Welcome to “Ear Biscuits,” the podcast where two lifelong friends talk about life for a long time. I’m Rhett. And I’m Link. This week at the round table of dim lighting, draw near. Uh-oh. Demons. Hey. What? Draw near, people who are interested in hearing about our latest video where we hired an actual true life exorcist/demonologist from TikTok in order to advise and protect us as we played Dungeons and Dragons for the first time in a video that was completely documented on the resurrected- Ooh, interesting. Or OG channel youtube.com/rhettandlink. Yes, this is the second video which in the producer parlance is 102. Okay, yeah. RLC102. Rhett and Link channel, episode two. The technical term for it around these parts. And it’s just great to be getting these videos out there. It’s like we’re trying to, we’re not hitting the schedule, but we’re trying to do it once a month. And when we hatched this idea, we were very excited about it. But I’m interested to talk about the ideas that the video tees up. So this is not really, there’s like, yeah, we’ll talk some behind the scenes about how we made the video, but the ideas and the beliefs that we are dancing with in this video, I think there’s good conversation to be had in that realm. This is one of the first videos, I would say, maybe the first video outside of an “Ear Biscuit,” where we’re directly addressing or using something that comes from our faith POV for content. This is something we never did back in the day. We didn’t know how to go about things, even when we were in the early days making videos and we were still thinking in a Christian mission mindset, but we were like, “We’re not gonna do that directly through our video. We’re gonna do that through the avenues that our videos create for us.” And then of course, we lost our faith and became apostates. And so that particular strategy went out the window. But there were those many years where we were just not talking about what was happening, the loss of faith and all this stuff. Yeah, it was complicated. It didn’t translate into content directly. And there’s no- Readily. We don’t ever intend to make “Good Mythical Morning” an outlet for these types of things. We might do something like, okay, we’re gonna bring some psychics onto “GMM” and test them into some fun game or something like that. But it’s always just to have fun and to create something lighthearted and we’re not trying to take on controversial subjects and not delve deep into our perspectives. But this is the first piece of content that the whole thing starts from this because of who we are, where we come from, and the mindset that we bring to something. It sets the stage for exploring this thing in an entertaining way. I’m trying to remember how we came up with the idea. Do you remember? Well Link, I have evidence. Oh yeah? Because something clicked into place. Yeah, I could not remember this. I can’t remember. But I went back to the doc. So basically there was this document that had just a huge brain dump of video concepts. And there was one of them that was called Dungeons and Dragons and here’s what it reads. Growing up in the evangelical church, we were convinced that any kid playing D&D was regularly communing with the devil. We entered the dungeon and faced the dragon. Along the way, we unpacked the phenomenon of parents and specific cultures spewing misinformation based on fear and lack of understanding. So it was like- Is that it? That was the D&D idea. That was the pitch? It wasn’t really a pitch. It’s just like, I had this long list of things that was just, eh, most of them weren’t fully formed. And then there was a second list, which was less defined, general ideas, and it just says, faith related given our public reputation around leaving the Christian faith. This seems like fertile ground. Couple of starter ideas. Get to know a Christian who says that they regularly have supernatural experiences like this TikToker who claims to deal in demons, Demon Eraser. Yeah, we were thinking that because you watch all of, and you allude to this in the video, that the algorithms serve up spiritual content. What? I’m not going to- Oh, you just read another idea? Yeah. Okay. Well, it’s written down. You can remind me of it later. What was I saying again? I watch this kind of content. Yeah, so the algorithm gives you more of it and so there was an idea there of- But there were two separate ideas. Yeah, and it wasn’t, can we see an exorcism, but I know that we talked about that. ‘Cause there are people who will post. You don’t have to tell me. Exorcisms on the internet, you can watch these things. Yeah, so I would say that most of the content that I get served is just Christian or ex-Christian content in general. And I talk about the algorithm in the main video, the Dungeons and Dragons video, but the interesting thing that I found is that the TikTok algorithm knows, TikTok knows that I’m an ex-evangelical. Instagram’s algorithm is not as sophisticated as the TikTok algorithm and it thinks that I’m a Christian. Interesting. And so on Instagram, I just get Christian content and I watch it because I’m still fascinated. I’m probably gonna make a video about this, ’cause it’s a phenomenon of people who are no longer a part of it, who are still fascinated by it. You’re a Christian on Instagram and you’re an ex-believer on TikTok. Yeah. For me that’s proof right there. Because I’ll just get like- But you’re still watching the sincere Christian content on Instagram. You’re just watching it just to keep an eye out, or are you watching this stuff ’cause it’s a little more entertaining? It’s entertaining to me. I’m entertained by it, in fact, Jessie recently tweeted. She was like, “My husband loves to watch Christians do takedown videos of him and laugh along the way while,” she says, I cuss like someone who learned to curse in their 30s. ‘Cause she gets so upset about it. And legitimately, I’m so into it. I love seeing them. The latest thing they’ve come up with or the way they- Somebody’s taken their passion and their energy and they’re directing it towards taking you down. That’s pretty great. Let me say that, let me say that. Let me just say that the last- I’m for it. It’s not just me. The last one I watched was mostly about the fact that you became Topo Chica. Oh, really? And that’s your latest, boy, you really crossed a line when you did drag. The sexual deviance that you are now endorsing openly for all the children to completely lose their way. Dude, you’ve crossed the line. And meanwhile I’m over here looking at cat videos, dog videos, and- That was the latest one that I watched. Sometimes wolves or mountain lions trapped in a snare and then somebody has to come along and get ’em out of it. Any drag mountain lions? Nope. Interesting. Nope. I did my thing. I’m good with it. I’m really good with what I did. Well, a lot of people are not. Now I’m moved on to the next thing. There’s one pastor who is not, he’s very not happy about it. Really? Did he cut the footage of it? Yes. Oh, so he paid for the Society? No, he cut to the trailer. He showed the trailer from the Society. At first I was like, “Hold on, is this guy posting exclusive Society content?” This is what a lot of people do. They get enough of it to say that they just want to use it to make a point, but they don’t wanna sit there and actually watch the content in its entirety and draw within a contextual situation, draw a complete conclusion. I’ve seen enough of this and now instead of see all of it, and yes, it is behind a paywall, sorry. Preacher. Whoever you are. And I’ve seen enough of this to now perpetuate just the conclusions that I’m coming