Welcome to Ear Biscuits, the podcast where two lifelong friends talk about life for a long time, I’m Link. And I’m Rhett, this week at the round table of dim lighting, we’re gonna be talking about our concert experiences. This is pretty fresh because one of the ways. So fresh man. That I have been sort of experiencing the. I know the pandemic. On lockdown. Is not over but in the way that it has affected us so much and keeping us from our normal social interaction, our normal social social situation, the way I kind of have broken the seal on that is through concerts. Yeah, that’s a, I mean, that’s a big one, when you find yourself in a really large group of people and especially when, okay, now none of them are wearing masks, it’s like all right, this is a big moment. How did it, did you find yourself? What was the first concert? What was the first one you went to? Well, we went to that outdoor concert, the Lord Huron concert. That was last year. That was last year, I think that was the. It was outdoors so I didn’t really register. And there weren’t seats, it was, so you were, you kind of had your own little zone. I mean, went to the John Mayer show at The Forum and then you went the next night, he was there three nights. I went the third night. You went the third night. I don’t know if I went to any, no, I went to the, a dating company show, which was also. Outdoors. Outdoors. So yeah, Britanny took me to one of those. But before that, I think before the John Mayer concert, we went to a Clippers basketball game. I think the Clippers game. You call them basketball game’s a concert now. No, I’m just saying. It’s like a sport concerto. Well, there was a performance of the national Anthem but I’m saying that for me was the first, I’m in an enclosed space with a lot of people and that was basically, that was right after LA lifted the indoor mask mandate and so and pretty much, I would say 95% of people were like thank God, I’m not wearing my mask inside, there were still a few people but most people were like, let’s just get on with this, I was definitely on team let’s just get on with this, I’m not wearing my mask inside this place, I’m happy to be in here with all these, seeing all these smiling faces. I mean, we watched the national championship and I was talking to Christy about it and she was, I was like, look at all those people and nobody’s wearing masks and then they cut to a shot of. Roy Williams. Roy Williams. I was like, damn Roy Williams is the only one wearing a mask in the whole. No, Roy Williams has been wearing that same mask, that very like decorative, it’s like he’s been wearing it the whole time. Well, you know what? Okay, good for him. I was like, eh, good. But yeah, concerts have definitely been a symbolic threshold that I’ve crossed to say, I’m getting back into things, like it’s social on a whole new level and so going back to concerts, I’ve found myself having a new perspective on concert experience, something that I did not appreciate before the pandemic. So it’s, yeah, ’cause you, I mean, I’m so into music but I’ve never really been a concert person. I would, when it comes to listening to music, I don’t like listening to concert albums, I’ve never gotten that. Live albums tend to not do it for me. I like the studio process, I like the refining and the perfectionism, even when it’s like intentionally, even if it recorded live and it’s, that’s kind of the approach that they took in whatever album of it is, okay, this is a band, you can tell that they’re doing this live, it’s still presented, it’s still groomed and manicured. And it’s not that raw. As intended. And there’s people who will say, you don’t really get so and so artists until you see them live and I’ve just never been one of those people, even though we can talk about all the concert experiences we have, I do feel like I’m turning over a new leaf in terms of really appreciating the communal experience of being at a concert, everybody’s there for the same reason or there might be a couple of reasons people are there but they’re all positive, they’re all celebratory. and at at least. Unless somebody lost a bet, there may be some people who are there because they lost a bet. That would suck, I’ve never gone to a concert. In any given concert. As a punishment. There is probably one person there who lost a bet. And there’s definitely people who are like, I’m only here because my friend didn’t wanna come by themselves but I don’t even know who this artist is kind of a thing. but by and large, you’ve got this group of people that are into this artist and with the type of artist that we are both into, it’s a very, it’s not like an angsty experience. No, in fact, I was noticing, so in the course of two weeks, I went to the John Mayer show at The Forum and then The Bahamas show, which it was at a, I can’t remember the theater, it’s a cool theater in downtown but much smaller venue and I was just noticing, this is essentially the same crowd, because. Well, even that shirt you’re wearing, The Bahamas shirt and it’s got that eighties. Yeah, he’s kind of doing the John Mayer SoBro kind of thing, he does, it is much more funk focused but it’s still sort of like middle aged white dude with electric guitar playing and kind of being in the groove sort of music. I would call him music more groovy than funk but. Yeah, so but one of the things that I noticed, because I like to sit down at concerts, let me just and I’ll get into that for a couple of reasons but I was just noticing that even at the most intense moments of a John Mayer concert and the most intense moments of a Bahamas concert, it’s still a bunch of people kind of going like this. Just kinda nodding their head, just a little. Just moving their head. Just a little bop. There might be some person who’s like really, there was a guy right next to us in the balcony at The Bahamas concert, so we got into the balcony so we could sit down at a table, I was literally sitting at a table and I was like, this is how I want all concerts to be, me at a table with my family and a waitress. Oh, you had a waitress. Keep coming up and asking what you wanna eat and drink. I like that speed man, especially for that kind of show where it’s like. We did that at the Kacey Musgraves show too at the Greek, there’s a little section where you can sit at a table and somebody will come and get your food orders. Yeah, you may know the Greek, get me to the Greek, I haven’t seen that movie but it’s a great venue right there in Los Feliz, just a few blocks from where we first lived in LA. Some of my favorite concerts. Outdoor amphitheater, that’s a great spot. It’s a perfect venue. At this point I’m such on this concert wave that I’m like, maybe I’ll just, I’ll buy whatever the season pass to the Greek is, there’s a lot of good people that. I think this is a good idea because I’ve noticed it’s a great night out, it’s, for our family we love to go and I think this is true for you, we love to go as a family because we tend to all like the same music, like Locke went to John Mayer all three nights with different sets of people and last night it happened to be me and Shepherd and then all four of us went to Bahamas. He went to the Dead and Company. Twice, three. At least twice, maybe three times ’cause that was last Halloween. And he, this is what he does, he goes with a different group of friends or a person each time he goes and he is, a lot of times he’s drawing some body in, like these kids, 18 year old kids don’t like John Mayer, you know what I’m saying? Some do but yeah, so he’s bringing his friends to John Mayer and they’re like, I’ve never really even listened to anything that this guy does, this is old man music and then they’re like but hey, it’s pretty good, ’cause when you see somebody in concert and you’re like, well, I didn’t know he could play the guitar like that, that’s pretty impressive and it’s so different. Oh, so you’re doing the thing, once, you gotta see him live to really get it. Well, I think one of the things and we talked about this in a previous episode about the resurgence of the garage band, that’s what we called it. Well, no, we talked about it in a carpool. On the Mythical Society. That’s got to be. A member of the society to hear that. Those conversations. The Car Biscuits. We call it, it’s like a 20 minute version of Ear