EB 377: Link’s Embarrassing Ski Trip Story

Welcome to “Ear Biscuits,” the podcast where two lifelong friends talk about life for a long time. I’m Link. And I’m Rhett. This week at the round table of dim lighting, we are going to be hearing about Link’s spring break trip to the the snowcapped mountains, Rocky Mountains. I went on the most ambitious private ski trip that Christy and I were in charge of, ever, ever. Mm. It was very ambitious. And let me tell you, I need to share a story of embarrassment. Oh, you’ve got a story of embarrassment? And humiliation. Well, that’s a change of pace. And yeah, it involves me being the one embarrassed- Oh! And humiliated. And also the source of the embarrassment. Yeah. The source and the recipient. There’s no part of the story that I’m proud of. Good. Those are the best kind. I feel like I have to share the story to redeem some sort of value out of it. Well, listen man- Like, getting you to either laugh at me… That’s my mantra at this point. When something starts going south, I’m like, I’ve got a podcast. Yeah, I know. It’s great to have a podcast. So you can either laugh or you can ultra cringe. Yeah. Like, in fact, I use it as a coping mechanism now when I get in a situation where I can get scared. Scared? Where I’m like, I might die, or like, this could go south so fast. And then I’m like, but you know what? If I get through this, I’ll have a story to tell. I don’t wanna be like I might die, but hey, I have a podcast. No, it’s like… No, I’m saying it’s a good like coping mechanism. It calms you down. I don’t use it when I’m about to die and to justify doing something. I do it when I’ve done something really dumb, really embarrassing. Oh man. And I’m like, well, at least I can share it and we can get a good laugh out of it, hopefully. Oh, I won’t laugh at you. Do you promise to laugh? So I wanna share this story ’cause I just feel like it’s the only way to redeem what I did. And then I wanna forget it happened entirely. Okay. Once it’s immortalized on the internet. All right. So I’m gonna tell you that story and I will contextualize my ambitious vacation ski trip as part of that. So stay tuned. But I know in my absence, did you not make a Link free podcast? Yeah, I did. And did that come out last week? And did I listen to it? No, ’cause I’m not in it. Yeah, I wouldn’t. I don’t listen to the ones I’m in either. Don’t feel any obligation to listen. But like, is there anything I need to know about it that everybody else knows? Do I need to listen to it? Probably not. I mean- Well, hold on. So you didn’t make it about me? I mean, you were mentioned. I mean, I think we got a couple good shots of your empty chair. There were some questions about you that I answered, but do you think you need to listen to it? Yeah, is there something I should know, Jenna? You’re too busy for that. No. Okay, it’s not while the cat’s away… No, you know me- Mice will play. You know me well enough to not need to listen to me talk without you there. You know what I mean? Unless you’re dropping some non-truths about me in my absence. People ask some questions that I didn’t end up answering because, like, what’s the one thing that you’ve never told us about Link, or something like that. I’m like, I can’t… I spent some time thinking about those things and I just didn’t… There’s nothing. There’s nothing there. There’s nothing. There better not be anything. But it was horrible. It was horrible without you here, I’m sure no one listened. I struggled through the whole thing. I struggled keeping the conversation going. It was really short because I ran outta stuff to talk about. You know, all the things that you wanna hear. Good, good, good. Thank you. And I’m gonna give you the return favor. I’m gonna do one without you ’cause you’re going on a vacation. I’ve got my own trip. Our kids’ spring breaks no longer line up. And now that we’ve got two kids in college and kids at home, it’s just… The months of March and April, at this point, we barely see each other. No, we see each other plenty. It’s good. Yeah, but we used to sync up all our spring break vacations. Right, right. And now we’ve just complicated things at Mythical here by not doing that. Did you make any Mythical decisions that I should’ve known about? You kind of brought me up to speed on that. It was actually remarkably efficient. But did you decide anything that you knew I would’ve done the opposite? Oh yeah. When you were running the company. Yeah, I definitely took advantage of that opportunity. No. No, I didn’t do that. I didn’t do that. But I did do something that I would like to tell you about. Yeah, tell me. That you do know, but you don’t know the details. So I took this opportunity while you were gone to join you as a open water certified scuba diver. Surprise. Congratulations, yeah. Tall guys can scuba dive. I knew that you were getting your certification, which required… You went to Catalina too, right? Yeah, yeah, same process. Same company, same process. Two days. You had to stay overnight. With Shepherd. Out on the island with Shepherd in order to do everything you needed to do in the open water, in the actual ocean. Yeah. This is where my mind’s at right now. I’ll tell you a little bit about how it went. But the main thing that I was thinking was why did you not, upon having this happen to you, immediately come to me, grab me, put both hands on me, on my shoulders, look me directly in the eye and say, “You have to get scuba certified ASAP. It’s the best thing ever.” You totally undersold it, man. You undersold it. I’m just gonna be honest with you here. I didn’t literally grab your- You should have forced me. I had to wait a whole year before I get to do this. Well, you… The adventures that we can go on now. Dude, I talked about it on the show. You did talk about it. We talked about it in our normal lives. You talked about how good of a time you had, but you did not insist. Like, if I had of done it first, I would’ve got home, I would’ve gone over to your house, I would’ve been like, “Listen, you need to set the date right now. You gotta get this, you gotta do this. Pick a son who’s willing to go with you and do it.” I did tell you to do it. I said, “You would really enjoy this.” And you know what you said? You’re like, “Well, my beard. You know, I can’t do the mask thing ’cause of my beard. I got this mustache. You know I’m not gonna shave my mustache.” Whenever I bring it up, that’s what you would talk about. Yeah, but you should should’ve broken through that. I’m just being honest. You should have forced your way through. This is your problem. You should have forced your way through that. I’m not gonna beg you to do something that- Well, I would’ve begged you. Just gonna say that. I told you to do it. I didn’t ask you to do it. You suggested it like, “Hey man, there’s a good restaurant on the other side of town. Maybe you should go.” I built it up on the show. What world are you living in? You should have picked me up and driven me there. Yeah, that’s- Next time. And you know what the brutal honesty is, Rhett, It’s not my job to make you happy. I did everything I could. I shared my experience. Yeah. And you know what, I had worthy companions. I had my son Lincoln and I had Chase. I replaced you with Chase. Yeah, also, I gotta talk to Chase. He has undersold it too. Now, for those of you out there who do- But you’re welcome to join us now. Who do have a beard, let me just go ahead and say that, that whole thing about the beard being a problem, that’s oversold. That is so, so oversold. You get the right mask- And you’re talking about mustache here really, not beard. Yeah, and you shave a… First of all, I think I could get away with it without doing this, but as you can see, it’s growing back in. But just a little, like, literally like 10 hairs at the top of your mustache. Just enough to get the mask under there. Create a little nose gap. I don’t know. Listen man, I felt like… You know- I didn’t keep anything from you. Well, I think this is the thing, is that you talked about how… You’ve always been scared of being underwater, right? Like, so you’ve had a lifelong fear of like holding your breath underwater and being underwater. So you had a lot… So your story was a lot about like, overcoming that fear. Overcoming the anxiety yeah. And the thing that I did not realize is I’ve always loved being underwater and like diving and holding my breath and going as deep as I can. And I just assumed like, yeah, this beard thing, I don’t wanna get… Like, you didn’t tell me… Okay, this is another thing I’m gonna blame on you. You did not tell me that if you’re 60 feet underwater, it doesn’t matter how deep you are, it makes sense, but I didn’t know, that if your mask fills up with water, you just literally breathe out of your nose and fill it back up with air. I did tell you that. You didn’t make it clear, man. I just feel like it wasn’t clear. I used those words. I feel like there should have been a chart. I feel like you should have set me down, whiteboard. I I just feel like it could have been more forceful. You needed to discover this on your own terms in your own time. And I’m glad that you did because I’m gonna benefit from this. Already he’s been talking about we need to go down here and do it. We need to go up here and do it. We need to start traveling places to like the best scuba… Yes! ‘Cause you loved it so much. And I’m like, this is what I want, someone to do all the thinking for me. Because I don’t remember… I’ve forgotten everything about it. I need to be re-certified, and you’re gonna do that for me. You got it. So… Yes. So, Chase. Sorry buddy, you’re out. Well no, first of all, Chase can go with us, man. Nope, he’s out. I can’t have that many traveling companions. The thing that was… You can imagine this, but of course when you were diving in California, in Catalina, you’re diving in like the kelp forest. And so this feeling, I’ve always wanted to fly, but it’s the closest thing to flying too, right? I’m sure I told you that. I’m sure I described it that way. You probably did. You probably did. You probably did. Anyway, I’m not gonna tell you extensively about this. We’re gonna hear it from Link. And ’cause I’m going to… My spring break, I’m going to the Caribbean and I’m going to dive in a shipwreck and I’m going to dive on like, a wall. So, I’ll talk more about that and maybe get some good video. I’m talking to Chase right now. This is the thing. This is also why I’m a good friend, because you don’t buy anything. But like, when I get into things I immediately, I’m like, well what do you actually need to do this and make it cool? So I’m like, I’m talking to Chase about his 360 camera so that when I come back and I talk about my vacation, there’ll be footage of me in a shipwreck. But you talk about things, but it’s oh yeah, we can just imagine. Yep, ’cause I did it for me. Well, I’m doing it for you listening. No, I’m doing it for me, but like… You doing it for the write off? Is that what you’re saying? But Chase has this- You putting this all on the company card? Chase has this camera that you just like literally float next to you and it just films your whole thing in 360. You don’t even have to think about. I know that. He brought that when we went out to the Channel Islands and he lost it. Yeah, he did. But he found it again. No, someone found it like floating out in the ocean and called him. So anyway, I’m on board. I absolutely love it. Like, it was just wonderful. And I am, yes- It’s wonderful, isn’t it? And I definitely think we gotta- Shepherd loved it, I’m sure. Shepherd was all in like… Both of us- See, y’all didn’t have any anxiety to overcome. No, we loved it. We loved it. It’s cool man. It’s cold as balls out there, but… And it was cold. The surface temperature