[Music] welcome to ear biscuits I’m Linc and I’m Rhett it’s time for another conversation with somebody interesting from the internet and this week that person who will be sitting down at the round table of dim lighting is Justine ezarik better known as iJustine who I think is one of the first ever major female internet celebrities period right internets celebrities in general I mean this girl as far back as we can remember we were starting out on the internet back in oh six we knew about her right from the very beginning oh yeah she was she was in the middle of it now I I don’t know if the lifecasting came first or if I think we met her after lifecasting but I definitely knew about it when it was happening when she was broadcasting every moment of her life not just waking moment every single moment sleeping or waking 24/7 for six months straight on justin.tv right I mean that was an amazing thing that we talked to her about and of course she also made a lot of youtube videos many of which got traction early on in the age of YouTube publishing a vlog about her iPhone bill that was 300 pages long it came in a box yeah this is a true story right after iPhone the iPhone came out and it was they were printing these huge bills and she just made all these calls that was her first real viral video and you know she’s built this huge audience on YouTube she’s got a number of channels collectively about three million subscribers but you know I follow her on Instagram and Twitter and I am constantly just seeing she’s somewhere else in the world and sometimes I’m just what cut my TV on and she’s on the TV hosting something she’s you know she’s on a red carpet somewhere she’s hosting something for call of duty she’s on she’s making an appearance on Law & Order or something like that so yeah you know you she’s everywhere or on her YouTube channel vlogging from Iceland most recently she was a she made a cameo in our I’m at expert rap music video she also made a cameo way back in the day one of our early music videos I think it was Oh 8 the dead iPod song she basically is the the she opens that whole video up that’s right clap I think our very first collaboration was with Justine and the first time we ever collaborated before anybody called it a collaboration we just said we’re just gonna work with you on this you don’t think the word collaboration was used everybody talks about oh who you collabing with now I mean we didn’t they didn’t talk about collapse we were just like yeah you want to be in our video we’ll give use you’ll get views it’ll be great we actually released the video on her channel in our channel on the same day trying to figure out what was the best way to go about this thing but I mean when she was on the text bird thing to Tex Bert’s shoot it was basically the next day or two she was she was off to Iceland in writing so to your point she’s always somewhere we talked to her about that just about what her life is like now I mean not only being she’s not a life caster anymore but so much of her life is still online in terms of all the contents she’s creating all over the place all over the world right so we go back to the beginning what it’s like to be raised as a literal Coal Miner’s Daughter in Pennsylvania what it was like to do that live casting life casting for six months we get into talking about some old boyfriends and some current boyfriend’s boyfriend singular she says she has one boyfriend now and Ryan’s also an online personality so that I mean there’s there’s an issue a fascinating dynamic there where they draw the line between their their personal relationship and their their public personas and just her public and private persona between Justin and iJustine and we talk about what it’s like to still be in this YouTube game after eight years on the platform so here it is our ear biscuit with Justine [Music] really because you hit reward this is video answered there was that pregnant pause so I guess let’s get right to it so you’re pregnant let’s get right to it no I’m not actually I I’m sure that every type of rumor goes around Twitter base about you like have you had a actually I’m just assuming has there been a pregnancy rumor yes because that’s like the height of celebrity right usually there was and was my own fault because I was taking a picture looking down really sad at my phone because it was broken but I had my leg up and so it looked like it was a part of my shirt so everyone’s like oh my god she’s definitely pregnant what was it like what was a part of your shirt um with foam I know my pants because I was like kneeling and I was I was just being really sad about my phone and and it just looked like I was pregnant and I wasn’t I’m not did you feel the need to clarify or did oh yeah even my sister’s like oh my god I can’t believe you posted that you look pregnant I was like I didn’t know I just was really sad my phone wasn’t working were you holding a pregnancy test unless there’s an app for that but it probably is oh don’t pee on your iPhone you done that mm-hmm how else do you clean it I don’t know but the people the Apple stores they know because they have taken them apart and found little poo traces and when you try to tell them no I didn’t drop it in the toilet they know because they can see the poo yeah toilet I have not but well interestingly though you recently dropped the phone into like a Blue Lagoon in Iceland I did do that and then a week later I shattered the phone that I had just bought in the subway in New York so it was really fun how did that happen I had a suitcase and we were doing the scene where I was walking down to the subway and I didn’t realize that my phone was on top of the suitcase and I also had nothing in the suitcase so I was being an idiot and was like look how light my suitcase is it was a prop he basically yeah so but the phone was not the prop it was on there and it went flying like 20 feet and just flew down and just shattered how many phones have you been through a lot just get I mean give me a ballpark I don’t I don’t know I mean I can’t count because I think it’s an uncountable number now I mean I’ve had I’ve definitely had one of each phone that has come out and then a couple of each so so so there’s always there’s with each model I can that would be ten well it’s definitely more than that really I’ve definitely yeah I’ve had some problems and you kill all of them you don’t know until recently I done really well until this one this is stupid gold phone man but when you were an I I want to go back to Iceland because I really enjoyed those videos I mean made me want to go you sure really want to go to I’m not going to let spin still it goes with me you should have put that in your contract but hey you know I don’t negotiate for you screen no that was actually real but it was kind of crazy cuz me my sister went and saw the movie and when we left that theater I was like we have to go to Iceland we have to and then it just randomly happened whenever the DVD release was out Fox and emailed means like hey we need somebody to go to Iceland for a movie and I wrote back like all capital letters I didn’t know this dude I was like is it The Secret Life of Walter Mitty call me in how’d you tweet it or in it made anything public that you were a fan of the movie I did but I don’t think they even found it from there which is weird so I don’t know but you were in this huge I mean we’re like in the snowy terrain with this if the hot spring I mean when I think about hot springs I think about something as big as this dimly lit table like a hot tub I don’t think about a a large pond or a small lake but that’s what you were in right yeah it was like this massive pond and everyone’s day me yeah it was so hot it’s like from like the lava rocks and everything there is all geothermal so right they they don’t pay for heats because it’s all just natural but it’s so hot in there it’s it’s actually blue like is really blue but it’s all like minerals so as soon as I dropped my phone in which I had a lifeproof case on so I don’t know what happened I think it might have been actually too hot the minerals ate through the case or the case does New York immediately recover the phone or did it go – I you had to search for it for a while no I had I didn’t drop it and I mean I just I was just using it I’m gestured it into the water waterproof no you’d think it would be why is there some sort of guarantee nope and they wouldn’t tweet me back so I just unfollowed him on Twitter oh okay so that’s how you you went for it you you you actually made it public you were like hey I was here with your case and it’s it won’t survive a Blue Lagoon it won’t but it did survive a shark dive so I’ll give him that was the bottom of the lagoon like I don’t know you couldn’t see it I think you all just sucks you were treading water no you can stand up good things I can’t swim what did it feel like it felt like rocks time out you can swim not really I couldn’t I’m done gargling paddle you guys can’t see it well I’m teaching my five-year-old son how to completely swim this summer so if you want to come along for lessons I’m really I’m really good okay this is really