Biscuits in a car. So our prediction about the resurgence. Every month. The resurgence of garage bands, almost as a rebellion to the idea of someone just kind of standing on a stage with a track going, which it can be incredible and I respect and I am into on some level but I don’t go to those kinds of concerts, I don’t go to hip hop concerts typically and you do. I went to, well, first of all, yeah, we as a family, all five of us, ’cause Lily came home early, came back from college early, she started her spring break a week early. With so many classes still being online, she was able to justify coming home a week earlier and then it just so happened she could come to John Mayer’s show so like as a family, we were all into that, so it is cool for, I agree, for us to go as a family and we had a great time but I went with Lincoln and three of his friends to the Trippie Redd show. Different vibe. Yeah, it was at the YouTube Theater, which is attached to the SoFi Stadium, which is in the same parking lot as The Forum, so it’s like all in the same place so this is a smaller, a medium sized indoor venue and yeah, we were wearing masks at that point and it felt a little weird but that was a, I’d never been to a hip hop show and that was, I mean the opening acts were kind of a joke, just people jumping around and not singing their own lyrics while the backing track kind of and other people on stage kind of helped him out but I mean, Trippie Redd definitely commanded the stage and it was just him. I mean, there was no DJ on stage, there was nothing else, just a bunch of fog and like a constant drone of an 808, that like in between every single song. It just keeps going. It would this, the DJ who was in the wings would just hit this low drone that shook your, all of your organs for, until the next song started and so sometimes he would, Trippie Redd would walk around stage or take his shoes off or he would just be doing nothing on stage and people were going nuts and it was just this, like a OneNote, just a constant, it’s like an earthquake. Yeah, that kinda like. Between every single song. Penetrates your soul. Yeah that, so there was never a point where my ears got a rest and I’m like, should I have brought earplugs? Possibly, they make those ones that you can wear, that you can still talk to people. I have a pair, I’ve never worn them to a concert because the concerts I go to are, they’re not needed. You put them in and. That’s a good, I should have brought those, Christy has some. Christy has the same. Because of her concussion. It brings everything down to an acceptable decibel level but yet you can have a conversation with a person next to you, it’s magic. Here’s the hot tip that, I can’t remember who told us this but if you don’t take anything else from this episode of Ear Biscuits, you can remember this, if you’re in a super loud space, if you’re in front of a speaker at a concert and you wanna talk to the person beside you and they’re yelling at the top of their lungs in your face, getting that spit all over your face and in your ear. Or getting right in your ear and yelling. Getting right in your ear and yelling. That’s what most people do. Which can really damage your hearing even more, all you gotta do, I wish I knew who told us this trick, you just take your finger, don’t put it in your ear, take that little flap on the front side of your ear hole and push that in there and then just lean in and someone and then you can tell the person, hey, talk to me at a normal volume, you don’t have to yell. They have to get close to your ear. You gotta get close to the ear like you’re whispering, just talk in a normal volume and it’s like a miracle. Yeah, it somehow cuts through the frequencies or something, I don’t know how it works but you have to get everyone in your group to agree to this, in fact, I suggest a training session before everybody goes into a concert, it’s like we’re going into a very loud place. Dad mode activated. And this, we’re, this is how we’re all going to, we’re gonna speak to each other as if we’re hearing something in an ear piece. ‘Cause if you don’t tell them and they start yelling in your ear and you cover your ear, it’s like, well, first of all, they do get to hint, that oh, he doesn’t want me to yell his ear but also maybe he doesn’t wanna hear me ’cause he is stopping. We gotta, I gotta preempt. This actually helps me hear you, put this over, put your finger over your ear and speak in a normal voice. There’s a couple of things that I’ve developed that I’ve realized that now that I’m going to concerts as an adult, there’s a few things that have kind of changed and things that I’m embracing in my middle age but we’ll talk about that in a second. And some things, I wanna go back and talk about, I’ve written down some concert memories and a lot of them we were both there for, so I’ll see if you can remember some of these things. There are some pivotal experiences that we had at concerts and it sounds like we’re about to be concert daddies. Emphasis on the daddy. Hey, you just see us at the Greek, we’ll be there with our finger and. Or just the dad, whoa, whoa, whoa, watch. Where you going? Hey, just. Why are you lowering your seat man. So that I can do it like this with no, ’cause it’s just, I can do it with my. No hands with it. That’s right. Okay, that’s enough hydraulic cheer. But speaking of concerts, we went to a Brooks and Dunn concert back in the day and. I’m gonna tell that story but yeah, Brooks and Dunn is. That was making the segue into this, that’s what I was doing. Oh and this, you’re talking about this album that we recorded? Yeah, yet another reason to be a member, a third degree member of the Mythical Society, every year for the past few years, part of our quarterly collectibles, one of them has been a vinyl, an exclusive vinyl and we love to just adopt or find some music that we love and then do our spin on it, this is Brooks and Dunn in the year 3000. You heard that right. We took two, our favorite Brooks and Dunn song, Neon Moon and then everyone’s most popular Brooks and Dunn song, Boot Scootin’ Boogie and we created them as if they were being made for the first time in the year 3000. You have the first time. Well, I mean. It’s like a, if we covered them in the year 3000. Covered them in the year 3000 or there was just another group that was inspired by them, I mean, I don’t know, we haven’t really established the backstory but the music is supposed to sound like it was in the year 3000 but it, they are authentic covers of these two songs. This is a fun project. You gotta join Third Degree of the Mythical Society to get this exclusive collectible, join Third Degree monthly by the end of April, 2022, that’s this month, in order to get this thing, Neon Moon, Boot Scootin’ Boogie in the future. That’s how we do it, you gotta be facing backwards on the back. Pretty, pretty excited about that, very excited about it, it’s a collectible item. So one of the things that has changed for me, I was never a buy the t-shirt guy but I have become a buy the t-shirt guy. And wear it, look at you, you’re wearing. And I’m wearing it as a visual aid, this is the, obviously The Bahamas concert one. What did you realize, ’cause I’ve had some thoughts about this too. Well, two things. What happened? Two things, kids, so kids happened a while back but you wanna, you’re the dad and you wanna get your kids something to remember the concert by and this is gonna sound weird to you but one of the things that has actually changed for me is the way that I am viewing t-shirts in general on two levels, stay with me here, one is, very recently but also very rapidly, my relationship with t-shirt fit has changed and it’s really just a response to the changing styles, meaning that if you go back like eight, nine years and you look at Good Mythical Morning and you look at some of the stuff we shot, our t-shirts were so freaking tight, I mean, you had some that was so tight they looked like they were painted on and I was right behind you, not quite as tight but we were wearing some tight t-shirts. It made me feel secure. I was wearing a medium as, a short sleeve medium and you were wearing. A short sleeved small. I guess I was wearing small. Yes and then we transitioned to, you were wearing a medium and I was wearing a large, like if we