[Music] welcome to ear biscuits I’m Linc and I’m Rhett it’s time for another conversation with someone interesting from the internet and that week that week that week you know that remember that week yeah did that interesting person conversation yeah well I meant to say this week or that person but it had happened that week that interesting person this week is super popular Australian by way of South Africa vlogger Troye Sivan that’s right now we caught up with Troy during our time in Orlando at playlist live so we met I think we met him in passing once before very briefly I think at the Camp Takota premiere he was there and mamrie introduced us because they were friends when their time when they spent time together in Australia right but I digress my point is he sat down with us in the vestibule of our hotel room he’s really just sort of the front front part of the suite I’m just making a point that like we weren’t like the for yay schoolgirls having a slumber party in like our hotel room we like had chairs and but it wasn’t pretty professional but stick but still pretty intimate I think you know first of all it maybe it’ll sound a little bit different to you but I’m wondering if you can sense an added level of candor and this ear bisque is that your ways we’re organizing for the maybe the low audio quality I think it sounds pretty good no I’m not apologizing for anything I’m saying to you the listener if you sense an added level of candor it’s because the conversation was happening in our living space okay it wasn’t you know this round table of dim lighting that we’re sitting at now right and you might hear like here in the studio but it’s not you know in like our home right and you might hear like the ice machine down the hall or maybe someone knocking and saying housekeeping that’s also because it was in a hotel room but I don’t think any of those things happen but if you just happen to hear that maybe somewhere in the ether I’d like to use the word ether that was all that was about I’d like to use the the term icemaker okay well how about an ice breaker or an ether maker can we install an ether maker here nope in the studio don’t kill you it’s poison make it go to sleep okay if you haven’t seen Troy’s content here’s some context for you he’s an 18 year old HT Murphy song he said he’s on roids on roids I’m sorry I’m sure I’m having a lot of trouble today it’s okay it’s I’m gonna be fine don’t worry about me I have not had a stroke as far as I know here’s 18 years old there’s a certain point when we’re doing this that I have the realization that the person we’re talking about is listening and that’s one of those moments like Troy himself is listening to this ear biscuit and we you know you just said he was on roids we never listen I never claimed to be a professional that’s not why I’m doing this sorry sir listen not trying to win some award for this show okay okay that’s trying to say it’s Troy has amassed a huge youtube fan base I’m talking almost two million subscribers seventy three million views in arguably just one year as a vlogger I get the shivers quite a lot I’m just wondering what the ship is I mean they happen mostly off dry pee but you know what I’m actually going to Google this phenomenon I get shake shake when I we we know results Troy’s also an actor in traditional media he was actually in x-men origins Wolverine as the young Wolverine right before he was 12 years old I honestly haven’t seen that oh I have I don’t remember Troy I just because you know I didn’t I didn’t know him at the time but now I’m gonna watch it and I’m gonna watch it for sure he looks a lot like a young Hugh Jackman the more to think about it maybe that’s why I got the part that and he’s an amazing actor and his skeleton is made out of what is it stuff that made out of Nedim an atom in at a min tiem I’m gonna get in trouble now adamantane iam no gosh I think I might have been right on that one it’s not titanium that’s all I know right this kid it starts with an atom so he haven’t seen the movies why are you asking me but he’s been it he’s been in that movie and he’s also the star of South Africa’s box-office topping film series spud which as he describes to us is kind of the Harry Potter but just for South Africa but it’s huge in South Africa he’s the lead he is spud big deal and the the third in that trilogy is coming out this coming December in the third in the trilogy of his talents includes his vocal ability so here’s a clip of that from his channel and I don’t want to say goodbye someone tell me why I just want see that’s done now Troy is really the first person that we’ve talked to from this group of British / South African / Australian vloggers who are quite possibly the most talked about phenomenon on YouTube right now these guys are just taking YouTube by storm translation the demographic that we are most jealous of yeah yeah we know get the screams so it’s kind of like the Beatles of YouTube is how I described this this crop of guys and he’s that he is firmly planted in that group I mean yeah like meeting a security detail at playlist he’s on roids he doesn’t need okay Troy also talked to us about the different experiences he had in coming out to his family and then later to his fans and I’ll say for me as a parent there were certainly aspects of a story that were particularly inspirational to me in discussing how his parents related to him so you can listen for that and we discussed the speculation around his friendship with Tyler Oakley specifically answering the question or asking the question is troyler a real thing and what’s the deal with this secret project he’s working on okay here are you ready our hotel encased ear biscuit with Troye Sivan [Music] I think Stevie either gave you or started to give you like a rundown on what we do or whatever I’ve had a bit of a rundown from Tyla okay and grace okay and apparently you guys like us like hard-hitting like about myself and I was so ya know i yeah I’m prepared for it now I mean I thought this is gonna be like like you know just like I know well kids show us something but nope like just have to shoot the breeze kind of yeah it’s kind of like what I did in the main stage just yeah but no I’m excited for it I don’t think that anything else exists like this on online so I’m excited about it well I’m glad you think that it might be true because it’s cool yeah cuz with YouTube we’re very in control of what we share you know what I mean very editors so it’s very very editing like the image that we put out to everyone is is what we want you know so that’s why it’s exciting I think like I’d be excited to watch I’m gonna go listen to like everyone’s after this because I’m just I’m excited to hear a bit more of like a real perspective on people it sounds like you they did give you a good primer like what did Tyler say specifically who’s like a yeah he was just like it’s like intense and I was like okay cool he’s like no like really intense like what do you mean like are they gonna what are they gonna ask me about he’s like I don’t know just like intense stuff I was like okay cool that’s it like it’s gonna get it yeah it’s literally that’s the word that I’ve been hearing so I can’t promise that it won’t it won’t get intense at some point but I’m like we’re not gonna start with intense I want to start with the pee shivers video alright that’s because I’ve got an answer for you I mean in the videos what was the name of that video I get the shivers when I pee I think for example like I’m a huge fan of using whatever title I want just you know I think a lot of what I do on YouTube is trying to get as many people to watch what I do as possible and then like try and impress them and they’re like the three minutes that I have and you know so whatever it takes to get them to originally click I’m like all for it but then once they’re watching I’m like hey I’m doing something that hopefully you might like but you did you did talk about getting the shivers when you pee yeah when you can and you demonstrate illustrate right yeah no yeah it happens to me all the time and I said to my I thought I was like making this hella relatable video and I spoke to like all of my family members and it never happened to any of them so I was really nervous to put up that video have you guys have got the shoes go clomp of course okay oh yeah I think it’s a relatively common thing I desire it you’re like disappointed when you’re peeing and you ain’t get the shivers yeah I’m like how can I induce this I know and I know how you can induce it