Welcome to “Ear Biscuits,” the podcast where two lifelong friends talk about life for a long time. I’m Rhett. And I’m Link. This week at the brown table of dim lighting we are talking about nerves, man. What’s the most nervous you’ve ever been? Hmm. There’s been lots of instances. We put ourselves in lots of situations where we’ve just been tore up with nerves, you know. A little bit of loose, loose bowels. That’s what happens to me. The main thing that happens, I always bring that up but, The main things that happens is, Sweaty hands. Something comes up and you know you’re nervous when you gotta go pee. And then right when you get back from peeing, You gotta pee again. You gotta go pee again. It’s like your body’s telling you just like, Evacuate. Just empty everything so that you can be light and you can escape or perform or whatever needs to happen. ‘Cause you don’t wanna pee in front of people, you know? No, you don’t wanna pee yourself because it’s a sign of weakness. Well, it’s also a vulnerable moment, you know, because it’s hard to just pinch it off, you know, if you’re just gonna, Have you ever peed yourself in a harrowing situation? In my mom’s bed, yes. What? Well, yeah. Have you ever peed yourself, Just out of fear? Out of fear? Well, is that a teaser or do you want me to answer that right now? That would be a good teaser if, I mean, That and more, today on the “Ear Biscuits.” Yeah. No, let’s just, We don’t have to play that game because the answer’s no. It hasn’t happened to me. I’ve never peed myself out of fear. But I don’t think it hasn’t happened because I’m a composed person. I just think that, I haven’t been in, like, the classic movie trope is someone points a gun at you and then you pee yourself, right? Like, that situation happens quite a bit in movies. And it’s always like a sign of weakness of like, oh, he peed himself. But I never had that happen to me. I hope it never does. I’ve never had a gun pointed at me. That’s what I’m saying. Yeah, I’m saying I’ve never had a gun pointed at me. But you’re also saying you’ve never peed your pants? Yeah, but I’m saying that, In front of people. That’s a situation, I’ve never felt really that much in danger other than maybe like a close call in a wreck or something like that. But that feels like a different thing. What about being really drunk? Haven’t had that happen either. But that’s another way that men pee their pants. Now women pee their pants all the time. Oh? Right? Isn’t that what y’all do, ladies? All the time, yeah. But is it not, like, Christie tells me that there’s different, there’s been points in, I mean, first of all, when she’s pregnant and if she starts laughing, she’ll pee. And that’s a last excuse. Let me let be clear, not just when pregnant, but women who have been pregnant and have given birth are also more likely. Oh, is that what it is? Yeah. Yeah. My goal usually with my wife is, if I’m making her laugh and she doesn’t pee a little bit, then I haven’t succeeded. You know what I’m saying? That’s my goal always with my wife. Make her pee just a little bit. But not enough to where you can tell just enough to where you have to ask her and then she’ll have to Yeah, she has. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don’t see any like thing pooling or anything. It’s just, she has to tell me. So it’s moms that pee their pants, not women in general? Link, I don’t know if I want, It has to do with like, the muscles down there and like after, Yeah. A lot of moms or former, like, people who’ve given birth do it because the muscles down there have kind of, they’ve changed and adjusted and like, so that’s usually why. But you know, for those who haven’t given birth, it could still happen. I would suggest Kegels. Yeah. I was just gonna say. You know? You gotta work out. They’re all muscles. You gotta work it out. You gotta work those muscles. It might have also just be physics too. If you think about it. If I’ve got a faucet and I turn it on and turn it off, oh man. But if I’ve got a faucet that’s got a hose attached to it, Exactly. And I turn it off and turn it on, I can pinch that hose. We can pinch the hose. We got a hose. You can pinch the hose. Y’all don’t really have anything to pinch. So, we might be peeing ourselves all the time. No. That’s what the Kegels are for. Yeah. It’s an internal pinch. We might be peeing ourselves all the time but we’re catching it. Yeah, there you go. That’s the difference. Yeah. They make things to help women after pregnancy now though. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. In France, they give it to you for free. Hmm. What is it? What is it? It’s like a, No, it’s like, A pre-plug. It’s like a device that’s kind of like a vibrator, but also tightens everything up down there so you can regain strength. Oh, interesting. Yeah. They give it away in France. Yeah. Like you get one in the mail after you give birth, Like after you give birth. Like, I don’t know if it’s at the hospital or where, but they give them to you so you can help. Here’s your dildo Because they care. Why is it only in, they’re just so, Healthcare. Yeah. Yeah. They’re so healthcare in France. The government is involved. France is so healthcare. Well, how did we get here? Well, the reason why I wanted to talk about getting so nervous is ’cause I had a nightmare last night. Hold on, hold on. This is this, A nervous nightmare. You had a nightmare the other day because we were with somebody and you said something about a nightmare and you were like, “I don’t really have that many nightmares.” Oh, you talked about it on “Good Mythical More,” and it wasn’t really a nightmare. It was the way you described. In fact, you know what? We’ll just let it happen on “Good mythical More,” to not bring it up here again. Right. It wasn’t really a nightmare. It was just a weird dream. Well, yeah. It was about you. Right. But it wasn’t a nightmare. You described it as a nightmare though. Did I? Mm-hmm. Maybe off camera you did. Last night I was, we put dogs in their bedroom, which is like their little cushy kennel down at the foot of our bed instead of sleeping with us because they’ve been getting up so much in the night, doing stuff, drinking water, using the bathroom, insisting on needing things. Mm. So we’re like, you’re going in your bedroom, we gotta retrain you again. It happens to like, you gotta sleep through the night. Of course they never do. They’ll like bark and yip at like three o’clock in the morning and get into bed, which they did last night. Oh. because we’re so sleepy, like, one of us will get up and just say, “Okay, come get into bed.” It’s just like having a freaking newborn that’s with a lot more hair. I think that’s, Who does most of the crying when you get out? Last night, I don’t know who it was ’cause Christie got up, I was still asleep, but then the dogs getting in the bed is what woke me up. But I was cold, so I was happy ’cause both the dogs sleep around me and they kept me warm. But then I went back to sleep and I had this nightmare and I woke up like drenched in sweat. Whoa. Like, just like pouring sweat. And it was a nervous sweat this time not like a heat sweat. And here’s what happened. I was on stage at this like auditorium and it was packed. And this was not like a, this wasn’t a Rhett and Link thing. This wasn’t a professional mythical thing. This was like, It was a Link thing. It was just a Link thing. And like my family was in the audience, extended family. I’d say there was probably, there might have been 1,000 people there. Whoa. And I get up and I go to the podium