was 57 degrees. Well, the water temperature. Why is it cold as balls? My balls aren’t really ever that cold. Well, they’re colder than the rest of your body. That’s why they’re in your ball sack. Oh. And the colder they get, the more sperm you make. But we don’t need sperm anymore. No, we don’t. But we make… We still, just so you understand, we still make semen. A lot of people seem to be confused about that. Well, this is a tangent. That was gonna be my wreck. You just stole my thunder. The other thing that you undersold. I’m sorry, I’m on this… You undersold Catalina Island, man. Like, you actually talked exclusively negatively about it. I don’t recall. Yep. You didn’t say that on the thing, but you were like it’s… Because you know, also, I’m obsessed with islands. I’ve always had this weird thing about islands. I love islands. I mean, there’s a putt-putt course. See, exactly, you’re still in this negativity spiral. I mean, there’s an ocean around it and there’s an amazing kelp forest. But the island itself, I told you, I wouldn’t spend more than two nights there. Yeah, right. Yeah, I stand by that. Well, when we arrived, the sun rise was shining on, you know, the town of Avalon. And, I was like, this place is enchanting. That’s the exact words that I used when I told Shepherd about it. And yeah, there’s not a whole lot going on there. I’m not gonna spend a week there or anything. There’s more ice cream parlors than people. But also finding out about… Like, did you find out about the giant squirrels and the dwarf foxes? Did you find out about this? No. Did you see this? No. So one of the reasons I love islands is because of the, you know, the isolation of the island. Not only does it make weird stuff start happening in terms of the people, but it makes very weird stuff start happening in terms of the flora and the fauna, because of their isolated populations. And evolution begins taking hold. Like, well, like it does everywhere. There’s a giant squirrel? So a lot of times when a population of a particular animal is isolated on an island, depending on who his competitors are, it will either get smaller or bigger. And so… Just like in Madagascar. The squirrels are like 25% bigger than a normal squirrel. And I didn’t see one, but I saw it like the museum that we visited, there’s a museum. You went in the museum? Well actually, I think the squirrel is at like a sporting goods store. But it’s a big ass squirrel and they have a little tiny fox. And they also have a butterfly that’s only on the island. And then they have trees that are only on the island, the only place in the world. And then there’s a 39 mile trans Catalina trail that you can hike from one end of the island to the other. And there’s bison on the island because the bison herd was isolated during a John… They used it for a John Wayne movie and then they just left them on the island. And now there’s just this like roaming herd of bison that they have to cull it, not by killing them, but just by herding them up. And then they give them to like bison farms where they’re like trying to repopulate bison in America or something like that. Every like so-and-so number of years they have to do this. Huh. And the whole island is owned by the Wrigley family. You know, Wrigley spearmint gum. And that big house that you see on the upper left when you get there, that big mansion, that’s the Wrigley mansion. And apparently like the grandkids of the Wrigleys run the island and make all the decisions about things. There’s like a council. And you know, they also… They’re from Chicago, right? So Wrigley Field. So the Chicago Cubs had their spring training on Catalina Island from 1921 to 1951. This is all fascinating. I was just like, what? This is crazy. And it’s just quaint. It’s beautiful. And the fact that the dive center is right there and it’s just steps down into a kelp forest. And then you go… And I heard- The underwater’s cool. I heard that you took your… You rented your tanks in LA and took them to the island. Yeah. That wasn’t my decision though. Well, whoever took you on your thing was like… You should have told them no bueno because… It was heavy. They’re so heavy. The tanks are so heavy. Yeah. That’s the only thing I’m worried about. You can rent ’em on the island. We should have done that. Not only can you rent ’em… So like, we had to get the tanks refilled, right? Yeah. So, because we were using the Casino Point Dive Center right there, we would get our tanks, and our weights, by the way, you can also rent your weights. Like you were carrying your weights. So heavy. But you had like 60 extra pounds of luggage, which I can’t believe that, ’cause just the other stuff alone is crazy amount of weight. You probably had a wheeled cart though. I did, yeah. Yeah, they didn’t give us that ’cause we didn’t have this other stuff. But you just, you dive and then you go, you take your tank and they give you a new one and then you go back into the water. It’s so convenient. It’s wonderful. It’s like… Well I like to think that I earned it. It’s like a wonderland. It’s like a wonderland. It’s a wonderland. And I just feel like you said, “Ah, a couple of days there, you’ve seen everything you need to see.” If I would’ve told you everything you just told me, when you did it, you’d have been disappointed. I gave you a gift. Okay, well it was unintentional. Speaking of a gift. Look at this T-shirt. It’s a puff painted GMM logo. That’s right, there you go. Of flowers. You’re trying to make it sound different, but you ended up just saying… Look at this. Am I doing the same thing I did for Catalina? Just underselling it. Yeah, make it seem like something people want. This T-shirt is the GMM logo, but it’s flowers and it’s puff paint. And if you look at it and you like it, you should buy it. If you look at it and you don’t like it, buy something else, ’cause we got a lot of shit. Mythical.com. Yeah. I have notes. I have notes. Jamie and Jenna loved it. And I’m not saying it’s just for girls. Right? I’m not saying that. Yep, you’re right. Yeah. I actually quite like it. I’m also wearing it ’cause it’s for me. I quite like it. I like it too. I wish I had some puff paint. If you look at it really closely, it’s just like you’re in a wild flower forest. Yeah. If somebody gets really close to you, it’s like they’re in a meadow. How’s that for selling it? And then when they back up, they’re like, “Wait, wait, wait. Is this a logo for an internet show? Tell me about that.” Mythical.com. So, we went to Park City. It’s the second year in a row we took spring break, but this is a special spring break because it’s Lincoln’s senior year. And you know, I’d been perusing Airbnb well in advance. I like to find a good spot. And I was just thinking this is a special year for him. I’m willing to kind of blow it out a little bit. And I found this like, big house that was… It was the only one like this. And it said rare find on Airbnb, which kinda- Well, they’re selling it. Yeah, they’re selling it. You could have said that about the shirt. It was like a big log cabin type thing on the ski slopes. It had like a ski-in ski-out. And the big thing about skiing is like, getting everybody into the car and Christy doesn’t ski, so then she’s relegated to just being chauffeur for all of us to go skiing. Drop us off, coordinating to pick us up, trying to find parking. I was like, oh this is an amazing luxury here. This is a good find. And then I was like, you know what, we have a lot of room, Lincoln, bring your friends. I can accommodate up to four of your friends. Good god. So Lincoln and his four friends, me and Christy, Lando, Lily. He’s got four friends, that’s cool. Oh, he’s got a lot of friends. He had to narrow it down. He’s more popular than both of us, Rhett. How did that work? Did the top four sort of just naturally present themselves? Yeah, I think it simplified itself. Some people couldn’t come, some people didn’t wanna ski. Some people who had never skied or one person who had never seen snow did come. They come to the top of the list. Yeah, you wanna have somebody around who’s like, oh, look at this. Let’s watch him see snow for the first time. Wow. And then Lily was able to come and her boyfriend came. So here we go. There’s 10 of us. Wow. In this house. And who’s in charge? Christy. Good. We flew. We like coordinated flights for all of us. We had to get, like, we had to rent two cars at the airport to get everybody from the airport up to the house in Park City. Yeah. And then Lando’s best friend, his parents happened to be staying in Park City because Lando’s spring break’s the same time, and so was his friends. So like, they were there. So there was this other family of four that we’re meeting up with. So like the first night… Well, the second night we were there, we had made reservations for 14. That’s a miracle. That’s a lot of people. To actually, in Park City, to find a restaurant, between Christy and Kara, they were able to find this place and, secure all 14 of us eating like, at this like, nice steakhouse type place in a yurt. It was awesome. But here was what was so much a feat about it. We were sitting down at one end of the table, me and Christy and Alex and Tara. Those are the adults from the other group, you know? And ’cause we’re friends with them, we’re having a good time. And at one point Alex says to me, he’s like, “Look down there at the rest of the table.” And you know, the other… I looked around at all the kids. Like, you got Lily and her boyfriend, you got Linc and all of his friends, and Lando and his friend. Like, they’re all just talking to each other, having a blast. And that was a big early moment that I like, felt great about this ambitious decision because I was really nervous. I mean the logistics involved in getting that many people somewhere and knowing that everybody’s not gonna make it back home in one piece. Someone’s gonna get hurt. I mean, when you’re bringing that many people, when there’s 14 people on a mountain, well 13, ’cause Christy didn’t ski. I was like, I’m proud of us for trying this, but it’s gonna be riddled with defeats. Because at some point the number of people really starts to play into the statistics of it all. I know. Exactly. So having that early victory of just looking at the table, having this moment of gratitude that you’re bringing this many people together at one table and everybody of all ages is having a great time. I was like, man, all of a sudden I’m getting a good feeling about this. I’m starting to feel confident that this was awesome, and you know what? That I’m an awesome dad. Okay, there’s when you went wrong. I mean, not that you’re not, but I’m saying- I’m an awesome dad for doing this. Pride comes before the fall. It made me feel good when the parents of Lincoln’s friends before we went would say to us, “Are you sure you’re gonna do this?” Yeah. “Thank you for doing this.” And I was like, “No, this’ll be fun.” But they like enhanced my trepidation. So we bought, you know, our high school friend, lifelong friend Eric, you know, lives out there. He hooked us up with buddy passes. Getting that many ski passes will set you back. So he achieved a discount, but that meant we had to like buy all the passes up front. So like, I was buying snowboard lessons for Lincoln and his friends ’cause Lincoln’s only skied. And they wanted to learn how to snowboard. Right. And then I’m buying passes for like three days for everybody else. Lily even said she wanted to ski, get back on the skis. I thought she was done, but I was like, okay, this is good. So I had to buy all of the lift tickets in advance for all of the days. And of course after the first day, they’re learning how to snowboard. And then there’s certain people who just like, I don’t know if this is for me. Man, learning the snowboard, I don’t care how old you are, it’s really, really tough. You remember when we learned to snowboard? As teenagers it was just like… I think we were in college when we learned to snowboard, because we- Sophomore year in college. Yeah, it was a group of like six or eight guys and we went somewhere and we like, we stayed in this condo that probably had like one or two beds. And so we learned how to snowboard. No classes. We didn’t even know it was a thing. We didn’t know you could do that. And we definitely wouldn’t have paid for it. Ooh, no, no, no. We weren’t paying for anything. We did buy our own snowboards. We were like committed to it in that way. Snowboard, snowboard boots. Of course, no helmets at the time. And I remember after falling on my hands and my wrists and busted my ass and just like… ‘Cause on a snowboard you either fall forward and catch yourself or you fall backward and catch yourself with your butt. Couldn’t do it. But you did do it. And that night we had to sleep on the floor of that condo. And I remember being in… When I woke up, I just, the pain of everything is what woke me up. And I was so stiff. I was a sophomore in college, you know, I had a lot of… I had some, I wouldn’t say athletic prowess, but I had some, you know, I was a young and sprite. You were a 19 year old person. I was 19. I couldn’t get off the floor. Like, talking like an 88 year old man. I couldn’t get off the floor. 