this is working out really well I feel like this would be a great series suggesting learns to swim at age five well okay then you’re not gonna say your age but let’s wait until the second half of the podcast to talk about everything associated with your age but I think the the Iceland Greenland Iceland what is Iceland which is greener than ice Greenland yes but we don’t go there yes it represents the justing us the iJustine stereotype in my mind that she’s always somewhere it is true yeah and we’ve tried just not show so many times yeah I mean this is like I think the fifth or sixth time I know but I think it’s just indicative of your life because most most of the time if not every single time that we’ve had you booked for the show you’ve been asked to then go do something that really you know this ear biscuits come and go right we do it every week but you had an opportunity that you had to say yes to so it seems like you’re just kind of constantly off in a way yeah it’s limited dream well it is but it’s really hard to plan anything and it’s like I mean I feel like I have no friends here anymore because that no one even asks me to hang out anymore because they’re like she’s not here anyway and then I’m like well quantify how much are you gone I mean I was gone from was nine weeks and that I was here for like a week a few days in between but then I had shoots every day so I couldn’t do anything else so it’s like even like doing YouTube videos I have to like schedule a day that I can actually film something for myself but thankfully like traveling it’s always good content it’s fun so I can still like post that kind of stuff right so I mean if it’s not Iceland it could be Greenland or it’s Hawaii or I think oh ye is like always your vacation go to it’s a nice little easy trip from from over here but what’s the is this the status of your professional life that it’s invitation and invitation and there’s other things going on too but I’m curious if you’re gone that much it’s there’s kind of an approach to life to make that happen cuz people approach such late notice right they do so I mean that’s the thing is I try not to plan things far in advance and if it is that far in advance I mean it has to be like okay look even my family vacation I have to now go halfway through the vacation because I have something else that came up that’s like oh my god I can’t not do this and inside it’s like my family’s like what we want to hang out with you’re like yeah mom but I have to do this like I can’t not I cord it’s like Call of Duty is gonna be the x-games it’s the first time the Call of Duty is gonna be on TV as like an actual sport so like well it’s an export well you know like so it’s an official Call of Duty is an official x game X Kate well at least in this this this round in Austin we’re just kind of cool because it’s like my favorite game so it’s gonna be on ESPN as a sport so it’s really fun and you’ll be there in a in a host capacity yeah because you’ve been there for like the past how many launches of the they had like a it’s like different tournaments and it’s crazy like these kids are playing call of duty as a profession like we’re making YouTube videos that’s a profession like they’re playing call of duty and it’s it’s really cool cuz that’s an actual sport now so of you you’re obviously obviously saying yes to a lot of things which means you’re also saying no to a lot of things but I mean what is what is that like being constantly asked to go do something as opposed to maybe you know rewind five years where you’re just making content yeah you know you’re like thinking about your own content and now you’re being tapped to go do all these different things like yeah I mean it’s definitely fun but it’s like I really miss doing like this kind of stuff and just hanging out and like making YouTube videos but I feel like making YouTube videos now isn’t what it used to be necessarily yeah I mean YouTube has changed so much and and it’s really hard to make that consistent content and and it’s it’s so hard because you could never make everyone happy which is so hard for me because I’m like man little Gianni 55 didn’t like this video but he really liked the last one I’m like sorry Johnny what is it more specifically that you’re saying oh they didn’t like this or there’s complaints or I mean I think it’s with anything what’s the state of YouTube and your YouTube account at this point I think the good thing is I’ve never committed to doing one of one thing so no one really ever knows what to expect so even when they say man we really missed your older videos I’m like well I’m still kind of doing the same thing which is really just a bunch of random stuff so I think the hard part though is is trying to find the time to edit I mean traveling and editing on the plane it’s like okay I know my battery will last for three hours or an hour and a half if I’m actually encoding and rendering so I think that’s that’s the hard thing now you and I know a lot of people have editors but for me like my content is so personal to me and to my audience that like no one can ever just edit it just right how I would even though it’s not like these intense crazy edits it’s like I want it to be like I want it to be like I did it have you had editors work for you and and you said you know what this is just not working because of that lack of the personal connection I mean I’ve had some people edits and things in my car did you do this and then I’m like well here why don’t you do this or this or this and then I’m at that point I why don’t I just do it myself and it’s already done I mean what’s interesting is my sister Jenna she’s actually becoming quite the little editor and she gets my sense of humor so you’re gonna hire her you know feed her and like buy her video games you’ll enslave her okay well did you work in the coal mines no I didn’t and that would sound like there’s people thinking whoa that sounds I don’t know what what the coal miner version of the stereotype is but when you’re in Pittsburgh your dad’s a coal miner he’s retired that’s a founded the question is founded in reality yes it’s not like an insult like his dad was a coal miner like it’s just that’s what you did you’re literally a Coal Miner’s Daughter yeah that’s did you grow up so you weren’t in the coal mine as a ten year old know which red is saying would be legal but wasn’t the type of thing that what did your dad do specifically you say he’s retired now did he come home with like soot all over his face I think they showered before they came home but yeah like he would walk the mines and then I’m not actually sure what he really did but he worked like seven days a week which when we were younger that’s every day yeah of the week and we didn’t really realize that that’s not really that like normal like most people don’t really work seven days a week and my mom’s a gym teacher so she worked you know five days a week and then would have summers off it was like up my dad works Midnight’s tonight so the famous thing I think there’s actually a game called that it was like I was like she don’t wake daddy like that was not a game it’s like someone board game yeah it’s like a board game so that was like basically our child was like Shh quiet but you had to roll out his appendix without making the buzzer sound because that wake him up that’s operation yeah something like that so he worked nights seven nights a week he would switch off like back and forth so sometimes he would work at night or he would recurring the day so I can’t even imagine having that type of schedule it’s crazy so did you you never saw him I guess we did randomly yeah but it would be but he was always sleeping a lot was retired now yeah yes so you still found time how he’s still like coached all of our softball games and was okay so he was he’s very present yes he was pride is really tired was it did he have like a pick are you thinking like minecraft now I don’t think you like really like went down and like was it’s more so he’s like a supervisor he was like a point more of a pointer or a picker I don’t know but I don’t think there was any pics involved Oh heavy machinery probably a lot of walking in them I don’t know this is not some really great question you never got to take a tour no but I did go in some mine but that wasn’t actually the one that you actually go in it was like some tourist mine it had like lights and it looked on nice and fancy and they would give you some cool candy when you walked out was your dad there I think just like some tourists you know your dad need to reconnect Father’s Day is coming up maybe you don’t need to skip out on this family vacation I was a lot of coal mining to discuss we do this is great I’m gonna start taking some notes and your family vacation is in North Carolina right that’s where you go every year go to the Outer Banks share place and then you go to the Harris Teeter and you make a music video I sold never boasted the one from last year oh really yeah sure probably that did that it’s sitting in a folder on my desktop and I look at it every day every day for a year pretty once and your mom was a gym teacher you say yeah she still