to that are a little short sighted. if you haven’t watched the whole thing and yet you’re gonna take it down, it’s like, come on, just at least give me a chance. At least give Topo Chica a chance. Just so you understand, I don’t think this pastor watching the entire video is going to change his mind. I think it’s only gonna make him more upset. I would’ve liked for him to see the conversation that I had. I’m sure it wouldn’t matter. Okay. Sorry, I’m just saying I don’t think his mind is open to that. But this was two different ideas. So, well, yes, I end up watching a lot of this content and I’m just generally fascinated by it, and not just the stuff that’s about us being taken down, but, I watch a lot of- Most of it is not about you. No, no, no, no. Just to be totally clear. I watched a lot of ex-evangelical deconstruction stuff and then there’s a couple of people that are really good about breaking down certain things. And one of my favorite guys is, I think his name is Dan McClellan, but he’s a bible scholar and he’ll take something that somebody says and then give the correct perspective on things. But occasionally, this demon stuff will pop up. And the thing that was popping up more often than Demon Eraser was there’s an exorcist who’s an older guy, I think he’s got a church in Arizona, Bob Larson. And this guy’s been around for years and he’s- Older meaning in his 60s or? Yeah. Okay. And he’s in a church context doing these crazy exorcisms and his content is just posting the exorcisms. He’s got a cross and he is placing it on people’s heads and people are convulsing and doing all this crazy stuff. So it’s like church footage? Well, it’s not church footage. He’s filming it so that he will be able to post these exorcisms. It’s like it’s all produced. It’s like, this is what he does. And he’s doing it in a crowd. He’s doing it in a church. He’s doing it some church and wherever he’s at and there’s people coming up and there’s people holding these people back and they’re going crazy and then he’s eventually casting them out and then they’re okay at the end. They all go the same. So there was that guy. And then I guess Demon Eraser. The account is Demon Erasers, but I call Bryan the Demon Eraser. Bryan is the face of Demon Erasers. He’s the face of the conglomerate as I called it in the video. So I was just fascinated because, well, you got Bob Larson who’s an older guy who’s been doing this thing for a while. But then you’ve got Bryan who’s a younger guy whose main outlet is modern social media and TikTok. And his account wasn’t very old. It didn’t have too many videos. So when we were in one of our brainstorming meetings. You showed Demon Eraser to me. Well, but before that, we were like, “Oh, we wanted to do the Dungeons and Dragons thing.” Everybody was into this idea. And we were like, this is great because the movie’s coming out. if we could get it to come out around the time the movie’s coming out, that’s even better. Tie in with that zeitgeist thing. But we didn’t really have an angle. It was like, Rhett and Link play Dungeons and Dragons. And as we were getting into these videos, we wanted to have more sensational angles that are more fun to watch. And then that was when we were like, “What if we combine these two ideas?” That was the breakthrough when it was like, we can hire an exorcist. He has a damn form on his website. This is it. Well, you’re jumping ahead though, because he was an archetype. Yeah, we were like, “We’re gonna get somebody.” And we talked to the rest of the team, we were like, “You guys can research and if there’s somebody else to be found, we can pick the right person.” I’ve never had any idea that he would be, A, willing to do it, and B, just up the road in Bakersfield. The fact that that worked out. So we felt like it was a huge breakthrough. It’s like, “Yes, we have cracked this video.” It’s not just, it would be fun to document us learning how to play and talking about our upbringing, but creating an honest experiment. I just started to get really excited because I was like, “This sounds hilarious, but it also sounds scary. It sounds risky on a number of levels.” There’s a lot of unknowns. And so then it became less about it being funny and more about it tapping into my curiosity. What will happen if we really do this in an open-ended way? What’s the story gonna be? I definitely knew that we did not want to make a prank video. That was very obvious to both of us from the very beginning. But it was also very obvious that this concept could easily be a joke on any number of people. Everybody involved or just one person, people who’s in on the joke. And we’re like, well, everybody’s in on the joke because it’s not a joke and it’s important to us- But we knew that it would be entertaining. That we’re approaching it as an honest experiment with such a great hook and, yeah, I didn’t wanna manipulate it. It’s like, I’m very happy with where we landed with this video, and first of all, it’s 40 minutes. More than that, I think. Over 40. But it’s like, yeah, we’re making things that I think require this amount of time. It feels less like something you can just watch and blow over and forget it ever happened. It’s a piece. That’s the type of thing that I’m excited about to do too. And we’re doing what we did in the first video, which is we’re talking about it before it gets released. Right. Don’t know what people are gonna react. So I’ll make a couple of predictions that may, now that the video is out when you’re watching this, you can tell me if I was right or wrong. And then after that, can we just talk about demons more? Yeah. Okay, good. I think because it will make people uncomfortable. Watching, it’s an uncomfortable situation. That’s the thing that’s exciting to us about it. You’ve got a guy who thinks that what we’re doing is a demonic activity and we’re doing it right there in front of him. And we’re literally turning to him to consult with him. And we’ve invited three players, a dungeon master and two players, who were established. You can watch their content online. I did not meet them until basically we sat down at the table with them and introduced them to Bryan, the Demon Eraser. So it’s like, yeah, it puts them in this, I don’t know how they’re gonna react. They were prepped. It was explained what was gonna happen to them. They weren’t blindsided by it, but also didn’t know what their posture was gonna be towards it. But people, there is a certain percentage of the world and a certain percentage of our audience that is not comfortable with anything that is uncomfortable. And listen, that’s your prerogative. That’s not where we’re at. We wouldn’t do this if we didn’t like the idea of it. I showed the video to Shepherd and he just loved it. And he’s more like me. It’s like the discomfort and the fact that this, oh, you created this social situation that was like, what is gonna happen? That’s the thing that gets us excited. That’s why we made all those local commercials with people and we made weird commercials with people who’d never been on camera before. We love that stuff. When you don’t know how it’s gonna be received, yet you know that it’s gonna be talked about is an exciting, it is an invigorating place to be. Now what’s the other thing people are gonna give feedback on? You got other predictions, I’m sure. Some people, they’re gonna be in the, their beliefs and to some degree align with Bryan the Demon Eraser. I don’t even think it’s necessarily about what. We’ll talk about how our beliefs, where they line up and where they used to line up and whether they did or not line up. But that’s a group of people that are