 14 or 15 when we started doing this but we would go out to the no it was a middle we started in middle school because Ben Greenwood was the one who came up with the idea and we were really active with Ben and all throughout elementary school and especially middle school so our favorite hobby was to go across the golf course across the stream into the cow pasture and chased the cows it just a you just called Buies Creek a stream just so you know that was Buies Creek that was the creek Oh Louise really you called it the stream I didn’t I did no I never knew that I’m pertinent alright now I’ve already learned something I didn’t know that was Buies Creek that was Buies Creek Wow it ran behind my house and then it kept going all the way through Keith hills and them so nothing is more exhilarating in the town of Buies Creek than having a herd of cattle flee your presence and it’s just exhilarating to do that until the farmer shows up and chases you off but there was a pond there that the cows would get in and around the pond there were some rocks one of which was a very big rock wood then I’m talking it was probably a five foot tall boulder it was big it was it was obviously a rock that had been dug up out of the ground you know those farm ponds that are completely rectangular and they have two hills of dirt on each side of them because they just dug it out with a big tractor so this big rock comes out and a little rock beside it and for some reason we and this is what we talked about in an intro to the film was we devised this plan where we would just have these long drawn-out conversations after we were when we were resting from chasing the cows we would sit down on the rock and we came up with this system that whoever was sitting on the big rock would have the floor to talk and then the other person would sit on the small rock and listen and can only ask questions to keep the conversation going we need that here on ear biscuits it was very much bigger chair and a littler chair it was very much like in your biscuit wasn’t it well it was inhale like this and then after a while we would you would have your time and then you would trade spaces and the person would sit on the big rock and they would have the floor to dictate the conversation and I want to be clear here that our conversations I don’t remember a whole lot of details but that is what we’re gonna kind of talk about is what we ended up talking about our conversations were probably if we were to go back and listen to them now we would be we would laugh at what we thought how we thought the things that we said to each other but we weren’t just talking about what it was like to be in middle school we were talking about the future we was always talked about the future we were certainly talking about girls at times we would talk about what she would imagine that kids would talk about look at that big cow what but we would talk about that yeah what if what if that cow could fly would you ride it you know what if what if I don’t know just stupid very amateur middle school you know philosophical questions but the thing that strikes me is they were very future-oriented as well yeah we would talk about dreams what it was that we wanted to do and I and I want to be clear here that you know we grew up in Buies Creek which was an amazing place to grow up but it was not the kind of place that you just naturally he didn’t think about careers in entertainment or comedy you didn’t know anybody who did that kind of thing so there wasn’t any real sense that that was going to happen but we decided one day that we started talking more about we wanted to do something just this big something that we didn’t know what it was but we wanted to do it together right when we grew up we wanted to yeah and first of all I’m sure this whole future orientation is something that knowing you and knowing myself better now I can pretty much bet that this that whole future Bend is something that came from your mind cuz you just were always that’s how you think whereas the whole system of who was talking when and how we how we talked you came up with it you could the rules of analyzing questions I’m sure that was probably my idea I can’t remember but just the way that our brains work differently I could see how that would come together but yeah we would suck we would talk about what what are we gonna do what are we gonna do we’re gonna and it wasn’t we didn’t talk about entertainment at first I think we did we certainly knew we liked to entertain and show often and to any audience that we could find but the I but we can’t but we had the idea to do the blood oath without saying okay we’re definitely gonna be filmmakers it was let’s make a blood oath that we’re gonna we’re gonna be teammates in creating something we’re gonna be like business partners in whatever we do that like yeah we’re friends now but we we have a sense that we’re gonna we’re gonna like make something big I don’t know what it is but we should probably write it down right well if you’re gonna write it down we should probably cut ourselves and sign it in blood I mean and that’s what we did we took two sheets of paper out there we wrote down we wrote something that was I mean unfortunately I’ll go ahead and tell you we don’t have these sheets of paper anymore as sad as that is in fact link is the one that wouldst I lose everything or I used to lose everything you’d lose things more than now than I do now but back in those days you collected everything right oh you but you don’t have the paper but I can attest you that it did exist at one point and we wrote something that was like we’re gonna do something awesome and we’re gonna do that something awesome together now let’s cut ourselves and do you remember how we cut ourselves I think it was like a shard of glass that was like laying and it was like it was like a sharp piece of glass in the dirt yeah yeah it was this is not advised by the way and we cut our palms yeah you should cut your if you’re gonna do a blood oath you should cut like prick the end of your finger why well I cut your freaking well obviously I’ve established that we were misguided but and I kept that thing in my wallet for for like two and a half years yeah and then I lost the whole wallet oh oh that’s what happened with you I lost the whole wallet yeah yeah I just went home and price it it down and then you know my mom threw it away but it meant a lot it meant that the idea I was definitely committed to the idea yeah so that was the question from Bob Saget has swag that that’s the story so I guess from that point on it wasn’t necessarily something that we talked a lot about but there was always this guiding principle that was well it’s in blood you know you know we don’t have to talk about all the time you know there’s kind of yeah we’ve got it we’ve got to stay committed to this amorphous idea mm-hmm that we’re going to do something together something big the word big was definitely in it now are you gonna ask me a question now yeah yeah I go first I’m going to yeah I’m gonna move there’s another question that I think is good for the both of us to discuss kind of like that but I want to move this into a more one-on-one noka place it’s a little weird yeah this is gonna be strange I like it though now when we first met we met in first grade I moved from North Carolina I mean I moved from California to North Carolina and I met you at the time you were at Buies Creek Elementary School do you think I forgot I’m just for the benefit of everyone listening and we met on that first day and you know there’s a movie about that