is and sometimes all good Instagram comments or YouTube they’re like hey your mom’s my gym teacher like hey how’s it going so does she wear like softball pants what kind of gym tees are we talking about what kind of pants is your mom okay she’s very specific about her pants she loves like the swishy pants and they have to be have like an elastic band and they have to have pockets trust me we’ve shopped and it’s very hard to find those for most pants like warm-up pants and jacket are they tapered on the bottom mm no just like nice and like a lot flared but enough that like you can wear your are they rip away no that could be but it’s not a professional basketball player or a stripper well I had I mean I had a pair rip away pants just cuz I mean I odd putting out while I was playing basketball this is post basketball I had some too I mean those are things are great now that the ripping away is exciting there was a ping the buttoning back up it’s like well how did I rip these away yeah it’s like got to rebuild pants now yeah you gotta count cost yeah you gotta count the cost of something like so what grades does she teach Jim to pick 7th and 8th oh wow middle school gym does she like what did they do dodgeball now or though no they still do yeah you can still do that in Pennsylvania she did they had a she taught them to do juggling which was I don’t remember I was probably I was pretty young Alfredo sixth seventh eighth grade but then I learned to juggle so I can still to this day juggle which is very exciting it’s a nice little parlor trick pull that when you’re in the parlor so you did a little bit of jug on me that wasn’t your thing no I loved taking stuff apart like that was like I would take apart VCRs and that was really really well I love like technology and I can never put it back together so my dad would end up having to like fix what everything because that sounded I say really because that sounds like a convenient iJustine back story okay any further do you guys remember when I had you on my podcast actually no you don’t oh you got a refresh my memory my gosh okay I think it’s actually still online somewhere we’re just kind of embarrassing cuz I don’t know remotely yeah yeah had it been oh it was so long ago um I think it was called mommy packed my lunch here yeah that was your blog was named that alright and then that was like me and me and my friend Desiree we made we did a podcast and I remember having you guys on it what year do you think this was 2007 or seven I’ve I was still in Pittsburgh and had no idea that I was ever gonna leave so this I think was early it was revered days oh definitely revered days oh six okay $20.00 I’m so pissed so we need to explain revver is a was an early competitor to YouTube I don’t even think we’re even a competitor well it did the same thing except you got you supposedly you got paid four views back before YouTube Partner Program before they would pay you four views so there was a I remember we made a conscious choice to put our videos on revver and we didn’t really worry about YouTube because they had a there was a revenue model there that we could potentially make some money and I think that that’s how we met each other right was we were both being featured on revver and son I think somehow the we like emailed or something I can’t remember the specifics but there was an email exchange which evidently led to I guess being guest on your podcast is Ellie I don’t recall because I actually don’t remember but I know I was like Tess you’re never gonna believe this podcast she definitely supported all of these random endeavors but was just like okay like she was crazy like me but then she yeah I remember I remember her and I remember so you guys were friends and what that was like high school it was in college and college yeah okay and then you were doing a you guys were doing a myspace thing too right oh yeah oh my gosh I completely forgot about cuz I think it I remember like if he went to your MySpace page I think it was like Justine and Desiree right you guys were like almost like a duo mm-hmm that’s how you were presenting yourself on on MySpace yeah I think well I mean I had like my own myspace and then we had like doesn’t Justine and then our I don’t know weren’t even came from it was like mommy packed my lunch that was like our like website together cuz I don’t even know why we liked sandwiches and paper bags and we liked lunch so and mommy’s yeah so I’m not sure where that came from but yeah you guys were on it we’re gonna have to look that up okay okay so you were fixing VCRs you’re you were you were being the second part breaking them actually you were being geeky not because it would be a great back story later but because you were actually interested I mean as a as a young girl yeah I just I just really didn’t really know what else to do and I was bored and there was really nothing else to do cuz I grew up in the middle of nowhere I mean honestly like Kyle’s outside the past jerilyn okay I don’t really like going outside how far outside of Pittsburgh are we talking about was like in about an hour outside of Pittsburgh yeah but um yeah cows and stuff and VCRs and I will never forget though like my sister got a guinea pig and that was like the star of all of the videos that I would make this poor little thing and same with squeaky it ended up dying to this squeak it did you would lift it up and you just like shake it a little bit and he would he would talk like a Furby you know I know yeah yeah he was he’s really cute and he like a perishable Furby and he ended up dying cuz he had a tennis ball size tumor on the side of his little butt Guinea tumors are the worst when he was so cute but he was in many movies but I filmed on a massive VCR like camcorder oh wow so you were still using that I mean this was I was probably sixth grade okay and usually oldest child mm-hmm so does that mean that you were kind of I’m in charge here I’m like because you had two younger sisters yeah I think I was uh mm-hmm I would make them do whatever I wanted and I would beat them up until they became bigger and stronger than me and then they beat me up and then I stopped but you made the decision to include the guinea pig as the star not your little sisters they were kind of young men but I mean the guinea pig was just there and it just was a better actress and you didn’t turn the camera on yourself because no one did that no I did some it was too heavy to hold it that’s internet on yourself right I think it would tripod but I think he’s just like set it on the table yeah people do stupid things but yeah it’s like I’ve been doing that forever so you can just change your parents still have drawers of these guinea pig videos and your earliest deviations do yeah there’s some where those have to be found but you have not found or digitized any of this some good stuff okay you should also do that while talking to your dad about coal mining dad that’s your project I’ll do that in family vacation so when you were making the guinea pig videos did you think this is what I want to do when I grow up type thing or is it just a kid having fun you got a camera and you’ve got a guinea pig you know let the fun ensue yeah I think I was just having fun and a lot of this too even how I started doing this is I can’t remember anything like I have the worst memory ever so I started filming like vlogs and just videos before they’re even called vlogs just because like oh this is a fun thing I’d like to remember it and like it what what point are we talking about are we talking in college you started filming forward so I think that would be but even in high school I mean I was taking photos I had like a daily random photo site so I would just post a photo every day this was still HTML like I was Co the forward in the back page and creating each separate thing so there was nothing at that time that you could even do that with so I just did it myself and it was kind of a it was a personal project website or were there like your friends were looking at this I mean like my friends were looking at it so I get like 100 views or something wrong from like around and somehow it was found on the internet but it was just more for fun so that I would remember things that we would do so what what else did you do like what was the high school Justine like she was really cool she was had like so many friends did she have lots of boyfriends how did that work were you like I always have a boyfriend or I have one boyfriend for a really long time I did have one for a very long time was his name Josh Josh what’s Josh doing now he’s actually he’s now married um I haven’t talked to him in a while but he’s a great guy very very nice high school boyfriend long-term friend how long did you date Josh oh man this was jeez I don’t know I don’t remember it was a while and then we broke up and then we started dating again and then Oh see you broke up broke is on again off again or a big breakup and then most through most of most of high school and then I think oh did you go to did you go to college together no no he was actually two or three years older than me oh wow yeah you know older guy I