now okay so I did a little research for you because you said you wanted some scientific advice and I I specialize in scientific advice right especially in peace of is like that yeah when it comes to like bladder related things so it happens usually when you have a really full bladder okay and you are standing up I mean those two things are usually a factor and it’s because when you pee your your blood pressure changes and your nervous system has this response to it I don’t know exactly what happens with your nervous system to basically account for the fact that your blood pressure is going down I guess because your bladder is empty right and it causes this response that sometimes results and it’s almost like an overstimulation thing where all of a sudden you are shivering that’s the that is this prevailing scientific theory I’m probably kind of botched it because I just looked it up really quickly right just so I’d have an answer for you but that’s it is scientific I’m gonna be wrong with you I’m gonna hold in my pee for the next couple of hours and stand up and you see if it happens if it does I’m gonna be so excited because then I can control it that’s like a mystical thing that happens every now and then but not really not really all the time and it doesn’t happen when you’re sitting seated and peeing yeah it’s what I’ve been told mm-hmm and I and also experience but what yeah I sometimes sit down to pee I’m not gonna well from what I’ve hooked heard you sit down to pee quite a bit which I uh I questioned it I mean it’s your prerogative it’s your house it’s your pee well there’s it just minimizes the splash and spray the missile the missing it minimizes my mom getting really really angry at me because I’m because I’m missing hit-the hit-the toilet seat oh you said miss I thought you were saying miss teen like you pee in a mist you do need to see a doctor is that relatable to everyone that’s normal right that’s here that’s the video title that’s the title so you’re in the in the comments below the video you didn’t see a lot of your audience relating to the shivers well no I did I did I saw um I was just genuinely interested I wasn’t sure if it just happened to boys if it happened to girls did you find that out that’s something I’m caught in she does not happen to women and unless they stay in won’t be nearly as much because I don’t because they typically sit down right and they also have ladders are smaller than men’s on average so yeah it doesn’t happen the factors are so enlisted and and I and I would assume I do you know the demographic breakdown of your audience like yeah girls to guys what is it it’s like a solid 80/20 or 90/10 I can’t remember it’s one of the two right so you’ve got these girls who are watching so they’re like we can’t we can’t relate right yeah that doesn’t happen maybe that but it was a flop and I didn’t even realize yeah well you got to take that into account next time right yeah hmm interesting you thought when you talk about flops it doesn’t seem like any of your videos of flops you I mean you’re breaking a million views per video pretty much on like a weekly basis right yeah it’s time to get up there yeah and I mean it’s crazy like I didn’t ever expect for that to happen I posted seen videos for ages before I ever posted my first vlog and I literally never ever looked at the view count like which is something views and subscribers just were nothing to me it was more about just putting the videos out there just to see who would ever watch them and I’ve my manager found me doing them and you know it really did change my life regardless of the view counts you know so for me when I started like you know becoming like a youtuber and consistently uploading and everything all of a sudden it was like a whole new world to me with like your views and things like that and I still I’m not like as into it as I think a lot of people are like I really don’t I love celebrating milestones but I don’t really look at my subscribers and views all that often I just try and make for me always been about trying to make videos that I’m proud of that’s sound but still on a consistent basis no that’s the thing said because I want to make videos that I’m proud of and I’ve been traveling a lot over the last like yeah and because of the traveling it’s hard to make videos that I’m proud of because I’m shooting them in hotel rooms and things like that you know so I’d rather just wait until I got home and because I’m not home very often the video consistency has kind of slowed down which is not something that I’m happy about but at the same time I can’t say what it is but I’m working on like over the last year I’ve been working on some pretty pretty like exciting stuff and um it’ll all become clear in a couple of months oh yeah I about in and out of sanitation I like it we won’t push you yet well in some details you were born in South Africa is that right yeah Johannesburg okay so how long did you live there I lived there till I was two okay so I know memories of that no well I I’ve gone back a lot because I did this South African film series called spud and there’s this for books and we’ve made three movies so far they’re kind of exclusively like that they’ve got they’re getting an iTunes release in the US and they had an iTunes release in Australia but nothing crazy but in South Africa so it’s like an indie film it wasn’t the a triple release no instead I forgot I had a theatrical release and it’s like bigger than Harry Potter there because yeah the books of like the best-selling books in the country cuz it spices African author and everything so over there it’s kind of like this crazy phenomenon and yeah everywhere else it’s kind of quiet though but I’ve been back I’ve been back a lot to shoot those and the films are about like a boy who goes to a middle-class boy who goes to he gets a scholarship to go to an all-boys boarding school like an elite all-boys boarding school and it’s kind of like in the 90s in South Africa so apartheid is kind of coming to an end and everything and it’s basically like it kind of is like Harry Potter just – the magic which sounds boring but it’s not boring I don’t know it’s more cleavage right yeah it’s just it’s a lot of like there’s a lot of like amputee stuff and right there coming of a really coming-of-age film funny I understand and you’re the star of this film I guess yeah you’re the Harry Potter of spud I’m spud and spud okay it’s your bud you are spud mm-hmm and is it John Cleese and yeah John Cleese isn’t it yeah this is this is a this is a big deal he’s so awesome and you when did you start doing that how are you when you did the first spud I think I was like 15 maybe 14 15 okay so this was I would assume that the success of spud worldwide has been helped by your yeah it’s just kind of a I’ve only been doing YouTube for a year so when spud 2 came out in South Africa spud 3 is coming out this year I hadn’t really started youtubing so between spud 2 and spud 3 it’s gonna be really really interesting to see how like the role that goes of spud 3 now that I’ve been doing the whole YouTube thing and on top of it when they were looking for that another character comes in to spud 3 and his name is garlic and they were looking for someone to play it and they found Caspar Lee on YouTube oh yeah yeah he says African and they were like you know he’s cool he’s went and he killed the audition as it was and he’s got this online following and he’s like perfect when you read the character description when I read it now I’m like oh my god Casper so as there are like like a villain character no he’s just I don’t know it’s just kind of a little bit he’s an interesting fella and so Casper played him yeah perfectly I love Casper to death yeah yeah and you guys have collaborated yeah we’ve collaborated he’s honestly like he’s honestly one of my favorite you cheat like I love love love Casper and spending those couple of weeks together and South Africa showed in the movie and then like that’s one of the coolest things that I think about having YouTube friends is is that like Casper and I over the last like yeah that we’ve known each other have hang out in like Florida LA London Cape Town Johannesburg like just crazy crazy crazy stuff and to like have these life experiences with people is really really really awesome and also I think what I started to realize a little while ago because because I’ve been traveling so much is that even if I was to have like really really strong relationships back home which I kind of do even those would