were wearing our own merch, I was wearing a large and then in the past few months, I’ve just like quickly gone back to an XL, which is, it’s really a response to the styles changing, so the effect that that had on me being able to buy a t-shirt at a venue is like, I can just pick the XL and it’s gonna be a little bit bigger but when you’re wearing a shirt that has to fits tightly. There’s forgiveness, yeah, there’s no forgiveness. The fit has to work really well and it has long enough for me but I’m just like, I’m gonna get the XL, so I just walk up and I pick the design I want and I’m just say XL and I just walk out with it. So you always wanted to get a shirt but you never felt eligible. I don’t like t-shirts, I don’t like going to a site on the internet and picking t-shirts that have designs that I like, it’s, I don’t know why, it’s kind of stressful and I just, I don’t wear that kind of t-shirt very often but I like buying t-shirts that are connected to things that have happened, so like if Locke and I are on a road trip and we stop at a restaurant and they have a t-shirt, I’m gonna get that t-shirt ’cause it’s like a memory from that place and obviously concerts are the perfect opportunity for this. It’s a good souvenir. So I’ve changed my whole relationship with them, so now if we go to a concert, even if I’m just going to a concert with Jessie, I’m probably gonna get a t-shirt, XL, the one in the corner, XL. And if you see somebody on the street who went to the show and they see your shirt, they pretty much know that you were at the show because they’ll sell, they don’t usually sell that merch online, you can only get it at the show, so it’s this insider type thing that I’ve also got. You gotta have the tour exclusive stuff. Yeah, I’m feeling that. So that’s a big change in my life, is A, buying t-shirts with stuff on them, I mean, I’m embracing that and B, buying concert t-shirts. The thing about buying tickets is that they’re still really expensive, I mean, especially if you’re taking your whole family, that’s the thing that I’m still getting over and then realizing where, like there’s all the, getting used to the mad rush of getting a good ticket when they first are released, making sure you can master the art of securing a ticket in the right spot, ’cause I like more of a balcony where I can, well, I’ve never been down on the floor, I don’t think I’m ready for that. Now, I know for you and your tallness and stuff, there’s but for me, I’m just, I like to have the option to sit down and I don’t wanna be forced to stand the whole time, I mean, if it’s a smaller venue and there’s like, there’s no seats down there in the pit, it’s like that makes me, I don’t know, that’s a bit, that’s a lot to be down there in that, I’m not to that point yet. I’m more of a lay back and enjoy. I think I would be okay with standing but from a very, I’m saying all of my adult life and definitely since high school, every, any type of crowd, it doesn’t matter what’s happening but concerts apply, they fall under the umbrella of a crowd and people watching something, being six, seven, every single decision that you make about placement and posture is filtered through being that big of a person and now being that big of a person with this much hair as well. Oh wow, they can’t even look over your shoulder. So I am so conscious about this and it actually can ruin an experience for me if I get a bad seat and I’m in a place where every, oh, everybody’s standing up now and I’ve gotta stand up. So what happened, obviously what I’m saying is that if I stand up, whoever’s behind me and usually two rows behind me and like three people wide, they can’t see anything and I don’t like being that guy, so at The Bahamas, at the John Mayer concert, at The Forum, of course, there’s the standing room down on the floor and then there’s. Actually they were seats. But they all stood up the whole time. But they all stood up the whole time, yeah. But then there’s the balcony and we were on the second row, I wanted to get first row but we got, it was a last minute decision so we got second row and I was like, dang it. ‘Cause if you got first of row, you could stay seated. Stay seated the whole time. The whole time. Nobody in front of you. Regardless of what happens. So we get there and then John comes out, immediately, two girls in front of us stand up and so I hear the woman behind me, he was very vocal, said a lot of funny things about John Mayer and how sexy he was and what was happening to her body every time he picked up a new guitar. Oh really? Yeah, she would be like, F John Mayer, F me, can you F me, yeah, stuff like, not asking him to do that, just like, she’s like oh, John Mayer, you are so sexy. She was saying that stuff? And she was with a dude, like her husband, I mean. Just verbally processing her sexual frustration. She’s like oh no, now you’ve got the green guitar, oh, F John Mayer, she was really into John Mayer, When he picked up that JoBro like thing, that was, she lost it. She lost it. Oh, you’re so sexy John Mayer. Her water broke. Well, some things happened so but she says, this is the first thing I heard out of her mouth the whole night, she says, oh no, we’re not standing up, that’s what, as soon as these girls, ’cause this is a bunch of middle aged people and there’s some, like not 20 year old girls stand up, oh no, we’re not standing, oh, not standing up. Give me a break, how can you be that into somebody but then not wanna stand up for them? Well, because the reverberation of the stand, I was on team not, I wasn’t gonna stand up, I didn’t stand up, so, okay, I was that guy but I made my son do it. We definitely stood up. Well, here’s what I said. We were a little further back than you. Nope, they were the only people that stood up and then there was a resistance to sitting up, to standing up and then I leaned over to Locke and I said, Locke, tap on that girl’s shoulder and ask her if she can sit down, yeah, I was like, I’m just gonna try it, I’m like. You’re gonna get him to try it. I’m gonna get him to try it, because a 18 year old kid asking is different than a dad asking and so, and he was fine with it because he was feeling the vibes and what people were saying behind us and he taps on her shoulder, she turns around and I see, I guess, I couldn’t hear what he said but she looks at him and shakes her head and just keeps standing up and I said, what did she say? She said, no, I was like, okay, all right. I’m on team keep standing. So let me tell you what I did the whole concert. That’s tough though, it is tough. They stayed standing, I stayed seated the entire concert until the last song. Yeah, ’cause you’re different. Because I was like and so I kind of like. You’re so much taller. Shepherd got a little bit shafted because he was more blocked by them and so Shepherd would, Shepherd and Locke would stand up quite a bit, they stood up the whole time and then Shepherd and Locke would stand up when everybody else stood up and I would never stand up, because I’m almost standing up anyway when I’m seated and then I would kind of lean around these girls and kind of, I could see half of the band, one whole half of the stage, didn’t see it the whole night until the end and then I could see the screens, the screens are great in The Forum. Well, I guess. But I can’t do it. Maybe I’ll backtrack a little bit. ‘Cause I don’t wanna do what that girl was doing to me. To fifteen people behind me. ‘Cause here’s the thing. They bought a premium seat for sitting down. Switch seats with me for God’s sake, I’ll sit on the front row and sit down, It’s no different to you. Yeah, I don’t know why, I mean, I know why they were standing, because they’re really into it and that’s how they get into it. It’s like saying, I guess in their minds it’s like going to a party and saying, hey, don’t dance at this party or don’t listen to this music or don’t have a good time. If you’re going to a John Mayer concert and you and wanna stand, get stand, get the floor seats, that’s all I’m saying, get the floor seats. I mean, they’re expensive but I think that if getting this seat that needs to be a, is for people who wanna sit, I think that’s the complicating factor here. I’m sensitive to the fact that people want to stand up and enjoy a concert and kind of dance and whatever but my guess and my