think it was my because I went to one prom and then my actual junior prom is when I went to a LAN party with Josh no he wasn’t there he was off in college that he was off in college being you know like an older man so what you wanted to go to a LAN party or you didn’t want to go to the prom with anybody but Josh I didn’t like dances or any of that stuff so I mean I went to the one prom with him just cuz I was like all right well I guess their girlfriends dance here but it was fun but I definitely had more fun to LAN party playing video games and drinking Mountain Dew okay has you do it Alan what does that mean you had a lot of guy friends too I think I’m not really sure if I actually had any friends I don’t really remember I mean I think I had friends but it was just it’s not like you keep in touch with these people for Josh but I do still randomly talk to people on Facebook and stuff like that but yeah let’s keep talking about Josh yes like a muffin Lissa let’s call him right now I probably would so you broke up yeah you broke up he was so you he was like what’s he in college somewhere and you were in high school and you guys are still dating looks like number we have nothing you want to call him right now number I just wanted to see if it actually turned to iMessage or not and it did I mean I mean he’s got a wife it’s not really appropriate it would stir up you know what first of all I’m gonna go and tell you right now his wife already knows about you and in it is like yeah my husband used to date that girl that’s everywhere on the Internet they probably might have a great marriage but I’m just saying I’m telling you not from experience but just maybe from stories that I’ve heard the craziest thing that was like seeing your a source of strife in their marriage like seeing his his brothers kids like that we used to babysit and they were like just very small children and now they’re like graduating the high school that I went to and I’m like oh my gosh this is crazy like this is insane they’re your fans I haven’t talked to them since they were like – I know I’m just I I’m not intentionally making this weird I’m just very much fascinated about this Josh character because I mean you dated him for your whole high school and then into your college and then oh that must have been a big break so there is you know his college yeah there was a there was a big breakup and but then you got back together why’d you do that just really really nice I just think I’m just so indecisive but that’s really the problem I think in most of my relationships it’s like I don’t really know what I want I don’t really know what I’m doing but whatever I’m doing I don’t think this is it I mean this is maybe a little out of order here but not out of line just out of chronological order you’re in a relationship now that’s been going for a couple years we’re actually trying to figure that out this morning to be honest with you trying to figure out how long you been dating within two years well I mean I have notes here you know I can tell you that you’ve been dating Ryan Wyatt VP of programming at major league gaming used to be a head of live in eSports and machinima he’d been dating him since 2012 we do research I don’t know the date she was like before a Call of Duty came out remember work I need to do my owners so did Josh introduce you to Ryan Oh actually Ryan at UH we did a Call of Duty show he was my coach for my team I played against Michelle Rodriguez and my team won really yeah although I went around and found the best Call of Duty players I knew to be on my team so obviously we were gonna win and then you get you started dating we dead over two years ago yeah I guess that’s what it looks like I should probably let him know that’s not indecisive I mean this is a this is a relatively long-term relationship you know relationships lasted for a while and it’s like I’m on say like everything’s going great and it’s so weird because we actually don’t really ever fight like we get along great do you ever see each other that’s yeah but you’re I mean but you have been gone for nine weeks and he’s you know I follow him on Instagram he’s always he’s always got one of those headsets on and he saw he’s always announcing something something that’s true yeah he’s like a he’s like a sports anchor sportscaster for call duty yeah so I mean it’s cool cuz we get to go to a lot of the same events and stuff together so that’s always really fun too cuz I mean we travel a lot but yet a lot of the stuff that we’re traveling for we’re doing the same thing so it’s really fun is he doing is it like color or commentary it like when you’re watching sports and you’re listening on the radio and there’s a guy telling you everything that’s happening is he doing that on the video going much it’s like play-by-play and a lot of it too is if people are listening that you’re still able to know exactly what’s happening and for people that are new that are better never but watch the game it’s it’s interesting because for college you need something that you can it’s easily understandable especially if they’re kind of explaining it well so it is really it’s it’s kind of cool does he ever do that when you’re playing call of duty personally like just the two of them yeah making fun of me because I’m not like I’m not terrible but I’m not as good as like these pros so he’s like making fun of me basically for two years it’s not it’s not that serious I mean we still live together I’ve never lived with a guy before but you but you seem you said hey it’s going well but who knows that’s what you said well well let me ask this so you’re you’re both online personalities in different ways with obviously there’s overlap that you’re talking about but I mean that’s something that you kind of have to navigate publicly there’s not how much of it is public how much of his private your relationship how do you navigate that yeah I mean I think that’s that’s always been something that’s been kind of hard for me cuz even I was dating someone before and we dated for a long time and there was not a single photo of us online but he was a popular youtuber he was not not this one oh I thought that’s how you’re going to move on but you made a point you guys made a point to go oh yeah our relationship is gonna be totally private yeah and I’m a Christian I just wanted to try to respect his privacy sure sure I mean I don’t think he cares if I talk about it but it’s just one of those things it’s like what is the but he wasn’t a public figure no but he just it was like I don’t really want to be in like this and I don’t want to just be associated with that it was totally fine which was a hard because I would go on vacations with him and everyone’s like yeah she’s she’s just traveling by herself or they would see me hanging out with girls like she’s definitely a lesbian because she’s always with these girls and like I’ve had a boyfriend for three years but he doesn’t really and he’s not owning these videos so I’m sorry and you were fine with that it was yeah I didn’t care but it made it difficult it sounds like it was difficult because I would sometimes what I like even take a picture post it like there’s and there’s nothing even on Facebook at all but like nowadays yeah I mean it’s like my facebook is it’s not private but it’s still pretty personal I post family pictures and stuff like that well I mean my impression and following you guys both online is that you’re definitely not making any effort to hide anything but you are it seems like there’s a calculated effort to kind of minimize the amount of your relationship that’s out there it’s like every you know you might look at your Instagram for a couple of weeks and you don’t see any pictures of Ryan or vice versa but then every once in a while you’ll you’ll be a picture of you and he’ll I can’t wait to see this girl yeah that’s always traveling yeah no I know and but it’s funny to be even in like he’ll be in my vlogs because it’s like sort of like your daily life so it’s funny because when people won’t see him for a week because I’ll be traveling too like it’s Ryan okay where’s Ryan and then they start tweeting him like no it’s okay I’m just out of town like everything’s fine don’t worry but that’s what they want to do they want you know you give people an inch of personal information they want to take a mile I mean listen to me giving you a hard time on this bike I know it is and it’s it is like watching a reality show but yet I think a lot of people I mean you guys obviously get it like it is real like this is a lot of the stuff that you’re seeing is is very real I mean obviously you edit things out but it is hard like finding that fine line because I don’t want it to be over the top but I don’t want people to just comment also have a personal life – when you’ve you’ve made the choice to not suddenly have like a you know justine and ryan channel or something like that right now I mean there’s a lot of people who do that yeah I’ve actually seen a couple of those and then they what do you do with it after right yeah exactly I don’t know it’s it is very you want me answer the question what you do with it after yeah