be long-distance relationships so to have people who are always like meeting you in these places like to have YouTube friends is something that I really really am starting to cherish because like you know you’re not really going to see anyone who lives consistently in one place because you’re not consistently one place but if you’re all kind of like meeting up all over the world it works so much yeah it works out okay so at the age of two where did you move to Perth in Australia Western Australia and that’s still kind of home base for you like yeah right so their type of thing the whole family lives there siblings yeah I’m one of four um got older brother then it’s me younger sister younger brother mhm and what took you two what took your parents to Australia um I think it was mostly the crime in South Africa I’m said he wanted more crying or yeah I don’t know which way no yeah so I think it just kind of started to get a little bit crazy there and you know walls around houses kept on getting higher and more and more security cameras and electric fences and things like that apparently my older brother he was four at the time he was like are there any baddies in Australia like a bad guy are there any bad guys and I was like no there’s no bad guys in Australia I mean he was apparently happy about it so at four years old for him to like comprehend that because you know obviously your parents tell you you know if anyone comes up to your don’t like scream and run away or whatever you know like the the crime there just kind of started to go through the roof and um it’s still pretty crazy over there like I I get nervous to go back but um I loved it so much as a place and I don’t know if I don’t know if it’s still home but like it I definitely have a strong connection to it so I kind of know kind of sucks that we had to leave but you know I love it here as well what are your parents do in Perth my dad’s a real estate agent and my mum is a stay-at-home mom okay and you did a home school thing for a little bit yeah I I started to kind of travel and do work he stuff like um when I was about 14 that’s when I did the spod movies I also did x-men origins Wolverine so I started to like travel for acting and stuff but even before that I would imagine because you are you in a family of performers do your brothers and sisters are they into that like cuz I you know you go back to your first youtube video where you were 12 year old kid right and you know six years ago and you and I think your second or third video is like you’re performing on a telethon of some kind right so you were obviously already and even your first video you you could sing you were a kid who was just like I just gonna sing on YouTube is okay you’ve been perform so how did that start I don’t know like I’m not really from performing family my mom was a model when she was younger and she did like a couple of like stage plays along the way but um nothing crazy I was just kind of ever since I was really little we’ve got like home videos of me you know hiding behind my parents curtains in the bedroom and like popping out and singing Spice Girls and stuff like that yeah so I just have always always always sung and then when I was about nine I probably started doing like voice lessons and I kind of started doing like events and things like I was kind of a boy soprano that I started to even travel even when I was like ten I did like some stuff in Sydney and Melbourne and performing at different like dinners and like events and things and then when YouTube came along I I thought I’d I’d post on YouTube and yeah it was there any oh Troy you should you know your parents like yeah you don’t know if you should do that it was just like oh not really I think to be honest I think my parents were like pretty ignorant about the risks of being online at like such a young age because we had some really like dodgy people approached us that we were just so like you know like I don’t know they said that there was someone that they weren’t and we raised like well you know back then and like help out your career yeah I think yeah like a manager kind of vibe and it just that did not end well at all so um yeah I think it just kind of is one of those things where we weren’t really aware of all the risks and stuff but um we just started to see like positives right away like my first ever ever video it’s now deleted and I wish I still had it but I don’t um lisa lavie who’s a YouTube singer she has she was featured on the front page of YouTube back when that was like a big deal for a song an angel and um I posted a video response of me singing like literally a 10-second it was like a live webcam cover because I saw she was replying to comments right there and then and I was like starstruck because she had a million views and I couldn’t believe that she was like replying at that exact moment so I’m yeah I posted that and she comment she was the first person to comment so right from the very very beginning there was like this I like ran to my parents and it was like this positive energy around YouTube so I think that even if they didn’t really know what it was we always just like we all just dumbfounded that you know my video had like a thousand views in like two days or whatever it was it was like you saw our responses yes straight away straight away I’ve never really not had a response so um yeah yeah that’s always been a good thing I think right but it wasn’t I mean you obviously didn’t immediately become a youtuber I mean you go back over those last you know those years and you did a few videos a year you know you would sing something here or that kind of thing I make a video here there but weren’t you discovered by like a casting agent or director on on YouTube yes I was a manager in LA but um he told me his name is rod and he’s amazing I’m still with him but um he’s not a music manager really so he saw me singing and he was like hey have you ever tried acting before and I was like no but I’m keen to give it a go so he’s like okay cool I’ll send you through any auditions if I get them and the first one was for x-men origins Wolverine and so my mom and I like googled how to do an audition like had a film it and stuff like that we learnt her you know you have to say your name and everything like that in the beginning him we did that and googled how to even export like a video file and send it like to someone and we did it all ourselves it was a video audition yeah there’s a untape audition at NY to LA no no no we emailed it and did you have to shave your head nope why would I shave my head for Wolverine the x-men did Wolverine Wolverine is plenty of hey he’s like an arrow dude Magneto Professor Xavier professor exam no no no you weren’t you are but she weren’t auditioning for Wolverines part yeah baby Wolverine oh he had here hmm like on his head not like chest hair or anything got it yeah incest first audition ever you got the part yeah like how many rounds of auditions were there just one just one yeah I mean where is this audition tape I sit on your YouTube channel I guess I should upload it I still have it I think I think I’ve still got it you should you should mine really really bad quality but but that’s perfect yeah I hope I still have that actually I mean wow object man yeah that would be crazy to watch back now well is it the type of thing that you felt like wow this is happening or because it happened so seemingly effortlessly I mean you had to Google some stuff yeah but I mean that’s just not how things happen I don’t even know how to do an audition and now I’m playing Wolverine right yeah well that’s the thing I I think that was your perspective I’ve kind of got a fear that I’m one day things are gonna stop working out because I’ve been so like been possibly lucky in my life like literally this that kind of stuff doesn’t happen to people and it happens to me like all the time and I’m just I’m really really really thankful that it does but I don’t I don’t really get it I don’t I don’t know why why it happens but it does I don’t know it’s just been so what was the in works area it’s like once you got the part I mean did you know I didn’t that this this is crazy I’m just this is gonna be a crazy ride I’m just gonna enjoy it or were you like oh this is how it works no a hundred cent I was like a crazy ride okay freak it out I’m along came to school and like pick me up from school to tell me and everything like that and um you’re gonna be an x-man yeah so it was yeah right from then I was instantly like two weeks later we