thing. It’s like a music stand type thing. And so is this a speech or is it like a one man performance? It seemed like it was gonna be a speech, but right from the start, there was like technical difficulties. I think there was some sort of music involved because, I think it was a combination of everything that I could have done, including like a, there was like a DJ type equipment, but not actual DJ equipment. You were giving a TED talk on Djing. It was kind of like that, yeah. It was like gonna be musical. It was like a keyboard type apparatus. I had notes as if it were a speech. And then, I take it all up there and I can’t, I couldn’t get the technology to work. Mm. And then it wasn’t like it was just a microphone. I can’t even tell you what wasn’t working. I just knew that like, it was a bitter fail from the beginning. Like people couldn’t hear me. I couldn’t. And then I was trying to like, talk loudly and like acknowledge the fact that like, this is going to shit in a handbag kind of a thing. And I’m struggling up there in front of everybody. And then my notes start going all over the place. And then, the technology starts working. So I try to start my speech or whatever, but now my notes are all outta whack and I’m trying to find what it is I’m supposed to be talking about. And then all of a sudden Christie’s up there with me. Oh. Like, like my wife came up there to help me. Because you’re peeing yourself. I was the one, like, she was pretty composed. But then we start having an argument in front of everybody ’cause like, I’m embarrassed and my wife is helping me. And like, it’s not work, and like, we’re fighting because we can’t make anything work. And at certain points, I go down off the stage to like my loved ones. And my dad was there. I go up to my dad, Check in with him? And I’m just like apologizing and embarrassed. Right. So like, “Oh, I’m sorry, this isn’t working.” And then like, somebody else comes up there. Who was it? It was either the Green brothers, like Hank and John, or it was the Fine brothers or some, like, it was some sort of internet brother duo. Okay. And they come up there, and then they start working on it. And then they look under the podium. Are they part of the show? Or they just tech support? I think maybe they had some part in the show earlier because they looked under there and they were like, “Oh, all you gotta do is flip this switch. Oh yeah, the switch. Yeah. And then there was like this little toggle switch under there and everything worked. And it was as if they had switched the switch and didn’t switch it back. It was the on button. It was power button. Like it was their fault. But at that point there was no recovering. And I was just like in front of everybody, like, now what do I do? Just completely exposed. I mean, I might as well have been completely naked, impeding myself. Mm. That would’ve been worse probably. But that’s what it felt like. And I woke up drenched in sweat. I mean, thank God I hadn’t peed myself again. And this type of dream hasn’t happened to you before. It’s been a long time. Because this is a, I feel like this is a, It’s classic, right? It’s a type of dream. Especially when it’s like I’m up here and I don’t know what it is I’m supposed to be, I don’t know what speech I’ve prepared, but I know I need to give it. That was also part of it. Kind of like you show up for the last day, you show up for the final exam and you’ve never been to the class. Which I still have that dream. My dream is forgetting that I was taking a class. I think it’s your fault. Oh crap. I forgot I was taking that class, You know, yesterday. Oh no. You triggered this when you started going through, Yeah. All the that we needed to be doing. Yeah, because we do. That we were behind on. And like you, I’ve been doing good. Being in this world of ignorance and then you’re like saying, “Hey, here’s all the stuff that we need to be doing.” But what if we both lived in that world, what would happen? It was good, it was a good and necessary conversation. Tour would start and we would have nothing prepared. But it planted these seeds where I was just like really stressed in my dream. But it just reminded me in waking hours of first of all, how I don’t like to sleep in a pool of sweat. That’s not recommended. But also all of the nervous feelings of like being on the spot. Like having to perform, having to execute something most usually live. Yeah. And then I was like, “Well.” So it brought up all of that, all of the nerves associated with those type of experiences were kind of loaded into this anxiety associated with not live performances we have to do now. Like the tour that we’re going on, I’m very excited about, and like the structure of it is such that like, I don’t think I’m gonna be nervous going out there ’cause we’re like, it’s gonna be very loose and we’re, we’re doing “Good Mythical More” live. So it is not an anticipation of that, but it’s just kind of like a channeling of all those previous experiences of being anxious about a performance and just superimposed on our to-do list of things that we need to, mostly it’s songs. Like, we gotta write too many songs in too little amount of times. Well, so we’re gonna end up talking about all the times that we’ve been most nervous in all the situations. Yeah. That’s what I wanted. But before we get to that, yeah. I’ve been thinking, I mean, yeah, I did trigger it because I’m literally, and Jenna, you know this ’cause we’re trying to find this time, right? So we have, and I’m gonna add to it right now, right? So, we have, Don’t do it. Don’t do it. Well, lemme think of one song and I actually, I can think of a few more songs to be prepared for in a different context. But then there’s four songs that need to be written and there’s one, another song that needs to be, that has been written, but we need to figure out because we’ve got perform it next week and something that we’re doing. Oh yeah. And so, and yeah, I started thinking about that and I’ve been thinking about it a lot obviously that’s why I’ve been talking about it because we’ve been trying to find the time. And like last night I was thinking, ’cause one of the things that I’ve been doing with my anxiety is, if it’s nighttime and I’m not actually going to work on anything, right, if it’s like, okay, I’m not working anymore tonight, I’m not writing anything else, then my like anxiety, this is kind of a mantra, but it’s more of just a mindset, I trust my future self to handle this. Oh. Right. I don’t know where I got it. Some podcast. And then I’m able to be like, okay, then your present self doesn’t have to think about this for the next two hours before you go to sleep or be thinking about it as you’re falling asleep. Because our future selves will solve these problems. It may require us staying up very late one night, or, you know, we may have to do what we used to do. We try to fit everything into like, reasonable hours in our middle age. But we may have to pull the trigger on like, Hey, we’re gonna stay up until midnight tonight or beyond to like, land all these things. I know you hate the idea of that, but some of the best work happens in the, Some of the best work happens in the dark. But yeah, I have, so I’ve been thinking, Future self, right. And then the second thing I’ve been thinking is, and Jesse tells me this all the time when I start talking to her about all the things that we have to be prepared for and all the things that we are creating. She’s like, “If you didn’t have this, you would be so, like, you would be miserable.” Like, you know