88? Yeah, that’s what I felt like. That’s specific. That’s exactly what I felt like. The boys didn’t have it that bad. I was kind of disappointed- They didn’t go hard. They didn’t go hard, because they had an instructor and they actually said it was boring and useless. Do you know what the biggest difference actually, besides the instructor, was? Me not being there. Location. We learned on the icy hard pack slopes of North Carolina. They learned on the froo froo fluffy slopes of the Rocky Mountains. And let me tell you… There is so much snow. Like, coming out of the driveway of the place we stayed, which had been, you know, they maintained it throughout all the snows. It was clear, but then on either side, I’m talking easily four and a half feet of snow on either side of the driveway. Everywhere. Like on top of the roof. And it was just… When we arrived and we were like getting, like looking around the house, all of a sudden we heard something that sounded like a cataclysmic earthquake. And it was the snow falling off the roof of the house. That’ll kill you. There was a hot tub there and it fell on the hot tub, which the cover was on the hot tub. But there was so much snow that fell off, it collapsed the cover, and it just filled the hot tub with snow, which is not conducive to hotness of tub. No, but that kid that had never seen snow before, that was pretty cool. That was pretty cool for him. That kid. That’s his first experience. Right. So by day two, I noticed when I was going out with Lando skiing and the boys were doing some more snowboarding, there were a couple of- Hold on, so you’re skiing at this point? I’m skiing with Lando. Got it. And his friend and Alex and Tara. Lily elected not to go out the first day. I was like, fine, whatever. “I bought you this lift ticket, but we have an extra day on the end so you can use your three days starting tomorrow.” And then I was like, I gotta let go of this. People just gotta do what they gotta do. What about the boyfriend? Is he skiing? Yeah, he’s out there. Okay. Balls to the wall. Got it. And yeah, it’s occurring to me some people are… They’re gonna discover that it’s not for them. That happened. Day two, Christy’s like, “I’m gonna make a run to the grocery store.” Two of Lincoln friends are like, “Oh, we’re gonna go with you and do that.” You know you don’t wanna snowboard when you’re like, “I’m gonna go with your mom to the grocery store.” Two of the four- Two of ’em, yeah. Dropped out on day two. Yeah. And so I’m like, I’m not gonna guilt them about this, you know, I don’t wanna push ’em. But now I got these passes that I’m not using and I’m thinking- Should have pushed ’em. Well I didn’t buy… I can go another day now. And then I’m like with… I’ll just use one… Because it’s like a credit card. And with the credit card, then, you know, they just scan it and you get on the lift and then you’re up there and like… And it has the number of days on it that you bought. So I’m like, the third day we went out, was when I was like today I’m gonna snowboard. I haven’t snowboarded in over a decade. I wanna ski with Lincoln. He’s going out with the friends that there’s like three other guys. The non-grocery guys. Yeah. One of ’em went back and snowboarded the third day. Real quick, just to interject, I’m not saying you should have done this. I’m just telling you what I would’ve done. Because that second day discouragement is such a real thing. That night after day one, while you’re all at dinner, you give a speech, you give a dad speech and you say, “Guys, tomorrow you’re gonna wake up and you’re not… You’re very likely gonna be a little bit sore. It’s gonna be like, do I have to get cold again? Do I have to put on this gear? And you’re gonna be faced with resistance to doing this a second day.” You’re gonna be tempted to grocery shop. But here’s the thing, if you get through the resistance of day two and the resistance of day three, you are securing for yourself a potential lifetime of enjoyment of this hobby. But you gotta get through these first couple of days. And then they wake up and they feel a little bit of shame. And then they go and they do it again. They don’t go to the grocery store. Yeah. I didn’t wanna be that guy who was gonna… That didn’t work well with my own family, so I didn’t want to put it on like Lincoln’s friends. ‘Cause again, I’m the superhero dad, I’m the cool dad. I’m anything, hey, anything, if you don’t wanna go, you don’t have to go. You know, I’m the cool dad. And plus, I started to calculate, some of us who wanna go for a fifth day, we weren’t planning on snowboarding on a Friday or skiing. And then Lincoln was loving it. And after day two, he was like, “I think this is my favorite thing that I’ve done.” So snowboarding compared to skiing, or just being on the slopes? It seemed like compared to anything, but like definitely snowboarding over skiing. He loved it. So I was like, I wanna go out with you the third day. And now, because some people didn’t go out yesterday, I’ve got… Let’s see. Michael has a pass, he has another credit. So I can use that. And so it was me, it was Lincoln, two of his friends and me on the snowboard for the first time in over a decade. And we snowboarded out of the house and I determined, well, my pass, if Michael wants to go out tomorrow, I need to use his pass today instead of using it tomorrow, because that way he has the option to go out with his pass and I can use my pass tomorrow, his today. So I took his. And I’m kind of concerned about am I gonna… Is it like riding a bike? Snowboarding. And you ski from the house, you ski down to this little lift that nobody goes on, to like, it’s kind of in a weird spot, to really get you to the main space. So like, we skied down, snowboarded down to that. I was feeling okay. I got on the lift with Lincoln, his two other friends behind us. And I’m feeling a little trepidated here. You know. I did break my pelvis and receive a concussion and I lost eight hours of my life as a result of, permanently. But I gave it back to you. You did, many times over. In many forms. And the rest of the viewing audience. But when we get up to the front of the line, boop boop, I’m in front of the boys, and there’s like somebody scanning everybody, you know, 25 year old woman. Boop, boop. Scans me first. Uh uh. No, it scanned. And she said, “Sir, what’s your name?” When someone asks you your name and it takes you a long time to answer. I think that throws up red flags because at that moment, when she was like, “Sir, what’s your name?” It occurred to me for the first time that this might happen. I was no way prepared. I had no story. I had nothing. I just didn’t think. I was like, they’re gonna scan it, I’m gonna go on. It’s a credit. I paid for it. And so, and then I’m thinking… I’m thinking a lot right now instead of telling her what my name is. Right, and she’s coming to conclusions about you. And so I’m like, “Michael.” His name was Michael after all. The name on the card. Because I could see her look at the scanner. It’s like the scanner had a thing on, like a screen on it. Okay. I was like, Michael’s name popped up and I was like, “Michael.” And of course that had been a lot longer than it needed to be for me to produce my name. Okay, hold on Michael, one second. You’re saying that you got these tickets through our friend. But they… Who’s not Michael. No, it’s Eric. But everybody’s ticket had their name on it. Matter of fact, they wrote the name on it so everyone could keep their right credit card in their pocket and not get ’em mixed up. So why did you… I don’t understand where the Michael comes from. Because it was Michael’s card and I knew that when she’s looking at the scanner, that his name popped up. You just kind of mixed all the cards up. It’s like, it didn’t matter who gets what card? No, Rhett. I told you. I picked Michael’s card up to use that day because he didn’t use it… Oh okay, yeah. I missed that part. He wasn’t using it that day. Got it. So she said, “Sir, what’s your name?” Tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick. Boom. Michael. And then she says, she’s like, “Well…” And then I’m like, what do I, what do I say now? And then she’s like, “Well, sir, this is…” And then I was like, “Oh, this must be my… I must have got my son’s card instead of my card.” Is his name Michael? And I turned around to the boys, Lincoln and his friends, who were watching this all happen. And I turned to them and I was like, “Guys, I got the wrong card. I got little Michael’s card. Oh, no! No. No, Link. And… Little Michael, Michael Jr. Oh no! And so then as I’m turning back around from the boys, you know, I just thought that would play off, “Hey boys, you know what? You’re gonna have to go up the mountain without me. I got little Michael’s card.” And as I’m turning back… That was pretty good though. Good thinking. Little Michael. Turning back to the woman, she said, “Sir, what’s your last name?” And I did not know Michael’s last name. So, what I heard myself say to the woman was, “What’s going on here?” Hold on, you said that? I said that. And then I heard myself say it, I’m like, oh, that’s how you’re playing this. You’re escalating this. And… Hold on. You took in like an aggressive posture? I’d noticed that was happening. You’re such a strange man. And I said… She said, “Sir, can I see your ID?” I was like, “I don’t have it.” Huh, little Michael has it. And then she said, “Can I see your phone with some form of… Like your name connected with anything on your phone?” And I was like, “I’m not giving you my phone.” You said that? I said that. Something about the way that she… I felt like she was trapping me and I think I got angry, but you know what you think I was, I was getting kind of embarrassed. Maybe. A little bit. So I said, “I’m not giving you my phone.” And she said, “Sir, can you step outta line with me?” How many people are in line? I don’t know. 75. Maybe a hundred. At this point it’s getting longer. Do you have a hat on? I have on a helmet. Good. I have on goggles. Great. Yeah, for real. So you could be anybody. You could be little Michael. It’s hard to tell behind all that. She said, “Sir, you’re not 17 years old.” Ah, I knew it! Did you go keep going with that? Well, actually I am. She said that as we were walking out of the line, as I was being escorted out through the ropes, just to the