choices as a six, seven person become the back row of the top, which I’m not gonna do ’cause I’m not gonna sit there or the back row of the bottom and it’s like that’s. Did Jessie stand up? Because she’s short or. She wasn’t at John Mayer, it was just me and the boys. But did Shepherd stand up so that he could see? Yeah. And Locke stood up. But he was still blocked a little bit but. And then the woman, the vocal woman behind you, did she stand up? Very reluctantly, a couple of times she’d be like, oh no, we’re standing up, that’s what she would say, the same woman that was just losing her, at John Mayer’s sexiness. That doesn’t add up to me. I was like, ah. Unless there’s some sort of condition or reason that she can’t stay standing. No, I think it’s just because it’s just like, hey, I’m enjoying this and I’m here and I’m in the moment, I don’t have to stand up to. I used to be that way and now I’m like, you know what? Stand up, get your body moving, really engage in it, I was dancing, man, I was moving all over the place. Oh, I know your type, I, there’s like, I’d see like one out of. I was loving it. One out of like 40 people at a concert is your type, it’s like that guy is either on drugs or just a certain type of personality. I wasn’t moving like I was in another drug universe Or something. No, the guy next to me. At The Bahamas concert. I’ve seen that. Who literally, he and his partner. Another dimension. They had a table with the waitress and everything, I was like, there’s no need to stand up brother but he was just, I mean, he was like, it was like, you might, you feel like you might get hit by him if you were close to him, I was glad that I was two seats away from him. It was like he was trying to shed his own skin like a snake. Yeah and I was just like, man, you’re also with me here and it’s, you’re making it a lot about you and I’m trying to focus on this and it’s like, somebody is like directing traffic in an alternate universe right next to me. Well, I mean Dead and Company, you see it all, I mean, there are, it’s multi-generational, which is interesting, so is John Mayer, multi-generational but it’s also multi like substance, man it’s crazy. Those people have a great excuse. Yeah but I just don’t, I mean, it is fun to give yourself over to dancing but you are an exception, because you know that you’re inconveniencing people, you’re blocking so many people, so you have to get that front row seat man. If I go to a concert and everyone is standing or if I’m in a lawn situation. Do you hunch? No, where people are standing, I just stand up and I’m like, some people are gonna deal with this and it will be fine. It’s not your fault, people know it’s not your fault you’re that tall but I did see on the Reddit forums, ’cause I was looking at what people were saying about the John Mayer show afterward, the most hardcore fans are the ones that are, they give them the hardest time about picking apart the set list and this night was better than that night and all that stuff but then people were also posting, this was my view and it was just a tall person in front of them, so it’s like, very well could have been you if you stood so you did the right thing staying seated, you took one for the team, those girls in front of you didn’t do that. I don’t, yeah, I can’t come down on one side or another. I feel like. I think it’s their right. To stand but not yours. Every time I’m in a space like that, I feel like there’s gotta be a different way to design spaces. I mean, what if you just stood up but, in a lot of the photos that we take together, you’ll stand up and then you’ll just spread your feet apart. Yeah but that’s problematic too, ’cause you got people in and you’re, it’s very small area. Even if it’s your family, so your family is basically standing in front of your thighs as you’re spreading for two hours. Yeah, I can’t do a air chair for that long. Not a air, a spread is different than an air chair. I mean but if I’m standing up, I am moving, I don’t, I’m not like my, there’s like if I was inside of a cylinder, I don’t know how big that cylinder would be, there’s movement that happens within that cylinder but my hands and stuff don’t escape. Oh my hand, yeah. From the cylinder and stuff. When it comes to dancing, yeah, I agree with this cylinder. It’s kinda like you, like the beam me up pod on Star Trek, you gotta stay within that thing. You stay inside that. That’s your space. Yeah, I mean this whole, I mean, I don’t even wanna get into the. I keep my fists up by my collarbones. Into the mosh pit thing. I keep my pit, mY fist by my pits, one of these things. I’ve seen that move. ‘Cause it’s like and it’s more in the torso. But you wouldn’t be into a mosh situation, like that, the whole, the swing. I’m too old for that man. But at no point in my life, at no point in my life, was I ever into the idea of getting the arm in the face, like an, I don’t understand the appeal. Well, I’ll tell my experience with that, so this was senior year in high school, had to be, so Kurt Cobain had passed away and then Dave Grohl started the Foo Fighters and then they released their album, so this was probably, I guess this was like 96 and maybe 97 and they had a show at the, I think it was The Ritz in Raleigh and the, let’s see, I wasn’t dating, yeah, it was pretty in senior year because I wasn’t dating my girlfriend, who was my girlfriend for senior year and freshman year of college but this, the other girl that I, another girl that I would take home from school, I took Candace home from school and she was a sophomore, she was the same age as the girl that I was interested in and who would later become my girlfriend and then so I and so I was talking to her about the show and the Foo Fighters have a show and she was like, I wanna go and I was like, okay, let’s go to this show and we were just friends. I don’t know if she was interested in me but she also knew that I was interested in her friend and then whenever we decided to go, which is a strange thing, looking back on it, like the two of us were gonna go to this show but very early on, I was like, I wanna invite so and so and maybe we had started dating or maybe we were about to start dating but this was very early on and so it was like, then this, it was basically Candace’s idea to go to this show but then it was my idea to bring, I’ll just say she was my girlfriend, I can’t remember the. Can’t remember her name. I can’t, it was, I can’t remember the chronology of it but it was basically first, second or third date. I was like, oh, I wanna bring her, so it was the three of us who went and it was, even though it was Candace’s idea, she became the third wheel and we go to this show and we go so early and there’s no seats in this place, it’s one of those like black box theaters and you cram in, literally everybody crammed in, I don’t remember there being an opening act but it was, I mean, this is like on the, Dave Grohl, Foo Fighters on the heels of, Nirvana’s no more, this is all we’ve got, this is the new version of Nirvana and so we will show up and people just started packing in, packing in, packing in, and we were about four people back from the front of the stage and. Just general admission. Yeah and we waited there for probably an hour and a half, waiting for the show to start and more people kept showing up and they kept packing us forward and it was like, we started getting smushed, smushed, smushed, smushed and it started getting hot. I hate this feeling. And it was the type of thing where it was so tight that you couldn’t, you were shoulder to shoulder, chest to back everywhere and they started, the security guards, after an hour of this, they started handing out water bottles. Sometimes they would just fling the water on everybody, it was like, it felt postapocalyptic and then they would hand water bottles and people would be guzzling water bottles, just like, just dying of thirst and you would just hand it around, I was drinking water out of water bottles after somebody else drank half the bottle. Just to survive. I didn’t even know who they were, for me to do that you know we were desperate. But it was the nineties, it was before germs. And then they, Foo Fighters came out and they started playing and then there was another press forward from like way in the back, everybody wanted to get