delete it well I’ve already I’ve already got my solo channel plan for this handling breakup if it’s a couple Channel then just dies yeah but if it was your channel beforehand you take it over then you take it back so if you guys were to break that pretty clear what would you do well it would die right would have to start a new channel no I think there would just be red videos and then link videos it would be red or link Rhett Rhett or link ah the red or link channel never see it it’s like you just you get Tuesdays I get Thursdays yeah we can move on from from the the relationship thing but one last question I mean you do you guys have to have strategic conversations or is it kind of by feel you have to say okay this is kind of the line in our relationship of how we’re gonna treat this or hey the way you Instagram that statement about our relationship let’s pull back from that hon you know you guys you don’t fight but if you were gonna fight that would this would be a good thing to fight over me like hey you haven’t posted any pictures of me like well I don’t get it like it’s to me like I just it’s not doing it on purpose he wants more he wants to be more intense I’m not like thinking that way I’m just honestly sometimes thinking about my Instagram is like okay I’m doing this I’m posting this and like when we’re hanging out it’s not my thought of like oh I’m gonna have to post an Instagram with us hanging out I don’t know it’s it’s just like I’m gonna have a little piece of privacy well is it and I you know getting to the back to the origin story the lifecasting thing I’m sure we’ll get to that but I mean is there more of a professional approach for you or has it has it gotten more professional and there being a separation like between I guess Justine and hi Justine yeah actually before we started recording I was like I was this gonna be just seniors it’s gonna be I just seen which is always I think the joke that I’ve always made is like well you know Justine like I’m actually very chill I’m super introverted like I if I’m at home I just want to sit at home and not be bothered or talk to anyone and if I’m home for a week and I don’t see anyone I’m perfectly okay with that like that’s totally fine and so people are very surprised to actually find that out cuz when you see me at like vidcon’s or anything I’m like always crazy and excited but I’m just really kind of like really chill and just want to sit in a corner but is it is there so the line is like that you turn the personality up for you know anything on camera I mean that’s certainly get that I mean I think anybody gets that but is there a is there an actual separation of you feel like it’s kind of creating a character iJustine as a character and not just a on camera amped up channel person personality of your own personality I think so I mean even I will struggle with that sometimes on YouTube over like really being I just seen right now and I’m like oh she’s so annoying I’m like shut up so just like stop like turn the camera off and be like okay I’m just gonna just gonna talk be normal and not like over-the-top crazy cuz sometimes you do get carried away and I’ll watch a video and just delete it I’m like oh my god you’re when they comment say you’re annoying like just seeing you are annoying so it’s like I will sit there and I will see like what these people do see and because it is sometimes just very characterized so yeah guys if you say I’m annoying I’m sorry but when you remember left that comment on any videos no but on all the social everything that you if you’re going to Instagram you’re going to tweet or whatever there’s kind of a has it moved to more of okay this is a professional endeavor I’m kind of on the clock I’m not just tweeting or is there kind of a it’s still personal how much overlap is there and is it less than it used to be I mean I do feel like it is a lot less because even when I’m posting an Instagram or a tweet like I will proofread it for like 20 minutes I’m like did I spell everything right did I tag everyone correctly and it becomes so much of a chore just to send a tweet and it’s a lot of responsibility too and like I’m actually a good example was I went to was in Alabama for MTV’s hangout fest and I spelled Outkast wrong and then I didn’t have any reception to change it so I was like freaking out oh my guys you’re never gonna believe this build I’ll cast wrong and like I was like with a see yeah I’m like I wasn’t paying attention just like typing okay great sent my tweet and like oh my god I’m getting destroyed right now well you could blame that on the autocorrect yeah but it was not auto corrects just my own like oops so did you follow that up with another tweet I did okay okay yes I just Broten capital letters in ka st great sorry so let’s get into the the origin of that iJustine character you you say that you were you had this photo blog at the time what was what was that was that the first thing that got you some attention online and then you kind of followed it from there maybe my first website in sixth grade and I’ve actually told this story so many times there was his kid his name is Steve and he kicked me and I was just I was just so upset and this was like in-home at class could you wear in my shins he was sitting across from me so it would be like you kicking me right now yeah that’s called flirting in sixth grade yeah but I think we actually were like really hating each other like I hated him and he hated me and I just remember us getting our seats moved and so I went home I was like what do i do how do I get back at him so obviously cyber bullying I made I hate Steve website which I don’t condone doing this I hate Steve I have a debt yeah so I’m Steve calm it wasn’t a dot-com because I don’t have any money or a credit card so you can buy domains back that I don’t think was really like not something you do I think it was like I hate Steve a tripod dot-com or something like that so the guy I figured out how to get Photoshop and I learned like DreamWorks fireworks that yeah so I would have my Mac on a 30-day trial reboot so every 30 days I would have to format my computers I backed up everything on discs because I didn’t know how my mom wasn’t gonna buy me the software so I would just reinstall it all every trial every 30 days but I keep building that website well that went in a bunch of them but that was that was my first website I was like this is really fun I was viewing source on different websites to try to like learn how to code what did Steve say about this website um we didn’t know about it until like four years ago so there’s just like for you and yourself it was like me and my friend Natalie I remember me and Natalie just making this IHC website and I was like photoshopping his eyes red and like just I was really happy with my work I hate you Steven your bloodshot eyes I remember we have scanner so I scanned his yearbook photo in oh yeah Wow Steve yeah no we’re actually friends now okay guilt friendship he’s actually the safety safety Steve in my Squatch watch videos these are our safety guy yep really the the Steve of the eye hey Steve does tripod what is it I think my sister went to prom with his brother yeah it’s really small town but I mean things really started to happen with the lifecasting that was the first thing right yeah which is kind of crazy I’m actually writing well I started writing a book about that it’s gonna be kind of like telling like the stories that happened during those times and I would go and interview like my friends but how did this affect you cuz they’re even des she was like it’s either me or the camera and she moved out so oh wow okay so you guys were roommates so how did it how did it start so I mean I was still doing like all the sort of the river the river and the YouTube stuff and still posting videos and I was working before that I was doing like freelance and I loved like video production and graphic design so I basically started making YouTube videos so that people would know that I knew how to edit and was more just promoting myself so that I could get jobs oh God before that I was actually working at a chiropractor when you crack him back sir no I was their video production yeah and for that I was I worked at a graphic design house and this chiropractor came into the this.get with a graphic design place and like ordered some brochures or something and he was like hey do you know anybody that was at an edit video oh oh this is great like I know how to edit he’s like okay do you want to come work for me I’ll double your salary do you know how to use avid I said no I don’t know how to use that I’m thinking myself but I’m like yeah I know how to use avid this is great so I like quit my job there what and worked at this chiropractor the next week taught myself a typewriter who had an avid sweet who is this go to avid sweets nonetheless yeah I’m pretty sure he’s not in business anymore and I think there’s several lawsuits out against him for a lot of different things but either a chiropractor who has to avid sweets is uh yeah there’s a label for that there’s a lot of things that we’re going frontman for something well so yeah meeting