shot my bit in Sydney yet you know Fox Fox yeah Fox Studios and and how many days was that shoot for you I think it was 14 really okay yeah it was only like three scenes so they take a long time to shoot yeah shoot the big-budget movies so yeah it was cool there was night shoots and think it was my first time acting as well so I didn’t know what I was doing at all but um we had a really really good director and he was South African so it kind of reminded me of my dad and like if he called me like Troy key and boy key which is like a very African dad kind of thing to do and um yeah I just made me feel super super comfortable and yeah it was it was like a really really really good experience I loved every second of it and then once I once I done that my voice started to break and I kind of like freaked out because that had been my life since I was like nine and I was 13 and my always thought it’s change I didn’t recognize the voice it was coming out of my neck so I am yeah so I kind of freaked out a little bit but then act was like a it like 100% kept me busy for the next like few years while my voice is breaking so that was a huge huge huge relief I like discovered my my next thing that I wanted to do for a while cuz I feel like like even there was only a couple of years singing from like ages 9 to 13 was like it was like a big deal to me I sunned like all the time it did all different kinds of things so I felt like I had like given it a proper go and I didn’t need a break but like I kind of wanted to just you know give it a break and try something else that acting was like it came in at the perfect perfect time but what was that you know when did you decide and what was there a decision that was like you know I’m going to I’m gonna pursue this YouTube thing like I’m going I’ve got a strategy and how did that start and then what were the first videos like um so basically I I saw like the vlogging trend it’s that well I mean obviously vlogging had been around and I’ve been watching youtubers since like 2007 so um oh yeah and I just I kind of always thought that I could do it if I wanted to but I wasn’t sure um and I didn’t really know what like where to start or whatever but um I had a camera and I got back from spud too and there was kind of like nothing really going on and I was home-schooled already at that point so I wasn’t at school and I was just like okay well what am I gonna do with my time so um yeah I made an introduction video that was very very like general in that it could have just been like hi you’ve been watching me sing on YouTube for a couple of years just thought I’d finally like introduce myself don’t worry I’m gonna carry on posting singing videos nothing’s gonna change or it could have been like hi I’m Troy this is I’m about to start like this whole vlogging thing and I posted it and then um everything was fine and I made the next video which was a challenge that I do to my friends or something like that and I showed it to my parents and they were like but wait what’s the point like you know you’re not singing I don’t I don’t know what challenge was it remember salt and ice challenge salt and ice challenge yeah how’s that work again you put salt and ice in your hand and you clench it until it hurts and then you sing is what your parents were thinking my parents yeah my parents like what like I don’t understand what are you doing what’s what’s the point of this and I wasn’t even sure if I was like making a stupid decision but I did it and I didn’t really get any backlash so then like and I also noticed that the videos like singers they get views but they don’t necessarily get subscribers and I started to get subscribers from vlogging and I was like the like blew me away then the difference in between a sing MIDI on a vlogging video was like huge so um yeah I just started to kind of like consistently do it and I just yeah carried on and I made them pretty consistently for like a year every single week and ya know I said like I said it’s kind of less consistent but I’m trying to get it back up there to once a week right now your most popular video could be wrong on this is your coming out video at what point in the process did you make that decision kind of you talked about this in the day yeah just kind of bring us up to speed on what went into your decision to making your coming out video right well I think um I thought about it for a lot like it for a real long time before I posted it and I think it because you were who were you coming out to just your audience you were already out to I mean in my life it wasn’t really an issue anymore as in I was 18 when I posted that video I just turned 18 like two months prior and um I yeah I at that point in my life I’d come at it when I was 15 to my family and my close friends so it had been like three years and even though not everyone I come from like a it’s a relatively small city Perth is like two million people but I come from a small community within Perth it’s the Jewish community of Perth is like eight thousand people or whatever so everyone knows everyone and we all went to one school and you know yeah so it was kind of and it was starting to like leak out there but um it was mostly just my close friends of my family and I don’t tend to socialise in like huge groups of people I tend I have like three really close friends and that was it so to me it seemed like it was an absolute non-issue because the people that I hung out with all the time knew and it was so not a big deal because it had been like three years or whatever so um well then it was it a big deal at the beginning um ones that your family and tight-knit community well I I guess it was but not necessarily in a bad way you know what I mean it was just like I was it just took a little while to adjust to it and stuff like that I think for me as well one thing that I wasn’t expecting that I don’t think a lot of people expect when they come out was um like it kind of felt an invasive / intrusive for me like I remember I don’t want to say this but um the day after I came out was like a really really really hard day for me to my parents at least I felt so like weird the whole day I felt like obviously I think now that I think about it makes perfect sense because you’re just you know you’re telling someone a secret that you’ve just kept inside you for 15 years but now and now all of a sudden the people that you live with know and I thought I felt I do it when I talk how did I tell him yeah I told my dad in bed just we were just talking and I I’d been wanting to tell him for a long time like you get to that phase where every single time you’re alone with your parent it’s like all you can think about and it like it just becomes all-consuming and every time I was alone I was thinking about I was watching coming out videos on YouTube and things like that and you know I was on gay teen forums and things like that and just trying to read up and get resources and stuff like that and I just I felt like I was going insane like I actually felt like I was going a bit nuts because it was all I could think about all the time and just because it was like worrying me so much and also and we’re a really nice family teen yeah okay so we were really really really close family we’re very very like tight-knit and so for me to have this like stress and weight and pressure and all these worries that they knew nothing about it was like that was also stressing me out I felt like it shouldn’t have to be like that and I didn’t want to lie to my parents and I didn’t want to lie to my brothers and sister so um I didn’t wanna lie to my friends either so it just kind of got to the point where I physically felt like I couldn’t keep it in anymore I just I didn’t want to live like that anymore I didn’t want to have this big secret so um it was it was it a surprise for them or I think it was um as in I don’t know I’m sure that I’m sure there was always something in the back of their head that maybe like they questioned it you know like I said I was jumping out and singing Spice Girls when I was like three so um you know like little things like that and but I was also I remember being super super super conscious of being too feminine when I was younger like I it was just something that I was very very aware of like no don’t do that that’s gay I didn’t even know what gay meant but like I felt like it was a bad thing so you I felt like I throughout my entire childhood I’m like they one time I came downstairs and I was wearing like a wig my mom had these like wigs and I’d