on some spectrum. And then there’s avid D&D enthusiast, players who are like, they’re gonna have their own opinions. And by the way, some of ’em might not have anything to do with the exorcist to a demonologist part of it all. It might just be like, “You didn’t do us justice.” Well, there might be criticism of just the D&D play out of it all and how that was edited. I don’t know. One of the things I’m anticipating is because I see it so often, again, I watch takedowns, and one of the things that I consistently see is when I feel like I’m actually being really fair-handed when it comes to talking about Christianity and I try to, ’cause I have so many people in my life who are still Christians, still evangelical, still conservative evangelicals and I love them and we have meaningful relationships and meaningful conversation and I haven’t pushed them out of my life, and I disagree, but I respect where they’re at and realize that they come to their conclusions through their own process. And I’m much less evangelistic than I ever was as a Christian. But I think there’s something about, this is my theory at least, I think there’s a lot of projection that happens when certain Christians watch us talk about these things because they assume that our main goal and anytime we bring up Christianity is to just tear it down and pull people away. And sure, I’m tempted at times when we talk about these things to do that, but more often than not, I’m just presenting my perspective on something and being like, I got a lot of outlets where we just talk about things. The goal is not to change people’s minds. The goal is to just share where we’re coming from. But I think that what people are going to think, because they tend to be like, “Oh, here’s Rhett bashing Christianity again.” I’ll talk about my album or I’ll talk about new merch that I’ve got and explain the symbolism behind it. And then some of the comments will be, “Oh, you’re bashing Christianity again.” It’s like, what? I don’t see where that did that. So I think because there’s this projection of thinking that if you’re talking about something, you’re trying to persuade people, you’re tearing something down, people will assume, “Oh, Rhett and Link are now officially beginning their videos where they tear Christianity down directly and they did it with this D&D video.” And that’s not what we’re thinking at all. We’re like, “Oh, we wanna play Dungeons and Dragons ’cause we weren’t ever able to do it.” There are people who legitimately believe that Dungeons and Dragons is a demonic thing. Wouldn’t it be cool to put all those things together in the same room? Won’t that be fun, interesting? Who knows what’s gonna happen? That’s our motivation. Right, but we never sought to put Bryan the Demon Eraser, exorcist, demonologist in the position of representing all people of Christian faith. And I don’t even think, well, we’re not interested in doing that and I don’t think we did that. So we’re gonna get into how our beliefs interact with everything that was happening. But I do think there’s one other group. There’s the group that’s like, “You were too sympathetic to this guy.” Exactly. So it’s like, there’s some people who are like, “Well, you’re using him as a straw man to take down Christianity,” not the case. And then there’s other people that’s like, “You should have gone for the jugular for this guy. You should have made him into a complete butt of the joke.” And we just wanted to present him for who he is. And every member of the audience is just coming to their own conclusions. This is not a propaganda piece in any way, but I think that’s the other criticism. “Oh, you should have taken him down hard.” Or there might be people who’s like, “You gave this guy a platform.” Gave him a platform. Now people know about his account. Now people are gonna go there and he’s gonna remove their demons. It’s like, well, that may happen. I think that could happen. I think ultimately my answer to all of that is that I know where our hearts are at and I know what our motivation for making the video is and I’m very comfortable with that. And if I were to get into a place where I tried to anticipate every segment of an audience’s perspective and anticipate their reaction and try to accommodate their reaction in the content, we would never make any videos. Especially not of this nature, and this is just exciting. And so we set the ground, the foundation, the groundwork with the team to help them understand the parameters of what we were interested in and everything that we’ve just talked about. And so then we entrust everyone to do their part. So just one example, you could look at anything and see it’s not just, everybody who touches the video and who’s worked on the team has an impact on every single moment of it. That’s another part of the fun of it. But here’s one example. Once it cuts to the montage of the Demon Eraser at the beginning and it’s just his TikTok footage, you’ll notice that it’s just a montage of his footage. And this is a bend choice to say, ’cause he told me after the fact. I saw the edit and I was like, this works. But what I didn’t think about was, well, you know what? You could have kept cutting back to us in our office doing our talking head thing and we could have provided commentary on it or it could have just cut back to us and we’re making a funny face. And you could easily get an additional, you could get a laugh out of our reaction to it. Or you could get information. Maybe it’s not just a laugh. You could get information about what we thought about him. But what we wanted to do was just present him. And it’s a montage, so we put, I think it’s still in the cut. There’s a note at the bottom something to the effect of all of these clips are taken out of context, which do we really have to say that for a montage? But we did because it’s like, hey, this is what he puts out on the internet and here’s an edited version of it. It’s pruned and primed for a reaction. But we’re not gonna spoon feed you a reaction that you can just emulate our reaction or disagree with our reaction. Come to your own conclusion. I think that was important. I don’t know why I said I think that was important. Link, that was important. Was that important? Yeah. I do think it was important to talk about all these things ’cause there’s a lot of pitfalls is what I was trying to go with that. No, no, again, who knows? Who knows? Future us knows. That’s the weird thing about making these videos is, what if it’s so many people got mad about this for this thing that we didn’t anticipate? It’s like, I don’t know. That’s part of the excitement. I’m having to embrace that ’cause I have no other choice, but I’m not gonna stop making stuff. We’re not gonna start throwing things out there and seeing what happens. 