to the front but there was no way to do that and we were smushed so close, it was, you couldn’t breathe and then I looked over there and Candace, just all of a sudden I was looking at her and all of a sudden, boop, she dropped, she was gone. That, this is such dangerous man. And since we were so close to the front, we and some other people waved, said, hey, we need some help and we picked her up and she wasn’t unconscious but she was very woozy and not with it and we put her over the barricade and gave her to a security guy who then took her away and. There she goes. There she goes. There goes the third wheel. I’m like, well, no more. Hope she gets home. No more third wheel, I’m just here and I was like, I mean, that was so, I’m so embarrassed that we did not follow her. What are the ethical? It was just like she was gone before we knew it. If a third wheel of a date drops and is being taken care of by professionals. She’s being taken care of by professionals. Can you just move on? I mean, I don’t know if you should feel bad. Was I supposed to jump over the barricade? If this person is a designated third wheel and the third wheel, by definition, if you’re riding a bicycle and the third wheel falls off, you can keep riding, that’s why they’re called. The third wheel. Tricycle to a bicycle. It’s unnecessary, you know what I’m saying? It’s not that I was thinking that. If you feel the third wheel is taken care of, you can keep riding. I mean I did. And you did, you shouldn’t feel bad about it. I’m sorry Candace, I’m sorry for what we did but I didn’t mind being pressed against my new girlfriend. That was nice. That was nice, It’s just like, okay, it’s like we’re kind of skipping the holding hands thing entirely ’cause I’m, every part of my body is pressed up against the back of your body. Well, you had to make a choice though, because if you’re side by side, you’re both pressing against strangers. So you must be behind her. Oh, I got behind her. What, did you get in front of her? No, because once I got behind her, there was no getting in front, once you were in a spot. Oh yeah, you were locked in. You were locked in and yeah, so I was kind of protecting her from the crush. I just think it happened so quickly, I wasn’t making, my brain wasn’t fully formed. Yeah, until 26. And I was dehydrated and I’m not proud of it. She ended up being okay. But how long, how much later did you convene? I believe it was after this show, so that the entire show, she was kind of. Where was she? She was, she recovered and then she was kind of in the back, we didn’t have cell phones. That’s why they could just throw water all over the crowd, no phones to worry about. I mean, my girlfriend was her friend, so it was just as much on her, we were just bewildered, didn’t know what to do. I hate that I’ve. It was scary. I’ve never been, the closest I’ve ever been to that circumstance was actually when state beat Florida state and we all rushed the field, Chuck Amato was like first year and everybody was getting up on the goalpost to bring it down and I was in this crowd and I was like and first of all, as a tall guy, you actually have an advantage here, you don’t feel like you’re, you can see over everybody’s head but even then, I was like, I just feel like I could fall and get trampled and then the goal post, whoever was on the goal post, the lots of people, it comes down and this is back when they didn’t make the breakaway goal posts, this is before they started making the ones that they just collapsed at the end of the games or whatever or you can’t bring them down, this giant goal post comes down and literally is coming down, I’ve moved my, I’m locked into position but I move my head out of the way and it bounces off my chest and it falls on the ground. What, that’s crazy. And it was like and then we just saw, then I just pick it up and we start carrying it to Hillsborough street but I felt so. I wasn’t there for that. Vulnerable in that and so I’ve never, if I sense that happening in a, I don’t, the thing is I don’t go to the types of shows where that is a phenomenon ’cause I’m a middle aged dad so and Locke goes to hiphop shows but he just goes with his friends and I’m like, you just, you can do that. At Trippie Redd, there was an open mosh pit area and people were trying to mosh but they weren’t good enough at it and there wasn’t quite enough people to form a tight enough space to then create these mosh pockets and in the Foo Fighters, it was so tight that people were trying to mosh but it wouldn’t happen, there was some crowd surfing and then at the very end, they went into this whole 10 minute feedback driven, start to destroy their equipment thing, which was pretty amazing to be a part of. Years and a couple of years later, I saw 311 at the same place, it wasn’t quite as crazy. We actually saw No Doubt there too. I was there for the No Doubt show. We saw the No Doubt show. In the back. That was Tragic Kingdom album, their first album and they were huge. Still playing in clubs basically. Don’t Speak, all that, all of those, Spiderwebs, all, that was a fun show but I guess, yeah, when my girlfriend, we left, we made it out, Candace was okay, hopefully she didn’t tell her parents about how much of an a-hole I was but the companion story to that is the concert at Campbell University, Campbell University would have these Christian bands come into Dietrich auditorium and we would just show up and go to some of these shows and a little bit later as Wax Paper Dogz, we would perform at one of the. Festivals. One of the Christian music festivals that was smaller time but I remember there was a group of people up there watching, I think it was Third Day. Yeah, Third Day came to Campbell. And I don’t know, I was in the back and I was chewing gum and my girlfriend was there and she was somewhere but we weren’t together at this point and I was kind of in the back, maybe you were there, do you remember this concert, Third Day? I was at the Third Day concert. We were there, we were probably hanging out in the back where you could be in a seat, you could sit down, you weren’t up front where there was a lot of people pressing together and I just, I don’t know why I did this again, I guess I wasn’t tall. I didn’t realize that this was the Third Day concert where you did this. I was done with my gum and instead of putting it behind my ear, swallowing it or you know what, putting it in a receptacle. Or just continuing to chew it. Or just chewing it. Until a later point. Until you see a trashcan. I took it outta my mouth and I had the gum in my hand and then I just, I don’t know. I didn’t really think about things, I don’t think that I had a, there was no, it wasn’t an active decision besides just being an asshole I guess and I took the gum and I just threw it towards the front, into the crowd. I threw it into the crowd, I don’t know, again, it’s like, I have no defense for this, I was, I don’t know, it was just like a teenager, that’s as bad as I got, like ooh, I’m so bad, look at me, I’m throwing my gum and a bunch of Christians and I’m also a Christian, so hey, we’re in this together and then a few minutes later or a while later, I did find my girlfriend and we were hanging out and she was, she said, you wouldn’t believe what happened, somebody threw gum in my hair. Outta all the people up there at the crowd, I threw the gum on my own girlfriend’s hair and I did not tell her that I did. You never told her? I’m pretty sure I didn’t, man. You never, at any point in your relationship told her. This is one of those stories that I’ve. I told this story. You’ve told story somewhere. Eight years ago, six years ago and I wonder if at that point I remembered more and I did tell her but my recollection is that I never told her that I threw that gum in her hair, because if I’m an asshole enough to throw gum, I’m also an enough to not own up to it when it lands in my girlfriend’s hair. Did you, was it currently in her hair or was she like, I got it out, I’ve been, that’s what I’ve been doing for the past 20 minutes. You know what? I don’t remember, I don’t remember that part. I found some peanut butter at the convenience stand. It might, I’d like to think that it wasn’t in so deeply that. It didn’t work. It wasn’t like it was a toddler’s hair. It was like, oh, what was that? It was like, oh