what I’m saying? Like, if you actually didn’t have these things to be working on, to be making, Yeah. You would create the things to be, and that’s my history is if I don’t have the things, I create things, I create responsibilities for myself, creative responsibilities for myself. So I agree with that too. It’s just, yeah. It was the first thing I thought about when I woke up today. I was like, Crunch time baby. I was like, here we are, yeah. It’s coming down to the wire, but this is when we’re at our best. We’re like living through a song biscuit right now, right, where we have to write a song in an hour and then perform it and release it on the internet. We’re kind of in the life version of that for like five or six songs. It’s a good problem to have. I trust our future selves. Yeah, but our future selves keep scheduling other stuff. No, our present selves are scheduling stuff. Our present selves keeps getting other things put into these spots that we’ve set aside for creative time. But I trust our future selves to do it. We’re going to be fine. It’s gonna be great. And I’m really glad that we’re writing this many songs. I know how I ended up stumbling upon somebody tweeted, or I don’t know where I saw it, it may have been a TikTok, but it was a link to an old, one of the song biscuits. That’s why I was thinking about it. And it was a song Biscuit for, I don’t know. We wrote a bunch of songs that are not in your mind at all right now. Definitely not in my mind until they are present. I was like, “Oh yes.” Oh yeah, because you, That’s a song that we did for this thing. Even the end of tour song, “Friends Till the End,” like that song? Yeah. Saw somebody talking about that song and I was like, Forgot about that. I would live the rest of my life without ever thinking about that song again. And then I listened to it and I was like, “That’s a good song.” Not bad. “That’s a good song.” So your past self surprised you. Well, it just hit me how many songs we’ve written. And so it gives me confidence that we can write six songs. I’m seeing a lot of chatter about the last CD that we released, the “Up To This Point” CD. Yeah. It has like the 21 songs that we had written up to that point, give or take, probably released in 2009, maybe 2010. But like people are talking about it being sold on eBay for $500. Well, that’s what they say. And then somebody like posted something where they found one for $1.99 at like a thrift store or a thrift music like Ben or something. Yeah. That’s not surprising. People are looking for these things. That’s what I see most of the time. Somebody finds an old something of ours in a place and it’s like $2 That the normal thing. The last album, proper album that we released, that we actually, Because there’s not many of those out there, that’s for sure. Yeah. That’s like the sought after collective item. And it’s a very cool. Like we went all out on the design. It has a poster on the inside. It’s got a lot of songs on it. Because people are buying CDs again, you know. It’s like now that the record thing is happening And cassettes. People are now buying cassettes, they’re buying CDs because it is the highest music fidelity is on a CD. Yeah. Though I think if you listen to “Title,” they have the higher, Yeah. Music fidelity files. They have a master quality. Like the aflac or whatever it’s called. Anyway, I wanna go back through all the times where we’ve been all nervous as all get out. Okay. But we’d have a jigsaw puzzle, you know. If you need a way to zen out, you can buy our jigsaw puzzle. It’s available at, 500 pieces, how long does that take? Depends on how smart you are. It depends on how much of a puzzler you are. Well, it’s a certain type of intelligence, spatial, visualization or something like that. I don’t know. Yeah. You can get your giat with the puzzler, whatever it’s called. You have to have patience and that particular skill. And it has to be a rainy day. If those three things line up for you, this is your part. Do you remember the puzzle song? P-U-Z-Z-L-E, Puzzle. Puzzle, Now, I don’t remember. From the Puzzle sketch? The puzzle sketch. Yeah. I don’t remember. mythical.com. “Ear Biscuits” is supported by Etsy. We’re here to tell you that there’s no reason to panic the next time you’re searching for the perfect gift. Now you can use gift mode on Etsy. Gift mode on Etsy takes the stress out of gifting. So you can find the perfect item for anyone in any occasion. It’s easy. You just tap and click gift mode on your Etsy app or at etsy.com. Then answer a few short questions about who you’re shopping for and what they like. And gift mode instantly gives you curated gift ideas based on hundreds of personas. I love this idea. Yes. 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Like there’s not really that many people there and there’s no like running. Basketball, like there’s people sitting there in the stands and then there’s a moment in which you all run out and you’re like, “Here we are. We’re gonna play basketball.” And everybody cheers. And like, you have to go and do a cool layup, you know? Oh yeah. And obviously, I had some accolades at the time, so I had a reputation that I was trying to maintain and now I wanted to win. So I remember getting nervous before those games. And the way that my nervousness would manifest is in sleepiness. Yeah. I relate to that. And I’ve told this to a number of people and there’s some people who relate. And it’s funny because I remember thinking, if you remember, I don’t know which synoptic gospel it’s in, but there’s this moment when Jesus is about to be taken by the authorities and he goes in there and all the disciples are asleep. And I think the traditional, I used to think, and the way it was taught to me is that, they were just kind of like disengaged or something, or didn’t get what the importance of what was going on. Yeah. I always interpreted it as, they were really nervous and so they were sleepy because that’s what would happen to me. All of them. Jesus was about to rouse ’em up` for a basketball game. No, that’s not what it was. So yeah, I would get really sleepy and it would take me literally the game beginning and like a couple of plays before like, snapped myself out of it. You got energetic. And also I didn’t understand nutrition and I wasn’t doing anything to be prepared. I wasn’t doing any mental preparation. Like kids that play sports today, they’ve got the nutrition, they’ve got the mental preparation, they’ve got all the stuff that you can see on Instagram and TikTok. They can be totally prepared. I would just like eat some pudding and then show up sleepy. Take three Plays before I was fully awake. I mean, I got really nervous for every sporting event not because I was competitive, but because I was so afraid of screwing up. Well, I think that that’s why most people get nervous before sporting. That’s why I was nervous. I didn’t want to screw up, But it wasn’t about the crowd watching. It was more like, I don’t wanna fail the team I think. Really? Well, yeah. Yeah. I didn’t wanna fail anybody. Well, and I never thought about the fact that like basketball, there was a crowd that was very close and there were yelling at you and you could hear ’em. When you were, At a soccer game, people aren’t even watching. They’re not really watching and they’re sparse and it’s in a football stadium and they’re really far away and yeah, and it’s not that packed. I say a soccer game at Harnett Central High School, Yeah, my soccer games. I don’t, obviously, people watch the football and people really care about