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Visit betterhelp.com/ear today to get 10% off your first month. That’s betterhelp, H-E-L-P.com/ear. All right, so to establish a little bit about how would we have interacted with Bryan and his beliefs 20 years ago? Let’s go back 20, let’s go back 30 years ago. Yeah. Well, we already said we never played it. And the only reason wasn’t for beliefs. It was just our friends didn’t play it really. We didn’t have a lot of opportunities to play. It wasn’t like, “Hey kid, do you wanna play Dungeons and Dragons?” And we were just like, “No. I don’t wanna do crack. I wanna go rollerskating.” It wasn’t those vibes. Well, everything that we thought about it was just based on a few things that had been said to us. Very prevalent within the evangelical community at the time was that this was on the level of heavy metal music, but worse. So these are things that are from Satan. They celebrate satanic things and they invite demonic forces into your life in general, was what we thought. But we grew up Baptists. And then non-denominational, basically Baptist. But in that world that we grew up in, which is what you would say is not a Pentecostal church, it’s just to illustrate the point that Christianity is not monolithic whatsoever. We believed theoretically in the existence of demons, but we would have said that they were not very active, at least not in America. There’s this unspoken thing that the areas in the world where people are messing around with animistic religions and native religions and stuff like that. Oh, over in Africa or in South America, that’s where the demonic activity is because their religions are really tied into it or whatever. So if you’re a missionary and you go over to those places, you might see some demonic activity. But in our circles, it wasn’t like, “Oh, somebody’s sick. That’s a demon.” “Somebody’s got a mental illness. No, no, that’s possession.” We never witnessed an exorcism. Our preachers never did exorcisms. When you pray for somebody to get healed, you don’t talk about demons. You might talk about the activity of the devil and what the devil is doing to scheme, but we always saw demons and the devil as a bit more sophisticated. It was like, “Oh, well the greatest trick the devil ever pulled is convincing the world that he didn’t exist.” That was the mindset that we were in. It was just like- Well, did you just quote C.S. Lewis? Because according to the Demon Eraser, he’s demonic. No, I quoted “The Usual Suspects.” Oh. Kevin Spacey to be exact. I thought you were “Mere Christianity.” Well, first of all, maybe C.S. Lewis did talk about that. But so we would’ve said that there was much more demonic activity at, say, a liberal university where they’re teaching things that undermine traditional ideas. That’s the sophistication of the devil is such that he’s gonna use the intellectualism of mankind to unravel the godly ways of thinking. That was what we thought. We weren’t like, “Oh, this person’s gonna get possessed and we’re gonna throw some holy water on him.” No, we thought that that was probably BS even as Christians. Just letting you know, we never delved into this, demons are super active and they’re on people and they’re in people. Now, I did know people who thought that and had experiences that we can talk about. Oh, let’s talk about that. But one more thing was that we missed the “Harry Potter” cavalcade when the books first started coming out. It’s like we were already too old for that. But in our church environment, the younger kids were discouraged, if not told, not to read those books because they referenced things that were of the devil, witchcraft, wizardry. Stay away. Don’t become enamored with that stuff. Don’t become enamored with it. It opens a door to you being open to more of Satan or his demon’s influences. And we did believe that Satan, or I guess his demons, we never talked about demons. We just talked about Satan as if Satan was everywhere all at once, and he was, or it was, I don’t know what the pronoun. I think he probably what. I haven’t asked Satan’s pronouns. Lucifer. Lucifer. I’m just saying, according to the Bible. Yeah, okay. They tempted you. I’m using they. Okay, I like that. Satan would tempt me. If I wanted to do something that I shouldn’t do, I’d be like, “Hmm, stand behind me, Satan.” Yeah, yeah. But we didn’t really give- But I wasn’t scared of Satan because I just felt like I was causing enough trouble and I just felt like it was from myself anyway. I didn’t really fixate on the Lucifer of it all. I knew I wasn’t going to hell because I had accepted Jesus. We also thought that you couldn’t be possessed if you were a Christian ’cause the Holy Spirit is inside of you so that there was no place for the demons to go. ‘Cause they get inside there and they see God. They can see Jesus in your heart and they have to leave. No more room at the inn. Yeah, right. Jesus is taking up shop here. He learned his lesson. Jesus, he’s gonna get in early. I ain’t gonna keep sleeping on them mangers. A manger is what livestock eat out of. Right. Yeah. Yeah. This isn’t a Christmas episode. Hey, I’m just explaining my joke. Yeah, yeah. Usually when you have to explain that though. Jesus learned his lesson. It was great. I didn’t think you had to explain it. It was good. It was great to begin with. And I think Satan, did Satan approve of that joke? I don’t know. Am I an agent of Satan in the fact that I made that joke? Some people might believe I am. Oh yeah, lots of people believe that we are. But we did know people who I knew well and I trusted and who I believe are honest who had experiences with demons. And when they conveyed those experiences to me, I’m still convinced to this day that whatever it is they experienced, at least as it manifested itself in their minds, was real to them. Give me details. People who were missionaries. People who had been to other parts of the world, which interestingly, it’s a little sidebar here. First of all, I think that Christian missions are based in white supremacy. It’s pretty clear that that’s in the history of Christian mission is very much a white supremacist thing where you bring your philosophy and you come in with the understanding that the brown people who you are visiting and what they believe is inferior to what you believe. And also you contextualize it within your own tradition and say the things that they worship are actually the bad parts of your religion. It’s satanic. You contextualize it within your framework and then you come in and then you justify eradicating their belief. Now up until very recently, you also justified eradicating them as people. You said that they weren’t even people and you eradicated them and you establish. Look at what Spain and what the Spanish and the British did in the Americas. And if you’re watching that series “1923,” which I don’t watch “Yellowstone.” I’ve never gotten into it, but I’m into the prequels. “1923” has a heartbreaking, visceral storyline that explores this. Yeah, okay. So I watched the first two episodes, I think. So I haven’t gotten beyond that. You gotta slow down. So interestingly, there’s so much of this thought and this underlying foundation that still is very active within the church and this is stuff that was I had no idea about when I was a part of it, but- Hold on, you were telling me about the demons, your missionary friends who saw demons. That’s what I’m getting back to. Well get back to that. I’m setting the stage for it. Good. Because I find it interesting that you go into these situations where you’re interacting with brown and Black people and their religions and you’re assuming that what they’re all involved in is witchcraft. And so I’m saying that that is very racist. It’s just very, very racist. Let’s just be honest about it. Now you may say, “Well my bible says that, if you’re not for God, you’re against him.” So it’s all within the Christian context. And I understand that your worldview, because I had the same worldview in the past, it was all Christian. So it was like everything that wasn’t of God was of Satan. But I think it’s important to just tease that a little bit and question that and challenge that a little bit. Because the fact is that when you come into a place, and the assumption is that what these people are doing and all their rituals and all their background and their culture, which is who they are, it defines who they are is based in evil, there’s so many racist undertones to that. Just