put on one of the wigs and they started singing like Troy Ella Davila whatever like Cruella De Vil mhm and I started to cry my eyes out because I was like oh my god I must have been like eight or something like that right but I was like oh my god oh my god oh my god they’re gonna think that I’m gay and I didn’t even know if I was at the time but like I was I just remember it being a serious serious serious worry for me so um I maybe they had it in the back of their heads but nothing nothing like there wasn’t like oh yeah we know it wasn’t like that kind of a reaction which some people get right so yeah it was still it was I think that makes it scarier as well sometimes I think if you think your parents know you know maybe may make it a bit easier but yeah I didn’t think that they really knew and they told me that they didn’t really know so how did they react and your siblings what was the no sir okay so you were Tom at the next day yeah no so my dad was completely fine with it so it was it was at nighttime we were just chilling on my bed and we started talking about religion and we got into the topic I was like if you could change anything about religion what would you change the Jewish religion was specifically because we’re Jewish okay and he was like oh you know the whole gay thing doesn’t really make sense to me you know why why the Jewish religion isn’t okay with that and I was like I was like okay cool yeah yeah me too and I was like and by the way I was like looking well because and then I went like really quiet for like 30 seconds it felt like an eternity I don’t know how long it was to be honest I could be in five seconds could mean two minutes and my throat was like locking up and everything like that and I just I I just said it I was like because I think I’m gay right and he um I’ll like never forget the look that he gave me like it wasn’t it wasn’t a look of disgust or wasn’t look of like it was just like really really I think it was a look of love 100% because he just um yeah he’s like like his eyes welled up immediately or whatever and we just started hugging and uhm yeah it was it was a really really really sweet moment I asked him if he still loved me and he told me they did well and um so it was really Anna he kind of inadvertently opened the door he yeah you to say this is who I am now that was what I had been waiting for for weeks I’d been thinking about it non-stop ever especially when I was like hanging out one-on-one with either of my parents it was all that I was thinking about so I was waiting for something like that to happen and as soon as he gave me that opportunity I just kind of took it but then yeah and so right away we spent like the next couple of hours just like talking in bed and catching up on like you know everything that I had been thinking over the last 15 years that I couldn’t speak about um and yeah so we spent some time talking about that and everything and then again because it was such a close family I understood 1,000% I was like you don’t you know you can tell mom you don’t have to like lie to mom about it and I woke up the next morning and it was like super super early I had slept like maybe two hours cuz I was so like I just I was like shaking the whole night like I just I was a big big big thing for me so I’m yeah and I woke up and he was like oh I’ve told your mother and I was like okay cool so then I said I went upstairs and my mom was like Troy sit down I mean what and what is it what is it about the you know what are the dynamics of your relationship with your mother versus your father that that did you anticipate that would be the way that would have beat you would tell your dad and then he would tell your mom as opposed to oh you’re gonna because I think a lot of coming out stories that I’m familiar with the that you tell your mom first right so I think it was interesting that you know what do you what do you think was the dynamic there my dad’s such a like a softy like we’ve always had a really really really close relationship just because I’m from when I was about I don’t know maybe like five or six up until right after I told him so up until like 15 every Friday night my dad and I would sleep together and we would like talk and everything like that before we went to bed and then we go to sleep so we served like pretty like deep conversations about life and everything we used to go on walks as well and like talk about you know life and bicycle rides and things like that so I like I can understand why I told my dad first but not that doesn’t discount any like it doesn’t discount my relationship with my mom and I think it was equally probable that I remember a few days before I was in the car with my mom and she was speaking about like a gay person in our community or something like that and I was so so so close to telling her then but I couldn’t I didn’t have the the courage or whatever at that particular moment I just wasn’t ready so um yeah I was fully prepared to come out to either of them or both if I want if you know if I was going to tell both of them but at the same time I think my mom would have 100 simply able to see my dad the next morning and see it and be like wait what’s up why you acting weird and I’m sure that you know then he would have told that right I think is it you know testimony to you know your dad and I guess both of your parents approach to being you know that’s just not the type of conversation that you can have just out of the blue just coming out you know first you said we were having a conversation about the parts of the Jewish religion that we would change like well that I didn’t say but I was like that’s an interesting topic of conversation with your fifteen-year-old son you know I think it’s a testimony of your relationship that you’ve had those conversations on a weekly basis your whole life and as a father myself it’s inspiring to hear that you know you’re laying this groundwork of conversations with it’s not just a child or my son or daughter it’s another human being at 107 it takes a lot of work to have those type of conversations but then when you have to have the the the awkward or the tough for the really weighty conversation you’ve at least laid the groundwork for it to happen and and you know he opened the door for that to be a safe place for you right well I maintain that those Friday nights were they existed solely for me to eventually come out like I didn’t know it at the time when I was like wait can I sleep with you because like I don’t know what happened maybe my parents had like a fight or something like that the first time that we ever did it my dad and I got to sleep with my dad that night but um yeah some something happened and then I was like wait it’s Friday night can we sleep together again because we had like obviously had some cool conversation or something so I’m yeah I don’t know I think that and then then right afterwards well obviously I was 15 at that point so right after I’d come out like it carried on for maybe like another three or four weeks and then I was I just slept by myself but it was kind of like I served it I think I think yeah I think that’s what whether its purpose was and it served that purpose and then it was I was done so I agree though that was a hundred cent the groundwork that like that set me up to be so okay with with everything and okay with my parents yeah so you you came out to your family and friends and so you would you got to a point where that was just part of the conversation that well he was having we stop the story when you’re talking about telling your mom right what your mom was like sit down oh yeah no so yeah so my mom was sitting down on the couch and she was like um like sit with me let’s let’s talk because my dad was standing there he’s like try a told your mom and she’s like come sit down and I’m at that point again my heart started racing everything like that and she was completely completely okay with it like hugged me and I don’t remember her crying on me crying or anything like that it was it was like pretty relaxed I mean yeah we just kind of spoke about it and she was like to me so you don’t feel like you want to be a girl right and I was like no no no I don’t like she shouldn’t I don’t know I think that was probably a sensible question to ask as well because I think that um like for example I came out the first time I ever ever came out was to my best friend and I came out as bisexual because I feel like it was like less a big of a deal yeah you know than coming out as gay so you know I think