it. Sorry to offend you, I’m just saying in our context, no one was watching. They came to these games as like a social event. Would you hear people yelling at you when you were free throwing? I wasn’t nervous at all once the game got going. I was nervous throughout every single moment of gameplay and everything I ever did. And this is ’cause I was never good enough to enjoy it. I mean, this is a consistent thing throughout all of these things is that, my nervousness always proceeds the event and then which the event starts, it goes away completely. So like even in the midst of, oh gosh, we’re down by one and I just got fouled, there’s two seconds left, I need to make both of these free throws for us to win. I really, really wanted to make the free throws. And I’m not saying my heart rate didn’t increase, but it wasn’t nervousness in the same way that I had before the game. It was more like intensity in the moment. But it was more like, yes, I’m supposed to be here. But before the game I was like, man, I don’t know if I can do this. I feel like I need to take a nap. A little nappy. I remember in terms of performances with the two of us, I think back in the campus crusade days, whenever we were hosting, MCing, the annual Christmas conference, you get, you know, when we moved to, it was like, it wasn’t just NC State, it was like all schools from the surrounding states. There was what, 1,800 people there? 2,000? Yeah. I wanna say 3,000, but I don’t think it was that many. I doubt it. That’s still a lot of people. It felt big and it was the one time a year that we would do something that big and we would, There’s a lot of buildup to it. Dedicate preparation for at least six months. Usually it would be on in the back of our minds and then move to the front like six months. The whole year was in the back of our minds. So then that first night we made a big deal about, okay, this is, we’ll have some fun with you coming out. Or eventually when both of us came out to like host the event, we would have a video and then we’d come out, sometimes we would come out. One year we came out and did a dance routine. Yeah, in yellow suits. It was awesome. That was a week year. It was a week year. But we were backstage for probably two hours beforehand. Just like sitting back there pacing and just waiting to go out there, like a whole year’s worth of prep and build up to this moment that nobody thought about it the way that we did. No. So it wasn’t like the Super Bowl or even like a big game of any sort. It was our Super Bowl or even a performance. It wasn’t like I’m going to this thing and I can’t, some people might have been like, I can’t wait to see what Rhett and Link are gonna do. It’s always amusing and it’s always fun. But it wasn’t the point of the event. The point of the event was everything else just, we were the MCs that were just introducing it, but we turned it into this. Well, we went way overboard. 10 minute opening performance. Totally self-indulgent. But it was fun. It was fun. It was very self indulgence. It was fun for the audience. And then there was some people who were like, “Guys, too much.” If you didn’t what it was gonna happen, you were like, “I’m going to this Christian conference. There’s these guys up there in these big yellow suits dancing to Petey Pablo. Yeah. Well- What is happening? Praise Jesus. You know, it’s like, what is happening? How did this happen? I mean, we were gonna- What went wrong? We were good at giving them, a what’s happening kind of feel and you know, most people like a good surprise, a pleasant comedic surprise. No, but I was very, very nervous. But we built it up so much. I mean, that’s when it would be like pee every 10 minutes for the two hours leading up to it. And you’d go into the bathroom and it would just be like, this little trickle. Yeah. I mean, you just gotta, my bowels get much more effective than yours. I have surprisingly much more sensitive bowels than you maybe ’cause I eat so much. But like, that’s my go-to, is just full evacuation. Like on a day, on a Christmas conference day. And that first thing, the first night, it was a night, right. So the opening day you would come and you would register and then we would go that night. So that day I had all day to prepare and all day to prepare means taking five dookies. I mean, I was completely cleaned out by the time. I mean, we did all right. We did all right when we went out there. It was fine. But it all comes to a head though. There were like five days and there was a morning meeting and a night meeting. And we’d usually do, give or take, something every morning, every night. So then by the third day it was like, well, I’m not nervous every single time I’m going up there to the same. A little bit nervous. A little bit nervous. But it was nice to then have these other days to like, get in a comfort zone. But here’s all also, you didn’t have to do anything serious. Yeah. I had to do the serious stuff. You had to introduce speakers. I had to introduce the speakers. I had to transition to worship. I don’t even really wanna talk about this. I’m not gonna give the details ’cause it’s too much of a downer. But I had to deliver the most sobering news that I’ve ever delivered and never heard of about something that happened to someone’s family if you recall that, that year. I don’t remember what happened, but I do remember it being. There was just something that happened to somebody’s family who was there. And it was just like the worst possible thing that you can imagine. And I like the guy that had been in the yellow suit dancing to Petey Pablo has to deliver the, you know, I had to deliver. I was nervous as hell before having to talk about that stuff. They didn’t have to get you to do that. Yeah, they did. I was the MC. Yeah, but an adult could have done it. I was an adult. Not really though. But I had to do serious thing. I don’t think you’d call yourself an adult. And then like when, like when the speaker, when the pastor was done or whoever had been doing some really emotional thing, I had to get up there and be like, say something serious. You had to like, take notes on the talk and then like, reiterate a point or two that made it seem like, You had it. You just got out there when we had fun. I had to do all the hard things, man. Hey, I did have to sing at a funeral. That was hard. Oh, I did that with you once. You had to do another one. You didn’t sing with me at a funeral. It was a wedding. I was sing with you at Ben’s funeral. Oh, well yeah. That’s different. I mean like, well yeah, we did that. That was a graveside thing. I’m talking to like hundreds of people in a church, I’m on stage, I had to do that. Well, after that phase because, I was nervous. We MCed Christmas Conference for 10 years I think. And well after we were off staff and even well into like secretly doubting the entire enterprise, I’m still Mcing. But the next sort of series of events because once we transitioned to making videos, the nervousness is goes away. There is no moment of performance. There’s no, the curtain opens. It’s just, you’re just making this thing and then you’re just sitting there waiting for comments and likes and there’s no nervousness involved, right. There’s, I mean, you’re a little bit maybe anxious about the response that you’re gonna get but it’s a total, your heart rate never increases. So the next thing I remember, and I’m sure there was some events that we did, like we MCed some weird stuff. Like we MCed that ad agency thing. The very first ever like digital upfronts in New York. And then we