a company that they would like make commercials for different chiropractors so that’s what I was editing we’ve done that we made commercials for practice before little inappropriate slightly but yeah and then I think some of the first videos I started making was in the chiropractor’s office like the oatmeal video was in the chiropractor off okay so that’s now the earliest video you can see on your YouTube channel is your chiropractor office open ill eating video edited on avid so so you were making like comedic videos and just kind of putting them out there but and then what the lifecasting thing was just that kind of happened in parallel kind of I quit the chiropractor job and I mean it was it was great but I was like this is terrible like I’m working 80 some hours a week slaving over a chiropractor stuff like we had to be there way did you like he’s training things and all this weird stuff like over the weekends but I was like a really fast editor so in the time that it took me to edit what a normal person would edit I would be like editing on my laptop in Final Cut like all these other videos but after I quit there I met this guy Justin in San Francisco of Justin TV what were you in San Francisco for Macworld so you went as an attendee or you were vlogging I went out with um there was this podcast called macbreak so I’m out there with them and did some like sort of hosting stuff and I saw the dude with like a camera on his head I was like oh my god this guy’s really cool he was but he turned out to be actually really cool and they were starting this company called justin TV which was a live streaming platform and he’s like yeah in the next week I’m gonna be live-streaming my entire life for the next however long this is amazing and then he did and he did it for a while and then they were opening up their platform to other people and he’s like do you want to be the first or the second person to livestream so it worked out great Justin Justine I mean yeah just yet I mean didn’t even think that was my name they just thought I was an actress like know my name I really enjoy doing this stuff so I did that for six months so you literally had a camera on your head like a headlamp camera type thing like a logitech webcam with a light on it like that lets people know that it’s recording and you connected to the Internet via like a satellite connection that’s when Sprint had unlimited access unlike their a video cards so I think that me and Justin single-handedly stopped that from ever happening so this was this was mobile this wasn’t just like while you’re home this was at all times and maybe the connection was a little slow from time to time but everything yeah I mean not everything let’s get to crazy you know so where would you put the camera when you use the bathroom I would make it look at a picture of Steve Jobs which you like had outside of the restroom no I had a framed photo of him on my desk was this branding or was this until my friend actually got me that for my birthday one year okay thank you go so that it’s brilliant branding I’m not stalking you for it was just on my desk so I would always like flip it over I put a note card like be right back going to bathroom or whatever like doing something I don’t want you to see yeah I’m doing some six months and the only breaks were bathroom breaks and when you were sleeping where was it um it was just sitting on my desk watching me sleep creepy you know I remember I’d always play a I always play tool like the band tool I would sleep to that so everybody would get a nice tool soundtrack every night’s so so you didn’t earn that you didn’t mute it no if you talked in your sleep they would they couldn’t hear it over because it was it was a wide shot it wasn’t like a shot of like your mouth in your eyes and your nose it was a very wide shot yeah but I mean I would sleep in so they would like think I was dead when I wasn’t waking up they said they were like it’s like calling my mom who I think she’s not okay and what did okay so you already hinted at the fact that Desiree had a problem with this and and said I’m out yeah but what about what what went into the decision did you talk to your parents about it they’re like nah I don’t even remember how it all came about I was like oh this is cool all right I’ll do it I don’t know why I even ever agreed but it was it was still kind of fun you got paid to do it right no originally no I didn’t which was crazy because they was watching me like run a business essentially like I would be taking I would take it into meetings with me and I would mute it because I was still doing like graphic design and web design and video stuff so I would take it to a coffee shop and it would watch me like edit what do you tell people and stuff I mean it wasn’t that obvious cuz if I was at a coffee shop it just looked like I had just a hat just sitting there I didn’t realize as a web cam on it and you were filming that yeah it’s not as wrong when you’re not getting paid for it yeah I mean it wasn’t on my head like it was just like I would take it off my head and just sit on the the desk so it would be looking at me so yeah it wasn’t a very you just did it because it seemed cool I mean what the concerns of like the privacy and quality of life these are things that I don’t even think about it I was just like this is this is this is a cool thing and it that’s when I first started doing like the video and editing and it was just it was really fun so it’s like oh this is great I don’t have to edit anything it’s just live yeah so for six months you by-and-large loved doing it or how far in were you like oh I don’t it started hitting around like the three month point but then I was like so invested it was like it was like an abusive relationship really love this oh my god I hate it like I would sometimes that’s what the hell am i doing like I don’t even to this day sometimes when I think about like doing a livestream like I just get anxiety thinking of like back in the day like just doing that non-stop was there a low point yeah got a few low points right just like unplug and just start crying because I mean you’re it’s such an emotional overload of people constantly judging you I mean just non-stop all day long just having something to say about you and you can look at this chat you know at all times yeah at all times I really I think that I’m this or I’m doing this or whatever and I’d have to be so careful like if I make sure I’d wear like a shirt that was like pulled up at all times like if I wore a tank top I have to be so careful because you never know because if something happens live like it’s live it’s there forever and something that I did find it’s something like that happened no thankfully I don’t know how it didn’t in six months but one thing I did learn is that there are sneeze people there are people that have sneeze fetishes what do they say when you sneeze do it again they love it like they love it and there’s like compilations still to this day on YouTube just all my justin.tv sneezes really yep whatever it takes but you’re okay with it I mean you’re not you know it’s not like you’re creeped out by the sneeze fetish people it’s kind of kind of every time I sneeze that that’s what I think of so it’s kind of there I should have recorded that for those guys and the feet people lots of feet people oh yeah yeah because they would sit around sooner or later they’d see your feet and there it is it’s it’s on the feet wiki I’m sure you guys have one too you just probably haven’t looked at them but you would turn it off and break down crying there was definitely some points yeah and you lost a roommate over it I did yeah cuz I made definitely made a conscious decision I was like this is what I’m doing like I’m gonna do this thing and she just wasn’t really into it I mean we’re so good friends like I love her and she still is like I can’t believe you’re still doing all this crazy stuff right I mean so it you did the life casting thing and that stopped after six months was it during that that time that you started having some of those initial YouTube videos breakout was that all the same year actually at the same time was one the iPhone bill okay 300-page yeah so what was kind of crazy as that was all happening that was all still being life casted so it would the camera would come with me to like like two satellite interviews that would go to wherever like Australia and stuff like that so it was kind of it was a really crucial time because it all happened sort of right there and then it was all life casted and how big did the the iPhone bill go it was three new pages so and how big did a video got me in turn actually a good question I think there’s only like three or four million views on YouTube but then I remember on Yahoo it had so many more and then MySpace that had so many because it was just featured everywhere all of those other sites had actually tons of views and even on River River money I was so sad when Reverend I had no idea because I would have downloaded all my old videos oh they kept sending warnings about that really they were like we’re shutting down download your videos are you serious