my own which is like covering our bases making sure you know a transgender you know like what’s what’s going on well there’s a medical costs associated with that alright Ally that as a parent maybe you’d have to start budgeting for braces so yeah I think you know I think she was just kind of like it was straight away it was all about me and my dad kept using the word of tool box he wanted to give me the toolbox to cope with everything that comes with being LGBT or being gay and he just wanted to make sure that you know I had someone to speak to so immediately within like within like a week or whatever we went and my dad’s therapist we went we spoke to my dad’s therapist me my mom my dad we had like I said like a group session and then I carried on going for a few weeks afterwards just like alone to just like I guess get out all of the issues that I previously hadn’t been able to speak about or you know still maybe didn’t feel comfortable talking to my parents or my friends about maybe you know things like that and that was really really helpful so and now I still have that therapist number in my phone and my dad’s always said to me you know if ever ever ever you need it give her a call or you want me to give her a call just let me know and you know we can we can sort it out so things like that it was all about making sure that I was okay and had the like the tools to to deal with whatever was going to come because of this you know what I mean right and so a few years passed and of course then your YouTube career becomes what it has become and so did you feel you obviously you didn’t start by saying okay hey I’m Troy and I’m gay no you you decided at some point okay well I’m going to come out to my audience yeah was that because you felt a sense of responsibility or it was like well I kind of feel like I’ve developed this relationship with this audience and it’s time to sort of lay it all out there well it’s interesting I think it’s I think it’s probably both because um it was definitely a thing for me of responsibility because I before I came up to my parents the the thing that I turned to the entire time was the Internet it was the only thing I like I really knew how to do so I think that that’s why I was also like coming up to myself was kind of not easy but it just the whole process was okay because I knew I’d done some like googling and things like that and I knew that it was okay so I knew that it wasn’t a terrible terrible thing so for me it was important to reiterate that message to this now like almost I think was like 400,000 people that I that was subscribed to me and then the other really really big part of it was I was speaking to this audience more often than I spoke to like people who went to my school and more often than you know just people in my life that I was tweeting with them and speaking and just like legitimately having a conversation in relationship with this it’s fair enough it’s a large group of people but with this group of people you know and um again it got to the point where like I felt like I couldn’t say certain things it was literally like exactly the same as how I felt around my friends and my parents before I told them I just like I was like I feel like I should be able to say this and I don’t even think it would be weird for me to say this with this audience I feel like they would get it and everything would be fine so um yeah like say what I know just little things like I have a crush on a guy exactly I wanted to be able to tweet who my you know celebrity crush was or I wanted to be able to you know things like that I just I you know I just wanted to be able to acknowledge that and talk about that and again I was so lucky that by that point everywhere else in my life it was such a non-issue that I was like why am i hiding this thing that I’m really really not ashamed of that could help a whole bunch of people like it helped me a few years ago like I can’t forget how much the internet I need it you know I felt a responsibility like be that for someone else you know yeah and um yeah and I even something like before I told the internet I I got the advice of a few people and one of the first people was Tyler Oakley I spoke to him on skype and I was you know it was like my first time speaking to him and it was just on chat cause I was too nervous to like do a video call or whatever but um yeah and I came up to him and I was like and I’m thinking about coming out to my audience you know and he just he also kind of gave me advice and everything like that and I just I really I just felt like I was it was time and it felt odd to not be out to them I don’t know it just it got to that point and I think once it gets to that point that’s what that’s when you know that you’re getting close to to doing it and then on top of that it I think I think it’s also made like real life easier because I haven’t had to come out to someone in a really really long time in person because a lot of the people that I meet have seen my YouTube videos right okay so for me it’s a big relief in real life like I still get really really really nervous if I’m with someone who doesn’t know and they start like talking to me about girls or something like that I’m gonna I like freak out because I have an actor I haven’t had to actually like had that awkward moment saying to someone I’m gay actually like you’re like here’s my youtube channel yeah on your phone just watch this I’ll be like like a minute I’ll just hold my phone and you can just watch my coming out video it’s your most popular video speed video well and speaking of that it’s like you know like you said you it’s it’s so helpful for people to be able to see that your YouTube presence in this particular YouTube video you had the the there’s an interesting thing there’s a lot of different dynamics here I mean one of them is that you get to craft your coming-out story and edit it that was weird and and and put it out there having made it is there something that you would change about it you know I’m certain you have an ongoing dialogue with your audience about it but yeah that video that’s the video people go back to to you know to be like oh he’s gay and here’s the here’s this story and it wouldn’t change anything no I’m I’m proud of that video I think that um I think for me there was a lot of time like one of the biggest things before I was before I did it was why am i doing you know like why do I feel the responsibility to tell people about you know who I’m a acted two on the internet like why am i telling strangers this information this is bizarre but then I reminded myself for you know the other things a think about how much you know this helped you when you were fifteen and also you know you want to be able to like have an open dialogue with people so you need it like kind of make this first tough step kind of so yeah I think that I don’t think I’d change anything about that video I think that I emphasized that it wasn’t everything about me and that’s something that I’m kind of also happy that I did is that I built the relationship with my audience prior to to coming out so my relationship with my audience is not based off of me being gay and I didn’t build my audience based off of me being gay you know it’s that I don’t run an LGBT channel you know what I mean I’m an LGBT person who makes YouTube videos they’re people you know that people hopefully enjoy so um yeah and I’m proud of all of that so I think I don’t think I change anything about that video what changed after releasing the video for you I mean did it change the complexion of your channel I mean you just kind of described what you were and what you weren’t how you saw it I did anything change yes something’s changed isn’t now I can do a skit again about my celebrity crush I can do you know I can talk about that in a video we talk about a cute boy in a video and not have to worry about it and I can tweet whatever I want and I just I honestly feel like I’m not hiding anything from the internet which I don’t know if that’s a bad thing or a good thing but um I’m very much you know what you see is what you get kind of thing maybe I’m a bit more chill like we discussed before you know when I’m not on camera but pretty much they get me in a really like deep and honest way they they get me in kind of yeah and I you know watching vloggers and the most successful ones I think there there has to be that connection I mean you you there has to be that authenticity that I’m not I’m not sure I’m editing myself but it’s still me there is that connection