a note. ‘Cause it’s interesting that when you’re in a little bit more of a Pentecostals or whatever, demons are everywhere. You talk to Bryan, I don’t know what his background is, but demons are everywhere. They’re not just in those places. He’s got demons everywhere. But from where we were coming from, it’s like, well you might encounter some of these more obvious manifestations of demonic activity if you go into these places. I’m just making the point that that’s coming from a racist place. But the people that I knew had those experiences. So I’ll just go through just a couple of the stories. There was one story in which someone was grabbed very forcefully on the shoulder while they were sleeping when they were in the middle of Sub-Saharan Africa. Just the pit of demonic activity. This is one of your friends who’s describing being grabbed themselves. Yes. There was someone who jumped up onto something that they shouldn’t have been able to jump up onto. Was the demon inside of them being confronted in this moment? I don’t remember. Okay. There was another person, turned to my friend, they opened their mouths and fangs grew. Fangs grew. Fangs grew. So those are a couple of examples. Now do I believe that this person and these people, it’s multiple people, had experiences where they believe these things happen? Yes. Do I believe that supernatural things actually happened and there were fangs that were grown and there were supernatural heights that were achieved? Almost certainly not because it’s so much more likely that based on the worldview and the perspective that they were bringing with themselves and the way that they saw the environment that they were in, the mind is incredibly powerful. You can rationalize so many things. You can convince yourself of so many things. That it’s just so much, because it’s been demonstrated and you don’t have to be clinically insane to see these things or to experience these things. I think that it’s just, my perspective is most likely there’s no there there. The other option is that maybe there is some there there and there is some supernatural thing that people tap into and experience. But the conclusion that because those things happen and can be experienced by certain people, then it is necessarily true that this one particular perspective on those events, the Christian perspective, is the right one. That’s an unnecessary leap. Right, why can’t it just be ghosts? Why can’t it be a ghost that grabbed you? Or the fangs thing, that’s a little different. I guess what I’m saying is I wasn’t there, and I’m not saying I may, and I’m still open to being able to experience something that is a clear. We’ve talked about this in my deconstruction update that I’m open to experiencing, quote, unquote, “supernatural things” or things that are beyond our understanding and things that defy the laws of physics as we currently understand them. And I think the world would be a cooler, more interesting place if that is the case. But I can’t prove it and I definitely can’t experience it and then base my beliefs or endorse a belief system based on my experience ’cause my experience is too unreliable. And so because my experience is too unreliable, I don’t think that someone else’s experience is gonna be more reliable than mine. I’m not gonna be like, “Okay, you experienced that. That’s all I needed to hear.” I just find it so interesting that we believed in Satan, we believed in demons, we believed in angels because there’s references in the Bible. Apparently there’s a lot of other extra Bible books that go into a lot more detail that give you a lot more fodder if you want to be a demon eraser. Different books. But I just wrote it off. And there were other churches where it’s like they’re doing lots of things that are just dictated by belief. Okay, if you believe that you can speak in tongues, well, you need to go to another type of church where that will be welcomed. And then it happens a lot over there. But it never once happens here. If you feel like that your sickness is a result of demonic activity, well, you better go over there. And I’m talking about sometimes a few blocks away from a church that will believe something totally different than what we believed. So it’s just like, you get in the right group of people, it seems like you can start to explain that. They work themselves up. We all get into groups and we’ll work ourselves up into what we can agree on and what we can say yes, and, or no, don’t, and find another place for that. And so then people start to group up and is it that the demons are grouping up with these people over here and then everybody over here. So when you get sick and you’re in this group, it’s ’cause demons are getting you sick. But when you get sick over here, it’s because, well, you’re sick and you need to seek medical attention. But it was weird that we were in this strange place where it’s like, I believed in Satan, I believed in demons, I believed in angels, but we had specific beliefs about it that wrote it off, whereas other people played it up. Well, we definitely didn’t think that anybody who was getting sick in any place was a result of demonic activity. We had a lot of criticisms of Pentecostal church and charismatic thinking. We thought that the whole speaking in tongues thing was just an emotional thing. Again, it was just your mind playing tricks on you and people can just work themselves up and are they really speaking in the tongues of angels or whatever other languages and that kind of thing? We didn’t really believe that that was… And we also believed, I guess we were dispensationalist in that we believed that those- There was a time and a place- There was a time for that. In his past for miracles. It was basically the Book of Acts. The initial establishing of the church, God would use- Signs and wonders. It’s so amazing. Again, it’s just an example of how you can rationalize anything. So as a Christian who was looking around and seeing a world that seemed natural, that did not seem supernatural, I didn’t see evidence of demons, I didn’t see evidence of Satan’s activity, at least not in those really- Fangs type of way? Yeah, this physical manifestation. Again, it was these things happening at a higher level. But because the Bible clearly describes demon possession and demons making people sick and demons being cast out of people and put into pigs that then go off cliffs. Jesus did that. And then there’s these things that happen in the Book of Acts. Because those things happen and we believe that those are true historical accounts, we had to reconcile those things. And so the way we reconcile them, of course we didn’t reconcile ’em, some other apologist, some bible person did it for us. They developed this idea that there’s a dispensation, there’s a time in which these things happen and then it’s over and the reason we don’t experience it is because God has changed the way that he work in the world. It’s like, “Come on, guys. Isn’t it so clear that you’re just making it up as you go along?” I’m sorry, I didn’t wanna make it about this, but I’m just saying when I look back on it, I’m like, “Go, come on.” Yeah, and if you go to a Pentecostal church and you’re like, “I’m really feeling this. I’m going to open my mouth and I’m gonna pray in tongues. I’m gonna do it.” And then you go for it and it works. Well, you’re in. You’re in more. And if you go for it and it doesn’t work, then it’s like you start to think, “Maybe I need to go somewhere else, and then where I can surround my thinking with a belief structure that makes me feel okay with what I’m not doing.” I don’t know, it just seems, I don’t