outside. Still where everyone could see me. You know, this is not a private location. “Sir, you’re not 17.” And I was like, oh, shit. Not only is his name associated with it, his last name is associated with it and his freaking age is associated with it. His birthdate is on here. Yeah. So she pulls me outta line. Common knowledge. The boys are going on this lift at this point. Oh, they’re going on without you. I told ’em to, you know? Yeah, you don’t stand here and watch this. Yeah, I was like, guys, please look away. Look away. Forget this as quickly as possible. And yeah, I told him- Did Lincoln say anything to you as he was- They didn’t say anything. I did not make eye contact with my son or his friends because- Guys, go on. Little Michael’s gotta figure this out on his own. Super Dad was melting into a puddle, after being escorted to the side. And they call in reinforcements and another fully suited employee shows up. And I’m like, oh shit, what am I gonna do? This is aggressive. As I was walking outta the line, I was like, “What’s happening here?” You said that? Yeah, I was like, “What is happening here?” Hold on. So, you escalated again? Yep. Okay. Can we pause and talk- Well let me just tell you… Okay. It was as if I was hearing myself say it and then observing that this is what… This is the decisions that someone else is making. It was an out-of-body experience. They called in reinforcements. And then I was like, what am I gonna do? Am I gonna get arrested? Well, I’ve seen the videos. Am I gonna get escorted off the mountain? Are they gonna call in the cops? Like, is this illegal what I’ve done? I mean, I’m impersonating a 17 year old who I know not his last name. And so I was like, oh crap, I gotta change gears here. So I took my goggles off, put my goggles up, and I said… She had a name tag on. I’m not gonna call her by real name. “Angie,” I said… That’s not her real name. Honestly, I don’t remember her real name ’cause I wanna forget her entirely. Just like I hope she forgets me entirely. But something tells me that ain’t gonna happen. Yeah. Because I said, I put my goggles up. You know, at this moment, this is like, I’m getting real with you. And I said, “Angie, my name’s Link. I lied to you. I lied to you.” And the other guy, the other employee at this point says, “Link from Rhett and Link?” Man. I don’t know if this is getting worse or better. “What’s up, man? What is up?” And I gave him a fist bump and I’m thinking, hey, all right, I got this, I got this now. It’s both good and bad. Just so you understand. Both good and bad. But like, please make this better. And then I turned to Angie and I’m like expecting like… I’m embarrassed, but yeah, it’s me, you know, that guy from the internet? The only thing she says with a blank face is, “Sir, I need to take your card.” Or, “I need to take Michael’s card.” And then I sheepishly took it outta my pocket and just handed it to her. And I’m like, “Yeah, you know, he’s here, he didn’t wanna ski, I just thought I could take…” And then I’m going into the truth. But it was way too late for her. I don’t even know if she was still there as I was explaining this to the fan employee, who I thought could be… Who would be like, “Hey man, don’t worry about it. Yeah, Michael’s not skiing today. You’re using his and you’ll use yours tomorrow.” They take this very seriously. This is like, just so you understand, this is like one of the only things that Angie cares about. Like, one of the- Clearly. Her job is to do what she’s doing. The reason that she’s there is to scan you in and make sure that you are the person who you are. She’s probably rewarded for catching people who are trying to impersonate others. It’s like all of a sudden you’re expecting Angie to not do her job. I didn’t steal the card, was all I’m saying. I reallocated the purchase that I had made to myself from someone who was never gonna use it, which is what I explained to the ticket counter when I took the walk of shame from the line. Because at that point I was like, “I’ll figure this out, I apologize.” And I walked away. Honestly, I walked away because I didn’t wanna stay there and get like, arrested or something. And so I took that walk of shame over to the ticket booth and had like a 17 minute conversation with the guy trying to get him to transfer the Michael’s day to my card. And also- That you also had. No. Also print me a new card. Okay. Which I did succeed at that. And then I’m like communicating with the boys. They finally ski back down and I get in line with ’em and I got on the lift and I had to go by Angie to get on the lift. And I was like looking the other way, and like, she’s scanning me and I’m like, oh God, is she gonna recognize me? And what did she do? She didn’t say anything. She was in a conversation while she was booping. Which if that would’ve happened the first time, I would’ve got through. Of course, then I would’ve come back down and it would’ve happened again and again and again. I just didn’t think through any of this. I’m innocent, I tell you. That’s evident. I’m innocent. Yeah I’m guilty, but I did it in a very innocent way. I’m like the most innocent guilty person on the slopes today is what I’m feeling. Mm, okay. And I’m not trying to put this on Angie, but the way she did it really hurt my feelings. I mean, she’s like, “Sir, what’s your name?” She’s like, trapping me. “What’s your last name?” Like she knew from the beginning that I was not 17. Why didn’t she say, “Sir, the card you have is for a 17 year old, so there’s some problem here.” And then yeah, I could have lied. I would’ve still lied. There’s some problem here. At least she would’ve been like, “Sir, the card I scanned is a 17 year old card.” Like, she could’ve given me the benefit of the doubt. I just, I feel like I deserve that. This is an interesting take away. I’m looking around the room for support. No one’s helping me. I’m glad I don’t have a microphone today. Yeah, I elected not to give you a microphone today. No, I didn’t, but… Wow, okay. That’s an interesting take, that Angie trapped you. She humiliated me. Well, no, I think you did that all on your own, Michael. The thing that… Okay, so first of all… Didn’t know…. Yeah. And if I would’ve said I knew his last name, it wouldn’t have helped. The initial choice to use somebody else’s card because you have an extra day. Okay, we’ve all been there, we’ve all done something like this, right? Okay. Yeah. Now, you, I think you do… Well, some people know that the information associated with the person, their name and their birthday, is gonna show up on the scanner. I should have known that. You know what, because I’m the one who provided all that information when I bought the tickets. Like, I mean, birthdate, last names. But the most interesting part of this, and we’ve talked about this before, is your tendency to escalate. Escalate. That’s the most interesting part of this thing. ‘Cause I was embarrassed. But there’s a need… Like, it’s not calculated. You’re not like I’m gonna go be an asshole. There’s a… I didn’t have any… When she’s like, “What’s your last name?” I mean, I’m not telling you. I mean like, what else am I supposed to say? Well, there’s a number of things. Like what? I’d already dug the hole. I was in it. So like she’s staring down at me in this hole that I’ve dug and she’s like, “Hey what’s your last name down there, huh?” She’s taunting me at this point. She knows I’m not 17. And so she’s like, “Oh, it’s little Michael?” Hold on. “Well then what’s little Michael’s last name?” That’s what I’m taking issue with. Hold on. Hold up, we need to move- She’s making a fool outta me. And yeah, I can do that on my own. Okay, that’s blame shifting. I can do that on my own. I take all the blame. That’s blame shifting. Angie is not at fault here. But she added more. Okay. But I think the thing… Here’s the thing. I think the thing that I’m trying to get to is the- And if it was a man, I’d be saying the same thing, Jenna. It doesn’t have to do with gender. Definitely does not have to do… That’s exactly what I’m saying. It’s that you have failed. Okay, okay. I’m not… Well, what I think the lesson- I’m still humiliated and it’s happening again. No, here’s what- It’s happening again! Here’s what we need to. As your friend, here’s what I think we should do. Y’all are stupid. Y’all suck. Okay. I need some support. You are gonna find yourself in these types of situations again, right? It might be your wife gets… My kid and his friends were watching. Run over by a spring break football player. You know, that happened one time. It might be- What are you thinking? It might be a guy does something weird in traffic. And then you roll down the window… Or a guy who got mad at us. There was a guy who got mad at me for something I did, I was driving, and he rolled down the window and started cursing me out. And my reaction is always nothing. And you rolled down the window and were like, “What’s your problem?” Or something like that. No, I was like, “Have you not ever done something wrong in traffic?” Yeah. So a tendency to escalate. I guess what I’m saying is that because this is a natural reaction, right? It’s not coordinated, planned, right? I think the thing maybe that you can do in the future- This is not who I wanna be, Rhett. No, but listen. But it’s very difficult to change something that’s instinctual. But what you can do is you can learn to recognize when you are in a situation where your natural tendency might be to escalate, like, oh, this is a person of authority in some regard. Or this could become… This moment, this situation could escalate. And so I’m just gonna keep… First thing to do, put a smile on your face. Start smiling. And that actually changes your posture and it actually influences your mood. And it obviously influences the person’s perception of this. And then while you’re smiling and they’re being disarmed, you can begin to think about reasonable responses to the situation. What’s that, you say? My name? Well, give me a moment to smile. Yeah. And now what you’re doing is you can begin to develop a new neural pathway where it’s like- My name is… I’m not gonna dig a big hole right now. Link. And I would say almost always- Maybe you’ve heard of him. I can think of very few times in life when you’re asked a question like what is your name, where you shouldn’t just give your actual name. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That’s a bad start. Yeah, I think that’s… Yeah, when you said Michael. That’s the name on the card. I thought that was gonna be the end of it. What’s your name? Michael. Boop boop, zoom. Nope. Nope. See, the thing that Christy… Jenna wants a mic so bad. Is there not another mic? There is. I’ll let you let me have it. Hook up the mic. But before you… I’m gonna take this opportunity to continue to defend myself. I appreciate the advice, Rhett. I don’t think it’s wrong at all. Oh crap, what was… Because it’s such a natural thing for you. Like, I’m not saying that I don’t do that because I’ve like thought about it. It’s just my natural response in any escalated situation is to minimize and diffuse, so I don’t get myself into those situations. Here’s the thing- But that’s your natural instinct, so you just have to recognize when it’s happening so you can back off in the moment. I appreciate your take. I mean, she’s not cruel about it. It’s gentle ribbing but Christy’s like, “You can’t do anything on your own. You need to be watched, you need to be assisted, you need to be…” And you know what? I’m very grateful for the assistance that I have. And yeah, maybe… I don’t know if she’s right in this case though. Maybe, I think the… It’s not that I think the world revolves around me, it’s that I didn’t think at all. I was just going with the flow, baby. I mean, it has nothing to do… This is me talking to Christy. It has nothing to do with me being some sort of internet celebrity or thinking that I can just… I can get away with anything because I’m something… No, no, no, no, no. That thought honestly was not in my head. But I think Christy’s point was, yeah, but it’s in your practice. This is the life that you live. This is like… You just stroll through it. I mean, listen… Do you feel my pain on this point at least? Yeah, I don’t have a… I don’t necessarily share her perspective on that. Thank you. But, not thinking about things, big time. Like that…. I’m scared, I’m on vacation. I’m skiing. But also, like… I was thinking about a lot of things, like, I got 10 people to dinner. Yes, I didn’t make that reservation. I had nothing to do with it. Yes, Christy and my assistant made the reservation. Well, yeah, she’s got a point. She’s got a point. But I did, I was there and I created a vibe. Well, what I’m getting at is, so things like that, like, I think you have a tendency to not anticipate how… Like, making that decision, there’s a real quick decision tree, right, that’s built, that’s like, okay, yes, I could take advantage of this kid’s ticket and then maybe we get an extra day or something like that. I could utilize the ticket that I bought. Right, right, right. But that’s one step down the decision tree. Yeah. And then you have to actually go out on the next two limbs. Yeah, what are the ramifications. One of those is this will go off without a hitch. And the other is this is going to complicate things at some point and create a potentially embarrassing moment where I’m going to be found out or called out. Never got there. Of course, obviously at this point right. And my brain is always like thinking about all the things that could go wrong. That’s why I get anxious about travel. And you see, that’s what Christy does. Christy is like, she’s an instinctual… Like she follows the path to… She can explore the worst case scenario as well as the best case scenario. And she’s always prepared for the worst case scenario. Well, it’s funny because she’s- And that’s one of the great things that I benefit from. But one of the… You’re both self-preservation. You have a self-preservation thing, which I also have, but your self-preservation manifests itself- In skiing in as many days as I can. In things like I gotta bring a blanket to this event. Yeah. I gotta be warm enough. You’re gonna show up and you’re gonna have a blanket and you’re gonna have slippers and you’re gonna be hydrated. I have a water bottle in my pocket with the right type of electrolytes in it. But here’s the thing I think you don’t think about is your self-preservation instinct does not extend to your interactions with people. That’s how I would characterize it. Nope, absolutely not. It’s like your interactions- And thinking of worst case scenarios isn’t fun. It’s hard. But what I’m saying is- It’s a downer. For me, I’m just just like- These things are related. I’m gonna ski, and you know what? I bet you it’ll be fine. And if I can just get on this lift then… And if I would’ve been like, had this whole contingency plan and like developed a story, that would’ve just made me anxious and like all of that would’ve been nothing. I’m sitting on the ski lift going up with my boys, and like thinking all of that anxiety, all of that planning, all of that effort wasn’t worth it. Right, but here… Okay, I’m gonna say- Now I was wrong about all that. I’m gonna say something that may sound like I’m reinforcing something that your wife said. And that would be okay. And I’m riffing here, but I’m saying all this in love, with the hope that you will, you know, not find yourself in this situation again. So going back to the self-preservation thing, right? So your self-preservation tendency does not extend to your potential interactions with people. And so one of the things that might be true about what Christy is saying is- ‘Cause I don’t care what people think about me. You don’t care what people think about you. And while there’s a positive side to not caring what people think about you, there’s a negative side to not caring what people think about you. Because people are the other beings that we have to interact with. And so, thinking about how someone is going to receive you, thinking about how someone is going to interpret what you’re doing or what you’re saying… Sometimes I think you might be like, I’m myself, I don’t care what people think. Well, yeah, but you have to interact with another person who’s gonna receive you in a certain way. And so, in this scenario- I didn’t hurt Angie. No, but hold on. But I’m just trying… I think maybe what Christy is saying is that it seems like you’re like, I don’t care about anybody except me. I don’t think that’s true. And I don’t think she’s saying that as well. I think she’s saying that there might be some like preexisting thing because we both have created a life where we have a, you know… And this happens, like CEO brain, that’s a real thing. Like where you have a lot of people who figure shit out for you on a regular basis and you become… Dependent. Not only do you become less good at doing things for yourself, but you become less good at considering other people. This is a very common thing, right. And it’s something that we both have to be… We both have to watch out for. I don’t think that I go through like hurting people, like hurting their feelings or- On purpose. This is what I’m saying. Wait, but I didn’t hurt Angie’s feelings at all. Like, I may… This might be what she was living for. I think it is. I think that she loves her job so that she can trap idiots like me because I felt that’s what she did. I don’t think that- What’s your name? Just first name now. Jenna, are you ready? Because you’ve been biting your tongue over there. I’ve been waiting patiently. I’m open to feedback. I think there is one variable that hasn’t been mentioned yet, that should be considered, is you are a grown man who has just given Angie a child’s, an underage boy’s ski pass. Little Michael. So she is like, “Okay, what’s your name?” And when you don’t know the last name, that’s an indication that- Well I barely knew the first name. Yeah, that you did not know the last name is an indication that you are not related to this boy. You do not know this boy. Yeah, but I said I was. But you said… But you clearly weren’t ’cause you’re a terrible liar. Yeah, that’s also true. I think if you had just been honest- You don’t think little Michael was good work? I think it was bad from the start. You should have just been honest and been like, oh, this is my son’s, my son’s friend’s, I didn’t grab mine when we left the lodge, whatever. Yeah, that’s what I should have said. And that would’ve probably worked. That would’ve also been a lie. No, that’s basically the truth. Okay, yeah, that’s the truth. Because yeah, you- I didn’t do it accidentally. Oh, you know what? I didn’t say accidentally. I grabbed off my son’s friend, his name is Michael. Don’t know his last name, Angie. But I have it and here we go. Yeah. I didn’t say you did it accidentally. I said that- And if I would have thought ahead of time, Bingo! And developed some sort of plan, that would’ve been- If I get caught, I’m going to just say, “Oh, I’ve got the wrong ticket,” and I’ll turn around. I didn’t have room in my life for a contingency plan. I don’t… Okay, what else, Jenna? Well, it’s just an easy… Like, it was the truth. The truth is easier to say in that situation. But yeah, then you get yourself- Always. I agree with that. Truth is always easier. I’m not defending… Am I defending what… Any of my actions? No, you’re saying that Angie’s reaction was wrong. No, I’m critiquing her approach, but I know… You can’t control her. It’s underage boys. You can’t control how she’s gonna react to it, right? Right, right. You can only control how you’re… And the only thing I’m pointing out- Listen, and I’m playing it up a little bit. I felt like… I’m not really coming after Angie. I’m coming after Angie a little bit for the comedic effect, okay? Yeah, so funny. Like, I acknowledged that I was really embarrassed because of the decisions that I made. Yep, right. And it was pretty deep. It went pretty deep. I humiliated myself. And I don’t know that she trapped me, but I felt a little trapped. I think that her… When you went back through the line and you had your pass again, and her being in the middle of a conversation and not looking at you was completely intended. Like, she definitely meant- So you think she’s graceful? I think she knew how embarrassing that was for you and was allowing you to pass without giving you a hard time about it. Well, I’m willing to let her off the hook, but I’m not willing to make her the hero of the story. I don’t think she’s the hero, but I think she was like, dang, that was a really embarrassing situation that happened. I’m not gonna bring it up again to that man. He could just go, oh look, he’s got his own pass now, he can go on through- I’m not really comfortable you calling me a man. Well, that is how other people view you. What do you wanna be called? You are a man and a 17 year old boy is an under age- No, call me little Michael from now on. Yeah, I’m a man child. No, it just does make me feel like a little Michael in this instance. I think maybe you’re underestimating how easy this would be to rectify. Like you don’t… Or to circumvent. This is not a… Yeah, to prevent from happening in the future. Like, it actually doesn’t take… Well it took 17 minutes at the ticket counter. I’m just saying that thinking like, oh, okay, I’m going to this event, I’m going on this trip, I’m about to experience this particular situation, yes, I’m gonna think about the things that I need to have in place in order for me to have a good time. But I also need to think about the following things may occur in this situation. And like, you’re shaking your head like you’re never gonna think like that. Like, it’s not that hard though. I know. I know. It’s not that hard. Like, the one thing that you prepare for, When you decided to use a different ticket, it was like, okay, today I’m doing one thing that’s a little bit shady. What is this- I’m impulsive. What is this shady thing? I’m not even taking issue with the shady thing that you did. I didn’t do anything… Well, okay. It is shady. It is shady. It’s against policy. And I wouldn’t have done it just because… Not out of some moral obligation. Just because I’m like I don’t wanna deal with the potential inconvenience- You think about the future, man. But I’m saying I don’t think it’s- This is on you. Because you’re the future guy. I’m the present guy. Well, I wasn’t there. I know, but you… I have been trained to not have to think about the future. Between you and Christy… But here’s the thing that ends up happening. Are you blaming Rhett? Here’s the thing that happens though. Here’s the thing that I don’t think you appreciate is that people who love you and are in close relationships with you, they have to think about the future for you. And that’s a burden that I don’t think you appreciate. But some of ’em get paid to do that. I don’t get paid to do it. That’s true, I do. I don’t get paid to take care of you. But I’m saying- Do you feel like you babysit me? And don’t answer that. Okay, yeah. And you know what? I can’t tell you not to answer something that I asked you a question. I feel like such a jerk today. It’s okay. Listen. It’s okay. Listen, I just wanna take a sidebar for one second. Okay. You can cut this outta the edit, but don’t. Please. I feel like I’m portraying myself as a baby jerk, as a big baby jerk. And I’m making fun of myself, okay? I know all these things you’re saying. I also welcome the feedback, but in this context, I’m also making fun