gosh and then. Yeah and she pulled it outta the five strands of hair on the surface of her head. Whose gum is this? So now, I apologize to her too, I don’t know, it’s like, so concerts brought out the worst in me. The thing is, is that by telling her, it probably would’ve made her feel better in one sense, because this is like when you’re gross out by somebody’s gum and their saliva, it could be, oh, that’s my boyfriend saliva, I’m gonna get some of that later. But why did you do that? That’s not a big deal. Who am I dating? I definitely had to have a sense that this could make or break a relationship, like talk about showing your true colors. ‘Cause then you had to explain yourself. And there’s no explanation. So, that makes me think about the, we definitely went through, just because of the culture that we were in, we went to christian music concerts and christian music, sort of festivals and stuff. Now we always had this, we set in judgment over Christian music even when we were in a Christian band. ‘Cause we had taste. Yeah, we thought that. By and large, it was not, it was like two bit ripoffs. It was ripoffs of a lot of things. Of whatever was popular, with cringey Jesus lyrics. I remember, so once we started the Wax Paper Dogz and we started getting a, we were heavily influenced by 311 once we started trying to write our own music, we were bleaching our hair, we were wearing the big jeans. The most worthy of influences. And writing, I was writing rifs on the guitar that I thought were approximations of 311, they were very distant approximations of 311 but we were having a hell of a time, I mean, we were really and so we would go to these places and we went to one place not to play but as fans, ’cause Tooth and Nail Records was a thing, remember that? Tooth and Nail Records may still be a thing but that was a. They had like alternative bands. MxPx. That were pretty, they were more legitimate. MxPx was a punk band that was kind of like. Are they Christian are they not? Well, NOFX was a very well known punk band that then, okay, so then it’s okay, let’s do our Christian version of that, MxPx instead of NOFX. But also, we also had a little bit of. You had a lip ring. A judgemental eye towards Tooth and Nail bands because the way that we would do our music is, it was pretty explicit, I mean, musically, it was all over the place, lyrically, it was also all over the place but it was pretty explicitly christian and then we would do invitations at our concerts just to, I know we talked about this before but just to remind you, that’s when at the end of your concert, you start getting very serious and the music gets very serious and then Link in this case, who was the lead singer, would begin to and just, you know this man and just think about giving 17 year old Link Neal, the one that was throwing gum in his girlfriend’s hair, the responsibility of speaking off the cuff about Jesus and God and the plan of salvation and then offering an opportunity for people to make a decision for Christ in the moment, I so wish we had videotape of this but that’s how we did our concerts. So I don’t know why we looked down our nose at MxPx, because they were legitimately talented. We looked down our nose at them, not musically, we looked down our nose at them a little bit in or maybe side eye to be like, are these guys legit Christians or are they just kind of like. California Christians. Yeah, I mean, how Christian are these guys? So what do you remember about the show? I remember going to the MxPx show and there was other bands that were playing, surprisingly, not a lot of people there and then I just remember going to the bathroom. Yeah, that’s what I remember. And the lead singer was pissing at a urinal. And so were we. And so we did too. Do you remember saying something to him while he was pissing? ‘Cause I don’t think I would’ve done that, I’ve had people do that to me many times but. I probably did, yeah, I was like, I don’t know what I said. Hey man, love your music. Something nice. How’s your wiener? Something. Shaking it. An insincere compliment. That’s all I remember about that, the Tooth and Nail of it all, I do remember going to Carolyns for the christian music day and Audio Adrenaline was headlining that festival and I remember being really into the music that day, ’cause you’re kinda in this youth group setting, but boy. Yeah, they were good, it was pouring down rain. No but I have but it was covered, the venue at Carolyns was largely covered so we got under that partly. I remember already being soaked. But don’t you remember that song, Big Big House? Yeah, with lots and lots of room, a big, big table with lots of food, a big, big yard where we can play football, a big, big house, it’s my father’s house. This a song about heaven that seems like it’s for preschoolers. But here’s the thing, I feel like I can stand up for them a little bit because if you go back and listen to this song, it is like the cheesiest song you can imagine and you can’t imagine any teenagers ever being into it, however, so much of nineties music was like that, even the non-Christian stuff. I mean, musically, they had chops as far as I remember. The lyrics in nineties music with the very few exceptions was just so, like just, I wrote this on the back of a napkin three seconds ago. But we didn’t listen to christian music, we listened to secular music, we listened to 311, we tried to, we’re gonna emulate them but we’re gonna do this legitimately in a Christian band circle but I remember going to freshman year in college, Incubus came, they were releasing their second album and I had discovered them the year before and we started emulating them in the band. And this was kind of weird because we were sort of peaking in our Christian, not peaking but we were getting to a very high level of sincere Christian commitment, in that every area of our lives was affected by our sort of commitment to Jesus. Oh yeah, so but I was a huge fan of Incubus, I knew that the. Which literally means the demon that comes and screws you when you’re sleeping. Yeah but the, I knew that the man, this picture of the guy from the seventies on the cover of their albums was the lead singer, Brandon’s dad, I had done my internet research, that’s the only reason I used the internet, was to look at band’s websites, I was like, man. Band’s dads. They’re coming to Mission Valley, really small venue and then I went there, we watched the show, this, Brandon still had dreads at the time, you went to the show with me but then I was like, I’m gonna hang out, I wanna meet him, I wanna talk to him and so I waited a while. I remember this. I waited for a long time and then, actually, maybe I went early ’cause I remember it being daylight, it had to have been daylight, it had to have been early, so I go early and I’m hanging around and then I see him walking around and he’s, there’s a laundromat on the other side of the venue and he’s going to do his laundry from the tour bus and I meet Brandon and I start talking to him and I talk to him for a long time and my goal was to talk about Jesus with him. I wanted to save the lead singer of incubus’ soul, because I was such a huge fan, how wholesome is that? Does that make up for me being an asshole? Actually, that is sort of very assholish in on itself. Yeah, in a way it is but I cared about him so much and I liked him so much but I wanted to, I knew that the only way I could connect with him is if he thought I was cool, so I didn’t ever really talk about Jesus. I got this friend, man, he’s got long hair and a beard. I asked him about his spiritual beliefs and he was very nice. He’s kind of a hippy. And he talked to me for, it could have been an hour, man. I remember you telling me about this conversation ’cause I was not present for, I went to the concert but I didn’t go to the conversation. It was awkward, man, it was awkward. It probably would’ve been shorter if I’d have been there, hey, we got somewhere to be. I think I got his email address. You still got the lead singer of Incubus’ email address? Yeah, maybe. You should use it. I mean, I need to dig up my Hotmail account. Are they still an active band? Yeah, I mean they got much bigger after that with their third or fourth album. Well, speaking of band’s dads, just a little sidebar here, Post Malone’s dad tweeted, he was