know. I always tend to go back to this. We all believe what we wanna believe. I know I believe what I wanna believe. I know that about me. I just know that’s a big part of human nature. It’s just an impulse and it’s just like, you can work some acrobatics, but yeah. So the dispensation of it all, that is the answer for us that I didn’t worry about demons. I practically didn’t believe in demonic activity in my life or in my presence or in my worldview. When we prayed, we prayed according to God’s will. We talked to God and of course we would say, “If it’s your will, Lord, this thing be done,” which is a whole different conversation, but we would pray and just ask God to do things. Heal this person. If they got healed, praise God. If they didn’t get healed, “God, thank you for this experience. You know what’s best,” or whatever. But there was never, if there’s a demon here, if there’s a cancer demon, can we cast out the cancer demon? Which is, again, what Bryan believes. One of the things, and obviously it’s very, very clear in the video, but we talked to Bryan for a really long time. And basically, I don’t even know if this is still in there. The nut demon? She had a peanut demon? Well I know that the peanut demon joke, it’s not really joke, it was just an observation is still in there, but you said, “It feels like there’s demons everywhere.” And it almost got to this place where it was like, the world feels a little bit meaningless. Is it true? If your perspective is that demons are in everything and there’s so many places, like demons might be in this computer or if somebody’s looked at porn on my computer, boy, it wasn’t me. But if somebody’s looked at porn on my computer, then there’s like a pornea demon on this computer. Or my phone, my phone’s never seen porn. Why you being so weird? So there’s demons on this phone. There’s demons in books, there’s demons in rocks. If there’s demons everywhere, then God created a world in which the thing that’s more real than the senses that he gave you to experience the world is something that’s below the surface. I don’t know, man. And the thing that you talked about was, or I think we did keep this in the video where it was like, is it that if I were to talk about the spells that I was casting and I’m talking about them in a way as if it’s a chemical reaction. I can do magic, but it’s not technically magic. It’s technically chemistry, you know what I’m saying? Does that mean the demons are like, “We’re cool.” You were talking about, yeah, does that fool the demons? Well, and I was doing that because this is what Bryan was. Again, I think it’s important to talk about what our position was as we entered the video and mine was very much clean slate. I’m going into it in this place where I can make myself really open to stuff. If I’m going ghost hunting with a ghost hunter, I’m not going in there like I’m some skeptic. I’m going in thinking ghosts are real. I’m gonna see one. I spent the night at a haunted hotel and I was trying to make stuff happen. I was like, “I’m open to it. Ghost, if you’re here, show yourself to me.” And I’m open to it, man. I wanna see it. It’s just more fun to live that way for me. So I was able to, I don’t know where you were at, but I was able to put myself in a position where it was like, “All right, I’m going into this situation thinking that anything that I have thought about this previously is I’m throwing it out the window. And this guy has this very specific perspective. We’re bringing him in, we’re saying that he’s gonna advise us and these people are doing this thing. They’re gonna be a little bit uncomfortable with this guy talking about demon stuff, but we’re going for it.” But it was just really early in the process, it became very evident to me that we were just playing a game. Right. I never thought that demons might show up. I didn’t think that he was going to say, “Don’t do that.” I thought he might say, “I sense there’s a demon here.” More of like what a psychic who was channeling somebody. “Someone with a S name is trying to get through to someone about a pendant. Does anyone here have a relative with an S?” A medium, medium. Medium, so he doesn’t do that. But he didn’t. But he would directly condemn that as a matter of fact. Yes, he would. I thought he would say, “Oh, there’s a demon here. The shit’s hitting the fan. I gotta start using my blow torch,” so I didn’t know. But yeah, and then I was like, “Okay, the only mess that we’re gonna have to clean up is any relational mess here, and I’m here for that.” I didn’t want to create it, but I wanted to create a space for it. So that’s what I was interested in was, what can happen? What’s the interplay between these people? And I was happy with where it landed because I felt like the approach was honest and the results were pretty honest. The fact that we played the game. Nobody was ultra offended on either side of it. And I don’t know how many sides there actually were. Maybe at least three. But I don’t know. Somehow everybody was brought a little bit closer together. You tolerated your differences and when they were pretty prickly and you might feel like you were getting, that was directed at me type of thing one way or another, I felt like everybody just put their best foot forward and we had a fun evening. To his credit, Bryan, here’s the thing about Bryan, is that yes, he believes very, very honestly and sincerely that demons are very active. And that Dungeons and Dragons is not a good thing to play. Right. But even though he believes that, and he will tell you this is what he’s basing that on, he’s not a jerk about it. He’s not a jerk about it. He was not judgemental in the sense that he’s judging the things that are happening and saying, “Well, that’s a demon,” or, “That’s not a demon.” But at no point did I feel, and I appreciate this about him, personally judged, and I don’t think that he said anything. Obviously just the fact that he believes these things, there’s inherent judgment in that if you’re somebody who’s based your professional career on D&D like the people that we had there. So there’s some implied judgment, but I think that he was very gracious towards the individuals who were there, and by the end of it, he’s making noises and trying to be a part of things. While still remaining true to his beliefs. I appreciate that about him. I disagree with his worldview. I don’t believe in it and I don’t think that there’s adequate evidence for it. And I’m sure that we would disagree about many, many things. But in terms of the way that he interacted with us on a personal level, a lot of people who have done takedowns of me and you on the internet could learn a thing or two just about how friendly he is. Yeah. I don’t know what he actually believed about me or you. The fact that, yes, getting a tattoo is problematic in his opinion. Getting a tattoo of Elvis, which is demonic writing, his opinion, is problematic. It opens you up and it makes you friendly with the demonic world. What do you think about the people who are gonna say, “Well, even if I don’t believe everything that Bryan believes, I do believe in a spiritual realm. I do believe in demons more than you guys ever did. And that they do have some sway over people on some level.” Maybe it’s not as ubiquitous as Bryan believes. Maybe you fall in a slightly different place. But what about the kids? It’s like, you’re basically making light of… Huh? What about the kids? What about the children of the world that are watching our video? Did I answer your question? Yeah. Did you have a question? I just said, what about the kids? What about the kids who are watching our video? And