but you were living with your mom and your stepdads Immy and the time right which was in Buies Creek now Jimmy Capps before that where did you live I’m now I don’t know this before you moved in with Jimmy where’d you live my mom and dad split up when I was 2 years old and where were they I don’t remember I was 2 they weren’t I do remember well I know I don’t remember my dad was a farmer at the time like a tobacco farmer and Boone Trail which is like I mean you know you’ll eat between Lillington and Sanford it was like nothing out there except fields and you know some of those were my dads and then a trail to whom yeah so and there’s um so that’s where I was born and so but I mean my first memories are my mom got remarried to Jimmy and they were front they were like friends from like high school and yes so they had known each other for years and then they both went through a divorce and then I think rebounded they both had they were in the rebound marriage together they’re not together now when I was 13 they got divorced but my first memories are in that house that where you met me with Jimmy and my house and Buies Creek and me his daughter so but where but your mom okay so you were in Boone trail and I remember I guess I remember the house that I was like born in where my mom and dad lived I’m pretty sure and then where did your mom live my dad still lives after the divorce from your dad I’ll explain why I’m asking this is um I think that she moved into a trailer in my in her parents like a next-door her parents yeah in Andrew in Andrew I asked I asked this because I’ve never thought about this yeah it’s this is pretty it’s kind of crazy to think about – I know why I was in Buies Creek did you know what I’m saying like I came to Buies Creek because my dad got a job at Campbell law school teaching law still teaches law at Campbell law school until this day and that’s why we moved from Thousand Oaks California to boy Street North Carolina and I never really thought about the fact that like you were in Buies Creek because your mom married a guy who lived in Buies Creek yeah Jimmy had a house and that was and I just want to point out that that was that was the seminal moment you know if your mom had it been like you know let’s just stay here in Boone trailer I’m gonna stay in Andrew or she had not had a romantic connection with her former high school classmate Jimmy Capps you would have never been at Buies Creek school because I always wonder I was like what III didn’t know why your mom was in Buies Creek you know cuz it was a a why Jimmy was there because all of my family is in completely yes yeah yeah no family I mean within 15 minutes and we can thank Jimmy Capps for this there would have been no blood oath if there hadn’t been a Jimmy Capps we should call him right now I don’t have his number okay I mean I remember the number that when I lived there it’s probably the same number okay well I’ll just put it out there and then anyone can call it I want it do you remember the number my first phone number where we were friends this is a really good question because can you remember a phone no no but do you know but I think this is something that younger people today will not will not and we knew everyone’s phone number like I remember Leslie people’s phone number my girlfriend first girls now there was a speed dial but yeah you had to basically know everybody’s phone number because he had to punch it in you couldn’t pull it up on some smart device okay I’m gonna give you the number with it we can bleep out okay nine one zero mm-hmm eight nine three no that’s close though pretty close I mean that’s amazing I have not dialed that I have not dialed that number since wait what year for like 25 years and I almost got it right yeah yeah but I did get it right but if you remember my phone number which is still my that’s easy I’m not giving it’s still your parents phone number I don’t want to have to beep anything out it’s too much work you know that you know it though yeah I’ll definitely know it you want to call it right now yeah I call all the time talk to your mom okay we just we just we have connection that’s good me and Mama died I would I would call Diane but it’s weird it’s we your parents are still together it’s it’s weird having your first memories and growing up in a house where I know this guy’s not my dad he’s just a stepdad who like I didn’t have that much of a connection with him it was like it there was this feeling of well you’re not my real dad you’re just my step dad your mom mom’s husband so we’re not gonna be that tight you know he still spanked you though but he’d hit me and he should have and he needed to the times did he did he probably should’ve done it more than that but we weren’t that close and it was this thing of okay I have a sister but she’s not really my sister and I don’t like her and I don’t like her even more because I can’t I have permission to like her even less because she’s not a real sister and I don’t have to really love Jimmy I can just either like him or not or tolerate him now that’s kind of what I grew up in and that was that’s all I knew but it was I mean I was certainly envious when I go to your house as a youngster and oh look at this happy family there’s two brothers who real brothers and both the parents actually lives there and they they drink milk for dinner we did isn’t that nice it’s like a lot of milk is why I’m six foot seven and I remember thinking well I’m going over to a house where there’s like an intact family like there was a sense of you shoot you thought it you thought about that yeah and I was like I guess if your parents are still together you drink milk for dinner well and you know they’re not hated milk it never crossed my mind I never thought like it I know I never was like I wonder this is kids don’t think about this I think kids nowadays think about this because they’re more like in tune with what everyone’s feeling because of the internet but my I definitely did think about it I never thought they I wonder how link feels about this does the fact that you know I have a dad and mom who live together how does this affect him and I also did not ask the probably the more important question which was how does the fact that he lives with a stepdad affect him I mean we didn’t even you don’t even think about that really nine years old you don’t have you don’t have these type of deep conversations matter of fact you don’t have them until you have an ear biscuit without a guest well but you know the sad thing and you know this probably by the time when this your biscuit comes out my parents will not be in that house that is sad because I have a lot of memories of you know being jealous of your family now no I wouldn’t say i-i’ve it on my parents I don’t think that I was jealous but um em Kimmy wasn’t a bad guy I remember he built that fort oh yeah for me and really for us like you were pretty much the only friend that came to my house and we would walk out I went to a lot of people’s houses not to make you feel nothing to make you feel bad I went to your house more than anybody’s but I was addicted to spending the night at people’s houses I would they would I would meet a new kid at school he would be there a week and I would invite myself to spend the night with him I don’t understand why I was just like hey dude cusp in the night of your house can I look in your refrigerator and see what your family’s like I think it’s a I mean it’s a personality thing but also think it may be a sense of security I was absolutely terrified to stay at anybody else’s house I mean that