you can’t keep back who you are they’ll just in like this innate sense that the audience will see through it yeah you know yo we’re just vlogging to be somebody they’re not isn’t gonna work 100% and I think like I’ve had this conversation with a bunch of people and like those videos grace its grace right when she posts those videos of her like where she’s had like a big night out before and she’s like in bed or whatever and you know that she’s either sick or she’s had a big night out but she’s just kind of like chilled in her bed making a video those are like my favorite videos cuz it just makes her so like real and human if she was like on every single day I would I think that I don’t know I just don’t think her relationship with that audience would be as strong as it is so things like that you know I I’m that’s kind of why I started a second channel I just want to show people a much less like you know edited and produced version of myself even though I do really I really believe that my YouTube personality is just it’s a part of my it’s a part of my personality it doesn’t consume you at all times but I’m not like putting on an act or anything like that I never act for my YouTube videos you know so um I think that’s important as well yeah it’s just it’s like authenticity needs to the authenticity needs to be there because eventually you’re gonna get caught out if it’s not there you know what I mean maybe you could fool people for a little bit I don’t really even think you can fool them for a little bit but eventually people are gonna people are gonna find out what kind of person you really are mm-hmm is one of the things that changed after the video was that your audience wanted to start putting you in a relationships with people like that whole troyler thing right yeah so shipping you and Tyler together you guys are in a relationship now type of thing yeah that I mean that’s a result of ya know so that was changed I didn’t I didn’t think about that but um yeah I had never really been shipped before and like I’d honestly say I think Tyler’s like the most ship ship on on YouTube right now I don’t know it’s just how does it work he could explain it basically I think originally what it was is I admire Tyler Oakley so much as a human and as a creator I think he’s awesome right so and on top of that when I was a young little kid lling watching youtube videos about being gay and stuff like that he was one of the results that came up so I’ve got a relationship with him that goes way back to before we met we met a year ago today actually I was on his birthday so I’ve only really known him for a year in person but um I don’t know I just had a in my head I’ve had a relationship of what I assumed the viewers have with me or you know have with any youtuber it’s like that cyber relationship you feel like you know the person so I’m eventually then when I started kind of making videos and everything and he paid attention to it which was fine this is before I was out and then I came out and then like a week later we collabed for the first time or two weeks later and so it was the very next video I think that it was so and also okay so you come out and then your next video is was with Tyler here’s I don’t top away friend you said that marketing scheme for no it was it just it just really happened that way I was in LA for VidCon I think it was yeah VidCon and um yeah oh just that was the next video that I filmed I wanted to do a collaboration Tyler and I’d kind of become friends over playlist live and again I’d come out to him so we’d become really tight friends and we just thought we’d collab and I don’t know I guess people saw some sort of chemistry or something like that there that they just liked and started to but also I think there’s also that thing of oh he’s gay he’s gay they’re gonna you know I don’t know do whatever well they should you guys should be together cuz you’re both gay it’s like that same thing is like oh my god I I have a gay friend do you know blah blah blah I’m like I don’t know every gay person in the world we’re both gay don’t eat me how do you navigate that because obviously there is like even if you if you search troyler you know on google you’ll you’ll get all these all this conjecture from people about all they are dating and people who would just will not take that and take no for an answer they just assume that that’s the reality you you see you’re obviously saying that that’s you’re not in a relationship you’re just friends and you happen to be gay but surely people’s perception of putting you and shipping you with somebody like Tyler who’s so successful that still got to be a positive thing for your brand right but how do you navigate are you already like oh I have to repeatedly clarify that we’re not in a relationship we just kind of like know I’m gonna let that tension just kind of linger out there know what for me I think it’s such it’s like regardless of brand and stuff like that I think it’s a fun I think shipping is an honestly a really really fun part of the online community and a fun part of being in like a fandom of some sort you know I I ship to members of one direction I’m not gonna say who because I’ll get like stoned to death by the people who don’t ship them but that’s the part that I don’t like is that you know like it gets serious and weird and people take it people get crazy with it you know what I mean but um and there’s definitely been times where there’s been like a strain not on our friendship or anything like that but like just this weird like pressure like I I won’t check my tumblr tag for a few days just because I know that people are going to be I don’t know either making stuff up or you know just kind of talking and it stresses me out sometimes and it stresses Tyler out sometimes but um I think we’re in a really really good place now which is but we are as in honor as our audience are you know what I mean so regardless of how real trailer is it’s fun and we’re all enjoying we’re all enjoying it a hundred percent and I love Tyler I really genuinely do he’s an amazing amazing amazing person and I couldn’t be happier to have him you know be a part of my online existence so yeah we’re just kind of like we’re enjoying it it’s okay so the kind of thing that prevents you from you’re like oh we can’t do another video because of all this you know no but but at the same time like now I’m like I’ll get excited if we’re gonna post video I mean oh my god everyone’s gonna be so excited about this they love they love us together whether whether they think that we’re friends or that we think we’re dating regardless I don’t know something about you and me hanging out really makes makes them happy and they’re enjoying it we’re making good videos together so um yeah we get excited by it you know what I mean I’m I did stuff on the main stage today with him and play this live like I you know we do stuff together because people people like it and we enjoy doing it he’s my best friend so y-you know I wouldn’t I want to hang out with him and do stuff with him on a daily basis right so you’re dating no comment oh I don’t know it’s just it’s like you said it’s probably just better to leave leave alone okay I see how it works okay so I love that you just said no comment I feel like I just got a press no I want but I’ll leave an awkward silence for a second I’m happy to leave an awkward silence let’s do that okay we can also edit it to make it longer hogan is insert the mouth sounds swallow everything okay so if we’re not gonna get that detail out of you we’re gonna how many details can we get out of your your secret project that you’re working on that you mentioned it mmm yeah go I’ll say it’s potentially the biggest thing that I’ve ever done in my whole life like work-wise okay um it’s something that I’ve always always always wanted to do it’s something that I think the very very diehard fans have like a clue of what it’s about at least you’re gonna be on wheel of fortune aren’t you no I wish but um no it’s just something that I’ve I’ve been working really really really hard on for like I guess just under a year now and it’s starting to get to the exciting point but the reason why I don’t want to say anything is just because it’s too far away now and I don’t get people excited yet because I just you know I want to you think that they will get excited now and then not be excited when it happens no not necessarily not be excited but I just think I just think it’s it’s gonna be fun of everyone involved if I’m just like oh by the way