like MCed the creative, I thought it was the creative arts Emmys way back in the day, when we went last year or this year, it was much bigger than it was when we did it. It may have been like a technical thing. I don’t know what it was. But little weird events like that that, I would get nervous before. But the most nervous, like where I feel like I can’t be any more nervous and I’m about to explode is right before we come out on a late night appearance. Not now, but back in the day. And specifically the Conan. Oh, Conan. Yeah. Because Conan was before Lopez, wasn’t he? Yes. Because Conan was 2011. I don’t remember beforehand. I remember talking to Conan during the commercial break and he was really nice. And we were talking about local commercials that we were making ’cause that’s what we were talking about. But I don’t remember beforehand, like for the “Tonight Show,” first time we were on the “Tonight Show,” that’s really nerve-wracking because you’re in this iconic building, 30 Rock. You’re like walking around and you’re seeing famous people, other guests. You’re meeting Jimmy in person for the first time backstage that I think that was the time, I think it was the second time that we brought all of our kids not the first time ’cause I think we knew we’d be too nervous to have people there with us, like Christie and Jesse or the kids or something. We knew that. And like, it was better to be nervous, just me and you and our people instead of like having like guests that we needed to entertain. But they file you from your, you know, people keep coming into your dressing room. There’s like the producer and he talks or she talks you through stuff. And then the mic, the sound guy comes in and puts a mic on you and then you have to go into makeup and hair. And they were always complimentary. “Oh, we don’t need to do anything in your hair.” I’m like, oh, that makes sense. the makeup chair is always the place where I’d let off some steam like just, In what way? Hitting it off with the makeup and hair people. Huh. And they were always so nice. So that would be a little respite. And then I would leave there and come back out and like, we would just be waiting for the director with the microphone thing. The long-haired guy. The headset. He’s been there since the very first time we ever went. Yeah, just to come in. He’s like, “All right, fellas.” He takes you down this hallway. You go into this very dark space and then you think this is behind the curtain, right? So if you look on the “Tonight Show,” there’s the curtain. And you think you need to pee right then. It’s like, oh shit. Man, do I need to pee right now? And behind the curtain, this is what they have. They have a, a mirror with very low lighting so as not to like spill out, Makeup lighting. But it’s basically like your last looks, last chance to look at yourself. And the makeup, sometimes there’ll be somebody there like looking at you and making sure that you’re okay. And then it’s very small. It’s smaller than this room for sure. And then he like sits you right there and there’s the curtain, and then The Roots start playing. You mean stand you right there? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You’re standing. Like the curtain, you’re like noses against the curtain basically. Yeah, and when they’re back from commercial and The Roots start playing even this, I mean, we’ve done it how many times? 10. 10. Every time that happens, I get, my heart rate really starts increasing right at that moment ’cause it’s just like, the curtain’s about to open. But the first time, Woo. I mean, that’s quite a buildup. ’cause you’re standing back there. If it’s a minute, it feels like five minutes. If it’s two, it feels like 10, you know. The nervousness gets so intense sometimes. Who’s going out first? You going out first? Am I going?? Okay, you’re going out first. You standing in front of the curtain and then like your nose is against the curtain and my nose is against your back. It’s a very familiar feeling. The nervousness gets as not now, but then as intense as I can imagine nervousness being to the point where, if I was capable of fainting from nervousness, I would. Like, that’s how like, your heart’s going and it’s, Oh yeah. And I’m like talking myself out of it. But you can feel, Why do I care this much? I know what it feels like for your heart to jump outta your chest. Like that’s, you know, you can look down. I’m getting nervous thinking about it right now. You can look down and you can see your heart beating through your shirt and my hands are shaking. And then you start thinking like, well, how am I gonna hold my hands so that people can’t see that they’re shaking so much? I can’t gesture. Hey, Jimmy. I’m gonna look like I’m doing some sort of a, Jazz hands. A jazz hands, you know. I’m gonna sit on my hands when I go out there. Oh crap, I haven’t thought about how I’m gonna sit. Am I gonna, am I gonna spread legged? As soon as the curtain opens, the nervousness vanishes. It’s just weird. And it’s like, you sit down on the couch and I’m like, okay, This is weird. No, no, the nervousness did not go away the first time. ’cause then you’re like, oh, this is how close I am to Jimmy. This is him talking to you. What is he saying? That’s a different sensation. That’s a different sensation. There’s Rhett over there. That’s not nervousness. That’s like deer in headlights. Which I definitely, if I watch some of those early appearances, I’m like, I wasn’t comfortable. I wasn’t nervous. I wasn’t comfortable because I hadn’t figured out exactly, How to hold yourself. What I’m supposed, who I’m supposed to be in that situation. And that sounds weird to say, but like we had some like little bits that we had figured out, you know? And I remember, you know, and my sort of demeanor has changed over the years. Like, I was much more like, didn’t smile a lot and was kind of look like I was pissed a lot like in our early stuff. And you know, my personality has changed a little bit, but also comedy has changed. Comedy has softened in some ways, right. And I’ve kind of softened with it. And so like if you watch those early appearances, I don’t even smile the whole time. Yeah. So you get this impression that, boy, he’s really uncomfortable. And I was, I was uncomfortable, but I wasn’t nervous. I was just trying to figure out, how is this going? How is this thing that we’re doing? We’re trying to be funny. We’re telling this story. Yeah. There’s the stakes of, I’m here to make a good impression and to draw people into our world, you know. And there’s an audience and it’s live and you can’t take it again. And there’s a lot of pressure there. But there’s also stimuli coming from everywhere. You don’t know what to focus on the first time you’re doing something. And when it’s high pressure and there’s so many other things, it can be overload, which can turn into the deer and headlights thing, or maybe the pee in your pants type thing. You can become catatonic or faint. And once you go on a few times you’re like, oh, I know what it feels like to sit here and talk to the host. I know what it feels like to look over there and see all the cameras moving around and oh, there’s a guy with cue cards and there’s somebody with a, there’s a screen. I can see myself on the screen and all the audiences out there and I can connect with the audience members, you know. All of these things are, your brain is processing and you learn how to focus and how to tune certain things out. But you really, you can only prepare so much. You have to go through it. So it took like