like, here’s a little something to brighten your day and it was our GMM episode. Oh really? Yeah, so he’s like. That’s hilarious. I just love the fact that his. His dad tweets. Yeah, he doesn’t have that many followers but he’s very proud of his boy and. I gotta look at that. But I was thinking about going even, well, the first concert I remember is with, my dad taking me to Beach Boys at Walnut Creek, so Walnut Creek ended up being kind of, I think it kinda changed our lives in a lot of ways, ’cause they built Walnut Creek. New venue, outdoor amphitheater on the edge of Raleigh. And now all these big bands had an excuse to come to Raleigh in a way that maybe they weren’t coming before, I don’t know, maybe they were just going to Dorton Arena in Fayetteville, there wasn’t a place for people to play music that I remember. Unless it was like Carter Finley stadium, like huge but yeah, Dorton Arena back in the seventies and it’s in Raleigh had like Led Zeppelin. You know who else has played Dorton Arena? We have. Rhett and Link. And Merle Haggard who we saw there twice. The Beach Boys were playing and of course. You were young. I was in seventh or eighth grade and went with my dad and John Stamos was the drummer, I don’t know if you remember. Don’t know Jesse. I don’t know how long he did that gig but he would drum for the beach boys, it was kinda like John Mayer playing, being the lead of Dead and Co but not really anything close to that but so. Did, you thought it was awesome though. I thought, of course. This is Kokomo days. ‘Cause Full House was still happening. No, it wasn’t. In seven, in 19, okay, when did it, Full House had just gone off the air in 1991, 1990. I don’t know, maybe you’re right. 1990, I don’t know, man, it might. Did they play Kokomo? Of course they did. That was, I mean that was a big thing. I just remember, so the cool thing about Walnut Creek is the lawn, I never, I actually don’t remember ever sitting in the seats, it was always the lawn seats, lawn. ‘Cause you could get a ticket for like 30 dollars. Yeah and my dad and I are in the lawn and there are these two increasingly drunk, middle aged ladies next to us and then I don’t remember exactly how it happened but my dad and I just end up slow dancing with both of them. What, are you serious? Yeah not, just sort of just like having a good time and not for that many songs but it just was something that just happened and it was, they were. Did you and you never spoke of it again, kinda a thing. It was just like, hey, we’re just kinda. Did Diane hear about this? Of course she did, it wasn’t like, so it wasn’t a scandalous thing, it was just a kind of a fun thing. It was kind of like the community square dance where everybody can dance together and you’re gonna go back, you’re gonna ride your own saddle back home kind of thing. And it didn’t get, it never turned sexual even on any level, it was just very much just like, this is a bit crazy. But I know how you thought as a seventh and eighth grader. Well, what do you mean? Yeah but I wasn’t thinking about middle aged ladies at that point. You weren’t? I’m talking, these ladies were in their fifties. Oh, okay, alright, I remember the. There’s nothing wrong with that now, I’m 44 but I’m just saying when I was 13. The first concert I remember going to was, my mom took me and you to see. MC Hammer. MC Hammer. At the Dean Smith center, yeah, man and that was huge, I was such a, I mean, this is like, can’t touch this, so he’s such a huge moment in pop music. And you know, I was huge MC Hammer fan, you were, you liked him but I had completely drunk the Kool-Aid. Something about yeah, ’cause. I didn’t understand how much of a, how not good his music was compared to all the rest of the hip hop that was being made. Oh yeah, because we were. I was just a little Southern white boy that didn’t really understand it. Yeah, we were 13 years old and it, I mean, everybody loved MC Hammer, he was a pop icon, he wasn’t a hip hop icon. Yeah, it was a different thing. And it, the hiphop community was going, was coming after him. They were rapping about him and making fun of him and I was like, why are they after MC Hammer? Well just another point of reference to kind of bring this into complete clarity, Vanilla Ice was touring with him, so, I mean, there weren’t many hip hop artists who were gonna let Vanilla Ice open for them. And En Vogue. Vanilla Ice did not show up that night, we found out when we got there and I was so upset. Well, I think we were more excited about Vanilla Ice, to be honest with you, at that time. I mean, just think about that, it’s En Vogue, Vanilla Ice and MC hammer. It’s a big night and my mom. And your mom was there, Sue was there. My mom and my mom was into it, she was loving it. But Vanilla Ice didn’t show up but En Vogue really brought it. What a man, what a man, what a mighty good man. I remember feeling things. I don’t remember a lot about the show but it was huge, it was like a big stage production, it was like the biggest thing I’ve ever seen. Many years later, you and I went and saw the Stone Temple Pilots at the Dean Smith Center as sophomores in college and that was a, that show, I remember that show sounding really good. Yeah, that music sounded great in that venue. For it to be four guys just playing, I mean they were, it was really impressive. And not just that, four guys and one of them is just singing, I mean, the. One guitarist. The guitarist in that band doing a show like that, yeah, it’s crazy impressive. The guitarist and bassist were brothers, the DeLeo brothers or something, so they were, yeah, they brought it, man, I was, that’s the first time I went to a show and I was paying attention to the sound, this actually sounded good and I remember our friend Josh wanted to go but for some reason we didn’t invite him, I don’t know, sorry Josh, still a little bit of an. Was it the Brooks and Dunn concert at Walnut Creek? So, we saw a number of acts at Walnut Creek, including Van Halen, which we weren’t even fans of, just because. That wasn’t our idea, we saw George Strait there and we all got in the, Joey Smith drove his dad’s suburban and it was like nine of us in the suburban and we were in the very back and we were going to George Strait, so we were cowboyed up, we might have been wearing cowboy hats, definitely cowboy shirts and we were doing dip in the back. In the back of a suburban, not a great idea. And I got so sick. You gotta wait till you get to the concert to dip but was that the, which concert was it that somebody had tequila? That was it, it was Brooks and Dunn, so there was this huge tailgating thing happening in the parking lot and I, we were just 16, 17 years old and I’d never, we’d never been to parties where people are drinking liquor and just raising hell and it’s like, so we’re walking around and I’m talking to people, I’m like, these rednecks at their tailgate turning up tequila bottles and I’m like, what’s up guys, Brooks and Dunn, woo. It’s like, this is my, I’m like, woo, you would think that I was drunk when I hadn’t had a drink and then once you start being friendly with these people, they’re like, hey man, you want some, you want a shot of tequila? And I’m like, oh, you called my bluff, I’m like, nah and then I don’t remember how it happened but it was like but I’ll eat the worm, I think that was my response, it was like. I’ll eat a worm though. I’m not gonna. I’m not approved. You’re calling my bluff, I’m not actually going to drink but I will eat the worm ’cause and he was like, all right and he got the. Get that boy the worm. He got the worm out of the bottom of the tequila bottle and I ate it. Wasn’t the first time you’ve eaten the worms anus. Yeah, it was the second and it definitely wouldn’t be the last, who knew that I’d make an entire career out of it? You didn’t eat the worm. No, I actually don’t believe that I was present for that moment because I remember hearing about it and feeling uneasy about it, ’cause that was in that moment where our friends were beginning to kind of party and we were still a member of the group and kinda like what you’re saying, we never had prudish personalities, like if you talked to us and you hung out with us, you wouldn’t be like, these guys are super straight edge. I had a raise hell personality. It’s only when you put us against the