one time that we had that sleepover at Adam Nicholson’s house and he and he showed us Texas Chainsaw Massacre yeah and then afterward we walk around in the dark in the woods and pitch black and we’re like in fifth grade yeah like I was terrified man and then I opened his refrigerator and it wow there’s a lot of food all over the place in here it was scary I was my refrigerator but it was was very neat and very orderly and that made me secure as secure as I could be but I guess I was still I didn’t have the security of comfort of to be able to leave home but we had that for it was basically just you remember it was just two trees I remember it with two two by fours connecting between the two trees like eight feet in the air it was probably five feet in the air but we just felt like it was really tall what was the kind of four that you get you get up there and then you sit there and you’re like well what do we do now and then you get down right because it’s Jimmy made that it was awesome for be up there for a few seconds okay I should ask you a question should at this point um did you or do you resent your dad no oh finish the question you finish the question do you resent your dad for all the basketball drills he made you do I I really want to know how you feel about that today I know we’ve talked about if I did your dad was basically the the impetus in both of us going to engineering instead of going to film school which by the time we were graduated from high school that was the application of the blood oath was let’s go to film school it at unc-asheville he was like no you need to do something sensible Rhett and I’m like why okay I’ll do that too but he wanted you to be a basketball player in college and he made you do all these drills like how they were there was a span there when I couldn’t you’re like oh don’t come over to hang out until I’ve done my drills so I’d have to wait two hours mm-hmm how much you were being groomed to be a basketball star well for nothing you hold that against your dad for nothing that’s my question whether that was a statement for month for nothing question mark you’re not a basketball player I was one heck of a basketball player at one point and I could still beat you well first first before you give you atleast categoric terrorised the amount of work that you put into it and and how your dad was involved yeah okay so you know I was tall that’s well-known fact I still AM I was athletic that’s disputed at this point but I was very athletic played all kinds of sports and was successful at them and loved them and was very competitive still AM competitive but I wanted to succeed I mean I had an older brother three years older than me two years older in age and three years in school and we were very competitive we played a lot of basketball we were very athletic family my dad was very much into sports and so we were too so as soon as I was self-motivated it up to a certain extent I was very self-motivated eighth grade you know I wanted to be the basketball star when we got the high school all I could think about was getting onto the JV team by the end of my freshman year I’ve been put on the varsity team to play in the the state playoffs and I was in and I just thought I mean it had definitely been engrained in me that listen like you can be a basketball star you can pay for your college this way and you got to understand that you know from a very young age not only was i interested in basketball but I was the ball boy one of the ball boys for Campbell basketball I remember how much I was in the Campbell basketball yeah went to every single game was the ball boy allowing my brother and Brooks Lee and Michael Juby and I wanted that really bad it was like really important so when high school rolls around and then it’s just okay now you’ve got to get good so that you can get recruited and play college basketball my dad my dad was not he was he wasn’t overbearing it was I mean he has that kind of personality and people see that he you go to a basketball game with my dad’s there he’s gonna yell at the ref he’s gonna yell at the coach he’s gonna yell at me if I’m on the court net I don’t know what if something about my personality I never it never hit me until later in life that like that should have been embarrassing hmm like to have your dad yell at you to do something differently from the stands in high school in front of everyone like most people would be embarrassed by that but I was just like your pants off I was looking at him and then the coach would that coach gage would have to tell me he was like don’t listen to your dad listen to me you know what I’m saying and I was just like oh okay you know so there was you didn’t care I didn’t care I was embarrassed by it and then he would be like you need to you know you need to do these drills you need to do the 300 shot drill so I would do things where I would shoot 300 shots a day how long does it take to shoot 300 shots I don’t know I gave all I had ball handling drills and first of all you understand I was actually I wasn’t very naturally talented and did a lot of work but I didn’t do nearly as much work as as a guy who actually ends up being a great player does but then he got like the strength shoes yeah so rat had a in his front yard he was basically at the end of a dead-end street not really a cul-de-sac but though you had your dad put a basketball goal out there and then so you would play on the street because it was the end of the street but then I remember coming over there one day and under the basketball goal there were three increasingly larger sized boxes boxes made out of plywood oh yeah and endeth and the solid painted burgundy and the tallest one was four and a half feet tall no it was big enough to four for a white man like me to jump up onto and I was like what’s this and then he’s not well I it’s my strength shoe boxes and then you had these shoes it shoes shoes that looked like the Starship Enterprise turned upside down yeah it was a shoe but then it had a platform built off of the photo of the balls of the feet but just the toe so that your heel was suspended in air and you were forced to only use the balls of your feet to run around yeah sounds like a torture device right it wasn’t it was supposed like it was supposed to increase your vertical I couldn’t jump but I was telling it really matter it’s supposed to increase your vertical leap and your quickness and all these things you know my dad also had the big ball you remember that yeah big basketball is a ball that was a few inches bigger than normal basketball if he could shoot with the big ball then you could shoot with the regular ball you know the interesting thing sidebar my dad is still in of these devices my dad is a prolific golfer he plays once a week and he’s probably he’s gonna retire soon he’s gonna play all the time anywhere strengths shoes he has if you know you’re watching TV and you see a device a golfing device being sold my dad has that like every single thing that you can buy every contraption every driver he has all of it and every time I talk to him he’s like I got the so on so so and there’s just a thing that’ll make you break your wrist and write plays and so I see that going back and I’m the same way you know he’s completely jamming the gimmick he’s into the gimmicks he’s into the things can be in compulsive about that and so am i but your question was do I resent that I don’t because there were long hours I mean you would have to wear the strength shoes and jump up on the Box jump down jump up on the bigger box jump down jump up on the third