four or five times before I really felt like I’ve done this. I know what it’s like and I know where I’m gonna put my energy, you know. And that brings the nerves down once I’m through the curtain. But yeah, that like buildup behind the curtain is, now, it’s now it’s a thrill to have that type of nervousness. because I have confidence, you know. And we don’t get a lot of opportunities for that. When you have to, I mean, I was really nervous when, you know, you’re exposed giving a speech like the graduation, the commencement addresses. Like, I was really nervous about that because for all the reasons I just gave and I was alone, like a lot of this, we have each other that’s like, if you stumble over your words or you go catatonic for a second, the other guy knows and can pick up what you’re throwing down or what you’re dropping. Yeah, it’s a different vibe. But there’s other types of, there’s places where we get nervous that, Well, to me it’s the, okay, I’ll use this as a way to transition into another setting because one of the things that happens with any thing, like the “Tonight Show,” especially in the early days, is the moment that it’s on the calendar, it registers, it locks itself into your brain, and it becomes a source of anxiety, right. And It’s a little bit, it’s subtle. Then the week arrives, the week that you’re gonna leave, you’re gonna fly to New York and you’re gonna do the thing. And then it becomes this thing that, it’s one of the first five things that you think about when you wake up that week, right. And it begins to build. That’s how it happens with me at least. And the other thing that I’ve noticed that this happens with is, before a difficult meeting. Yes. Right? So not only have we had the opportunity to be creators for a long time, but with that, we’ve run this company for a really long time, right. And so for all kinds of different various reasons, there’s sometimes you, there’s different reasons that you have to have a difficult meeting. Yeah. I would say there’s pitch meetings, which are kind of a performance. And if you really want to sell something to somebody, which at certain points we really wanted to sell something to somebody, and you go into the room with like network executives, that’s nerve-wracking. But to go into a meeting where you have to reprimand, give tough feedback or even let somebody go woo, that’s bad. That is tough. Yeah, when we have to like do the boss thing, when you have to be bosses. Yep. And you’re like, “Oh, we just wanna be cool guys. We just wanna be your friend,” you know. And we are hopefully your friend. But yeah, there’s sometimes you have to have difficult meetings. And I’m a people pleaser and I’m conflict avoidant, so. And I’m not saying you like conflict, but you have a different relationship with it than I do. Well, tell me yours, I’ll tell you mine. And so this for me is like, the way that I try to calm myself is to be prepared. Right. Yeah. I wanna know what I’m going to communicate. I want to anticipate a series, like a decision tree of potential responses, Like a flow chart That then I will respond in the following way. Because I’m not like, I’m a be prepared. I don’t like to be like, I’ll just figure it out in the moment. Like that’s just not how my personality works. My personality is like, if I say this, they could respond in these three ways. And then I need to have these three responses prepared for these three different things. And that’s a lot to keep up with. And I’m not very good at keeping up with it. But that’s how I calm myself is I’m like, okay, you know what you’re saying, you know how this is starting, you’re saying this and then Link is saying this and it’s gonna be okay. Yeah. And it doesn’t necessarily work. I’m just saying that’s how I try to prepare myself. For me, I mean, it is important to know like how to kick it off. Like you gotta have a strong starting point and then you gotta know what your objective is, like your landing. This is something that you learn back in the old MC days. It’s like you gotta, you focus on the takeoff and the landing and then everything in the middle, you just kinda like, just do your thing. But you gotta know how you’re wrapping it up and how to start it. And so I approach it that way. So it’s less of a decision tree ’cause I can’t keep all that straight in my mind. The other thing I think about is what I don’t want to say. Like the no say these things list. And if I have to deliver a tough feedback or a tough decision, it’s like, okay, don’t, like if somebody, if it makes somebody upset, like, you have to stay strong in this way. You can’t just start, you can’t be bowled over or like change the whole decision because things got emotional, you know? So I try to be prepared in that way. But thinking about all those scenarios makes me more nervous, you know? And we’ve had meetings where, we haven’t had a lot, but I mean, we’ve had a meeting where we’ve been yelled at, that we were the ones, I mean, we were delivering the message but the way that it was received was not, it was not received well. So there’s, I mean, we’ve been yelled at, I mean there’s been colorful language thrown at us. There’s been, I mean it hasn’t, that’s very rare. It’s very rare but it has happened. Honestly, there’s a lot of, it’s very common for there to be emotions and tears, like, for there to be crying. Oh yeah. It’s just, it’s, oh man. And so once you experience that, you are afraid that that might happen. And then when it starts to happen, and I’m not saying in any one meeting, but the fact that now you know, that it is very much on the table that this can happen, oh my gosh. They’re like, who wants to sign up to make people cry? Like, it’s horrible. I hate it. It’s the worst part of being a boss. And it’s common. And difficult conversations, or if you’re gonna actually be, if you’re actually going to be engaged, yeah. Right. It’s a very typical part of it. Because you actually are not doing, like we want to be like, we’re these good Southern boys? We’re both people pleasers in some ways. Like we don’t like to cause, you like to stir up socially, but mostly for your entertainment purposes not like to be mean, and so, Yeah, you’re not reveling a tough conversation, But like, when you don’t, like, you really don’t wanna have difficult conversations. You wish everything was just perfect and everybody was just doing exactly what they needed to do and it was a big happy family. But you actually are doing a disservice to people when you don’t give feedback or you don’t make strong decisions about things. But everyone has their POV, right? Like we are obviously coming from the POV of the people who run an organization, but every individual lives in their world from their perspective and their point of view is valid, but it may be contradictory, we may not be see eye to eye. Right. And when those things happen, you’re just like, ah, man, this really sucks. And there’s so much nerves. I mean, it’s like the moment you’re calling the meeting, you know, it’s like, for you, for us it’s this, oh, we gotta do this. And then for them, if it’s a tough meeting, it’s like, oh shit, what’s this meeting actually about? You know, you try to give them an idea. But then it’s like, in some ways it’s more nerve-wracking to be on the receiving end of it. Because like what’s coming. You don’t know. Of course, it’s, You know? Of course. It’s unknown. Yeah. I’m not saying That’s horrible. I’m not saying we’ve got it more difficult than the person receiving the bad news. But it does make us very, very nervous. And