obviously Rhett and Link are not scared and they’re making light of the fact that there’s a spiritual realm and some bad shit can go down there. And you’re anesthetizing them to it, whatever the word is. You’re making ’em numb to it. You’re making ’em open to it. That was really the practical crux of where Bryan was coming from. It’s like, “Yeah, even if there’s not a demon here right now, we’re saying, ‘Bring it on.’” So that question has been asked, not just about this video, but about us deciding to talk about these things in general, right? Right. And that question for me only makes sense and is only a legitimate question if your starting point is that Christianity is true. The Bible is true. And so anything that potentially undermines it is going to be bad for the kids. And I’m asking the question, I’m not saying this, but how come it isn’t the case that Christianity is bad for the kids? You know what I’m saying? I’m not saying it is. What I’m saying is you have to center that question from a framework, from a POV. And what about the kids? Well, what about the kids? Is it better for the kids to grow up thinking that Dungeons and Dragons is a fun game powered by human imagination and cooperation? Or is it better for them to think that it’s crawling with demons or even might be crawling with demons and therefore they should stay away from that? And while they’re at it, they should stay away from anything that, any sort of talk of witchcraft. If I had to put my foot down on one side of that issue right now, I would say I think it’s much better for the kids to see Dungeons and Dragons as a fun game of about imagination and cooperation. And I do think we did that. In making the video, we pretty much did that because we played it and we had a good time and we presented it in a fun light, right? Yeah. And to answer that question on a holistic level, if I didn’t think that us talking about these things was more illuminating than it was debilitating, we wouldn’t do it. If I thought that us talking about these things, these spiritual things and giving our perspective was a net negative for the people listening, I wouldn’t talk about it. We don’t talk about these things despite the number of people who’ve said this, because there’s more money in talking about these things. We’re interested in it, end of story. End of story. It turns out that we lose a lot of followers every time we talk about this stuff. It’s not great money in criticizing, in talking critically about the most popular religion in the world and overwhelmingly the most popular religion in your own country, which is where our audience is mostly. There’s not great money in that, FYI. We’re just being honest about things. We’re talking from our mouths and from our asses sometimes. Yeah, most of the time from our asses. Yeah, let’s be real. So I don’t believe in demons, but I’d like to be open to believing in ghosts. But I don’t really believe that either. But I know there’s a lot of people who do. Are there other realms? Are there other levels that we just have little hints of the existence of other planes of existence, spiritual or otherwise? Well, if there are other planes of existence that through some sense that we don’t yet quite understand, we have the ability to tap into, and some people have the ability to tap into it more readily than others, then if that’s true, which I’m very open to that being a possibility. When we talk about creativity, we’re talking about receiving creative ideas from some external source. We use the term spiritual or supernatural because it’s beyond just the physical, a materialistic understanding of the world. I’m very open to that. But what’s more likely? Is it more likely that if there is some sort of thing that can be tapped into that it’s really hard to understand what that is and people experience it, and then people try to define it and put it in a box and that’s where religion comes from. And that’s why if you go all around the world, we just demonstrated how not monolithic Christianity is. There’s so many different perspectives just within this one faith. And then once you move beyond that into these other faiths and they have, people are experiencing weird shit and people are trying to explain it, trying to reconcile it, trying to systematize it so that they can relay it and talk about it and write it down in a book somewhere. But I’m just saying that from a probabilistic standpoint, if that stuff happens, your individual perspectives on it are probably just wrong, probably mistaken. And so that’s why I’m not coming to any hard conclusions about it. Well, I don’t think playing Dungeons and Dragons makes you demonic. I think it does make you a little open to those concepts. And then if you start getting into that part of it, “Oh, I’m gonna start reading about demons and stuff,” you might start believing. I don’t know. Anything could lead to something for somebody depending on… It’s just like, “Oh, don’t even think about that, because who knows what it could lead to?” I think a much better argument could be made about certain types of music with certain subject matter. So if there’s like, okay, you’re listening to music that is celebrating- Murder. Let’s say torture. Yeah. Okay, if you’re like, singing like this, about torturing somebody. Well, first of all, you could be singing real pretty about it. No, but I’m just saying, let’s just say that- ♪ I got in the torching device ♪ No, let’s saying you’re getting really worked up and you’re appealing to the lowest common denominator. Now, one theory is that by getting that out through music, you’re less likely to do it in the real world. I don’t know. Or maybe you’re leaning into that and then, yes, that could somehow influence your behavior. I could see how the case could be made for that. But Dungeons and Dragons isn’t doing any of that. It’s completely based in this idea that because there’s warlocks and witches and magic and those things are labeled in the Bible as evil and of the devil, it’s just because those things were part of the game. The game just was like, “Oh, it’s all bad. It’s opening yourself up to these,” but no. It’s an imaginary world. It’s like playing Zelda in which I guess, again, is still a bad thing if you follow that logic all the way. Yeah. Yeah, there’s so many games now for so many different reasons that you could. Again, it was Dungeons and Dragons, then it was “Harry Potter,” and now it’s everything you can shake a stick at is probably something that’s, yeah, definitely for Bryan is gonna be demonic and you gotta stay away from it. That’s why I ended up asking him, and it’s not in the edit. It’s like, “In a world where you’re encountering demonic activity at every turn, every turn, what kind of life is that? I would be a wreck. Where’s the fun?” And he was like, “Well, I have fun in having power over them.” Maybe there’s an answer in that. He was so cool, calm, and collected. He wasn’t afraid. So it’s nice to believe all these things when then you can believe, “Oh, but I have power over this through Jesus. Jesus has power over this and has given me access to it.” However you wanna say it. Maybe that is a really good feeling for some people. Our video, and now at this point, I don’t want to either, start to psychoanalyze any more of what draws people to certain beliefs, whether it’s Bryan’s belief system or people who play Dungeons and Dragons. Well, first of all, humans, it has been reinforced through many, many generations that it’s beneficial to attach some sort of agency or some sort of reason to things that you don’t understand, to define things. There’s a survival advantage to