I’ve been doing this for a year and you guys are gonna consume it in a month or two months you know what I mean like keep it to where it’s it’s closer to people being able to get it you there’s gonna be a big launch some but you’ve written it maybe it took a while to write maybe yeah and yeah I’m writing it now well you’re not done writing it but you’ve written enough of it to is writ to be excited about it go right it’s written to go ahead and get a night people excited you know this is bigger that you’ve got other people involved can I see your palm like yeah that’s gonna help me go ahead but okay yeah we’ve got the Lifeline here taking a left so it’s not a thing it’s a how how mean am I gonna be when I die it’s an album I can look at you know your your palm and it’s a it’s a blockbuster album what if it’s a film what if it’s a it’s a it’s an album a film in a book together it’s a big topic it’s about set yeah right yeah yeah it’s a it’s a feature-length movie that’s based on a novel that you’ve written and it has a soundtrack for hiring the original songs from you and that is awesome I’m glad we can break that to your audience yeah is this gonna be on your channel or is this gonna be something that’s gonna be out there somewhere else or you don’t know yet probably a bit of both I want I’m excited to be carry on making my videos while this is happening because I think it’s something that not a lot of people have done before so I’m excited to have like a very close relationship with my audience while while this is going on you know whatever it is I’m still racking my brain mm-hmm okay I mean because you’ve got to hold it before you know you’ve got the proven acting chops you’ve got the you know the vocal chops and you’re in a blockbuster you know relationship so you’ve got all you’ve got all these elements you can order the movie I think red Fanny it could be it could be anything I think that’s what it’s exciting about it and I think that okay I think that sometimes I’m not gonna name any names I’m not even thinking of anybody particular but sometimes you you hear about people who’ve kind of come up through YouTube who especially someone who would categorize themselves as a vlogger on YouTube because like I got this big project and it works and you you kind of roll your eyes and turn a link yeah cuz you’re like you’re just a vlogger yeah it’s what I think the interesting thing about you is yes you are a vlogger but you’re a lot more than that and you’re a talented guy who they can actually can sing I assume can write things and create original projects too so I think it’s gonna I’m excited about whatever it is and I think your your audience is obviously gonna be excited about it but I’m also excited about what it what that kind of thing continues to do for the for the community for the community because it’s like there’s real stuff happen in here no 100% there are stuff happening and one of my like I said one of my goals is though this stuff is very um I’m not gonna use the temp be on YouTube because I hate that I think that’s gross but it’s just it’s it’s out of the space I’d say largely so I’m excited to keep up the the YouTube like you know just keep them engaged with with what’s going on that’s why I can’t wait to announce it like okay people just think I mean slack and not uploading videos but um that’s cuz got stuff going on you’re already shooting it shooting yeah it’s a foam right film wouldn’t take a year would it unless I was writing the movie I don’t know maybe I’m writing a movie maybe that’s what I’m up to hmm so it’s not that can we make a cameo is it too late uh yeah I guess you could be involved in some capacity yeah like a rap cameo cuz I own the album part with it will that work orderly no track it does it what do we need to write a recommendation on the back cover I mean yeah you could write a recommendation on a book or a movie though so as long as we get to say our name like Timbaland says his name and when he produces a track no you do like Jason below do it like Jason Derulo I’m gonna do that we got to come on oh yeah yeah I think I’ll just sing Jason Derulo okay I was leaving there rat and Jason – really yeah yeah that’s gonna be a little confusing well this has been fun and insightful we appreciate the time no worries bye-bye is it done is it over yeah Wow cool I mean we we got as much as we could get out of and I didn’t cry so that’s good I thought I thought I was maybe gonna cry because I don’t know we can be intense we can do that post any any time any time anyone asked me about I’m gonna be like guys it is so intense you have no idea how intense that interview it we’re gonna put the the voicecrack filter on your voice in the middle part [Music] there it was our ear biscuit with Troye Sivan I truly enjoyed our conversation with Troy I appreciated him letting us in on his story and I think it would be great if you let Troy know what you thought tell him thanks for being on the show tweet at him twitter.com slash Troye Sivan that’s Troy with an e si VA n Troy Annie at the at the end yeah t ro Y E as I don’t know where else it would go but I’m just letting you know it’s a debt and add hashtag ear biscuits so we can see that conversation to let me know what you thought yeah first time we’ve we’ve resorted to palm reading on an air biscuit which makes me think maybe we should do that every week because you thought it went that well yeah I mean I think we might have a natural talent what are you looking at when you look at a palm how are you reading it well you were the one looking at the palm I know but you I’m just asking I won’t tell you what I do I don’t want to know what you do because if we’re gonna go into business together and open it up a okay palm reading place well I look at the I look at the hand where the palm is I mean that I’ve I’ve never really tried to do it I I think um well I I the thing that I would want to make sure we did was just couch the couch people’s expectations rhettandlink palm readers is very much entertain first actually give the future probably never but but I guarantee you’ll have a good time well and you’ll kind of be holding hands with us but I can I’m really good at that’s worth something manipulating people and making things up about them to make them excited about their future I mean that’s what palm readers do anyway I think the thing that we need to do is the logo I’m concerned about the logo they should definitely have a hand in it though whose palms are gonna be that’s kind of expected isn’t it yeah but what if we read the back of the hand like what do you talk to the hand readers what do you call is there a short name for back of the hand the unpop reader hmm the altar palm right his backhand backhand readers the backhander stacked the I can der snicker they’re gonna think they’re gonna come in and get slapped we can offer that for a fee okay we read the back of your hand and then we backhand you see this is this is our creative process people welcome to it I think it’s a pretty horrible idea you want to know your future well pucker up for this backhand but I do you’re gonna get slapped in the near future I do enjoy speculating about people’s secret projects and that’s kind of become a thing have you noticed that you know what they don’t want to talk about it we need a secret project everything we do is too public everything we do we tell people about it let’s do something secret let’s start it’s a secret society well it can’t be a palm reader business cuz we’ve let that cat out of the bag world can come up with something I mean if we had kept that one to ourselves we could have just said and we also have a secret project that’s how we could have we could have been talking about it like that I think we’ve missed the opportunity I’ve got an idea lesson oh you do I’m not gonna tell them about it though is it secret very secret is it project like well it can be made into a project hmm is it science project do you know I want a couple of those back in the day we’ll talk about that later no all right yeah as you know a chicken farmer I know quite a few actually that’s a key and don’t give them too many hints on our secret chicken farming project no it’s not a chicken farming project thanks for hanging out with us as we hung out with Troy and now as we speculate on what our how secretive our projects should be give us feedback by using hash tag ear biscuits as well on the Twitter and leave us a review on iTunes it makes a difference we don’t 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