then when everybody’s nervous, that’s just, And then there’s this dynamic, Awkward. There’s a dynamic, oh, it’s funny ’cause I was talking to a band recently, these two people that were in a band and that were fans and like, they were fans who had like watched the show a lot. And I don’t know how this particular subject came up, but they were asking about like, you’ve been doing this for so long, how do you do this show and all the other stuff that you do where the goal is to entertain and to make people laugh when I know that you must like, your emotional life isn’t just always great. Right? And so I was like, Well, I appreciate that question. Link and I have become master compartmentalizes, right? Right. And I think that this is a perfect example of like, let’s just say it’s a day we’re shooting multiple episodes of “Good Mythical More,” but yet right in the middle of that schedule, there is what we’ll just call a difficult meeting, right. So I can’t be thinking about that when I’m trying to make you laugh or make the crew laugh and make the people watch, laugh. Right. And then let’s say it goes real bad, let’s say it goes south and it’s emotional or whatever, still, when Jenna walks into the room and says, “We’re back at two o’clock” or whatever it is, I can’t be like, “Hey, give me a second.” We are magically funny. Well, it ain’t that easy. It’s like, no turn. Like, turn that off. Turn the other version of yourself on and go and do the show and have a great time. And actually, it ends up being a little bit of a reprieve from that because, you know, there are like people who would be like, “Guys, we want you to,” “Why can’t you just be yourself and like, don’t put your-” Well, you wouldn’t have the what you have. Like, you wouldn’t have all the content that you have if we weren’t able to do that. And listen, I totally respect most people that I know that I’ve known as creators, they’re having a bad day, they don’t make content. They’re having a difficult day, they don’t make content. And that’s fine. And I respect that. We just build a system where we don’t have, we don’t allow ourselves to do that. Yeah. And we don’t plan on changing it ’cause we’ve actually gotten pretty good at like psychic ourselves out. But it’s just, you know, a little insight into the day of these dudes that you watch eating testicles and eating blue foods and commenting on really ridiculous things that are then like having to do adult things in between. It’s not just in, I mean, there’s tough meetings with like, business partners. It’s not just employees. Oh yeah, yeah. I mean we, you know, we’ve had some really difficult like had to be face to face with business partners that you’re like hashing out, Third parties. A contract disagreement. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And thankfully we’ve got a really great team that handles so much of this stuff. Like if you look at Mythical and you think about, if you write all difficult conversations and difficult meetings and you throw ’em into a hat, Right? The number that we actually have to be personally involved in is a very small minority at this point because we have an incredible team that handles so many things. It’s also why we’re able to do all the stuff that we’re able to do. But it’s just the nature of the beast that still, that number of difficult things, it still finds its way into our schedule on a regular basis. I mean, there were points, it doesn’t really happen anymore, but like when we started having our company wide meetings where you and I would just kind of have the whole company in a room and we would like talk about things. Like, when we first started doing that, that made me really nervous ’cause it’s like this weird size group of people that are all looking at you to tell them something that is very pertinent to their work life. You know, it’s a different type of pressure and expectation that was like, well, I actually got really worked up the first few times. Yeah, you know, that size group is my kryptonite in a lot of ways. Right, when you’re talking like, if it’s a small room, like a, if there’s 30 people in the room, Or less. Or less. Like 20. Like 15. Oh, that’s a tough room for me because I get, Yeah. When it gets to be now where it’s like, if the room is packed, I’m used to it now it’s different. But I think of it a little different. To me, like my level of preparation is how I combat it. Again, it’s just like, if I’m like, oh, I know what I’m gonna say, then I’m not nervous at all. But if it’s one of those things that, I’ve talked about this before with, you know, the classic, let’s go around and say what we’re thankful for. I mean, not necessarily like with my family, but like I’ve been to a couple of places. Like I did a Thanksgiving one time with some friends and then a bunch of people I didn’t know. And there was like that moment, and I’m like, oh, okay, well I want it to be heartfelt, but I want it to be a little funny. You know, you start thinking about it and then you’re thinking about what you’re gonna say. You’re not listening to what everyone else is saying. I just really do not like that environment. Yeah. I mean, it reminds me of like breaking up with my girl, talking to girls. Just talking to girls. Talking to girls as like a middle schooler and high schooler. Like I’m telling Lando now, you know, he’s in eighth grade. I’m like, “Dude, when I was your age I was like,” the only reason I dated girls was because I felt like I ought to. And it wasn’t that I wasn’t even that interested. Like I was kind of a late bloomer in terms of interest. So I did it out of social obligation just to fit in. And that is a recipe for like anxiety. I got so nervous when I tried to conduct myself in relationships with girls, you know. I have to call. I’m supposed to call her on the phone? Oh God. Oh God. I wish I could have bled off some of my, Yeah. My desire and given it to you. I would’ve simplified my middle school experience, but I was still very nervous. Well, you know, what my nervousness manifested in is that moment when you think you want to kiss somebody. Oh yeah. And I remember, Well, think about that moment but it’s not you wanting to kiss somebody. It’s everybody else wanting you to kiss her. And they’re watching at the seventh grade party at the Lillington. I wasn’t thinking about everybody else. Community building. Everyone else was completely even the even blacked out. And Michael is sitting there timing you. So anyway, go ahead. In sixth grade there was the dance, and this is when I had started going with, is what we called it, going with Leslie. Yep. And I had never kissed anybody and I hadn’t practiced on my bed post like you’d had. Shouldn’t have done it. I’d done a lot in dreams. I’d done quite a lot in dreams for many years. I felt somewhat prepared. But we were sitting there at the dance and next to us was my future girlfriend and her boyfriend at the time. And I had my arm around her, my girlfriend and I had, and we were holding hands like cross hatch, hand holding and like this. And that’s kind of a dumb way to interact with somebody if you think about it. But like, You’re very secure. Like you could have been on a rollercoaster. She couldn’t get up, I’ll tell you that much. But I don’t think she wanted to. You’re like a human paperweight. And I’m just sitting there and we’re kind of in the dark a little bit. And I definitely think that like I could kiss her, like I can kiss her, I should kiss her, I’m gonna kiss her. And then in my mind it would be like, like my body wanted to, but then my mind