of myself. Is that okay? Is that okay? I’m not as… Yeah, and no one’s- Just, are people gonna say that I’m a, like… How am I coming across here? People are gonna say whatever they’re gonna say because, listen, have you seen what they say about me? Don’t worry about what people say. I’m of course not actually blaming you, but I’m toying with the… I am acknowledging that I want… I’m glad that you were going scuba diving so that we can now go together so that I’m not the one in total charge. Like, I’m not comfortable being in charge of my own wellbeing a lot of times, much less other people. Like, I felt like I was on top of the world. I was like facilitating 10 people having an experience of a lifetime, including myself. And I wasn’t the only one, but I was part of that. And I felt like that was good for me. Like, that was, hey, I thought about the logistics of this. I think you succeeded. I’m working this out. It sounds like a great trip that you had an embarrassing- It was a great trip. You had an embarrassing moment and I think it’s great that we’re all laughing about because that’s all we can do after the fact, is just like, dang, that was real embarrassing. But yes, I do have a tendency to, like… When we go scuba diving, I’m like, you could die doing this. Like, if I don’t remember some of the stuff that I’ve been trained to do, like what if something happened to Lincoln because of me? I’m like, I better bring Chase. I mean, honestly, I should have been pushing harder for you to get scuba certified for that reason. That’s a good tendency. Recognizing that you have some challenges in that area is great. But I’m just saying that I think that there are some aspects of the way that this story unfolded, that the solution is not a chaperone. Okay. That’s all I’m saying. I’ll accept that. I mean, I’ll accept a week ski trip to chaperone. I won’t say no to that, so… A little enablement goes a long way, Jenna. Yeah, yeah. Christy and I can hang out, it’ll be fun. And the thing- And have opinions about me. Is that what you’re saying? No. The thing that you’re not gonna be able to avoid is finding yourself in these situations. Because even if you say like, you know what- I’ve got a good heart. I’m not gonna do- I’ve got a good heart. Yeah, but that’s not all that matters. That’s what I’m getting at. The point I’m… it’s like having great intentions. I think is what matters most. Well, yeah, but how does somebody receive your actions is actually a thing, is a part of being a human. And so I’m saying that- I don’t think I would be exploring this story at all and being like, making fun of myself and exploring all of this in every way that we are- You’re not a bad person. If I had hurt somebody. I think you’re missing my point. Yeah. I’m saying that the thing, sometimes you don’t think about how this thing will unfold. I’m not talking about Angie’s feelings. I’m talking about a situation with a person, it’s like, oh, I’m making a decision right now that might lead to an uncomfortable interaction. An interaction in which someone might be offended or have their feelings hurt. Me. Exactly. And what happens is… Well, I think you get into those situations and like the reason you escalate it is because you go into self-preservation mode in the midst of the interaction, and what that person’s thinking and what that person’s feeling is not on your radar. And I’m saying that I actually… So it’s not that you didn’t care about Angie, it’s that you are like, okay, you don’t think oh, this girl’s trying to do her job and I just need to be honest with her and admit my fault. You immediately like, “Why you wanna see my phone?” You’re doing it without even thinking about it, is what I’m saying. I think the most interesting thing is asking the question of like, why is that your reaction? Like, why is that the reaction that you have in the midst of that? Because if you would figure out what that is- It doesn’t happen all the time. Well, I think it happens more than you perceive that it happens. I see it happening with other people and I’m like, he didn’t see how that came off, but it’s fine. It’s fine. He doesn’t mean… He means well. It’s not like you’re like, I’m gonna go out and I’m gonna intentionally do things, but because… Again, what your greatest strength is can be your greatest weakness. So not caring about what people think is one of the things that makes you you, makes you entertaining, makes you fun, makes people interested in the things that you’re gonna say and do, your unpredictability. All that stuff is a positive. But when you have that strength, you have to consider how that strength can become a weakness in certain situations. And that doesn’t mean that you’re trying to, oh, I’m gonna be less of myself. It just means, oh, me being myself sometimes might get me into a situation where I end up having to say something that is hurtful or uncalled for. And so I just need to be cognizant of that. I have my own shit that I deal with. It’s a different thing. I might be too much on the people pleasing side. And so sometimes there are times when I need to stand up for myself or I need to say something. We all have our own shit, I’m just saying it’s a strength, but you need to think about what the negative thing, the negative aspect of it is. And I think if you do, you’ll find, oh, I’m in one of those situations right now. I recognize that and now I can actually think about what I’m gonna do, how I’m gonna proceed. Do you think… Okay. Alright. Before I ask something else… Okay, I’m gonna take a little breath here. Thank you for the feedback. Do you think that the conversation that I had, was it last night that we went to that movie? No, night before last. I’m just trying to think of another example. Like, when I was talking to the guy beside… Like, it was you, then me and then the guy on the left who was on his phone that I started talking to. Do you think that there was something inappropriate about that conversation? That was an interesting guy. I was trying to think, was he really cold to me because of how I was coming off to him? Or was that on him or was that on me? Because I observed it like he was… He had the strangest, driest sense of humor or he was the meanest person I’ve ever struck up a conversation with. And was that my fault? Yes. Okay, so let… Because I actually wanted to talk to you about this. So here we get to talk about it on the podcast. Really? Because I’m thinking about it too. I’m like, I’m having… Here’s this guy. We’re sitting at a movie premiere, me, you and this guy. He’s not with anybody else. There’s an empty seat beside him. I’m gonna be friendly. Right, but your idea of friendly is coming out of the gate with some aggression sometimes. Now here’s the thing, you don’t- What was the aggression? Like, aggressively friendly? No, no. I wasn’t mean. I was being friendly. But yeah, I will acknowledge… I come on strong, but I wouldn’t call it aggression. You were busting his balls a little bit. And then when you began to think that he was busting your balls- I thought he bust my balls first. Now you’re busting his balls. Again, this is not always a bad thing. But yeah, well listen, here’s the… The thing I wanted to talk to you about is not that I’m that concerned about you potentially digging a hole with somebody and having to dig yourself out of it. And then maybe, oh, by the end of the night you’re best friends, maybe. That can happen, right? I wasn’t impersonating anybody. I can’t remember how I started the conversation. But I’m with you. Like, you’re with another person, right? And this wasn’t that big of a deal because we’re sitting there and you’re talking to the guy. But I think it’s emblematic of a type of interaction that can happen in public, which is like… And I think about this a lot. I’m like, okay, I’m going into this situation. Rhett and Link are going together into this social situation. We’re gonna meet somebody, and we met that other… We met that couple right when we walked in. Yeah. And I’m like, I know how this is gonna go. Link’s gonna take charge of the conversation. He’s gonna say some spicy things. He’s gonna talk about something. And like if he says something that is potentially offensive, that he doesn’t mean to, I have to be there to like monitor the situation and play like referee. And I don’t think you have any perception that that is something that happens. If you’ve told your wife about this, she’ll say yes, this is what I do when we go into situations. And so again, you’re a fun guy. There’s no questioning that like, oh, Link’s fun. I am wishing I didn’t bring this up. He’s gonna take the initiative and he’s… And with that situation, I’m like… As you were having that conversation with that guy, because you kept talking to him and you were… Do you remember how it started? I don’t remember the first question. I know he was on his phone. I was like, should I talk to him because he’s on his phone? And he was alone. But I heard the first couple things you said to him and I was like, mm, how’s this gonna go? Yeah, I don’t remember what it was. Because it was that movie “Air”, so I was like talking about… I was talking to you about do we need to be sneakerheads if we’re here because that guy thought we were sneakerheads, ’cause he said, “I didn’t know you guys were sneakerheads.” And then I’m like, are you… Oh, I asked him about his shoes. ‘Cause then I turned to him and I was like, “Are you wearing Nikes, ’cause this is a Nike movie.” I think that’s what I started the conversation. Right, but that’s not how you say things. You know what I’m saying? You come a little bit… I don’t think you perceive it sometimes, but you might be like, “Oh, Nikes. So you trying to fit in too.” Like you’ll say something that… Again, some people, I would say the majority of people are gonna respond like, oh, who’s this guy? Like, I’m gonna respond positively to this guy’s kind of vibe. But what I’m saying is that- And his response was, “I’m just wearing shoes. It doesn’t matter what you wear, you can wear anything. Don’t worry about what other people think. Just wear what you wanna wear.” And so he came in strong with a response. And I don’t wanna talk like- I’m like oh, I like this guy. I’m not saying that particular interaction. I’m just saying that as your best friend who is with you at a lot of these things, when we start walking up to somebody, the predominant thing on my mind is, what is Link gonna say to make this- Well that’s not fair to you and I’m sorry. And so I’m just saying that sometimes you don’t like… I don’t think you have a consideration for like, oh, I’m gonna come in here and I’m gonna say whatever the hell I want to, ’cause I’m myself and I’m gonna be myself whenever I go. And like, that’s a good thing. But like, you’re with somebody else. I guess I… Well, I appreciate you saying how this impacts you because my thing is like… My motive is to just spark up a conversation with somebody, just to just to have a good time. And not at their expense. I understand that, but I think you do that- So you know- I think sometimes you behave as if you’re the only one there. That’s what I’m saying. This is being real. No, I’m just saying. And again, I think it has, you know, you’re an only child. There’s things like- Damn. No, I’m being real here. It’s like, you know, I grew up with a brother. It’s just like, you can’t, like… You walk into a situation and you’re like, oh, the other guy’s here, I have to kind of like accommodate the fact that he’s here. And so sometimes you’ll be in a social situation and it’s just like, you’re coming in hot and it’s just like, all right, I’m gonna throw some shit out there and see where the cards fall and you guys can pick ’em up and do what you want to ’em. By the way, I think that’s why I… If we go to