yeah we downloaded all ours no no we didn’t in four V’s that remember really way back I I guess I do yeah I did not get the email maybe I’m just bad at email but I’m very sad about it so you were getting all this press for this huge iPhone bill did you cry in that video right no she cried the Steve Jobs right no I didn’t cry in the iPhone bill did cry about Steve Jobs which with that video good choice by the way if you’re gonna only cry on one yeah but the thing is I posted that on my iPhone channel which is like honestly I only wanted that video to be seen no more than 15,000 times to like my hardcore fans that know how much Steve Jobs meant to me so it was more just like a reaction like that was honestly real I turned on the camera I was like I’m doing this and posted it and then I was like oh great front page of Reddit for just seemed farting while crying about Steve Jobs I’m like oh my god are you kidding me how they find this you farted well no I didn’t I had on like rubber boots so I was it was like scooting on this show I don’t remember that so that was that was the meme that was going around okay and then I’m like crying I’m not farting you it’s rubber boots so yeah okay it was fun so I mean it’s widely recognized that you’re not just one of the first women but one of the first people who had this my life is out there I am a vlogger like when people think of vlogger like you know we talked about this you still can’t type vlogger into your word processing application and it it won’t accept it it still doesn’t see it as a word even in 2014 which is just melaka it makes it are flogging but before anybody was really understanding what that word was and they were still saying v logging yeah you were doing it yeah it was weird cuz it wasn’t I wasn’t thinking that I was doing that like I mean I was blogging at the time so that was just for me an easier way to say something is I didn’t I wasn’t like I call sis so much easier if I just talked about it instead of writing it and the thing then is there wasn’t mobile phones so it wasn’t as easily to be accessible as it is now I mean now you’re watching videos on the go in the car probably shouldn’t be if you’re having and watching YouTube videos well you know we had we had jenna Marbles on on the here biscuit a while back and she mentioned you as her inspiration yeah once she decided to start doing yes she was like I did I want to do what she’s doing I’ve watched a lot of iJustine videos to figure out a game plan basically I mean do you feel like an online matriarch I mean I think this whole table right here I mean this is AG o UT the original youtubers I mean it is and like I mean like Phil and like that whole like crew of people I mean it’s it’s so crazy that I mean I don’t even know why originally we were doing it I mean I was just doing it for fun like I really loved editing I still love editing I love making people laugh and just having fun and I don’t know there’s just an audience out there for everything which is so cool that now people are doing that the only thing now as a lot of people are just doing it because they want to be like a youtuber I guess so it’s so different because we were just doing it because we really I don’t know we’re just having fun yeah it’s there it’s interesting that you know that first in second and sort of you know those first couple of waves of of online entertainers we all did it because it was just this new and exciting thing and it’s I mean that can’t happen again it’s gonna happen with some other medium right but it can’t happen again with this it’s pretty it’s pretty cool to think about that is that we literally were doing it for just to see what would happen yeah right yeah and it’s interesting gets I’ve kind of seen that happen with vine like a lot of these vine kids like it’s so crazy cuz they were doing the same thing just else is cool I can make a really cool video in six seconds so it’s kind of cool to see sort of that same community like happen over there on another platform and I got to meet actually at recently a couple of them like wow you guys are so cool this is awesome like it’s a whole another thing it was like it was been so long since I’ve felt like that feeling of like the original youtubers and like I can see it with them and I’m like this is awesome so it was really exciting yeah I mean you say eight years ago that was that was you on with streaming and with YouTube and it’s beginning phase and but you know so now fast-forward to the present time and there’s there’s a struggle to maintain relevance I know for us you know it’s it’s true of all entertainment but I feel like everything is so accelerated on YouTube and online that there’s so many more people coming in a lot of people who say okay now I can make a living at this kind of thing there’s so it’s competition on one hand but it’s being around this long there’s a challenge to continuing to rise to the top yeah and I think that’s hard and it’s it’s funny about like the vine like so it took us I mean what this is like eight years later so for them I mean that happened in less than a year so it’s like crazy just like that platform just rise up and all of these new people just kind of pop up out of nowhere and then even for them it’s interesting cuz the transition doesn’t transition that well over to YouTube it’s like two completely separate sure different audiences but how how is it for you at this point with everything that’s happening on YouTube and the landscape here and the difficulty it is to to keep getting views maybe the views that you could get before you know how it how do you interact with that what’s the strategy is it okay you know there’s a hosting component to what you do now that’s independent of your YouTube channel is you know is that is there a struggle there is there a frustration the frustration comes from knowing that I’m posting stuff and knowing that their subscribers there that will never see it and why I matter no is that a YouTube thing is that what it’s like people still everyday like when are you posting a new video I’m like I’ve posted like 20 this week sure eyes not see any of those anywhere so I think that’s the hard part is just knowing that like you’ve worked so hard to get this audience and you don’t have access to them I think that’s the struggle it’s like I mean I know I’m posting stuff and like no one is why are you guys not seeing it and I even talked to the audience directly I’m like why did you guys not see this and I know there’s another crazy thing because I will post something on Facebook and I will see like the impressions of that post which nowhere near will reflect anything on YouTube so microd anybody to watch it like what does that mean mm-hmm because and then if I post something just directly on Facebook I can actually see how many views that gets I don’t know something’s going on there’s a conspiracy guys need to get to the bottom of it I’m wondering how your YouTube channel plays into it the hosting gigs all the opportunities that you take and projects that you’re launching it aren’t on your channel is there a division of strategies that’s not and YouTube is just a part of it yeah I mean YouTube will always be a part of it and I think just creating content and sometimes I forget what my audience likes like they love iPhones they love technology and sometimes I’m like off doing something else that’s crazy Michael I forgot like they don’t really that’s not something that they’re into but it’s fun to be able to share sort of those different things so when I make a video talking about like my iPhone or technology like those do so much better because that’s that’s really what my audience wants to see so sometimes I forget about that too and so I lose sight of stuff that they originally started subscribing for so I think that’s something that I have to keep in mind too because I might be traveling and I want to post like travel vlogs but that’s not really not everybody’s into that I think just trying to find out what they like what they want and just posting consistently which has always been a problem for me so I’m like I don’t have time to post so I’m sorry you’re not gonna get a video now I mean how do you navigate it you developed a standard with your brand there’s certain things you’re not going to do but you know is there this is there a temptation that okay if I’m in why don’t why don’t I be in my bikini and a thumbnail some more always been a that’s I would imagine that that’s something that you know if it gets if that gets traction there’s a decision to be made all along the way thing is like I look at my analytics too it’s like they’re mostly girls so I mean maybe they want to seem in my bikini but like whatever but that’s cool but my bikini rule is only when I’m on vacation which is a quite a bit yeah quite a bit sometimes you know well it has the has the fact that YouTube is is frustrating for lots of different reasons right I mean YouTube audience can be very fickle they can get tired of certain things they there can be technical glitches that you’re kind of talking about there’s all kinds of frustrations involved with it and it also just you know one