big box jump down I mean this is like it whenever I came to visit you is like man it’s like going to a like a torture camp like Guantanamo III honestly can say I don’t resent it I here’s what here’s what happened I worked pretty hard a lot harder than most kids work at their sport probably and I was good at it you know I had a lot of success I the opportunity to play college basketball I turned it down so we could go to NC State with the engineers that’s kind of a different story but the the idea of being taught that no you have to work hard you have to practice you have to devote X amount of hours to this if you’re going to be better than everyone else at you’re gonna be the best yeah because this isn’t just some hobby right this is like do you want to be the best at this and I just think that’s how it’s how my dad thinks and that’s how he taught me to think and so I think that with the long story is that we ended up getting and we started this band the wax paper dogs and we thought that we were gonna be rock stars and that immediately took me off of the basketball track and I was like I don’t want to do this who preceded the basketball aspirations yeah I was like you know I’m not gonna be in the NBA I wasn’t that good you know I might go to like lower level Division one college and basically just be a basketball player but I’m not gonna be able to play music and what is link gonna do because we wanted to go to the same school and the blood oath yeah the blood oath the blood of my dad accepted that and he and I know that he it led him down a little because he wanted one of his kids to be a college athlete I know that for a fact and I had and my brother was very good at basketball too and he could have played at a smaller school too but he ended up going to Carolina he wanted to you know go to a good school and get a get a real degree and so I ended up doing the kind of the same thing and so I know that that was a disappointment but he never let me know it he never said it he never said anything when I decided Dale I’m going NC State so no I don’t resent it he wasn’t overbearing it was just he’s and he’s an intense individual but I think I needed that yeah I remember kind of watching from the silent well literally watching from the sidelines I was certainly was no basketball player but not only that but watching from the sidelines of this whole drama of are you gonna be a basketball player and we didn’t talk about this blotto thing when we’re like juniors and seniors in high school it wasn’t like man you can’t be a basketball player because we signed a blood oath like a couple of years ago we did talk about it a little bit because remember we went to that whole phase we talked about UNC Asheville because I was being recruited by you and so yeah but I I remember thinking that I I just could it’s not like I can make an argument to convince you that you shouldn’t be a basketball player you know but I remember being nervous about it it was like well you know we had this kind of vision for what we were gonna do and it was being threatened but it was just something that I couldn’t I couldn’t press but I also feel like when we made the decision to be engineers we also kind of concurrently made the decision I think passively that this blood oath thing was probably just this light we’re gonna be friends forever yeah because I think that it the practical really overpowered the dream and we didn’t have a lot of opportunity it was like well we’re not going to film school that seemed like the only shot that we had at this I’m not gonna move to Los Angeles you know I’m not gonna we didn’t even talk about that it wasn’t nice Angeles didn’t exist we didn’t know a person a a person who had ever moved to Los Angeles I had moved from there as a child but no you didn’t know anybody who moved there to do anything not one person we never discussed it yeah yeah it was totally off the radar so I think we you know yeah and as engineers it was the type of thing that yeah it was okay yeah now we’re just gonna do this but we’re still friends yeah yeah and I’d listen I I don’t want to I also want to isolate this conversation to childhood in high school and I don’t well we can talk about the the career stuff sure let’s move it back a little bit so you have another question for you and that question is why did you care about school because let me premise that with I cared about school because I was scared of my dad as we’ve established love my dad respecting my dad I was fearful of my dad because he did not put up with you know he didn’t put up with bad performance including grades and so it’s just like I was always a straight-a student set for conduct I had problems in conduct but I got straight A’s in the subjects and if I made a B it was a it was a really big deal you can’t make it be in the McLaughlin household that’s a failure right so I carry that all the way through high school all the way through college and never made let’s see always made a beat that was the worst ever did but you did exactly the same thing actually probably were slightly definitely a better college student than I was in a slightly better high school student why what why did you care I was just naturally smarter than you no no I don’t know I think I just felt like and it wasn’t this or if you’re gonna do something you got to do it to the best of your ability it wasn’t an external value that I was taught but I think it and I don’t know that it but on the other team I don’t know that it was kind of a people-pleasing thing but it was like well K if I mean I mean I’m a student I’m supposed to do the best that I can it was just but if you had a brought home a see just an approach there wasn’t your mom what your mom would have been disappointed but that would be the end of it no my mom was not a disciplinarian and in and he’s in anyway really I mean I was her only child you know and the only child she would ever have I think that she had that sense so yeah you know I was the baby it was there was not a lot of discipline going on or so she was not driving me to do it but it was something that I just always had that and I don’t think it’s a good thing by the way that I just felt like whoa okay I’m just supposed to I just I have to be good at this and I so I don’t I don’t even think I know I think now there’s what were you scared of though because I wasn’t scared of anything well I would maybe just feeling like a failure it’s like if you don’t do your best you just feel like well I just kind of like why if I’m gonna do this I have to have to really try I wasn’t trying to please anybody I don’t know what do you think well I got yeah but theory no I don’t I just it and I and it hit me recently cuz then cuz I know exactly why I never slacked off right there was my parents both both my mom and my dad they just instilled this fear my mom used to say all the time like even as we were going off to get ready to go to college she was like now you’ve gotten by with straight A’s in high school just because you’re smart but when you go to college everybody’s smart and you’re really going to work so I remember that first semester me and you room together and we just studied our freshman year we just study held it all the time you know 4.0 freshman year and at a certain point you realize that you didn’t care that much and it didn’t matter so sophomore year I never had that realization like you’d be out you and Greg our roommate you be out playing video games and I would be studying for like four more hours because just a blind sense of obligation to well if you started you have to finish it