something, I split up. Because I don’t feel like… Yeah, I mean it’s like, you know, I don’t wanna… You know, you talk to who you want to talk to and the way that you want to talk to people and like I don’t… I’m much more concerned about you than the guy I was talking to in this instance. Like, the last thing I want is for you to feel like you gotta be my safety net. Well, but no, but I think the thing is like, I appreciate that and I do find myself at certain social situations where we split up, which is fine with me, where I’ll walk back up and I’ll walk into a conversation where it’s just like, oh, shit, Link is doing his thing right now. Well, it got really… I mean, I think about the little Dickie story from… There’s a number of stories like this. There’s a number of stories where I’ll kind of walk in. And again, there’s a good part to this. We’ve talked about it before. You take initiative in a social situation, you’ll go talk to anybody. Like, these are good qualities, but they’re qualities that have to be metered, and also considered as they happen in social situations. Because I don’t think the answer should be like, well, okay, Rhett feels like he’s gotta be like there to like, make sure things don’t go off the rails with me. So therefore I’m gonna always split up. I don’t think that’s the application. To me, the application would be like, I can enter into a social situation and actually before I say the thing that I’m thinking, like it… And sometimes I feel like there’s a tendency to be like, if I say or feel it, there’s a compulsion, I have to say or do it right now, because if I don’t, I’m repressing myself or something. I’m just saying it’s like, as an outsider looking in, I’m not saying that’s what’s going on. That’s how it seems. And so as I’m experiencing it, I’m like, oh man, it’s like… And then I think everyone else… So it’s almost like you come into a conversation and you are the catalyst. So you’re like, here’s what I’m gonna do. I’m gonna come into this social situation and I’ve got a magic trick. And so the first thing that’s gonna happen is my magic trick and then everyone else has to respond to my magic trick. Do you see what I’m saying? Like, that’s the dynamic that you’re unintentionally creating. And so as somebody who’s like right there with you, who’s your best friend coming into the situation, I’m like, all right, here we go. But I don’t think of it as a magic trick. I think of it as banter, cutting it up. I do think of it as a playground. I get it, and it can have a really great effect. I’m sitting next to a guy. I need to talk to this guy. What’s a fun way to talk to this guy? I’m thinking about how I decided, I told him, I said, “I was thinking about what shoes I was gonna wear to this thing and I decided that I should wear Nikes.” I wasn’t badgering him about his shoes. I was sharing about my shoes. I don’t remember the specifics of the conversation. No, well, I do, and that was it. So it was about my shoes. And that’s when his response was, “Well I don’t think you should care at all what they think about your shoes. Wear whatever shoes you wanna wear.” And then you were like, “Yeah, this isn’t sponsored by Nike. This is not a Nike movie.” Yeah, I’m just saying that- It kind of was, but not in… I’m just saying that my sense based on my intuition and experience with you is just like, am I gonna have to step in and make sure that Link doesn’t piss this guy off? But that rarely happens. That never happens. People might think I’m strange, but they’re not… I don’t think their feelings are gonna be hurt or they’re gonna get angry. Like, I’ve never gotten close to like getting in a fight with somebody. Except for, going back to the ski ticket, to Angie. Like I don’t… We’re now talking about something different that has nothing to do with aggression. And you use the word… You say that I aggressively try to connect, try to put myself out there. But I’m not aggressive towards people. I’m only telling you how I feel about it because you asked me did you feel like the… And I was like, well, actually yeah, I wanted to talk to you. I wasn’t gonna be like, “Hey, the way you interacted with that guy…” The thing I was gonna say is like, “Hey, next time we get ready to go into something, like, we have a conversation about how I feel when we go into a social situation.” Okay, and did we just have it? What do you hear me saying? I wanna make sure that you understand, because again, I’m not saying that you should be a different person. I’m just saying that who you are is something that you have to consider. When you come on so strong, it puts you in a position that you have to respond to. And if you wanna go to parties by yourself, and do whatever you want to and see where the cards fall… But I’m saying that like, when you go somewhere with me or with your wife or with a friend, like, just so you know, it is the thing they’re preoccupied with, is a sense of like, okay, is he gonna do something that kind of makes things a little bit awkward for what it feels like for his own entertainment? And maybe it is like a hey, I’m going to… I wanna connect with somebody. And it’s like, well- It is for my own entertainment. But hey, I’m also there. I’ve got interesting things to say as well. And people might be like, well, you can just say, why do you have to tell Link what he needs to say? It’s like… Sometimes when somebody creates- I’m monopolizing. Such a strong dynamic. Because I’ve got like, that’s not my personality. I kind of like, I got tall guy syndrome, right? We like, we’re already really big, so we make ourselves small a lot of times. And we don’t come on very strong. We come on kind of soft and then we get to know you. But when you’ve got somebody there who is coming on very, very strong, and you’re gonna always be there at these things, it’s just like, you set the dynamic in a way that then everyone else has to respond to. Everybody’s okay, like, alright, this guy’s weird. He’s saying weird things, he’s talking about my shoes, he’s, whatever it might be. And now everybody is responding to it. And so if you do that all the time, it can become kind of an exhausting thing for people who are with you all the time. That’s what I’m saying. In those social situations, I’m not saying that like it happens like on a daily basis. Yeah, I understand. Yeah, yeah. This is very much a social thing. This is the party thing. And this is different than the other thing. I tend to think that there is a root that… And listen, I’m not a therapist. Because I’m not gonna give any advice. My guess is that there is a rooted thing that causes you to find yourself in those kind of… Both of those social situations. I think it actually is a common root. That would be like, I’m gonna say this thing in this situation, like, I’m not taking my phone out, is the same, there’s a common root to like, I’m gonna come into this group and just say something that makes people feel uncomfortable because it’s kind of fun. And you know what, a lot of times it’s actually gonna lead to a stronger connection with somebody. I just don’t understand why… I mean, in my mind though, talking about the neurosis of me picking out the brand of shoe I’m gonna wear to this movie was something that I thought this guy would get a kick out of and he might enjoy meeting me. Yeah, but… All I’m saying is that there’s sort of a ribbing. Yeah. There’s a tone of like… There’s a type of person that gives people nicknames. You know what I’m saying? There’s a type of person that gives people nicknames. Me. You are that type of person. Is that a bad thing in and of itself? It is not a bad thing. But one of the things- I wouldn’t wanna demean someone with a nickname. Right, but here’s the thing, I think it’s not… Again, you have a good, you have a great heart. You’re not a bad guy, you’re not an asshole. But just, it’s something to be considered. People who give people nicknames, one of the ways that that can be interpreted is as they are orienting all the people in their lives according to the way that they see them. This guy is tall, stilt. You know, I’m just- I don’t give that many people nicknames. No, but I’m just saying- I only give employees nicknames. No, and it’s not bad, but I’m just… Jenna, can you help me out here? Am I saying anything that makes any sense? Oh. We’re at time, if you don’t wanna say… No, please do, please. Because listen, I don’t want this to be one of those things where… Again, I’m used to people talking shit about me, but like, I don’t want this to be like, the competition episode where I’m trying to get Link to see something negative about himself. I’m saying all these things out of love and you asked me the question. I think, Jenna, I want you to have the floor and I’m not gonna interrupt you. May I just respond to this? Oh, yes. I agree that this is helpful feedback that I asked for. This is helpful feedback. I asked for it. I think, and I’m fine with it being in this venue because I’m fine with that, and I don’t want… I think it’s good entertainment too. But this is a conversation that we could have on our own and it would be different because there’s not an entertainment value, but it is… I welcome it and it’s valuable. And I don’t think you should be criticized for it. Now, if that happens. Yeah. This is not about taking my side or his side. We are on the same side. Yes. We’re on the same side. Don’t pick a side. There’s only one side. I asked for this. And I find it very fascinating, and I would love to listen to a podcast of other people talking about it. That’s why I’m totally game to do it, ’cause I think it’s good content and it’s honest. But we are on the same side and I appreciate what you’ve said and I wanna hear what Jenna has to say. I agree, we’re both on the same side and the side is the side of growth. And I also feel that I just have a different relationship to you than what Rhett has, so I don’t feel like I have any comment either way on the discussion, honestly. But like, from my perspective as your employee, none of it bothers me and the work that I have to do. So that’s, I feel like, my take away. That’s helpful. It is helpful because I think what you said about… ‘Cause Rhett was saying this is a dynamic that he, and he’s sure that Christy also experiences, and then, you know, I think there’s other friends at times that experience it, you know. But the reason I think that it’s not an issue with Jenna is because once people have the opportunity to get to know you, your employees know you. They’re like, oh, the first time I met him, he said something really awkward to me that kind of offended me, but it turns out that’s just Link. And now I know that he’s a good guy and he didn’t mean that. So, I think that that’s the dynamic. And so I’m often with you where we’re entering into the first interaction with somebody or some very like tertiary, like… You’re trying to help them process me. And I’m like, I would be having more fun if I didn’t enter into this conversation with somebody with a level of like tension. And like, some people might say, “Why do you give a fuck, man? Just don’t even care. Just like happy go lucky.” And it’s just like, well it’s harder to do that. It’s harder to do that when you’re half of a duo that’s kind of… Oh, we’re there as these two guys and it’s like… And I wouldn’t want you to do that. Yeah, it’s like, it’s hard to accommodate. It must be accommodated. Do you know what I’m saying? I don’t think when you go someplace with me, you think, how am I gonna accommodate Rhett in this situation? No. You’re not thinking about that. But most people who are with you are going into the situation thinking, how do I accommodate Link, ’cause I know that’s gonna be a part of this interaction. I like to be handled. I think is another through line here, that