believing that there’s a lion in the bushes when you hear something move. You actually gain a survival advantage by extrapolating and defining. And most people, and we’re two of them by the way, ’cause we’re people, I’d say all people, we have a tendency to want to just not just rest in this uncertainty. I don’t know what Bryan’s day to day is, but he wakes up and goes throughout his day and there’s no uncertainty for him, at least as he communicates or on the surface of the things that he experiences. It’s just like, “That’s a demon. This is a demon, that’s a demon.” And I’m living in a place where it’s like, “Well, I woke up from a nap and had an idea and then somebody in the next room had the same idea. Well, is there something going on there? I don’t know. I’ll lean into that a little bit.” Some people are just not comfortable with living in that level of uncertainty where you wanna define it, you want to pin it down because it’s just easier to go on with your life if you can just be like, “Okay, well I’m gonna establish this. There is a god and this religion that I’m a part of is true. Let me get these things in place so I can just go on and live my life.” And I just think there’s a temptation for everybody to come to a conclusion. There’s a temptation for us, I think, and I can hear it in you in the way that you talk about these things, should just be, “It’s all fake.” You know what I’m saying? None of this stuff is real. This is all just people’s minds playing tricks on them. And it’d be easier to just be like, “That’s right. It’s all people’s minds playing tricks on them. The human mind has an incredible capacity for imagination.” And everything can be explained through just the power of people’s imagination and their ability to rationalize and manipulate their own thoughts. And I’m gonna just be an atheist and just move on with my life. And I’m tempted to do that at times. Oh yeah, it’s easy. Unless I make active decisions to be open, that’s just where I fall back. I fall back into that. That version of certainty. But I would say that from a practical standpoint, the only thing that I’ll ever stake my claim on or really try to defend are things that I can prove. I will try to convince you. I’m not gonna do it on a regular basis and I don’t do it on the internet really, but if somebody asks me in my personal life what I think about evolution, for instance, because I think there’s so much great evidence for it, and I think it’s an important thing to understand and believe, I’ll talk to them about that because I think that that’s not a real questionable area. That’s a pretty obvious thing. But then there’s stuff like this. Well, what’s happening when two people have, two twins have some crazy experience across the globe? And there’s all this evidence of it. It’s like, well, I’m not gonna say that’s their mind playing tricks on them because it seems like it happens too often. Who are we to say? And there’s must be something else going on or maybe there is. I’m open to that. I’m not gonna try to convince you of it though. I can’t wait to see what the comments are on the video and also on this one. Anything else that we experienced, and Jenna, pipe in here because you were there all along the way too. Anything else that we experienced from just a, people might be interested to know, inquiring minds want to know in terms of the process. No one was harmed with the lighting of the flame thrower and no property either. Everyone was totally fine. Yeah, the flame thrower was originally designed to be done outside, but it was raining. And so we were like, “Let’s do it in the fireplace.” And when it happened, it was very intense. But watching it back, you see just how high the flames leap out of the fireplace up onto the speaker underneath the TV. And again, it’s just a flash of fire. It’s not gonna do anything. And he seemed to have a lot of control over it. But there was a certain level of trust. He seemed to wanted to keep doing it. I love the fact that he did it twice. That’s enough. And then we found that footage that we use at the beginning, which- Like a Canadian television show. Again, I think this is where I think some people would be like, “Oh, Rhett and Link are trying to tear down the Christians.” Because we show this ridiculous video from the ’80s and the way that the guy talks. I think we were talking about his bottom lip being very wet most of the time that he was speaking. Nothing against the guy. I’m just saying that it was hard not to notice that. Well Ben put a, he did a side camera effect that then goes around, maybe it deemphasized the wet lip. You got these guys who even when we were very, very strong professional Christians even, missionaries, we would’ve thought they were hilarious. We would’ve thought those guys in that opening video were hilarious. I’d be like, yeah, we probably agree with them on some level, but they’re ridiculous characters and it’s so funny. Thank God for dispensationalism. But they mention in that opening video about the demons escaping the objects and screaming. And I was like, “Oh man, we gotta put a scream in.” In the dice. In the burning dice at the end. It was just a great bookend. It’s beautiful, man. And we haven’t talked to Bryan since then. We don’t have an active relationship with Bryan. We knew him in the moment. We made some memories and that was it. I think we utilized his services. Yep, we did. And like you said, I think he spoke for himself. And I don’t know what he thinks of the video. He said what he said, did what he did. He was very consistent with his perspective. And I’m sure that there are people who feel as if they are in need of some sort of help in fighting the demons. Are you about to recommend Bryan? Nope. I’m just saying that it’s an inevitable consequence of, hey, we use an exorcist and people know where to find him. Okay, so we got, you’re gonna recommend him and you’re gonna have equal recommendations. I’m not recommending him. And then you’re gonna recommend- I’m just saying that it was sort of implied. You can go see where he’s at. What’s your rec then? My rec is that you play Dungeons and Dragons. Really. It was fun, yeah. It was a little bit of an interesting introduction to the game. Typically an exorcist will not be present when you’re playing I would think. It’s up to you though. And the main thing holding me back from it, of course, is that we know people who play on a regular basis and it is a time commitment. And that is something that we do not have in our lives at this point. But maybe at some point, we will. I could see how once you really understood the ins and outs of the game and being with, Lemar was a great dungeon master to see that on display. Science Mike, our friend, is a great dungeon master. We’ve never seen him in action, but I can imagine how good he would be as well. But I think that I highly recommend it. So find your local D&D group, however that’s done. Oh, a demon just left you. Another demon just left you. Oh no, I think he was only half out. Is he out now? First sneeze. Took two sneezes. Get him all the way out. His hooves were caught. He’s gonna come back in. No one said bless you. Bless you, bless you. Bryan did say that when you sneeze, when you yawn, when you burp, these could be demons coming out of you. And with that, let us know what you think. #EarBiscuits wherever hashtags are used, and call in and let us know how the video struck you and this conversation. 1-888- ♪ EARPOD1 ♪ Can we end this with a flame thrower? It’s like, . Hey, Rhett and Link. This is Race Neeson calling from Salt Lake City, Utah. 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