and you have to do as good as you can if you don’t do the best that you can do you’re robbing yourself of something I mean maybe my Nana kind of taught me that if you’re gonna mow grass don’t just don’t just make sure all the grass is cut make sure it’s cut the best it can be cut because I cut all her her neighbors yards and that she said don’t half-ass anything the only time I heard my Nana cuss as a kid was when she told me that don’t half-ass the grass don’t have asked the grass is the only time ever to cuss as a kid now she’s just you know she’s found me no no she doesn’t care I neither do I but I don’t know that it she instilled instill that I think it I think it was I don’t know I don’t know it was just I just if I can’t do it I have to do it I’m gonna be a failure if I don’t mmm no I didn’t hit me into like by college by college it was a I got to make the best grades because that that links directly to getting a good job and I’ve always been anxious about money I don’t think money was related to grades at a young age though hmm I should I should give you another question you should wasn’t it weird watching horror movies with your mom I know that as a kid she would like put on Hellraiser and watch it with you but if you were and you’ve kind of talked about it isn’t this funny and like you come from this like really conservative family and but in this particular area it and that was kind of the joke that your mom literally when you were in middle school watched hell raise it with you she would go and rent a video videos all the time and then you you watch horror movies with her yeah and after that Texas Chainsaw Massacre I’ve III wouldn’t watch a horror movie for until I graduated from college I think the deal with my mom is that she took the the most motion picture associations guidelines very very very literally it said parental guidance you know so she guided you in front of the television with her yeah yeah as long as she was there he’s like razors not PG do notice are it’s restricted it says parents strongly cautioned it says you know children not permitted without their parents but that means you are permitted with your parents age were you when you saw Hellraiser with your mom middle school man and what was that experience like because of some because for me that would have been the worst thing ever I loved it then I love it now my mom my mom is this you know my mom she’s the sweetest lady she is the she is first of all she’s the sweetest lady but she’s she’s still very conservative and but she has this part of her which is dark side no no she likes that kind of thing and she she called me she tell her she texted me a couple months ago whenever this movie was in the theater and she was like I just watched insidious two in a theater all by myself so you know she she’s this this meat not me not only meaning she didn’t have a date like you’re your dad didn’t go well my mom goes to movies bar so there was no one else in the Thea was the only one and then and she said something like it was so scary but so and I’m totally relate to that she instilled that when we invited all of our friends over here for my birthday to watch the conjuring well well that’s the point you want you how to get together for your birthday and that was the idea it was to get a bunch of grown men together and the scare the crap out of them and watched them act like little children and that’s what they did it was embarrassing I was embarrassed for half of those guys now I was scared out of my mind but I loved it I don’t know it’s just that we like thrills like that in my family and my mom has just always been like that was it weird no it was awesome did it affect me negatively I don’t know I still liked horror movies but I turned out okay I went to my dad’s I had visitation every other weekend and our in [Music] he pull it I remember he rented leave the weapon too which has a sex scene in it and I guess by the time the sex scene came on and I was like in third grade or something and he didn’t you know as I just let it roll regular speed regulus I watched a lot of sex scenes and fast forward we’d hear a lot of really quick thrusting yeah oh gosh because that’s horror movies there’s got to be the sexy lethal weapon to I mean it was a great movie but there’s a sex scene that I wouldn’t recommend for any of my kids or a third grader yeah my mom never let the sex scenes just live in their regular pace that wasn’t that wasn’t wrong but fast yeah you had to get through it so she amino Europe so you’re restricted me somewhat your performance expectations now in marriage our yard to be very quick about I brought a weird perspectives into my marriage having seen only fast forward sex my entire life Wow yeah it’s great I was so embarrassed with that I remember um we didn’t discuss I didn’t tell my mom now speaking of guilty pleasures like horror movies you know I I’m in the same boat but I feel like you had a special passion for it gangster rap tell me about your obsession with gangster rap and how that came about now one of our first videos on a YouTube channel was white boys visit Compton which was a podcast first you’ll see that it says rhett and Link cast and we really saw in i2z and we started put them on YouTube that video we give a little bit of this story actually I haven’t seen it and so long I don’t remember but the the start of my love for rap music was your brother Cole mm-hmm Cole was it was so cool to go to your house because not only did we get to hang out we were friends but a guy who is four years older three three years older was there okay this guy’s we’re in eighth grade he’s a junior in high school man yeah and he would try to pin me against you like not physically but like I remember that he would say okay you’d say I got the new a guy I got the new DJ Jazzy Jeff tape anybody got the new young MC tape and this is this is way back in the day but and he said which link which one do you like better yeah well I gotta pick whoever like Oh Cole likes better because he’s older and he’s cooler you didn’t think he was cool he was a jerk you guys getting you’ll get in fights and I would just laugh and laugh and laugh he would make you angry oh so mad he would make you angry in front of me just to embarrass you oh yeah and then you got it I took the bait every time and you got mad at one time and you started chasing him he ran in his room and slammed the door and you threw your speed stick deodorant against the door and it went everywhere like a fire do you know what he was saying at that moment he was saying that I liked Melissa Hood Oh remember that Melissa hood she lived in the neighborhood oh yeah and I wrong with liking Melissa huh I didn’t like her though I mean to the up to this day I’ll throw deodorant at you if you tell me that I like to Melissa no but he just would start it and he would any kept pushing and pushing and pushing it and ever were you the two of you ran actually I can vividly remember this I had a good arm and you got you ran into his room and I came to the top of the steps and I heard speed stick deodorant and I threw it it would have hit him between the eyeballs he didn’t slam the door he slammed the door and it just blew up all over white white everywhere dust particles everywhere I was so mad but he liked gangsta rap feisty in there and it was so off limits to listen to this stuff that’s another thing my mom let us watch horror movies with her but she did not know she was ignorant about the gangsta rap she did not know what was being rapped about in my brother’s room and I felt like it was so cool to come to your