wall. But a fundamentalist mentality. Once, in terms of what we actually did and didn’t do. A conservative, christian mentality. And so when I heard that you drank, when you ate the tequila worm, I was, there was a part of me that was like, is that drinking? I mean there is some tequila in that. It was definitely this vibe of, what is Link gonna do if I’m not around? Yeah, I feel like I gotta be there to keep him from falling. But I just think the worm. And always starts. With a tequila, with a worm, the first step is the worm. Not typically, it did not taste good, I mean, it probably tasted better than if it wasn’t soaked in tequila for a few months or however long that happens. I think we saw Travis Tritt there at Walnut Creek. I went to Travis Tritt with my dad, actually. I have seen Travis Tritt in concert, I mean, I have to assume that it was Walnut Creek. It was pretty good I remember, I remember we went into the Brooks and Dunn show and that’s where I bought the license plate that I put on the front of my truck and I bought it as a joke, I just wanna go on record and say, buying a license plate that says Brooks and Dunn was a joke, it was irony and put it on the front of my truck but it was also like, I don’t know, not. Not at the same time, that we lived like that in a lot of ways. And they had a karaoke booth out there where all the tents were, where you could get your food and your merch and stuff, they had a karaoke booth and I went up there and I, we both, didn’t you sing too? I sang Big City by Merle Haggard and I remember people would, people stopped and started watching me sing it because, oh, here’s this 16 year old singing Merle Haggard, I like this guy and it really fed into this redneck mentality. I just don’t have a, I don’t remember. It was fun to be a part of and I was a huge Brooks and Dunn fan, which is why we covered them. The most memorable concert experience though, I think has to be sort of the Merle, the string of Merle Haggard experiences, starting at 16 when we’d go down to see him. At the Alabama Theater in Myrtle Beach. In Myrtle Beach and then. I had to miss a soccer game. Is that, that’s the night when we followed the tour bus. Yeah, I was a starter on the soccer team and we drove my Nissan pickup, probably with the Brooks and Dunn license plate on the front, all the way down there to Myrtle beach to watch the show and then we were just gonna drive back, I think ’cause I don’t think we got a hotel room. No, of course not but he was driving south after the show and we, these stories, kind of the string of Merle Haggard’s stories are all told in detail in the Book of Mythicality, in one of the chapters talking about being a fan, because it kind of came full circle that we followed him as a kid, we saw him multiple times including at Dorton Arena and then. Always the youngest guys in the crowd. It was these two teenage dudes who were not with their dads. Three decades. There were some kids who were there with grandparents or whatever, dads but not us, we were just there completely sincerely into this thing and then of course, as an adult, having the opportunity to meet him backstage in that weird, I’m not gonna tell the whole story but we’ve told the story in detail on Good Mythical Morning and in the Book of Mythicality but then finally. Meeting him at a point where we could see him. Getting on the tour bus with him and going to the back of the tour bus and having him kind of sit there with a towel around his neck, clearly a 70 something year old man exhausted from playing another night and these two super fans coming back there and just not knowing what to say and being that moment where you’re just like, we followed you, we followed, when we were kids, we followed you across the state line and it’s just so cool to get to meet you and you’ve been so, you just don’t know what to say to somebody who’s been that influential and he was just kinda like, you could kind of see it on his eyes, he’s like, I’ve heard this a million times, all right, you got something for me to sign? Yeah, I’ll sign this, I’ll sign your albums. We got the albums hanging up in our office right there that he signed, he misspelled your name but then he corrected it. He corrected it. That was good, so I mean. It’s easy to do. I’m glad that we’re back on the concert train and it’s about creating an experience, bringing people with you and then having an experience with all the other people that you don’t know, it’s not but I think, it’s also not all fun and games when you got people not wanting to sit down and people not wanting to stand up, it ain’t easy, there’s lots of things that could happen. And I always forget about. Lots of worms to be eaten. I always forget about that element of preparing yourself for this night and then you’re like, oh, well, ’cause the worst is when you’re next to somebody who’s just super drunk, super drunk and super loud. Spilling beer on you. And then you’re just like, oh man, I can’t, I’m not gonna be able to enjoy this, it’s like going to a movie theater and it’s, in a movie theater, if somebody’s being loud next to you, you can just tell them to shut up, in a concert, I’m not gonna be the person that, you don’t, I’m not gonna start a concert fight. That’s why you invite more people and then you sit in the middle of all of them, that’s how you do it. It might be a good idea to get that. The Greek. I don’t know about getting a season pass as much as I’m just thinking, between the Hollywood Bowl and the Greek theater, all the venues downtown where the smaller bands come, basically. That’s the great thing about being in LA, you know everybody’s gonna come through. Every weekend, almost every night of the year, you could probably go and see somebody that you have some level of familiarity with. Yeah, including Paul McCartney, he’s coming to SoFi, I should and we should go see him. I mean but the reason why I brought that up is ’cause that’s my, I’m gonna give my rec, I gotta stay in the music zone. Another music documentary I watched on a plane coming back home, McCartney 3, 2, 1 is a mini series, three episodes on Hulu, it’s just Rick Rubin and Paul McCartney at Rick Rubin’s, I think he’s at Rick Rubin’s studio but they’re in a couple, it’s very intimate, the cameras are really far back and zoomed in and they’re just having this very off the cuff conversation, Rick has his, if you don’t know who Rick Rubin is that’s, I’d love to meet Rick Rubin, I think I gotta put him on the list, that would be freaking awesome to meet him, legendary producer. He has his mixing tables, soundboard, whatever you call it out there and then he’s playing Beatles tracks and some Wings tracks and just getting and then Paul is just talking about and they’re adjusting the levels and talking about it and so to illustrate a point, they isolate the vocals, so he had the stems for all of these Beatles and Wings songs and it’s like, they’re not too long and it’s, I mean, it’s the opposite of the Get Back thing if that’s inacessible to you but you’re a, more of a casual Beatles fan, Paul talks about how he teaches people to play the piano in one of them, so each one is kind of themed in a different way and it’s just, it’s very loose and. He teaches people who are gonna be playing with him. No, like if he was teaching a kid how to play piano, like a beginner. Yeah, I was like, I mean, my kids can play piano but I still thought about sending it to Lily who, when we were talking about garage bands, she’s in a band, she just went back to school and I was like, you getting together with your band, you guys are playing? It’s like, do you guys wanna play in places? And she’s like, no, it’s just for the fun of it, we might be putting together a cover set list and maybe something will happen but it’s like, it makes me so happy that she’s in a band but 3, 2, 1, McCartney on Hulu, well, it’s called McCartney 3, 2, 1, check it out. And we will speak with you next week, I’ll be telling you all about my recent road trip from Maine to Miami. For real man, I’ve been waiting to hear about it, you can’t tell me yet, so next week. Ear Biscuits. Hashtag Ear Biscuits. To watch more Ear Biscuits, click on the playlist on the right. To watch the previous episode of Ear Biscuits, click on the playlist to the left. 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