year is a decade you know it so in having almost done it for a decade you’ve like lived a several lifetimes online right but they’re all those frustrating frustrations involved related to YouTube but you’ve you’ve got so much traction in a lot of other places right I mean like I said you know you’re hosting you all kinds of things and you’re doing lots of TV opportunities how is that part of your career going and are you hoping to continue to kind of push in that direction and do the frustrations on YouTube kind of serve as a driving force to kind of move you know more into that kind of thing I think so and then I’ve been doing it for so long so I’m like okay like what do I do next which is why I was like I really want to do this book which originally the book kind of all came about more as like a joke cuz I kept telling the audience it’s like I’ll just save it for the book save it for the book and then he started like pitching TV shows and like movie type things about like that’s six months of the live streaming to production companies and studios wow this is great like we love this idea and then I was like wait let’s just stop all of this I’m just gonna write the book so I have sort of that thing that’s like okay here’s the stories I have these these are mine this is what I want it to be about so I just kind of wanted it to go back to that and just have those stories and then either kind of ask the audience like what do you guys want me to do with this do you want me to turn it into a TV show do you want it to be a movie like what do you guys want because honestly like having them make the decisions it’s kind of what I’ve always done and then ways have such really good ideas like when I need a video idea I mean they’re on it them like you guys are so great all these little mini producers so what’s the book gonna be called I just recently googled how to write a book so I’m probably yeah what depends on what kind of book you’re writing I guess but we’ll see so you haven’t you haven’t put pen to paper yet so to speak um I’ve actually cuz so I started doing like the draw my life so okay young so I sort of have a nice little outline but then I’m gonna go kind of crowdsource maybe dig up some ex-boyfriends and have them write some things for me josh is gonna josh is gonna have a chapter and Steve I mean this ghost girl went back to Steve so it’s not that she didn’t want to talk about him and said she didn’t want to talk about him before they’re in her book I understand now no the problem wasn’t getting hot in here no the perhaps I honestly don’t remember so many things like it’s awful like I’m actually looking forward to doing this like I want to make it’ll just be like on Facebook like alright to all of my actual friends how did we meet what were some fun things that we did did we date did I hurt you do you hate me like I want to know everything what you do realize that when you access a memory you actually change it really every time you access a memory you change it like physically well the way it’s arranged in your brain so be careful what you remember well at least somebody else remembers that do you have a sense that when you ask your friends have I how have I hurt you however that that’s what you’re gonna get back that you’ve you’ve hurt people and that you’ve alienated people I definitely think there’s some people out there that may feel that way so I’m just wondering like how honest would they like to be about it and because actually this is really fine I did a reddit AMA which probably won’t ever do again cuz retton’s none like me oh really no but it went really well at first but then there was somebody on there that kept saying like I know you from like back in the day or and and he was saying things I was like oh my god this person does know me and they’re like saying like that I hurt them and they do are you hurt you hurt them and we’re like emotional I do this like what did I do like I don’t I didn’t mean to do that so I just I just want to know those things cuz I don’t know kind of it’s kind of fascinating and I think if there’s good stories in there that’s stuff that I would like to include wow so this so the way people have remembered your life is going to be a major element in this yeah and that and like how I’ve affected a bunch of like my audience I mean I know there’s been so many kids I think that not just me but like youtubers in general have really changed their lives people have said they’ve they’ve watched us in like hospital rooms and we’ve got them through such tough times so I really want to kind of get those stories and just I mean I went to school for graphic design and video production so I do have that background but I’ve always never known what I wanted to do I’ve never really planned anything and I want to just let people know that like if you have an idea if you want to do something like if you want to do it bad enough like you can do it like I’m writing a book I don’t know how to write a book I’ll figure it out I googled it that’s my first step so I just think if there’s something that you want to do you can you can figure it out and if not then you don’t want to do it bad enough well listen I look forward to reading it so get to writing it you’ll do an audio version too so if you want us to write a little just a little paragraph about that podcast that we don’t remember very well I don’t remember either yes you know oh no you guys I mean the og I mean I was like I just remember finding rhett and Link they’re so funny like and I kept telling dozen like look we can be like them we can do this too and there’s other two radio DJs in Pittsburgh Mikey and Big Bob who were also like my inspiration I kept telling him like look this give us we could do this is a be really Big Bob yes oh we have better names than Mikey and Big Bob yeah I gotta say that’s pretty good oh well good Bob is big I could be bigger Alabang he’s not his first name no he’s just he’s just a big dude Oh names Bob no they’re so funny but it was like I like I really wanted like that duo like I think that’s what I want like that’d be so fun and then no one ever could hold on along for the ride so that life cassie is quite a commitment yeah right yes yeah well listen before you start writing the book you’d have to write on our table yeah consider that a start it’s much easier than writing a book you don’t have to Google how to do this well there it was our ear biscuit with Justine is Eric you know I I think it’s cool to be able to reconnect with Justine after I mean she was one of the first people that we befriended on the internet who was trying to do the same thing we were doing I mean that was almost 10 years ago man so it’s cool to sit down and reconnect and it’s like full circle well we were in a basement in Lillington North Carolina and the first time that we talked to her and we were on that podcast she was somewhere outside of Pittsburgh Pennsylvania we nobody knew what we were trying to do nobody knew where this was what was gonna go no one knew if there was any more traction with the river than there was with YouTube I mean really that’s that’s that was a state of things right yeah and here we are this many years later don’t know anything now either we still don’t know anything but I do know a couple things hey YouTube is better than river youtube turn delete be well just by virtue of it existing YouTube turned out to be a safer bet than revver and you know she’s out here in Los Angeles we’re out here in Los Angeles in some weird way in the way that the industry change and the way that online entertainment became what it is we brought us all out here it’s cool to connect I’ll tell you something else I want to go to that hot spring in Iceland well every time you know I’ll drop my phone in there if that’s what it takes you go I don’t know what you were gonna drop I’ll drop my drawers and get in there that’s what you’re gonna say it’s not that kind of Hot Springs I drop a phone in there what it takes I do think we should we should visit more exotic spots and make videos there and post them on Justine’s channel no she won’t I don’t think she’s on our Channel I mean we should do that I mean every time I look at her Instagram she’s on in another tropical location and I’m like wow you know when we gonna do that what happened to us I can’t answer that question right I don’t know when we’re gonna do that when we gonna get around to it but if there’s I do like the idea of hot springs with my last experience in a hot spring which was shared on GMM required being totally naked with some really old senior citizen men so it just I mean that was that didn’t happen in Justine’s blog vlog she’s got a different thing let me say the water wasn’t cloudy like it was in that Blue Lagoon in Iceland Iceland I like it it was pretty transparent as far as I remember so tweet it justine let her know that you appreciated her ear biscuit here you know we put her on the spot about a couple of things and so i appreciate her being a good sport about that and you know you can also tweet at us and tell us that we’re good sports to you but what you 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