house and I felt like I was friends with a high schooler I mean I wasn’t but I had that illusion because if I took his side you would be angry and I would spin cool it was great and this music was everyone always thinks that things have gotten worse everyone thinks that things get you know there’s moral degradation as time goes it has not that’s not the case okay people have always been bad people have always been good now the music has not gotten any worse I mean maybe there’s a little bit more mainstream except because I mean NW was very misogynistic and it was very I mean and it was very brutal I mean talking about over-the-top gang gang violence but also I mean she was just it was out of the war songs where they were explicitly sexual misogynistic it was uh I mean there were a couple of songs that Cole felt so bad about that he he taped over them he had a little bit of a contract and the first CD I ever saw was one a Cole bought of a rap of like Gang Starr and I was like this is so cool one day I’ll have a CD player he didn’t out to his credit he did not have 2 Live Crew yeah he knew there was a line somewhere and if it was just like ok 2 Live Crew is just rapping about sex that’s that’s it so he’s like ok you know I’m not I’m not gonna do that but we can we can stick with the other stuff we haven’t gotten to any Twitter questions maybe we should move a little faster for these last month’s Random TV USA wanted me to ask you who was your best friend before link I don’t know the answer to this actually I never anybody in California that’s a really good question I can honestly not tell you the first name of any one I’m from California I was three four and five and we lived there I’m sure that my mom could help me think of this but no no nobody do you remember I mean I grew up in it my first best friend was Brad this guy who I went to preschool with for years and we like would dig holes in driveway of horses listener [Music] can’t McDonald Brad McDonald so we were like preschool buddies it was just two of us Loretta kept us she’s like four foot three inches tall woman yeah and then kindergarten Matthew ends or who we were friends with all through high school yeah was I thought he was the coolest guy because he could run almost as fast as Randolph Clegg who was a black guy and you weren’t friends with black people when I was in kindergarten I’m just you know that’s just the way it was so Randolph was the fastest guy I wanted him to be my best friend but he was black so Matthew the the fastest white guy had to be my best you know and I want to clarify because I think that there’s a lot of people who don’t come from the same area in the same time that we came from and it was a time when yeah save me if I’ve said anything it went oh I want to clarify that we come from a place where there was you know systemic racism and it was ugly it but it wasn’t open you know by the time it was 1983-1984 no one was saying any we didn’t hear people say racist things directly to people we didn’t hear white people talk directly to black people in a racist way hardly ever but they also didn’t talk to each other and you but but white people would talk negatively about about black people and vice versa within their own groups and then you were friends with with people of other races and really where we come from it was just white and black people that was it there were really very few Asian people who are if you expand people but you didn’t hang out and you weren’t real friends you didn’t go to each other’s homes and that kind of thing and it was just the way it was and we didn’t know we didn’t know any difference so I’m just clarifying there wasn’t like thank you for rescuing me I was I was no more racist than anyone else at the time but I was I was brought up in that and so I felt like okay the coolest people are the people who can run the fastest because in recess every day they we would have like a student organized race at foot races the fastest people were the coolest people I was nowhere near the fastest so I just wanted to be friends with the fastest person or the fastest white person because that was that was mandatory option yeah Matthew and Sue and then it was a first grade when the next year when we met so I had a couple of best friends now Matthew Enzo his best friend was jr. I can’t remember his last name right now the blond kid so I knew that it was not reciprocated I was not his best friend did he give it back I was very frustrated and and then when you know we were I mean I would I don’t know that we were immediately best friends we were we were very close friends but I don’t know if you’d apply that label until that we were best friends worried really I would say that we were as good of friends as I had yeah at the time all through elementary school but I had these these these friends that I mean really first and second grade it was kind of like you know I had you and Tate Maddox and Michael Juby paint Maddox at the time I mean he was kind of a tool I mean he wore Doc head shorts with the shirt his shirt tucked in but with nobody else did but we thought that was super cool what I did he always had a girlfriend yeah but then third grade third grade is when Ben Greenwood moved into town and Ben became you know we me and you and him were as they were and there were probably times I think this relates to Lexie pose question from Twitter she says was there ever a point when you guys were kids that you thought your friendship might be over hmm like a fight no but in terms of am I am I not a my second best friend now yes so two-part question the first one there was definitely a time in which I thought that Ben was my best friend I’d say like fourth fifth grade we lived closer together we spent more time together the three of us were together almost all the time but then there was also a year in there fourth grade and fifth grade which we were in different classes right so Hamm was in my class and I would I would go over and hang out with you guys at Ben’s house or your house and you would you would report to me all the things you had done over the past two weeks when I wasn’t hanging out with you we found this weed that is hollow in the middle and we’ve decided to smoke it and we’re calling it the big George now they did they did not put anything in it it was just like just an actual weed it wasn’t weed it wasn’t an wheat oh we yeah and you would let it on fire and you simulated smoking it like a cigarette you had no clue what you were doing you didn’t even know what marijuana was service or it was horrible good but it was a weed and you caught it the big George and you would build lean twos and Ben had all these ideas and I remember feeling threatened then oh yeah yeah they’re best friends I’m on the fringe I live across town you lived across town and you were in a different class but I never thought that a social class like a like a literally a different teacher at a lower class you live in a smaller house no yeah different teacher and I don’t know how they do it in eighth grade you know sixth seventh eighth grade these days but the way we did it is you were in the same class all day well no it’s for sixth grade but starting seventh eighth grade we did have different classes different teachers at this point in the I’m just gonna like come back to the reality of the year biscuit here and at this point I’m thinking all of a sudden we’ve lost ours I feel like I’ve lost myself in our past and I have no clue how this feels to anyone listening like I feel like Oh rattling come back to us you let me nothing about your past but that’s