I’m realizing. Something about me, I like to be handled. I like to get a massage. I like to have a social net where it’s like, I can just have some fun and then we’ll pick up the pieces later. Or I can trust someone else to pick up the pieces immediately or like patch it up. Or I can dive in this ocean knowing that like, oh God, this is not… My life is not completely in my own hands. Like, I love that feeling. I love the feeling of just being… Just letting go. And in social situations where to me it’s about fun and it’s a playground. Like, I’m drawn to situations where I can just let go and see what happens. Like, there’s a vitality to my experience, but as I’m saying it, I hear your feedback, which is, well that’s only looking through your own lens and that could be very- What if every single person at the party had the same mentality. It would be fucking chaos. Right. And I would love it by the way. I think, I think. Maybe I would hate it. I don’t think you would. It’s not that I wanna be the center of attention. I don’t think it’s a center of attention. You wanna live a life with no filter, and I think- Well, it’s abandon. Like, there’s this freedom. I think there’s so much of my life that’s like, I think so hard about it that if I can get out of my head and just get into like living, then it feels so good because there’s- And that’s good. I’m just explaining myself. I’m not defending myself. And so, it helps me to understand that there’s other things to take into account. Like, I have this desire, in a party setting where there’s no stake. I feel like there’s no stakes and it’s all just about fun. And whether it’s the critic in my own head or whatever it is, it’s like there’s a lot of crunching down. So like, the places where I can let loose, I find myself wanting to let loose in a big way because it feels so good. And I think that, you know, I take the feedback that that has an impact on the people closest to me and that has an impact on strangers too. It has more impacts than I’m willing to consider. And it’s like, it’s a bummer, you know, because… Because you’re right. And it’s like, okay, so now it’s like, well how can I… Does that mean I have to have a little less fun? I don’t think so. And, listen- I know, but it feels that way and- But see, the message is not, Link, you need to be reeled in, you’re too much fun, or whatever. Yeah. I am hearing that I need to be reeled in. It’s not, because it impacts other people. I’m not the only person. I’m not the center of the world. I think the message is, I do think that the filter thing is a good analogy because I do think that you like to live life without a filter. And again, as we’ve established and as everyone listening would agree, that is one of the things that we love about you, is that you’re gonna say the first thing that comes to your mind. However, because you’re a good guy, you have a good heart and you love people, I would say that there are instances where a filter is an act of love. Does that make sense? So actually having the filter in certain situations can be an act of love because it means that I’m taking into account how my actions impact the people I’m with, the group dynamic. And so I don’t think that it… Because I think that that motivation appeals to you, you actually do care… People who don’t care what anybody thinks about them truly are assholes, because what people think about you is actually important because I want people to be happy, but that’s actually not who you are. You do actually care about people. I do. And when people- And I care what people think about me. Yeah, right. You care about people’s experience, but I just don’t think that you’ve considered, because you know, it’s like, this isn’t the kind of thing I wanna talk to you about. It’s not the kind of thing I wanna be like, hey- But we have talked about it. Before we go into this party, can we have a little powwow? So that we don’t get ourselves into one of these situations. Or can I just tell you how I feel in these situations? Like I don’t wanna have that conversation. I don’t wanna be a buzzkill. That’s the last thing that I wanna do. I’m just saying that I think that ultimately having those tendencies is all good, but it’s just like, hey, when Superman goes into the… He starts giving you a massage, he has to think to himself, oh, if I give the full massage that Superman wants to get, I will kill this person. Does that make sense? So like, you have to have an appreciation for your strengths so you can actually utilize them in a way that’s beneficial to people, and ultimately to you. I think ultimately this will be beneficial to you. It’s not just about how you can accommodate other people. But I think that there is a… There is a better reality ultimately for you that isn’t just, hey, I’m going in there and stirring this shit up and seeing where the cards fall and that’s what I do in social situations. I think that there’s a fuller experience which is like, yeah, I’m doing that, but I’m also like metering that and funneling that and being a little bit more strategic with that strength that I have, so it can be used to benefit people, not just myself. Yeah. I just have to figure out how to, like… I just wanna jump out of the plane, you know? And I think, you know, the funny thing is, is I actually think that this is a tendency that you have been… And I’m telling you that’s a skydiving analogy, by the way. This is a tendency that has been increasing year over year. One of the biggest differences between you now and you from 10 years ago, is that like, I never thought about that in a million years. There was never a moment where I was like, we’re going into this situation, who knows what Link’s gonna do? What am I gonna have to do to figure this out? And so I think that there has been some, there has been growth in a good way, and you’re like, I’m embracing who I am, I’m being myself. But sometimes, as an outsider looking in, it feels like there’s such a commitment to expressing yourself without a filter. First thing you think, you say it. First thing you feel, you say it, you do it. That becomes a thing that everyone has to adjust to. Yeah, I hear that, I hear that. And so the adjustment over time has increased so that now I go into social situations with a sense of trepidation, which 10 years ago would’ve never been on my mind. And I’m not saying you should go back to who you were. I’m saying that there’s growth, it’s just the growth has to be managed and, you know, managed. Yeah, I’m not jumping out of the plane alone. It’s a tandem jump. Yeah. Or there’s a group. Or it’s a group. A group of people. There’s Lincoln and his three friends. And then if there’s one guy who’s like, this is what I do and I jump out of a plane, I go as fast as I possibly can. And they’re like, yeah, but we talked about how we were all gonna like… There’s a plan. We’re all gonna do this together. And I wanna choke you while we’re doing it. Yeah. And it’s just like, well, hey… I don’t wanna choke anybody. Every once in a while, I gotta jump out of a plane and go as fast as I possibly can. It’s like, okay, that’s great. But when we say that we’re gonna jump out of the plane as a group, let’s be thinking about the group, not just your own jump. I think that’s why when I went to Rolling Loud and I got separated from Lincoln that I had so much fun. Yeah. Because- And so maybe you need to give yourself those experiences, but I think that you don’t need to give yourself those experiences when other people are with you. Yeah, I got you. You’re gonna be one of those guys that goes to the movie theater alone or goes out to eat alone and has weird interactions with the waiter. I don’t like movies. Yeah, but that’s the thing is that it’s the interaction with people that is… That’s my skydiving, I think, a lot. It’s that social thing. It’s like I’m, you know… And when people that love you, they can appreciate it and it can be fun, sometimes it can be like, okay, let’s pull it, we’ve had a lot of moments. But I like the strangers. I like interacting with strangers. That’s evident. So that was the thing about the concert was I was interacting with nothing but strangers. I was in a sea of strangers and anywhere I could turn, I could interact with somebody. And it was fun. So, maybe I’ll just start going to conventions. Maybe I’ll start crashing weddings and making them all about me. Yeah, okay. You know, this is good, this is good. I mean, this weekend we’re going out, me and you. So we’re gonna have to… I’ll think about this, leading up to that, because we’re gonna have a good time. I appreciate you listening. I want me and you to be able to do stuff and have a good time. I don’t wanna be… And now I wanna cry. Why do I wanna cry all of a sudden? At the end of this. Hey, let’s just make it come full circle. Cry a little bit. I don’t feel embarrassed now like I did on the ski slope. I’m just manipulating you by crying, to feel sorry for me. No, that’s not true. You know, it’s just emotional to feel like, okay, what is this inside of me that wants to come out? And, like, it goes out sideways and it… It’s funny sometimes, but then at other times it’s like, man, it’s like you don’t wanna… You know, I don’t wanna be the guy that’s giving people that are closest to me, like a shitty time because I’m having the best time of my life. It’s like, that sucks. Yeah, and I don’t want… I’m sorry for getting emotional, that’s gonna complicate things. I don’t want you to feel like, again, and I’m sure… I do care about what people think a lot, too much, and so I try to meter out everything I say. But I don’t want people to think that the takeaway is that well Rhett just like told Link to be less Link and that’s his thing. I agree with what you’re saying at every turn. I agree. It’s feedback that I’ve gotten. And it’s not just from you, you know, it’s like people who love me the most have given me this feedback. So like I feel that. I feel that. Well, I appreciate you listening to it and taking it to heart. So, I would like to apologize… To Angie. ‘Cause we need to wrap this up, Angie. Think about that. Think about somebody… Listen, let’s just go ahead. If you work at Snow… What was it? Park City? Park City. The Canyons Resort. And you are the guy who had an interaction, or you know somebody who knows Link and you’re the guy that came up. Make sure that Angie or whatever her actual name is, watches this whole episode because it’s gonna be such a fuckin’ mind trip for her. That it ends with Link crying. She’s gonna be like- Come on Angie. This conversation we just had is gonna validate everything she was already thinking about you based on the interaction. She’s like, yeah, this is exactly what I expected watching this guy’s podcast. I feel like this whole conversation is just a perfect cap encapsulation of like Link’s chaotic storytelling energy. It’s just like we went on this whole dang journey. It’s entertaining. It’s great, man. We wouldn’t be here without it. So it’s just, you know, it’s always there. It ain’t over until somebody’s crying. Yeah. And I prefer for it to be me. So, okay. I got no rec. I got no recommendation. I’m exhausted. #Earbiscuits. Let us know what you think. I bet you got some stuff that you’re thinking. Oh they do. Please leave us a voicemail and let us know. 1-888 EARPOD1. EARPOD1. Wow. Hi, this is Ava. I just thought you guys really should know if you look up “Sims 3 University Expansion Pack”, the opposites household, there’s a Wikipedia page entry for it. There’s no confirmed evidence of this, but I’ve been convinced for years that that household is based off of you two. Just look at the images of the characters and see there are different personality traits and I find you’ll agree. 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