just kept saying, no and wouldn’t let me do it. And right during the moment where I really thought that I was working up the gumption, like my dad shows up at the dance to pick me up. You turn your head quickly to make out and you see your dad’s face. And that was my only opportunity. ’cause she dumped me when school ended, which was like a week later. Did you ever, I mean, breaking up with girls was very nerve-wracking too. Well, that’s because you had to do the breaking up. I actually didn’t. I got dumped a lot ’cause I was too nervous to conduct the relationship. Actually, let me see. I got dumped. First time I got dumped, I did the dumping, the second time I did the dumping, the third time I did the dumping, the fourth, okay, I did end up doing some dumping. I didn’t do the dumping. Yeah. I don’t remember. I can’t honestly remember, I got letters, But I’m sure, you got letters? Yeah. Yeah. You got letters? Well, you remember when Jana dumped me? It was the letter that I kept in my soccer bag for all those years. And I found it when we moved out here. I still had it. I don’t have it anymore. But I read it on some show that we did. She saw me as more of a friend. You know what that means? I was afraid to kiss her. Yeah. I mean, still to this day, still to this day, you really screwed that up. I mean, I was giving you as good, I was giving you, You did not gimme any advice. I gave you all the encouragement. You modeled. You modeled, No, and I gave you, The horn dog way, but I mean, I gave you a lot of encouragement. The horn dog way by middle school grabbed my gloves. I was just like, “Dude, she’s inviting you out. She’s actually need to ride the four wheeler?” Yes. She’s asking you to ride the four wheeler? Yeah. I know, dude. I just couldn’t do it. Yeah, I’m sure I got, I wanted to, I’m sure I got nervous before those difficult conversations. But I think if you’re not get, if you’re not signing yourself up for something that makes you nervous, maybe you should. That’s the thing that we started to discuss was that like, you know, when we were going on Fallon or going like doing something like, it’s like, “You know, we just have this knack of continuing to put ourselves in a position,” this is what we would say to each other, “where we feel this way.” You gotta throw yourself in the deep end a little bit. Discomfort causes growth. We have grown as a result of it. You know, to like, it’s not just about commanding a room or an audience, but it’s about being able to hold yourself with poise in an environment of stress because it’s gonna happen. And if you can put yourself in a fun situation that you’re like, man, I’m so mad at myself that I’m doing this, but when it’s over, I’m glad that I did it, it’s a reward and it and pushes you on. And it’s the thing that memories are made of too. It’s the thing that memories are made of. But it’s the thing your life is made of, you know. Shepherd plays some music and he’s been in a couple of bands and, Why did you use that voice when you say, been in a couple of bands. This is a voice I use when I talk about him, so he won’t find out. Figured, he just hears the audio. No, I’m just kidding. And it took them a to play their first show. And I would always ask, I would be like, “You know, you guys are practicing, have you got a show?” And he would be like, “No, no.” And I would, and I was just, I was like, “Hey man, just set a date for a show.” Set a date. Just set a date. Yeah. Because you will get ready for it. Like, that’s when it will come together. Like, when you put yourself in a situation where you have to show up, you gotta be able to do this. And then they had, you know, they had their first show and it was like, he’s never gonna forget it. He’s never gonna forget that. And he got like this experience being like, oh yeah. Like, not only is it intensely rewarding to do something like that, but it really is the only, it’s the only way to get the way my mind works, it’s the only way to get properly motivated to do something is to not make it into a performance necessarily, but just to like create an environment where there might be some nervousness, Right. We always sign ourselves up for things like to be in front of an audience and we would always sign ourselves up out of excitement and then it would dawn on us, oh, I’m nervous about this. You know, it was, we were driven and then we, you know, you just kept… And so no matter where we are in our career, we’re still driven to say yes to opportunities that then we find ourselves like I didn’t think about how nervous I was gonna be. If I did, I might talk myself out of it, you know. But like tapping into that excitement and saying yes, then it has kind of built the ability to do things that we’re still getting nervous, but they’re different and bigger or stranger opportunities. Whether it’s, you know, laying somebody off, renegotiating a contract or, you know, performing to people who don’t know you or do know you or whatever. Yeah, I think it’s about, Was this motivational? Is everybody listening to sweat? I mean, I think if there is some sort of lesson in it, I do think it’s that, and this isn’t implied to everybody, I’m sure, but if you’re like us, then introducing some stakes, you know, can be, I don’t know, I just think it makes life more interesting. If you’re constantly avoiding situations where there’s stakes because it’s uncomfortable, Right. I don’t know like, I think you’re gonna miss out on a lot of opportunities and a lot of growth. Yeah. There’s gotta be, Say yes to that PowerPoint presentation. There’s gotta be some uncomfortable situations. And I just think that’s what life’s made out. You have a wreck? A series of uncomfortable situations? Speaking of an uncomfortable situation, yes, my wreck, I don’t know why I started listening to this book, “The Year of Magical Thinking” by Joan Didian who, Joan Didian is like a famous author that I had never read who was married to another famous author who I had never read. But she’s also known for this memoir specifically about the death of her husband. So it’s kind of, it’s a little bit of a downer in some ways in that it’s, you know, it’s a memoir, it’s a grief memoir. But her like, her insights into things and the way she thinks about things is fascinating. She’s a great writer and it’s like a four and a half hour listen, so you could, It’s about her husband dying. Okay. Yeah. So it’s a, you know, classic grief memoir. I did not know that was a genre. Well, you know, like a, you know, How did you sign up for this? Oh, it was, so I’ve noticed this that, did you just notice like outta nowhere, there were all of a sudden, audio books on Spotify, Yeah. That are like included with your membership? Yeah. And it popped up and I was like, “Oh, I’ve heard about this. Oh, it’s short. I need something to listen to.” And I just started listening to it. And since then I’ve kind of like looked into her life. She was really interesting person. That was almost like a style icon in a lot of ways because of just like the time that she came up. Joan Didian. Yeah. So anyway, I recommend it. What’s it called? “The Year of Magical Thinking.” “The Year of Magical Thinking.” Huh? All right. #EarBiscuits. Let us know. Call us and leave a voicemail. 1-888-EARPOD1. Next week, we’re back. Hey, Rhett and Link. Just wanted to say I’m a huge fan and I hope y’all never stop making these podcasts. They keep me entertained while I’m at work, while I’m at school, while I’m just chilling, while I’m sleeping, anything. 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