why it’s experimental I mean this is why we this is why we tried it is this it I have this is we want to know how you feel about it and if you want us to continue to do this kind of thing but let me answer the second part of the question okay was there a point when you were kids that you thought that your friendship might be over I would say that there were Titan you’ve relayed this to me before which i think is also a question that you might have for me about girls I have a question for you about girls I do yeah and that is that I had I was very obsessive about women and fix would go from one girl to the next fixated on a girl whether she reciprocated yeah so what’s your question cuz I want to I don’t want to go too far well so what might it’s not really a question I’m saying that there were times in which because of a girl friends oh into a girl that I’ve kind of forgot about you for all that I mean I certainly happened but I didn’t feel threatened as a best friend because it wasn’t friend it was a girlfriend that’s a different thing I kind of feel like I definitely had the question I wanted to ask you why did you think why do you think you were so obsessive about girls I almost don’t want to ask it now because I feel like when we want to keep the podcast to a certain length that I think there’s some good stuff to unpack if we decide this is a good thing we can wait for that we can do the relational the girl stuff there cuz there’s a lot of girls stole a lot of really good girl stuff I mean you know sharing first girlfriend sharing first kiss I like your obsession with girls and my fear of girls I think they call it teaser link let’s make that another podcast not that we have to end it right now I’m trying to see if I’m looking through these Twitter questions to see if there’s another one I feel like this is kind of part they’re like couples therapy like what’s happening here maybe a little bit of that are you fit do you feel like you’re getting an appreciation of our friendship I it’s so easy to lose sight of how long we’ve been friends cuz you just get into the grind of what are we going to accomplish or what do we have to do this week or this monster well are we going no I think I am gaining appreciate appreciation of it final I do think it is a little bit like not that I didn’t appreciate it I think it is a little bit like counseling without without a mediator I do good unless you call the mythical beasts who are listening that you’re biscuit ears the mediator which is a weird way to thing well I sense their presence but I do I think this is a good question to close with and this is a question that we used as a teaser over and over again on good mythical morning season 3 I guess it was when we would on our question episodes we would say did you do this do you that and did you ever have you ever punched each other in the face and we never answer the question did somebody ask us so deal biz on Twitter who’s followed us for a while says have you ever punched each other in the face hashtag throwbackthursday he’s been a fan for awhile so he knows that this is something that we used all the time as a teaser on good mythical morning so let’s just close by answering that question have we ever punched each other in the face no we haven’t okay so that’s it we have it but but I will say I have we have you ever reared back your fist at me I mean no you you were throwing the deodorant at me and Cole cuz Cole was involved and I think that’s the point I wanted to make and that is as children as children I don’t think we were even ever even close to being on the verge of a physical altercation with one another and I and I think that here’s my theory okay no I have a theory and and but I think that now in current you know our friendship is much deeper much more complex stronger than it than it was when we were 12 years old but the nature of our you know the nature of our friendship and the nature of our business the nature of this being in this creative endeavor together there are times when we get very mad at one another and there are a couple of times we’ve gotten really mad at each other I’d say in it probably ten times in the past ten years where it’s crossed my mind that we might be about to get into a fistfight like we might be a like that might happen like really yeah we’ve been so mad at each other that it’s crossed my mind that like it wouldn’t be totally out of the question right now if one of us punched the other but is it but are you really thinking it wouldn’t be out of the question if link punched me at this moment is that really what you think yeah you cuz I feel as you I don’t feel like you get madder than I do right I feel like you think I would never punch him but sometimes I just don’t know he just might don’t loose cannon on me yeah yeah I’m like he’s a lot madder than I then I thought that he was right now and I’m what I’m gonna say is that when you were a child before you became a man that never happened like you never had that in you you never had this you never had this like I might punch you right now I’m so mad I’m gonna punch you you never had that that was something that like began to emerge like after college I think as a kid I remember getting so angry at certain things that my mom floated the idea that what if he what if you got a pillow that when you got angry you would punch it like I remember that and not very unsatisfying I think that was going into like dealing with puberty but I do remember her making that suggest almost you know hormones going crazy puberty going nuts no pun intended but I I actually tried it I went to my room and I punched my bed and I don’t remember it helping but it but it didn’t play out in in our friendship we didn’t really fight I don’t think we argued no I mean what was there to argue about I mean there’s it we got stuff to argue about every 30 minutes now because we’re creating things in there right you you have creation requires opinions and we’re not always going to share the same perspective on things well I think we’ve learned to it except that now that we couldn’t do a better job of this but in general that create the creative process there for us there’s there’s a give-and-take and there’s a like let’s throw this idea back and forth sometimes like throw it pretty hard back and forth until it shakes out into what it should be well I also think that’s another conversation is the whole creative process the fact that there is a lot of conflict involved in it so nobody sees three special episodes if you kill this one then we’ve got the girl episode and then we’ve got the creative process unless this is a fail I mean I’m I’m opening right I’m open to that maybe it was but I think it was good for us but there’s no one else hears this I think it was good for us to have some perspective on our on our friendship that though this one’s going out oh oh yeah this one’s going out are you gonna tell him that we that we recorded in a one earlier that never went out is that what you’re implying because I think I just accidentally told them yeah yeah that we already tried this and it didn’t work we were we tried this and it was a totally different format we didn’t like the way it turned out okay there we admitted it maybe it’ll be like on some secret channel at some point yeah it’ll be yeah one day we’ll exploit it when we can make it a cellar for seller for a few dollars but from a website created by our sponsor of this episode squarespace.com well you did you’re doing that I want it okay I wanted to transition to an outro and then I thought about our sponsor again and so I’m gonna make it natural and then you screwed it up okay I’ll go there with you make your own website it’s easy it’s gonna look good square Squarespace don’t go to space square com yeah good as well actually I don’t think it exists so you can go to Squarespace calm they’ll help you set up a domain for space square calm and that can be your website that’s confusing it could be anything you want it to be and just remember you get a free trial without a credit card but then if you decide to do it you get 10% off if you use the code that helps us R and L and we are you still doing the plug no no I’m moving on okay you’re moving back to like we were in this like heartfelt moment of this and then you’re like in the middle that’s the story of our lives yeah it is men hey listen I got you know we got to pay for this Wow I mean that that is so pristinely where we are professionally and personally it’s it’s just mashed it’s all mashed together listen I would sponsor my face if I could I could I’m just kidding man yeah okay I did sponsor my hair though if somebody would buy your face you would yeah I mean I wouldn’t tattoo it this is maybe like a like a shaving company or something all of a sudden we’ve gone from from heartfelt introspection to blatant commercialization let’s go back no no we don’t have to go back to crazy town where you talk about butt sponsoring your face like your face is a your face is a show it could be a note your face or and a billboard you you mean sell your face with ad space that’s what you know yeah you mean people will do this by the way you talk at me like I’m crazy but you know and we’ve got this Google glass thing is happening well that’s gonna keep happening and then they’re gonna start looking cool and then there’s gonna be a button that you press on the side of them and a message comes up on your glasses for other people billboard face yeah yeah and it’ll be like Squarespace where we’ll be and one who blends and space will be in the other lens or if you if you buy a URL then space square if you’re selling stuff or if you’re selling squares in space you can probably a button switch them and you if well and what I’m saying is if I believe in the brand and it’ll help us keep doing what we’re doing I’ll do it you’ll I’ll do it you’ll put it on glass I’ll put it on anything I will not permanently tattoo it to my body I will only do that with my wife’s name which I did and you also did for the right brand I would tattoo my other butt cheek with the brand but I would do it smaller than my wife’s name or I would compass I would make my wife’s name bigger because that would not fly at home when I drop trou and next time and it’s like what what’s the price tag on that black and decker is just as big as my what’s the price what seriously what’s the price tag for a butt – well I can’t answer that because I’ve answered that it gives people a window into how much we get for sponsorship anyway I’m not comfortable yo yeah we can’t disclose that I’m not comfortable giving people any point of reference for how much money we don’t make I won’t say I won’t say how much I’m willing to get paid but I will throw it out there that if you want my butt cheek I’m willing to get that sponsored – no one will see it do you realize the irony in this no no but wait how about your butt cheek nobody sees it well my wife does well I’m gonna advertise to your wife my wife will buy whatever it is that’s being advertised on my butt and since when is she looked at your butt I’m done every morning no she I sleep in the nude you think I was leaving the nude and why is this happen and we have a mirror and yes I mean us discussing a one-hole half of our bedroom wall is a mirror so if she doesn’t see when I get up she’s easing when I turn around can can we put this vehicle in Reverse you asked about what it would take what the effectiveness would be of me getting my butt tattooed with a sponsor black you mentioned Black & Decker I don’t know if they’re yeah you put black on your cheek and I put and Decker on mine oh you can just put Decker we can we can hold the ampersand between us okay what is this about tattooing on butt cheeks that is something that comes out of your psyche because we did it because you did it yeah I saw it yeah I saw it actually yesterday I don’t see it often but every once I’m like oh yeah I do have a tattoo you said my wife’s name and it’s on my butt that’s cool yes I mean I don’t regret it there’s never a day that goes by that I regret it it’s unlike you know a face tattoo or an egg tattoo this is a butt tattoo this is a different ball I’ve never regretted it either yeah I would I’ve never thought about adding to it either though or adding any time I thought about getting it underlined for Valentine’s Day okay cuz it’s minimal investment yes like it’s just a lot what did you give me for Valentine’s Day I got you this line I underlined your name so it’s like every year then there’s an expectation that next year I put it in quotes no no that’s that’s condescending it’s like you know I’m like mom I’m using it like they use it on billboards and stuff that they don’t understand they use quotes for emphasis I’m using it in that colloquial sense no I think that the expectation would be okay you underlined again did you double unders you keep underlining it and then it would just it could become like all of a sudden it’s on a pedestal I could probably underline it for the rest of our marriage if the lines are small enough like I think it should be like a pedestal yeah it’s just a little line that if we stay missing the most of you I’ve had all week by the way if we stay married long enough there’s gonna the is gonna be a petal still going down my right leg it holds up your name on my bunch like what is that tattoo well it kinda it leads to my wife’s name I’m about to yeah or you could you could do like puffy letters you can i mean it’s it’s like cursive i don’t think you could do that at this point without screwing it up but I can put a drop shower shadow on it this year I gave you a drop shadow it’s like I mean there’s something to that because there’s a chat there’s a creative challenge that I that resonates with me that every Valentine’s Day what do you well you didn’t underline you did you can’t make it italics what’s this no one person yeah once it’s done you can’t you can drop shadow it you can quote it you can underline it I think we should end this I mean I balloon around I don’t I mean I don’t you know I’m not gonna say I don’t trust Alex or Stevie in order to make the editorial decision but I’m saying I think I want to easy letdown I think we we just took that tattoo as far as we could and and now we can just say that you know again want to remind you a couple of things number one if you liked this let us know number two it helps us a lot when you go to iTunes and you rate our podcast you leave a review have you ever seen those reviews we’re not reviews tattoos you said review where they like make a whole arm sleeve totally ink or like the guy for Rage Against the Machine his whole left PEC is ink like solid ink it’s when they mess up it up they just make it totally well yeah I could make everything on my right butt cheek total ink except for pink using Butchie except for her name so it would be like a it’ll be like a dark room with a spotlight on her name is what it would be try that see how that feels well it’s gonna take time because I’m gonna do it by underlining her name I’m a circle ur name every year you squealed so much when that happened I can’t imagine you getting all butt cheek done [Music] [Music]